Anybody watching this, concerned about getting a manual, with the so called offset pedals. Don’t be. They are offset, ever so slightly, but not in anyway problematic. I took a manual out on test today, very comfortable car, soon get used to slight difference in feel. Barely noticeable. The way it’s described in some videos, that you feel like your feet are out of the car, or twisted is a massive exaggeration. I went through all the gears nicely, and operated the clutch comfortably. The only noticeably difference is having less room to rest your foot when you’re not accelerating. Go auto if you want an auto, but don’t do it based on the offset pedals comments. Try it for yourself.
I've had a 320 sport for the best part of 5 years now and its never disappointed me on a run. Travelling from the South West to Bergen in Belgium on a full tank of fuel and back again topping up UK side of the euro tunnel on the return leg. Awesome car :-)
Tyrone I have driven the 328i and own the 328d (that's what the 320d is named in the U.S.). Both are great cars. If acceleration matters more to you then get the 328i if you want better MPGs get the 328d (320d). I will say that even though the 328i is faster, the 328d is no slouch. I have no problem getting up to speed on the highway.
I have had my 320ix for 9 months and it`s a fun car to drive. The engine is very peppy and in sport it has plenty of power for me. I have the sport package that is a deal that makes car even more agile with the 18 inch tires. I had a 2011 328ix with the inline 6 and I don`t miss the added power that comes at a price in poor gas milage compared to this turbo 4 with over 30 miles a gallon so far. I get a kick out of the haters bitching about BMW mechanical issues. The car comes with a 4 year 50,000 mile all included service plan that is all you can ask for. When I get near that 50,000 limit I`ll trade her in for a new one like I did with my 2011. BMW treats you like you want to be treated and more so it`s worth the little more you pay. Both times I bought program cars with 4,000miles that knocked $5,000 off the sticker of $39,500 bringing the price down to something I could handle. I have enjoyed my experience with the 3 series the last 4 years and plan to continue loving my baby Beemer.
This is one of the reviews that helped me make up my mind to get a 320d , love it, my first diesel also, been very happy with it even though its a lower spec SE model , its a great drive, comfortable frugal, and solid , i reckon i made the right choice.
I second that. Before the stupid RFTs, the turbocharging and bland styling. The E36 and E46 were amazing BMWs. They were tight, solid, great handling and had that simple yet substantial feel when driving them plus they were beautiful to look at.
The engine isn't smaller, it still is the 2.0 liter diesel, only with 116bhp (316d) or 143bhp (318d) instead of the 184bhp of the 320d. My father's 318d F31 (so the Touring) hasn't got 1000miles (that means that the engine isn't runnig at its best yet) but already does around 55/60mpg, while travelling with the boot very full. That's impressive.
In my father's F31 318d, at 80mph-130km/h you could whisper instead of talking. The engine purrs at 2100rpm, you hear some road noise (that's because of the winter tires and the rough italian roads), but nothing much. No vibrations, no hard reactions from the suspension... More confortable than the Mercedes I've been in. As for the style, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I do like BMW's and Mercedes' design, but not Audi's.
I was a long time BMW owner, and loved the last E90 I had. But when change time came, I researched long about the 2 liter diesel engines. Was truly tempted to get a 120d in mint state, but got scared by all the ruckus about the engine´s severe design problems. I hope they solved them on this 2.0 liter diesel engine model.
Manual and Auto transmission can't operate in the same car at the same time. However, gearbox developers found a balance for drivers who prefer both manual and auto in the same car. The result is what is called the Dual Clutch gearbox. Many car makers install this type of gearbox in their cars now. e.g. Mercedes call theirs MCT BMW = DCT AUDI/VW = DSG etc With these intelligent gearboxes, you are able change gears manually, or you can just press a button and leave the car in automatic mode.
Drove a new 335i Twin Turbo 2 days ago.... I had so much fun driving it. I drove it fast but their was a lot of traffic in ATL so i couldn't go all the way on the floor.
NOTE TO AUTO MAKERS; FIX THE RIGHT HAND DRIVE ,AND STEERING WHEEL PLACEMENT. ON a Maserati the pedals are SO close together, heel and toeing, are VERY EASY. Hitting the break on a QUATTROPORTE, YOU CAN HIT THE BREAK AND GAS AT THE SAME TIME. Mostly when just starting out, like me. :)
Agreed. Having had both, this is so true. Runflats + sporty = harsh but fun ride. Merc "floats" to your destination. :) Both wonderful, its like chosing between blone and brunette :)
BMW diesels do trundle loudly at idling speeds but their statistics are unbeatable. The new 325d 2 litre diesel packs a whopping 218bhp and 450nm torque and can still bring back OVER 50 mpg on a combined cycle and less than 130g CO2/km, beat that!!!
the car is equipped with comfort access which means you font need to use the key. What you see there is so that you hold the car's remote close to that symbol for when the car fails to recognize the remote.
the new headlamps will take some getting used to, but bmw will always be top of this class in terms of handling. all the interior stuff is all good alterations, but in all honesty I wouldn't bother with a diesel as it takes some of the joy of driving it away. go with a manual and petrol version and you'll have no regrets, in fact.. i'd like one myself :)
I heard that cars are cheaper in the US, so I compared a 328i luxury from US website to a less equiped 328i luxery to a belgian website and the price difference is 10.000 euro!! And I live 700 km from Bayern! Still love this car though!
The thing is, he is driving a diesel. The diesel is really jerky at times and has less features than the 328i but the 328i is just incredible. The engine is fantastic, more features, 0-60 about 6 seconds and top speed 155 mph. 328i FTW
That is a pity to listen to. I was disappointed going from a 2001 E39 (interior looked like a luxury hall) to a 2008 318i E90, whose interior looked cheap in comparison. So if what you say is how it is...I am headed towards C Class sometime from now...thank you for the comment.
- All the sedans are locally produced by Benz and the even the BMW has started to locally produce the 3 series and 5 series, 7 series comes as a CKD and its still cheaper then the locally assembled S Class
If you think performance and MPG is the only thing going for the BMW then I suggest you actually watch this video and compare it to his review of the A4. The BMW's chassis is in another league to the A4. Driving a BMW and driving an Audi are just leagues apart from each other. The A4 looks the same as it has been for 8 years and it's getting tired. BMW have given the 3 series some muscle which makes it look fresh and sharp. Much better interior? Hardly. More spacious? Perhaps.
Fair points. I was speaking to US buyers for the most part. BMW's 4 cylinder turbo is great, no doubt. 240 hp vs. 201 hp. My point is that I've seen 4 cylinder 328s at 47.5K US dollars, wheareas I got my loaded C 350 for 42.5 US dollars. And I do not like that floating iPad nav screen which BMW & Audi have opted for.
I personally think BMWs look better than Audis. If you want a driver's car, get a BMW. If you want a comfortable car, get a Merc. I would personally never opt for an Audi.
Well then take some advice from a racing driver. A RWD car should give you much more control over the rear axle. They are usually faster than 4wds around corners because of their superior ability to yaw. Just because you can get a 4wd around a corner faster doesn't mean it's a better handling car. 4wds require less skill to corner relatively well.
- In India the Benz are more expensive by a decent margin even though they are locally produced, that's why my family went in for two BMW 7series and one 3 series over the benz ..
It means that the previous model (the king) is gone (dead) and it has been immediately replaced by a successor, so long live the new king. It's nothing bad
Are you trolling or are you terribly misinformed? Any 2012 328i with the standard turbocharged inline 4 does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, while the Santa Fe barely gets to 60 in about 8.3 seconds. You can't compare any new BMW's performance or refinement to that of a Hyundai SUV, I mean come on. This IS a premium car and the 2012 model is marvelous.
I´m between that one and this one. The 2006-2012 was a joke for me. But this new one is really, really good. Personally, my favorite feature of this car is the three lines it comes in, (Sport, Luxury and Modern).
Well, what did you expect? In these videos, Mat Watson is required to review cars in less than 5 minutes due to time/budget constraints. He is just an employee, remember. Saabkyle04 has no such limitations to his filming. Those are his personal videos. So he can go on and on for as long as he likes. That is why his reviews are so detailed. But if you were to give Mat that same freedom, he would probably do just as well, if not better. Remember Mat is a professinal journalist. Saabkyle04 is not.
in most respects, the 320d is better as the engine has much more torque making it faster, more fuel efficient and quieter at highway speeds. however in many countries the 320d costs slightly more than the 320i, so it comes down to your budget and exactly what you want from your car
The formula one cars and competition cars (in 24 hours of lemans for example) has RWD because the RWD is more "hard to drive" but also are more sport, and the AWD brings to the drives a "unfair" advantage.
well yes because he loves the fact that it is the only car in its class with 50-50 weight distribution and rwd and fast and more economical than a merc:)...bmw=fun and comfort;merc=comfort
Be more specific. For instance, you can't compare a 328i to a C180, the 328i is better, so it's gonna costs more. Bimmer is not better going through cones only, it has a better fuel economy, it's usually faster e the technology in this last car is breathtaking. Yes, MB really usually is cheaper than BMW, but that 18,000 dollars save you mentioned I just can't see how it could be possible.
excuse my ignorance but is it possible to buy a manual and then put in automatic in also, so it would be possible to use the clutch and 6 speed and then with a shift go into automatic?
this block is completely unpartial.i mean no one said anything bad about the new 3 series but this man spotted out the practical flaws of this beamer.having said still it is the segment winner. king is dead and long live the king
Anybody watching this, concerned about getting a manual, with the so called offset pedals. Don’t be. They are offset, ever so slightly, but not in anyway problematic. I took a manual out on test today, very comfortable car, soon get used to slight difference in feel. Barely noticeable. The way it’s described in some videos, that you feel like your feet are out of the car, or twisted is a massive exaggeration. I went through all the gears nicely, and operated the clutch comfortably. The only noticeably difference is having less room to rest your foot when you’re not accelerating. Go auto if you want an auto, but don’t do it based on the offset pedals comments. Try it for yourself.
a bit late but there is no justification for why you would choose a manual over the best in the market auto transmission system there is
I've got a F30 320d & it's completely faultless what a brilliant car
How’s it holding up? I don’t know if I should buy one because of the timing chain issue
Zaker I only recently bought one, 150k miles on it, chain done, runs perfectly, great car.
@@davolyncho5992 who buys 150k mile bmw. I bought my x5 from 2011 with 30k
@@adamhussain2220 I do, it’s near mint, hasn’t had 1 issue, it’s perfect. As long as you look after a car you should get 250,000 miles out of it easy.
@@davolyncho5992 idk I probo just have ocd as I think that the seats are crapp over 100k and it’s bound to break down
Have to say, The 3 series is the best looking from its class.
@Costel Coaie Yes
@Costel Coaie C Class looks classier, however the 3 series looks tougher.
Jaguar XE looks the best in this class!
@@Zunimassa97 yeah C Class always looks classier but 3 series always has the sporty and in my opinion better look.
@@Zunimassa97c class is taxi car. 3 serie for driving😂
I've had a 320 sport for the best part of 5 years now and its never disappointed me on a run. Travelling from the South West to Bergen in Belgium on a full tank of fuel and back again topping up UK side of the euro tunnel on the return leg. Awesome car :-)
I have a 320d Lixury auto. Had it 4 years now. Not a fault ever once. Drives brilliantly. Rock solid driving and comfort.
I'm a proud owner of a BMW 328i and I have to say, I absolutely love it!
Tyrone I have driven the 328i and own the 328d (that's what the 320d is named in the U.S.). Both are great cars. If acceleration matters more to you then get the 328i if you want better MPGs get the 328d (320d). I will say that even though the 328i is faster, the 328d is no slouch. I have no problem getting up to speed on the highway.
biggun2188 i believe the theres a 320d in the US, the only difference is the 328d having more power
I have had my 320ix for 9 months and it`s a fun car to drive. The engine is very peppy and in sport it has plenty of power for me. I have the sport package that is a deal that makes car even more agile with the 18 inch tires. I had a 2011 328ix with the inline 6 and I don`t miss the added power that comes at a price in poor gas milage compared to this turbo 4 with over 30 miles a gallon so far. I get a kick out of the haters bitching about BMW mechanical issues. The car comes with a 4 year 50,000 mile all included service plan that is all you can ask for. When I get near that 50,000 limit I`ll trade her in for a new one like I did with my 2011. BMW treats you like you want to be treated and more so it`s worth the little more you pay. Both times I bought program cars with 4,000miles that knocked $5,000 off the sticker of $39,500 bringing the price down to something I could handle. I have enjoyed my experience with the 3 series the last 4 years and plan to continue loving my baby Beemer.
Hired a 2014 320d for a month and drove it all over the UK , really lovely car and everyone loved it, neighbours, girls I pick, strangers
+greathey1234 that's sport version, not m sport
This is one of the reviews that helped me make up my mind to get a 320d , love it, my first diesel also, been very happy with it even though its a lower spec SE model , its a great drive, comfortable frugal, and solid , i reckon i made the right choice.
How’s it treated you
@billy - still love it?
You had any problem with this car?is it reliable?
" it`s gonna take a while .. there`s quite a lot of them " ---> cue tractor noise 0:58
I second that. Before the stupid RFTs, the turbocharging and bland styling. The E36 and E46 were amazing BMWs. They were tight, solid, great handling and had that simple yet substantial feel when driving them plus they were beautiful to look at.
Man now your in carwow
The engine isn't smaller, it still is the 2.0 liter diesel, only with 116bhp (316d) or 143bhp (318d) instead of the 184bhp of the 320d. My father's 318d F31 (so the Touring) hasn't got 1000miles (that means that the engine isn't runnig at its best yet) but already does around 55/60mpg, while travelling with the boot very full. That's impressive.
Still got mine after 10 years (150,000 miles)
Still loving in !! 😊
How do you maintain it? That's incredible
@@richardjohnson4955
Local Independent BMW specialist in Suffolk UK 🇬🇧
Always use genuine fluids ;-)
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You forgot to mention how light and agile it feels despite the fact that its actually slightly heavier than e90,e90 just felt so heavy
made a downpayment on a used f30 320d. Hopefully my car is gonna be great!
How is it treating you?
he had an accident @@rogernkosi8420
Have fun with the new diesel law 😂
Historia w 5 minut ...co
just got mine today in white really happy with it
In my father's F31 318d, at 80mph-130km/h you could whisper instead of talking. The engine purrs at 2100rpm, you hear some road noise (that's because of the winter tires and the rough italian roads), but nothing much. No vibrations, no hard reactions from the suspension... More confortable than the Mercedes I've been in. As for the style, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I do like BMW's and Mercedes' design, but not Audi's.
I love this BMW 3 series, it's look sporty, very nice exterior design!😍
One of the best looking cars out there! Great job BMW!
This was when matts job was Car Buyer but now its Carwow
this over c class any day and a4 even though i love audi u gotta admit bmw takes the win in this category
Matt is still king of car review
Excellent review Matt. This car will give the C-Class a run for its money.
Does anyone else find, that at least the 320d has very little steering feel? Even in the Sport and Sport+ modes, it just alters the steering weight.
I was a long time BMW owner, and loved the last E90 I had. But when change time came, I researched long about the 2 liter diesel engines. Was truly tempted to get a 120d in mint state, but got scared by all the ruckus about the engine´s severe design problems. I hope they solved them on this 2.0 liter diesel engine model.
Manual and Auto transmission can't operate in the same car at the same time. However, gearbox developers found a balance for drivers who prefer both manual and auto in the same car. The result is what is called the Dual Clutch gearbox. Many car makers install this type of gearbox in their cars now.
e.g. Mercedes call theirs MCT
BMW = DCT
AUDI/VW = DSG
etc
With these intelligent gearboxes, you are able change gears manually, or you can just press a button and leave the car in automatic mode.
Oh, almost forgot how good these reviews can be. And damn, that's one fine looking car.
A bit of a toned down review, but always great to watch. Clearly one of the best presenters on the internet. Nice work.
Thanks Mat for another great review! I have a 2013 328i and love it!!
Brian
Drove a new 335i Twin Turbo 2 days ago.... I had so much fun driving it. I drove it fast but their was a lot of traffic in ATL so i couldn't go all the way on the floor.
NOTE TO AUTO MAKERS; FIX THE RIGHT HAND DRIVE ,AND STEERING WHEEL PLACEMENT. ON a Maserati the pedals are SO close together, heel and toeing, are VERY EASY. Hitting the break on a QUATTROPORTE, YOU CAN HIT THE BREAK AND GAS AT THE SAME TIME. Mostly when just starting out, like me. :)
I'm not exactly a BMW fan but I have to admit, that is amazing. No C-class can even get close to that.
I can't wait for the day I can get one of these!
Hi, the BMW is so cheap right now! Just make sure you are aware of the timing chain issue and don’t buy from a guy that’s floored the car 🚗
@@zaker600 Even 3 series from 2017 onward have the same problem with the timing chain?
was waiting for this review so long!!!
it has been 9 tough years huh?
Agreed. Having had both, this is so true. Runflats + sporty = harsh but fun ride. Merc "floats" to your destination. :) Both wonderful, its like chosing between blone and brunette :)
great balance in the reviews! Sporty cars for Matt, city cars for Rebecca
this guy's reviews are the best
Clean diesels are the filter aided engines and it's the filters that cause the ultra thin PM to be emitted.
BMW diesels do trundle loudly at idling speeds but their statistics are unbeatable. The new 325d 2 litre diesel packs a whopping 218bhp and 450nm torque and can still bring back OVER 50 mpg on a combined cycle and less than 130g CO2/km, beat that!!!
i wait for 10minutes to let the video load up patiently on my 256kbps connection so that i can watch Matt reviewing full screen!! LOL!!
the car is equipped with comfort access which means you font need to use the key. What you see there is so that you hold the car's remote close to that symbol for when the car fails to recognize the remote.
Just goes to show, the old 3 box saloon design won't die even in a country where hatchbacks are more popular.
Getting my f30 335d drive in 3 weeks!!!!
You guys make great reviews!!!... Greetings from Argentina!
These front sits are incredibly beautiful and comfortable!
the new headlamps will take some getting used to, but bmw will always be top of this class in terms of handling. all the interior stuff is all good alterations, but in all honesty I wouldn't bother with a diesel as it takes some of the joy of driving it away. go with a manual and petrol version and you'll have no regrets, in fact.. i'd like one myself :)
the king is dead, long live the king! well done Mat!
I heard that cars are cheaper in the US, so I compared a 328i luxury from US website to a less equiped 328i luxery to a belgian website and the price difference is 10.000 euro!! And I live 700 km from Bayern! Still love this car though!
The thing is, he is driving a diesel. The diesel is really jerky at times and has less features than the 328i but the 328i is just incredible. The engine is fantastic, more features, 0-60 about 6 seconds and top speed 155 mph. 328i FTW
No fighting over Rebecca and matt please. Just enjoy the car/review.
That is a pity to listen to. I was disappointed going from a 2001 E39 (interior looked like a luxury hall) to a 2008 318i E90, whose interior looked cheap in comparison. So if what you say is how it is...I am headed towards C Class sometime from now...thank you for the comment.
- All the sedans are locally produced by Benz and the even the BMW has started to locally produce the 3 series and 5 series, 7 series comes as a CKD and its still cheaper then the locally assembled S Class
Happy to see him again !
Outstanding review Matt! Ur awesome man! GLOVE box inside glove box was to damn funny! Hahaha the new 3 series will sell like hotcakes!
The BOXING GLOVE made my day HAHAHAHA
If you think performance and MPG is the only thing going for the BMW then I suggest you actually watch this video and compare it to his review of the A4. The BMW's chassis is in another league to the A4. Driving a BMW and driving an Audi are just leagues apart from each other.
The A4 looks the same as it has been for 8 years and it's getting tired. BMW have given the 3 series some muscle which makes it look fresh and sharp.
Much better interior? Hardly. More spacious? Perhaps.
WHAT AN AMAZING CAR, BMW KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN AMAZING CAR!!!
Matt, just searched your whole channel, how come you never made a review about Subaru?
Cadillac ATS is another viable contender for champ of the sport sedan section.
Fair points. I was speaking to US buyers for the most part. BMW's 4 cylinder turbo is great, no doubt. 240 hp vs. 201 hp. My point is that I've seen 4 cylinder 328s at 47.5K US dollars, wheareas I got my loaded C 350 for 42.5 US dollars. And I do not like that floating iPad nav screen which BMW & Audi have opted for.
Heard these 3 series got a timing chain issue around 70000 or 80000 miles
Now to review the Luxury and Modern lines!
The ad that played before the video was one for the Cadillac ATS, lolololol.
My 2014 320d M Sport X Drive is the best car I’ve ever owned
Bmw audis an mercs are amazing
If u want looks u go for audi driving u go for bmw an style u go for mercs
I personally think BMWs look better than Audis.
If you want a driver's car, get a BMW.
If you want a comfortable car, get a Merc.
I would personally never opt for an Audi.
Interiors in audis are some of the best
can't wait for the coupe and the m3
yes the oil problem happened all over the world, but I heard that it's fixed now :)
0 - 60 in JUST 7:30 seconds?!! WOW WHAT A ROCKET..
Brilliant reviewer for a brilliant car.
he is matt watson from carwow
Best sports sedan .. best review.. Go Matt Go!!
Matt should be telling us about that this is the 'Sport trim' so not standard spec.
Well then take some advice from a racing driver. A RWD car should give you much more control over the rear axle. They are usually faster than 4wds around corners because of their superior ability to yaw. Just because you can get a 4wd around a corner faster doesn't mean it's a better handling car. 4wds require less skill to corner relatively well.
- In India the Benz are more expensive by a decent margin even though they are locally produced, that's why my family went in for two BMW 7series and one 3 series over the benz ..
I m glad Mat did this review,..Rebecca is Good. But Mat is the Best..
It means that the previous model (the king) is gone (dead) and it has been immediately replaced by a successor, so long live the new king. It's nothing bad
Wow the pedals off set to the right?! " This is a complete deal killer to me, no matter what", thanks for pointing it out.
iei matt is back
LONG LIVE THE KING
Are you trolling or are you terribly misinformed? Any 2012 328i with the standard turbocharged inline 4 does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, while the Santa Fe barely gets to 60 in about 8.3 seconds. You can't compare any new BMW's performance or refinement to that of a Hyundai SUV, I mean come on. This IS a premium car and the 2012 model is marvelous.
I´m between that one and this one. The 2006-2012 was a joke for me.
But this new one is really, really good. Personally, my favorite feature of this car is the three lines it comes in, (Sport, Luxury and Modern).
Loved my 330e...Even though its heavy its still a fast and well handle car
Well, what did you expect? In these videos, Mat Watson is required to review cars in less than 5 minutes due to time/budget constraints. He is just an employee, remember. Saabkyle04 has no such limitations to his filming. Those are his personal videos. So he can go on and on for as long as he likes. That is why his reviews are so detailed. But if you were to give Mat that same freedom, he would probably do just as well, if not better. Remember Mat is a professinal journalist. Saabkyle04 is not.
I really don't understand the audi craze. This and the 5 series are the nicest looking luxury cars in my eyes.
in most respects, the 320d is better as the engine has much more torque making it faster, more fuel efficient and quieter at highway speeds. however in many countries the 320d costs slightly more than the 320i, so it comes down to your budget and exactly what you want from your car
The formula one cars and competition cars (in 24 hours of lemans for example) has RWD because the RWD is more "hard to drive" but also are more sport, and the AWD brings to the drives a "unfair" advantage.
well yes because he loves the fact that it is the only car in its class with 50-50 weight distribution and rwd and fast and more economical than a merc:)...bmw=fun and comfort;merc=comfort
just when i wanted to see the review its here!
I love my e36. If I had money i'd buy this one though :)
That was a proper review....he pionts out cons and pros sooooo well. Thank god that other girl dint test it!
dude, trust me, you would want this over the a4 in less than a heart beat.
daym..front end looks slicker
Awww look, its a baby Matt Watson
May aswell be 62mpg and 7.5 seconds, BUT, not at the same time. :D
Or if you live in Australia 90% of the time it will be a Chinese person. They absolutely love these cars.
Also the quality of the beamer is better and the reliability.
What does everyone think off the BMW 3 series 318i auto 2008 UK?
Be more specific. For instance, you can't compare a 328i to a C180, the 328i is better, so it's gonna costs more. Bimmer is not better going through cones only, it has a better fuel economy, it's usually faster e the technology in this last car is breathtaking. Yes, MB really usually is cheaper than BMW, but that 18,000 dollars save you mentioned I just can't see how it could be possible.
excuse my ignorance but is it possible to buy a manual and then put in automatic in also, so it would be possible to use the clutch and 6 speed and then with a shift go into automatic?
this block is completely unpartial.i mean no one said anything bad about the new 3 series but this man spotted out the practical flaws of this beamer.having said still it is the segment winner.
king is dead and long live the king