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This story was written by Dj pooh who was putting a message in the story. The scene when sweet gets released was a great performance. It was a real life perspective of the ghetto. With that being said RIP Nipsey. He had the same mentality as sweet
@TheProfessional my cousin got his gta 5 online account wiped for no absolute reason do you have any advice on what to do ? Keep up the amazing videos btw
I don’t care how screwed and messed up my hometown is, if I’m offered a way out, I’m taking it and leaving for good and never coming back, but for Sweet he did the exact opposite because CJ literally offered him a better/wealthier lifestyle and yet he still wants to settle things in the Gang.
Some people cling heavily onto where they grow up even if it isn’t a good area. People like sweet are very frustrating because they try to hold everyone back . If you get to look for a better life they get angry at you for it .
I agree with you and see where you can go with it, but if I went through the same things like Sweet I would be the same; to an extent I wouldn't let go until I got the job done The job being finding out who killed my mom and taking out the gangs involved like CJ did.
What can be the type of stuck up arrogant mindset what can get you killed there was a reason why a lot of rappers who used to live in the hood and made music in the late eighties or nineties wanted to get out of the ghetto
Sweet doesn’t really know that Carl got him out of jail when he got out he said on the phone idk what happen they just released me and Carl never tells him about toreno and what he did so sweet doesn’t really know
Yeah plus the dudes who don't wanna move out the hood don't wanna do so because they don't wanna leave others behind to suffer it's guilt for sure but if you don't have the people you loves back what do you really have?? You can't take money with you when you die but you can bring memories with you..
@TheProfessional Sweet notices how CJ is changing big mansions cars etc. It's not about him it's about You/CJ. You/CJ went from normal person too scarface very fast. When CJ said big mansion this luxury it gave sweet impression that CJ is getting spoiled that materialism is getting to him
Yeah thats a good point. He was in jail the whole time and who is to say that Torrino (or whoever he sent) had an obligation to tell Sweet that it was all CJ. It's supposed to be a covert operation from Torrino's end and it would probably make things worse if Sweet found out that CJ basically turned to the Feds for assistance. Even if he had no choice (which he didn't). And if CJ did tell Sweet, there would had been no way to make the reasoning not sound like he cut a deal with the cops or betray The Grove as Sweet would say. Plus, Torrino or his superiors would had to kill CJ incase anything he did say could be linked back to them. How long can you last with a permanent 5-6 star wanted level?
My suspicion rose during the homecoming mission. If you remember when sweet phoned carl when cj thrown into angel pine (i forgot the part, but i think the call happen between angel pine - san fierro part) sweet sounded like he already gave up on everything. Then after the mission outrider which toreno looked for cj's identification the next thing in "homecoming" is, sweet suddenly got his spirit (and temper) back! What a strange comeback! xD
@@PeninsulaCity2024 The thing is CJ didn't need to bring in the feds when discussing his attempts to bail Sweet out of jail. He could have just simply told Sweet that he made all the money from his business empires in San Fierro and Las Venturas, not to mention how he became Madd Dogg's manager in the first place. So there was really no reason for CJ to not explain what he did to bail Sweet out of jail.
Yea that's really stupid how he says that and we help Grove Street so much then we get told we haven't done anything 🤦. I noticed it's really Sweet not doing anything for Grove and always Sweet getting into trouble then we have to get him out of it
There are so many times I wanted CJ to stand up for himself and actually explain properly to Sweet the things he did to help him, all the stuff he had to go through just to get him out.
What CJ did for toreno was basically extended black ops. He cannot tell sweet about them. If sweets gets to know at all, toreno will probably have sweet abducted and vanish into thin air. What's to say toreno wasn't watching carl even after Carl was done working for him
The city sizes in gta are realistic to them because they haven't left that same radius in 6 years. Actually as I think about it all 3 cities in gta sa feel huge compared to the single city we got in gta 5
@@Huddy52 its probably because the fog so you can never see the whole city at once. But i have to agree even though all im pretty sure the San Andreas map can fit in the GTA 5 map it does feel bigger.
Shit still pisses me off everytime i beat San Andreas and I’m on my 10th time like boy CJ did everything for the hood and family while you was gone show some respect
@@someonedifferent4116 cj had to leave tho. he was in liberty city going legit and as soon as he went back to the hood they got him back into fuck shit
Being from the hood myself I grew up around a lot of people like Sweet. That stay put in the same place and have no interest in exploring the rest of the world. Couldn’t be me I joined the Army right after high school and got the opportunity to travel to several countries overseas and don’t regret it one single bit. There’s definitely more to life than your hood.
Is it because of lack of interest in exploring or is it loyalty and trying to preserve some sense of dignity when faced with overwhelming odds? Because I can relate to Sweet's idea. I'm Eastern European and I don't necessarily have an attachment to a neighbourhood, but I do have one towards my country. Even if I'd travel elsewhere, I could never leave it forever. I have an American friend who has suggested the possibility of me moving to the US (the visa process would be a hassle, but I could probably get one, I have 3 friends over there who could probably guarantee for me to the embassy)... But I know, I could never become a US citizen... I would feel like a fish out of water. It's not my land, my very presence there would feel unfair. And it would feel like betraying my country and giving up on it when it needs me the most, so I couldn't take that oath with a clean conscience. I don't blame those who left, but I couldn't do it. I go down with the ship. I get that there might be more to life, but the country itself is more important than me. I have to work to fix it. And this mentality is indeed a sort of refuge, truth be told, I know that for someone in the West, my country is something to look down on, but even though we have little power or money... it feels like hanging on to some shred of dignity when you're not respected. We don't have the power of the West, but we have this: the land beneath our feet. It's not much, but it is ours. Yes, our flag isn't the easily recognisable and respectable star-spangled banner, but it's our blue-yellow-red tricolour. It's not much, but it is ours. I get the sense that for Sweet, it's similar. He feels disrespected by a hostile world, so he hangs on to the little things he has: the land beneath his feet and his colours.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Fair enough, speaking on the people I know personally, I think it’s an unwillingness to step out of their comfort zone as well as complacency. I decided to join the Army because I always wanted to travel and never saw myself living in my hometown for the rest of my life. There’s not much opportunity there, a large portion of the locals have low paying blue collar jobs, so it’s easy for the younger generation to resort to crime in attempt to get ahead in life. My family personally didn’t have a lot of money so they couldn’t afford to send me to college and I didn’t have the best grades or was a star athlete in high school so I didn’t exactly have many scholarship offers at my door. It was the best opportunity for me as far as stability, travel and further pursuing my education. Not to say that there’s anything wrong with wanting to stay in your hometown. I completely understand your perspective and respect it. I still love my home regardless of all the negativity. You seem to know what your goals are and want you want out of life. Stay committed and one day you or those that come after will experience the work you put in to improve your community 💯
In my opinion, another example of Sweet's old school mind is when he buys the exact same Greenwood car, which was destroyed in the mission,' Reuniting the Families', when CJ could easily afford a much better car, and when asked about it, he just says don't fix if it is not damaged. I think the reason Rockstar made this vehicle mandatory to enter and not any other random vehicle, is to give us a hint of Sweet's character.
Sweet’s desire to stay and fix things in the hood is actually very rich of him, he was offered a way out and still did the exact opposite of what most people would do. He annoyed CJ a lot, but he had a point and a great objective, imagine how much he, with his decisions and CJ’s balls, improved the lives of the residents of Grove Street by taking out drugs and Tempenny
In the end, it didn't amount to much. Seeing as how in GTA V, GSF fell apart and all the other OG's moved on, allowing the Ballas to take over. ruclips.net/video/pQ2kL8aMjvc/видео.html
Well CJ did most of the work. Sweet could’ve did something during those 5 years but didn’t. It wasn’t until CJ where things started turning around for the better.
I think its a wider social commentary on the hood. Being an "egoist" and leaving like CJ or staying and trying to fix the hood like Sweet. I also think that touches on how bad places like hoods are self-fulfilling prophecies - all the good, smart, driven people move away, so there is noone left to fix the mess.
Sweet's mentality is pretty easy to understand. He grew up in Grove Street, saw the rest of his siblings grow up in Grove Street, met most of his lifelong friends and fellow gang members in Grove Street. For him, it's home no questions asked. It might be a shitty place, but as far as he's concerned it could be a lot worse and wants to make sure it never does get to that point. And like you said, it's where the Johnson siblings mother came from and died in. Sweet already feels bad enough that she died in a hit & run clearly meant for him, he probably feels like he'd be abandoning her too if he ever left the area. Not to mention that I don't think we've ever heard much of the Johnson siblings' father. Looking back on "The Introduction" video, CJ actually says he never knew his dad. If he isn't dead, then I can assume he might have ran away from his responsibilities as the patriarch of the family to do his own thing. If true, then it might be why Sweet is so against the idea of leaving Grove Street since he might think it'd make him no better than his dad. There's also the fact that Sweet probably thinks like he'd turn into someone like Smoke or Tenpenny if he ever leaves. In a quote taken from Red Dead Redemption "Power is like drink. The more you have the more you want it. And there's few men who could handle it". Sweet's no doubt capable of becoming a success like CJ if he ever puts his mind to it, but he clearly doesn't want to go down that path likely because he thinks he'd lose his roots and become an even worse criminal than he already is and thinks CJ might end up that way too. All that aside, there's the obvious fact that Sweet's just plain stubborn and too old-school to even think about trying something new outside of the Grove. CJ might have turned out the same if he never left for Liberty City and thus got a taste and experience for life outside.
late reply, but another factor for his attitude might be this: he never knew about everything CJ did for his sake. as far as he knows, after the incident that got him arrested, CJ ran away and left him to his fate, only coming back when he was released. the only thing CJ could provide him with directly in the meantime is reassuring phone calls. from sweets POV, CJ comes off as a fairweather friend who backs off when things get difficult
Loyal character but horrible leader. I understand because he's loyal to the gang & his family but bro you can't be gang leader let shit crumble around you
@@Underworlder5 Sweet knew CJ couldn’t be in LS, Sweet knew CJ was with Cesar protecting Kendl. Carl told him he was going to get him out of there, and he did. Then, Sweet gets all mighty when Carl offers to buy him some clothes, just clothes and he gets pressed. He says his main responsibility is the hood and even asks CJ what he’s done for the hood, when it was CJ who single handedly recover the hood after Sweet’s dumb ass let it break apart. It’s Sweet’s fault that the GSF got like that in the first place, it’s his fault his best friends and second in command betrayed him right under his nose. CJ had to come and fix Sweet’s mistakes, and now Sweet thinks he has the right to recriminarte CJ for being successful and taking opportunities outside the hood. Sweet knew he was a loser compared to CJ and he couldn’t stand that. CJ had everything so Sweet clung onto what he had to not feel as bad, he clung onto the hood as his last resort to feel like he was someone. And Sweet is too dense to think outside of the box. Instead of thinking the casino could be an opportunity to help the hood, he rejects everything because he wants to do things his way. Sweet doesn’t care about the hood, all he cares about is being the one in charge. Sweet is loyal, but his loyalties are in the wrong place, he’s a bad leader and without CJs help the hood is gonna come crumbling down again. I don’t doubt CJ, Kendl and Cesar moves out of LS and kept their business, leaving Sweet to ruin the hood again. I think that’s why in GTA V the GSF are almost extinct, because Sweet ruined things again and CJ was too tired to come fix them.
You're missing one crucial point. The reason Sweet treats CJ like that is because he never knew what CJ went through to get him out of prison,Toreno wouldn't allow CJ to tell the jobs he did for him to Sweet. Discretion is key in these situations,they're basically covert operations.
Even without the crazy Toreno jobs sweet knows Carl kept Kendle safe and he should know about Carl infiltrating and wiping out the loco syndicate . That got a lot of the drugs off the streets in Los Santos but never acknowledges cj for it .
I disagree as he can tell Sweet, Sweet wont go out and tell others my brother is doing covert operations, and I agree with The Professional at least know that Drugs were reduced and Kendl was safe because of CJ
True,in reality he is most vulnerable in the hood because every enemy knows where he's at,just like they already did try to murder him with the green sabre. In reality the ballas,vagos and the rest of the gangs are just lowlifes that live in crack houses and shitholes meanwhile CJ would've offered him a way better life
Yhhh its true i think w/ sweet its one of them ones where he rather go w/ the devil you know as oppose to the devil you don’t. He feels a lot safer in the hood because he knows the potential scenarios that could occur and is well aware of his surroundings. That’s why he’s still alive x well.
I think there's another aspect to Sweet that isn't touched on much: he feels responsible for the hood, and he feels that if you enter the gang, you are responsible as well. Because if you're in a gang, especially the Families, you do what you do to help out the hood. And he thinks that if you leave the hood, you're leaving all the other people who are struggling behind, while staying and robbing people to get the money means actually contributing to the wellbeing of the people in the hood. This is why he says "You're talking like smoke right now", and why he feels like he and his family can't leave Grove Street: as the leaders of the Families, it's their job to provide for their community, and no millionaire ever did that from the comfort of a mansion.
The thing about that is while his reasoning on paper is good. His method of carying out that goal is highly ineffective. He went a whole five years, stumbling over his “leadership” losing territory and watching as the crack epidemic took over before his brother came back and fixed everything by putting most of it on his back. He did not have any reliable way of seeing that dream come to fruition instead of what he should’ve done is actually do stuff to help his head from a different standpoint like buying a properties giving people opportunities if you don’t do that in the hood and it stays the way that it is then eventually people are gonna try to leave and seek out other opportunity
I understand sweets mentality. I had a problem with that when I was in the hood. One day I got jumped along with allot of other kids.. when we were all done getting beat up, we all gathered up and made deep friendshipships and we made plans to return fire on them next time they hurt 1 of us. We started hanging out in dark areas and where people like us would get hurt to mark our territory.. we shot up places, under age drank, had a fight club, had ego problems etc. Because we were pretty much raising ourselves and our only inspiration were cheating moms and gangster dads.. If you picked on 1 of us, we would relentlessly make ur life hell as a group and risk our own lives. We already felt like we were risking our lives everyday just existing in a public space, and sometimes even inside our own homes with break ins and drive bys. so risking our lives for "something" or someone else made it feel allot better and somehow "safer". Standing for something made me feel like I had a purpose at the time. I wouldn't say that it was loyalty to a specific plot of land, but I felt a loyalty to the product of the environment. I felt like I needed to be there for the people who couldn't get out themselves, because there was allot of people like me who died there and didn't get lucky like I did. When I was a youngin I remember we had this tough guy mentality that if we are in a horrible situation then you MAKE it better. Like if you're broke - you work. if you're hungry - you hunt. If your environment is shit, you work to make that shit better. If ur neighbor is weak, you teach him to fight with u, if your neighbors on Crack, you stop Crack from getting there in the first place for the future children, if you're get rich, then you give like Akon did to Africa lol. Our natural tendencys growing up in an area where we are at a disadvantage (or not comfortable in the situation) is to RUN. People freeze, run away and never come back or hide forever. And IF you do that, then you are dead or atleast pretty much dead in our eyes.. So the reason we would look down on that "weakness" is to promote a strong mentality that will keep you alive. Its what we call "tough love". So that's what I think sweet is pretty much try to Carl on his comparison to big smoke. He's looking down on the "weak" mentality and saying that Carl and him are similar in that way. He's saying when things get hard, then they want to run away and find a better life rather than make it better themselves. Although I see why that mentality is bad and how it can be misunderstood, I'm glad I had that mentality to keep me going through my parents not being there and growing up with a terminal illness (to wich I was supposed to die at 8 years old). Now that im in a better place and i love my family, I look back and just see that we were all just kids wanting to be happy.. we were fighting eachother and ourselves. A few people had something horrible happen to their lives and it spread like a disease. Just an endless cycle. I made peace with most of my demons. It sounds corny but its real.. the worst about my terminal disease is not that I cant stand up all the time, I can't follow my dreams without even bigger sacrifice, or that I'm in pain 24/7. But its living with myself knowing all these things.. its wanting to exercise the pain away and not being able to get up. It's feeling to stressed to sleep at night and too energized and angry at myself.. but anyway. Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about or this is too long to read so I'ma stop now lol
@Phil Barnes wow chill tf out bro. 1 I was joking. I thought that would be obvious since there’s no GTA stories for that game. Second DONT CALL ME NO NIGGA. I’m not ur nigga or homie or whatever u call it so please don’t call me that fucked up word
Not an old way of thinking but more of sweet’s POV everyone you grew up with is dying or hooked on crack and your closest friends and family does their best to abandon the place without trying to fix it yeah I’d be pissed off at everyone as well.
@@chamllis I'm glad you get it. He built everything in his home and CJ left once after Brian died and Sweet didn't know CJ was doing stuff to get him out. The way he just popped out saying everything he did outside of the Grove. The average person who goes through this game cares mainly about accruing wealth in the game. But it a question of what drives you to get up every day. Sweet wants to protect his home no matter one, lived in green, buried in green. CJ is about moving up. Notice that he came into town with just blue jeans and a wife beater. Its a clean slate. But throughout the game, he does his jobs and makes money outside the hood cause the hood ain't gon pay him.
You're right but in a way he might have felt that he can watch over him and Kendl. Cause remember their brother and their mother already died and their dad left them or already was dead I don't really don't about their dad but I guess Sweet doesn't want to lose what's left of his family. It's clear that yeah he gets mad of Cj for getting out of the hood but he's not really holding Cj back cause Cj himself decided not to argue with his brother and took back their hood from the Ballas just so he gets some love from him. It's also true that he might've gotten mad at Cj for leaving the hood but never treated him like an enemy of some sort. TheProfessional caught Sweet's mindset spot on. He doesn't treat Cj like an enemy but shows mass disapproval/disappointment in him
Keep in mind there's a difference between understanding why someone behaves this way and sympathizing with them. So while I do understand why Sweet behaved this way, I still can't sympathize with him, because he's very ungrateful towards CJ after his brother busted his ass trying to bail his stubborn ass out of prison, he's very hypocritical, and he unfairly compares CJ's ambitions to get out of the hood to Big Smoke selling the gang out for money even though they're nowhere remotely the same thing. And after everything CJ did for him, Sweet still calls him a perpetrator and claims CJ was doing everything for himself. So no. Sweet still deserves no sympathy for his ungratefulness and hypocrisy.
I always considered Sweet as the leader of the grove street families and I understood his position as leader and was never really angry at sweet, he has his way of seeing things and his life is focused on saving the grove from drugs that aint too bad
"Sweet is incorruptible" Sweet was litterly about to smoke crack had cj not came in time When sweet brought a hooker in the house In the intro of Beat Down on B Dup mission.
Just like Ardi said its more of a breaking point. I didn't see him being corrupted in that scene only giving up he even says that later in the mission.
Especially when you’re an adult and have a different perspective on life. I was 16 when San Andreas dropped. I didn’t realize how deep and detailed this game is.
@@TheBlackScatPack Damn. I was 6 when the game came out, but I remember playing that game all the time at 6 years old lol I’ve beaten the game soooo many times, replayed missions & all that. I’m almost 23 now, & i’m still learning so much more about this game, when i thought i knew everything about this game already. & that’s why this game is my favorite game of all time. The developers did a phenomenal job with the game, from voice acting, to the detailed story line.
I still remember getting it on launch a little bit over 16 years ago. It is still the most complete GTA title (Story Mode only) to me largely because of the narrative, the variety of vehicles and mission,the three distinct cities as well as the little communities in between.
Bc he's stuck. It's a common mentality in the hood from ppl like this. He grew up there and doesn't want to leave. He's possibly scared of adapting and also going to a new area. Edit: I'm from the hood so I'm not speaking out of my ass on this in case anyone thought I'm one of those weirdos who speaks on shit they could never relate to lol
@@theprofessional155 Yeah but I think slowly but surely Sweet did accept CJ's newer lifestyle though. In the later missions we can see him being present in Madd Dogg's mansion alongside the others, and he also starts taking interest of who CJ was hanging around with back in his absence (like in the Riot Mission when Sweet asked CJ about Paul and Maccer).
I grew up in the South Bronx, and everything Frank said is right on. Sweet's stuck in that stupid 'hood4life' mindset, which is limiting and self-destructive. CJ had the common sense approach - the world is bigger than the 'hood'. In order to better your situation, you have to be a part of it.
What I really hate Sweet for most is that Carl does manage to break out of that locked in mindset and can leave "the hood" behind him, but Sweet keeps pulling him back in and down to his level. It's because of people like him that gangs prevail and the "circle of violence" simply for being born in a certain area of a town continues.
Sweet is the person that made Families take back Grove Street and kill Big Smoke. If Sweet said: "Yes CJ, let's go to Las Venturas!", Grove Street would be under Ballas control forever. He is not that bad, he just cares about the gang he leads.
@@smerfdzikus2334 The question is, would that be worse? Sure Grove Street doesn't push drugs but they still follow the same gang mentality where beating someone up for "wearing the wrong colors" is acceptable and murder for anything they want is as well. I don't want to tout something like "morals" but any gang that operates that way is in the wrong, and pulling someone who managed to break out of that mentality back in is a dick move, and Sweet's entire mentality is that that nobody should ever leave it.
@@DanielKay06 Yes but if you leave a hood or a group of friends (especially when you are their leader) that you grew up with just because you can live wealthier somewhere else, you don't do the good thing. Loyalty is important, even in gang, you can not just leave people that like and trust you. I am not saying that Grove Street is better than Ballas (in fact, they are doing the same shit, maybe except drugs), but I think Grove Street members wouldn't approve Sweet going away from them.
@@smerfdzikus2334 Well if that "group of friends" is a toxic influence you SHOULD leave them. See it like this, if you were in grove street but didn't want to kill enemy gangs or wear green, you think they would accept you? Really I think the main reason why Sweet doesn't want to leave is because Grove Street IS all he knows and can do. He doesn't have a life outside it by his own choice, so of course he wants to keep everyone locked into his little circle because, frankly said, he's a loser who never managed to make anything else of his life than "gang boss"... and even at that he sucks :P
Sweet is tragedy of pride. He is too stubborn to admit he is wrong even when he has no problem admitting he is criminal. Of course he has relatable motives behind his bigotry and is able to change or at least understand other people changing. Interestingly Sweet's statement about Kendl's home being on Grove Street might imply that she is always welcome there as long as Sweet's around.
The problem is nobody asked how CJ was doing to help Sweet out of prison. Nobody's asking CJ's side of the story. CJ was pulling the Grove family together but he's just one man. But I guess Sweet was just too old school.
Pro, when your videos are longer, the more invested I become into them because of how much time you put into the video. No need to apologize for what you are passionate about. Keep up the good work!
Here's a theory of Sweet's behavior: He was just simply jealous of CJ deep down. When CJ bails him out of jail and explains everything he got after moving out of the hood, Sweet gets pissed because he feels insecure deep down. Because his younger brother accomplished so much more than what he accomplished for the hood, so in order to make himself feel better, he tries to prove himself as the bigger man by using that "keeping it real" excuse as a means to mask his envy towards CJ, and what better way to do that than drag his younger brother back into the ghetto life? So yeah. I think deep down, Sweet behaved this way because he was jealous of CJ.
Your theory is a good theory. I fasho see that. But i personally think that Sweet isn’t jealous of CJ. Cuz in the cutscenes you hear CJ talkin about the things he’s done in other cities, the money he’s made, the casino, the garage in San Fierro, & madd dogg’s mansion & all of that & Sweet didn’t care about none of that as you seen & Sweet still didn’t care about living in poverty since he wanted to go back to the hood. I think Sweet is just mad at CJ because CJ doesn’t want what he wants. CJ doesn’t want to live in the hood for the rest of his life, like Sweet does. CJ knows his life is MORE than the hood & Sweet thinks CJ forgets where he came from. If CJ really forgot where he came from, CJ would’ve never came back to the hood n the first place, & Sweet doesn’t understand that. So I just think Sweet is just more so mad at CJ for not having the same mindset as him & for not wanting what he wants.
agreed! I came to comment this exact thing! well something similar, but you did it. he’s just jealous. which happens a lot w people from the hood. same thing happened to me, everyone was jealous of me when I moved out & did my own thing. to the point where I can’t even visit anymore cause the energy is too bad :/
I think CJ definitely left after the end of the story. CJ is genuinely not interested in the hood anymore at that point, what he did in the last act of the game was really just for Sweet.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 in the beginning it might Help you, but watch out man, weed is an insidious drug that can hold you back when used too much without a medical reason.
Nils Adam I have done weed recreationally for nearly four years and it has not held me back in any way at all. Hell, it’s probably help save me from committing suicide during these hellish times we live in. It does not ruin lives, that’s pure propaganda. Alcohol, on the other hand, has ruined plenty of lives, despite being legal.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 while I see your point it affects other people differently. Weed is definitely not a super dangerous drug but I have seen it fuck up lives. People can become legitimately addicted to it maybe not physically but mentally. I'm glad it helped you man but it can destroy others.
Always cared about the hood, went to jail for his hood, wanted to go back to the hood as soon as he got out of jail, even with all the money his brother CJ had.
This is the real reason. Giving back to the hood is the truest oldschool and sweet is the the only one who's true to the hood. Big smoke is hooking everyone on crack and sweets against it because crack is horrible and would destroy his community
People don't understand because they can't see the hood as anything but gang bangers and drug dealers. The hood is family. Sweet would not leave his family behind.
Most peolpe complain when videos are too long! Its refreshing to see someone who appreciates this kind of effort! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
the fact that an "outsider" and a blind chinese treated carl so well than sweet is just sad, but at the same time i guess you have no choice but to accept sweet for who he is cus hes still your blood
Additional points: -Sweet's not the only one to want to restore Grove Street. Remember Big Bear? -The drug trade will never go away. And Grove Street may have found their purpose of preventing drugs when the police won't.
Sweet grew up as a person at the end of the game, he doesn’t see just the neighborhood anymore he accept Cesar as family, he sends CJ to aid Cesar, he spends time in the mansion and is proud of his brother and sister for what they did in San Fierro and Venturas but his persona always take care of the place he was born
Imagine an epilogue where sweet agrees to travel to San fierro or Las Venturas.. sweet goes proud of CJ's accomplishments, cj introduces sweet to woozie, or sweet also agrees to become a co owner of either the chop shop or the casino, while still maintaining his loyalty to the hood. Sweet would have even encouraged the other gsf members to experience life outside the hood while not letting it affect their loyalty, or cj could have helped the gsf members have legitimate income by employing them as guards in either his chop shop or the casino
@@99mrpogi i agree heavily on this, few yrs after the story, its very likely a lot of Grove boys as well as Sweet, decide to earn a honest living at San Fiero or Venturas
I think that Sweet is mentally stuck to the hood, and that he doesn't feel (and he probably isn't) qualified to do anything else except blast. Also, the hood is the only place that he has power in. He would've felt powerless anywhere else, and also, he would've felt humiliated that his little brother is more powerful and successful than him.
I'm guessing that CJ would have offered sweet a position in either the chop shop or the casino as a co-owner which sweet may decline.. or how about cj attempting to employ several gsf members as guards for his chop shop or casino businesses
@TheProfessional Fun fact, Ryder wasn’t meant to betray CJ, his voice actor left during development so they couldn’t get more lines. I wished they could’ve just made Ryder’s character a mute just to make his character funny and as a nod to Claude.
I hated the Sweet the moment he started shitting on Carl the moment he got out of prison, but when they started arguing and Sweet said," Man you sound just like Smoke right now!!!,"That's when I just felt Sweet's pain and just wanted to take over Los Santos again...
Difference between Smoke and CJ. One was being selfish and betrayed all those who loved him for money. The other just wants to better the lives of his family and himself.
@@Walkerman606Btw bro he is the leader of grove street and all there homes are in grove street he won't let smoke and all the ballas take there home and grove that easily there's logic there but he shouldn't have disrespect him for what he did. Also you have seen grove street was so poor that they take mom's blender as a son and leader of grove street he won't accept it at all yaah he argues alot but c'mon man he is the closest friend and brother to cj its like irl one handles family one handles the others
@@Dasolecollector It’s been confirmed, Ryder was suppose to be actually killed by Smoke in the original storyline. Making Ryder the antagonist was a last second move.
@@oddfuture4521 Also look at Real Kev3n's videos. He made 2 for Ryder and 2 for Smoke. And it's pretty reasonable about that. Also he did the same mistake Pro did. Only post one game only on his channel. Now people are mad that he does more than one content. Hopefully people understand him just as much as Pro.
@@Dasolecollector it's true,the voice actor of Ryder quit because of money during development and they had no more lines for Ryder,he was most likely to get killed in the green sabre mission by the ballas or the police,or maybe just go to prison along with sweet
“He was rude” according to who lol Rockstar? To my understanding it was an issue over pay which several GTA voice actors have talked about over the years
"Sweet is incorruptible." Gotta say, that's not entirely true. He was tempted to smoke crack with some junkie chick near the end of the game and only stopped because CJ arrived in time. He admitted he'd might as well let it destroy him like it has the hood, and while it may seem like a low point in his arc it didn't mean he was beyond corruption. It would have been interesting to see Sweet go down this pathway at least initially, seeing that he has endured hardship (not to the same height as CJ) but it would expose a vulnerability behind his naive nature.
Gangbanger and whatnot. But Sweet is essentially a community leader. He’s in a leadership position and sees everyone in the hood as a member of his family. I love my hometown and it kills me everytime I visit and I see another mom and pop shop owned by family friends/acquaintance replaced by a Starbucks or Chipotle. And if I had the means I’d do something about it.
He's in a leadership position-but he's not even good at that. At any aspect of it! Grove has no territory when CJ comes back, has no loyal soldiers, no weapons, no money, nothing. But it sure is "real". Real broke. Real directionless. Real dead. Sweet talks about earning money and providing, but motherfucker, if you were any good at the only thing you do, you wouldn't have that problem. He just makes excuses for being useless.
I don't hate Sweet. Even when I was kid when this game came out, it was clear to me that he wasn't going to change his mind and thats fine. CJ was not his enemy despite their massive differences because if Sweet was really that mad at Carl, he would had taken him out. In the end, CJ had to do whats best for him and Sweet ultimately just wanted CJ to stay loyal. Not necessarily to him or The Grove, but at least to his friends. It was in that scene where Cesar was asking for help during the riots where Sweet made it clear to CJ that is what he wanted all along - to keep his promises (his "debts") even though he was indirect about it. At least, thats how I saw it - A hint of respect and acceptance for CJ (and maybe Cesar too). Although in a seperate universe, GTA 5 gave a general explanation in Hood Safari (if you left with Lamar) that all of the GSF members had eventually gotten out of the hood. If Sweet existed in the GTA 5 timeline (which might be possible since CJ does appear on a billboard in GTA 4), he would had died when the Ballas took over again or CJ swooped in and got him out of LS. Either way, GSF was erradicated by 2013.
Ryder nigga, man was really fun to be around in game, his dialogue is funny and his missions actually benefitted the gang like that mission about stealing guns for the hood. Too bad his role swapped from homie to busta.
Let's look at it from a different perspective. Sweet has an even older mentality where gangs are to help their community. If it weren't for Sweet, Grove would've been swimming in drugs since the beginning. So as the leader, you would never live it down abandoning an entire community that once lived decently under your wings. He doesn't treat Grove as a territory, he treats it as a family, a thing CJ doesn't get. Things can be better for the entire Grove but it takes thankless effort, which is what CJ couldn't accept.
That kinda makes sense. But I disagree with Sweet protecting the hood. Sweet is not a good leader. The hood was using crack for 5 years and it wasn’t until CJ returned when things started changing for the better. CJ took out the crack warehouses. CJ took back Grove street territory. CJ protected kendle, Sweet and his hood up to point where the hood drove him out and he still came back to help out. What did Sweet do? All he did was complain and belittle CJ for trying to better himself. Yes, Sweet wanted to get crack off the street but only because his way of living was threatened. He wanted to get it off the streets so they can return to their old way of living aka being poor and nonsense killing and robbing. He did nothing the past 5 years to improve his neighborhood and in the end blamed CJ for it.
@@Badnoodle1 Yeah, he was bad to say the least. Piggy backed through everything by everyone and his decisions were situational at best. Confrontational to anyone and unwilling to compromise. Allowing Grove Street to diminish and turning a blind eye to those "loyal" to Grove while taking it out on CJ. A leader in thought but bad in practice.
Grove was indeed swimming in drugs at the beginning of the game and at that time Sweet was the leader of Grove Street. He failed to effect any change whatever his honorable intentions might have been. Intentions alone won't change things, real actions do. That is where Sweet falters.
@@Hari-kx2er Just goes to show that we can't have everything. Sweet couldn't move things forward and CJ gets involved too much with everyone, sidetracking real hard.
Funny thing, yesterday I was wondering if CJ had the nerve to stand for Sweet, after all he did to save his brother's butt cavity. From working to C.R.A.S.H. killing government guys and all. CJ learned and you can see his character arc take many different ways, as he now had assets around the state, broke into mafia plays, became pilot, etc. If by doing it CJ could change Sean's mind.
Victor Almeida If you read the rewrite version of the game's story, it has CJ calling Sweet out on his ungrateful attitude towards the end of the game.
Sweet actually prefers staying in the hood because that's where he grew up and probably its where he's gonna stay because all of his missions are all tied up to the Grove because he's their leader but since he got sent to a prison hospital cj had no choice but to look into other ways opportunities to survive and make sure Caesar and kendl safe its almost as if he wanted to get out of the hood because he regrets letting his brother Bryan die and leaving his childhood friends as well as his mom which is why he wants to do something better in the future to feel redeemed but sweet doesn't realize that because he sticks to his morals about staying close to the hood no matter the cost which is very selfish in a way because he didn't appreciate cj's hard work even though cj stole a military jet just to get his brother out of jail and yet sweet isn't great full because he thinks now that cj went full business man he's probably gonna end up like smoke and eventually forget about the hood all together.
You made something which nothing to this day could. You made me realise all the perspectives of the important characters. I have played this game since 11 years. Very well done!
It’s not about just growing up and dying in the hood, it’s about making the hood livable, everyone wants to leave the hood for a reason cuz it’s a den of drugs and crime, Carl wants to run away for it but sweet wants to make the hood a place people don’t feel like it oppresses them
I feel like this video overlooks the severity of crack on the storyline. Sweet isn't just angry that Carl left the hood, he's angry that Carl let all of their homies get taken out by the ballas or get hooked on crack. When Carl is bragging about all the money he's been making, Sweet is furious that he hasn't even tried to stop Big Smoke from pushing crack on their homies. In fairness, that's cus Tenpenny said he'd hurt Sweet if Carl tried, but Carl never even mentions that. Carl is geniuenly excited to be out of the hood, and Sweet resents the fact he's not willing to go back and help the homies.
Making the hood livable? How? Sweet only had a problem with crack. How does drinking, robbing, murdering and doing nothing remotively productive all day make the hood a livable place?? Because that's what Sweet did pretty much all time, and most likely would have continued had Smoke and Ryder not betrayed the Grove.
I’m not gonna lie.. when sweet started going off on CJ for having a better life while he was in jail. I was like bruh only if you knew the real reason you were released. If CJ didn’t help all of these folks and just stayed in the hood, Sweet probably would’ve been still in prison right now.
I feel like Sweet is staying in the hood bc he wants to protect everyone in it. He is the leader, he cares about the people he's in charge of. Sweet may see CJ as not understanding what it's like to stick to your principles and that's why he's always so hostile. To be honest, CJ wanting to take Sweet and Kendl out of the hood is really kind of him, but it shows that he doesn't think about the bigger picture; everything is good for him but not everyone else. Sweet has a big brother mentality, meaning he thinks he's right a lot of the time, but it also means he is more parently to his homies and strives to take care of them. He is the leader, so maybe he sees himself as the Grove's big brother in general. I think Sweet still cares deeply for CJ, he's just not that great at expressing it. A lot of people have this problem. Also you have to remember that Sweet has a lot to worry about, and he feels he has a responsibility to the Grove. If he left with CJ, it would be pretty much surrendered to CRASH. Sweet is rough around the edges but he is not a complete asshole. Also in the second-to-last mission, I think Sweet gains a little respect for Cesar because he hears him say that he wants to bring his gang back together and he wants to defend his own turf. Sweet would understand that and I think that’s when he finally realizes that Cesar isn’t that bad a dude--if he had just been more open-minded like his brother then maybe early on he would have taken a liking to him because he would have seen Cesar’s true principles. Unfortunately Sweet is stuck in his mindset, which I think is both a good and bad thing because it shows he has integrity but it prevents him from trying new things to improve. Like you said, he has that tradition mentality where they have to do things the old way, not considering outsiders for help. Personally I disagree with him on this but tbh I think he is the only one upholding that idea, ao maybe he feels he has an obligation to stay loyal to it. If Sweet no longer had that mindset, that mindset would forever be gone, and in society there needs to be more AND less favorable opinions for there to be a balance. I feel as if Sweet sticks to his guns because if he didn’t there could be a lack of order and things would get more crazy. And this is not to say CJ is therefore worse by comparison; no, I think they both offer great perspectives and their differences really make the plot more interesting. It’s just that CJ was always the younger brother, always a little more naïve. He did what people asked him to and was very open-minded--if he wasn’t he wouldn’t have agreed to such dangerous missions all the time. CJ is a great main character, because the player by comparison to the situation is also a bit of an outsider, more naïve and is given less information to be aware of. CJ more than anything cares about his family, and wants to do things right. Sweet by comparison feels he has a responsibility to the hood, since it’s where he grew up. Imagine abandoning your principles, and a place where everything is really fucked up, for the sake of living a more carefree life--that is the dilemma Sweet faced, that was what he saw. About Sweet’s treatment of Big Smoke--Sweet trusted Big Smoke because he was there all along, but he didn’t see it the way CJ did, because CJ backed away from the situation for five years and now knows that there can be traitors and bad ideas in people that you trust. Sweet cared about his hood, and cared about Big Smoke and Ryder too, because they were all good friends. He owes loyalty to them. He also probably didn’t have time to deal with Big Smoke, or look too deeply into his character. Sweet also probably thought that having someone to challenge his ideas was good in a way, but the reason he’s hostile to CJ about doing the same is that he thinks that CJ doesn’t understand a lot of what’s going on like BS does. The way I see it, Sweet was afraid of change, and that was what influenced a lot of what he thought and did. CJ confronted change, and that’s why they are different. Then to address his double standard with OG Loc, I think you’re right about him being more of an outsider, but the advice he gives him shows that he cares about him and wants him to live happily. That is how Sweet treats his friends, and that interaction is really important because it shows how Sweet treats people he cares about that aren’t affiliated with the Grove. This is not defending Sweet being cold to CJ, because I want more than anything for Sweet to thank his brother and for them to make up and be a happy family again. And I think if Sweet wanted to change the hood for the better, he should have listened to CJ more often because while he had different ideals, he also had a different perspective, which is really great to have especially for someone near the top that talks regularly to the leader. But Sweet is a good character, flush with principles and a great contrast to the main character. He is a good leader, stands his ground and does what he thinks is right. He has that older sibling mentality where he thinks his way is right but that also means he does what he does in everyone’s best interest and he really does care about his hood; that’s why he stands up against cocaine because he knows it tears the hood apart. Yes, Sweet is bone-headed, but like you said that makes him incorruptible and strong. BS and Ryder were more bendable, weak-minded. And I agree, I think Kendl should have said something to Sweet, especially at the end of the game. I’d like to think she does off-camera, and that they have happy endings of course :) But I enjoyed this analysis, and I hope you read this cause this is what I believe. Sweet was always my favorite character, I guess since I always like the characters no one else likes. Also I am relatively new to this game (I know a lot but I haven’t been playing it since childhood) and community, so I think my opinion while not as good as someone who has played this game longer is of some value (kinda like CJ’s outside perspective lol) at least. And if you read this far, thanks homie :>
If you haven't already, there's a rewrite version of this game's storyline on both Fanfiction and WattPad called "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rewrite" where Sweet actually gets better character development. You should give it a read if you haven't already.
flaimthrowerzatwes19 I just got reading that rewrite, and the part where CJ called Sweet out on his bullshit was just cathartic! I so wish that moment was in the actual game.
To be fair, I don't think Sweet really meant anything he told Jeffrey. He was just saying that to make him go away because he was annoyed with him. If he really meant everything he said to Jeffrey, he would have explained the dangers of being a gangster to him straight up and how it's the wrong path.
Thats a fair point! He is oldschool and set in his ways. But as the leader of GSF he should be alot more aware of things! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
The main reason I got pissed off at Sweet is because he called Carl a perpetrator. In what circumstance is Carl a perpetrator in any way possible? Carl agreed to stay in Los Santos to help out the gang, by keeping his word, had a sense of loyalty towards his siblings as he felt an obligation to protect them. Now, of course, he successfully got businesses in San Fierro and Las Venturas, not because he was trying to get rich, but because he was trying to support himself, Kendl and Cesar financially in order to return to Los Santos, and exact revenge on those who betrayed Grove Street along with Sweet, who was in prison at that time. And after Toreno got Sweet released, he immediately lashes out at CJ just because the former wanted to show him some of the outside world. How can something be harmful when a person just wanted to show his/her sibling a different world? Now, I am talking about this from my personal experience. I had to leave the old neighborhood where I was living years ago due to some problems. My friends over there were initially sad, but didn't try to obstruct my parents from leaving any way possible. There was this one friend of mine, who studied in the same college where I was, but despite being friends, she never talked to me, unless I attempted to make a conversation with her. And, I noticed this same attitude with almost every single friend of mine when I returned to that neighborhood. They did speak in a nice way, but me and my sister felt insecure deep down because it seemed like they didn't feel interested in us being in that place any more because we had to leave them. I always to tried to make myself be loyal and helpful to them after leaving the place. Now, yes, even my friends had this very same old school mentality that Sweet had about his neighborhood. Both were sad as well as mad that the person left the neighborhood. The difference was that my friends were never openly mad at me for having to do so, unlike Sweet, who was harshly judgmental at CJ for abandoning the hood.
I don't think you should apologise for the length of the video I love the fact you go so in depth with specific characters even if there part in the story is small, keep them up man
I mean at least Sweet Moral on point where he refuses drugs to affect him and his family and he thinks he can save them. It's pretty much saying doing Good is hard but being Bad is easy Smoke and Rider took the easy way out.
I think the reason is as simple as the fact that Sweet has never tasted life outside the hood, so he was not able to see the opportunities it could give him. CJ's exile outside Los Santos gave him a new perspective of life and made him able to see the world outside Grove Street in general.
At the end, I think he was basically saying that they need to get rid of any lasting effects from the fights. Basically clean up the area and make it better. He wants to improve his neighborhood. That said, his and CJ's goals aren't necessarily opposites. In fact they can work together really well if they spent his fortune the right way.
Man, CJ and Arthur are my favourite protagonists, both go above and beyond to provide and care for others. Also, Toreno says he'll make sure sweet is "well taken care of" and he literally means that, Toreno knew CJ would take care of his brother, i think Toreno always was hinting at getting sweet realeased.
Glad to see someone who agrees! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
Yeah cj had the right mindset he wanted to get out and move on to greater things, sweet was just stuck in the same old mentality wanting to protect the hood forever, that’s why all that crazy shit happened to em cuz he still wanted to stay in the hood, if he had just left with cj he wouldn’t have had to experience any of the fucked shit that he did.
10:21 let's see what CJ done for the hood that Sweet is too chicken shit to do himself he dealt with rival gangs, destroyed crack factories, and did missions that would make Ethan Hunt blush just to save his ungrateful jealous brother from federal 'pound me in the ass" prison
I think Sweet has problems but I kind of see his point. How is the hood ever going to become a better place if all the successful people people keep abandoning it leaving only the bad people?
It never becoming better, thats why people leave, sweet was a gang member, how the hood will become a better place when people are killing each other? he did nothing, he let his gang fall apart and then started to smoke crack.
To an extent I agree with you. But I live in a not so good neighborhood and you know from my perspective, It almost never gets better. It would take a huge movement to get the attention it deserves but there's almost no improvement. It's a weird feeling like you know that the city itself doesn't want to help you out. My Aunt(Who I live with) was attacked actually at her job which is in a bad neighborhood and shoplifting is rampant. There's nothing in the area that'll help them even the police don't wanna get involved. As I said before, in these areas it basically feels like you've been abandoned by the city itself that's why most things don't change.
in the end they took down Smoke and Tenpenny, possibly ending the crack epidemic. He did make the hood a better place, but as expected, Sweet still wants to live there
Tbh... I can relate to sweet... Irrespective of one's local area, state or country. Standing by and for your own area is like a moral bond/obligation, and fix things there and make it better. I guess selflessness? Not sure. But also, hating someone because of ones choice? Can't relate to that.
yea bro i agree. & there are times when i’ve said things to my brothers that i’ve regretted, & times when i was a hypocrite too. i think these are mistakes of real life
I've lived a comfortable life in my neighborhood for the entirety of my life. My aunts and mom felt so confused as to why my grandmother insisted to stay in this home despite them taking her to a lot of different countries where they currently live. (we live in the Philippines) She bought this house 20 years ago. I feel kinda confused but also kinda understand her especially because I am the only one she spent her life recently with. To me, yes this neighborhood is home where the person at a local store knows what stuff I'm up to the moment I show up, they immediately know what kind of cigarette I puff and what food I eat. It feels like this entire neighborhood is a big'ol house. But at the same time I have to move out to try and live a life of my own and achieve my dreams, I basically have to leave all the stuff I spent in this household The memories, food and the times where I played PS1, PS2 and PSP for countless of hours or other stupid stuff I did as a kid. We have to live a life of our own and not get stuck with one place. That and we'll end up dreamless. This is a very good analysis. I've been watching ur vids for a week now and I still haven't subbed. However this video made me click the subscribe button. It was so good of a content. So please, keep doing the hard work and thank u for this wonderful content.
Bruh, the first vid I saw of yours was about who really killed CJs mom, that was about a month ago. I was disappointed that you didnt have many san andreas analysis videos like that but still subbed. Your other videos got me into gta and red dead online though tbh. Anyway long story short this video is a breath of fresh air, San Andreas has such a rich story. Love this vid!
When he compared him to smoke he didn’t know all that smoke had done , also he was sounding similar to smoke talking about leaving the hood and chasing money that’s literally all smoke was about in the end .
I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
Ryder acts the same thing. He was rude to CJ as well. Ryder was never going to betray Grove Street, but that all changed when the voice actor quit. If Ryder was never killed, I bet he and Sweet will be mad at CJ for abandoning Grove Street. Ryder was never meant to be the antagonist, only Big Smoke. Imagine Ryder helping Sweet and CJ at the end of the mission.
I always thought it's because he's scared of the world. I have this planned fan fiction where Sweet and Brian are protagonists, and the one that travels San Andreas is Sweet. During it, he sees a lot of horrid things, and that was the backstory to me -- maybe he has traveled, been traumatized by what's out there, and is afraid to leave home just as well. I wanted to stay true to the San Andreas flair by having Sweet do similar over-the-top things as what we do in the original game. We don't really see how Carl's adventures affect him, but the way I see it, Sweet's adventures were traumatic for him. This is a perfect analysis, but if there were a real San Andreas Stories, I like to imagine it should have two playable protagonists, Sweet and Brian, until Brian's death. Because I honestly hated how in Vice City Stories, Victor leaves the city but you still have control of him. With stories like that, that's when you need backups; in VCS, we should've taken control of Diaz, as he's the owner of the city, or at least filling the power void the Vance Crime Family leaves. But it's just my take. There could be room to develop Sweet in both ways as to his mindset.
If there was a San Andreas Stories game, i want it to follow Sweet's story, being the protagonist, 5 years before San Andreas takes place and after Brian died. CJ left to Liberty City, Beverly is still alive, Tenpenny didn't order Big Smoke to kill Sweet, Ralph Pendelbury is still alive, he still tries to show the true side of Tenpenny, Sweet and his gang took over the entire Los Santos but something bad happens and we could finally understand Sweet's fear of the outside world. But i don't think it's possible, because if it does follow Sweet's story, Rockstar needs Young Maylay and others back.
Sweet is a great character. If anything, I just wish they'd have a redemption cutscene somewhere before End of the Line. One where Sweet is made aware of all the shit CJ went through. Your idea with Kendl lashing out at Sweet would've been a great example.
there is a removed conversation from CJ and Big Bear that indicated Sweet's hood mentality (and his lack of intervention when there was tension among the Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive members) was the issue, or at the very least a contributing factor, when the Grove Street Families fell from grace before CJ left for Liberty City
A lot of other characters in the game is saying CJ is being selfish for wanting a better life for himself and family. What's so wrong about wanting success for himself? It's not like he was trying to be like Big Smoke by selling crack
In the Torino mission where you have to steal the jet off the aircraft carrier, you can destroy the front two jets in the ship and then get into the one at the back of the ship so you would only have one jet going after you, making the mission somewhat easier
I think what Sweet meant with CJ sounding just like Smoke is that both seemed to want to abandon the hood and live a life o luxury, away from family, aways from the homies, forgetting what is important: the hood itself. That's the issue Sweet sees there, imo.
Most people tend to not appreciate longer lore videos! Its nice to see someone with a healthy appreciation! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
@@equanimity92 sounds pretty cool. Especially the GTA series is oftentimes underrated. Most players seem to value the freedom of acting without doing the role playing, if you know what I mean. All the easter eggs and references to incidents, cultural items or hot topics. Specifically the protagonists of San Andreas and five can be seen and interpreted in different framings. Will gladly have a look, good lore is like criticism, something essential to grasp whatever item you're looking at.
Thats a fair point! But I feel that what CJ lacks in principles, he makes up for in pragmatism. By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
Agreed. And that first thing you said is one of the things I think most people don't understand about the character. I've read a good bunch of comments hating the character, but most of them seem to hate Sweet because of some sort of belief that he has a some kind of crab in a bucket mentality; trying to bring everyone else down out of jealousy, when all he wanted early on was for CJ to make up for the time he ran away and by the end he doesn't mind CJ living in a mansion as long as he develops his principles to not turn out like Smoke.
He is not. He always dragged CJ down. He had a "hood mentality" which pretty much means he wanted to spend his entire life doing gang related activities and live a low-life kind of life in that very same cul-de-sac.
Thank you guys for the support on the lore videos. Be sure to also check out Hugo One's video Sweet Is Garbage. Its a really funny and good video as well. Check his channel out.
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This story was written by Dj pooh who was putting a message in the story. The scene when sweet gets released was a great performance. It was a real life perspective of the ghetto. With that being said RIP Nipsey. He had the same mentality as sweet
@TheProfessional my cousin got his gta 5 online account wiped for no absolute reason do you have any advice on what to do ? Keep up the amazing videos btw
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Post vids like this bro
I don’t care how screwed and messed up my hometown is, if I’m offered a way out, I’m taking it and leaving for good and never coming back, but for Sweet he did the exact opposite because CJ literally offered him a better/wealthier lifestyle and yet he still wants to settle things in the Gang.
Some people cling heavily onto where they grow up even if it isn’t a good area. People like sweet are very frustrating because they try to hold everyone back . If you get to look for a better life they get angry at you for it .
I think the fact that he's the leader is why he feels so strong about staying there. Especially once you factor in what Smoke did.
I would of never came back
I agree with you
I agree with you and see where you can go with it, but if I went through the same things like Sweet I would be the same; to an extent I wouldn't let go until I got the job done
The job being finding out who killed my mom and taking out the gangs involved like CJ did.
I feel that Sweet is like that because the hood is the only place he feels like he's a big shot.
Territorial instinct
What can be the type of stuck up arrogant mindset what can get you killed there was a reason why a lot of rappers who used to live in the hood and made music in the late eighties or nineties wanted to get out of the ghetto
Sweets a punk
i mean if the hood is the only place a man can be a somebody in a world where nobody can be a nobody.... can you blame him?
It's because the hood was all he knew and he didn't wanna leave their home in ruins.
Sweet doesn’t really know that Carl got him out of jail when he got out he said on the phone idk what happen they just released me and Carl never tells him about toreno and what he did so sweet doesn’t really know
Yeah plus the dudes who don't wanna move out the hood don't wanna do so because they don't wanna leave others behind to suffer it's guilt for sure but if you don't have the people you loves back what do you really have?? You can't take money with you when you die but you can bring memories with you..
@TheProfessional Sweet notices how CJ is changing big mansions cars etc. It's not about him it's about You/CJ. You/CJ went from normal person too scarface very fast. When CJ said big mansion this luxury it gave sweet impression that CJ is getting spoiled that materialism is getting to him
Yeah thats a good point. He was in jail the whole time and who is to say that Torrino (or whoever he sent) had an obligation to tell Sweet that it was all CJ.
It's supposed to be a covert operation from Torrino's end and it would probably make things worse if Sweet found out that CJ basically turned to the Feds for assistance. Even if he had no choice (which he didn't).
And if CJ did tell Sweet, there would had been no way to make the reasoning not sound like he cut a deal with the cops or betray The Grove as Sweet would say. Plus, Torrino or his superiors would had to kill CJ incase anything he did say could be linked back to them.
How long can you last with a permanent 5-6 star wanted level?
My suspicion rose during the homecoming mission. If you remember when sweet phoned carl when cj thrown into angel pine (i forgot the part, but i think the call happen between angel pine - san fierro part) sweet sounded like he already gave up on everything. Then after the mission outrider which toreno looked for cj's identification the next thing in "homecoming" is, sweet suddenly got his spirit (and temper) back! What a strange comeback! xD
@@PeninsulaCity2024 The thing is CJ didn't need to bring in the feds when discussing his attempts to bail Sweet out of jail. He could have just simply told Sweet that he made all the money from his business empires in San Fierro and Las Venturas, not to mention how he became Madd Dogg's manager in the first place. So there was really no reason for CJ to not explain what he did to bail Sweet out of jail.
Sweet- "Give Cj a break. He's basically turning grove around by himself." Sweet later on- "What you did for our hood?!" 🤷♂️😭
Yep. Especially annoying after turning the map 100% green. Twice.
@@TheVleckChannel right, jesus, Sweet was aggravating as fuck
I guess cause they was up at that moment. Sweet came out of jail to the Grove full of crackheads, dealers and ballas
Yea that's really stupid how he says that and we help Grove Street so much then we get told we haven't done anything 🤦. I noticed it's really Sweet not doing anything for Grove and always Sweet getting into trouble then we have to get him out of it
So nobody got mad at they homie n said fucc u and next day was cool
There are so many times I wanted CJ to stand up for himself and actually explain properly to Sweet the things he did to help him, all the stuff he had to go through just to get him out.
There’s a rewrite story of the game where cj finally stands up to sweet
On Los desperados
What CJ did for toreno was basically extended black ops. He cannot tell sweet about them. If sweets gets to know at all, toreno will probably have sweet abducted and vanish into thin air. What's to say toreno wasn't watching carl even after Carl was done working for him
Exactly CJ did stuff for the Family not the gang
Me too.
Sweet is just envy bc he doesn't steal jetpacks and military jets
That's hilarious
Imagine Brian tho
Poor bloke couldn't respawn, I wonder where that came from the fam
Yeah
I think it's better to not steal the military jets, if you know how painful flying is in GTA SA
@@skrpon0 I had no issues flying in San Andreas
He's like one of those old school old heads who thinks there's nothing outside his neighbourhood.
The city sizes in gta are realistic to them because they haven't left that same radius in 6 years. Actually as I think about it all 3 cities in gta sa feel huge compared to the single city we got in gta 5
@@Huddy52 its probably because the fog so you can never see the whole city at once. But i have to agree even though all im pretty sure the San Andreas map can fit in the GTA 5 map it does feel bigger.
Obvious
Shit still pisses me off everytime i beat San Andreas and I’m on my 10th time like boy CJ did everything for the hood and family while you was gone show some respect
Actually oldheads don't want to leave people behind. Loyalty is dead these days.
Gonna say it. I feel like many characters guilt tripped CJ.
Honestly that's kinda fair tbh. Also where'd you get your profile pic?
@@AL7249 I think it's something like piccrew
Well if CJ didn’t leave, I could see the unfairly actions directed at him.
@@someonedifferent4116 cj had to leave tho. he was in liberty city going legit and as soon as he went back to the hood they got him back into fuck shit
After replaying it I noticed how cj was a bit of a pushover everyone got him to do as he was told, like a dog, he also was a bit of a whinny baby
Being from the hood myself I grew up around a lot of people like Sweet. That stay put in the same place and have no interest in exploring the rest of the world. Couldn’t be me I joined the Army right after high school and got the opportunity to travel to several countries overseas and don’t regret it one single bit. There’s definitely more to life than your hood.
Is it because of lack of interest in exploring or is it loyalty and trying to preserve some sense of dignity when faced with overwhelming odds? Because I can relate to Sweet's idea. I'm Eastern European and I don't necessarily have an attachment to a neighbourhood, but I do have one towards my country. Even if I'd travel elsewhere, I could never leave it forever. I have an American friend who has suggested the possibility of me moving to the US (the visa process would be a hassle, but I could probably get one, I have 3 friends over there who could probably guarantee for me to the embassy)... But I know, I could never become a US citizen... I would feel like a fish out of water. It's not my land, my very presence there would feel unfair. And it would feel like betraying my country and giving up on it when it needs me the most, so I couldn't take that oath with a clean conscience. I don't blame those who left, but I couldn't do it. I go down with the ship.
I get that there might be more to life, but the country itself is more important than me. I have to work to fix it. And this mentality is indeed a sort of refuge, truth be told, I know that for someone in the West, my country is something to look down on, but even though we have little power or money... it feels like hanging on to some shred of dignity when you're not respected. We don't have the power of the West, but we have this: the land beneath our feet. It's not much, but it is ours. Yes, our flag isn't the easily recognisable and respectable star-spangled banner, but it's our blue-yellow-red tricolour. It's not much, but it is ours. I get the sense that for Sweet, it's similar. He feels disrespected by a hostile world, so he hangs on to the little things he has: the land beneath his feet and his colours.
@@octavianpopescu4776 Fair enough, speaking on the people I know personally, I think it’s an unwillingness to step out of their comfort zone as well as complacency. I decided to join the Army because I always wanted to travel and never saw myself living in my hometown for the rest of my life. There’s not much opportunity there, a large portion of the locals have low paying blue collar jobs, so it’s easy for the younger generation to resort to crime in attempt to get ahead in life. My family personally didn’t have a lot of money so they couldn’t afford to send me to college and I didn’t have the best grades or was a star athlete in high school so I didn’t exactly have many scholarship offers at my door. It was the best opportunity for me as far as stability, travel and further pursuing my education.
Not to say that there’s anything wrong with wanting to stay in your hometown. I completely understand your perspective and respect it. I still love my home regardless of all the negativity. You seem to know what your goals are and want you want out of life. Stay committed and one day you or those that come after will experience the work you put in to improve your community 💯
@@octavianpopescu4776 Thats a dumb mentality but it's your life anyway
In my opinion, another example of Sweet's old school mind is when he buys the exact same Greenwood car, which was destroyed in the mission,' Reuniting the Families', when CJ could easily afford a much better car, and when asked about it, he just says don't fix if it is not damaged. I think the reason Rockstar made this vehicle mandatory to enter and not any other random vehicle, is to give us a hint of Sweet's character.
@@jgstarks9436 lol no one from the “hood” has to start their post like this.
Sweet’s desire to stay and fix things in the hood is actually very rich of him, he was offered a way out and still did the exact opposite of what most people would do. He annoyed CJ a lot, but he had a point and a great objective, imagine how much he, with his decisions and CJ’s balls, improved the lives of the residents of Grove Street by taking out drugs and Tempenny
In the end, it didn't amount to much. Seeing as how in GTA V, GSF fell apart and all the other OG's moved on, allowing the Ballas to take over. ruclips.net/video/pQ2kL8aMjvc/видео.html
Well CJ did most of the work. Sweet could’ve did something during those 5 years but didn’t. It wasn’t until CJ where things started turning around for the better.
@@gtahip-hop5891 gta 5 is set in a different universe to san andreas
I think its a wider social commentary on the hood.
Being an "egoist" and leaving like CJ or staying and trying to fix the hood like Sweet.
I also think that touches on how bad places like hoods are self-fulfilling prophecies - all the good, smart, driven people move away, so there is noone left to fix the mess.
@@gtahip-hop5891 not even the same universe lmao
Sweet's mentality is pretty easy to understand. He grew up in Grove Street, saw the rest of his siblings grow up in Grove Street, met most of his lifelong friends and fellow gang members in Grove Street. For him, it's home no questions asked. It might be a shitty place, but as far as he's concerned it could be a lot worse and wants to make sure it never does get to that point. And like you said, it's where the Johnson siblings mother came from and died in. Sweet already feels bad enough that she died in a hit & run clearly meant for him, he probably feels like he'd be abandoning her too if he ever left the area.
Not to mention that I don't think we've ever heard much of the Johnson siblings' father. Looking back on "The Introduction" video, CJ actually says he never knew his dad. If he isn't dead, then I can assume he might have ran away from his responsibilities as the patriarch of the family to do his own thing. If true, then it might be why Sweet is so against the idea of leaving Grove Street since he might think it'd make him no better than his dad.
There's also the fact that Sweet probably thinks like he'd turn into someone like Smoke or Tenpenny if he ever leaves. In a quote taken from Red Dead Redemption "Power is like drink. The more you have the more you want it. And there's few men who could handle it". Sweet's no doubt capable of becoming a success like CJ if he ever puts his mind to it, but he clearly doesn't want to go down that path likely because he thinks he'd lose his roots and become an even worse criminal than he already is and thinks CJ might end up that way too.
All that aside, there's the obvious fact that Sweet's just plain stubborn and too old-school to even think about trying something new outside of the Grove. CJ might have turned out the same if he never left for Liberty City and thus got a taste and experience for life outside.
Well said. Great analysis!
late reply, but another factor for his attitude might be this: he never knew about everything CJ did for his sake. as far as he knows, after the incident that got him arrested, CJ ran away and left him to his fate, only coming back when he was released. the only thing CJ could provide him with directly in the meantime is reassuring phone calls. from sweets POV, CJ comes off as a fairweather friend who backs off when things get difficult
Loyal character but horrible leader. I understand because he's loyal to the gang & his family but bro you can't be gang leader let shit crumble around you
Damn that's a long ass Comment
@@Underworlder5 Sweet knew CJ couldn’t be in LS, Sweet knew CJ was with Cesar protecting Kendl. Carl told him he was going to get him out of there, and he did.
Then, Sweet gets all mighty when Carl offers to buy him some clothes, just clothes and he gets pressed. He says his main responsibility is the hood and even asks CJ what he’s done for the hood, when it was CJ who single handedly recover the hood after Sweet’s dumb ass let it break apart. It’s Sweet’s fault that the GSF got like that in the first place, it’s his fault his best friends and second in command betrayed him right under his nose. CJ had to come and fix Sweet’s mistakes, and now Sweet thinks he has the right to recriminarte CJ for being successful and taking opportunities outside the hood.
Sweet knew he was a loser compared to CJ and he couldn’t stand that. CJ had everything so Sweet clung onto what he had to not feel as bad, he clung onto the hood as his last resort to feel like he was someone.
And Sweet is too dense to think outside of the box. Instead of thinking the casino could be an opportunity to help the hood, he rejects everything because he wants to do things his way. Sweet doesn’t care about the hood, all he cares about is being the one in charge.
Sweet is loyal, but his loyalties are in the wrong place, he’s a bad leader and without CJs help the hood is gonna come crumbling down again.
I don’t doubt CJ, Kendl and Cesar moves out of LS and kept their business, leaving Sweet to ruin the hood again. I think that’s why in GTA V the GSF are almost extinct, because Sweet ruined things again and CJ was too tired to come fix them.
You're missing one crucial point. The reason Sweet treats CJ like that is because he never knew what CJ went through to get him out of prison,Toreno wouldn't allow CJ to tell the jobs he did for him to Sweet. Discretion is key in these situations,they're basically covert operations.
Even without the crazy Toreno jobs sweet knows Carl kept Kendle safe and he should know about Carl infiltrating and wiping out the loco syndicate . That got a lot of the drugs off the streets in Los Santos but never acknowledges cj for it .
@@theprofessional155 sweet is sus
I disagree as he can tell Sweet, Sweet wont go out and tell others my brother is doing covert operations, and I agree with The Professional at least know that Drugs were reduced and Kendl was safe because of CJ
@@anuragkat66 sus??
@@mauritiusboy7952 What happened mate
In Sweets mindset he is more vulnerable outside his hood when in reality he can live a much better life
True,in reality he is most vulnerable in the hood because every enemy knows where he's at,just like they already did try to murder him with the green sabre. In reality the ballas,vagos and the rest of the gangs are just lowlifes that live in crack houses and shitholes meanwhile CJ would've offered him a way better life
Yea true bro
💯
Yhhh its true i think w/ sweet its one of them ones where he rather go w/ the devil you know as oppose to the devil you don’t. He feels a lot safer in the hood because he knows the potential scenarios that could occur and is well aware of his surroundings. That’s why he’s still alive x well.
I think there's another aspect to Sweet that isn't touched on much: he feels responsible for the hood, and he feels that if you enter the gang, you are responsible as well. Because if you're in a gang, especially the Families, you do what you do to help out the hood. And he thinks that if you leave the hood, you're leaving all the other people who are struggling behind, while staying and robbing people to get the money means actually contributing to the wellbeing of the people in the hood.
This is why he says "You're talking like smoke right now", and why he feels like he and his family can't leave Grove Street: as the leaders of the Families, it's their job to provide for their community, and no millionaire ever did that from the comfort of a mansion.
The thing about that is while his reasoning on paper is good. His method of carying out that goal is highly ineffective. He went a whole five years, stumbling over his “leadership” losing territory and watching as the crack epidemic took over before his brother came back and fixed everything by putting most of it on his back. He did not have any reliable way of seeing that dream come to fruition instead of what he should’ve done is actually do stuff to help his head from a different standpoint like buying a properties giving people opportunities if you don’t do that in the hood and it stays the way that it is then eventually people are gonna try to leave and seek out other opportunity
I understand sweets mentality. I had a problem with that when I was in the hood. One day I got jumped along with allot of other kids.. when we were all done getting beat up, we all gathered up and made deep friendshipships and we made plans to return fire on them next time they hurt 1 of us. We started hanging out in dark areas and where people like us would get hurt to mark our territory.. we shot up places, under age drank, had a fight club, had ego problems etc. Because we were pretty much raising ourselves and our only inspiration were cheating moms and gangster dads.. If you picked on 1 of us, we would relentlessly make ur life hell as a group and risk our own lives. We already felt like we were risking our lives everyday just existing in a public space, and sometimes even inside our own homes with break ins and drive bys. so risking our lives for "something" or someone else made it feel allot better and somehow "safer". Standing for something made me feel like I had a purpose at the time. I wouldn't say that it was loyalty to a specific plot of land, but I felt a loyalty to the product of the environment. I felt like I needed to be there for the people who couldn't get out themselves, because there was allot of people like me who died there and didn't get lucky like I did. When I was a youngin I remember we had this tough guy mentality that if we are in a horrible situation then you MAKE it better. Like if you're broke - you work. if you're hungry - you hunt. If your environment is shit, you work to make that shit better. If ur neighbor is weak, you teach him to fight with u, if your neighbors on Crack, you stop Crack from getting there in the first place for the future children, if you're get rich, then you give like Akon did to Africa lol. Our natural tendencys growing up in an area where we are at a disadvantage (or not comfortable in the situation) is to RUN. People freeze, run away and never come back or hide forever. And IF you do that, then you are dead or atleast pretty much dead in our eyes.. So the reason we would look down on that "weakness" is to promote a strong mentality that will keep you alive. Its what we call "tough love". So that's what I think sweet is pretty much try to Carl on his comparison to big smoke. He's looking down on the "weak" mentality and saying that Carl and him are similar in that way. He's saying when things get hard, then they want to run away and find a better life rather than make it better themselves.
Although I see why that mentality is bad and how it can be misunderstood, I'm glad I had that mentality to keep me going through my parents not being there and growing up with a terminal illness (to wich I was supposed to die at 8 years old). Now that im in a better place and i love my family, I look back and just see that we were all just kids wanting to be happy.. we were fighting eachother and ourselves. A few people had something horrible happen to their lives and it spread like a disease. Just an endless cycle. I made peace with most of my demons. It sounds corny but its real.. the worst about my terminal disease is not that I cant stand up all the time, I can't follow my dreams without even bigger sacrifice, or that I'm in pain 24/7. But its living with myself knowing all these things.. its wanting to exercise the pain away and not being able to get up. It's feeling to stressed to sleep at night and too energized and angry at myself.. but anyway. Maybe no one knows what I'm talking about or this is too long to read so I'ma stop now lol
Thank
Damn that's crazy bro
That was a touching story you have my sympathies for all the tough times you went through back then, and might still be going through now.
You deserve my respects
You have a... *_terminal,_* _disease!?_
Never tired of San Andreas stories.
IT CAME OUT? When? How’d u get it?
@Phil Barnes wow chill tf out bro. 1 I was joking. I thought that would be obvious since there’s no GTA stories for that game. Second DONT CALL ME NO NIGGA. I’m not ur nigga or homie or whatever u call it so please don’t call me that fucked up word
Same mate big part of my Childhood, millennials will never know ...
@@phantomx4752 it came out in 2099 luckily I got a Time machine and got it early
I see, y'all men of culture💗
Sweet is a big bother. He was used to old school ways. We all know a old head that is stubborn and stuck in the old ways
Not an old way of thinking but more of sweet’s POV everyone you grew up with is dying or hooked on crack and your closest friends and family does their best to abandon the place without trying to fix it yeah I’d be pissed off at everyone as well.
@@chamllis I'm glad you get it. He built everything in his home and CJ left once after Brian died and Sweet didn't know CJ was doing stuff to get him out. The way he just popped out saying everything he did outside of the Grove. The average person who goes through this game cares mainly about accruing wealth in the game. But it a question of what drives you to get up every day. Sweet wants to protect his home no matter one, lived in green, buried in green. CJ is about moving up. Notice that he came into town with just blue jeans and a wife beater. Its a clean slate. But throughout the game, he does his jobs and makes money outside the hood cause the hood ain't gon pay him.
That's certainly part of Sweet's problem
@@thewriter8762 he came into town with other things ... They just ended up being left in the taxi when Tenpenny showed up.
"My bag. Hey, man, my bag!"
@@FrostWazowski I still find that scene funny.
Sweet actually pisses me off. He actually holds CJ back, tries to keep him locked in the hood, afraid of progressing in life.
Right he was always tryna hold him back
Fr cj did everything to make things right for sweet and he still treats him like trash, and like they ain’t brothas, born from the same mama.
Yep, Sweet pisses me off too with that stupid "Hood4Life" shit. You'll never improve your situation with that mentality.
@@MrBronx61 I don't think he cares about improving HIS Situation
You're right but in a way he might have felt that he can watch over him and Kendl. Cause remember their brother and their mother already died and their dad left them or already was dead I don't really don't about their dad but I guess Sweet doesn't want to lose what's left of his family. It's clear that yeah he gets mad of Cj for getting out of the hood but he's not really holding Cj back cause Cj himself decided not to argue with his brother and took back their hood from the Ballas just so he gets some love from him. It's also true that he might've gotten mad at Cj for leaving the hood but never treated him like an enemy of some sort. TheProfessional caught Sweet's mindset spot on. He doesn't treat Cj like an enemy but shows mass disapproval/disappointment in him
Keep in mind there's a difference between understanding why someone behaves this way and sympathizing with them. So while I do understand why Sweet behaved this way, I still can't sympathize with him, because he's very ungrateful towards CJ after his brother busted his ass trying to bail his stubborn ass out of prison, he's very hypocritical, and he unfairly compares CJ's ambitions to get out of the hood to Big Smoke selling the gang out for money even though they're nowhere remotely the same thing. And after everything CJ did for him, Sweet still calls him a perpetrator and claims CJ was doing everything for himself. So no. Sweet still deserves no sympathy for his ungratefulness and hypocrisy.
I always considered Sweet as the leader of the grove street families and I understood his position as leader and was never really angry at sweet, he has his way of seeing things and his life is focused on saving the grove from drugs that aint too bad
"Sweet is incorruptible"
Sweet was litterly about to smoke crack
had cj not came in time
When sweet brought a hooker in the house
In the intro of
Beat Down on B Dup mission.
Man was stressed and fed up I guess.
every human has a breakpoint
Just like Ardi said its more of a breaking point. I didn't see him being corrupted in that scene only giving up he even says that later in the mission.
@@theprofessional155 Exactly.
By the way you are a great youtuber imo.
@@ardibetrayal3493 yes which means that sweet is very capable of being corrupted.
It's kinda crazy that a 17 years old video game could make a man so emotional.San Andreas is awesome
I feel like this ain't a GTA Game sometimes. It's THAT good.
Especially when you’re an adult and have a different perspective on life. I was 16 when San Andreas dropped. I didn’t realize how deep and detailed this game is.
@@TheBlackScatPack Damn. I was 6 when the game came out, but I remember playing that game all the time at 6 years old lol I’ve beaten the game soooo many times, replayed missions & all that. I’m almost 23 now, & i’m still learning so much more about this game, when i thought i knew everything about this game already. & that’s why this game is my favorite game of all time. The developers did a phenomenal job with the game, from voice acting, to the detailed story line.
16
I still remember getting it on launch a little bit over 16 years ago. It is still the most complete GTA title (Story Mode only) to me largely because of the narrative, the variety of vehicles and mission,the three distinct cities as well as the little communities in between.
Bc he's stuck. It's a common mentality in the hood from ppl like this. He grew up there and doesn't want to leave. He's possibly scared of adapting and also going to a new area.
Edit: I'm from the hood so I'm not speaking out of my ass on this in case anyone thought I'm one of those weirdos who speaks on shit they could never relate to lol
Exactly it’s the same concept for a lot of the people in villages I described ,
@@theprofessional155 Yeah but I think slowly but surely Sweet did accept CJ's newer lifestyle though. In the later missions we can see him being present in Madd Dogg's mansion alongside the others, and he also starts taking interest of who CJ was hanging around with back in his absence (like in the Riot Mission when Sweet asked CJ about Paul and Maccer).
Facts 💯 you right bro im from the hood i been traveling alot of beautiful places out here
Facts💯
I grew up in the South Bronx, and everything Frank said is right on. Sweet's stuck in that stupid 'hood4life' mindset, which is limiting and self-destructive. CJ had the common sense approach - the world is bigger than the 'hood'. In order to better your situation, you have to be a part of it.
What I really hate Sweet for most is that Carl does manage to break out of that locked in mindset and can leave "the hood" behind him, but Sweet keeps pulling him back in and down to his level. It's because of people like him that gangs prevail and the "circle of violence" simply for being born in a certain area of a town continues.
Sweet is the person that made Families take back Grove Street and kill Big Smoke. If Sweet said: "Yes CJ, let's go to Las Venturas!", Grove Street would be under Ballas control forever. He is not that bad, he just cares about the gang he leads.
@@smerfdzikus2334 The question is, would that be worse? Sure Grove Street doesn't push drugs but they still follow the same gang mentality where beating someone up for "wearing the wrong colors" is acceptable and murder for anything they want is as well. I don't want to tout something like "morals" but any gang that operates that way is in the wrong, and pulling someone who managed to break out of that mentality back in is a dick move, and Sweet's entire mentality is that that nobody should ever leave it.
@@DanielKay06 Yes but if you leave a hood or a group of friends (especially when you are their leader) that you grew up with just because you can live wealthier somewhere else, you don't do the good thing. Loyalty is important, even in gang, you can not just leave people that like and trust you. I am not saying that Grove Street is better than Ballas (in fact, they are doing the same shit, maybe except drugs), but I think Grove Street members wouldn't approve Sweet going away from them.
@@smerfdzikus2334 Well if that "group of friends" is a toxic influence you SHOULD leave them. See it like this, if you were in grove street but didn't want to kill enemy gangs or wear green, you think they would accept you?
Really I think the main reason why Sweet doesn't want to leave is because Grove Street IS all he knows and can do. He doesn't have a life outside it by his own choice, so of course he wants to keep everyone locked into his little circle because, frankly said, he's a loser who never managed to make anything else of his life than "gang boss"... and even at that he sucks :P
@@smerfdzikus2334Why though? I understand you have a sense of loyalty but when is enough enough to where you HAVE to leave the hood behind you?
Sweet is tragedy of pride. He is too stubborn to admit he is wrong even when he has no problem admitting he is criminal. Of course he has relatable motives behind his bigotry and is able to change or at least understand other people changing. Interestingly Sweet's statement about Kendl's home being on Grove Street might imply that she is always welcome there as long as Sweet's around.
Sweet is a toxic hypocrite. He is awful and toxic person who force others to live like him.
The problem is nobody asked how CJ was doing to help Sweet out of prison. Nobody's asking CJ's side of the story. CJ was pulling the Grove family together but he's just one man. But I guess Sweet was just too old school.
And even if they did, CJ can't answer about working for Toreno.
@@jdapaul1351because toreno kept his word if ch help he was going to get sweet out of jail
Pro, when your videos are longer, the more invested I become into them because of how much time you put into the video. No need to apologize for what you are passionate about. Keep up the good work!
Bro I really watch the whole video too
Facts especially when they’re good
My name is Giovanni Gaborni
*But everybody calls me Gaborni*
Here's a theory of Sweet's behavior: He was just simply jealous of CJ deep down. When CJ bails him out of jail and explains everything he got after moving out of the hood, Sweet gets pissed because he feels insecure deep down. Because his younger brother accomplished so much more than what he accomplished for the hood, so in order to make himself feel better, he tries to prove himself as the bigger man by using that "keeping it real" excuse as a means to mask his envy towards CJ, and what better way to do that than drag his younger brother back into the ghetto life? So yeah. I think deep down, Sweet behaved this way because he was jealous of CJ.
Sweet had big ego problems.
Your theory is a good theory. I fasho see that. But i personally think that Sweet isn’t jealous of CJ. Cuz in the cutscenes you hear CJ talkin about the things he’s done in other cities, the money he’s made, the casino, the garage in San Fierro, & madd dogg’s mansion & all of that & Sweet didn’t care about none of that as you seen & Sweet still didn’t care about living in poverty since he wanted to go back to the hood. I think Sweet is just mad at CJ because CJ doesn’t want what he wants. CJ doesn’t want to live in the hood for the rest of his life, like Sweet does. CJ knows his life is MORE than the hood & Sweet thinks CJ forgets where he came from. If CJ really forgot where he came from, CJ would’ve never came back to the hood n the first place, & Sweet doesn’t understand that. So I just think Sweet is just more so mad at CJ for not having the same mindset as him & for not wanting what he wants.
@@ShortyydaP This not a theory its fact
@@just.him.cherif & where was that proven? Who has proven that yet? So therefore, it’ll remain a theory lmao
agreed! I came to comment this exact thing! well something similar, but you did it. he’s just jealous. which happens a lot w people from the hood. same thing happened to me, everyone was jealous of me when I moved out & did my own thing. to the point where I can’t even visit anymore cause the energy is too bad :/
I think CJ definitely left after the end of the story. CJ is genuinely not interested in the hood anymore at that point, what he did in the last act of the game was really just for Sweet.
The thing is, CJ would just build up the hood with all of his money. Giving more opportunities and a better lifestyle to Grove itself.
Yeah he could. But putting money into something doesn’t mean that the people who live there are gonna suddenly change their mindset.
@@wesleygriffiths8748 also notice how carl basically says fuck the hood and never mentions this distruburation of the wealth
As someone who has a addicted mother and a father with leg issues thanks to cigarettes, I can say, there's nothing that ruins people more than drugs.
That's painfully accurate
It depends. I do weed on a regularly basis, like practically every day and it certainly hasn’t ruined my life. Quite the opposite.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 in the beginning it might Help you, but watch out man, weed is an insidious drug that can hold you back when used too much without a medical reason.
Nils Adam I have done weed recreationally for nearly four years and it has not held me back in any way at all. Hell, it’s probably help save me from committing suicide during these hellish times we live in. It does not ruin lives, that’s pure propaganda. Alcohol, on the other hand, has ruined plenty of lives, despite being legal.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 while I see your point it affects other people differently. Weed is definitely not a super dangerous drug but I have seen it fuck up lives. People can become legitimately addicted to it maybe not physically but mentally. I'm glad it helped you man but it can destroy others.
Always cared about the hood, went to jail for his hood, wanted to go back to the hood as soon as he got out of jail, even with all the money his brother CJ had.
Hello
This is the real reason. Giving back to the hood is the truest oldschool and sweet is the the only one who's true to the hood. Big smoke is hooking everyone on crack and sweets against it because crack is horrible and would destroy his community
My nigga sweet,grove street OG!
People don't understand because they can't see the hood as anything but gang bangers and drug dealers. The hood is family. Sweet would not leave his family behind.
Yeah also the police never change in GTA
Dude, never apologize for the video length, I LIVE for long video essays deeply exploring topics, it's why I subscribed!
Most peolpe complain when videos are too long! Its refreshing to see someone who appreciates this kind of effort! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
the fact that an "outsider" and a blind chinese treated carl so well than sweet is just sad, but at the same time i guess you have no choice but to accept sweet for who he is cus hes still your blood
It’s a game to make u realize what black ppl really go thru
Blood don't mean jack shit
@@frozezone2947 truly lol
You mean, Woozie?
@@AbdullahEkici34 yeah i meant Woozie, he treated Carl better than Sweet
Additional points:
-Sweet's not the only one to want to restore Grove Street. Remember Big Bear?
-The drug trade will never go away. And Grove Street may have found their purpose of preventing drugs when the police won't.
Sweet grew up as a person at the end of the game, he doesn’t see just the neighborhood anymore he accept Cesar as family, he sends CJ to aid Cesar, he spends time in the mansion and is proud of his brother and sister for what they did in San Fierro and Venturas but his persona always take care of the place he was born
Imagine an epilogue where sweet agrees to travel to San fierro or Las Venturas.. sweet goes proud of CJ's accomplishments, cj introduces sweet to woozie, or sweet also agrees to become a co owner of either the chop shop or the casino, while still maintaining his loyalty to the hood. Sweet would have even encouraged the other gsf members to experience life outside the hood while not letting it affect their loyalty, or cj could have helped the gsf members have legitimate income by employing them as guards in either his chop shop or the casino
@@99mrpogi i agree heavily on this, few yrs after the story, its very likely a lot of Grove boys as well as Sweet, decide to earn a honest living at San Fiero or Venturas
@@99mrpogithis actually would've been so good
Sweet would never imagine that a close childhood friend would betray him.
You can never predict what ppl would become
- Niko Bellic
@@AnthroGearhead Niko was right about that
I think that Sweet is mentally stuck to the hood, and that he doesn't feel (and he probably isn't) qualified to do anything else except blast. Also, the hood is the only place that he has power in. He would've felt powerless anywhere else, and also, he would've felt humiliated that his little brother is more powerful and successful than him.
true true true
I'm guessing that CJ would have offered sweet a position in either the chop shop or the casino as a co-owner which sweet may decline.. or how about cj attempting to employ several gsf members as guards for his chop shop or casino businesses
@TheProfessional Fun fact, Ryder wasn’t meant to betray CJ, his voice actor left during development so they couldn’t get more lines. I wished they could’ve just made Ryder’s character a mute just to make his character funny and as a nod to Claude.
Shite idea
I hated the Sweet the moment he started shitting on Carl the moment he got out of prison, but when they started arguing and Sweet said," Man you sound just like Smoke right now!!!,"That's when I just felt Sweet's pain and just wanted to take over Los Santos again...
Difference between Smoke and CJ. One was being selfish and betrayed all those who loved him for money. The other just wants to better the lives of his family and himself.
Sweet is really awful and toxic person.
@@dustinmalpassWell I wanted better life for myself so I left my mother who wanted to force me to be in pregnant and have husband.
He only mentioned Smoke to guilt trip CJ.
@@Walkerman606Btw bro he is the leader of grove street and all there homes are in grove street he won't let smoke and all the ballas take there home and grove that easily there's logic there but he shouldn't have disrespect him for what he did.
Also you have seen grove street was so poor that they take mom's blender as a son and leader of grove street he won't accept it at all yaah he argues alot but c'mon man he is the closest friend and brother to cj its like irl one handles family one handles the others
I don’t know why the Professional always apologizing for the length of the video. It’s not like we’re going to cancel him.
Some people are asshole
*Twitter tards waiting for him to mess up*
Well, in this day and age you can get canceled for many things.
I shall riot! 👺🔥
@@Jeansss Even for your own opinion on a subject
When you think about it sweet is kinda like lamar and what they think about the hood
True
Disagree. Lamar wants to be more. He's just an imbecile and does boneheaded things. Lol
@@kevinlee9929 Ion really know gta storyline is so co confusing to me
At least sweet isn't an idiot while taking decisions.
His head is clear
I thought they had the same voice actor too
Fun Fact: Ryder Was supposed to be a good person but the voice actor had some problems at the studio and he was rude so they made him bad
Proof?
@@Dasolecollector It’s been confirmed, Ryder was suppose to be actually killed by Smoke in the original storyline. Making Ryder the antagonist was a last second move.
@@oddfuture4521 Also look at Real Kev3n's videos. He made 2 for Ryder and 2 for Smoke. And it's pretty reasonable about that. Also he did the same mistake Pro did. Only post one game only on his channel. Now people are mad that he does more than one content. Hopefully people understand him just as much as Pro.
@@Dasolecollector it's true,the voice actor of Ryder quit because of money during development and they had no more lines for Ryder,he was most likely to get killed in the green sabre mission by the ballas or the police,or maybe just go to prison along with sweet
“He was rude” according to who lol Rockstar? To my understanding it was an issue over pay which several GTA voice actors have talked about over the years
"Sweet is incorruptible."
Gotta say, that's not entirely true. He was tempted to smoke crack with some junkie chick near the end of the game and only stopped because CJ arrived in time. He admitted he'd might as well let it destroy him like it has the hood, and while it may seem like a low point in his arc it didn't mean he was beyond corruption. It would have been interesting to see Sweet go down this pathway at least initially, seeing that he has endured hardship (not to the same height as CJ) but it would expose a vulnerability behind his naive nature.
Gangbanger and whatnot. But Sweet is essentially a community leader. He’s in a leadership position and sees everyone in the hood as a member of his family.
I love my hometown and it kills me everytime I visit and I see another mom and pop shop owned by family friends/acquaintance replaced by a Starbucks or Chipotle. And if I had the means I’d do something about it.
He's in a leadership position-but he's not even good at that. At any aspect of it! Grove has no territory when CJ comes back, has no loyal soldiers, no weapons, no money, nothing. But it sure is "real". Real broke. Real directionless. Real dead.
Sweet talks about earning money and providing, but motherfucker, if you were any good at the only thing you do, you wouldn't have that problem. He just makes excuses for being useless.
I don't hate Sweet. Even when I was kid when this game came out, it was clear to me that he wasn't going to change his mind and thats fine. CJ was not his enemy despite their massive differences because if Sweet was really that mad at Carl, he would had taken him out.
In the end, CJ had to do whats best for him and Sweet ultimately just wanted CJ to stay loyal. Not necessarily to him or The Grove, but at least to his friends. It was in that scene where Cesar was asking for help during the riots where Sweet made it clear to CJ that is what he wanted all along - to keep his promises (his "debts") even though he was indirect about it. At least, thats how I saw it - A hint of respect and acceptance for CJ (and maybe Cesar too).
Although in a seperate universe, GTA 5 gave a general explanation in Hood Safari (if you left with Lamar) that all of the GSF members had eventually gotten out of the hood. If Sweet existed in the GTA 5 timeline (which might be possible since CJ does appear on a billboard in GTA 4), he would had died when the Ballas took over again or CJ swooped in and got him out of LS. Either way, GSF was erradicated by 2013.
That also makes sense as well by GTA 5 they would be in their 50s if still alive so I'm not surprised they probably left by then
@@SuperGamefreak18 3d =/= HD uniververse.. Basically gta v is the sequel to gta 4 but in that sense gta sa doesn't exist
@T Mitch wish that was the case but 3d and HD universe are diff storylines :(
@@pharaxer1031 no they’re not
@@bamaboitube8572 yes THEY ARE!!!!
I honestly think Ryder would be much more likable than Sweet if he didn't become a traitor.
Exactly.
Ryder wasnt meant to be a traitor. Rockstar did dirty to his character
Ryder nigga, man was really fun to be around in game, his dialogue is funny and his missions actually benefitted the gang like that mission about stealing guns for the hood. Too bad his role swapped from homie to busta.
Green Sabre was the start of it, if the plot done right, Smoke would tell Ryder to leave as he doesnt trust Ryder
Even early Ryder was still nicer to CJ
I think if it wasn't for sweet calling cj to inform him that his mom died he would of never came back.thats just what i think
I agree as well
Im just saying people might have other reasons but thats my opinion about about the San Andreas storyline.
@T Mitch exactly
Considering that's literally why he came back obviously he wouldn't
Let's look at it from a different perspective. Sweet has an even older mentality where gangs are to help their community. If it weren't for Sweet, Grove would've been swimming in drugs since the beginning. So as the leader, you would never live it down abandoning an entire community that once lived decently under your wings. He doesn't treat Grove as a territory, he treats it as a family, a thing CJ doesn't get. Things can be better for the entire Grove but it takes thankless effort, which is what CJ couldn't accept.
Obviously Sweet would've failed to change anything for grove street because realistically,drugs like crack still exist,nothing will change
That kinda makes sense. But I disagree with Sweet protecting the hood. Sweet is not a good leader. The hood was using crack for 5 years and it wasn’t until CJ returned when things started changing for the better. CJ took out the crack warehouses. CJ took back Grove street territory. CJ protected kendle, Sweet and his hood up to point where the hood drove him out and he still came back to help out. What did Sweet do? All he did was complain and belittle CJ for trying to better himself. Yes, Sweet wanted to get crack off the street but only because his way of living was threatened. He wanted to get it off the streets so they can return to their old way of living aka being poor and nonsense killing and robbing. He did nothing the past 5 years to improve his neighborhood and in the end blamed CJ for it.
@@Badnoodle1 Yeah, he was bad to say the least. Piggy backed through everything by everyone and his decisions were situational at best. Confrontational to anyone and unwilling to compromise. Allowing Grove Street to diminish and turning a blind eye to those "loyal" to Grove while taking it out on CJ. A leader in thought but bad in practice.
Grove was indeed swimming in drugs at the beginning of the game and at that time Sweet was the leader of Grove Street. He failed to effect any change whatever his honorable intentions might have been. Intentions alone won't change things, real actions do. That is where Sweet falters.
@@Hari-kx2er Just goes to show that we can't have everything. Sweet couldn't move things forward and CJ gets involved too much with everyone, sidetracking real hard.
Loyalty and Pride. That’s always the prime motivation for people who cling to things that aren’t good.
Funny thing, yesterday I was wondering if CJ had the nerve to stand for Sweet, after all he did to save his brother's butt cavity. From working to C.R.A.S.H. killing government guys and all. CJ learned and you can see his character arc take many different ways, as he now had assets around the state, broke into mafia plays, became pilot, etc. If by doing it CJ could change Sean's mind.
Still can't believe his name is Sean. Yes his real name is Sean not Sweet. That's just a name they used. No idea why. Same with Ryder, Smoke etc.
@@MariusBoss11458 you don't know what nicknames are?
@@condorgaming4000 Yes i do, but i Sometimes forget.
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If you read the rewrite version of the game's story, it has CJ calling Sweet out on his ungrateful attitude towards the end of the game.
This gave me more respect to Sweet but he is still a busta
Hey smoke why you betray my dasg cj?
But yo betrayed your dawgs, judas smoke
Yea you too smoke
@@sweetjohnson7562 hey sweet
@@jjominol ohhhhh my dawg
Sweet actually prefers staying in the hood because that's where he grew up and probably its where he's gonna stay because all of his missions are all tied up to the Grove because he's their leader but since he got sent to a prison hospital cj had no choice but to look into other ways opportunities to survive and make sure Caesar and kendl safe its almost as if he wanted to get out of the hood because he regrets letting his brother Bryan die and leaving his childhood friends as well as his mom which is why he wants to do something better in the future to feel redeemed but sweet doesn't realize that because he sticks to his morals about staying close to the hood no matter the cost which is very selfish in a way because he didn't appreciate cj's hard work even though cj stole a military jet just to get his brother out of jail and yet sweet isn't great full because he thinks now that cj went full business man he's probably gonna end up like smoke and eventually forget about the hood all together.
Sweet didn't care about personal success. He wanted to see the entire hood succeed not just himself and his immediate family members.
@T Mitch just imagine if cj tries to hire some gsf members to work as security for his garage and casino businesses..
If you hear big bear unused dialogue, he says that sweet did nothing for the hood after Brian death, that's why drugs did get into the hood.
Exactly then sweet decides to try drugs until Carl comes in and stops him
You made something which nothing to this day could. You made me realise all the perspectives of the important characters. I have played this game since 11 years. Very well done!
It’s not about just growing up and dying in the hood, it’s about making the hood livable, everyone wants to leave the hood for a reason cuz it’s a den of drugs and crime, Carl wants to run away for it but sweet wants to make the hood a place people don’t feel like it oppresses them
I feel like this video overlooks the severity of crack on the storyline. Sweet isn't just angry that Carl left the hood, he's angry that Carl let all of their homies get taken out by the ballas or get hooked on crack.
When Carl is bragging about all the money he's been making, Sweet is furious that he hasn't even tried to stop Big Smoke from pushing crack on their homies.
In fairness, that's cus Tenpenny said he'd hurt Sweet if Carl tried, but Carl never even mentions that. Carl is geniuenly excited to be out of the hood, and Sweet resents the fact he's not willing to go back and help the homies.
@@inurokuwarz how tf is the ballas taking over grove street and the familes getting hooked on drugs,CJ's fault? He's only one man
Making the hood livable? How? Sweet only had a problem with crack. How does drinking, robbing, murdering and doing nothing remotively productive all day make the hood a livable place?? Because that's what Sweet did pretty much all time, and most likely would have continued had Smoke and Ryder not betrayed the Grove.
I had a friend like sweet he’s dead now when I talked about leaving he clowned me. Sucks that mental slavery still exist
Sometimes mind beats strength
💯💯 still smh.
I’m not gonna lie.. when sweet started going off on CJ for having a better life while he was in jail. I was like bruh only if you knew the real reason you were released. If CJ didn’t help all of these folks and just stayed in the hood, Sweet probably would’ve been still in prison right now.
I feel like Sweet is staying in the hood bc he wants to protect everyone in it. He is the leader, he cares about the people he's in charge of. Sweet may see CJ as not understanding what it's like to stick to your principles and that's why he's always so hostile. To be honest, CJ wanting to take Sweet and Kendl out of the hood is really kind of him, but it shows that he doesn't think about the bigger picture; everything is good for him but not everyone else. Sweet has a big brother mentality, meaning he thinks he's right a lot of the time, but it also means he is more parently to his homies and strives to take care of them. He is the leader, so maybe he sees himself as the Grove's big brother in general.
I think Sweet still cares deeply for CJ, he's just not that great at expressing it. A lot of people have this problem. Also you have to remember that Sweet has a lot to worry about, and he feels he has a responsibility to the Grove. If he left with CJ, it would be pretty much surrendered to CRASH. Sweet is rough around the edges but he is not a complete asshole. Also in the second-to-last mission, I think Sweet gains a little respect for Cesar because he hears him say that he wants to bring his gang back together and he wants to defend his own turf. Sweet would understand that and I think that’s when he finally realizes that Cesar isn’t that bad a dude--if he had just been more open-minded like his brother then maybe early on he would have taken a liking to him because he would have seen Cesar’s true principles. Unfortunately Sweet is stuck in his mindset, which I think is both a good and bad thing because it shows he has integrity but it prevents him from trying new things to improve. Like you said, he has that tradition mentality where they have to do things the old way, not considering outsiders for help. Personally I disagree with him on this but tbh I think he is the only one upholding that idea, ao maybe he feels he has an obligation to stay loyal to it. If Sweet no longer had that mindset, that mindset would forever be gone, and in society there needs to be more AND less favorable opinions for there to be a balance. I feel as if Sweet sticks to his guns because if he didn’t there could be a lack of order and things would get more crazy.
And this is not to say CJ is therefore worse by comparison; no, I think they both offer great perspectives and their differences really make the plot more interesting. It’s just that CJ was always the younger brother, always a little more naïve. He did what people asked him to and was very open-minded--if he wasn’t he wouldn’t have agreed to such dangerous missions all the time. CJ is a great main character, because the player by comparison to the situation is also a bit of an outsider, more naïve and is given less information to be aware of. CJ more than anything cares about his family, and wants to do things right. Sweet by comparison feels he has a responsibility to the hood, since it’s where he grew up. Imagine abandoning your principles, and a place where everything is really fucked up, for the sake of living a more carefree life--that is the dilemma Sweet faced, that was what he saw.
About Sweet’s treatment of Big Smoke--Sweet trusted Big Smoke because he was there all along, but he didn’t see it the way CJ did, because CJ backed away from the situation for five years and now knows that there can be traitors and bad ideas in people that you trust. Sweet cared about his hood, and cared about Big Smoke and Ryder too, because they were all good friends. He owes loyalty to them. He also probably didn’t have time to deal with Big Smoke, or look too deeply into his character. Sweet also probably thought that having someone to challenge his ideas was good in a way, but the reason he’s hostile to CJ about doing the same is that he thinks that CJ doesn’t understand a lot of what’s going on like BS does. The way I see it, Sweet was afraid of change, and that was what influenced a lot of what he thought and did. CJ confronted change, and that’s why they are different.
Then to address his double standard with OG Loc, I think you’re right about him being more of an outsider, but the advice he gives him shows that he cares about him and wants him to live happily. That is how Sweet treats his friends, and that interaction is really important because it shows how Sweet treats people he cares about that aren’t affiliated with the Grove.
This is not defending Sweet being cold to CJ, because I want more than anything for Sweet to thank his brother and for them to make up and be a happy family again. And I think if Sweet wanted to change the hood for the better, he should have listened to CJ more often because while he had different ideals, he also had a different perspective, which is really great to have especially for someone near the top that talks regularly to the leader. But Sweet is a good character, flush with principles and a great contrast to the main character. He is a good leader, stands his ground and does what he thinks is right. He has that older sibling mentality where he thinks his way is right but that also means he does what he does in everyone’s best interest and he really does care about his hood; that’s why he stands up against cocaine because he knows it tears the hood apart.
Yes, Sweet is bone-headed, but like you said that makes him incorruptible and strong. BS and Ryder were more bendable, weak-minded.
And I agree, I think Kendl should have said something to Sweet, especially at the end of the game. I’d like to think she does off-camera, and that they have happy endings of course :)
But I enjoyed this analysis, and I hope you read this cause this is what I believe. Sweet was always my favorite character, I guess since I always like the characters no one else likes. Also I am relatively new to this game (I know a lot but I haven’t been playing it since childhood) and community, so I think my opinion while not as good as someone who has played this game longer is of some value (kinda like CJ’s outside perspective lol) at least. And if you read this far, thanks homie :>
Man i love the professionals lore videos hearing them at work through RUclips premium is the best!
If you haven't already, there's a rewrite version of this game's storyline on both Fanfiction and WattPad called "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rewrite" where Sweet actually gets better character development. You should give it a read if you haven't already.
That's a damn good rewrite.
flaimthrowerzatwes19 I just got reading that rewrite, and the part where CJ called Sweet out on his bullshit was just cathartic! I so wish that moment was in the actual game.
Give me a link?
I wanna read it so badly, homie.
To be fair, I don't think Sweet really meant anything he told Jeffrey. He was just saying that to make him go away because he was annoyed with him. If he really meant everything he said to Jeffrey, he would have explained the dangers of being a gangster to him straight up and how it's the wrong path.
I kinda feel like he is just blinded by loyalty.
Thats a fair point! He is oldschool and set in his ways. But as the leader of GSF he should be alot more aware of things! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
The main reason I got pissed off at Sweet is because he called Carl a perpetrator. In what circumstance is Carl a perpetrator in any way possible? Carl agreed to stay in Los Santos to help out the gang, by keeping his word, had a sense of loyalty towards his siblings as he felt an obligation to protect them. Now, of course, he successfully got businesses in San Fierro and Las Venturas, not because he was trying to get rich, but because he was trying to support himself, Kendl and Cesar financially in order to return to Los Santos, and exact revenge on those who betrayed Grove Street along with Sweet, who was in prison at that time. And after Toreno got Sweet released, he immediately lashes out at CJ just because the former wanted to show him some of the outside world. How can something be harmful when a person just wanted to show his/her sibling a different world? Now, I am talking about this from my personal experience. I had to leave the old neighborhood where I was living years ago due to some problems. My friends over there were initially sad, but didn't try to obstruct my parents from leaving any way possible. There was this one friend of mine, who studied in the same college where I was, but despite being friends, she never talked to me, unless I attempted to make a conversation with her. And, I noticed this same attitude with almost every single friend of mine when I returned to that neighborhood. They did speak in a nice way, but me and my sister felt insecure deep down because it seemed like they didn't feel interested in us being in that place any more because we had to leave them. I always to tried to make myself be loyal and helpful to them after leaving the place. Now, yes, even my friends had this very same old school mentality that Sweet had about his neighborhood. Both were sad as well as mad that the person left the neighborhood. The difference was that my friends were never openly mad at me for having to do so, unlike Sweet, who was harshly judgmental at CJ for abandoning the hood.
Very good points there.
I don't think you should apologise for the length of the video I love the fact you go so in depth with specific characters even if there part in the story is small, keep them up man
Sweet; Carl you should get some new clothes at Binco.
*months later*
CJ; Hey let me get you some new clothes!
Sweet: NANI?!
I mean at least Sweet Moral on point where he refuses drugs to affect him and his family and he thinks he can save them. It's pretty much saying doing Good is hard but being Bad is easy Smoke and Rider took the easy way out.
Sweet is not a good person. He is toxic. Toxic people are evil.
I think the reason is as simple as the fact that Sweet has never tasted life outside the hood, so he was not able to see the opportunities it could give him.
CJ's exile outside Los Santos gave him a new perspective of life and made him able to see the world outside Grove Street in general.
That’s what I loved about CJ character development
At the end, I think he was basically saying that they need to get rid of any lasting effects from the fights. Basically clean up the area and make it better. He wants to improve his neighborhood. That said, his and CJ's goals aren't necessarily opposites. In fact they can work together really well if they spent his fortune the right way.
Man, CJ and Arthur are my favourite protagonists, both go above and beyond to provide and care for others.
Also, Toreno says he'll make sure sweet is "well taken care of" and he literally means that, Toreno knew CJ would take care of his brother, i think Toreno always was hinting at getting sweet realeased.
The longer the video the better
Glad to see someone who agrees! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
No one that has the opportunity to leave the hood, stays.
Yeah cj had the right mindset he wanted to get out and move on to greater things, sweet was just stuck in the same old mentality wanting to protect the hood forever, that’s why all that crazy shit happened to em cuz he still wanted to stay in the hood, if he had just left with cj he wouldn’t have had to experience any of the fucked shit that he did.
Except Sweet
Moving on and letting go is hard you can’t really blame sweet this is the life he only knows
Great video bro make more like this frfr, this will make yo channel blow up
Sweet: "How dare you want to have well-being and happiness in your life? You have to die from a bullet in the head defending this pigsty CJ."
"excuse my language" no. no need. this is an m-rated game. you get a pass. (:
I find it funny as well, but I think he's just staying true to his channel's name
@@KL-je9qq yeah seems fair. I truly respect him for that
Man I just love this guy and his content he's one of the few people that still make good gta content truly amazing!
How 'bout your feelings about Lance?
10:21 let's see what CJ done for the hood that Sweet is too chicken shit to do himself he dealt with rival gangs, destroyed crack factories, and did missions that would make Ethan Hunt blush just to save his ungrateful jealous brother from federal 'pound me in the ass" prison
I think Sweet has problems but I kind of see his point. How is the hood ever going to become a better place if all the successful people people keep abandoning it leaving only the bad people?
Also they had friends they’re and cj just left them their
Exactly. Like brain drain on a micro scale
It never becoming better, thats why people leave, sweet was a gang member, how the hood will become a better place when people are killing each other? he did nothing, he let his gang fall apart and then started to smoke crack.
To an extent I agree with you. But I live in a not so good neighborhood and you know from my perspective, It almost never gets better. It would take a huge movement to get the attention it deserves but there's almost no improvement. It's a weird feeling like you know that the city itself doesn't want to help you out. My Aunt(Who I live with) was attacked actually at her job which is in a bad neighborhood and shoplifting is rampant. There's nothing in the area that'll help them even the police don't wanna get involved. As I said before, in these areas it basically feels like you've been abandoned by the city itself that's why most things don't change.
in the end they took down Smoke and Tenpenny, possibly ending the crack epidemic. He did make the hood a better place, but as expected, Sweet still wants to live there
Tbh...
I can relate to sweet...
Irrespective of one's local area, state or country. Standing by and for your own area is like a moral bond/obligation, and fix things there and make it better. I guess selflessness? Not sure. But also, hating someone because of ones choice? Can't relate to that.
yea bro i agree. & there are times when i’ve said things to my brothers that i’ve regretted, & times when i was a hypocrite too. i think these are mistakes of real life
@@vivaprez true that
I've lived a comfortable life in my neighborhood for the entirety of my life. My aunts and mom felt so confused as to why my grandmother insisted to stay in this home despite them taking her to a lot of different countries where they currently live. (we live in the Philippines) She bought this house 20 years ago. I feel kinda confused but also kinda understand her especially because I am the only one she spent her life recently with. To me, yes this neighborhood is home where the person at a local store knows what stuff I'm up to the moment I show up, they immediately know what kind of cigarette I puff and what food I eat. It feels like this entire neighborhood is a big'ol house. But at the same time I have to move out to try and live a life of my own and achieve my dreams, I basically have to leave all the stuff I spent in this household The memories, food and the times where I played PS1, PS2 and PSP for countless of hours or other stupid stuff I did as a kid. We have to live a life of our own and not get stuck with one place. That and we'll end up dreamless. This is a very good analysis. I've been watching ur vids for a week now and I still haven't subbed. However this video made me click the subscribe button. It was so good of a content. So please, keep doing the hard work and thank u for this wonderful content.
Bruh, the first vid I saw of yours was about who really killed CJs mom, that was about a month ago. I was disappointed that you didnt have many san andreas analysis videos like that but still subbed. Your other videos got me into gta and red dead online though tbh. Anyway long story short this video is a breath of fresh air, San Andreas has such a rich story. Love this vid!
The funniest part of the game , is how sweet recognises moms blender , really c`mon man.
When he compared him to smoke he didn’t know all that smoke had done , also he was sounding similar to smoke talking about leaving the hood and chasing money that’s literally all smoke was about in the end .
6:44 been a long ass time since I’ve heard you swear Pro
You can go to any hood and talk to an OG and they’ll most likely sound like sweet when comes to why the love and care about the hood.
I love these videos. They’re so in depth. Keep it up man!
I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
Ryder acts the same thing. He was rude to CJ as well. Ryder was never going to betray Grove Street, but that all changed when the voice actor quit. If Ryder was never killed, I bet he and Sweet will be mad at CJ for abandoning Grove Street. Ryder was never meant to be the antagonist, only Big Smoke. Imagine Ryder helping Sweet and CJ at the end of the mission.
I love ryder and its hard for me to accept that he was also a traitor
ik this was made 3yrs ago but i disagree i feel that ryder would agree with cj the only reason he was mad was because he left them in the hood
It amazes me that these kinds of videos are still coming out 17 years after the release of the game ! Really says a lot about the game
I always thought it's because he's scared of the world. I have this planned fan fiction where Sweet and Brian are protagonists, and the one that travels San Andreas is Sweet. During it, he sees a lot of horrid things, and that was the backstory to me -- maybe he has traveled, been traumatized by what's out there, and is afraid to leave home just as well. I wanted to stay true to the San Andreas flair by having Sweet do similar over-the-top things as what we do in the original game. We don't really see how Carl's adventures affect him, but the way I see it, Sweet's adventures were traumatic for him. This is a perfect analysis, but if there were a real San Andreas Stories, I like to imagine it should have two playable protagonists, Sweet and Brian, until Brian's death. Because I honestly hated how in Vice City Stories, Victor leaves the city but you still have control of him. With stories like that, that's when you need backups; in VCS, we should've taken control of Diaz, as he's the owner of the city, or at least filling the power void the Vance Crime Family leaves. But it's just my take. There could be room to develop Sweet in both ways as to his mindset.
If there was a San Andreas Stories game, i want it to follow Sweet's story, being the protagonist, 5 years before San Andreas takes place and after Brian died. CJ left to Liberty City, Beverly is still alive, Tenpenny didn't order Big Smoke to kill Sweet, Ralph Pendelbury is still alive, he still tries to show the true side of Tenpenny, Sweet and his gang took over the entire Los Santos but something bad happens and we could finally understand Sweet's fear of the outside world. But i don't think it's possible, because if it does follow Sweet's story, Rockstar needs Young Maylay and others back.
I was surprised to hear that you have Polish origins, greetings from Poland mate
Też od Kovala?
Sweet is a great character. If anything, I just wish they'd have a redemption cutscene somewhere before End of the Line. One where Sweet is made aware of all the shit CJ went through. Your idea with Kendl lashing out at Sweet would've been a great example.
there is a removed conversation from CJ and Big Bear that indicated Sweet's hood mentality (and his lack of intervention when there was tension among the Seville Boulevard and Temple Drive members) was the issue, or at the very least a contributing factor, when the Grove Street Families fell from grace before CJ left for Liberty City
A lot of other characters in the game is saying CJ is being selfish for wanting a better life for himself and family. What's so wrong about wanting success for himself? It's not like he was trying to be like Big Smoke by selling crack
In the Torino mission where you have to steal the jet off the aircraft carrier, you can destroy the front two jets in the ship and then get into the one at the back of the ship so you would only have one jet going after you, making the mission somewhat easier
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I think what Sweet meant with CJ sounding just like Smoke is that both seemed to want to abandon the hood and live a life o luxury, away from family, aways from the homies, forgetting what is important: the hood itself. That's the issue Sweet sees there, imo.
Don't apologise for the length, 30 to 45 mins are perfect for lore.
Enough time to grab a snack and hit a j.
Most people tend to not appreciate longer lore videos! Its nice to see someone with a healthy appreciation! By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
@@equanimity92 sounds pretty cool. Especially the GTA series is oftentimes underrated.
Most players seem to value the freedom of acting without doing the role playing, if you know what I mean.
All the easter eggs and references to incidents, cultural items or hot topics.
Specifically the protagonists of San Andreas and five can be seen and interpreted in different framings.
Will gladly have a look, good lore is like criticism, something essential to grasp whatever item you're looking at.
Sweet is a man of principle:
CJ did most of those things for everybody else out of guilt
Thats a fair point! But I feel that what CJ lacks in principles, he makes up for in pragmatism. By the way--I made a Lore video on Big Smoke I think you might Enjoy! I did one on Ryder too! ( I plan to do more on the other characters in the coming months too)You should come hang out on my channel and check it out when you get a chance. would be incredible to get your thoughts on it!
Agreed. And that first thing you said is one of the things I think most people don't understand about the character.
I've read a good bunch of comments hating the character, but most of them seem to hate Sweet because of some sort of belief that he has a some kind of crab in a bucket mentality; trying to bring everyone else down out of jealousy, when all he wanted early on was for CJ to make up for the time he ran away and by the end he doesn't mind CJ living in a mansion as long as he develops his principles to not turn out like Smoke.
Smoke was trying to recruit CJ
His principle are toxic.
He is not. He always dragged CJ down. He had a "hood mentality" which pretty much means he wanted to spend his entire life doing gang related activities and live a low-life kind of life in that very same cul-de-sac.
2 kinds of people in the hood.
Ones trying to get out
And ones trying to own it