Producing Trance Without A DAW (Hardware Sequencing)
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2014
- This video can be seen as my answer to the best operating system to produce music with: none - without a computer. Of course this isn't a serious way to produce music but the idea is actually pretty nice. For that you might need a sequencer with several MIDI outputs, e.g. the Yamaha QY700.
What I'm doing here is basically the same thing I do in software. But in software I have a larger mixer. And a better timing. And a better editing. That is why this track is rather unspectacular.
I hope you can understand my gibberish. There's lot of talking and few music, but I hope you are patient enough to listen. :D
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USED GEAR:
Sequencer:
Yamaha QY100
Tone Generators:
Yamaha QY100
Yamaha S80
Yamaha AN1x
Korg X5D
Quasimidi Sirius
Roland V-Synth XT
Waldorf Rocket (click impulse for compressor)
Audio gear:
Yamaha MG12/4 mixer
Alesis 3630 Compressor
MOTU Ultralite Mk 3 Audio interface
ESI M8U XL MIDI Interface
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![[Tutorial] Creating A Pattern on the Yamaha QY100 / QY70](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZGJa92_2yec/mqdefault.jpg)
I am hardware only, mainly because I just like hitting an ON switch and go. No worry about updates and whatever. Just turn on and start making music. QY700 is wonderful.
and also be limited for machines is interesting for pushing up the imagination.
Hey Jaimie, been watching all your videos since I bought a qy100 a few weeks ago, really helpful. Thank you very much!
Truly beautiful melody
I had a QY70 back in the day! I always loved the Yamaha sound engine!
This is so great! I wish you could do more this kind of tutorials.
I'll take your word for it when it comes to the timing issues. Sounds great to me!
This is how we did things in the early 90's. I had simple but workable setup: Roland JW50 workstation with 16 channel sequencer controlling a Roland JV1080,, JD990, JV880, some half rack Kawai sound module, Ensoniq Mirage sampler, Mackie 1602 mixer with an Alesis 3630 and Alesis Midiverb 4 efx unit. Couldn't record vocals just make beats. So I built a Pentium 200mhz 256mb ram PC Delta 66 Omni break out box for Cubase 3.5 vst Haha. Those were the days.
That reverse cymbal intro... feels like we're about to learn an Unsolved Mystery...
I can never get bored listening to this Jay B dude. I put this on loop as an mp3 for nighttime cruises on the way back from work. Would be great to have it in Midi format or QYP for QY100? Love you channel!!!
Really nice sounds and a great concept!!
Oh, the nostalgia hits me hard! The AN1x was a wonder, and I wanted the X5D so much (actually, I still do) but the other half of the band ended up adding the amazing Roland XP-30 instead. As a producer who never used a hardware sequencer (I started with FT2 in the 90's) I am amazed by the result - it was a video well worth watching from start to end.
Dayum, it sure is an awesome idea. I'd love to hear a complete track with those melodies... right now :D
You can counteract the timing issues by diffusing the timing of the busy parts with a few midi ticks on different tracks, this wont be noticeable for our ears, but will free up bandwidth on the (serial) midi signal. Great stuff, man!!!!
Excellent production man
Wooow! I am impressed... Beautifull muse! Bravissimo!
brilliant!
Great job dude.
could you plz explain the compressor a bit ? how does it modify the overall sound & how do you set up your alesis, knobs, etc ?
Cool video, cool music, cool website. Thumbs up!
hollo there this is heywood in new zealand i am looking for the sequecer plus gold program we have had it running on vocal eyes for the blind which was compateble in dos progarm but it has been years and the program has become corupt and as time has moved on for us i am looking to fins out is there a program sequencer plus gold that can perfor in a windows base program for the blind if anyone can assit us please?i would leave my email address to how and where can i purchase the program please i do know its a dos base program as well anyway thanks for listening to our call?help? mymymyassis99@gmail.com heywood ahmu from new zealand?..bye
this is epic!
Very interesting concept ! I like my ATARI.....
hay, Jay, foremost just want to say the track content is very impressive on its own. So where can I get the full track. Really liked it.
How are you getting to the menu where you can turn off the internal piano parts. When I press the buttons you did my parts and when're to send them don't show up? A bunch of others menus do.
What would you consider a viable self-contain portable and non portable sequencer (like the QY100) for 2018 which would replace the QY100? I do like the QY series as the strings are superb.
Can you switch tracks on and off whilst it's running?
Ahhh......you rock....thank you....im addicted to hardware sequencers too. I love the beatstep pro for quick fun things but these old school ones are amazing....actually have the qy300 coming today. Thanks again.
+chaka gone Beatstep etc are great things to use but when it comes to making a full track as opposed to a Jam then gotta be a DAW really ( or a DAT machine, 2 inch multitrack tape and n SSL desk , God I could never go back to that now lol )
+Whores of Babylon (Official) that is where I am stuck currently because I really want to forgo the computer. Currently I am using Ableton for my final version, but I really want to learn how to use my qy100 or 300 to make my final songs, I also have Reason 8….I don't know the options for me are so many…….I need to commit to one.
Jay, is the ESI M8U better than Motu Midi Express XT?
Have you published the song anywhere? It's very catchy! o:
Iv been using a Yamaha DJx a multi track recorder and this old music program for the Xbox with a sampler drum machine for loops and piano roll ..and can make some great stuff...iv always been good with my deep emotional melodys so that helps
Nice job man, pretty cool to rewind to back in the day, but the real question is how much longer it takes to program MIDI and the whole work flow efficiency on hardware rather than inside a DAW 🤔😨🤕
Question what controller for the QY 💯 would you recommend . Plus I'm having a hard time finding a cable that comes with the QY 💯 To gain ability to a computer . The description of Also. Thank You.
Hey there, let me ask you. I have a QY100 and the physical volume button on the left seems so powerful, I mean, when I insert an Earphone and turn up the volume after the middle, and starts to play a pattern, the sounds seems to be distorting because it is "too loud". I see on your video the you rise the volume to the maximum and it doesn't distort the sound. I wonder if you using a earphone and put the volume on maximum or after the middle, you hear a distorted sound? Thanks.
+iLucato Compartilhando Conhecimento Asking this once would have been enough. I do get e-mails about comments....
I rarely use earphones on my QY and usually I keep it at middle volume then because otherwise it would burst my ear drums. But I never heard any distortion. Does this happen too when you use something else on the QY's output?
As someone with absolutely no audio mixing background, all I see is a whole lot of buttons and LEDs, which makes my electrically oriented mind happy. For what the QY100 seems to be controlling, it sure is smaller than I'd expect. But how do you compensate for the MIDI timing limitations? Demo sounds wonderful, too.
Hi, I just want to know please, I have Yamaha QY 70 can I copy any ready rhythm in. like Arabic pattern , rhythm...thanks...
Insta-like when the song started :)
It's always fun to take something you're good with and see how basic the tools are that you can cope with :D
I used to have the same Alesis 3630 compressor back in the 90s. Good choice, easy to use and a fairly neutral sound. For something less clinical sounding a dbx rack compressor is nice to have.
I have a dbx 266xl (the cheap one) it's pretty much a copy of the 3630. Not sure how it compares as I've never owned the Alesis and I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, sounds like daft punk to me so it's all good.
Great beat
Why did you switch the y and z keys on your keyboard?
This made my day! :D
very good
SOme cool gear there. I have a home studio these days after running a commercial one back in the day. I still use hardware, plenty of things and have a complex routing for midi and a midi patchbay too. Never had midi timing issues unless there was an actual fault & although I have my hardware setup so it can all be played from mother keyboards without having to turn a computer on, I wouldn`t dream of using anything else other than a DAW when I`m actually making tunes
My old MC909 is a beast of a sequencer, I prefer sequencing with hardware it’s so much more fun, and adds to the flow of creating. It’s easy and cheap to get a basic setup, but if you want to have a fully fledged setup then it’s more then software. But that’s the price you pay for a much more intuitive experience.
JayB - what’s your take on the new MPC’s ?
I have just buy the qy 100 how to connect with my synthesizer and drum machine??
google for the owners manual... not to be rude, but really, i do this all the time for my gear when i forget features.
Did the demo song make it into a full blown track or something? Very unfortunately, if not.
Hmm... I usually work with very complex and long melodies .. I'd love to find a sequencer with a piano roll
you are a brave heard!
Could you tell me how to assign different midi channels on the QY70? I can only find the 1 to 8 or 9 to 16 options.
matthew brown These options are only for patterns. In song mode you have got 16 channels that equal the 16 MIDI channels. Patterns only have 8 channels and the option sets whether those 8 channels are transferred on MIDI channel 1 to 8 or 9 to 16.
Is it possible to use a hardware midi-sequencer to sequence 'soft-synths' (i.e. by using a midi-controller keyboard that's hooked up to some software)?
Of course. If your software host supports linking each MIDI channel to a separate soft synth. :)
the midi is not syncing because you have it running through an interface into a pc into software then back out into the individual machines if you rewired it to directly control the machines it would be fine.
the computer is probably actually the bottleneck here.
Absolutely right. The old midi standard was made to support 16 channels, and that it does. Modern computers OS's do not operate on a real-time clock, the QY100 does. Every time I've used a midi to USB interface to a modern PC there have been latency issues. Which is kinda sad considering the first computer I used as a midi sequencer was an Apple 2 and it worked flawlessly.
Lovely hardware. I have owned a korg X5D the time of launch in 1996. At this time imported hardware was not so expensive here in Brazil. But today the same imported equipment costs 3 or 4 times more than in 1997. It is cheaper to produce electronic music with software. But I would have a top 5 or 10 synths with midi controlled to produce. It takes more work but it sounds better.
I agree with you
+ADRIANKEYMUSIC
I have friends in Argentina facing the same problems. I've offered to buy stuff and reship, but... risking the fines and charges, and possibly losing the whole investment to boot, could be a bitch. As a socialist, i understand the government's theoretical position of protectionism, but stuff that is obviously not produced locally, or which has a particular brand identity, should not be made to pay the same tariffs as those that can.
IE, it's not like you can walk down the street and buy a synth at the mercado.
(ola, a partir de Puerto Rico)
Quick qy70 question if anyone knows, is it only possible to set "local control" on/off for individual channels by sysex?
Not Local Control. But you can turn of MIDI reception for certain channels altogether.
@@JayBmusic thanks, Ive only had the qy70 a week so I'm still learning the basics but it seems like there is a lot more you can do. Cheers for the inspiration.
Do you know if the Yamaha QY10 can also act as an external Sequencer as well? I was think of getting one.
Skaarj Rebel The Qy10 only has 8 midi channels and cannot handle a lot more than notes (few controllers and pitchbend). And I don’t know if in song mode the last 4 channels are reserved for the pattern track. But basically yes, it can be used for simple sequencing.
Thanks JayB:-)
finish it! release it! I would buy it ;)
Jay b tell me please you are expert for the yamaha qy 100. How to synchronize with the vermona drm 1mk3? I tried via midi but nothing happens
I have no idea of pure analog synths and the whole CV stuff.
JayB vermona drm speaks midi as well.
+Sotiris Nikolaidis
I have never touched a drm, but i would guess you'd have to check the midi channel and notes it responds to, then adjust the playable octave on the qy.
Hello! How to turn off the sound engine in one track in QY 70. I want him to control the device like you do. I press the menu in song mode, then edit, but I do not see Rcv Chnl. Thank!
Gosha Varin You need to add it first. When in edit mode press Menu -> Insert and step through the categories until you're at XG MULTI. There you find the Recieving Channel entry somewhere. You can add it by pressing enter when selected.
thanks for the quick reply! It helped me a lot. I use to download QY DATA Filer, can you know more modern software for QY70?
I do it all the time, using a Roland MC 808
I have a question (Not in the manual). If I want my QY100 to control both my synth & drum machine at the same time, and chose not to use a midi patch bay like you did, do I need a split midi cable or something else?
Rob You could use MIDI Thru and make a chain from one synth to another. That is, if you can make both devices listen to separate MIDI channels.
T/Y!
make a tutorial for the begginers ....please ..its so complicated the qy 100.....jay b
This is just way too cool. But of course it has the disadvantage of any signal chain, latency.
Not sure how you have your MIDI devices connected. I personally use the next best thing for tight MIDI timing to an Atari ST, and that is a Edirol UM880 via USB on the PC. Prices on Ebay have gone nuts these days, but back in the mid to late 2000s, you could get them for around £100 GBP; now they are £300! They are rock solid and versatile, and can even be used standalone. You can also have four rack units for 32 ins and 32 outs, using the same multi-client driver on Windows.
hi JayB, i would like to do the same ... Trance .. but im novice... I love Trance, Trance Vocal, Dream, Hardstyle and Dubstep...
I'm new to all this. The very last thing I want is software. No daws, no midi controllers, not even a computer. Far too complicated and confusing.
I cannot express how sick and tired I am of shopping around on Amazon for equipment that has built-in sound. And Amazon seems to be hellbent on selling me bullshit made by Akai. Maybe Amazon isn't the place I need to be looking, idk. So any suggestions on standalone units (synth, drum machines, samplers, loopers) would be greatly appreciated and preferably something that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg. Anything by Korg or Roland would also be a plus.
Sad Satan
I would recommend a novation mininova for synth sounds, for a multi timbral synth with built in drums I would recommend an old Yamaha cs1x or a cs2x you would need a sequencer like the Yamaha qy10 qy20 qy70 or qy100 to “record “ what you are playing , you could get away with the Yamaha cs1x and a sequencer starting out, would cost less than £200.00 for that setup on the second hand market , hope this helps
wow ! and there's me walking past these in second hand /charity shops.
jayB tu es un grand artiste bravo great song !!!! goooood
good
Nice set up. Fuck the DAW. :P
Why do you say the "Wee"-Synth (haha)
is "the only synth" that can currently "load samples".
Emu and Ensoniq? What special functionality are you talking about in this synth "only"?
Thanks :)
I think he meant the only synth currently in his room at that time lol!!!!!! Not everyone is a native English speaker. Mocking someone's pronunciation is pretty rude, especially when they're obviously from another country.
It'd be ccol to see one about how to produce music without midi!
Nice :)
great song, geil
I used to have a Yamaha QY100 and they are superb. However in July 2021 I bought a QS300 workstation keyboard, which has the same sequencer with a larger display, buttons and a rotary dial. Apparently it had the nickname of "ravers babe" back in the mid-1990s.
Here's my problem. I want a portable device I can compose music on and output the midi to a file for use in a DAW (FL Studio). I'm looking at either the QY100 or a Roland PMA5. I do not have a midi card in my computer but I've seen where I can purchase a midi to USB interface. Do you have any suggestions as to what would be a better choice? Thanks!
if you can't find anything else, you could perhaps find a simple freeware MIDI DAW and record the MIDI output of whatever hardware sequencer works best for your creativity, and import that into FL. it may have improved since i last used it but in my experience FL was a bit messy with importing MIDI so you might need to use a program to edit the MIDI files into individual loops and phrases separately even if you can import them from SD card or something.
***** actually - i'm pretty sure that the best way might be to sync the sequencer to FL's MIDI clock, solo a single track, and record them individually direct into FL from the sequencer's MIDI output, especially after you've already figured out the instrument you're using for it in FL.
Thank you, Sweeter! I've found a clunky method involving Anvil Studio. Latency issues aside, it seems I can get it to record each track separately then open the midi file in FL Studio (which has the option to split the tracks to channels)
Once I work out all the bugs I'll create a production pipeline from sequencer to computer.
Thanks again for your help. (P.S. I went with the PMA-5 and an old Roland Ediroll UM-1EX)
I'm looking how to get to the menu around 6:17
+chaka gone Track 01 edit view (menu -> F3) and then add the specific SysEx parameters via the menu->F1 insert dialog.
God of Trance
Muting is a signal cut. Reduced volume is not the same
I miss mine!
Very nice solution for DAWless sequencing. Only question I have is can you setup more than 1 full song with this solution and play out a set of tracks or will it only work well for one track? Great video, very informative 😎
In theory you can add all the program and control changes as events at the beginning of each song. By that you cam play several songs in a row.
JayB pretty sweet man!
I just found this video a few mins ago, which you might enjoy JayB. It's using only a Yamaha QS300 which is basically a QY sequencer with a keyboard from 1995. The song is Children by Robert Miles ruclips.net/video/zM4lEYo19JY/видео.html
VIDEO DESCRIPTION TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN
"Greetings to my great friend Guido.
A great title by Robert Miles from the time of Trance Nation and Love Parade, which inspired me to play it myself on a Yamaha QS300 and Qubase LE 5 with Tascam US-144 MKII. Each note was first set individually and then processed in the QS300's sequencer. All sounds come from the sound pool on the QS300 ''Ravers Babe'' disk by Peter Krischker (EASY SOUNDS) and have been refined with delays, echo and some other modulation options that the QS300 has to offer. I tried to get as close to the original as possible. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to get the thunderstorm sound.
Nevertheless, have fun listening, your Heiko ;-)"
Instant Robert Miles feeling there.
can i have the music track
I'm afraid I don't have it anymore. It was just for that project.
Do it again!
Apparently the idea of a portable MIDI sequencer for Elektron was not the first
Hardware, software, Workstations, VSTi's, what's the difference? Can you make music with it? That's all that matters.
It'd be amazing if I could buy some hardware. But I'm 15...so I'll wait a bit.
I don't even have a job yet. Plus I'm saving up for a few cons. Also a new camera, graphics card, and stuff like that...
These are cheap on eBay.
GeekBrony hows it going now?
6 years later, did you get a job yet? :-)
kerosene lol yes.
OK, that's it, I'm getting an Alesis 3630!
Transcendance of the trance-crafting process. Oh the irony.
why cant they make wireless midi like wifi
They're on their way
+Javi G great news cheers
There are already some Wireless Midi Adapters out there working with Bluetooth.
Nice video - key information - 'it works, but it has limits'.
If the timing is an limit that mean for me - it does not work. I know MIDI standard is older than most of us and is little bit slow, but if its not syncing across 3 synths ... that's bad. Really bad - specially in genres like trance. Sound wise - awesome. You did great job here - I do admire that, however for production I'd rather trust more in DAWs.
Cheers ... or Gruss.
Matthew Legowicz You may be surprised that a lot of DAWs still rely _heavily_ on the MIDI protocol, like not just support it, but basically base their whole application around it, wrapping it in a modern-looking GUI and call it "cutting edge"...it's basically all MIDI. But this is mostly because there is SO much existing architecture already based around it, especially hardware, so to minimize bugs they build everything around it...then the plugin companies need to be the most compatible they can with DAWs and make their product to work _best_ with MIDI. I often think of what would happen if all the DAWs all at once said, "Ok guys we're DONE...you want your stuff to work with our system? Then download this free MIDI to OSC daemon and FUCKING DEAL". I mean it's amazing how much MIDI has stood up to the test of time, but by modern standards it's _so_ goddamn primitive it's not even funny. The thing about this video I don't like is how JayB is acting as if he's stating something revolutionary, as if a countless number of artists haven't been ignoring computer production and sticking with hardware this whole time.
Ryan Dunlap I'm talking about Trance from after 2000 here. I know there are electronic musicians out there who don't care about computers, but they most probably produce music where ridiculously precise timing is not that necessary. In this video I don't want to be a revolutionist or something, I just want to see how far that idea of combining these two worlds can get. And there's a little bit of trolling too. ^^
Matthew Legowicz this stuff is a fact of using a single MIDI stream and splitting it, not of the hardware sequencer. when sequencing from a DAW i regularly have to bounce things to an audio sketch track in order to stop MIDI hiccups too and i would almost never record multiple synths multitracked. Ryan Dunlap is correct about how primitive the whole protocol is and how much it pervades DAWs to this day. also unfortunately this discussion is presented as either/or. hardware sequencers can be incredibly useful in getting ideas down away from the studio and just being able to arrange your synths without looking at a computer monitor. the MIDI data can then be bounced to a DAW for more close editing and drawing controllers etc.
so basically all the stuff you could imagine doing on an OP-1 but spread out
you are great.............(y)
I think you are too hard on yourself about the timing. I can hear a bit of the sync issue, but it isn't enough to bother me in any lasting way. If you really wanted to, I'm sure you could go almost completely computer-free. As long as you get the results you want, though, that's all that matters, no matter what you do to get them.
i truly regret letting my qy 100 go
dieser Akzent
Na has du ä Gligg, dass'sch ne Säggs'sch rädd, wie mor de Gusche gewaggsn is.
JayB
unglooblisch
The best way to implement your ideas as fast as possible (in my opinion) is a combination of hardware and computer sequencing ... Good hardware sequencer with its limits (first) will give you counterintuitively musical edge regarding groove, timing, more alive passages, etc. On the other hand computer software with it's visual ability gives you a more detailed polishing after, a diferent perspective ... Of course you have to have a talent first, good rhytmical capabilities etc. More is not always better ... You're listening music with your ears first, than you watch the naked singer ... Or no, wait ... :)
Tekken
Would have watched if not for that wobbly video...
Feel free to become my camera guy. ^^
love but
i hate it when you youtubers never say what song is in the vid JESUS
In this case it's because there ain't none. It's something I just quickly made up.
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