A Rolex still in stickers: Is the Sea Dweller an investment watch?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Victor from Spain is facing a tough set of choices. His Rolex 43mm Sea Dweller SD43, Rolex 126600 can go back to the Rolex Service Center to be regulated. But will the RSC remove the stickers? Will that devalue his watch? And is the Rolex 3235 movement fatally flawed? So many questions! Let's talk about it.
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I've got the SD43 and it's awesome. Will never ever sell it. Proud to be able to own one. Always wear it and enjoy it.
I bought many watches with the idea of selling them in some point, like panda Daytona, blue steel sky dweller, few datejusts,….etc but when I saw the sea dweller with the magnifying bubble and 43mm size, for me this is the Rolex to have, it had the exact great look of submariner and it is chunky “which is a plus for me”. So I didn’t care about the value because for me this is a matter for my kids after me
I'm waiting on a SD43 from my AD. And when (if????) it even comes in, and gonna buy it, and wear the HELL out of it, and enjoy it.
Yes indeed wear it!! I bought my SD43 a month ago and I've been wearing it constantly since I put it on in the shop (I even sleep withit). The only time it leaves my wrist is when I'm at the gym or when I'm about to do any other activities that might damage the watch. I by watches because I like them and for wearing them witch I usually do for very long periods. And when I want a change I'll take one of my other watches and wear it for some time. And when I do I'm just as happy when I put it on as I was the first time!!😄😄
I just got mine about a month ago also. So far I love it. Everyone talks about how big this watch is but I don’t think it wears that big even on my 6.5 inch wrist. It is a thick watch but I have been wearing for a straight month and can say it would be fine for a daily driver. So far mine is running plus 1sec a day.
@@mojostudio403 Agreed. After about 6 months with a Pelagos on my 6.7 inch wrist, I tried the Dweller. It's absolutely awesome. Wear it low and loose or snug above the wrist bone.
I own t t sea dweller 126603, I wear it 4 days a week. Life is too short to not enjoy what you have. I wear my Daytona and Hulk when ever I put on my t-shirts and jeans. I buy the watches because I can afford to wear it and enjoy them.
The Mark 1 will go up. It’s the first production year for the 50 year Anniversary. Collectors of dive watches will snatch all those Mark 1’s. They didn’t make that many. After a few years those will all be in safes. So grab them while there are still in the ball park.
If I was going to pick a Sea-Dweller for an investment it would be the SDK4000 as it had such a short production run. If your 43mm Sea-Dweller is out of spec then I would take it to a well known independent Rolex repair guy. If you tell them not to remove stockers then they will keep them. I personally went for the Sea Dweller because I got the the date without a cyclops plus I find the Submariner to be a bit too ubiquitous for my taste.
agreed, if there's one SD that could be very collectible, it's probably going to be the 116600, ridiculously short production run for a modern rolex, the previous generation and next generation looking nothing like it, and widely considered as a 'transitional' model.
Take the stickers off and wear the damn watch!
Looks like as of today the newer Subs and SD43 are going for the same price on the preowned market so I would take the SD43 for sure. There’s a reason why it’s more money than a sub retail. It’s a high end looking watch
Try on the two tone! It's crazy good.
I have this watch, heavy, but when fitted proper, Avery comfortable, fun watch.
I wear mine everyday. Love my SD43.
SD has historically not been a big seller for the brand. I agree with Marc. However, the watch is definitely worth more in pristine condition with stickers. It depends if you bought as a safe queen for someone else to wear it or bought it for yourself. If you bought it for yourself, then wear it and it will give you joy not worries
@@Nexus.Achiles my recommendation is to leave it as it is. Even if out of cosc specs doesn’t really matter.
Not wearing a Sea Dweller to keep its resale value is like not having sex with your girlfriend to keep her tight for the next guy.
It's a tool watch. It's meant to be on your wrist every day, through whatever you're doing.
After being on a seemingly endless waiting list for a SUBMARINER, I went in to my AD to check the difference between the SD43 and the Deep Sea 44, they were both much more impressive than the Sub. Hopefully they will arrive...is it an illness or is it a hobby, good question
I have a SD43 inbound today, I plan to wear it and enjoy it like my previous/other more rare models
If you cannot afford wearing a watch - do not buy it.
Greetings from Malaysia. Thanks for video, sir. Just got mine at the age of 48 last March 😍😍😍. Love the "Wear your watch! Feel the steel"......best quotes ever 🤜🏼🤛🏼
The SD43 nop
… the SD4K 116600 absolutely
SD 43 currently is selling quite a bit above retail now on the gray market...
I don't think the guys question got addressed properly. He's not asking if it's an investment watch as much as he's asking HOW MUCH WILL HE LOSE if he has the watch repaired and stickers removed? Personally I would NOT wear the watch, he hasn't worn it for years, so clearly it's not a priority. I'd just sell it with stickers and all and recoup my money.
By the way, I had my new watch sized at a Rolex AD and they scratched the bracelet. So yes, they can absolutely scratch watches.
"I don't understand how watch movements work, so design flaws in watch movements must not exist" - what an interesting take
My SD43 had the same thing about 18 months after buying, it was sent back to RSC and its been fine for a year so far. It is a mark 1 dial
@@Nexus.Achiles I wear my Sd43 for about a week every month or so now. I used to have reset the time every day because it would loose at least 3 mins a day, now I can wear it for two weeks and I never have to reset time. The watch was sorted out under warranty but Rolex wouldn’t tell me what the problem was
I bought a Rolex GMT 1675 for $5.5 k in 2016, sold it in $9 k one year ago! That' s what I name: Investment!
Love 'ur channel, best regards, bud!
An index fund still beats that handily...Still it's nice to have a watch keep it's value and then some.
Wrong Professional divers wear watches and never wear computers!!! Sea Dweller is a watch designed for saturation diving and we were them in saturation. Sea master and sea dweller very common with Saturation divers!!
Would take the SD over the Sub ALL day! It’s bigger, has bling with the red lettering, and is just built better.
I have this watch,a JC, DS. heavy, but when fitted proper, Avery comfortable, fun watch.
hello, I would like to share my opinion since I tried the submariner and sea dweller 43 and any value could take in the future the reality the sea dweller is much more interesting in all aspects aesthetic material function etc. I already wear a 41mm Tag Heuer and when I wear a sub it doesn't surprise me I find it super discreet unlike the sd43 you see the material and you feel the energy.
Geez wear the watch.
I look after my watches and try and not get them scratched, however this is not at the expense of being worried to wear them.
If I spend the money I want the enjoyment of the wear.
1 year later, and he has been proven wrong. Big time. I have a sea dweller red line fully stickered, never worn, and it's going for around 22k. Bought it in March 2022, and it's worth 10k more than retail right after walking out of the AD. Charles Schwab would have told me I made a great investment, and would be asking me how I did it. Lol
Exactly! This dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol. But hey, everyone’s got an opinion. If anything, and this is what I’m predicting, this watch the the next sleeper. The last big sleeper was the John Meyer green dial Daytona. This is that next big sleeper. And the reason I say this is because, if you really think about the history of the SD, this is the culmination of everything, that I believe, Rolex envisioned for the SD. A great example of that is their signature cyclops. They couldn’t do it before because of technological limitations 50 years ago. Now they can. They brought back the single red letter, which I suspect they will revert back to white at some point. This reference, imo, is one of the most important Rolex references to come out in the last 40 years.
@@carlosopinion5629 If anything, the big sleeper is the previous 116600 that many consider as a 'transitional' SD and only had a production run between 2.5-3 years. Whilst the Mark 1 126600 was only produced for a year or so, the replacement, the Mark 2 which is still super close to the Mark 1 is still in production till now. Given the size and the longer production run, I really doubt the 126600 will outperform the 116600 in the long run.
btw they're not trading more than 10k above retail at the moment, they're currently trading close to retail or even slightly below as of time of writing this comment.
I just bought a SD 43 brand new, unworn, box and all papers, April 23 date of manufacture in NYC for $14,800.
watch are made to be enjoyed... wear it for 20 years + ... one day when you need some cash you can sell it if needed ... it won't loose value but at least you will enjoy it
My SD43 has a small piece of fluff under the glass. I am not sure if it is from second hand dealer trying to authenticate it and maybe it got there when they opened it.
Mine had the same but got it from rolex ad, brought it back and now it’s good as new!
Sorry but professional divers do not wear dive computers. Some of us do prefer to wear dive watches at depth. Scuba divers wear dive computers..SD43 is a Saturation diving watch hence the helium release valve. Its purpose is to release helium when we are on deco in the chamber. Again we do not wear dive computers. Cheers
Just found one for a friend and he bought it. In a world of over priced Rolex watches, these are a bargain!
-5sec a day is something you should never worry about it. Like you said Marc, this is not a watch will ever go crazy on second hand market. I recommend him to wear it otherwise sell and make another investment other than watches
Absolutely wear it!!
Marc, Dallas RSC scratched my watch a year ago. Fact. No loupe needed it was a pretty bad scratch down the side of the case.
I tried on the SD43 last month and man I LOVED IT! Only problem? The cyclops. I may have to try to find a 116600 because of this but those are too pricey IMHO.
On my 7 and 5/8 wrist the 43 fit fantastically well.
I have both and believe me the 43 is better in terms of proportions (and movement), too thick lugs of the 40 and the 40 is top heavy. The 43 is more comfortable to wear. , the MkI was only made for one year, so more unique and worth more in due course.
Anytime someone starts an email with “quick question” you know they are going to ask a very detailed and complicated question. Great job Darc Mulberg
just got one last week :) amazing watch, beautiful wears easily it is the perfect tool watch... I get +1 sec / day brand new out of the box
Hi! Disagree! Right now practically all models of Rolex is high volume end very very hard to find end perches! The secondary market is 25-30% more than original price! All I want to say, if I get the Rolex, I may not make much, but I definitely not lose! End if you want to sale it in a few years, you probably get more then original price! Off course a few models are going to be much more expensive! I would say: any Rolex watch is an investment!!
There is actually 2022 red line Sea Dwellers on chrono24 right now going for even less than retail at a AD. Took only 4 weeks for my AD to offer me one at retail. I turned it down and chose to stay on the unofficial waitlist for the one I really want which is not a Sea Dweller from my AD.
Dive watches are still nice to have on a dive. While they don't get in the way and are generally only used for photo props on a dive, they are nice to have if something does go wrong with your dive computer. Should have a backup of just about everything, Spare air bottle, backup pressure gauge from your dive computer etc. Nice to have a time reference when need it. Hopefully you don't but....................
I'm trying to find a model that was originally bought by someone to wear it, but then he lost interest, so it stayed in the safe for 3 years. If that kind of watch exists, I'd like to know!
I am a Rolex fan & Yacht Master appeals me a lot but my question is…. Is this watch a good investment piece??
I like the recent titanium yacht master edition
Is the Sea Dweller an investment watch? In one word: No.
The Sea Dweller is a terrible investment. It's a massively underappreciated watch. It's a connoisseur's watch. It's a niche watch. Just like the Milgauss. When you buy a Sea Dweller, you are looking for a Sea Dweller. If you're looking for a dive watch, you buy a Submariner. If you want a dive watch with ridiculous stats, you buy a Deepsea.
The Submariner is the ultimate dive watch. The Sea Dweller is the ultimate Submariner. The Sea Dweller 116600 is the ultimate Sea Dweller. The 116600 is built like a tank without looking like a tank. It's not oversized just to set it apart from the Submariner. It's a normal sized watch that's designed for dive professionals, making it the ideal watch for people who are serious about dive watches.
Absolutely 💯 right. The SD4K is the last true sea dweller and the best out of all of them .
You are absolutely right, Marc. Wear it. It is a Rolex. No other watch adjust its mechanical automatic movement like them ( I own my own atelier, with Wischi watch expert III chronocomparator, amongst too many other tools). I own a lot of high quality watches (Patek, to name one), and even with the gyromax balance wheel you are not able to obtain the famous Rolex ¨flat line¨(and one of my Pateks is a limited annual calendar, Patek Philippe Advanced Research, with silicon parts). The only watch that is close to the Rolex is the Grand Seiko Spring Drive. BUT you cannot compensate the advance-delay with the overnight position (in spite of its high precision); Rolex IS capable of this, and also Patek (my best Patek is a small Calatrava...what a nice one! I love it!). There's a plethora of watches out there. And some of them are nice (I mean in terms of timekeeping). But none of them are Rolex. Rolex is the go-to watch for the one which wants only one watch for a lifetime. It is strong, it is elegant, it has a extremely reliable support behind it...(errr...I am not a Rolex employee!). In fact, I own a lot of watches because I love them, but from a practical point of view (practical AND stilish), no one ressembles a Rolex. Try to wear a Jaeger, a Chopard, a Vacheron, a Zenith, a Panerai...or a precious watches like the already named Patek, or more recently F. P. Journe. There are no comparison, believe me. It is more a question of...illnes?. Hahahaaa!!!. I love my watches because I am not a practical man. If I were, I will have only a Rolex (or two...or three...or...hahaaa!).
One last thing: I never sold any watch I own. I feel this inside of me something like a betrayal, and even more: a big personal loss. But this is a personal opinion, of course.
For my birthday i recieved a JC DS White gold prohunter#1 of #100,i love it.
With Investment Rolex having the stickers definitely makes the watch more desirable to collectors. A unworn, stickered watch with a unfilled warranty card and all it’s accessories is a true investment grade. A watch in that condition will always command absolute top dollar. Start taking away any of that and the collectibility and value will start dropping. Period. If your looking at a particular Rolex for investment potential there are better choices out there then the current SD43 Redline. The 2014-2016 SD4K for instance. Low production, out of production, transitional, last 40mm Sea Dweller model
Marc the Superlative Chronometer specs for Rolex is +2/-2. Regarding values of the Sea Dweller I'm going to disagree with you as my 16600 M serial which I bought in mint condition and it's up 82% over the price I paid.
Marc sounds just like me I have a no date submariner that I wear daily and I have 2 more watches a rolex batman gmt nos with stickers never been worn and seadweller 43 red dial worn 2 times and I don't have the balls too wear them and enjoy them 😂 I think I have a problem too.
What a good video - just genuine, honest and sensible advice
As always great video Marc. Question, what do you think about trading a gmt pepsi (126710LRO) for a daytona White dial (116520). What would you do? Which will hold better value ?
Guys need your opinion here. I do have this SD43 + JC + SD tritium. I think I am crazy 😜, but unable to decide which one to sell whenever I need to fund another watch to diversify my collection or to release some cash 💰. Every time I decide to sell one of them I hesitate, but I might be forced to sell one. I like the red line and the idea that it’s an anniversary watch, but I do appreciate the dial and story of JC more. On the other I enjoy wearing my SD43 in office. I don’t think selling a full set pre-ceramic tritium SD is wise too, it took me a year looking for one in good condition with full set. I do have 2 Speedies the 6969 and the Moonwatch. I wish to diversify and get a Reverso. Which one to sell 🤔?!
marc maybe you could do a video about the sd4k 116600 !!! can this 40mm be my every day watch?
Phird : I love my SD43
Agree: wear it. But don’t leave the stickers on, jeez!
Yeah it’s certainly not an investment piece .at present . If you hold onto long enough will take you into profit after costs .. Nothing certain but the profit percentage looks pretty minimal . It’s watch to wear . It’s crazy spending 13 k and keeping it in a safe in the hope you may make a few grand somewhere down the line . As you say your not going to make too much more on a stickers piece than worn ..
No , just sell it and get the James Cameron instead,
all the other models way too small as far as Rolex goes,
that’s what I reckon.........
But who’s gonna take any notice😂😂
116600 - This is the model to own.
Definitely feel the steel...
Sd43 my daily I love it
I started my Rolex journey in the early 2000 and it was a very basic entry level day date then I graduated to a GMT then I moved up to a Submariner then I went to a Yaght master of all these watches I should have kept that bluesy submariner right now what I paid for it and what it goes for today I would have almost quadrupled my initial investment.
No it’s not, it’s been out for close to 5 years n only going a thousand dollars over retail on the gray market. Where as hot models like Panda, Hulk, Kermit, Root Beer doubled and going to triple the price of MSRP, those are the only good investments if you get it for retail at the AD. Steel sports are hard to get on at the AD but that doesn’t mean the price is astronomical on the second hand market you will only make less than a thousand more if you know what you’re doing buying and selling.
GREAT advice given here... I might even Subscribe, which is Unheard of for me.
As for Victor... too late to give him my 2cents, but yes, WEARING the watch will reveal its true accuracy. That watch should be slapped on his wrist and worn for At Least a solid week and Then checked. I bet my eye-teeth he would've found out it Was within spec. (and make sure you wear it keeping up your Regular level of activity..)
I might grab the two-tone SD43, as an update to my Vintage 1967 GMT Pepsi, which is ticking away on my wrist rifht now, as it has since my sister found it on a beach... 55 Years ago 😉 👍 🍻
This guy's story is ridiculous, from the start until the end!
Victor, anda, quitale los stickers y ponte el reloj de una vez ya! Tanta paranoya...!
How long should someone keep a Rolex they don't like as much as others before they sell it. Don't want the AD to perceive this individual as a flipper.
@@michaelhowarth710 I'd say at least 6 to 12 months before you sell it.
@@Nexus.Achiles I agree with the post above - being fully stickered an AD will perceive them a flipper. Victor, you won't get a lot more than retail price for some time even safe-queened. Remove the stickers, have it regulated, wear the watch - even worn you'll get at the very least the retail price you paid if sold on (whenever that is) and you will have been able to enjoy the watch. Personally I think the SD43 is visually and technically special in comparison to Submariners.
@@Nexus.Achiles The main thing is, that whether you decide to wear it or keep it pristine, it's very, very unlikely you will lose money on it. I really hope you start wearing it Victor and enjoy it. I find sales persons at the ADs take me much more seriously when they notice I'm wearing the SD43 over my others, probably as it's more of an enthusiast's watch than a quick flip investment model.
End one more thing: only Rolex watch are hard to get, all ather brand’s available to perches, it’s amazing but it’s a fact !!
would a watch winder help ? or better , wear it ? you have a good take on this M G . ~ JDS/CT. - be safe
Wear it or sell it... that's it. Yeah, I think it's 100% that the RSC would remove the stickers. That seems to be the standard demanded from the AD's, so not sure how it even gets out of the AD with stickers. My AD won't leave a single sticker on a Rolex.
My brand new Tudor GMT was sent to RSC for the date wheel issue. RSC told me they have to remove all the stickers on my new watch due to COVID-19 and sanitize it before servicing it.
I recently just bought 2 Rolex watches from my AD within weeks of each other and one being sd 43m and asked to keed the stickers they said no Rolex policy 😥 I don't know mrac i see these mofos going for almost 4k more than what i paid..
makes a video looking off the left? wtf?
This watch will cost 40k as soon as it goes out of production
Marc do you think the Rolex James Cameron is a sleeper investment piece?
More like a sleepy one.
@@marcgoldbergdogtrainer Well I hope it wakes up 😂
I like the watch a lot. Reason it doesn't get much attention is because for most, it's unwearable as it's too big. SD43 is a close second, else it would have been more popular than it currently is. Ever seen an asian wearing a Deep Sea? LOL. They'd have to take off 4 links and the case is still bigger than their wrists.
@@ronnypaul1400 Fair points! The Asian market does have a lot of sway when it comes to amplifying scarcity on certain models, so I can appreciate the correlation.
What a seriously bizarre way to live life!
Marc is totally right here. They are a niche product from Rolex. Far less likely to be sought by women or men with smaller wrists. The entire market for this product is significantly smaller than that for say a GMT or Sub. And even in the current drought, you hear of people picking up watches at retail like this without ridiculous wait times.
For all these reasons, and more, the watch is never likely to be much of an investment. It will likely drift upwards over time, as so many steel Rolex watches do. So you should easily be able to recover your 'investment' when you decide to move on. But so many unlikely scenarios would have to fall into place to make even a couple of grand on it. Which means from an investment perspective there are a ton of other options that would yield better. And clearly the current trend is smaller steel sports watches like the Sub, GMT and Daytona in terms of genuine profit potential. Good luck finding those at retail though, especially once the AD figures out your game.
Love your thoughts
Wear you watches, that's ridiculous
Oh I have a Rolex I never wear but here is a picture of it. Ha
Nice video as always let the sticker pill off by itself and enjoy the watch
@@Nexus.Achiles better regulate it... it’s still in warranty ... and as of now they have already made a good structure with service center... let me remind you it’s better on the wrist rather winding it... cheers brother enjoy the watch
If you want robust accuracy get a spring drive! Rolex are tool watches they can take quite a beating but they are made to be worn!
great video Marc
I thought the MK I has the 3135 movement vs the 3235 in the MK II.
Got the feeling that wearing the watch could help the movement remain healthy if that is a concern to Victor.
Just wear it and enjoy it.
good morning
Feel the steel! Haha love it
investment piece... you are one of those people eh? roll eyes
Yes the service center does occasionally scratch watches. I can tell you from personal experience. I sent my watch in for a service and it came back with marks on the bezel and clasp. Had to send it back. They did take care of it but it was all a big inconvenience.
Wear this wonderfull watch or sell it to me 😂
No watch is a good investment
@@Nexus.Achiles no need to do anything. Just keep it as is.
PHIRST
I think he painted himself into a corner, this is up there with Clyve’s sticker-gate.
I’d pick the sub over the sd43 anyday of the week.. something about the bezel i dont quite like
Sound common sense advice as usual.
@@Nexus.Achiles Get it regulated while still in warranty at no cost, I do not think lack of stickers will make difference to value and you would be very unlucky to get it damaged at service centre so get it fixed and enjoy your watch.
Sorry I mean LITTLE difference
Second
I think investment watches is such a silly idea and is at least partially responsible for the terrible availability because folks that aren't actually watch people are just buying Rolex as an investment.
Great watch, caliber 3235 is not that great,
I get -1 too +0.5 seconds a day. I didn’t think a watch could get that accurate.
@@danielvandermerwe7921 Using a watch timing app on my phone, mine is showing +0.4 deviation per day, blows all my others away
I would rather have the Rolex Submariner 116610LN, what are you're thoughts? He should wear his watch in good health enjoy it not save it for someone else to enjoy 😉
Just wear the watch Victor Alvarez