Resting Heart Rate + How The Heart Reacts To Different Activities.

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @antonpeterson1245
    @antonpeterson1245 7 лет назад +19

    Interesting insight into how quickly the heart reacts to slight movements. I was always curious why my HR would jump 20-30bpm from resting as I leave my home for a bike ride. This video answers my curiosity.

  • @coytus94
    @coytus94 3 года назад +17

    I have bad anxiety, and had a really bad panic attack that put my heart rate into what felt easily like 200bpm. It freaked me out and now I'm almost afraid everytime I try to work out to where my heart rate goes up that my heart might just go out of control and put me in another one lol.

    • @Mviews-cs8su
      @Mviews-cs8su 3 года назад +1

      Hey how are you now?

    • @coytus94
      @coytus94 3 года назад +2

      @@Mviews-cs8su I'm doing alright for the most part. Still have my bad moments but not as bad as when I had that bad panic attack. Still get kinda weary when exercising on the rare moments that I decide to lol, but I figure I do enough moving around at work that it counts as exercise lol

    • @michelita2704
      @michelita2704 3 года назад +1

      Me too! I'm sorry

    • @JR-rw7sl
      @JR-rw7sl 3 года назад +7

      Hi Joshua
      I have been suffering the same. My anxiety and panic attacks worsen my blood pressure and always its scary and extremely uncomfortable. I know there are many around who suffer the same like us. My prayer for all.

    • @regejs
      @regejs 2 года назад

      same been like this for 2years and only gets worse every day, i know my heart was good before because i exercised a lot, but know simple exercise like going up stairs makes my heart rate go up and i feel it and it gives me anxiety attack and it wears me down so much

  • @IlIKRATOSIlI
    @IlIKRATOSIlI 2 года назад +3

    Dude, you just made my day. The fact that you are fit makes it all that much better

  • @starfox4919
    @starfox4919 4 года назад +12

    Crazy to see how sensitive the heart can be

  • @K.Lovelace1968
    @K.Lovelace1968 11 месяцев назад +3

    HR sitting - 58
    HR standing - 68
    HR walking - 75
    But I have a stent in my heart also, so thats why mine is so good now, but before, it was really high whenever I would move like 110 - 120... My heart attack saved my life really...

  • @jayevan3295
    @jayevan3295 Год назад +4

    My heart rate just increased watching this video....

  • @axelfoley20
    @axelfoley20 6 лет назад +6

    I'm not even in as good a shape as I was years ago and my at rest is 60 bpm. When I was lean and in really good shape my at rest was 50 to 55 bpm. It's nice to know that my heat rate is that good compared to athletes who have not much better bpm at rest. You have to have a balance I find. You need to rest as much, if not more than you exercise, so nothing wrong with being lazy sometimes.

  • @omarvelazquez2859
    @omarvelazquez2859 3 года назад +25

    This dude is in shape my heart rate when walking around is like 120bpm

    • @rafaelzinhow97
      @rafaelzinhow97 3 года назад +13

      Me too bro, just walking normally my heart can go to 120/130bpm, if I walk climbing it jumps to 160/170 and just a little run I can get 190bpm... Im 24 sedentary for years maybe that's the problem

    • @ryancornell2780
      @ryancornell2780 3 года назад +3

      How old are you guys

    • @rafaelzinhow97
      @rafaelzinhow97 3 года назад

      @@ryancornell2780 24 years

    • @ryancornell2780
      @ryancornell2780 3 года назад +1

      @@rafaelzinhow97 same age as myself I get the same thing

    • @rafaelzinhow97
      @rafaelzinhow97 3 года назад +3

      @@ryancornell2780 I think it is anxiety and I don’t do exercise or walk every day

  • @NUNBETTER25
    @NUNBETTER25 9 месяцев назад +3

    sitting stranding had a 14 heart rate difference. supine to standing would be 20-25. He just be very fit and he had low sitting heart rate.57 but standing is 71.so he has a 14-15 diference.most people are between 70-85 resting so its normal to be from sitting to standing 15 so lets say average have 75 standing is 90.of course walking would be 110-120 and if it's brisk 130-140 is normal for average person

  • @matthewsponseller
    @matthewsponseller 7 лет назад +2

    Nice vlog, thought provoking! I kind of thought I was kind of unusual geeking out on this kind of thing, what you demonstrated is what I have observed in my self. My heart recovery rate over 2 min. is one of the things I use to judge my fitness ... listening and observing your own body is one of the best ways to learn and to understand your own state of health and level of fitness. I consider my self to be my own personal lab rat for learning what works and particularly what my body responds best to; be it training, food, or rest/recovery. Keep up the great vlogs, enjoy the variety of subjects and your insight!

  • @gregmgm06
    @gregmgm06 2 года назад +2

    Thank you so much for this video! I had heart issues a couple months ago. Seeing your heart rate #'s gives me a general idea where my HR should be. Obviously everyone has different HR's, but your video is very helpful anyway.

  • @span27
    @span27 3 года назад +2

    When i played football my hr was about 45 to 48 at rest. Now is about 60 at rest, but i don t play anymore. Don t stop athlete your body.

  • @FreeKekistann
    @FreeKekistann Год назад +4

    Ok, my HR hits 100 when I walk sometimes. Comforting seeing I’m not alone 😁. My neighbor told me that was abnormal so I’ve been worried ever since 😅

    • @makichas
      @makichas Год назад +1

      My HR can go up to 115 during a 1-1.5hr walk w my dog. The length it takes to go back to resting after exercise is more important imo.

    • @MasterSixx-n7i
      @MasterSixx-n7i Год назад +2

      Never listen to those people who think they know it all. My resting heart rate is around 55-67 and my heart rate depending on the time of day and how tired or stressed out I am. Will go to 100-110 at times just from walking or even getting out of bed or a chair. It's perfectly normal. If you have been at rest for some time. Your heart rate will get a lot higher when you start to exert yourself out of rest bc your body is warming up to ready your muscles to achieve the activity you are trying to put them through. All it is is your heart trying to pump more blood to your muscles so they have enough oxygen to achieve the tasks you're trying to do. Waking up in the morning. Both your heart rate and bp will be elevated bc it's the same idea. Your body will need more oxygen to break itself out of sleep inertia. Bc when you sleep. Your body is at complete rest and doesn't need no where near as much oxygen blood to stay in function which Helps your heart and other organs rest from keeping you alive all day. That's why sleep is so important and why you need to make sure you get a full cycle.

    • @FreeKekistann
      @FreeKekistann Год назад +1

      @@MasterSixx-n7i Thanks. It is usually in the mid 50s at night (fitbit) so seeing it higher walking really messed me up mentally and I noticed it is even higher when my sleep is bad.

  • @Issacas1166
    @Issacas1166 4 года назад +14

    I truly appreciate this video, was looking for something to compare mine to see what is normal and abnormal. Since my resting layinf in bed can be 60-70. Then sitting 70-80. But as soon I stand foes to 100, slow walking goes to 110-135 (which I think is too much just for walking) if I jog for a few it goes to 160’s, I’m only 31 years old and I’m sedentary, but I’m trying to improve.
    Other thing, when I stopp exercise let’s say my heart rate is 130, like in 15 minutes is 100, in 20 minutes is 80. But as soon I stand after resting it goes high to 130 again for like 10 minutes and then start decreasing again, is that normal?
    Cause I thought if I rested and it was 80, why it has to increase to 130 suddenly just for standing....

    • @ThePanshow10
      @ThePanshow10 4 года назад +13

      Your Heart BPM seems pretty normal especially when you mentioned your level of fitness. Continue working out and your bpm can improve in terms of lowering while at rest and how long it takes to stabilize after workouts. It’s normal for your heart rate to go up when you change positions. Like when you stand up or sit down. It’s what the heart does to make sure you have enough blood. It should go back to normal within a few seconds. If you think your bpm is abnormal or you feel any symptoms talk to your doctor. I’m not a professional but I have battle with heart rate anxiety at the same age it sucks but you will be ok. Good luck.

    • @dreym2347
      @dreym2347 4 года назад +4

      Take a look at a condition called POTS. I have it too and my HR when I lie down is 60-80 and when I stand it goes 120+.

    • @cuckoo-heartbeat
      @cuckoo-heartbeat 4 года назад +1

      Hi, my heart is very reactive too...

    • @AbdullahKhan-qc6qc
      @AbdullahKhan-qc6qc 4 года назад +3

      You might have pots and i think i have this same exact situation within 5 mins of moderate intensity of walking my heart rate is 140

    • @SlipRed5
      @SlipRed5 4 года назад +1

      Hi i know im late to the party, i dealed with the same problems like you, after 1 year walking from doc to doc, they found the problem. My heartrate was going up to 150 only standing and doing easy things. The problem by me was that i had almost zero kalium in my blood. Now im back and can exercising again.

  • @xmenotux
    @xmenotux Год назад +1

    Just the type of video I needed to see. But I'd also love to see the heart rate going up stairs.

  • @RobBastien
    @RobBastien 6 лет назад +2

    Fantastic tests, I'm definitely going to try that. My MAX HR is 170, resting is 53 but I don't think my recovery (on bike) is all that good.

  • @priyankapandamoni
    @priyankapandamoni 2 года назад +2

    Amazing process to make us understand. Thank you

  • @okuright
    @okuright 3 года назад +3

    Great video,straight to the point thank you so much for this.

  • @jasonrichards6398
    @jasonrichards6398 5 лет назад +5

    ex oarsman here still training at age 53 my max after a sqwat test with 50 kg 6 sets full sqwat 22 reps heart rate 182,, after 1 min rest 112 so thats a 70 drop in one min . just goes to show that rowing training holds you in good stead for middle age

  • @idhoppers
    @idhoppers 7 лет назад +7

    nice video, looks almost like i did some exercise myself xD

  • @benjaminhunt283
    @benjaminhunt283 7 лет назад +2

    That was a surprisingly good, interesting video. Your video's are always worth watching. Even my daughter(she's 10) likes them, and my wife. Thanks Danni.

  • @maiky_4120
    @maiky_4120 Год назад +3

    I know this probably doesn't belong here, but I want to ask. after covid I didn't exercise for a year and I'm starting slowly, I also had examinations where they confirmed that I'm healthy, I only suffered from high heart rate, that's why I want to ask. my current heart rate is 60-65 when lying down, 80-85 when sitting, and 95-100-105 when walking. whether it is a good pulse or still high. and the second question, after a load or at work or during exercise, I feel sick, feeling like vomiting. I'm breathing fine, no problems with that, so what could it be. well thank you

  • @javipapre5418
    @javipapre5418 3 года назад +1

    Amazing idea demonstrated . Thanks for the video

  • @luisnueces23
    @luisnueces23 2 года назад +1

    Can you do another video of heart rate? This is pretty relevant now since a lot of people including my self are having heart rate confusion. I see that you did some editing to the shorten the video upon standing it would be awesome if you just leve the video run on your heart rate upon standing to how high the heart rate really goes up. Thanks for the video is best I have seen for heart rate test.

  • @shubhampuri1786
    @shubhampuri1786 Год назад +2

    What the hell is wrong with me. My heart while resting is 63-68. But when i stand it goes upto 110 and it doesn't come down until i sit again. But as i sit it again goes down near 65. With intense cardio it goes upto 180. And while walking its around 110. My only problem is High heart rate when i stand up.

    • @ruthpujado6239
      @ruthpujado6239 Год назад

      does your heart rate drop immediately when sitting, like within seconds?

    • @shubhampuri1786
      @shubhampuri1786 Год назад +1

      @@ruthpujado6239 yes the increased heart rate due to standing goes down immediately after sitting / lying down

    • @shubhampuri1786
      @shubhampuri1786 Год назад

      @@ruthpujado6239 you also have this problem?

    • @ruthpujado6239
      @ruthpujado6239 Год назад

      @@shubhampuri1786 i do! do you exercise frequently? bc i don’t and it goes to the 60’s

    • @shubhampuri1786
      @shubhampuri1786 Год назад +1

      @@ruthpujado6239 yeah, I do exercise regularly. But you shouldn't worry about heart rate being in 60s . Actually the lower the heart rate better it is. It is generally considered that people with healthy heart have lower heart rate.

  • @DestinyC1020
    @DestinyC1020 2 года назад +6

    Wow.... you're such in good shape. Your resting hr is like 57 bpm. That's awesome! Mine is usually around 75-82. 🥴
    And with the amount of exercising you were doing, I know my hr would have easily reached up to at least 175 with that level of exertion. 😔😩
    I think I must have a heart problem. I think my heart rate is too fast for such little exertion. My hr can easily reach 118 when just LIGHTLY walking around the house! 😳

    • @MasterSixx-n7i
      @MasterSixx-n7i 2 года назад +1

      It is possible you could have a minor case of pots syndrome. Tho whether it's that or you're cardio fitness is a little below average. Cardio, salmon, and blue barriers are your best friend. I had a similar issue where my resting heart rate was always in the 80s and my heart rate would go up so fast when I got up from sitting or even sat up. Going up the stairs or brisk walking would tire me out easy. It would also take long after good exercise for my body to go back into rest. Like my heart rate would stay elevated for about 1 or 2 hrs before returning to rest. Tho now that I've been on my routine. I've seen my heart rate rest at 54 from time to time and is usually 65-70 and my endurance has gone way up to where I can maintain a heart rate under 160 when running and it doesn't take so long for my body to return to rest after super active days which really helps with my sleep. Just keep working with it and it'll come together. The heart is an amazing muscle.

    • @wildrouseacer
      @wildrouseacer 2 года назад +4

      @@MasterSixx-n7i dude its fucking normal...my hr while resting is between 60 to even 90 100 so normal..and while walking i have around 100s 110 s even in 120s bpm..so its normal ! I daw pots people they have even 180 hr just after walking a bit ! Thats not pots its a normal hr...

    • @MasterSixx-n7i
      @MasterSixx-n7i 2 года назад

      @@wildrouseacer depending on how active or stressed you are throughout the day. 80 and 90 is normal. You're technically alright unless you're sitting down resting and your heart rate is constantly above 100.

    • @mick7260
      @mick7260 2 года назад +1

      @@MasterSixx-n7i I have a question about that. I’m a 18 y/o boy who is concerd of having pots. Just found out what pots is last week. When I’m at rest, my heart rate can be 70/60 for example, and then when I stand up it spikes almost everytime to 110/120. And then always stays at like 100 while standing. Never to 70/80s.
      Now I don’t sport for 2 years, since I have a generalized anxiety disorder. Can it be just that I am out of condition, or can it be pots?? (I can walk for hours tho and I’m not overweight).
      You think it’s pots or decondition?

    • @matthewespinosa7250
      @matthewespinosa7250 2 года назад +1

      @@mick7260 same what's ur socials I'm glad I'm not the only one

  • @UngdommensMonopol
    @UngdommensMonopol 4 года назад +2

    Very informative. Nice background music. Thanks

  • @abandonedamusement208
    @abandonedamusement208 2 года назад +2

    If I do 12% incline at 3.5 mph I can get up to 174

  • @youngboyrapper8814
    @youngboyrapper8814 3 года назад +1

    Sir can heart change from directly 75 to 65 in two or 3 seconds ,if this happens why the beat change is not noticed by us??

  • @prolikereal2
    @prolikereal2 2 года назад +3

    55. Lie Down
    57 sit
    70 stand
    Above not my reading
    Im narrating the guy reading

    • @tstew6085
      @tstew6085 9 месяцев назад

      How old are you?

  • @Stek40Channel
    @Stek40Channel 2 года назад +1

    To reach your pulse after 5 minute recovery takes me hours after a long bike ride. Today I tested it and right after I got home and started resting it was 120. After 20 minutes it was 105. After another 30 it was 90. And after 3-4 hours 80. I hope I find more info what is normal.

    • @SiddharthRay1
      @SiddharthRay1 2 года назад +2

      my normal hear rate is 70 to 72, but while excercing , today i check and it took me 30mins to reach below slighthly below 100 from 135, while it get dip to 120 in 1 mins, then came around 112 after 5 mins and then from there it was fluctuating between 102 to 108 for 30 mins then finally it come below 100

    • @Stek40Channel
      @Stek40Channel 2 года назад

      @@SiddharthRay1 yes very similar. But actually it changed for me. I started biking a lot and eating protein and low carb food. The recovery improved and my resting hr was around 60. The last weeks I stopped and the resting hr is at 70 like you.

    • @SiddharthRay1
      @SiddharthRay1 2 года назад

      @@Stek40Channel you are right, actually i started workout after long time, and today was my second day, i hoping to improve my cardio in few weeks and then I believe it HR will come dowb quickly after workout sets.

    • @JaatLostInFrance
      @JaatLostInFrance 24 дня назад

      I think it's normal. How long you did exercise also decides how fast your heart rate goes to normal. Whenever I do long run for one hour, it takes an hour for me to go back to normal but when I do a very short one, it takes quicker to return back.

  • @noobiedooby26
    @noobiedooby26 Год назад

    Can my heart rate jump and move.... because i twitch a lot while i do my desk job (i have adhd)... legs jump etc...?

  • @kh3ddy376
    @kh3ddy376 2 года назад +7

    I just realised that my heart rate increases when I stand up compared to when I'm sitting/laying down. I have a resting hr of 60 but when I stand up it's about 100 or more. Is it normal? Should I go to the doctor?

    • @IlIKRATOSIlI
      @IlIKRATOSIlI 2 года назад +7

      Normal

    • @weeziii8193
      @weeziii8193 2 года назад +4

      If your heart rate increases with 30or above when you change position, you could be having POTS. Especiallly if you feel Dizzy standing up or often Shortness of breath. Google POTS.

    • @darlaDivina4ever
      @darlaDivina4ever 2 года назад

      Did you take the shot?

    • @yahiaouiimadeddine8957
      @yahiaouiimadeddine8957 2 года назад

      @aussie114
      The same happens to me. Is it a medical condition? If so, is it treatable?

    • @mick7260
      @mick7260 2 года назад +1

      @aussie114 if that’s the case if ur heart rate drops when leaning down with your head, does that mean you have pots? I’m kinda worried. Resting heart rate can be 60, and the seccond I stand up it spikes to 120s and 110s. When I stand then for a moment it goes to 100, but not really below that.

  • @tstew6085
    @tstew6085 9 месяцев назад

    This video helped me so much

  • @komodrabo1284
    @komodrabo1284 2 года назад +2

    Sir I am having panic attacks most of night.. When I went to ecg it said sinus tachycardia.. Doctor said ecg is fine.. N echocarduograph came out fine too.. They referred me to pshyciatrist but psychiatrist is out of station for weeks.. I have fear of heart attack and heart failure if I don't meet psychiatrist soon.. What should i do sir ?

    • @IlIKRATOSIlI
      @IlIKRATOSIlI 2 года назад

      Sinus Tach is just a normal heart beat above 100.

    • @komodrabo1284
      @komodrabo1284 2 года назад

      @@IlIKRATOSIlI so my heart is fine ?

    • @IlIKRATOSIlI
      @IlIKRATOSIlI 2 года назад

      @@komodrabo1284 I am not a doctor so I can't say that for 100pct, but if he/she said that the ECG and Echo is fine, then yes you heart is fine.

    • @sarnish2369
      @sarnish2369 2 года назад

      Could be a withdrawal if u know wht i mean....

    • @sarnish2369
      @sarnish2369 2 года назад

      i could feel u brother 😂😂😂 but if u have been on certain drugs for a while and when u go cold turkey on it then this is a very normal thing ur body would react to..if that happens to be in ur case then relax dude ur body is recovering.... 😌

  • @nizamuddinahmed5366
    @nizamuddinahmed5366 4 года назад +1

    Excellent video thanks

  • @AJAYPATANGEAP
    @AJAYPATANGEAP 3 года назад +2

    Very informative video...bro..

  • @123Hoops
    @123Hoops 2 года назад +2

    am i healthy my heart goes 85 bpm when i relax

  • @udaymj
    @udaymj 7 лет назад

    Very nice video man!! Gets me wondering?

  • @noobiedooby26
    @noobiedooby26 Год назад

    My hrh is low to but..... thinking about to rest to see it low.. impossible i cant look at it haha

  • @rustybottomboys156
    @rustybottomboys156 3 года назад +10

    My heart rates literally 155 just standing up smh I want to get into shape

    • @salefor3392
      @salefor3392 3 года назад +4

      Me to just when I standing up 120 ,after corona infection about 5 months in this situation, i try do some exercises to decrease it

    • @angielopez1286
      @angielopez1286 3 года назад +4

      You could have a developed POTS

    • @gijoe5313
      @gijoe5313 3 года назад

      do you get dizzy when standing up ?

    • @PR4SAN
      @PR4SAN 3 года назад +2

      @@chandravahinichaudhary4426 hey how are you now? Did it improve? I am post covid 4 months still same issue.

    • @PR4SAN
      @PR4SAN 3 года назад +1

      @@salefor3392 did it improve with time?

  • @cuckoo-heartbeat
    @cuckoo-heartbeat 2 года назад

    Nice video! Would love to hear the sound of you pounding heart during and after this workouts...

  • @micbanand
    @micbanand 7 лет назад +1

    looks like I am pretty simular, only differens. my low is 42-45. I think my fitness is a bit worse than yours. age 39 181cm 87 kilo

  • @sherryshalok4403
    @sherryshalok4403 4 года назад +1

    Nice one

  • @aeygey90
    @aeygey90 3 года назад +5

    Im slow walk 100+. Imscared 😭

    • @SweatSquad8
      @SweatSquad8 2 года назад +1

      Don’t push yourself to the limit just do as much as you can day by day until you’ve got the stamina to last longer.

    • @haileyanderson7870
      @haileyanderson7870 2 года назад +3

      Same! It just takes time to get it to go down. Mine was about 140 walking normal and with time now it's about 110.

    • @SalmaLd
      @SalmaLd 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@haileyanderson7870my walking heart rate is 110-120bpm is that normal?

    • @haileyanderson7870
      @haileyanderson7870 11 месяцев назад

      @@SalmaLdyes absolutely!

  • @KarasuCosplay
    @KarasuCosplay 3 года назад +5

    Very interesting.
    If i stand Up m'y Heart rate Up to 120 bpm and more lol l'm not in physical form i Think so 😅😅 m'y cardiac condition is bad
    He is at 75 bpm at rest.

    • @North-east460
      @North-east460 3 года назад +4

      When I'm sitting my heart rate is most of the time below 80 and it is above 100 or sometimes near 100 when I'm standing.

    • @KarasuCosplay
      @KarasuCosplay 3 года назад

      @@North-east460 it depend of persons i Think so 🤔

    • @wlfgang
      @wlfgang 3 года назад +1

      It's called POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome

    • @KarasuCosplay
      @KarasuCosplay 3 года назад

      @@wlfgang oh Yeah?

    • @haileyanderson7870
      @haileyanderson7870 2 года назад +1

      Yeah my resting heart rate is around 85-95. When I get up and start waking it's about 115 sometimes 120. When I speed walk it's about 155-185.

  • @Rohan7tichie
    @Rohan7tichie 3 года назад +1

    God bless you bro...

  • @carljr7692
    @carljr7692 3 года назад +1

    Music: Ticker - Silent Partner

  • @koharu8066
    @koharu8066 Год назад +1

    My hr while standing up is 140-150 💀

  • @rampagewok8312
    @rampagewok8312 2 года назад +1

    My resting heart rate is 55 to 60 but when I wanna go to sleep I count my heart rate would be 44 to 60 is that normal? To be know I'm playing home sports like hits sports and rope jumb with some weight training for 30 minutes to 45 minutes

    • @MrPartch
      @MrPartch 8 месяцев назад

      yes it is completely normal

  • @amuqi8025
    @amuqi8025 11 месяцев назад +2

    God is great

  • @Doriesep6622
    @Doriesep6622 2 года назад

    I have a resting heart rate of 65 to 70. Maximum effort on my bike it never goes past 154. I am seventy three. When I was in my 40s my max HR was 183. Not sure what this means.

    • @daddydankmemes6260
      @daddydankmemes6260 2 года назад

      very normal. Your max heart rate goes down the older u get

  • @umakantgairola7726
    @umakantgairola7726 3 года назад

    Very good

  • @youngboyrapper8814
    @youngboyrapper8814 3 года назад +1

    I am your regular viewer ,please reply if possible .

  • @aeygey90
    @aeygey90 3 года назад +1

    I love thissss

  • @tomhansen4130
    @tomhansen4130 7 лет назад

    I almost never comment on anything. Nice video!

  • @yashsharma9373
    @yashsharma9373 4 года назад

    is ok you okay

  • @cuckoo-heartbeat
    @cuckoo-heartbeat 4 года назад +1

    Next time you could try to reach you maximum heart rate please...

  • @janpauwels
    @janpauwels 7 лет назад +3

    resting HR should be measured in bed after waking up

    • @anymanusa
      @anymanusa 7 лет назад +3

      janpauwels says who? I like his experiment and he doesn't need any "officials" to preside over it.