Your closing question, "Should intelligence determine your place in society?" is a moral one. The book isn't asking a moral question but an empirical one, "Does intelligence determine your place in society?" and providing evidence that it unavoidably does.
We should expect that when IQ tests were literally *invented* to measure traits that correlate with performance in organized society. Bit of a dumb question, actually. Its original purpose was to identify individuals that needed more support so we could GIVE IT TO THEM. So it follows to assume that any other criteria and factors that influence IQ score (like stress responses, sleep quality, mental health, motivation, etc., most of which can be linked to genetics,) will also reduce one's academic performance, societal success, and quality of life. The book fails to appropriately address that, instead pitching IQ as some fundamental measure of worth in a way that is... *circular to its own definition.* That's probably why nobody thought to write this crap for the first 90 years IQ tests existed. For individuals, IQ tests can be helpful-ish, but in groups of people trying to solve problems, the far greater predictor of success is diversity. There are 8+ other types of intelligence that IQ tests don't measure... which were valuable to human survival before we went out of our way to "standardize" everything... And might become valuable again when/if everything falls apart. It might be in our best interests to learn how to harness them and collaborate NOW.
Considering society as a complex system, a minimal error is enough for the prediction to be largely wrong. I believe that small, frequent changes focused on the short and medium term are safer.
"The rich ruling class has used tribalism, a primitive caveman instinct, to their advantage since the beginning of time. They use it to divide and conquer us. They drive wedges between us peasants and make us fight each other, so we won’t rise up against our rulers and fight them. You can observe the same old trick everywhere in America today... That doesn’t just happen all by itself. There are always voices instigating these fights." ― Oliver Markus Malloy This is eternal.
Very true. Back in hunter/gatherer times, everyone in the tribe had to pull their weight in some way. Those who didn’t would be killed or expelled from the tribe (which meant death anyway). So it was impossible for parasites to survive. But when humans created permanent settlements & civilizations, it opened the door to those parasitic individuals via governments & elitism. And that’s been the fundamental struggle of humanity ever since - those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor for themselves & their kind vs those who want to parasite off everyone else. The same instincts that were once assets for our survival in cave man days have become liabilities in modern industrialized societies.
I agree! 100% So disappointing to know we who see these truths are few and far apart. One pro is that it ads to my ability to give a damn less and less every day.
The real class divide in the United States is between those who can afford to send their kids to both boarding school and then also one of the preppy canoe tripping camps on Lake Temagami and everyone else who cannot afford to shell out $50,000 per year on private schooling. Because if you went to a public school and merely score well on the SATs you’re stilll considered culturally deprived for having to endure 13 years of schooling mingling almost entirely with dullards and cultural zeros. But one thing I noticed with both my childhood doctor and parish priest who both went to Harvard after Brown and Yale respectively was their innate mediocrity in spite of having such educational credentials. And that would be because you can’t fix personality disorders which prompt individuals with high IQs to select for mediocrity and security in a predictable environment. The doctor wasn’t allowed to study psychiatry at Harvard because he was considered too flaky and the Episcopal priest gravitated to the safe middle ground of broad church modernist heretics where opinions are carefully crafted to conform to the expectations of well educated rationalists as opposed to diving into the deep end of Anglo-Catholic mysticism But if I’d suffered from insomnia I could have covertly tape recorded his sermons and then played them back to put myself to sleep on restless nights.
Intelligence will manifest itself as status in a society that values it. Social organisms that promote uniformity of thought often attack individuals who demonstrate above average cognitive capability. Whether or not IQ should determine position in a society, a low IQ society behaves like an auto immune disorder in relation to high IQ individuals. This forces the brighter ones to become even sharper and necessarily more cunning. Todays heresy is tomorrows dogma. The heretic rarely achieves the social status enjoyed by the dogmatists who initially oppose and who form around their work when they are gone. Who is more intelligent, the visionary or the social pragmatist? A species of darwinism I might call it...
Thanks. I have my copy from long past and value its ''intelligence' and its impact on my life. I was fortunate to get a bit of mine and I now appreciate it more than I can say or share.
Speaking from a German perspective: In the German parliament, we currently have an academic quota of 87-91% who not only govern but, through social segregation, rarely have anything in common with ordinary citizens. This is a major problem as people no longer feel represented (for good old, materialistic reasons). The idea that people might feel represented through shared values and ideas is a cognitivist, but above all an aristocratic idealism that emerged with the French and American Revolution, and dates back to Plato and his concept of an expertocratic ruling class. Needless to mention what kind of backlash this can trigger in times of materialist crises (looking at Germany in the 1930s...). You will recognize this pattern, this structure in almost all Western societies (if not even beyond). Whether intelligence is genetically inherited or not is (from a pragmatic viewpoint) highly irrelevant. If we follow Hobbes' thesis (and I would highly recommend this) that politics should serve social peace, and reject his argument for a monarchist state for this very reason (social segregation), we get an insight into why the Greeks introduced sortition as the main instrument for democratic organization - for an anarchist, though not anomic form of living. Not everyone can be CEO. But everyone has a voice. Therefore, he/she/they can be a citizen and thus has the right to have an equal say about the rules we, as a society, want to live by.
Maybe they should cut off the billionaire welfare checks. Elon musk has so many companies but not one of them make a profit and yet he's the wealthiest man in the world?! Because he gets government welfare.
This reminds me of the movie GATTACA where eugenic merit can be purchased by wealthy parents. Who wouldn't want their children to be stronger more talented and more intelligent? Isn't that the Platonic ideal of an enlightened despot? And if intelligence or other genetic traits could be selected for or even engineered then wouldn't a more stable society require that certain sets of traits be less prevalent in members of society where those traits would lead to social instability. I would rather have a servant that is happy to mop my floors and clean my toilets and would never consider a life beyond their station. After all someone has to do it.
MONEY is all that matters. Those without it lack agency, connections, crews, clout, computer code (lol), control, corporate communities, and opulent opportunities. Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with any of it. That's why Chump and 3l0n are aligned, succeeding, and triumphant in everything they do: THEY'RE *GODS.* 💪😎✌️ Both literally and figuratively. They have it all, but intelligence doesn't play a key role. Only the CASH FLOW is what matters most. 💵🇱🇷💵 #BeRich
It's just a little too much for me that you keep using the exact same "music" background in all of your videos so im just gonna block you forever even tho I like the information of your videos but you have just zero creativity on playing a different music background It's just too much for me so sorry. The same repetitive same thing. To much. Again thanks. And sorry
These comments are pathetic... the world or anyone doesn't owe you anything! A hundred years ago you would know your place in society or die from hunger... jus because Elon or whoever had billions, doesn't mean he owes YOU a million lol where did this reason come in society? Especially in the USA, where were better off than 2/3 of the rest of the world, compared to BILLIONS of other people in the world, you yourself are Elon lol so start giving YOUR money out...
Your closing question, "Should intelligence determine your place in society?" is a moral one. The book isn't asking a moral question but an empirical one, "Does intelligence determine your place in society?" and providing evidence that it unavoidably does.
We should expect that when IQ tests were literally *invented* to measure traits that correlate with performance in organized society. Bit of a dumb question, actually. Its original purpose was to identify individuals that needed more support so we could GIVE IT TO THEM. So it follows to assume that any other criteria and factors that influence IQ score (like stress responses, sleep quality, mental health, motivation, etc., most of which can be linked to genetics,) will also reduce one's academic performance, societal success, and quality of life. The book fails to appropriately address that, instead pitching IQ as some fundamental measure of worth in a way that is... *circular to its own definition.* That's probably why nobody thought to write this crap for the first 90 years IQ tests existed.
For individuals, IQ tests can be helpful-ish, but in groups of people trying to solve problems, the far greater predictor of success is diversity. There are 8+ other types of intelligence that IQ tests don't measure... which were valuable to human survival before we went out of our way to "standardize" everything...
And might become valuable again when/if everything falls apart. It might be in our best interests to learn how to harness them and collaborate NOW.
This may just be the 143rd rule that I am the exception to...
@@nottilthursday If I may ask, what are these types of intelligence? You've piqued my curiosity and I kinda wanna look into them.
@@thehalohunter Idk about the rest, but I wrote a paper on IQ vs EQ and the studies show that EQ is a better predictor of academic success than IQ.
Considering society as a complex system, a minimal error is enough for the prediction to be largely wrong. I believe that small, frequent changes focused on the short and medium term are safer.
"The rich ruling class has used tribalism, a primitive caveman instinct, to their advantage since the beginning of time. They use it to divide and conquer us. They drive wedges between us peasants and make us fight each other, so we won’t rise up against our rulers and fight them. You can observe the same old trick everywhere in America today... That doesn’t just happen all by itself. There are always voices instigating these fights." ― Oliver Markus Malloy
This is eternal.
the elites gather power by dividing everyone and creating groups of buckets of crabs all keeping each bucket in check themselves.
Very true. Back in hunter/gatherer times, everyone in the tribe had to pull their weight in some way. Those who didn’t would be killed or expelled from the tribe (which meant death anyway). So it was impossible for parasites to survive. But when humans created permanent settlements & civilizations, it opened the door to those parasitic individuals via governments & elitism. And that’s been the fundamental struggle of humanity ever since - those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor for themselves & their kind vs those who want to parasite off everyone else. The same instincts that were once assets for our survival in cave man days have become liabilities in modern industrialized societies.
@GenerationApollo Yes, 100% true. We are a victim of our "programming."
I agree! 100% So disappointing to know we who see these truths are few and far apart. One pro is that it ads to my ability to give a damn less and less every day.
"If you ain't rich, then you ain't sheet." --J.P.
The real class divide in the United States is between those who can afford to send their kids to both boarding school and then also one of the preppy canoe tripping camps on Lake Temagami and everyone else who cannot afford to shell out $50,000 per year on private schooling. Because if you went to a public school and merely score well on the SATs you’re stilll considered culturally deprived for having to endure 13 years of schooling mingling almost entirely with dullards and cultural zeros.
But one thing I noticed with both my childhood doctor and parish priest who both went to Harvard after Brown and Yale respectively was their innate mediocrity in spite of having such educational credentials. And that would be because you can’t fix personality disorders which prompt individuals with high IQs to select for mediocrity and security in a predictable environment. The doctor wasn’t allowed to study psychiatry at Harvard because he was considered too flaky and the Episcopal priest gravitated to the safe middle ground of broad church modernist heretics where opinions are carefully crafted to conform to the expectations of well educated rationalists as opposed to diving into the deep end of Anglo-Catholic mysticism But if I’d suffered from insomnia I could have covertly tape recorded his sermons and then played them back to put myself to sleep on restless nights.
This video.
Thank you, these always help me look at new perspectives.
Intelligence will manifest itself as status in a society that values it. Social organisms that promote uniformity of thought often attack individuals who demonstrate above average cognitive capability. Whether or not IQ should determine position in a society, a low IQ society behaves like an auto immune disorder in relation to high IQ individuals. This forces the brighter ones to become even sharper and necessarily more cunning. Todays heresy is tomorrows dogma. The heretic rarely achieves the social status enjoyed by the dogmatists who initially oppose and who form around their work when they are gone. Who is more intelligent, the visionary or the social pragmatist? A species of darwinism I might call it...
stupid is as stupid does. Intelligence can be measured in different ways
Thanks. I have my copy from long past and value its ''intelligence' and its impact on my life. I was fortunate to get a bit of mine and I now appreciate it more than I can say or share.
Speaking from a German perspective: In the German parliament, we currently have an academic quota of 87-91% who not only govern but, through social segregation, rarely have anything in common with ordinary citizens. This is a major problem as people no longer feel represented (for good old, materialistic reasons). The idea that people might feel represented through shared values and ideas is a cognitivist, but above all an aristocratic idealism that emerged with the French and American Revolution, and dates back to Plato and his concept of an expertocratic ruling class. Needless to mention what kind of backlash this can trigger in times of materialist crises (looking at Germany in the 1930s...).
You will recognize this pattern, this structure in almost all Western societies (if not even beyond).
Whether intelligence is genetically inherited or not is (from a pragmatic viewpoint) highly irrelevant. If we follow Hobbes' thesis (and I would highly recommend this) that politics should serve social peace, and reject his argument for a monarchist state for this very reason (social segregation), we get an insight into why the Greeks introduced sortition as the main instrument for democratic organization - for an anarchist, though not anomic form of living. Not everyone can be CEO. But everyone has a voice. Therefore, he/she/they can be a citizen and thus has the right to have an equal say about the rules we, as a society, want to live by.
Maybe they should cut off the billionaire welfare checks. Elon musk has so many companies but not one of them make a profit and yet he's the wealthiest man in the world?! Because he gets government welfare.
?
3l0n and Chump are *GODS.* 💪😎✌️ Face it, accept it, kneel and bow to them for acceptance and forgiveness for your internet insolence.
They were right, however uncomfortably, until student loans and the commercialization of university education.
Lol. As if to prove the statements in the book false: turns out, teaching all the idiots to read and write is a bad idea.
50th like!👍
Awesome video!🤘
Keep up the awesome work!🤘😎🤘
"You rise only to fall."
The mandatory first... Also, interesting topic. Let's see what you have to say.
This reminds me of the movie GATTACA where eugenic merit can be purchased by wealthy parents.
Who wouldn't want their children to be stronger more talented and more intelligent?
Isn't that the Platonic ideal of an enlightened despot?
And if intelligence or other genetic traits could be selected for or even engineered then wouldn't a more stable society require that certain sets of traits be less prevalent in members of society where those traits would lead to social instability.
I would rather have a servant that is happy to mop my floors and clean my toilets and would never consider a life beyond their station.
After all someone has to do it.
I remember that movie!😎👍
Me too ~ Gattaca came to mind right away !
I do not need numbers
OOPS!!! Here we are!
always surprised of the bullshit suggestions i get from the algorithm nowadays ..
.
MONEY is all that matters. Those without it lack agency, connections, crews, clout, computer code (lol), control, corporate communities, and opulent opportunities. Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with any of it. That's why Chump and 3l0n are aligned, succeeding, and triumphant in everything they do: THEY'RE *GODS.* 💪😎✌️ Both literally and figuratively. They have it all, but intelligence doesn't play a key role. Only the CASH FLOW is what matters most. 💵🇱🇷💵 #BeRich
That didn’t take long…
Boring entrance. Didn't make it after 2 minutes
What's a good free test that will produce an acceptable result?
]
It's just a little too much for me that you keep using the exact same "music" background in all of your videos so im just gonna block you forever even tho I like the information of your videos but you have just zero creativity on playing a different music background It's just too much for me so sorry. The same repetitive same thing. To much. Again thanks. And sorry
There's no need to worry, my carbon-based friend. I possess no emotions. If the information needs to come to you, it will find its way.
The Bell Curve sucks -- read The Mismeasure of Man instead. 😛
Fax this is the new discrimination
Who is this guy ? Mark Manson?
Impressive. Develop(ed) a questioning mind for the sake of the mind. Who taught you to think? 😂 Trip out!
These comments are pathetic... the world or anyone doesn't owe you anything! A hundred years ago you would know your place in society or die from hunger... jus because Elon or whoever had billions, doesn't mean he owes YOU a million lol where did this reason come in society? Especially in the USA, where were better off than 2/3 of the rest of the world, compared to BILLIONS of other people in the world, you yourself are Elon lol so start giving YOUR money out...