@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES did you know that passenger or co pilot seat was never found ? they found there bodies and the plane but that one seat is missing ! Word is he had a co pilot and they find his bag he kept his log book in but no log book found ? I call bs people fail to realize who he was running against ! Hillary ! Plus Bush jr was president and his uncle ted basically threatened people to find that plane because they were dragging there arses in the search ! They knew where it was and went down plus i find it very sad he crashes real close to his moms at Martha's vineyard !
@@mariel4085 I've had msfs 2020 for a week and I know you don't want to be fiddling with your radio mid air. You have to have a flight plan. Prepare your frequencies. How can you fly VFR at night over water?
GizmoMaltese you can’t really get disoriented in a simulator this can only happen in the real thing. It’s to do with the inner ear and you can’t experience it by sitting in a chair.
Allison one plane crashed because of the flying instruments, the instruments were showing the wrong things like the altitude was 1000 but on the instrument it showed 25000
Sure. if you're trained in how to use them. The first question I would have asked him boarding at dusk. "you instrument rated?". If he said no I wouldn't have gotten on the plane.
Pilot motto “In instruments we trust”. He was not trained for night flying, barely passed written test, inexperienced, poor weather conditions, foot just out of a cast, on medications, turned down copiloting offer, conflict with wife, super stressed from a long work day and a long drive in bumper to bumper long weekend traffic, while under a time crunch. Arrogant, rich privileged and vastly undertrained. I’m no Jack Reacher but, all boxes checked NOT to fly. 🤦♂️
It definitely would've made a difference if he had taken the somewhat longer route from Long Island up the coast of Connecticut and Rhode Island to Cape Cod. Then go to Martha's Vineyard from there. That way he could've used the coastline as a landmark.
When I was training for instruments rating I would tell myself 'trust your instrument not your feeling'. I must have said that a million times until it was programmed in me.
@ Spit only appears to go outward. If you observe the spitter from a central, stationary point above you'll note that the spit flew tangentially from the turn. In other words it went straight and only appeared to go outward from the reference point of the spitter who was turning.
Considering pilots who crash are all 'Experienced', we're starting to realize experience means absolutely nothing. Planes are more liable to crash during landing & takeoff, when the Pilots are in control versus autopilot.
@@natashacutiepie6074 There are 2 types of pilots. Ones that can fly by their instruments, called IFR, and ones that have to fly by visual rules, called VFR. If VFR pilots are in the air and it gets dark, or hazy, or foggy, they will crash.
There is no Kennedy curse. If you look at the family, most of the males were extreme risk takers. Getting a pilot's license without knowing how to fly by instruments was an accident waiting to happen. His over confidence and lack of training is what killed them.
2 big mistakes add up to the result. Should stayed along the land or shore. He would be able to orient himself with the lights since it was a hazy night and he couldn’t see the horizon. But He decided on the shorter direct across the ocean route to Martha’s Vineyard and lost the lights to orient to. Second, they had planned to leave with plenty of daylight for the flight. But his sister in law couldn’t leave work and they left 2 hrs late. A half hour after sunset. Sorry to say it was bad judgement that did them in.
zt1053 His regular instructor bailed out days earlier to go on vacation. He did talk with another of his instructors that morning but apparently about something else. The instructor apparently never offered to fly with him that night. But John should have asked him or another one. I was really surprised Carolyn went without him having an instructor.
John was flying a plane with a injured foot. He had limited experience with flying with instruments. His mother pleaded with him to not buy airplane. There was so many deaths in air travel with the Kennedy's. A flight instructor offered to fly with him John declined. In a instant the Bissante family lost both daughters.
Way back when I first started flying, I flew a Cessna 150 at flight school wearing a hood, so all that I could see were the instruments. It's scary as all get out, but after a few times of doing this, you learn to trust your instruments, even though things just don't seem right.
@@hopefulvoyage Only my oil pressure gauge. it suddenly dropped to zero, but I knew that couldn't be right because the engine was still functionally properly.
Actually they do. And when they lie you have to figure out 1 which 1 is telling the truth in which one is lying. This is simple for a pro but not so simple for the part time pilot. Always take a instructor or at least a safety pilot along when in doubt. And what about a crosswind landing take an instructor for an hour and learn how to do it safely. It's easy once you learn how. Very intimidating until you do. That would be just one example
Everyone who has ever investigated this case said he never should have gone up. He was not experienced enough and he thought he was invincible and could do anything. Failure was never a thought in his mind.
I am an IFR pilot and have been saying, for years, that this is exactly what I thought happened. The number one cause of small aircraft crashes is VFR pilot inadvertently flying into IFR conditions. As is explained, at low light over the ocean you are pretty much in IFR conditions. He shouldn't have been there flying VFR.
Or the perfect way to escape. Even though he wasn’t IFR rated, everyone knows to trust their instruments. I can’t imagine how many instructors told him about this exact scenario. It’s like the first thing you learn. You would climb instead of going straight down. John was very smart, not your average pilot. I can’t imagine an instructor that wouldn’t have demonstrated this to him. But who knows. He just doesn’t seem the type to panic easily...
If I were Caroline, knowing JFK Jr. was always a risk taker, I'd never get on the plane with just him piloting! A big boot cast, 8:30 pm, hazy, inexperienced flying at night and a stressful day...No Way was it safe!
Factual knowledge make things easier to assimilate. Points do indicate that the person operating the plane may not have been experienced to operate the aircraft depending on adverse conditions. And the beautiful gals, probably didn't know to consider their risks.
Kobe brought me here. I’m sure his pilot experienced this and tried to turn back where he had visibility, but couldn’t tell up from down. 😞 R.I.P. Mamba & everyone on that helicopter
@@TheSunshineplace10 It can happen very quickly. Lose the horizon/ ground and your sense of "UP" gets very messed up. He may have stayed on VFR thinking that he would pop out of the soup quick enough to recover his track. Seems like he thought he had climbed high enough but wound up turning into the hillside. The impact with the ground was 180 mph. Lights out.
Trinity Gilreath - that’s true, but that event happened so long ago and I was able to process it. The Kobe event was more recent & downright shocking. I wasn’t able to process it & I wanted answers for closure. 🤷🏾♂️
@@henrymontgomery5401 To me it is simple and straight forward. VFR pilot strays into conditions he wasn't ready for. Made a bad assumption about where he was. At 180 mph you don't have much time to react.
All that education, equipment and training. Never thought to hang a Saint Christopher medal from the ceiling of the aircraft. Medal leans back, I going up. Medal leans forward, I going down. Medal sitting on ceiling, I upside down.
As a novice VFR pilot years ago, i inadvertanly put myself in this condition. Thank God I went on instruments and got myself out. This is one of the top killers of low time inexperienced VFR pilots who enter IMC flight conditions. I would encourage anyone who seriously flies alot to consider IFR flight training. Trust your instruments as your brain and visual cues can be deceptive. Just saying. You cannot be over confident when flying i think. It is a humbling experience. I have been flying for years now and never repeated that experience. My heart goes out to the families of these young people.
It's so saddening just to see how the fate of so many young, talented and good looking Kennedys came along. Joseph Jr died in WW2 when his plane exploded, JFK & Bobby were assassinated, Ted's plane crashed and he remained in the hospital for months and he lost the presidential primaries because of Chappaquiddick. Patrick Kennedy (JFK's 4th child) was born via C-section and died as an infant just 2 days old. Michael LeMoyne Kennedy (Robert's son) was killed in a skiing accident and JFK Jr. who was expected to follow in his dad's footsteps died so tragically.
Bill S some of that was caused by risk taking. Joe Jr’s tour of duty was over but he had actually volunteered for a suicide mission. He was supposed to parachute out before the explosives went off but they did do prematurely. The sister Kathleen also died in a plane crash but she went up in bad weather. Michael was playing football on skis. The only curses were mainly the assassinations
One of the basic problems was something in John himself. He was a hot-dogger, even as a little kid. I've read about this from a number of sources, which makes me think it might be true. The manner of his death certainly bears powerful witness. As a child, he would hurl headlong into physical situations without due deliberation about the potential risks, or his personal ability and skills to deal with them, which caused his mother a great deal of worry. A hyperactive kid with not a lot of impulse control. If he had thought the whole thing through, he would either have hired a properly trained, experienced pilot, or, better, waited until morning and daylight. Thank God his mother wasn't alive to see this. She survived witnessing the grisly, skull-smashing murder of her husband, while he died in her lap, but this would have been the thing that killed her.
Flying way outside his skill set and not enough brains to know it. The average non instrument rated pilot lasts 45 seconds without a horizon. He had a night rating. He did not have an instrument rating. He flew into haze. Count to 40. Are we turning??? Feels like it
@Goose Tater totally over confident. Untrained for the conditions . Non IFR pilot flying into IFR conditions. Most will last 45 seconds. At best. Caroline and her sister should have understood what they were getting into.
"John-John" was a young man under tremendous pressure to be more extraordinary than he was. Trying to live up to that expectation, he pushed himself here into a situation he couldn't handle.
I think they were probably arguing too. That creates disorientation and stress. A long time ago, someone told me to fly by the instruments, not feelings. I follow that rule.
He failed the bar exam 2 or 3 times, if I remember right. Decided to fly when he shouldn't have and ended up killing his family and himself. Not at all so sure about his smarts.
I’ve watched many videos about VFR pilots flying into IMC/IFR situations in the last few weeks. The common denominators always seems to be “get-there-itis” and pride . Not to speak ill of the departed, but they do have lessons to teach us.
I wouldn't have to be "trained" to trust my instruments. You'd only have to tell me one time..."Whenever there is a discrepancy between what your senses are telling you and what your instruments are telling you, ALWAYS trust your instruments"
Yes you would. Spatial disorientation is a no joke. Also… instruments can fail. Then you are left there to diagnose which ones are true, and which ones are lying. Then you’re flying with partial instruments and having to extrapolate data differently. You’re a fool.
Carolyn Bessette was a classy stylish woman everyone was so envious of her for marrying JFK JR after the plane crash we all realized how unlucky she was, Carolyn would most likely be alive today if she hadn’t met him... John was so irresponsible and reckless to fly over open water at night knowing he wasn’t fully instrument trained...Its been 22 years since this crash RIP to all 3 😢
JFK Jr.'s lack of flying expertise is what ultimately did him, his wife & sister-in-law in. He should not have been flying in the middle of the night. Case closed.
He should have had his instructor come fly with him when he realized they were going to be leaving a lot later than planned. Do that, or just have somebody drive them up.
Underestimating the gravity of a situation can be fatal. This applies to life in general. I knew someone who worked the night shift and got on the highway to drive for hours. She didn’t make it. You never have to get there.
The weather report from Martha's Vineyard that night confirms visibility was from 9-10 miles. There was little wind and 0 precipitation. He waited 45 minutes at Fairfield NJ airport that evening for his flight instructor. The co-pilot's seat was never found. He had just radioed Martha's Vineyard at 2500 ft for his final approach when he just dropped straight to the water. The Pentagon pushed aside the FAA. They searched Long Island Sound in NY when he was already confirmed last in MA. Nuts.
Clintons were also like family to GHWB, so would implicate him and his control over the CIA, FBI, Deep State in the coverup. They needed one of their puppets HRC to have control of NY and could not chance it going to a Kennedy.
Good to see someone else remembers the facts from 1999. With the CoastGuard ooking in the wrong location it gave the (replacement) assassin flight instructor time to escape ~ get picked up by his assailants.
Other than stalls, this VFR into IMC is the most common cause of plane accidents. Even experienced pilots can have a hard time believing their instruments because their "body" is telling them something very different.
That's exactly right I was doing a moving job helping a lady and her son in law was a pilot and he was helping to so I got to talking to him and he said he was trained on instrument flying and he had to disregard what his body was telling him. And he said it wasn't easy but he learned it
Get to know your airplane as well as you can. Close your eyes w a safety pilot of course and listen to the ambient sounds of the engine and relative air flow at different airplane attitudes and power settings. That way trusting your instruments becomes a little easier as you can correlate it w the sound.
According to Johns logs of flight time.. he didn't have enough training on instrumental part he had to just enuff to get his license and to get his license but he was not well equipped in the night flight. Another thing that a lot of people talked about that live in the area going toward or near Nan tucket it's pretty tough place it gets foggy over that area has been a lot of some few accidents
He, probably, told them that he made that trip many times and there was nothing to worry about. No problem. If he would have told them that his instructor warned against it, they, probably, wouldn't have gone. He was an emotionally disturbed guy who didn't have a father to raise him and that affected his cognitive skills. He was immature and dishonest. There are a lot of people like that in this world.
I think Lauren was possibly intoxicated with the notion of being personally flown to the Vineyard by JFK Jr and very possibly inserted herself into a marital situation and a trip where she had no business being. He was not her personal pilot and he likely had zero experience ferrying passengers to their destinations on time. If she had not been there as an obligation, he might have had less of an ego problem aborting the flight. We will never know if she kind of pressured him into going along, or she was the completely innocent victim. For whatever reason, Carolyn did not want to go and it’s entirely possible her sister did not want to see her split with JFK Jr-who would? John was ultimately responsible but I can’t help thinking that his hangers on also placed a lot of weird pressure to be around him in ways that we don’t understand. If he’d been alone, would he have had the same rush to get to his younger cousin’s wedding, would he have aborted the flight, or would he have been just relaxed enough to succeed? We’ll never know. It seems Carolyn was persuaded out of her better judgment by her older sister. Sad.
John was anything but emotionally disturbed. But his father had a helicopter land on the lawn anytime he wanted to go somewhere. He wanted people to leave him alone and he did not have the kind of parents who looked out the window and said, “It’s getting dark, better leave tomorrow.” His billionaire stepfather had a yacht and an island in Greece at his command. John was a smart impulsive guy, never dishonest, who was rich enough to buy his own plane and he did not know how to just abort plans because of a traffic jam and nightfall.
@@ravenel2 I can't fathom how either of you know whether the guy was emotionally disturbed, emotionally healthy, honest or dishonest. Unless, of course, you knew him extremely well, having seen him for years and experienced the best and worst side of his personality. In your defense, you weren't the first one to bring it up, but still, you don't know any better than Alex Vagias. At the very least, the guy was reckless and ignorant of the task at hand and willing to sacrifice the lives of his wife and sister in law to his hubris.
This is what the NTSB came up with 18 years ago. Not sure why they are trying to frame this as something new. "The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be: The pilot's failure to maintain control of the airplane during a descent over water at night, which was a result of SPATIAL DISORIENTATION. Factors in the accident were haze, and the dark night".
It was a classic "graveyard" spiral. These have killed many otherwise good pilots. In the spiral, the normal inner ear sensations involved with balance give a feeling of normalcy. The only defense is instrument flight training and proficiency. The instrument training required for the PPL is insufficient for this scenario. I also recommend the use of a really good autopilot. I'm a 40 year CFI.
True. A fighter pilot once told me that if you roll inverted and start pulling back on the stick with your eyes closed it will feel just like you are in straight and level flight even though you are heading toward the ground at a high rate of speed. The human vestibular system was not designed for flight. We are not birds.
@@joevignolor4u949 I was in a passenger in a Nanchang plane and the pilot was going to do a barrel roll. Eventually I asked, when are you doing the barrel roll? He said 'I've already done it'. I hadn't even noticed, which still blows my mind. So confusing. I did notice the loop we did though, and it was amazing!
@@Ceek30 Your vestibular system will fool you. Depending on how the pilot does a maneuver if the G forces are pushing you towards the floor of the plane you will feel like you are right side up irregardless of the airplane's real attitude. Visual references, if they are available outside, can help. Otherwise you need to look at the airplane's attitude indicator. The mistake JFK Jr. made was trusting his vestibular system rather than the plane's instruments. The attitude indicator was probably showing a sharp bank and the altimeter was spinning down like crazy, but he was just sitting there thinking that everything feels okay.
He actually inadvertently put the aircraft into a spin due to his spatial disorientation. It was a spin to the right which to correct would have required left rudder, and it was his left leg that was injured... On his route he decided to depart the shoreline to get there sooner, that was the fatal mistake.
I have been in exactly similar conditions. Pressure to make the flight, so carrying on as conditions get worse - never be afraid to cancel and go home - might annoy some people, but you will be alive.........In a spiral dive, pulling back only makes things worse. "Power back to idle to reduce rate of descent; level wings; pull hard for the artificial horizon; when little bird WELL above line, go to full power." I missed death by seconds; have never been frightened again. RIP, John. Flying kills.
this is total bs , He radioed in before his decent to land plane , It was Recorded at 9:39 pm . he was in contact for permission to land . minute later plane crashed .
You are absolutely right. He should have listened to his CFI, checked the METAR, checked himself into the nut house for thinking he could properly get into the plane with a broken foot. He should not have had the attitude of hurry up we gotta get going and I can do this alone. The chain of events kept growing like snake around JFK Jr. and it led to a tragic end.
This story a bunch of bologna and there was a documentary on how george bush jr had something to do with it... because he was missing the time of the innocent and was spotted near martha vineyard a few days before the crash....anyways the scenario was the pilot was a manchurian candidate (like the movie) and purposely flew the plane into the water near martha vineyard because details showed once they discovered the plain the fuel silage was turn off which is literally impossible unless manually done, the pilot and pilot seat was missing eventhough pilot was registered to the plane and called air traffic controls for the plane, and video said they delayed a search for jfk jr plane even after it failed to register its final landing for a hour or so ....yea do proper research this video is bologna what famous president or runner up pilot just starts hallucinates and drives his plane into the ground
@@Orlanzepol123 im trying to say he was murdered he didn't hallucinate either matter of fact he wasn't even flying the plane he had registered pilot flying .. but somehow the pilot disappeared once they found the plane wreckage... the strangest thing besides that tho was the fuel nozzle (can't think of the exact word for it) that prevent the plane from spirling to the ground freefall speed was turned off which meant some one on the plane had to do it....why you say that because it was literally impossible to accidently turn it off because you need 2 hands.... there as a video on youtube about it but of course its nowhere to be found now
I flew Jackie, Johnnie, and Carolyn between Hyannis and JFK several times when Johnnie was about 14. I invited him into the co-pilot's seat; he just put both shoes onto the instrument panel, pulled a paperback book out of his pocket, and read all the way to JFK. I still believe he should have been paying attention...
Another example of the family belief that the rules don't apply to them,even with proof with all the tragities that have happened in the family. This a great explanation of what happens when untrained over confidence meets lack of skill,education and experience.
I'm not a pilot buti know three things. One, flying at night greatly increases the likelihood of an accident. Number two, keeping the coastline in view, helps you maintain your orientation. Number three , they should have begun their journey earlier in the day with plenty of daylight. Once the sister in law had been delayed at work and daylight had been lost, he should have rescheduled the trip for the following day so that he could clearly see where he was going using visual flight rules. Had he had done so, all three might still be alive.
JFK ,got himself into trouble in this accident, had to get there nothing else mattered ,wasn't a smart thing to do , he was in too deep ,over his head and it cost not just him but his two very close passengers.
Its curious some instructors would say he was a good pilot others would say he took risks. He should have never left the airport without a co pilot and had no business flying at dusk/night without proper training. The plane he was flying has a GPS auto pilot and it really should not have been a problem to land the plane even without Instrument only rating. All he had to do was contact the tower and they could have talked him through it all the way to the runway until he had visual on the runway. Something went really wrong and its not really clear exactly what that was.
I believe that he was upset with Besset cheating on him, using drugs and dissing him and he committed suicide. That is why he did not mind that she came so late that the flying conditions were way beyond his ability to fly.
VFR into IMC a leading cause of crashes. I took off out of New Orlean's lake front airport at night in my 172 years ago, with my brother and my wife. It was a perfectly clear, moonless night. You would think a safe night for flying. The lake to the north of the airport was a black hole and blended in with the night sky, there was no visible horizon with which to visually level the plane. I immediately experienced vertigo and had I not been instrument rated, would have lost control of the plane. It was so unexpected. JFK jr had no business flying that night and in my opinion, no pilot should fly at night without an instrument rating.
It's kind of funny the way the dramatization has the investigator having a "Eureka!" moment when spatial disorientation would be absolutely the first, middle and last thing any investigator would be thinking under these circumstances.
Ethel Kennedy’s parents died in a plane crash. So did her brother (in a separate crash). Aristotle Onassis’ son Alexander died in a plane crash at 24-years-old.
@@troubledsole9104 - He was in on it. He was a CIA agent at the time in Texas and wrote a telegram to J Edgar saying he had 'heard there was an assassination attempt' planned against JFK coming' - which was code for 'it's on.' It was actually the third or fourth of multiple attempts. Oswald was a CIA agent and a patsy. He didn't 'teach himself' Russian so well that Marina thought he was a native. That's the CIA's Language Institute's job. When Bush was later asked about the telegram, he claimed it must have been another George Bush, proven lie, and when asked where he was when Kennedy was shot, he said he didn't remember. I was 10 at the time, I remember. Everyone alive at the time remembers. He was in on it. Ask yourself how a small oil dealer with an island airfield off the coast of Cuba ends up head of the CIA, VP when Reagan was shot (another plot on his part) and President? Drug running, loads of money. Because he was an agent all along. GHWB ties almost every FF in this country together in a nice neat knot and said himself, 'if the people ever knew the truth, they'd ... variously reported as... string us up, or run us out of town...'
Yes except he wasn’t fully trained on instruments only half way through. I don’t know how a pilot can fly at night without being fully trained on instruments
The reason that JFK Jr, his wife and sister-in-law died in a plane crash had more to do with the way their day went trying to get out of New York on a Friday. Everyone is leaving the city on a Friday. JFK's wife spent too much time getting her nails and toe nails done before heading off to the airport. His sister in law got out of work late and by the time they all meet at the airport, they were running hours late. JFK had checked the weather earlier in the day and it visibility was acceptable for visual reference. JFK was not rated to fly on instruments alone. With the weather changing one of Jr's instructors offered to fly with them to Martha's Vineyard, but JFK declined, he wanted to do it solo. By the time they took off, the sky had become overcast and visibility declined. JFK SHOULD have continued to fly along the coast line as he had done before after dark, but because they were so LATE, he decided to that a short cut and cut across the Atlantic Ocean to save time to get to their destination. It would have only taken him about a half and hour to reach their destination if the sky was clear. It was not. Once they got away from the coast it was pitch black and JFK Jr suffered from Vertigo, he didn't know up from down. Left from right. Based on the angle that Jr crashed the plane into the ocean it was obvious that he had lost all sense of the attitude of the plane. Jr should have taken his instructor, but being over confident and a Kennedy, he got himself killed along with his wife and sister.
John Correct. He should have scrapped going to the Vineyard in my opinion and gone straight to HY along the coast line and requested flight tracking from ATC
I've flown in Saratogas/Meridians a few times. With my long legs I found my knee resting on the elevator trim tab. It is plausible that he was bumping the trim tab and adjusting with the yoke slightly over the course of the trip. Eventually you would be trimmed up so if you were to begin descent for landing you would have very limited ability to pull up or even level off. There were quite a few incidents of these particular planes making emergency landings on golf courses as well over the years. That's my theory anyhow, or at least could have been a contributing factor
There is little dispute that JFK JR. having launched a new magazine, “George,” was seriously considering a run for the New York Senate Seat. Democrats had been urging him to declare his candidacy. He more naturally fit the criteria of residency, possessed an enormous advantage in name recognition and more than adequate funds available to self finance his bid for the open New York U. S. Senate. Unlike the principal front runner he would easily capture the Democratic Party’s support. He only needed to declare himself to capture the nomination. There was little doubt he would crush the Republican opposition and win in the general election. But, what was not known in 1999, was his opposition within the Democratic Party for the nomination would be one content on garnering the nomination was a person who let nothing stand in the way of capturing the seat as a stepping stone for a run for the White House following six or twelve years in the Senate. The name of that person is widely known and one who ultimately won the seat was none other than Hillary Clinton. Maybe JFK JR.s death was not an accident.
What about the military pilots who thought lights in the ocean were lights in the sky? It can happen to anyone, night flying is the most risky. Was it overcast that day also?
Spacial disorientation in IMC for non instrument rated pilots is a common cause in some GA accidents. We used to practice under the hood by deliberately making oneself disoriented by closing ones eyes and making yourself think the airplane is anything but level. Then open your eyes while staying under the hood while the instructor has put the airplane in a bank, decent, climb or combination of both. Then recover the aircraft while your brain is telling you one thing of which you feel but yet you must trust your instruments. You can even get vertigo at times where it doesn't subside until you remove the hood or if in IMC, break out. It honestly takes time but all pilots should get their instrument rating and stay current even if they don't fly in IMC. Its for situations like this it can save lives. Horrible tragedy here.
I was learning to Fly Cessna 172 I had a great instructor he had me bank the plane just a little harder than most of the time and sure enough I got totally disoriented in one second he said he has the controls I let go and I felt as if I just wasn’t meant to fly. He told me the more I do this the better I will become and that my body will learn to adapt to the change in pressure. Flying a plane is no joke. Being a Kennedy I’d bet they treated him like royalty and didn’t put him through all the paces like a full on stall basically making the plane slow down nose up so it falls out of the sky. I’m shaking just thinking and remembering the feeling It seams like both things happened to him a stall a hard bank night no VFR they all was out before he hit the water They drowned in their sleep. I also think he was flying a bit low trying to VFR off city lights so once in trouble not enough room to gain consciousness and correct. Sad sad also going to a wedding two women presents full load fuel luggage weight in plane so many things to look at I can name more and I only had about 10 hours up like 6-7 times
I was raised in wichita, an aircraft manufacturing center. Even non-pilots understood more about aviation than most folks. I have seen several videos about this, but this one seems to put it most plainly. Too wit: If he had taken off at the original time, he'd be alive today. If he had trusted his instruments, he'd be alive today.
That plane has 2 fuel tanks, one in each wing. If the pilot does not manually switch between fuel tanks at regular intervals, a weight imbalance in the aircraft develops which can cause it to bank. If JFK, Jr. was focuses on tuning the radio while the aircraft began to bank, he could have found himself in the dangerous situation which led to the crash.
You know, and I don't like to make a whole big thing about it or anything, but I'm an Instrument Rated and Commercial Pilot and mostly fly smaller single engine aircraft. So, I think that I know a little bit about what's going on here. JFK Jr., was the youngest of Aristotle Onassis wife's son. From Jackie O. and a President from the 1960 or 1970's I believe. He was often called John-John or Johnny-J. His middle name was Fitzgerald and was a reference to the ship Edmond Fitzgerald which was possibly owned by Aristotle Onassis shipping company. G. Gordon Liddy sang a popular song about the sinking of the ship, somewhere in the North Atlantic I believe, which was very sad indeed. What is interesting, and somewhat of a mystery, is that both JFK's airplane and the ship Edmond Fitzgerald rest at approximately the same depth of water. Some say that if you play the Edmond Fitzgerald Song backwards it says "I buried John-John." So, it really is a great mystery.
We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but even in MS Flightsim I have experienced spatial disorientation under similar circumstances. It takes all my concentration to just follow instruments and ignore the window. That contradictory urgency in the real world must be a fever pitch for a new pilot. RIP, of course, no one sets out to crash, but a vital lesson to all future pilots will mean they didn't die in vain and perhaps they save a life or more.
I'd crash too if I had a ghost sitting next to me.
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Hahahaha 😂
Yeah that ghost thing was unexpected and kind of funny
I have them as passengers every night.
@@username6135 care to elaborate?
The guy playing JFK JR looks like Christian Bale
And he and them are finished, professionally.
But not Christian Bale.I'm so sad for Kennedy:(
He's BAT MAN!
Just a .....plane....down to earth.....kind of guy.
@@fieldaj2011 He's a nice guy.
Me: *knows damn well they died*
Also me: I really hope they survived
Always trust the facts...
I know :( I was still hoping for a different outcome although I know the sad reality of course
Trust your instruments
They are alive
@@patriciaanzar8696 where is your proof? If you factually know this... do you realize how huge that story will be?
Flying solo without another pilot is actually not safe at night..
According to his instructor, he did not possess flying capabilities if the outside horizon is lost. His level of experience was also a major factor.
@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES did you know that passenger or co pilot seat was never found ? they found there bodies and the plane but that one seat is missing ! Word is he had a co pilot and they find his bag he kept his log book in but no log book found ? I call bs people fail to realize who he was running against ! Hillary ! Plus Bush jr was president and his uncle ted basically threatened people to find that plane because they were dragging there arses in the search ! They knew where it was and went down plus i find it very sad he crashes real close to his moms at Martha's vineyard !
I have 1000 hrs in night flight several in I M C
Maybe for you
Apparently 'trust the instruments' wasn't stressed enough in training.
JFK was not instrument certified though, he was only able to fly from visual training.
JFK Jr's flight instructor offered to fly with him, but he refused.
@@mariel4085 I've had msfs 2020 for a week and I know you don't want to be fiddling with your radio mid air. You have to have a flight plan. Prepare your frequencies. How can you fly VFR at night over water?
GizmoMaltese you can’t really get disoriented in a simulator this can only happen in the real thing. It’s to do with the inner ear and you can’t experience it by sitting in a chair.
Jr was not fully trained on instruments He was only half way through.
Always trust your instruments..... look at them, believe them
Allison one plane crashed because of the flying instruments, the instruments were showing the wrong things like the altitude was 1000 but on the instrument it showed 25000
all pilots do, whether they are officially IFR or just VFR. You trust your instruments.....never your ass.
Not too much...
Sure. if you're trained in how to use them. The first question I would have asked him boarding at dusk. "you instrument rated?". If he said no I wouldn't have gotten on the plane.
Allison he wasn't trained for the instruments which is what probably caused his death
He promised his mom he would never fly until she died. Now we know why.
Sabrina Dugan As John DeLorean use to say “ there is nothing worse than false pride and a large ego”. He believed that led to his downfall.
Kids never listen to their parents.....
@@mq2311 very true.
He broke the promise and this happened..
@@phoebebaby4609 yeah she was concerned about him flying . Kennedy's take so many risk.
Pilot motto “In instruments we trust”. He was not trained for night flying, barely passed written test, inexperienced, poor weather conditions, foot just out of a cast, on medications, turned down copiloting offer, conflict with wife, super stressed from a long work day and a long drive in bumper to bumper long weekend traffic, while under a time crunch. Arrogant, rich privileged and vastly undertrained. I’m no Jack Reacher but, all boxes checked NOT to fly. 🤦♂️
Plus a foot in a cast, and who knows if he was on pain meds which slow reflexes.
It definitely would've made a difference if he had taken the somewhat longer route from Long Island up the coast of Connecticut and Rhode Island to Cape Cod. Then go to Martha's Vineyard from there. That way he could've used the coastline as a landmark.
What an arrogant fool...his Poor wife and his sister in law.
Drive...
I hate how this looks; it might have been so preventable. But it still hurts.
When I was training for instruments rating I would tell myself 'trust your instrument not your feeling'. I must have said that a million times until it was programmed in me.
Interesting strategy that an old instructor taught me:
If you don’t trust what your attitude indicator is saying, spit. Gravity never lies.
Wow!! That makes perfect sense. I wonder if it would have saved them.. Or if it was too late?
@ Spit only appears to go outward. If you observe the spitter from a central, stationary point above you'll note that the spit flew tangentially from the turn. In other words it went straight and only appeared to go outward from the reference point of the spitter who was turning.
He didn't spit. He probably s**t...
I know :( I felt the same way watching this
Forget spitting.. just drool and see if the drool goes up your face or down your chin.
God, how horrifying it must have been for all aboard. RIP. 😢😢😢
Terrifying....I can only imagine
That’s what I always think about too - how scared they must have been. They had time to realize they were going to die horrible deaths. 😢
Worse yet, imagine the horror of his murders when they find out the truth.....
Michelle Johnson the passengers didn’t even know anything was wrong. He didn’t know what he was doing.
@@lemonadelemon1960 the aircraft dove 2500 feet straight down in a spiral at terminal velocity - all 3 knew exactly what was happening.
It's disturbing that Kobe's pilot was supposedly experienced and well trained, but that didnt seem to help him.
Kobe's pilot wasn't IFR certified either.
Considering pilots who crash are all 'Experienced', we're starting to realize experience means absolutely nothing. Planes are more liable to crash during landing & takeoff, when the Pilots are in control versus autopilot.
@@natashacutiepie6074 There are 2 types of pilots. Ones that can fly by their instruments, called IFR, and ones that have to fly by visual rules, called VFR. If VFR pilots are in the air and it gets dark, or hazy, or foggy, they will crash.
@@mcnasty4207 he was, the copter wasn't. get the story straight.
@@mcnasty4207 and also a good pilot knows when NOT to fly even if they can fly IFR
There is no Kennedy curse. If you look at the family, most of the males were extreme risk takers. Getting a pilot's license without knowing how to fly by instruments was an accident waiting to happen. His over confidence and lack of training is what killed them.
J kK nothing killed THEM, all 3 are alive.......
right and declining the offer of an experience pilot to fly with you. He made a huge mistake that cost him his life and others
@Margo Lockweeze I never said he did. I said he declined the offer of a skilled pilot
@@animeopeningrankings all 3? Whom are you talking about
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2 big mistakes add up to the result. Should stayed along the land or shore. He would be able to orient himself with the lights since it was a hazy night and he couldn’t see the horizon. But He decided on the shorter direct across the ocean route to Martha’s Vineyard and lost the lights to orient to. Second, they had planned to leave with plenty of daylight for the flight. But his sister in law couldn’t leave work and they left 2 hrs late. A half hour after sunset. Sorry to say it was bad judgement that did them in.
Another mistake is John should have had his instructor as he normally did.
It was actually him that left late. It is covered very well in JFK Jr last 24 hours.
@@georgialee6755 Yeah his instructor offered to be his co pilot
agree night not the best time
zt1053 His regular instructor bailed out days earlier to go on vacation. He did talk with another of his instructors that morning but apparently about something else. The instructor apparently never offered to fly with him that night. But John should have asked him or another one. I was really surprised Carolyn went without him having an instructor.
John was flying a plane with a injured foot. He had limited experience with flying with instruments. His mother pleaded with him to not buy airplane. There was so many deaths in air travel with the Kennedy's. A flight instructor offered to fly with him John declined. In a instant the Bissante family lost both daughters.
Bissante wasn't their last name. It was Bessette.
Oh ok thanks for the correction ….. lol😅
That was hard to watch. So sad.
I know. I can't visualize stuff like that, and that made my stomach do a down to my feet back up to my throat thing.
Yes it's horrible!
@@ladybhive1210 sad
Imagine the trauma the ghost sitting next to him experienced.
Way back when I first started flying, I flew a Cessna 150 at flight school wearing a hood, so all that I could see were the instruments. It's scary as all get out, but after a few times of doing this, you learn to trust your instruments, even though things just don't seem right.
Have you ever had the instruments malfunction?
@@hopefulvoyage Only my oil pressure gauge. it suddenly dropped to zero, but I knew that couldn't be right because the engine was still functionally properly.
@rjb073 glad to hear you were okay.
Always trust the gauges. They dont lie day or night.
Actually they do. And when they lie you have to figure out 1 which 1 is telling the truth in which one is lying. This is simple for a pro but not so simple for the part time pilot. Always take a instructor or at least a safety pilot along when in doubt. And what about a crosswind landing take an instructor for an hour and learn how to do it safely. It's easy once you learn how. Very intimidating until you do. That would be just one example
@@neatstuff8200 Great example. Thanks for the advice. And thats true Instruments can fail. Fortunately I haven't run into this ...yet
@@neatstuff8200 oh the crosswind crabbing it landing 😬
Everyone who has ever investigated this case said he never should have gone up. He was not experienced enough and he thought he was invincible and could do anything. Failure was never a thought in his mind.
Unfortunatly, that was his biggest mistake.
He had a typical arrogant attitude of a trust fund kid.
JFK, Jr. had made the exact same flight many times at night.
I am an IFR pilot and have been saying, for years, that this is exactly what I thought happened. The number one cause of small aircraft crashes is VFR pilot inadvertently flying into IFR conditions. As is explained, at low light over the ocean you are pretty much in IFR conditions. He shouldn't have been there flying VFR.
Or the perfect way to escape. Even though he wasn’t IFR rated, everyone knows to trust their instruments. I can’t imagine how many instructors told him about this exact scenario. It’s like the first thing you learn. You would climb instead of going straight down. John was very smart, not your average pilot. I can’t imagine an instructor that wouldn’t have demonstrated this to him. But who knows. He just doesn’t seem the type to panic easily...
I am not vfr or ifr...but i am wtg - way too good... So i can read instruments :).
If I were Caroline, knowing JFK Jr. was always a risk taker, I'd never get on the plane with just him piloting! A big boot cast, 8:30 pm, hazy, inexperienced flying at night and a stressful day...No Way was it safe!
Factual knowledge make things easier to assimilate. Points do indicate that the person operating the plane may not have been experienced to operate the aircraft depending on adverse conditions. And the beautiful gals, probably didn't know to consider their risks.
@@johnjustjohn8168 and there goes your ego, through the roof.
I love the ghost pilot. He can't believe what he is seeing John doing.
That’s the investigator
@@santoshkhadka8042 no its a ghost
The investigator was putting himself in a visual scenario to the event .
"John, you know how to fly this thing, don't you?"
"Relax! When has anything bad ever happened to anyone in my family while in a moving vehicle?"
lol
Lol
Had just gotten a cast off, no instructor, first night flight with instruments and bad weather.
I would have hired a limo to drive us.
It REALLY helps to have a co-pilot. Even someone who can only read an altimeter, artificial horizon, and work a radio.
Flying that thing is too complicated. There are too many things to keep track of.
Imagine going through that from the two passengers situation in the back seat.
They seemed to know quite before their actual demise their fate.
Kobe brought me here. I’m sure his pilot experienced this and tried to turn back where he had visibility, but couldn’t tell up from down. 😞 R.I.P. Mamba & everyone on that helicopter
I also believe this is what happened
So sad
@@TheSunshineplace10 It can happen very quickly. Lose the horizon/ ground and your sense of "UP" gets very messed up. He may have stayed on VFR thinking that he would pop out of the soup quick enough to recover his track. Seems like he thought he had climbed high enough but wound up turning into the hillside. The impact with the ground was 180 mph. Lights out.
Trinity Gilreath - that’s true, but that event happened so long ago and I was able to process it. The Kobe event was more recent & downright shocking. I wasn’t able to process it & I wanted answers for closure. 🤷🏾♂️
@@henrymontgomery5401 To me it is simple and straight forward. VFR pilot strays into conditions he wasn't ready for. Made a bad assumption about where he was. At 180 mph you don't have much time to react.
All that education, equipment and training. Never thought to hang a Saint Christopher medal from the ceiling of the aircraft. Medal leans back, I going up. Medal leans forward, I going down. Medal sitting on ceiling, I upside down.
As a novice VFR pilot years ago, i inadvertanly put myself in this condition. Thank God I went on instruments and got myself out. This is one of the top killers of low time inexperienced VFR pilots who enter IMC flight conditions. I would encourage anyone who seriously flies alot to consider IFR flight training. Trust your instruments as your brain and visual cues can be deceptive. Just saying. You cannot be over confident when flying i think. It is a humbling experience. I have been flying for years now and never repeated that experience. My heart goes out to the families of these young people.
Wish Kobe's pilot would have read your comment sir.
It's so saddening just to see how the fate of so many young, talented and good looking Kennedys came along. Joseph Jr died in WW2 when his plane exploded, JFK & Bobby were assassinated, Ted's plane crashed and he remained in the hospital for months and he lost the presidential primaries because of Chappaquiddick.
Patrick Kennedy (JFK's 4th child) was born via C-section and died as an infant just 2 days old. Michael LeMoyne Kennedy (Robert's son) was killed in a skiing accident and JFK Jr. who was expected to follow in his dad's footsteps died so tragically.
@Tenya lida and that's what you call taking risks
Bill S some of that was caused by risk taking. Joe Jr’s tour of duty was over but he had actually volunteered for a suicide mission. He was supposed to parachute out before the explosives went off but they did do prematurely. The sister Kathleen also died in a plane crash but she went up in bad weather. Michael was playing football on skis. The only curses were mainly the assassinations
@@georgialee6755 Thanks for that information. I did not know that.
Bill S You’re welcome.
I don’t feel bad for Ted he got away with killing Mary jo
love how the video ends with a plane in pieces then smithsonians "it's brighter here!" outro
Grill 'n' thrill for sure, that was a really awkward transition!
One of the basic problems was something in John himself. He was a hot-dogger, even as a little kid. I've read about this from a number of sources, which makes me think it might be true. The manner of his death certainly bears powerful witness. As a child, he would hurl headlong into physical situations without due deliberation about the potential risks, or his personal ability and skills to deal with them, which caused his mother a great deal of worry. A hyperactive kid with not a lot of impulse control. If he had thought the whole thing through, he would either have hired a properly trained, experienced pilot, or, better, waited until morning and daylight. Thank God his mother wasn't alive to see this. She survived witnessing the grisly, skull-smashing murder of her husband, while he died in her lap, but this would have been the thing that killed her.
Flying way outside his skill set and not enough brains to know it. The average non instrument rated pilot lasts 45 seconds without a horizon. He had a night rating. He did not have an instrument rating. He flew into haze. Count to 40. Are we turning??? Feels like it
@Goose Tater totally over confident. Untrained for the conditions . Non IFR pilot flying into IFR conditions. Most will last 45 seconds. At best. Caroline and her sister should have understood what they were getting into.
@@jefferydominator6520 Once again Jeffrey? In English
@@jefferydominator6520 dude .. no idea what you are talking about. Write complete sentences
@@jefferydominator6520 Buddy? I've been around aviation all my life. My brother was a pilot. I know what I am talking about.
24 years ago today.
"John-John" was a young man under tremendous pressure to be more extraordinary than he was. Trying to live up to that expectation, he pushed himself here into a situation he couldn't handle.
Agreed!!!
Well said!
Beautifully stated. And he tried to do it with a busted foot.
Nick he had a lot on his mind at the time. A failing marriage a failing magazine and a cousin dying
Maybe he has a "Superman " complex???
I think they were probably arguing too. That creates disorientation and stress. A long time ago, someone told me to fly by the instruments, not feelings. I follow that rule.
Beautiful man, looks, brain's, personality, successful, full head of hair, etc. Perfect man definitely. Such a shame and a big what if.
Brains? meh.
He failed the bar exam 2 or 3 times, if I remember right. Decided to fly when he shouldn't have and ended up killing his family and himself. Not at all so sure about his smarts.
Being beautiful didn’t save him. His intellect could have. He shouldn’t have flown at night because he was inexperienced.
full of hair but empty of brain haha
Full head of hair
I’ve watched many videos about VFR pilots flying into IMC/IFR situations in the last few weeks. The common denominators always seems to be “get-there-itis” and pride . Not to speak ill of the departed, but they do have lessons to teach us.
So sad!! I don’t have any words to describe how sad this loss was!!
There were three losses that night. His sister in law was an extremely intelligent investment banker on Wall Street - what a shame
The big splash at the end says it all.
Cry not that I am gone. Smile that I was with you 💜
So very sad even 20 years later.
Watching in 2024, 25 years later!
I wouldn't have to be "trained" to trust my instruments. You'd only have to tell me one time..."Whenever there is a discrepancy between what your senses are telling you and what your instruments are telling you, ALWAYS trust your instruments"
Yes you would. Spatial disorientation is a no joke. Also… instruments can fail. Then you are left there to diagnose which ones are true, and which ones are lying. Then you’re flying with partial instruments and having to extrapolate data differently. You’re a fool.
So if this guy decided to actually hire a pilot, everyone would be ok.
....yes.
Biggie Cheese Ikr, with all his money, why not hire a pilot.
Or at least hire a co-pilot to help out - the guy had a broken foot - he never should have been allowed to fly
Right!! Like wtf
Happy Happy wtf is wrong with you
What a horrible situation to be in.
Carolyn Bessette was a classy stylish woman everyone was so envious of her for marrying JFK JR after the plane crash we all realized how unlucky she was, Carolyn would most likely be alive today if she hadn’t met him... John was so irresponsible and reckless to fly over open water at night knowing he wasn’t fully instrument trained...Its been 22 years since this crash RIP to all 3 😢
She didn’t want to go. She shouldn’t. They should have just waited till morning.
Could’ve been Daryl Hannah.
What got me was when the guy said...he was heading out over water all the lights were behind him and all his visual references were gone. So sad
JFK Jr.'s lack of flying expertise is what ultimately did him, his wife & sister-in-law in. He should not have been flying in the middle of the night. Case closed.
He should have had his instructor come fly with him when he realized they were going to be leaving a lot later than planned. Do that, or just have somebody drive them up.
He was an experienced pilot with hundreds of hours of flight experience. He had made the exact same flight many times before, some of them at night.
Underestimating the gravity of a situation can be fatal. This applies to life in general. I knew someone who worked the night shift and got on the highway to drive for hours. She didn’t make it. You never have to get there.
Pun intended
You never HAVE to get there. Great advice👍🏼
A big ego killed three people that night.
The most gorgeous man EVER. No man will ever compare.
I beg to differ. My husband is handsome as all get out. Way better than JFK Jr.
MICHAEL HUTCHENCE♥️
Yeah, you know, those invisible copilots. I'm really tired of mine.
The weather report from Martha's Vineyard that night confirms visibility was from 9-10 miles. There was little wind and 0 precipitation. He waited 45 minutes at Fairfield NJ airport that evening for his flight instructor. The co-pilot's seat was never found. He had just radioed Martha's Vineyard at 2500 ft for his final approach when he just dropped straight to the water. The Pentagon pushed aside the FAA. They searched Long Island Sound in NY when he was already confirmed last in MA. Nuts.
deception....deception......to the tenth degree. Cover-up......
Mark Z absolutely on point. Manchurian candidate in right seat.
That was the clintons
Clintons were also like family to GHWB, so would implicate him and his control over the CIA, FBI, Deep State in the coverup. They needed one of their puppets HRC to have control of NY and could not chance it going to a Kennedy.
Good to see someone else remembers the facts from 1999. With the CoastGuard ooking in the wrong location it gave the (replacement) assassin flight instructor time to escape ~ get picked up by his assailants.
Other than stalls, this VFR into IMC is the most common cause of plane accidents. Even experienced pilots can have a hard time believing their instruments because their "body" is telling them something very different.
That's exactly right I was doing a moving job helping a lady and her son in law was a pilot and he was helping to so I got to talking to him and he said he was trained on instrument flying and he had to disregard what his body was telling him. And he said it wasn't easy but he learned it
Get to know your airplane as well as you can. Close your eyes w a safety pilot of course and listen to the ambient sounds of the engine and relative air flow at different airplane attitudes and power settings. That way trusting your instruments becomes a little easier as you can correlate it w the sound.
According to Johns logs of flight time.. he didn't have enough training on instrumental part he had to just enuff to get his license and to get his license but he was not well equipped in the night flight.
Another thing that a lot of people talked about that live in the area going toward or near Nan tucket it's pretty tough place it gets foggy over that area has been a lot of some few accidents
Why Carolyn and Lauren ever got into the plane with him is beyond me.
🤔😔
He, probably, told them that he made that trip many times and there was nothing to worry about. No problem. If he would have told them that his instructor warned against it, they, probably, wouldn't have gone. He was an emotionally disturbed guy who didn't have a father to raise him and that affected his cognitive skills. He was immature and dishonest. There are a lot of people like that in this world.
I think Lauren was possibly intoxicated with the notion of being personally flown to the Vineyard by JFK Jr and very possibly inserted herself into a marital situation and a trip where she had no business being. He was not her personal pilot and he likely had zero experience ferrying passengers to their destinations on time. If she had not been there as an obligation, he might have had less of an ego problem aborting the flight. We will never know if she kind of pressured him into going along, or she was the completely innocent victim. For whatever reason, Carolyn did not want to go and it’s entirely possible her sister did not want to see her split with JFK Jr-who would? John was ultimately responsible but I can’t help thinking that his hangers on also placed a lot of weird pressure to be around him in ways that we don’t understand. If he’d been alone, would he have had the same rush to get to his younger cousin’s wedding, would he have aborted the flight, or would he have been just relaxed enough to succeed? We’ll never know. It seems Carolyn was persuaded out of her better judgment by her older sister. Sad.
John was anything but emotionally disturbed. But his father had a helicopter land on the lawn anytime he wanted to go somewhere. He wanted people to leave him alone and he did not have the kind of parents who looked out the window and said, “It’s getting dark, better leave tomorrow.” His billionaire stepfather had a yacht and an island in Greece at his command. John was a smart impulsive guy, never dishonest, who was rich enough to buy his own plane and he did not know how to just abort plans because of a traffic jam and nightfall.
@@ravenel2 I can't fathom how either of you know whether the guy was emotionally disturbed, emotionally healthy, honest or dishonest. Unless, of course, you knew him extremely well, having seen him for years and experienced the best and worst side of his personality. In your defense, you weren't the first one to bring it up, but still, you don't know any better than Alex Vagias. At the very least, the guy was reckless and ignorant of the task at hand and willing to sacrifice the lives of his wife and sister in law to his hubris.
Even watching this, my heart was pounding
@Israelite American greetings
@Israelite American cool learning about this crypto just knowing about it
This is what the NTSB came up with 18 years ago. Not sure why they are trying to frame this as something new.
"The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
The pilot's failure to maintain control of the airplane during a descent over water at night, which was a result of SPATIAL DISORIENTATION. Factors in the accident were haze, and the dark night".
It was a classic "graveyard" spiral. These have killed many otherwise good pilots. In the spiral, the normal inner ear sensations involved with balance give a feeling of normalcy. The only defense is instrument flight training and proficiency. The instrument training required for the PPL is insufficient for this scenario. I also recommend the use of a really good autopilot. I'm a 40 year CFI.
True. A fighter pilot once told me that if you roll inverted and start pulling back on the stick with your eyes closed it will feel just like you are in straight and level flight even though you are heading toward the ground at a high rate of speed. The human vestibular system was not designed for flight. We are not birds.
@@joevignolor4u949 I was in a passenger in a Nanchang plane and the pilot was going to do a barrel roll. Eventually I asked, when are you doing the barrel roll? He said 'I've already done it'. I hadn't even noticed, which still blows my mind. So confusing. I did notice the loop we did though, and it was amazing!
@@Ceek30 Your vestibular system will fool you. Depending on how the pilot does a maneuver if the G forces are pushing you towards the floor of the plane you will feel like you are right side up irregardless of the airplane's real attitude. Visual references, if they are available outside, can help. Otherwise you need to look at the airplane's attitude indicator. The mistake JFK Jr. made was trusting his vestibular system rather than the plane's instruments. The attitude indicator was probably showing a sharp bank and the altimeter was spinning down like crazy, but he was just sitting there thinking that everything feels okay.
@@joevignolor4u949 Makes sense. Fortunately on my flight I wasn't at the controls. My pilot was a 40 year British Airways veteran :)
Would they have known they were crashing, or at what point would they have known?
He actually inadvertently put the aircraft into a spin due to his spatial disorientation. It was a spin to the right which to correct would have required left rudder, and it was his left leg that was injured...
On his route he decided to depart the shoreline to get there sooner, that was the fatal mistake.
Computer No he got himself into a graveyard spiral. It's s different phenomena than a spin.
sboudreaux27 that tends to be the case where accidents are caused by human factors.
His leg had no bearing in the crash.
I have been in exactly similar conditions. Pressure to make the flight, so carrying on as conditions get worse - never be afraid to cancel and go home - might annoy some people, but you will be alive.........In a spiral dive, pulling back only makes things worse. "Power back to idle to reduce rate of descent; level wings; pull hard for the artificial horizon; when little bird WELL above line, go to full power." I missed death by seconds; have never been frightened again. RIP, John. Flying kills.
this is total bs , He radioed in before his decent to land plane , It was Recorded at 9:39 pm . he was in contact for permission to land . minute later plane crashed .
It says this MAY explain!
descent
matthew roberts Yes Sir !!! And The Powers That Be Then...Killed Him.
He never radioed in. That is a lie. You are an ignorant dumbass.
No wonder this world is so screwed up people r just asses a person can't even give an opinion horrible people these days
You are absolutely right. He should have listened to his CFI, checked the METAR, checked himself into the nut house for thinking he could properly get into the plane with a broken foot. He should not have had the attitude of hurry up we gotta get going and I can do this alone. The chain of events kept growing like snake around JFK Jr. and it led to a tragic end.
This story a bunch of bologna and there was a documentary on how george bush jr had something to do with it... because he was missing the time of the innocent and was spotted near martha vineyard a few days before the crash....anyways the scenario was the pilot was a manchurian candidate (like the movie) and purposely flew the plane into the water near martha vineyard because details showed once they discovered the plain the fuel silage was turn off which is literally impossible unless manually done, the pilot and pilot seat was missing eventhough pilot was registered to the plane and called air traffic controls for the plane, and video said they delayed a search for jfk jr plane even after it failed to register its final landing for a hour or so ....yea do proper research this video is bologna what famous president or runner up pilot just starts hallucinates and drives his plane into the ground
@nooneknows9234 what are you even trying to say? And by the way, John FK Junior was suffering from spacial disorientation not hallucination.
@@Orlanzepol123 im trying to say he was murdered he didn't hallucinate either matter of fact he wasn't even flying the plane he had registered pilot flying .. but somehow the pilot disappeared once they found the plane wreckage... the strangest thing besides that tho was the fuel nozzle (can't think of the exact word for it) that prevent the plane from spirling to the ground freefall speed was turned off which meant some one on the plane had to do it....why you say that because it was literally impossible to accidently turn it off because you need 2 hands.... there as a video on youtube about it but of course its nowhere to be found now
get your facts straight - before you establish yourself as king. cast as removed. girls late is not a diagnosis that he is insane
In some haunted arttractions, you are in a catwalk surrounded by rotating display, and your mind tells you the wrong thing.
RIP
John F. Kennedy Jr.
(1960-1999)
Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy
(1966-1999)
and
Lauren Bessette
(1964-1999)
On July 16, 1999 two years before 9/11 happened. John F kennedy jr has died from spatial disorientation after driving his plane in the fog and dark.
I flew Jackie, Johnnie, and Carolyn between Hyannis and JFK several times when Johnnie was about 14. I invited him into the co-pilot's seat; he just put both shoes onto the instrument panel, pulled a paperback book out of his pocket, and read all the way to JFK. I still believe he should have been paying attention...
How old are you
When the ghost popped up in the cockpit i lost it
He shut off the transponder and flew through heavily congested N.Y. airspace for starters.
Another example of the family belief that the rules don't apply to them,even with proof with all the tragities that have happened in the family. This a great explanation of what happens when untrained over confidence meets lack of skill,education and experience.
Plane crashes everyone dies
Smithsonian channel: it’s brighter here.
Matts07 stolen go sie
Lack of training , don't fly at night!!
Never catch me in a light plane there death traps!!!
Wayne Mathews finally a guy with brains!👍🏻
@@marlenathornsbeary2800 any plane is a death trap think of all the stars we lost .....
I'm not a pilot buti know three things. One, flying at night greatly increases the likelihood of an accident. Number two, keeping the coastline in view, helps you maintain your orientation. Number three , they should have begun their journey earlier in the day with plenty of daylight. Once the sister in law had been delayed at work and daylight had been lost, he should have rescheduled the trip for the following day so that he could clearly see where he was going using visual flight rules. Had he had done so, all three might still be alive.
Better yet have an instructor aboard next morning. Or best: take a commercial flight or drive.
JFK ,got himself into trouble in this accident, had to get there nothing else mattered ,wasn't a smart thing to do , he was in too deep ,over his head and it cost not just him but his two very close passengers.
Its curious some instructors would say he was a good pilot others would say he took risks. He should have never left the airport without a co pilot and had no business flying at dusk/night without proper training. The plane he was flying has a GPS auto pilot and it really should not have been a problem to land the plane even without Instrument only rating. All he had to do was contact the tower and they could have talked him through it all the way to the runway until he had visual on the runway. Something went really wrong and its not really clear exactly what that was.
Never overfly your abilities is the chief lesson here.
I just love how on this channel, after every horrible incident the cheery outro music plays as if we had just been watching a happy video.
I believe that he was upset with Besset cheating on him, using drugs and dissing him and he committed suicide. That is why he did not mind that she came so late that the flying conditions were way beyond his ability to fly.
Yeah, no.
VFR into IMC a leading cause of crashes. I took off out of New Orlean's lake front airport at night in my 172 years ago, with my brother and my wife. It was a perfectly clear, moonless night. You would think a safe night for flying. The lake to the north of the airport was a black hole and blended in with the night sky, there was no visible horizon with which to visually level the plane. I immediately experienced vertigo and had I not been instrument rated, would have lost control of the plane. It was so unexpected. JFK jr had no business flying that night and in my opinion, no pilot should fly at night without an instrument rating.
They say he had major ADD, but I always suspected that he was on the spectrum. Jackie had to guide him through everything.
Warning: trust your instruments if you fly through the comments section. It is plagued with conspiracies from tinfoil hats.
It's kind of funny the way the dramatization has the investigator having a "Eureka!" moment when spatial disorientation would be absolutely the first, middle and last thing any investigator would be thinking under these circumstances.
Isn't it ironic that we have an airport named after JFK, but there have been many plane crash deaths in the Kennedy family?
Joe Jr. Died in a plane crash too.
Ethel Kennedy’s parents died in a plane crash. So did her brother (in a separate crash). Aristotle Onassis’ son Alexander died in a plane crash at 24-years-old.
3333sweetie only 3, including JFK, JR.
Gee, 1 headshot and countless of 'accidents' must be technical failures
@Sabrina Dugan did somebody trying to say, *Idlewild Airport* ?
he named his magazine GEORGE for a reason
George Washington Don't be stupid. Conspiracy theories are arrogance wrapped in paranoia. Bush did not kill JFK Sr.
Actually it was after George stephanopoulos
@@troubledsole9104 - He was in on it. He was a CIA agent at the time in Texas and wrote a telegram to J Edgar saying he had 'heard there was an assassination attempt' planned against JFK coming' - which was code for 'it's on.' It was actually the third or fourth of multiple attempts. Oswald was a CIA agent and a patsy. He didn't 'teach himself' Russian so well that Marina thought he was a native. That's the CIA's Language Institute's job. When Bush was later asked about the telegram, he claimed it must have been another George Bush, proven lie, and when asked where he was when Kennedy was shot, he said he didn't remember. I was 10 at the time, I remember. Everyone alive at the time remembers. He was in on it. Ask yourself how a small oil dealer with an island airfield off the coast of Cuba ends up head of the CIA, VP when Reagan was shot (another plot on his part) and President? Drug running, loads of money. Because he was an agent all along. GHWB ties almost every FF in this country together in a nice neat knot and said himself, 'if the people ever knew the truth, they'd ... variously reported as... string us up, or run us out of town...'
@@troubledsole9104 Of course did he not pull the trigger!
Troubled Sole “. . . don’t be stupid.” Says the guy who thinks oswald killed jfk. Haha! Pot calling kettle black.
Absolutely devastating
This is absolutely the text-book definition of "spatial disorientation". Rely on your instruments and not your body!
Yes except he wasn’t fully trained on instruments only half way through. I don’t know how a pilot can fly at night without being fully trained on instruments
A second after they die, Smithsonian Channel comes in and says, “It’s brighter here.”
The reason that JFK Jr, his wife and sister-in-law died in a plane crash had more to do with the way their day went trying to get out of New York on a Friday. Everyone is leaving the city on a Friday. JFK's wife spent too much time getting her nails and toe nails done before heading off to the airport. His sister in law got out of work late and by the time they all meet at the airport, they were running hours late. JFK had checked the weather earlier in the day and it visibility was acceptable for visual reference. JFK was not rated to fly on instruments alone. With the weather changing one of Jr's instructors offered to fly with them to Martha's Vineyard, but JFK declined, he wanted to do it solo.
By the time they took off, the sky had become overcast and visibility declined. JFK SHOULD have continued to fly along the coast line as he had done before after dark, but because they were so LATE, he decided to that a short cut and cut across the Atlantic Ocean to save time to get to their destination. It would have only taken him about a half and hour to reach their destination if the sky was clear. It was not. Once they got away from the coast it was pitch black and JFK Jr suffered from Vertigo, he didn't know up from down. Left from right. Based on the angle that Jr crashed the plane into the ocean it was obvious that he had lost all sense of the attitude of the plane. Jr should have taken his instructor, but being over confident and a Kennedy, he got himself killed along with his wife and sister.
His mistake
John Correct. He should have scrapped going to the Vineyard in my opinion and gone straight to HY along the coast line and requested flight tracking from ATC
I've flown in Saratogas/Meridians a few times. With my long legs I found my knee resting on the elevator trim tab. It is plausible that he was bumping the trim tab and adjusting with the yoke slightly over the course of the trip. Eventually you would be trimmed up so if you were to begin descent for landing you would have very limited ability to pull up or even level off. There were quite a few incidents of these particular planes making emergency landings on golf courses as well over the years. That's my theory anyhow, or at least could have been a contributing factor
There is little dispute that JFK JR. having launched a new magazine, “George,” was seriously considering a run for the New York Senate Seat.
Democrats had been urging him to declare his candidacy. He more naturally fit the criteria of residency, possessed an enormous advantage in name recognition and more than adequate funds available to self finance his bid for the open New York U. S. Senate.
Unlike the principal front runner he would easily capture the Democratic Party’s support. He only needed to declare himself to capture the nomination. There was little doubt he would crush the Republican opposition and win in the general election. But, what was not known in 1999, was his opposition within the Democratic Party for the nomination would be one content on garnering the nomination was a person who let nothing stand in the way of capturing the seat as a stepping stone for a run for the White House following six or twelve years in the Senate. The name of that person is widely known and one who ultimately won the seat was none other than Hillary Clinton. Maybe JFK JR.s death was not an accident.
There is plenty of dispute of him running for the senate.
25 years ago today!!😮
plane: crashes
smithsonian channel: plays happy music
Jfk jr isn’t dead. He’s alive
And his wife and sister in law?
What about the military pilots who thought lights in the ocean were lights in the sky? It can happen to anyone, night flying is the most risky. Was it overcast that day also?
No the day time was not overcast. The humidity / simmer heat causes the haze.
If this wasn't a conspiracy it sure stinks like one.
Spacial disorientation in IMC for non instrument rated pilots is a common cause in some GA accidents. We used to practice under the hood by deliberately making oneself disoriented by closing ones eyes and making yourself think the airplane is anything but level. Then open your eyes while staying under the hood while the instructor has put the airplane in a bank, decent, climb or combination of both. Then recover the aircraft while your brain is telling you one thing of which you feel but yet you must trust your instruments. You can even get vertigo at times where it doesn't subside until you remove the hood or if in IMC, break out. It honestly takes time but all pilots should get their instrument rating and stay current even if they don't fly in IMC. Its for situations like this it can save lives. Horrible tragedy here.
a dazzled bumbler...he had been a pilot for 15 months...and went flying at night...caused the death of two people...
I was learning to Fly Cessna 172 I had a great instructor he had me bank the plane just a little harder than most of the time and sure enough I got totally disoriented in one second he said he has the controls I let go and I felt as if I just wasn’t meant to fly. He told me the more I do this the better I will become and that my body will learn to adapt to the change in pressure. Flying a plane is no joke. Being a Kennedy I’d bet they treated him like royalty and didn’t put him through all the paces like a full on stall basically making the plane slow down nose up so it falls out of the sky. I’m shaking just thinking and remembering the feeling It seams like both things happened to him a stall a hard bank night no VFR they all was out before he hit the water
They drowned in their sleep. I also think he was flying a bit low trying to VFR off city lights so once in trouble not enough room to gain consciousness and correct. Sad sad also going to a wedding two women presents full load fuel luggage weight in plane so many things to look at I can name more and I only had about 10 hours up like 6-7 times
I was raised in wichita, an aircraft manufacturing center. Even non-pilots understood more about aviation than most folks. I have seen several videos about this, but this one seems to put it most plainly. Too wit:
If he had taken off at the original time, he'd be alive today.
If he had trusted his instruments, he'd be alive today.
Yes but he didn’t have instrument training. Biggest mistake was not having his instructor on board as he normally did
@@georgialee6755 He had completed about half of his instrument flight training.
what another tragic ...
That plane has 2 fuel tanks, one in each wing. If the pilot does not manually switch between fuel tanks at regular intervals, a weight imbalance in the aircraft develops which can cause it to bank. If JFK, Jr. was focuses on tuning the radio while the aircraft began to bank, he could have found himself in the dangerous situation which led to the crash.
You know, and I don't like to make a whole big thing about it or anything, but I'm an Instrument Rated and Commercial Pilot and mostly fly smaller single engine aircraft. So, I think that I know a little bit about what's going on here. JFK Jr., was the youngest of Aristotle Onassis wife's son. From Jackie O. and a President from the 1960 or 1970's I believe. He was often called John-John or Johnny-J. His middle name was Fitzgerald and was a reference to the ship Edmond Fitzgerald which was possibly owned by Aristotle Onassis shipping company. G. Gordon Liddy sang a popular song about the sinking of the ship, somewhere in the North Atlantic I believe, which was very sad indeed. What is interesting, and somewhat of a mystery, is that both JFK's airplane and the ship Edmond Fitzgerald rest at approximately the same depth of water. Some say that if you play the Edmond Fitzgerald Song backwards it says "I buried John-John." So, it really is a great mystery.
We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but even in MS Flightsim I have experienced spatial disorientation under similar circumstances. It takes all my concentration to just follow instruments and ignore the window. That contradictory urgency in the real world must be a fever pitch for a new pilot. RIP, of course, no one sets out to crash, but a vital lesson to all future pilots will mean they didn't die in vain and perhaps they save a life or more.
Don't pilots go through flight simulators training?