My dad would take me to the Polo Grounds back in the 1940's. IIRC, there was a shuttle from Yankee Stadium to the Polo Grounds and it only slowed down before reversing. You had to jump off the shuttle onto the platform. Long time ago, but I still remember sitting in Row 1-3 in Right field and talking to the players. That was the Giants of Sid Gordon, Williard Marshall, Mel Ott and Johnny Mize.
The demise of the NYW&B was a sad story. Rober Arcara made a documentary of it's last days; I had trouble watching it in full because the demolition is painful. In today's world, you can see the original stations between E180 St. and Dyre Ave. You can also see the 4 track right-of-way. What a waste and loss.
Of course this was before I was born, but what I’d like to know about the NYW&B is, Why “B”(Boston)? Boston, the capital of the state of Massachusetts is at least five hours from New York City, way beyond the actual route.
Thanks for this. I am 60 now and really feel old looking at the Polo Grounds footage. I was born in 1953 so the oldest I could be was 5 since it went out of service in 1958 I have searched high and low for proof of the Anderson Avenue upper entrance and you supplied that although a view of the entrance at Anderson ave proper would have really perked me up! This and the Botanical Gardens station of the 3rd av El have a great place in my memory-Thank you very much I love all your vids!
Growing up in the Polo grounds in the 70s this is very nice to see some of the past. Ive seen some of the transit skeletons but never knew where they went or what they were for. this explains everything.
I lived a half a block from the Gun Hill Rd. station and remember "The Dinky" shuttle to a hun-eightieth St. It was a great day when the number 5 train gave us through service to downtown.
Lived on Baychester Ave. In the 50's and 60's, (remember when it was a dirt road.) The "dinkie", haven't heard that in over 50 years! Great job Steelo, thanks so much!
He's why it took sixty extra years to build 2nd Av subway. It should've been built in the 40s after the El was removed. IMO, it should've been replaced with a modern monorail system, far cheaper than building tunnels through the tricky subsurface geology of Manhattan.
My mom grew up on E Kingsbridge Rd in the Kingsbridge section of The Bronx off the Grand Concourse and Valentine Av and lived near the current Kingsbridge Rd station in The Bronx, she did not live on E Kingsbridge Rd in Mt Vernon near that Kingsbridge Rd station
I heard a story that a motor man operated a train north of the drye ave station until there was no electrification. He was on the railroad tracks at that point
The million dollar railroad, because they spent a million dollar a mile. They spent a fortune on the stations, the mini penn station is a private home in Westchester.
In 1940 there was a proposed project to extend the 3 from Lennox Yard to the remains of the 9 ave el at 155 st and run 3 trains to Burnside or Fordham or even Woodlawn on the Jerome Ave line but the tunnel between Anderson and Sedgwick was to narrow. issues with installing subway 3rd rail
All they have to do is replace the old Thrid rails and track ties and rails. That's the reason why they have the engineers that could definitely get the Job done.
Great footage. Sometime I walk across that old footbridge and look down at that empty space below the Deegan and wonder what it all look liked way back in the days when that area was full of activity.
Idk what Ur talking about. You can't access the bridge, it's locked and closed off. I live right up the Deegan on Sedgwick. Btw You and I have the same exact fascination about abandoned and formally used stations
@@joshuaafrifa8134 I grew up in that area as well, slightly to the north (Kingsbridge/Riverdale). Actually that foot bridge across the Deegan is not locked, you can get to it from 161st & Summit Av (next to the playground). I've explored that area several times in the past. It's the cut-off piece of the stairway that led down to the old Putnam RR Sedgwick Ave station that's blocked off, thats the piece at the end of the footbridge. I believe there's a way to get down under the Deegan to the area where that old staircase used to end. I never tried it myself though. I haven't been over there since the mid 2000's so I don't know what has changed since then. forgotten-ny.com/1999/12/remnants-of-the-ninth-avenue-el-when-is-a-subway-not-a-subway-when-its-an-el/
At one time the Pelham line was 100 per cent R17. I used to live on Longfellow Ave. and I could easily see the trains ascending and descending the ramp to the elevated structure between Hunts Point Ave. and Whitlock Ave. from our bedroom window which faced the tracks and also the New Haven Railroad tracks which today are owned by Amtrak and host regional trains and the Acela Express. Later on the TA assigned cars by propulsion type and the R17 cars were mixed with other SMEE cars mainly R26/R28/R29. I can remember many times passing under the Parkchester station on the Cross Bronx Expressway service road and seeing R28 pair 7900/7901 at the station. I guess that pair is underwater now.
I see why they discontinued the Polo Ground shuttle. In all of the historic footage and pictures I see of the shuttle, there were never any passengers on the platforms or the trains in the later days. After 1940 the shuttle was on death row. The 9th Ave El was discontinued in 1940, The Giants left the Polo Grounds after 1955, The NY Central RR discontinued Putnam Division service in 1958. The Polo Ground Shuttle was pretty much useless after all that.
Andy Lala Molina The best info would come from local folks that grew up in that area in the early 50's. That would make them 70+ years old today. Sometimes old folks are the best source of information. For some reason I tend to have more fascination with the abandoned and forgotten rail lines. I think its because of the "hunt for information."
The four car train could not have operated in late 1958 or early 1959 because the TA discontinued the shuttle on 8/31/58 since by that time almost no one used it since the Giants were gone and the NYCRR abandoned the Putnam Division service. The Putnam Bridge was removed around 1960.
The Polo Grounds would survive for a few more years hosting the Jets and the Mets until Shea Stadium opened in April 1964. Shortly afterwards it was torn down and today a city housing complex occupies its former site.
@@JohnnyHector17 I knew that but I didn't want to confuse people who weren't around in 1960. The Titans played there for two years before the Mets existed. The Titans actually became the Jets in 1963 and that was before Shea opened in April 1964. So the Jets did play one season at the Polo Grounds.
At the very beginning it was. The Putnam RR actually owned and operated the bridge across the Harlem river. 155st was actually the southern terminal for the Putnam RR and the northern terminal for the 9th ave el. At that time the shuttle had not been built yet. Eventually, Putnam cut the service to the Polo Grounds and Sedgwick Ave became the last stop and the bridge was unused. Then they leased the bridge to the IRT and the 9th ave el was extended across to the Bronx and the rest of the shuttle stations were built.
@@RellyOhBoy They was talking about extended the 3 trains to connect to the 4 at 167 street and Burnside Avenue Bronx. They definitely would have to find another way to bring the 3 trains around the new Yankee stadium 🏟️ . However the 9th Ave Elevated line station still exist today.
The story of how the Dyre Avenue Line changed over the years. The Dyre Avenue Line was originally a small railroad that went to Conneticuit, but once the Conneticuit portion got torn down and demolished, the line became a shuttle instead from Eastchester Dyre Avenue to East 180th Street. But once the original railroad company of the Dyre Avenue Line (The New York, Westchester & Boston Railway) shut down and ceased operations, The MTA was able to settle an agreement with the original company (NYW&BR) and was able to buy out the remaining railway portion. Soon after this happened, the Dyre Avenue Line got full access to the White Plains Road Line after an extension, The Dyre Avenue Line became a Lexington Avenue Express and the Dyre Avenue Line was able to get newer car models (R10, R26-R33, etc.) And much more cars during operation (Normally 8-10 Cars now)
/Could have sworn I saw photos on nycsubway(dot)org of Gun Hill Road late 1940s/early 1950s, with catenary towers still in place, maybe I got the station name wrong, or the years wrong though.
the good ole days. wish they were back trains were safe then. now u can't say a word or u will get a bullet in u what happened to the age of innocence. that's why everybody is leaving ny. it sure is a pity they can't even send the kids to public schools. they are not safe. what a pity. don't u agree with me gingi
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My dad would take me to the Polo Grounds back in the 1940's. IIRC, there was a shuttle from Yankee Stadium to the Polo Grounds and it only slowed down before reversing. You had to jump off the shuttle onto the platform. Long time ago, but I still remember sitting in Row 1-3 in Right field and talking to the players. That was the Giants of Sid Gordon, Williard Marshall, Mel Ott and Johnny Mize.
I remember "The Dinky"! This film is a remarkable piece of history. Thank you for posting!
RIP Roger. My sister and I loved going to his presentations in the Bronx YMCA on Westchester Avenue
The demise of the NYW&B was a sad story. Rober Arcara made a documentary of it's last days; I had trouble watching it in full because the demolition is painful. In today's world, you can see the original stations between E180 St. and Dyre Ave. You can also see the 4 track right-of-way. What a waste and loss.
Of course this was before I was born, but what I’d like to know about the NYW&B is, Why “B”(Boston)? Boston, the capital of the state of Massachusetts is at least five hours from New York City, way beyond the actual route.
Thanks for this. I am 60 now and really feel old looking at the Polo Grounds footage. I was born in 1953 so the oldest I could be was 5 since it went out of service in 1958 I have searched high and low for proof of the Anderson Avenue upper entrance and you supplied that although a view of the entrance at Anderson ave proper would have really perked me up! This and the Botanical Gardens station of the 3rd av El have a great place in my memory-Thank you very much I love all your vids!
Growing up in the Polo grounds in the 70s this is very nice to see some of the past. Ive seen some of the transit skeletons but never knew where they went or what they were for. this explains everything.
The section from Anderson ave to River ave is now part of the new Yankees Stadium
Wow we use to play in the old Jerome station in the 80s
I lived a half a block from the Gun Hill Rd. station and remember "The Dinky" shuttle to a hun-eightieth St. It was a great day when the number 5 train gave us through service to downtown.
Dyre Ave Today , 5 Line
Polo Grounds Today , 4 Line
Lived on Baychester Ave. In the 50's and 60's, (remember when it was a dirt road.) The "dinkie", haven't heard that in over 50 years! Great job Steelo, thanks so much!
Thank you to whom this footage was used to put on you tube. The Bronx NY was a beautiful area , and NYC was a busy transit city. WOW! Thanks again .
The IND Concourse Subway is also called the IND 6th Avenue Subway
Wonderful window to the past! Thank you.
Outstanding presentation. Wonderful footage and splendid description of the film. First rate.
I walked those tracks a thousand times, ,,,
Thank you very much. I grew up in the south Bronx in the 1960's and though too Kate for the Polo Grounds shuttle I remember the structure.
Good film keep them coming
Robert Moses wanted to get rid of all the subways. He wanted ppl to use his highways. RM wanted to build multi-layered expressways through Manhattan.
He's why it took sixty extra years to build 2nd Av subway. It should've been built in the 40s after the El was removed. IMO, it should've been replaced with a modern monorail system, far cheaper than building tunnels through the tricky subsurface geology of Manhattan.
Jeez and the city had enough air pollution as it was, there was more industry nearby and many buildings had incinerators for burning trash.
My mom grew up on E Kingsbridge Rd in the Kingsbridge section of The Bronx off the Grand Concourse and Valentine Av and lived near the current Kingsbridge Rd station in The Bronx, she did not live on E Kingsbridge Rd in Mt Vernon near that Kingsbridge Rd station
I heard a story that a motor man operated a train north of the drye ave station until there was no electrification. He was on the railroad tracks at that point
can almost guarantee most all of the Dyre Ave line riders do not know the history of the NYW&B. Great to have these films to preserve the history.
The million dollar railroad, because they spent a million dollar a mile. They spent a fortune on the stations, the mini penn station is a private home in Westchester.
I do.
In 1940 there was a proposed project to extend the 3 from Lennox Yard to the remains of the 9 ave el at 155 st and run 3 trains to Burnside or Fordham or even Woodlawn on the Jerome Ave line but the tunnel between Anderson and Sedgwick was to narrow. issues with installing subway 3rd rail
All they have to do is replace the old Thrid rails and track ties and rails. That's the reason why they have the engineers that could definitely get the Job done.
@leecornwell5632 No the bridge was to narrow for subway cars but they should have made the Polo Grounds station the last stop!
Great footage. Sometime I walk across that old footbridge and look down at that empty space below the Deegan and wonder what it all look liked way back in the days when that area was full of activity.
Idk what Ur talking about. You can't access the bridge, it's locked and closed off. I live right up the Deegan on Sedgwick.
Btw You and I have the same exact fascination about abandoned and formally used stations
@@joshuaafrifa8134 I grew up in that area as well, slightly to the north (Kingsbridge/Riverdale). Actually that foot bridge across the Deegan is not locked, you can get to it from 161st & Summit Av (next to the playground). I've explored that area several times in the past. It's the cut-off piece of the stairway that led down to the old Putnam RR Sedgwick Ave station that's blocked off, thats the piece at the end of the footbridge. I believe there's a way to get down under the Deegan to the area where that old staircase used to end. I never tried it myself though. I haven't been over there since the mid 2000's so I don't know what has changed since then.
forgotten-ny.com/1999/12/remnants-of-the-ninth-avenue-el-when-is-a-subway-not-a-subway-when-its-an-el/
The Hi-V cars used on the shuttle all came from the Pelham line, since the Pelham line had gotten the new R17 cars first.
At one time the Pelham line was 100 per cent R17. I used to live on Longfellow Ave. and I could easily see the trains ascending and descending the ramp to the elevated structure between Hunts Point Ave. and Whitlock Ave. from our bedroom window which faced the tracks and also the New Haven Railroad tracks which today are owned by Amtrak and host regional trains and the Acela Express. Later on the TA assigned cars by propulsion type and the R17 cars were mixed with other SMEE cars mainly R26/R28/R29. I can remember many times passing under the Parkchester station on the Cross Bronx Expressway service road and seeing R28 pair 7900/7901 at the station. I guess that pair is underwater now.
Nice video
Great narrator!
Lastly the 9th Avenue El was held the 3 train before being cut back to West Harlem
I see why they discontinued the Polo Ground shuttle. In all of the historic footage and pictures I see of the shuttle, there were never any passengers on the platforms or the trains in the later days. After 1940 the shuttle was on death row. The 9th Ave El was discontinued in 1940, The Giants left the Polo Grounds after 1955, The NY Central RR discontinued Putnam Division service in 1958. The Polo Ground Shuttle was pretty much useless after all that.
Good thing that you and I know why they discontinued the 9th avenue in 1940.
And leaves a comment to me.
Andy Lala Molina I got it. As long as the comment is in the same thread I still get alerted. Thats one of the good things RUclips did.
Andy Lala Molina
The best info would come from local folks that grew up in that area in the early 50's. That would make them 70+ years old today. Sometimes old folks are the best source of information. For some reason I tend to have more fascination with the abandoned and forgotten rail lines. I think its because of the "hunt for information."
RellyOhBoy thank you for the info.
You gotta find a way to upgrade the video quality, this is wonderful footage
Gee Roger nice guy gone so many years!
The polo ground shuttle would go just north of babe ruth baseball field, btwn 161 and 162 st of river ave used by youth teams and be very visible.
The four car train could not have operated in late 1958 or early 1959 because the TA discontinued the shuttle on 8/31/58 since by that time almost no one used it since the Giants were gone and the NYCRR abandoned the Putnam Division service. The Putnam Bridge was removed around 1960.
The Polo Grounds would survive for a few more years hosting the Jets and the Mets until Shea Stadium opened in April 1964. Shortly afterwards it was torn down and today a city housing complex occupies its former site.
The "Polo Grounds Projects".
hosted the mets and the titans . The titans become the Jets after they moved to Shea Stadium
@@JohnnyHector17 I knew that but I didn't want to confuse people who weren't around in 1960. The Titans played there for two years before the Mets existed. The Titans actually became the Jets in 1963 and that was before Shea opened in April 1964. So the Jets did play one season at the Polo Grounds.
Last Baseball Game played at PG was NOT the Mets in Fall of ‘63
great video; was not the Putnam ny central line linked to Polo Grounds?
At the very beginning it was. The Putnam RR actually owned and operated the bridge across the Harlem river. 155st was actually the southern terminal for the Putnam RR and the northern terminal for the 9th ave el. At that time the shuttle had not been built yet. Eventually, Putnam cut the service to the Polo Grounds and Sedgwick Ave became the last stop and the bridge was unused. Then they leased the bridge to the IRT and the 9th ave el was extended across to the Bronx and the rest of the shuttle stations were built.
@@RellyOhBoy They was talking about extended the 3 trains to connect to the 4 at 167 street and Burnside Avenue Bronx. They definitely would have to find another way to bring the 3 trains around the new Yankee stadium 🏟️ . However the 9th Ave Elevated line station still exist today.
The Dyre Avenue Line got extended after it got full access to the Lexington Avenue Line & The White Plains Road Line
It stayed this way to this very day, now known as the 5 Line
Many stations here were either rebuilt or renovated as time passed, some station structures still remained
5:29 A view of Morris Park during this time, the building structure still stands to this day
The Dyre Avenue Line Did Survive and it's thriving to this very day
For the Polo Grounds Shuttle however... It did not...
The story of how the Dyre Avenue Line changed over the years.
The Dyre Avenue Line was originally a small railroad that went to Conneticuit, but once the Conneticuit portion got torn down and demolished, the line became a shuttle instead from Eastchester Dyre Avenue to East 180th Street.
But once the original railroad company of the Dyre Avenue Line (The New York, Westchester & Boston Railway) shut down and ceased operations, The MTA was able to settle an agreement with the original company (NYW&BR) and was able to buy out the remaining railway portion.
Soon after this happened, the Dyre Avenue Line got full access to the White Plains Road Line after an extension, The Dyre Avenue Line became a Lexington Avenue Express and the Dyre Avenue Line was able to get newer car models (R10, R26-R33, etc.) And much more cars during operation (Normally 8-10 Cars now)
LATE NIGHT W/ THE DEVIL on SHUDDER HORROR 😅
Such opportunities lost in infrastructure..
"Late"
Interesting in that in the late 50's, l considered the North Bronx 'the country'
You were correct.
/Could have sworn I saw photos on nycsubway(dot)org of Gun Hill Road late 1940s/early 1950s, with catenary towers still in place, maybe I got the station name wrong, or the years wrong though.
The catenary was left in place until 1942, when it was removed for the war effort.
the good ole days. wish they were back trains were safe then. now u can't say a word or u will get a bullet in u what happened to the age of innocence. that's why everybody is leaving ny. it sure is a pity they can't even send the kids to public schools. they are not safe. what a pity. don't u agree with me gingi