Big big shoutout to MMA fighter He Haoyang. Here's some links to the matches in the video and the two knife-defense tests: Test one against untrained fighter: ruclips.net/video/_7r2siPUSQg/видео.html Test two against trained combatives instructor: ruclips.net/video/kwdx_CF-aQM/видео.html The page of He Haoyang's friend: www.youtube.com/@verygoodmencentre6374 Two of He's matches: ruclips.net/video/-W27c761pAI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/30gV8UZKwOE/видео.html Shoutout to SundownTE: ruclips.net/user/SundownTE Shivworks: ruclips.net/user/ShivWorks Also, I want to give a big shoutout to Martial Arts Journey (Rokas), Matt (Reality Check Self-Defense), and Icy Mike (Hard2Hurt) for inspiring me to make in-depth videos like this. ruclips.net/user/AikidoSiauliai ruclips.net/channel/UC2JcXaJpyaIaX0F9SQg3V4A ruclips.net/channel/UCNKtHIrVMaDE7hovBvodpDw To see more in-depth Fight Commentary Breakdowns videos, please go here: ruclips.net/video/aXkbUxx5Vx8/видео.html
Jerry, you forgot to add timecodes again! Intro and definitions 0:00 What is being tested 0:50 Untrained 'assailant' 1:08 Grappling vs knife 1:22 Slow motion breakdown 2:08 Striking vs knife 3:20 The flinch response 3:51 Untrained opponent tries 4:33 Distance multiplier vs knife 5:08 Key takeway 8:52 Probably the best option 9:49 Outro and shoutouts 10:02
hey check that channel if you havent seen it, its pretty trash. What is interesting though is that we can see the implication of the absence of the gloves use as protection to cover up like in the muay thai stance (sensei seth video, 2021). But i tell you, those videos brings really awkard feelings when you see bad decisions by the judges. The channel announce itself as a «no round, no rules» like a Valetudo\Gracie type but i didn't see punch or kick to the crouch or «wing chun poke» in the eye already. The ground is a composition of wood but it was on the stone\ciment in the first years of the channel. The expression of violence is very real here. Oftenly, you can assist to late knock down call outs by the judge witch bring a really cringe aspect of improvisation and amateurism in the fights. Also you can see that some of the first warriors on the first video of the channel lack a certain maturity in the combat witch add to the cringy aspect the fights. there's also no stopping to blood dropping so a warrior can bleed heavily and gets no evaluation by the «so-called» medics on site (see that video here: ruclips.net/video/DXZ5vqi886g/видео.html) I tell you, that channel is trashier than street beef. In the newer one, we can see that the underground aspect of the channel is still respected; we can see barriers of iron being as separations for the ring and even symbols that links to the street culture like apparition of gun like kalashnikov and bandanas used as mask to coer identity. This channel is interesting to analyse for sure. I know there's prizes for the winners but i dont know how much and what is the organisation ressemble within its entreprenarial architecture. its a big underground fight club where you can hear french accent accompagnied with russians and english accent. Hope you like it, if you havent already! (im a quebec guy, so please, dont mind my english) the link: ruclips.net/video/TpMWnHtws3w/видео.html
Yeah, I've watched many pro fighters test defending against knives, and the first tip is just to take off and have better stamina than the assailant :D like that's pretty based, considering that most unarmed defense scenarios against knives have a very high chance to get you seriously wounded. It is cool to see in this vid that as a trained fighter you can exploit the flinch response of an untrained assailant to gain the upper hand. That is something to test further! And of course, number one is always: how do you gain dominance while maintaining control of the knife arm? That is really tricky.
We've done some bjj with training knives on the mat and we get about the same result. I've sort of hoped that as my bjj improved I'd be able to passively dominate the knife arm better, but this makes me less hopeful. It really is true that we emphasize control of the hips and shoulders, but a hand with a knife changes the priorities a lot.
Great analyzed footage and great analysis Jerry! We need more people like the MMA guy in this video willing to put his skills to the test and more people like yourself showing it to the world and taking the right lessons from it
I was almost to tell him to check your video on testing knife techniques, and please if you can guys, recollect all the knife techniques from different martial arts and test them! we need to make martial arts more realistic and functional in real-life situations.
When I was military I was messing around with a buddy and he pulled a knife. I grabbed a towel that was hanging up thinking id try the whole jackie chan wrap up the knife thing. IT WORKED. I have no idea how, I never practiced it, just threw the towel over the knife when he thrust with it, wrapped in a couple loops and yanked. Knife went flying. We both stared at it confused. So, theres that for ya.
I once saw a video of a chinese guy attacked by guys with knives,he fended them of with kicks at distance,after a while they cut his leg. But while i once believed that only low kicks were useful,and that to fight is mostly boxing and upper body close range,i have changed my opinion. Realistically, handfighting/grappling/control, with punching less important, in areal old world combat,punching would not have been useful,because your hands would have weapon in them,once you have weapon, the most you can do is kick and knee in support,and maybe elbows. I have seen also similar things in police cams, with many things that could have gone differently with a well timed push kicks. Suddenly i knew why muay thai had such focus on knees ,kicks and elbows,and less on punches. Hands are useful because they can grip,the other parts are better suited to striking
The biggest factor I think, in street fights or street attacks, is the element of surprise. So being aware of where you are in relation to other people, is the most important.
Thats the FIRST and most important aspect of defense: POSITIONING. Awareness and posture. Criminals looking for easy prey will tend to avoid those who seem more confident in more public areas. That is if they dont have numbers, etc.
@@energyfitness5116 and most important of all factors is your FRAME, always train eat well and sleep well , im 1,85 cm tall and weight 100kg almost lean i workout out everyday cause its also my job and i have a background in martial arts, but even though i knew how to fight but i wasn't build like im now i was around 74kg or less i looked skinny and that made me an easier target , now that my frame looks intimidating not even a group of 4 cops let alone criminals want to mess with me
Since we're discussing the "most important" part of street fighting or self defense; It is, without a doubt, unquestionably, and in no unclear terms the ability to take hit, bounce off objects, and fight while bleeding. Sparring can never simulate a full force body-check or bare-knuckled punch to the face that often begins a street fight. You will not always see the knife, but you will certainly feel it.
I've been telling people for years this same thing over and over: "MMA is fighting in the ring with BARE HANDS, meaning Hand to Hand Combat. In the streets, they play with WEAPONS and PLAY DIRTY." Nobody listens to me. Now i have proof to shove it up their faces. Don't get me wrong. I'm all about Street Fights. I have been in a bunch of Street Fights, they never fight fair. They even use Machetes, and sometimes the only solution you have is to RUN.
THIS! Situational awareness is the best self-defense skill. Think of it as a turn-based tactical game. Awareness grants you one or more turns before an enemy makes a move.
Also remember that a large proportion of real life violence doesn't even take the form of a "fight". Attackers use deception e.g. they don't wave a knife around like it's an Errol Flynn sword fight, and/or there are multiple assailants.
They hide their knife in the back and when they close the distance they take it out. Till the time victim realizes anything, he has got severe cuts already.
@@troymccowan6367 it’s a winning strategy. It’s why historically in wars it has worked so well . Viking raids for example. They destroyed people and nations because they were quick and attacked unsuspecting villages and murdered unarmed/ surprised people. They had quick boats and not just raided the coast but went into the countries using rivers. A defending army was always too late and never knew where the Vikings would appear and strike next. An army has to be gathered and the men have to leave their homes and fields and that takes time and logistics and can’t be done randomly (danger of food shortages). Today Vikings are portrayed as heroes and as the greatest fighters, greater than the cowardly Saxon’s but in reality they were just absolutely savage, lightly armed so they could move quick and then they would appear, slaughter and rob and then they would disappear again. If a country has to defend a great landmass and is surrounded with ocean it’s screwed. This is why the Vikings where so successful in Britian. Constantly sucker punching/ stabbing. But that only works if you yourself don’t own a big landmass. Once that happens you are yourself vulnerable which is why the Vikings were stopped once they had to defend property/ land which they had conquered.
True comment, and just consider how monumentally stupid a criminal would have to be, to assault you in such a specific way that you can't run away yet also get a fighting chance... the chances of that are probably lower than winning the lottery. At some point every martial artist has to come to terms with the fact that we train because it's FUN and/or it builds confidence and fitness, because having to fight off an attacker for self-defense is very unlikely to happen in real life.
agreed, keep an eye out for the ambush. Or when they stand in two groups where one group acts as the distraction, the other group is the real threat. Simple tactics that can overwhelm even the most highly trained people who aren’t aware of them or prepared.
This is actually kind of beautiful in the sense that traditional jiu jitsu that had so many attacks targetting the wrist/hand/arm to throw someone instead of "takedowns" that target the body. Modern mma and bjj neglected that and now it is sorely missed when the dynamics change so that both combatants arent unarmed.
@@FightCommentary I dont its just something ive seen in demonstrations. I was able to find some demonstrations like ruclips.net/video/Y4ZjqucYbN4/видео.html notice the guy is focusing on using his opponent's knife arm and hand to take him down rather than say the head, the legs and upper body which is more common vs unarmed attackers. There is also this where it shows the technique meant for a sword being adapted vs against a knife ruclips.net/video/_jIfhE_Sqqk/видео.html . Finally there is a bunch of stuff from krav maga ruclips.net/video/zxlP7bP4RnQ/видео.html . The pattern seems to frequently involve using both of your hands vs the opponent's weapons hand and then using his hand/arm to throw or take him down or disarm him which seems to be the opposite in unarmed grappling where the big target is to control the head, legs or upper body.
What's missing from the Japanese systems often then not is just practicing and training against resistance. I used to do a ton of drills against tanto sticking to the arm and firing off shots. The one area where wing Chun hand play could actually be useful if they worked on sticking to the elbow, controlling the head. But let's be honest, drills and knife sparring is not real life. Most of the time you are getting cut and your best option is something solid you can bash their skull in or attack the knife hand and then their skull. That simple.
I really hate all those super krav maga or "military" seminars they act like we are super soldiers who can disarm somebody with a ak-47 and i will teach you!! (iam just exaggerating) but this one was really good and super real
You don't understand Krav Maga it was invented to teach a person how to react. With training you can react the right way. Explain how BJJ will help during a violent encounter. It won't ! But active attack drills will teach people not to always just give up and die. It also teaches when you should attack. Now not all schools are good that is the problem. It was also not ment to be a full martial art. It's more like a training style is how I was first taught. But money corrupts in my opinion.
Krav Maga does work to some extents. It maybe not work for combat sport like MMA but for self defense when the attacker try to intimidate you with weapons, you need to react and not do double leg take downs and do omoplata. No... Krav Maga also encourage pressure testing, so it should work on the street.
@@richardhenry1969 You're implying that no one has ever used bjj to defend themselves which is totally dishonest. No martial art has all the answers and acting as if you just disarm anyone so easily with knives or any other type of weapon is foolproof then you're really delusional.
This is great! This mma guy is truly humble and a great sport for trying this out. I applaud him for participating in this and everyone who participated in this. Excellent study.
@m0n10dew normally b4 you do the real kick you would do a fake one to draw the attention. But in any case, if you are not trained, and if you have the option to run, run away. Dont try martial art things you never know where the knife will end up in your body. Cheer.
@m0n10dew yeah i would run if thing is good. I mean if they are murderous toward you, turning your back to them might not be a good idea, but if they just try to scare you, yeah run away.
My dad and his friends used to train against knives when they did japanese ju jutsu. i think every martial art should have a time for testing stuff with force for sure. they created an own group after the ju jutsu practice to do sparring and such very cool.
@@FightCommentary haha naah this was like back in 1980-90s probably. Before i was born. Kinda cool that they trained this stuff to get more well rounded. Boxing and kicks too.
I remember doing this training with a friend who use a training knife to see how well my BJJ work, the amt of me being stab is ridiculously a lot, but yet this trg bring a big smile to me knowing that there is so much more to learn in martial arts. Great content Jerry!
probably the best look at knife defense on RUclips to date. even in the days before any kind of martial arts any kind of weapon, even a rock or a stick, changed the game. after decades and centuries of martial practice and development we still never sent warriors to the field without weapons. I think martial artists need to be more honest about this, specially when talking about self defense situations.
Agreed man! Even our ancient ancestors got ahead in the battlefield when they figured out how to put a sling to a rock. Slingers for millennia helped on the battlefield. So not training for real life situations is a detriment to the martial artist. You want to charge face first into someone's rock?
Real talk. Human beings are tool users, and this is coming from someone fascinated with unarmed combat. So many more of these supposed knife defense experts need to see this sort of thing.
@@WarriorBoy A similar more nerdy example is Batman from the comic books. He's a master of many martial arts, but guess what he's known for? His utility belt and his batmobile. He knows that no matter how tough his chin is and how good he moves, his tools and intellect win him the day.
@@FightCommentaryAs a comic nerd myself, I love that example and am a *huge* fan of your content and have been for years! Keep up the good work, Jerry!
The untrained guy's instincts as defender: stay out of the kill zone and grab the knife/knife hand. Trained guy's instincts as defender: get in close, take him to the floor and control the body.
boxing is superior for self defence in street fighting scenarios. go ahead and score a takedown and then have his friend use your skull like a pogo stick on the sidewalk.
@@gottaproxy8826 yes if you've gotten yourself in a fight with multiple guys. But if it's one on one, I'd prefer grappling, to staying in the kill zone and trading blows. Like Joe Rogan said, an untrained guy can get a lucky blow that would knock you out, but an untrained guy will never accidentally triangle choke when you're rolling around.
@@davidhoffman6980 this is against knives bro. and for the love of god, i really hope you're not taking joe's advice on this matter. you're going to get cut regardless of what you do. too bad we can't train for luck
So... I get what he is demonstrating... but his video is sort of disingenuous. I have run this experiment with several professional mma fighters. They struggle at first to address the knife, but he was willingly, consciously and intentionally choosing not to go with his instincts and address the knife. Even an mma fighter with zero knife experience won't "forget" the knife is there and go for a single like that lol.
Yeah, I totally see where you're coming from. I think this might be an indication too of how safe Taiwan is as a country. Haoyang made this video initially because there was a knife attack on a train in Taiwan that shocked the country. I think that was a few years ago and Taiwan is not know for that type of violence. Even if you look at official reports of crime in Taiwan: www.osac.gov/Country/Taiwan/Content/Detail/Report/a81e91c1-8248-4247-87fb-1838ca0ec766 it is a very safe country to travel to. So it could be that we in America think a little bit more about self-defense because of our culture of being tough and our approach towards arms and the 2nd amendment (and I'm not passing judgement at all). Taiwanese culture is known as a mini-version of Japan in a certain extent. It's very Kawaii and nice. I remember when Nick Drossos did those videos in Canada where he would go out to the park and ask people if they think they could defend themselves. A lot of the self-defense basics that you and I take for granted, the parkgoers had zero awareness about. The other thing you mention could be true too. Maybe to cause an extra dramatic effect, Haoyang chose to not go for the knife as much. I can ask him about that. The editing might have played a role in making it look that way. I'll get back to you on that. Also, I will totally watch the tests on your channel too. I don't think I've seen those yet, so thanks for letting me know!
@@yanostropicalparadise755 yea in a real knife fight he would have run away, that's not ego, that's survival... these MMA guys walk into a ring where both are on an even ground. The gloves aren't loaded with concrete. There are no knuckle dusters or knives or anything. The floor isn't concrete. There are rules to what can and can not be done to an opponent and a ref stops the fight when you're down or out.... in real life NONE of that is there, and the mma fighter knows this as we all do, so as most of us would, in real life, if some random comes up and pulls out a knife, you're backing away. You're not trying to engage.
How a man that doesn't train for fighting against a knife without having one, when fighting against a knife is the dumbest thing you'll ever do. Yeah what you do is run or give the money and cel that eventually will be more cheap that some days in the hospital.
Watch HEMA matches, and look at how professional fencing instructors (not Olympic style), like Matt Easton from scholagladiatoria channel, swordfight. Then you'll know that if you don't know how to fence or properly sword/knife fight, it's just like rolling when you dont know jiu-jitsu. You're a fish out of water
@@FightCommentary very cool, scholagladiatoria is one of the best channels on RUclips. Matt is an antique weapons dealer, a fencing instructor at a University in Britain and a HEMA instructor
@@psychedashell You seam to have completely misread my post. It shows them that if they are an average person with no history of violence and the other person has experience of violence then they are so lame that the knife they are carrying which they think will make them an unstoppable killing machine is totally useless. They are going to get quickly overwhelmed, their own knife is going to be used against them and they are not going to be able to stab the other person even once. If I was ever attacked by such a person and I had a knife and I had the chance to dispose of it ( in a way that stops the other person for retrieving it) I would because I know that It would be impossible for me to do anything to that type of person with nothing more than a knife and even if by some miracle I did manage to cut him it would not stop the attack.
I feel like Judo would be excellent as a base for this kind of situation with a few situations. Since, it has so many techniques that could be used while controlling the arm and focuses less on attacking the legs.
I agree, Judo has a better stand-up control when it comes to knife defence since most judo throws can be executed without sacrificing the hand control with simple hip and feet sweeps. Judo comes from the Jujutsu and Jujutsu is the samurai art which has a big history of armor wrestling and weapon disarming. Good stunning throws, great balance and power mixed with simplistic effective groundwork, Its great. Sport side of Judo might not teach Taiho Jutsu which is the arrest and disarming ground techniques, but even to this day Japanese police practice the martial side of Judo in police combatives training.
judo has striking as well, at least there's kata for it. really wish they developed the striking more though. there's actually a TON of things i wished they developed more in judo instead of neglecting those areas. their knife tech is too robotic and not very practical because ppl most likely wont lunge at you that way. their stand up is great for unarmed defense tho
@@Azur_Filip judo or kendo i believe is mandatory for every police officer i japan. theres a reason why they get their black belts within a year. you DO NOT want to mess with them lol. but they have a long time history with training their law enforcement with grappling, and i really like that they've still found a reason to keep the 'old arts' applicable in modern day.
I know I comment alot but last thing. Great stuff man, this subject is one of the most important things that need to be honestly discussed, as it involves so many people's physical safety
Yeah, I've hung around MMA coaches who don't think about distances. In their mind, they'll handle any idiot who attacks them using wrestling and BJJ. But what if that person has a knife? They rarely think about that. This video shows likely what will happen if your MMA habits kick in when someone with a force multiplier comes at you.
@@FightCommentary yes and there's a video of an MMA guy defending himself fine, then his attacker grabs his long hair. MMA guy didnt know what to do but luckily got him down. What if the aggressor had a knife, when he had his hair? They need to also train for self defense
Dude!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!! This was incredibly entertaining and informative! I love that you're my bridge to what's happening in China and taiwan!! I share these with my other fellow fighters
I used to train with an army guy back in the 70's like this, where we did random off the cuff knife attacks and evasions. We practised arm attacks a lot, because it is much more difficult to do anything else in a chaotic exchange.
A lot of older weapon systems actually utilize a lot of strikes to the hands and arms, and those are training methods done on someone non-resisting! I can only imagine if you're doing it live!
Hey man, I'm doing some little study about... these kinds of thing, and I really appreciate that there's actually someone doing it for me on RUclips. Thanks a lot, man!
This I like! There's no shortage of people walking around, honestly touching and finishing themselves off (at least mentally) to the belief that because they know (fill in the blank with martial art(s) here), they're some how invincible and immortal, especially against an 'untrained opponent' (gracie/brazilian jujitsu, what's up?!)! As far as i'm concerned, if you really trust your 'combatives training' like that, post a vid of you using it, on the street, against someone with a weapon, actively hell bent on killing you (so not someone you know/paid)! For anyone that wants to argue: if someone came claiming they can teach some art that lets one dodge bullets, the first thing you (yes you!) would do is tell them to demo it in front of a god damn machine gun with real bullets! So save it!
In HEMA, knife fighting is frequenly the most well developed discipline of armed combat. Fiore is famous for his longsword section, but the dagger one has many more pages, and is actually much more well developed. Spoiler: 95% of it is grappling, most of which involving grabbing the arm holding the weapon.
i like the german messer technique. i know their soldiers always had war messers with them. the grappling stuff that i've seen in HEMA is pretty cool and most people aren't aware of it. would you say that german style in general is less 'dainty' than say italian/spanish? maybe that's why i gravitate towards german more lol
He'll be eaten alive witj real pressure because he has no grappling skills... Knife defence is all about grappling with the attacker's bladed hand and neutralising it ASAP.. If all you know is fancy kali stuff you'd probably die 100%
@@yussuqmadiq5274 I was a dumog practitioner.. Not really that effective.. I actually was challenged by a dumog practitioner on a grappling match on concrete.. If u wanna see the video link me your email.
@@rj.voice.covers1891 It is not really much about the art. It is more about the person practicing it and how was he trained. And me giving my email? I don't think so. I don't trust you. And any keyboard warrior can say anything here. Why not post it here instead?
You got a shoutout in the pinned comment too. You inspired me a lot with this, especially the tactical light part. I featured that part because I saw you experiment too.
Brilliant video as always. Seeing this it makes a lot of sense why you see so many arm grabs in Judo throws. People quickly forget that Jiu Jitsu (Where Judo originated from) was proper battlefield techniques. And this guy just opened up my eyes once again to remember why we do what we do. This video is really great. Keep it up
Having done some Judo as well as Historical European Martial Arts I came to the conclusion that Judo has the best repertoire for defending against weapons. Of course, you need to tweak it and spar with (safe) weapons but it's approach is the best IMO. That and plastic chairs. Plastic chairs will save your life!
A while back, a guy from Funker Tactical said those without knife defense training were no worse off than those with it. This video is proof of that. Awesome video, Jerry. Very informative.
I guess that has been taken out of context because it only applies to very specific situations. Do you remember who of the Funker Tactical crowd said it in which video and what the context was? I'd really like to see this.
Mma fighters may not know the concepts of street self defense but if they did learn I’m sure they’d have a way better chance of survival than the average Joe learning self defense drills all day!
This video shows a very clear message, just like its title. People really need to stop thinking that "MMA is fighting in real life". No, it is not. Fighting in real life is unfair. Fighting of MMA is fair.
What a great video! Love how this shows the importance of cross training. I truly respect the sport style martial arts (MMA/BJJ/Etc.) but the reality is it’s not always transferable to self-defense training. Lesson here .... cross train!
Great video! I think that this shows how different weapons training is from unarmed combat. The priorities totally change as soon as a blade is involved. Also, the thing about striking the hands is key. There is a reason that the hands and wrist are one of the primary targets in knife and sword systems across the globe. The main issue with this approach is that you A) have to have a weapon yourself and B) need to have the space to keep the attacker from closing in.
"The last thing you want to do if your opponent has a knife is get close to him. Never grapple someone who has a knife." Paul Vunak at a seminar I attended in... 2003? 2004? He was talking about this back then.
Loving this training video and thank you for the commentating! Very realistic, practical, and full of learnings. The demonstrators and viewers are all learning something new.
From 7:34, good to see the defender let go of his [distance-multiplier/force multiplier], when it was getting in the way of his ability to control the assailant's edged-weapon hand.
Thing that is often forgotten by MMA guys is in real life fights people aren't playing by rules so biting, eye gouging and groin attacks are 100% on the table and many moves leave those areas vulnerable because you don't have to worry about protecting them in a MMA match
great content as always.. glad that you made this.. what you have learned for the ring are not always applicable outside it. most disarming techniques are not applicable in real-life situations. as a fma practitioner we never go for a disarm if our opponent isn't weakened. always strike first then go for the disarm. pain is the best way to make your opponent flinch. if the stick weapon is hard enough to inflict pain, bashing the opponent's weapon arm is already a disarming technique in a single move.
Basically take MMA then add weapon arts, military combatives, train to account for headbutts, biting, clothing, concrete, etc. But that's why I like jkd, that's basically what you're supposed to do
Now this is what I call self-defense training -- pressure training in extreme circumstances. Of course, it can't prepare you completely for a real life knife encounter, but hey, nothing can do that. If someone's out to kill you with a knife and running is not an option, distancing training, hand isolation, and practicing under intense pressure at least gives you a chance -- unlike most of the bullshido self-defense training out there. Good stuff; would love to see more of it.
I'm going to do a whole series pressure testing Nick Drossos' knife defense course, so definitely stay tuned for that. Also, connect with me on IG and tell me you want to see this type of video. I'll keep you in a list (like a combatives group on IG) so we can talk this stuff any time!
I like what Burton Richardson does as far as knife defense. Control the weapon hand, 2 on one. Also I like that he has trained with shock knifes adding a pain element to it.
As an MMA coach and an officer that teaches combatives and defensive tactics to fellow officers... they are both vastly different tactics and mindsets... with a common base and foundation of course... but the mindset HAS TO CHANGE when weapons are involved. Edged, impact, and projectile (firearms) change the landscape and mindset... coupled with team members, civilian collateral, multiple assailants make the fight a massively different fight. Never confuse the two... and train everything and train alive.
Really well done. Guy obviously knew a bit about locks and restraints. Definitely like the idea of striking simultaneously with tackling knife hand, as well as unbalancing. I was attacked with a knife once and definitely the strike and simultaneous knife restraint helped. Thing is, like most knife attacks, I didn't even know he had a knife at first (was cut about 3 times). I was very very lucky as cut on my neck wasn't deep. Like any combat situation, you can train to improve your chances, but your attackers determination and ability, and luck, have a massive part to play in your success.
No Bruno Orozco comments yet? he has a very complete self defense combat method, very well organised. I am in Argentina, far from his country Mexico, but I would train with him if I could. They do this stuff all the time, good practice. Also defense against different weapons and situations like kidnapping attempts. I learnt some traditional self defense techniques and those are not easy to apply at all, and some of them can actually get you killed. It better to just learn how to fight. Great video Jerry.
Fun fact, the reason why so many japanese styles have such a focus on arm control is because they were designed as battlefield styles that asumed your oponent had at least some kind ofnweapon... Be it a dagger, sword, whatever... You can actually see sumo throws like that... Amiuchi, kotenage, tottari etc... Are throws that look kinda like grecoroman wrestling... And are designed to throw someone who charges at you with a knife or sword
Judo has wakigatame, kote gatame, ude gatame... Bujinkan has those too but also have ganseki nage... Aikido has the weird wristlocks... All those are suposed to be for dealing with armed foes..."why focus do much on one arm if they have the rest of the body?" They have the kmife on that hand
This is exactly what mma “haters” have been talking about for years. A controlled cage fight with rules is COMPLETELY different from a life and death situation in the real world. But for some reason, MMA fans think these fighters and these 3 fighting styles with hand picked techniques are the end all be all of fighting.
Weapons augment everything. That's a fact. In a street fight. If a dude isn't immediately reaching for a weapon, he probably doesn't have one. If nobody has weapons, the better fighter will most likely win. It's not everything, but it certainly doesn't hurt to know how to throw a punch, kick, or even grapple a little.
Literally never seen an 'MMA hater' talk specifically about a situation where you are unarmed and someone with a knife is coming at you. In all honesty, in that situation, you're basically fucked if you can't run. Doesn't really matter what martial art you're using.
LOL... The clip you showed at the end is literally my go-to defense against a knife attack, AKA run like a scalded cat. Great video, FCB. Even a trained and experienced MMA guy has trouble against an assailant with the huge advantage of a bladed weapon. I remember having play fights with a dog to see if I could keep my hands out of its jaws while slapping it on the head (both of us were friendly with each other ... so nobody be calling the SPCA on me) He was just play-biting, and I was just tapping. It thought of it as a way to drill for the reaction speed you need in a knife scenario. The dog's reactions are way faster than a human, but his head is not as mobile as an arm with a knife... but it was a good way to test it out. Long story short... he will eventually get his jaws on you. The lesson was, don't stick around to try and best the opponent with a much more lethal or damage inflicting weapon. You have to be "perfect", he does not.
That video with how to protect your self when some has a knife is so real and education cause I know it's not skill or power it's understanding what kind of fight you in at that moment I wish I saw you video before
When I trained years ago, my sensei forced us to train against guns and knives. After many months, he explained that you can't really win against a knife or gun... But until he forced us to train against it, we'd never realize it, which was the point. But give me a stick and I'ma take your life if you got a knife
Wrong. You can defend against a gun far easier than a knife (depending on distance of course) and I'll give you a stick and give me a knife and lets see how you do. You might "win" but 100% you are getting cut. I'll put $$$ on it.
@@kingkong8974 Lets test it! I teach at a small school in tennessee. PM me for address and details. If you can show me you can make it through an attack without getting cut I'll pay everything. Travel, hotel, rental car, food, and I'll put extra money on the line. If I manage to land a cut you have to make a video that will be posted on instagram, twitter, facebook, tiktok and youtube under 6 different accounts stating your name, who you trained under and that what they taught you is complete bullshit along with a public apology to me. You lose you also pay for everything.
Look look for old dog brothers videos. Those have combative too. The fighters mostly have on fencing mask and some pads. Weapons used can be clubs, shock knives all sorts of things.
The best and foremost self-defense method is running. My old sifu made us run every day for a month before started to show us any move about fighting. He said if you can't run you better get a gun for self-defense instead.
I’ve done this type of training with my students and it is extremely difficult. The best strategy to follow, that I know of, is the “5 d’s plus 1:” Deflect, Dominate, Distract, Disarm and Destroy, with the plus one being the ever present control of distance.
Yeah, I really linked the MMA fighter's humbleness and ability to learn. That's why I had to feature him. I just hope he gets his own channel soon so we can promote him like we promoted Qi La La these past years.
Great test for initial proof that sportive rule sets aren't the be all and end all. Unfortunately, murderous intent and absolute focus on your death from the knife wielders perspective were not featured. That changes the game again. Absolutely terrifying.
Great video thank you so much for showing how we need to look at every aspect you could see simple technique Sig more complex technique but in the end it's raw and get it done
also when i was 18 i said i wanted to learn every martial art until someone told me just because you learn every fighting style does not make you invincible so im 21 and i still got time and when i said i have two options i meant it, option 1 i become a martial artist who trains in 5 of the best martial art fighting styles of all time which sanda,kyokushin karate,taekwondo itf,muay thai,combat sambo that are good and effective in self defence,street fighting and not only work in combat sport mma but have there respective combat sport and make money from them or option 2 i become not just martial artist but also fighter,boxer that trains in sanda,kyokushin karate,taekwondo itf,muay thai,combat sambo,bjj and boxing
or how about: 1 martial arts that cover both striking and grappling, standing up and ground fighting (MMA), 1 martial arts that emphasizing on street fight scenarios, weapon disarm (Krav Maga), 1 martial arts of weapon fighting (Eskrima). I think that will provide a more complete combination.
The switching hands is so annoying in my experience doing this sort of sparring. Like I can think I've got them and have the knife arm controlled and then they'll just pick up the knife with their other hand and stab me.
This stuff is so valuable! I wish there’s more on this and places to practice this. You’d think there would be ! Also someone send this to Icey mike he’d get a kick out of the tactical light
@@FightCommentary np. Hope you get something out of it. I just can speak of the European PTK approach, more precisely the German. I've had tons of green, blue and black bruises from pressure testing over the years... What I really liked you mentioned is the fact that most "testing" is often done compliant or "full terminator" with trained people. Here's something: I usually ask the most unexperienced person to stab me first. It will most of the time be a completely random, uncontrolled stab/slice/cut whatever. This grants valuable insights and training, too, especially if you have some protective gear to go full force. Or you just skip MOST of the gear (not everything, keep the head protected please) and accept the pain and possible injury. Maybe it's a good idea to try this out at least one time to feel how someone defends with all they got. Or how to get "stabbed" by a solid piece of wood.
There is a lot that we can learn in martial arts. people need to study and experiment using different environments and scenarios, using parkour, tools, multiple opponents, clothes etc...
Great video. More people need to see this. I constantly see this debate in which a combat art or another should be the ultimate self defense miracle.. but it really doens't work like this in RL.
Excellent video! I recommend Christopher Hein's videos analyzing how aikido works, very useful for understanding how the presence of a knife changes everything and how different techniques make sense only for certain scenarios. No matter which martial art, it's always good to be very aware of what its scope is, what's the purpose of the techniques, and their limitations too. And of course, adding some proper training method and pressure testing is always a great idea. Thanks for the awesome content!
If you have the time for it, bundle up your Tshirt like a hand wrap onto your lead hand. You will get cut/stabbed stepping into a fight regardless. This gives you a rudimentary shield. Also layered/bundled cotton is deceptively hard to cut. You can almost effectively grab the knife's blade if you had to, with minor cuts(all things considered).
One thing I notice though, is that batons and sticks weapons in general are really good defensive weapons. With some trainning you can even keep a knife wielding assailant at bay thanks to the extended range and unless you have malice intention, it is most likely you wont accidently kill your attacker in self defense. This was also the reasoning I heard on a discovery documentary where the shaolin monks explained why the first weapons they begin with are the sticks.
My problem with knife fighting sparring (and I saw it a lot in Krav Maga when I practiced) - people don't take it serious and do dangerous things that they wouldn't do in real life. Meaning, if someone smack you in the face with a stick - you're not just going to absorb it like nothing happened (like getting hit with a foam stick) and keep attacking (unless they're on drugs). That was my problem with Krav, it was too extremes - absolute compliance when training or when we did knife spar, it was taken lightly. The only way to properly train, is with real pain compliance. Meaning, minimal protection (only mma gloves, minimal head protection, eye protection and mouth guard), with shock knives and actual kali sticks if you're training with them. All in or don't bother, since the likely-hood of a knife fighting scenario in real life is extremely low (unless you live in a bad part of London or in the military lol). This video from Burton Richardson sums up what I'm saying perfectly: ruclips.net/video/iw4ft1L5a3U/видео.html
Great video and analysis. I think one small flaw in the test is it can’t actually replicate what its like to be hit hard by a stick in the hand or the the face. From practical experience I know it hurts a lot. I’m not claiming that it would necessarily be enough to stop a knife wielder, but the pain would be more of an impediment than is demonstrated here. And if that stick caught the assailant in the eye they might even be half blind and at more disadvantage.
Big big shoutout to MMA fighter He Haoyang. Here's some links to the matches in the video and the two knife-defense tests:
Test one against untrained fighter: ruclips.net/video/_7r2siPUSQg/видео.html
Test two against trained combatives instructor: ruclips.net/video/kwdx_CF-aQM/видео.html
The page of He Haoyang's friend: www.youtube.com/@verygoodmencentre6374
Two of He's matches: ruclips.net/video/-W27c761pAI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/30gV8UZKwOE/видео.html
Shoutout to SundownTE: ruclips.net/user/SundownTE
Shivworks: ruclips.net/user/ShivWorks
Also, I want to give a big shoutout to Martial Arts Journey (Rokas), Matt (Reality Check Self-Defense), and Icy Mike (Hard2Hurt) for inspiring me to make in-depth videos like this.
ruclips.net/user/AikidoSiauliai
ruclips.net/channel/UC2JcXaJpyaIaX0F9SQg3V4A
ruclips.net/channel/UCNKtHIrVMaDE7hovBvodpDw
To see more in-depth Fight Commentary Breakdowns videos, please go here: ruclips.net/video/aXkbUxx5Vx8/видео.html
Jerry, you forgot to add timecodes again!
Intro and definitions 0:00
What is being tested 0:50
Untrained 'assailant' 1:08
Grappling vs knife 1:22
Slow motion breakdown 2:08
Striking vs knife 3:20
The flinch response 3:51
Untrained opponent tries 4:33
Distance multiplier vs knife 5:08
Key takeway 8:52
Probably the best option 9:49
Outro and shoutouts 10:02
Kudos to him for stepping into the real
What about an untrained person without a knife trying to eye-gouge him? Will mma skills match pure aggression?
hey check that channel if you havent seen it, its pretty trash. What is interesting though is that we can see the implication of the absence of the gloves use as protection to cover up like in the muay thai stance (sensei seth video, 2021). But i tell you, those videos brings really awkard feelings when you see bad decisions by the judges. The channel announce itself as a «no round, no rules» like a Valetudo\Gracie type but i didn't see punch or kick to the crouch or «wing chun poke» in the eye already. The ground is a composition of wood but it was on the stone\ciment in the first years of the channel. The expression of violence is very real here. Oftenly, you can assist to late knock down call outs by the judge witch bring a really cringe aspect of improvisation and amateurism in the fights. Also you can see that some of the first warriors on the first video of the channel lack a certain maturity in the combat witch add to the cringy aspect the fights. there's also no stopping to blood dropping so a warrior can bleed heavily and gets no evaluation by the «so-called» medics on site (see that video here: ruclips.net/video/DXZ5vqi886g/видео.html)
I tell you, that channel is trashier than street beef. In the newer one, we can see that the underground aspect of the channel is still respected; we can see barriers of iron being as separations for the ring and even symbols that links to the street culture like apparition of gun like kalashnikov and bandanas used as mask to coer identity. This channel is interesting to analyse for sure. I know there's prizes for the winners but i dont know how much and what is the organisation ressemble within its entreprenarial architecture. its a big underground fight club where you can hear french accent accompagnied with russians and english accent.
Hope you like it, if you havent already!
(im a quebec guy, so please, dont mind my english)
the link: ruclips.net/video/TpMWnHtws3w/видео.html
6:34 Silat? I thought it was Arnis/Eskrima? Especially with the signature sticks.
This actually shows how dangerous someone with a knife actually is.
Yeah, I've watched many pro fighters test defending against knives, and the first tip is just to take off and have better stamina than the assailant :D like that's pretty based, considering that most unarmed defense scenarios against knives have a very high chance to get you seriously wounded.
It is cool to see in this vid that as a trained fighter you can exploit the flinch response of an untrained assailant to gain the upper hand. That is something to test further!
And of course, number one is always: how do you gain dominance while maintaining control of the knife arm? That is really tricky.
@@ArtoPekkanen yeah I don't think people realize how dangerous they are
@@michaelvendick2785 we should just go back to the old days where everyone was in leather or metal and carried weapons.
We've done some bjj with training knives on the mat and we get about the same result. I've sort of hoped that as my bjj improved I'd be able to passively dominate the knife arm better, but this makes me less hopeful. It really is true that we emphasize control of the hips and shoulders, but a hand with a knife changes the priorities a lot.
@@Donky_Kongs_Baby lol, I'm kinda digging that idea
That laugh and smile of the mma fighter is someone being full of joy that there is still so much more to learn.
Yeah. Love his attitude!
@@FightCommentary Truly a humble dude
@@MrTheil I'm going to send all these great comments to him, so I hope that encourages him to do more content!
In the street an mma fighter would have broken one of his arms asap, then incapacitated
Or that's what I'd do with what little skill i have
More like, unlearn... : /
Great analyzed footage and great analysis Jerry! We need more people like the MMA guy in this video willing to put his skills to the test and more people like yourself showing it to the world and taking the right lessons from it
I was almost to tell him to check your video on testing knife techniques, and please if you can guys, recollect all the knife techniques from different martial arts and test them! we need to make martial arts more realistic and functional in real-life situations.
Nice, great to see sport fighting and "real life" compared.
Lots of this kind of stuff in Heinkido.
Aikido would have worked here
@Khan M.A you stole the joke I was about to make 😝
When I was military I was messing around with a buddy and he pulled a knife. I grabbed a towel that was hanging up thinking id try the whole jackie chan wrap up the knife thing. IT WORKED. I have no idea how, I never practiced it, just threw the towel over the knife when he thrust with it, wrapped in a couple loops and yanked. Knife went flying. We both stared at it confused. So, theres that for ya.
somethong like that happened with me. i kicked a knife out of a friends hand lol
During knife avoidance training, I once saw a student pull his belt off and whip the buckle across the face of the assailant.
Still, it is not an unarmed technique though. I guess in a way this is similar to the gladiators fighting with nets.
Yeah it can happen but just because it can happen sometimes if everything aligns right doesn't mean it's a reliable technique
I once saw a video of a chinese guy attacked by guys with knives,he fended them of with kicks at distance,after a while they cut his leg.
But while i once believed that only low kicks were useful,and that to fight is mostly boxing and upper body close range,i have changed my opinion. Realistically, handfighting/grappling/control, with punching less important, in areal old world combat,punching would not have been useful,because your hands would have weapon in them,once you have weapon, the most you can do is kick and knee in support,and maybe elbows. I have seen also similar things in police cams, with many things that could have gone differently with a well timed push kicks.
Suddenly i knew why muay thai had such focus on knees ,kicks and elbows,and less on punches.
Hands are useful because they can grip,the other parts are better suited to striking
The biggest factor I think, in street fights or street attacks, is the element of surprise. So being aware of where you are in relation to other people, is the most important.
Thats the FIRST and most important aspect of defense: POSITIONING. Awareness and posture. Criminals looking for easy prey will tend to avoid those who seem more confident in more public areas. That is if they dont have numbers, etc.
@@energyfitness5116 and most important of all factors is your FRAME, always train eat well and sleep well , im 1,85 cm tall and weight 100kg almost lean i workout out everyday cause its also my job and i have a background in martial arts, but even though i knew how to fight but i wasn't build like im now i was around 74kg or less i looked skinny and that made me an easier target , now that my frame looks intimidating not even a group of 4 cops let alone criminals want to mess with me
Since we're discussing the "most important" part of street fighting or self defense; It is, without a doubt, unquestionably, and in no unclear terms the ability to take hit, bounce off objects, and fight while bleeding. Sparring can never simulate a full force body-check or bare-knuckled punch to the face that often begins a street fight. You will not always see the knife, but you will certainly feel it.
I've been telling people for years this same thing over and over:
"MMA is fighting in the ring with BARE HANDS, meaning Hand to Hand Combat. In the streets, they play with WEAPONS and PLAY DIRTY."
Nobody listens to me. Now i have proof to shove it up their faces.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all about Street Fights. I have been in a bunch of Street Fights, they never fight fair. They even use Machetes, and sometimes the only solution you have is to RUN.
THIS! Situational awareness is the best self-defense skill. Think of it as a turn-based tactical game. Awareness grants you one or more turns before an enemy makes a move.
Also remember that a large proportion of real life violence doesn't even take the form of a "fight". Attackers use deception e.g. they don't wave a knife around like it's an Errol Flynn sword fight, and/or there are multiple assailants.
They hide their knife in the back and when they close the distance they take it out. Till the time victim realizes anything, he has got severe cuts already.
@@yogeshghadge5748 cowards...
@@troymccowan6367 it’s a winning strategy. It’s why historically in wars it has worked so well . Viking raids for example. They destroyed people and nations because they were quick and attacked unsuspecting villages and murdered unarmed/ surprised people. They had quick boats and not just raided the coast but went into the countries using rivers. A defending army was always too late and never knew where the Vikings would appear and strike next. An army has to be gathered and the men have to leave their homes and fields and that takes time and logistics and can’t be done randomly (danger of food shortages).
Today Vikings are portrayed as heroes and as the greatest fighters, greater than the cowardly Saxon’s but in reality they were just absolutely savage, lightly armed so they could move quick and then they would appear, slaughter and rob and then they would disappear again. If a country has to defend a great landmass and is surrounded with ocean it’s screwed. This is why the Vikings where so successful in Britian. Constantly sucker punching/ stabbing. But that only works if you yourself don’t own a big landmass. Once that happens you are yourself vulnerable which is why the Vikings were stopped once they had to defend property/ land which they had conquered.
True comment, and just consider how monumentally stupid a criminal would have to be, to assault you in such a specific way that you can't run away yet also get a fighting chance... the chances of that are probably lower than winning the lottery. At some point every martial artist has to come to terms with the fact that we train because it's FUN and/or it builds confidence and fitness, because having to fight off an attacker for self-defense is very unlikely to happen in real life.
agreed, keep an eye out for the ambush. Or when they stand in two groups where one group acts as the distraction, the other group is the real threat. Simple tactics that can overwhelm even the most highly trained people who aren’t aware of them or prepared.
This is actually kind of beautiful in the sense that traditional jiu jitsu that had so many attacks targetting the wrist/hand/arm to throw someone instead of "takedowns" that target the body. Modern mma and bjj neglected that and now it is sorely missed when the dynamics change so that both combatants arent unarmed.
Do you know any good Japanese or traditional Jiu JItsu channels? I'll check them out.
@@FightCommentary I dont its just something ive seen in demonstrations. I was able to find some demonstrations like ruclips.net/video/Y4ZjqucYbN4/видео.html notice the guy is focusing on using his opponent's knife arm and hand to take him down rather than say the head, the legs and upper body which is more common vs unarmed attackers. There is also this where it shows the technique meant for a sword being adapted vs against a knife ruclips.net/video/_jIfhE_Sqqk/видео.html . Finally there is a bunch of stuff from krav maga ruclips.net/video/zxlP7bP4RnQ/видео.html . The pattern seems to frequently involve using both of your hands vs the opponent's weapons hand and then using his hand/arm to throw or take him down or disarm him which seems to be the opposite in unarmed grappling where the big target is to control the head, legs or upper body.
What's missing from the Japanese systems often then not is just practicing and training against resistance. I used to do a ton of drills against tanto sticking to the arm and firing off shots. The one area where wing Chun hand play could actually be useful if they worked on sticking to the elbow, controlling the head. But let's be honest, drills and knife sparring is not real life. Most of the time you are getting cut and your best option is something solid you can bash their skull in or attack the knife hand and then their skull. That simple.
Then we have someone in YT always boasting Mma is the best martial arts ..
@@TheChenchen when it comes to unarmed fighting mma is the best. that doesnt mean its perfect either.
I really hate all those super krav maga or "military" seminars they act like we are super soldiers who can disarm somebody with a ak-47 and i will teach you!! (iam just exaggerating) but this one was really good and super real
Yeah, don't forget systema too ;)
I personally don't think it's real, it's just as bad as most knife fighting I've seen. There is no pain compliance.
You don't understand Krav Maga it was invented to teach a person how to react. With training you can react the right way.
Explain how BJJ will help during a violent encounter. It won't ! But active attack drills will teach people not to always just give up and die. It also teaches when you should attack. Now not all schools are good that is the problem. It was also not ment to be a full martial art. It's more like a training style is how I was first taught. But money corrupts in my opinion.
Krav Maga does work to some extents. It maybe not work for combat sport like MMA but for self defense when the attacker try to intimidate you with weapons, you need to react and not do double leg take downs and do omoplata. No...
Krav Maga also encourage pressure testing, so it should work on the street.
@@richardhenry1969 You're implying that no one has ever used bjj to defend themselves which is totally dishonest. No martial art has all the answers and acting as if you just disarm anyone so easily with knives or any other type of weapon is foolproof then you're really delusional.
6:00 Me in my imagination (basically Nightwing from Batman).
9:57 Me IRL.
This is great! This mma guy is truly humble and a great sport for trying this out. I applaud him for participating in this and everyone who participated in this. Excellent study.
I hope he starts a channel soon so that we can promote him like we promote Qi La La and Xu Xiaodong.
This from my dad who was a policeman in viet nam. "When dealing with knife, keep the distance, grab a weapon, or try to kick the hand when you can".
And that's the most real, safe and applicable thing.
@m0n10dew normally b4 you do the real kick you would do a fake one to draw the attention. But in any case, if you are not trained, and if you have the option to run, run away. Dont try martial art things you never know where the knife will end up in your body. Cheer.
@m0n10dew yeah i would run if thing is good. I mean if they are murderous toward you, turning your back to them might not be a good idea, but if they just try to scare you, yeah run away.
My dad and his friends used to train against knives when they did japanese ju jutsu.
i think every martial art should have a time for testing stuff with force for sure.
they created an own group after the ju jutsu practice to do sparring and such very cool.
Do you have any footage? I would love to feature it!
@@FightCommentary haha naah this was like back in 1980-90s probably. Before i was born. Kinda cool that they trained this stuff to get more well rounded. Boxing and kicks too.
I remember doing this training with a friend who use a training knife to see how well my BJJ work, the amt of me being stab is ridiculously a lot, but yet this trg bring a big smile to me knowing that there is so much more to learn in martial arts. Great content Jerry!
probably the best look at knife defense on RUclips to date. even in the days before any kind of martial arts any kind of weapon, even a rock or a stick, changed the game. after decades and centuries of martial practice and development we still never sent warriors to the field without weapons. I think martial artists need to be more honest about this, specially when talking about self defense situations.
Agreed man! Even our ancient ancestors got ahead in the battlefield when they figured out how to put a sling to a rock. Slingers for millennia helped on the battlefield. So not training for real life situations is a detriment to the martial artist. You want to charge face first into someone's rock?
Real talk. Human beings are tool users, and this is coming from someone fascinated with unarmed combat. So many more of these supposed knife defense experts need to see this sort of thing.
@@WarriorBoy A similar more nerdy example is Batman from the comic books. He's a master of many martial arts, but guess what he's known for? His utility belt and his batmobile. He knows that no matter how tough his chin is and how good he moves, his tools and intellect win him the day.
@@FightCommentaryAs a comic nerd myself, I love that example and am a *huge* fan of your content and have been for years! Keep up the good work, Jerry!
The untrained guy's instincts as defender: stay out of the kill zone and grab the knife/knife hand. Trained guy's instincts as defender: get in close, take him to the floor and control the body.
boxing is superior for self defence in street fighting scenarios. go ahead and score a takedown and then have his friend use your skull like a pogo stick on the sidewalk.
@@gottaproxy8826 yes if you've gotten yourself in a fight with multiple guys. But if it's one on one, I'd prefer grappling, to staying in the kill zone and trading blows. Like Joe Rogan said, an untrained guy can get a lucky blow that would knock you out, but an untrained guy will never accidentally triangle choke when you're rolling around.
@@davidhoffman6980 this is against knives bro. and for the love of god, i really hope you're not taking joe's advice on this matter. you're going to get cut regardless of what you do. too bad we can't train for luck
So... I get what he is demonstrating... but his video is sort of disingenuous. I have run this experiment with several professional mma fighters. They struggle at first to address the knife, but he was willingly, consciously and intentionally choosing not to go with his instincts and address the knife. Even an mma fighter with zero knife experience won't "forget" the knife is there and go for a single like that lol.
Yeah, I totally see where you're coming from. I think this might be an indication too of how safe Taiwan is as a country. Haoyang made this video initially because there was a knife attack on a train in Taiwan that shocked the country. I think that was a few years ago and Taiwan is not know for that type of violence. Even if you look at official reports of crime in Taiwan: www.osac.gov/Country/Taiwan/Content/Detail/Report/a81e91c1-8248-4247-87fb-1838ca0ec766 it is a very safe country to travel to. So it could be that we in America think a little bit more about self-defense because of our culture of being tough and our approach towards arms and the 2nd amendment (and I'm not passing judgement at all). Taiwanese culture is known as a mini-version of Japan in a certain extent. It's very Kawaii and nice. I remember when Nick Drossos did those videos in Canada where he would go out to the park and ask people if they think they could defend themselves. A lot of the self-defense basics that you and I take for granted, the parkgoers had zero awareness about. The other thing you mention could be true too. Maybe to cause an extra dramatic effect, Haoyang chose to not go for the knife as much. I can ask him about that. The editing might have played a role in making it look that way. I'll get back to you on that. Also, I will totally watch the tests on your channel too. I don't think I've seen those yet, so thanks for letting me know!
i agree, if it was a real knife he would have behaved differently.
@@yanostropicalparadise755 yea in a real knife fight he would have run away, that's not ego, that's survival... these MMA guys walk into a ring where both are on an even ground. The gloves aren't loaded with concrete. There are no knuckle dusters or knives or anything. The floor isn't concrete. There are rules to what can and can not be done to an opponent and a ref stops the fight when you're down or out.... in real life NONE of that is there, and the mma fighter knows this as we all do, so as most of us would, in real life, if some random comes up and pulls out a knife, you're backing away. You're not trying to engage.
@@mattsta1640 agreed
How a man that doesn't train for fighting against a knife without having one, when fighting against a knife is the dumbest thing you'll ever do. Yeah what you do is run or give the money and cel that eventually will be more cheap that some days in the hospital.
Watch HEMA matches, and look at how professional fencing instructors (not Olympic style), like Matt Easton from scholagladiatoria channel, swordfight. Then you'll know that if you don't know how to fence or properly sword/knife fight, it's just like rolling when you dont know jiu-jitsu. You're a fish out of water
Cool. I will check out the channels!
@@FightCommentary very cool, scholagladiatoria is one of the best channels on RUclips. Matt is an antique weapons dealer, a fencing instructor at a University in Britain and a HEMA instructor
im pretty sure fencing knows this as well. its almost impossible to score against a good fencer.
Every martial art school, club, gym needs oversized white T-Shirts and red permanent markers.
Best wake-up call ever.
we have been instructed to buy them currently we are concentrating on controlling the arm
Such a great idea that one
I agree.
Shows people that merely carrying a knife will not make them an unstoppable killing machine
@@mrx2586 True that!
Also shows people that they currently suck so bad they're going to get cut no matter how lame the knife wielder is.
@@psychedashell You seam to have completely misread my post.
It shows them that if they are an average person with no history of violence and the other person has experience of violence then they are so lame that the knife they are carrying which they think will make them an unstoppable killing machine is totally useless.
They are going to get quickly overwhelmed, their own knife is going to be used against them and they are not going to be able to stab the other person even once.
If I was ever attacked by such a person and I had a knife and I had the chance to dispose of it ( in a way that stops the other person for retrieving it) I would because I know that It would be impossible for me to do anything to that type of person with nothing more than a knife and even if by some miracle I did manage to cut him it would not stop the attack.
I feel like Judo would be excellent as a base for this kind of situation with a few situations. Since, it has so many techniques that could be used while controlling the arm and focuses less on attacking the legs.
I agree, Judo has a better stand-up control when it comes to knife defence since most judo throws can be executed without sacrificing the hand control with simple hip and feet sweeps. Judo comes from the Jujutsu and Jujutsu is the samurai art which has a big history of armor wrestling and weapon disarming. Good stunning throws, great balance and power mixed with simplistic effective groundwork, Its great. Sport side of Judo might not teach Taiho Jutsu which is the arrest and disarming ground techniques, but even to this day Japanese police practice the martial side of Judo in police combatives training.
Try it. If you grab anything, you get stabbed. If you try to grab the hands, your hands get cut on the approach.
@@paperjack93 funny, every single person I know who fought their way out of a fight grabbed the knife hand ASAP
judo has striking as well, at least there's kata for it. really wish they developed the striking more though. there's actually a TON of things i wished they developed more in judo instead of neglecting those areas. their knife tech is too robotic and not very practical because ppl most likely wont lunge at you that way. their stand up is great for unarmed defense tho
@@Azur_Filip judo or kendo i believe is mandatory for every police officer i japan. theres a reason why they get their black belts within a year. you DO NOT want to mess with them lol. but they have a long time history with training their law enforcement with grappling, and i really like that they've still found a reason to keep the 'old arts' applicable in modern day.
I know I comment alot but last thing. Great stuff man, this subject is one of the most important things that need to be honestly discussed, as it involves so many people's physical safety
Yeah, I've hung around MMA coaches who don't think about distances. In their mind, they'll handle any idiot who attacks them using wrestling and BJJ. But what if that person has a knife? They rarely think about that. This video shows likely what will happen if your MMA habits kick in when someone with a force multiplier comes at you.
@@FightCommentary yes and there's a video of an MMA guy defending himself fine, then his attacker grabs his long hair. MMA guy didnt know what to do but luckily got him down. What if the aggressor had a knife, when he had his hair? They need to also train for self defense
Dude!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!! This was incredibly entertaining and informative! I love that you're my bridge to what's happening in China and taiwan!! I share these with my other fellow fighters
I used to train with an army guy back in the 70's like this, where we did random off the cuff knife attacks and evasions. We practised arm attacks a lot, because it is much more difficult to do anything else in a chaotic exchange.
A lot of older weapon systems actually utilize a lot of strikes to the hands and arms, and those are training methods done on someone non-resisting! I can only imagine if you're doing it live!
Hey man, I'm doing some little study about... these kinds of thing, and I really appreciate that there's actually someone doing it for me on RUclips. Thanks a lot, man!
This I like! There's no shortage of people walking around, honestly touching and finishing themselves off (at least mentally) to the belief that because they know (fill in the blank with martial art(s) here), they're some how invincible and immortal, especially against an 'untrained opponent' (gracie/brazilian jujitsu, what's up?!)!
As far as i'm concerned, if you really trust your 'combatives training' like that, post a vid of you using it, on the street, against someone with a weapon, actively hell bent on killing you (so not someone you know/paid)!
For anyone that wants to argue: if someone came claiming they can teach some art that lets one dodge bullets, the first thing you (yes you!) would do is tell them to demo it in front of a god damn machine gun with real bullets!
So save it!
In HEMA, knife fighting is frequenly the most well developed discipline of armed combat. Fiore is famous for his longsword section, but the dagger one has many more pages, and is actually much more well developed.
Spoiler: 95% of it is grappling, most of which involving grabbing the arm holding the weapon.
i like the german messer technique. i know their soldiers always had war messers with them. the grappling stuff that i've seen in HEMA is pretty cool and most people aren't aware of it. would you say that german style in general is less 'dainty' than say italian/spanish? maybe that's why i gravitate towards german more lol
I want to see Doug Marcaida being pressure tested like this
He did a cool series with Instructor Zero. Have you seen those videos?
He'll be eaten alive witj real pressure because he has no grappling skills... Knife defence is all about grappling with the attacker's bladed hand and neutralising it ASAP.. If all you know is fancy kali stuff you'd probably die 100%
@@rj.voice.covers1891 Kali also has a grappling or wrestling part called dumog.
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I was a dumog practitioner.. Not really that effective.. I actually was challenged by a dumog practitioner on a grappling match on concrete.. If u wanna see the video link me your email.
@@rj.voice.covers1891 It is not really much about the art. It is more about the person practicing it and how was he trained.
And me giving my email? I don't think so. I don't trust you. And any keyboard warrior can say anything here.
Why not post it here instead?
Love this!
You got a shoutout in the pinned comment too. You inspired me a lot with this, especially the tactical light part. I featured that part because I saw you experiment too.
Brilliant video as always. Seeing this it makes a lot of sense why you see so many arm grabs in Judo throws. People quickly forget that Jiu Jitsu (Where Judo originated from) was proper battlefield techniques. And this guy just opened up my eyes once again to remember why we do what we do. This video is really great. Keep it up
Having done some Judo as well as Historical European Martial Arts I came to the conclusion that Judo has the best repertoire for defending against weapons. Of course, you need to tweak it and spar with (safe) weapons but it's approach is the best IMO.
That and plastic chairs. Plastic chairs will save your life!
ooh man thanks for the video ! That was really fun to watch but at the same time important !
A while back, a guy from Funker Tactical said those without knife defense training were no worse off than those with it. This video is proof of that.
Awesome video, Jerry. Very informative.
BTW, viewers were sending me videos (via email) of fighsmarttrav and Funker Tactical going at it. Have you seen that drama?
@@FightCommentary No. I'll check it out. Thanks.
I guess that has been taken out of context because it only applies to very specific situations. Do you remember who of the Funker Tactical crowd said it in which video and what the context was? I'd really like to see this.
What a fabulous experiment and footage. Thanks for sharing!
Good premise for the video. I'm looking forward to the content unfolding. Thank you for sharing. ✌🏼
MMA and actual "My life is on the line fighting" Is two different worlds.
Mma fighters may not know the concepts of street self defense but if they did learn I’m sure they’d have a way better chance of survival than the average Joe learning self defense drills all day!
the average joe also has average (maybe slightly above average) physical conditioning as well. that's one huge problem of traditional martial arts
This video shows a very clear message, just like its title.
People really need to stop thinking that "MMA is fighting in real life".
No, it is not. Fighting in real life is unfair.
Fighting of MMA is fair.
Here from ramsey deweys channel, great stuff!
Ramsey is such an awesome dude!
What a great video! Love how this shows the importance of cross training. I truly respect the sport style martial arts (MMA/BJJ/Etc.) but the reality is it’s not always transferable to self-defense training. Lesson here .... cross train!
Great video! I think that this shows how different weapons training is from unarmed combat. The priorities totally change as soon as a blade is involved. Also, the thing about striking the hands is key. There is a reason that the hands and wrist are one of the primary targets in knife and sword systems across the globe. The main issue with this approach is that you A) have to have a weapon yourself and B) need to have the space to keep the attacker from closing in.
Totally! It's amazing that Haoyang's existing MMA trained combat patterns actually would have gotten him killed 99.9999% of the time!
How did I miss this?
Excellent content. Cheers.
"The last thing you want to do if your opponent has a knife is get close to him. Never grapple someone who has a knife." Paul Vunak at a seminar I attended in... 2003? 2004? He was talking about this back then.
Loving this training video and thank you for the commentating!
Very realistic, practical, and full of learnings. The demonstrators and viewers are all learning something new.
Finally someone who understands how dangerous knives are great video
This video is beyond gold it’s platinum. I will see you in the future believe me.
From 7:34, good to see the defender let go of his [distance-multiplier/force multiplier], when it was getting in the way of his ability to control the assailant's edged-weapon hand.
Thing that is often forgotten by MMA guys is in real life fights people aren't playing by rules so biting, eye gouging and groin attacks are 100% on the table and many moves leave those areas vulnerable because you don't have to worry about protecting them in a MMA match
The MMA guy can also use dirty tricks in real life....
great content as always.. glad that you made this.. what you have learned for the ring are not always applicable outside it. most disarming techniques are not applicable in real-life situations. as a fma practitioner we never go for a disarm if our opponent isn't weakened. always strike first then go for the disarm. pain is the best way to make your opponent flinch. if the stick weapon is hard enough to inflict pain, bashing the opponent's weapon arm is already a disarming technique in a single move.
Fantastic video, there should be a lot more videos of this kind
Some quality content right here, nice! Weapons are indeed another game compared to the fist.
Basically take MMA then add weapon arts, military combatives, train to account for headbutts, biting, clothing, concrete, etc. But that's why I like jkd, that's basically what you're supposed to do
That's super cool that you've trained JKD! If you ever have footage of yourself, please send it my way!
'Raid self defense system' is a good system for knife defence it's got bites and butts ...
Now this is what I call self-defense training -- pressure training in extreme circumstances. Of course, it can't prepare you completely for a real life knife encounter, but hey, nothing can do that. If someone's out to kill you with a knife and running is not an option, distancing training, hand isolation, and practicing under intense pressure at least gives you a chance -- unlike most of the bullshido self-defense training out there. Good stuff; would love to see more of it.
I'm going to do a whole series pressure testing Nick Drossos' knife defense course, so definitely stay tuned for that. Also, connect with me on IG and tell me you want to see this type of video. I'll keep you in a list (like a combatives group on IG) so we can talk this stuff any time!
I like what Burton Richardson does as far as knife defense. Control the weapon hand, 2 on one. Also I like that he has trained with shock knifes adding a pain element to it.
As an MMA coach and an officer that teaches combatives and defensive tactics to fellow officers... they are both vastly different tactics and mindsets... with a common base and foundation of course... but the mindset HAS TO CHANGE when weapons are involved. Edged, impact, and projectile (firearms) change the landscape and mindset... coupled with team members, civilian collateral, multiple assailants make the fight a massively different fight. Never confuse the two... and train everything and train alive.
Really well done. Guy obviously knew a bit about locks and restraints. Definitely like the idea of striking simultaneously with tackling knife hand, as well as unbalancing. I was attacked with a knife once and definitely the strike and simultaneous knife restraint helped. Thing is, like most knife attacks, I didn't even know he had a knife at first (was cut about 3 times). I was very very lucky as cut on my neck wasn't deep. Like any combat situation, you can train to improve your chances, but your attackers determination and ability, and luck, have a massive part to play in your success.
No Bruno Orozco comments yet? he has a very complete self defense combat method, very well organised. I am in Argentina, far from his country Mexico, but I would train with him if I could. They do this stuff all the time, good practice. Also defense against different weapons and situations like kidnapping attempts. I learnt some traditional self defense techniques and those are not easy to apply at all, and some of them can actually get you killed. It better to just learn how to fight. Great video Jerry.
I learnt a fair bit from this video like how much of an effect unbalancing someone can buy you some time in a fight from them reajusting.
I love that all the martial arts Channels I follow are in the comments. Waves to Rokas and the Ausie gent
Fun fact, the reason why so many japanese styles have such a focus on arm control is because they were designed as battlefield styles that asumed your oponent had at least some kind ofnweapon... Be it a dagger, sword, whatever... You can actually see sumo throws like that... Amiuchi, kotenage, tottari etc... Are throws that look kinda like grecoroman wrestling... And are designed to throw someone who charges at you with a knife or sword
Judo has wakigatame, kote gatame, ude gatame... Bujinkan has those too but also have ganseki nage... Aikido has the weird wristlocks... All those are suposed to be for dealing with armed foes..."why focus do much on one arm if they have the rest of the body?" They have the kmife on that hand
Love this
I like your enthusiasm man, you make the interesting topic more interesting.
This is exactly what mma “haters” have been talking about for years. A controlled cage fight with rules is COMPLETELY different from a life and death situation in the real world. But for some reason, MMA fans think these fighters and these 3 fighting styles with hand picked techniques are the end all be all of fighting.
Weapons augment everything. That's a fact.
In a street fight. If a dude isn't immediately reaching for a weapon, he probably doesn't have one. If nobody has weapons, the better fighter will most likely win. It's not everything, but it certainly doesn't hurt to know how to throw a punch, kick, or even grapple a little.
Literally never seen an 'MMA hater' talk specifically about a situation where you are unarmed and someone with a knife is coming at you.
In all honesty, in that situation, you're basically fucked if you can't run. Doesn't really matter what martial art you're using.
LOL... The clip you showed at the end is literally my go-to defense against a knife attack, AKA run like a scalded cat.
Great video, FCB. Even a trained and experienced MMA guy has trouble against an assailant with the huge advantage of a bladed weapon. I remember having play fights with a dog to see if I could keep my hands out of its jaws while slapping it on the head (both of us were friendly with each other ... so nobody be calling the SPCA on me) He was just play-biting, and I was just tapping. It thought of it as a way to drill for the reaction speed you need in a knife scenario. The dog's reactions are way faster than a human, but his head is not as mobile as an arm with a knife... but it was a good way to test it out.
Long story short... he will eventually get his jaws on you. The lesson was, don't stick around to try and best the opponent with a much more lethal or damage inflicting weapon. You have to be "perfect", he does not.
That video with how to protect your self when some has a knife is so real and education cause I know it's not skill or power it's understanding what kind of fight you in at that moment I wish I saw you video before
Glad you found this video!
When I trained years ago, my sensei forced us to train against guns and knives.
After many months, he explained that you can't really win against a knife or gun... But until he forced us to train against it, we'd never realize it, which was the point.
But give me a stick and I'ma take your life if you got a knife
Wrong. You can defend against a gun far easier than a knife (depending on distance of course) and I'll give you a stick and give me a knife and lets see how you do. You might "win" but 100% you are getting cut. I'll put $$$ on it.
@@dragonballjiujitsu if you are lucky not to have your hands broken or severe brain damage.
@@kingkong8974 Lets test it! I teach at a small school in tennessee. PM me for address and details. If you can show me you can make it through an attack without getting cut I'll pay everything. Travel, hotel, rental car, food, and I'll put extra money on the line.
If I manage to land a cut you have to make a video that will be posted on instagram, twitter, facebook, tiktok and youtube under 6 different accounts stating your name, who you trained under and that what they taught you is complete bullshit along with a public apology to me. You lose you also pay for everything.
if you have a stick and I have a knife you're dead lol
@@JasTheGoose88 Exactly what I'm saying. I'm still waiting for ole boy to holla back at me on that one.
Look look for old dog brothers videos. Those have combative too. The fighters mostly have on fencing mask and some pads. Weapons used can be clubs, shock knives all sorts of things.
The best and foremost self-defense method is running. My old sifu made us run every day for a month before started to show us any move about fighting. He said if you can't run you better get a gun for self-defense instead.
I’ve done this type of training with my students and it is extremely difficult. The best strategy to follow, that I know of, is the “5 d’s plus 1:” Deflect, Dominate, Distract, Disarm and Destroy, with the plus one being the ever present control of distance.
Kind of scientific approach to fighting situations
Yeah, I really linked the MMA fighter's humbleness and ability to learn. That's why I had to feature him. I just hope he gets his own channel soon so we can promote him like we promoted Qi La La these past years.
Awesome video. Thank you!
The part where he runs away that's my style lol
Mine too!
@@FightCommentary 😁
@@ActivateLA If you're in LA, I would love to meet up with you. So far, the viewers of this channel that I've met are all awesome!
@@FightCommentary That would be awesome! I'm in LA,
Taking off the back pack would take time he doesn't have, meanwhile it protects the back from getting stabbed.
Great test for initial proof that sportive rule sets aren't the be all and end all.
Unfortunately, murderous intent and absolute focus on your death from the knife wielders perspective were not featured. That changes the game again. Absolutely terrifying.
Love it!! Especially the last self defense clip
Very interesting video Jerry, I will send this over to my instructor, loads we can learn from this!
Great video thank you so much for showing how we need to look at every aspect you could see simple technique Sig more complex technique but in the end it's raw and get it done
this is legit! the flashlight tactic was eye opening
In a street situation, your MMA guy would be dead 20 times, but then, nobody to say: "MMA DoEs NoOot WoOoOOoork"... Funny!
also when i was 18 i said i wanted to learn every martial art until someone told me just because you learn every fighting style does not make you invincible so im 21 and i still got time and when i said i have two options i meant it, option 1 i become a martial artist who trains in 5 of the best martial art fighting styles of all time which sanda,kyokushin karate,taekwondo itf,muay thai,combat sambo that are good and effective in self defence,street fighting and not only work in combat sport mma but have there respective combat sport and make money from them or option 2 i become not just martial artist but also fighter,boxer that trains in sanda,kyokushin karate,taekwondo itf,muay thai,combat sambo,bjj and boxing
or how about:
1 martial arts that cover both striking and grappling, standing up and ground fighting (MMA),
1 martial arts that emphasizing on street fight scenarios, weapon disarm (Krav Maga),
1 martial arts of weapon fighting (Eskrima).
I think that will provide a more complete combination.
@@wellsengrey4768 what you heard is what i will do
Really good clip like the angle, good stuff
I love this cuz nobody really experiments things like this. This can teach people a lot.
Exactly. That's why I had to show this to everyone!
@@FightCommentary yesss great video 👍 try to find more like these if this guy does more
@@ghilishcambino8336 Maybe this will inspire the fighter to do more. Or maybe I will get together with my buddies and try some too!
@@ghilishcambino8336 Also, if you do any safe experiments of this sort, please let us know too!
Some of us been doin it for a while now 🤫
this is super fascinating to see these simulations. a lot to think about. wold love to see more
The switching hands is so annoying in my experience doing this sort of sparring. Like I can think I've got them and have the knife arm controlled and then they'll just pick up the knife with their other hand and stab me.
Yeah, and very, very few knife defense training tests ever account for the switching of knife to other hand.
We did this 20 years ago,good training
Great video Jerry lots to think about in it !
You may like the Dog Brothers' Die Less Often series. The title says it all. Also goes over SLIGHTLY trained attackers that use the 'Sewing Machine'.
This stuff is so valuable! I wish there’s more on this and places to practice this. You’d think there would be ! Also someone send this to Icey mike he’d get a kick out of the tactical light
Yeah, Mike did tactical light tests too! I forgot the conclusion in his video.
Almost any Pekiti Tirsia Kali Gym should do stuff like this. Maybe there's one within acceptable distance to where you live?
@@WatchMysh I just found one! Thanks for the recommendation!
@@FightCommentary np. Hope you get something out of it. I just can speak of the European PTK approach, more precisely the German. I've had tons of green, blue and black bruises from pressure testing over the years...
What I really liked you mentioned is the fact that most "testing" is often done compliant or "full terminator" with trained people. Here's something: I usually ask the most unexperienced person to stab me first. It will most of the time be a completely random, uncontrolled stab/slice/cut whatever. This grants valuable insights and training, too, especially if you have some protective gear to go full force. Or you just skip MOST of the gear (not everything, keep the head protected please) and accept the pain and possible injury. Maybe it's a good idea to try this out at least one time to feel how someone defends with all they got. Or how to get "stabbed" by a solid piece of wood.
Thanks for this. People need a reality check
Great stuff
I dunno if the partner was "untrained" b/c he looked pretty fit. This is the reason I do Krav first. Fighting isn't synonymous with self-defense.
I can ask Haoyang more about the partner. He could have just been a guy at the gym. Lots of fit people don't know how to fight ;)
Is Krav synonymous with self-defense?
There is a lot that we can learn in martial arts. people need to study and experiment using different environments and scenarios, using parkour, tools, multiple opponents, clothes etc...
Great video. More people need to see this. I constantly see this debate in which a combat art or another should be the ultimate self defense miracle.. but it really doens't work like this in RL.
wow...this is a banger video
Excellent video! I recommend Christopher Hein's videos analyzing how aikido works, very useful for understanding how the presence of a knife changes everything and how different techniques make sense only for certain scenarios. No matter which martial art, it's always good to be very aware of what its scope is, what's the purpose of the techniques, and their limitations too. And of course, adding some proper training method and pressure testing is always a great idea. Thanks for the awesome content!
I think this is my favorite video!
If you have the time for it, bundle up your Tshirt like a hand wrap onto your lead hand. You will get cut/stabbed stepping into a fight regardless. This gives you a rudimentary shield. Also layered/bundled cotton is deceptively hard to cut. You can almost effectively grab the knife's blade if you had to, with minor cuts(all things considered).
One thing I notice though, is that batons and sticks weapons in general are really good defensive weapons. With some trainning you can even keep a knife wielding assailant at bay thanks to the extended range and unless you have malice intention, it is most likely you wont accidently kill your attacker in self defense. This was also the reasoning I heard on a discovery documentary where the shaolin monks explained why the first weapons they begin with are the sticks.
This is so in-depth! Great analysis.
Glad you enjoyed!
My problem with knife fighting sparring (and I saw it a lot in Krav Maga when I practiced) - people don't take it serious and do dangerous things that they wouldn't do in real life. Meaning, if someone smack you in the face with a stick - you're not just going to absorb it like nothing happened (like getting hit with a foam stick) and keep attacking (unless they're on drugs). That was my problem with Krav, it was too extremes - absolute compliance when training or when we did knife spar, it was taken lightly.
The only way to properly train, is with real pain compliance. Meaning, minimal protection (only mma gloves, minimal head protection, eye protection and mouth guard), with shock knives and actual kali sticks if you're training with them. All in or don't bother, since the likely-hood of a knife fighting scenario in real life is extremely low (unless you live in a bad part of London or in the military lol). This video from Burton Richardson sums up what I'm saying perfectly: ruclips.net/video/iw4ft1L5a3U/видео.html
we do this at our kali training ( strinking, grappling, different scenarios etc.) pressure testing is always good
Great video and analysis. I think one small flaw in the test is it can’t actually replicate what its like to be hit hard by a stick in the hand or the the face. From practical experience I know it hurts a lot. I’m not claiming that it would necessarily be enough to stop a knife wielder, but the pain would be more of an impediment than is demonstrated here. And if that stick caught the assailant in the eye they might even be half blind and at more disadvantage.