This Book Proves Jesus Was Real | Joe Rogan & Chris Distefano
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Chris DiStefano is a stand-up comic and the host of "Chrissy Chaos" and "Christories." He also co-hosts "Hey Babe!" alongside Sal Vulcano. His latest special, "Speshy Weshy," is available to stream on Netflix.
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Every one of the apostles were martyred, dying the worst possible deaths you can imagine. Crucified upside down, thrown in boiling oil, skinned alive, beheaded, just about every awful way to go. Each one was asked to renounce Christ if they wanted to live. Not one did. Would you die the worst death imaginable for nothing? Something you knew for sure was a lie? I think not. Every one of them saw the risen Christ and refused to renounce Him.
Very interesting point but what we ought to make of these extremist muslims that would die the same way i a heartbeat?
Being willing to die for your beliefs doesnt make them any more valid. Jim jones followers also drank the kool aid
This is baseless and doesn't mean anything. Lots of people throughout history were manipulated into cults and were willing to give their life up for a cause they thought was worth it, even if it meant death or pain. Doesn't make it true in any way. Invalid argument, fallacy in itself.
@@YoungMorroc that may be true but those who were manipulated wouldn’t have known the truth. If the disciples stole the body, then they would have known the truth. Those same men ran away and scattered when Jesus was arrested before being crucified. Do you really think after witnessing what He went through being beaten and crucified they suddenly decided that stealing his body and declaring that he had risen from the grave was worth being brutally killed over? That’s a tough sell in my opinion.
@@YoungMorroc shut up geek Jesus is real
I was living in hotels 5 years ago drinking my life away still lost in the war I fought in. I accepted Jesus Christ and am now a sober married homeowner. All I have to say. I tried everything that the earth had to get my mind back and was damn near at the end. After accepting and living for Jesus I’m a sober married homeowner.
Yeah, that's called placebo effect.
You did it yourself, my dude. And well done.
Amen
Awesome testimony brother.
Let the redeemed of The Lord say so. Never doubt that what you feel is real, because His presence is unmistakable and unexplainable. God bless you, let us all have eyes that see and ears that hear. 🙏✝️
Jesus is a lie. Jesus is the son of a god that commands genocides and genital mutilations. How can you worship genocidal genital mutilating psychopaths?
How can Joe say that he thinks ancient Egypt was the peak of technology and civilization?, and then say people at this time had no knowledge of things?
Whatever has him doesn’t let go that easy
😂 he said it was the “peak of technology”? I’ve heard him say things like “they were a lot more advanced than we’d think” but PEAK?
I thought the exact same thing it’s also funny how joe is obsessed with Egyptians creating “perfect “ circles despite PI being an irrational number just proves how dumb Joe actually is lol
Yes he said that if I know the exact podcast it was I would try to find it.
No one is saying people 2000 years ago had better technology.
“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”
― C. S. Lewis
what did the Bible say? the path to destruction is wide and the path to life is narrow.
C.S. Lewis is vastly overrated as an intellectual.
@@palmtrees6228
The Bible is hot garbage.
@bradthompson5383 what books have you written? where are your credentials?
@d1sk-cord531
What were C.S. Lewis's credentials?
What book of Lewis's is most important and why?
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
Your god is evil.
Learn the unforced motions of grace and humility and you’ve done it
So the disciples stole the body, hid it, and then went on to die the worst martyrdoms ever recorded to fool people into believing in a lie? That’s real dedication to a lie.
That’s to say any of it happened in the first place. It didn’t btw..
@TrayvonJones952 no, no it didn't.
@@markcreel9258 read some of your other comments as well, and I’d have to agree on them
@@TrayvonJones952and how do you know it didn't? Not like you were there yourself to give us your own account
Not just that they were all killed in horrible ways . All they had to do was say what they wrote wasn’t true.
Either he is or he isn't. I personally believe that he is and my previous existence of fear, uncertainty and misery is no more. I have new found purpose. Thank God!
I say Jesus is real because the things that I have gone through and the things I personally experienced, there are no ways to explain, describe, or prove other than the coming to the conclusion that it was God himself
@@MadelnOahu Amen
Life according to science is based on fear to keep us alive. To toss that built in feeling is simply losing your mind and abandoning thousands of years of evolution. So anyone who does, in this age is void of consequence. If you did this 1000k or even 500 years ago, could mean death. Enjoy your life, but you probably don’t got it right.
Fearing Jesus seems like a threat ..that's what the devil would do not someone who doesn't fight back and forgives.
@@EBC-Bro No, not fearing Jesus. FEAR from living in the world and being of the world and NOT knowing HIM.
You cut the video before Chris replied to Joe's case to make it fair. One of the people who saw Jesus actually hated him and didn't want to see him. He was killing Christians for their belief cos he thought it was blasphemy. Then Jesus came to him and he became a believer. After that he started healing people just as Jesus did. His name was Paul. Best witness testimony there is of Jesus coming back from the dead.
There’s no best witness. There’s too many witnesses. How about James? Half brother of Jesus. Non-believer throughout his life. Then something happened. Ended up writing about events. Was martyred.
Just look at who was at the cross when he died. Everyone thought it was a lie. Something happened after his death that compelled everyone to come out as lions.
Paul was a sociopathic liar who wanted fame and fortune.. not one to be taken seriously
Paul is ludicrous and is a fictional, typological character.
So if Jesus was just a guy without any divine nature, that doesn’t explain the acts of his apostles in the aftermath of the crucifixion. They had to have seen and experienced something so profound that they shared this story in all corners of the known world at the time under constant threat of death where just prior to the crucifixion they were cowards, and willingly went to their gruesome deaths without hesitation or distress.
Good point!
Have Lee Strobel in the show
Yes!!
Chris has a magical way of pronouncing “Jeez Us”
lol
It’s intresting that Joe whole heartedly believes in Aliens but this can’t possibly be real…
Isn't it weird that people will believe everything else but they won't believe the bible. Hmm coincidence I think NOT..
@@JosephLee706the demons are trying to blind people from the truth
@brandonnabhan3366 please don't tell me that is supporting slavery!! 🤦 🤣😂😆
He doesn’t believe whole heartedly in aliens.
But he does say all the time how we humans in the present world know so much, that we are intellectually superior to people of the past. That is a faulty position, and lacks humility. Pride comes right before the fall. You must know that we don’t “know” everything.
The Case for Christ is by Lee Strobel, Lee Strobel was an investigative journalist who worked in Chicago and was an editor for The Chicago Tribune. He started his research as an atheist because his wife became a christian and he hated it. He did his research in order to discredit his wife's new found faith and in doing so became a Christian himself, and wrote the book. This guy Distefano didn't say one thing that I just wrote about the book or the author. Has Joe Roagn read any parts of the Bible? Would that be disingenuous to make statements and accusations about Jesus and the Bible without due diligence? He also contradicts what he's stating. Examples being Lee Stroble is not ignorant. There has only been one Jesus, so you can't go by Occam's razor, He's a one of. The Pharisees heard and saw what Jesus did and was doing, and still they refuse to believe. Heres an Occams razor, the simplicity of who and why Jesus came is because of sin, and He is the only way to everlasting life, that He came, died, and rose again, dying for all sin, and whoever should believe in Him should have everlasting life. In any case, Joe should have more Biblical apologists like Steven Meyer, and William Lane Craig( in my opinion weren't truly genuinely open without reservation when they were on his show.) Maybe having Frank Turek, or J. Warner Wallace on his show.
I think having John Lennox, Frank Turek or even Lee Strobel himself. I personally think Frank Turek with a good 2 to 3 hours would break it right down. He might not even need that much time to do that.
@@trunorsemencrafts1369 And Hugh Ross, another astrophysicist. Also, what do you do with timeline's, Jesus' prophesies about the temple being torn down, and Bible prophecy in Jeremiah, Ezekiel, that Israel will be a nation again and they will come from all over the world.
Praise Jesus!
Wish someone would actually go on JRE who can actually make a case.
“500 people saw him.”
Joe: “people see Mary in grilled cheese.”
500 people can’t hallucinate the same thing. People believe in miracles in order to disprove another miracle they don’t want to believe.
Poor Joe Rogan, modern day Pontius Pilot "what is truth?"
And Jesus comes up literally 3-4 times a month for months on Joe’s show..
Maybe someone is trying to get your attention Joe
The question I would ask… is if the Apostles stole the body and it’s a lie…. How many people will die the way they died for a lie?
That many people, someone would have caved.
agree the deaths were gruesome
Christianity if false is of no importance and if true of infinite importance, the only thing it can’t be is moderately important. …. C.S. Lewis
Then C.S. Lewis went on to convert to Christianity in 1931 :)
“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”
― C. S. Lewis
Same thing can be said about other religions though, and you followed the wrong religion and it can be detrimental for the other religion that happens to be the true one
@@allenchang6185 that’s the whole point of Lewis’s quote, you can insert any religion into the quote and it’s still saying the same thing. I choose to say Christianity because I believe it’s the correct one.
@@justinhampton3544 yea It’s just some people tell others that there’s no risk of following but there’s risk of going to hell if it’s true therefore people should follow isn’t really making their cases, cause you can still go to different hell/bad afterlife for following the Christianity too if other religion is true, so I’d say risk is just as high follow or not
We have to remember that Chris is a comedian and although i'm not saying comedians cant be theologists or apologists of Christianity - we can see here that Chris is not the best suited to articulate but, his efforts are definitely appreciative none-the-less. Joe needs to get a real apologist/theologian like Dr. Frank Turek on there.
It’s annoying when Joe keeps trying to dismiss Jesus or talks about people that lived around that time like they were stupid and didn’t know what they were witnessing.
He's dismissing the supernatural aspect, not that Jesus never existed.
@@styx87 he’s dismissing them like they’re idiots and dont know what they saw or witnessed .. tell me who would die horrible deaths if they weren’t convinced what they saw was real ? But , nah, you know.. “ppl see the virgin Mary in grilled cheese sandwiches “ what a dumb comparison
@@zeekot4064 yeah it is a dumb comparison.. he really should have someone like William Lane Craig on by now.
@@user-kc5ec1lr1m he doesn’t want that though . Because , it’s like he’s just looking for excuses not to believe . It’s weird
He never existed.
Joe needs frank turek to come on
This would be incredible
100%
Definitely
He needs William lane Craig
@@JoseCruz-sm3ed 🤯
If this was a. Brazilian fighter Joe wouldnt dare question them.
Joe says resurrection is highly improbable. That’s the point though, it’s a miracle. If it were probable, it wouldn’t be a miracle.
Or the apostles just stole the body to keep their fame and fortune running deep.. kinda how Peter became the most famous member of the Catholic Church. He created and perverted “catholicism” to his own political ideologies he could use to control people. Just as all the rest did. They clearly disagreed on way to many things for there to be a coherent message
Joe doesn't understand that most of life goes along where everything seems to happen naturally but there are times that God steps in a supernatural way.
And as an edit: when Joe moved to Texas he stated that whatever Texas is doing to make it great, that's what I want keep doing it and he immediately goes off on his child getting taught about Christ in school and says that he doesn't want his kid being taught that.
Well, you don't want what made Texas great after all.
Uh.. or the gun laws, self defense laws, taxes, etc. trust me God has NOTHING to do with Texas being great. If anything there’d just be more rape crimes from priests molesting them
If anyone could show 100% undeniable proof, it would remove the need for Belief. I think belief is the whole point, right? Faith.
You get it
One important thing about the tomb that wasn't mentioned, was that the tomb was being guarded by Roman soliders, day and night when the tomb was found empty. If the disciples or anybody else came and stole the body, the soliders would've seen/stopped them.
So many people keep claiming this like it's factual... Almost all historians disregard the notion that "Romans were guarding the tomb".
@@Ryan88881 the historians weren't there, at the time of these events, but we have 4 different accounts from people who were actually there. The same 4 who were later put to death in a brutal fashion, nobody would die a brutal death for a lie, let alone 4 different people for the same lie.
@@smokinjoe90 The fact that you think they would die a brutal death even if it WAS real says it all because that premise still makes absolutely no sense.
@@smokinjoe90 And the whole "historians weren't there" is an amazingly weak argument. If you could even call that an argument...
@@Ryan88881 You can believe the historians, I'll believe the people who were actually there, who witnessed it all, in person.
I use that analogy all the time. People believe the history of Alexander the Great or Spartan lifestyle over Jesus.
It comes down to the extraordinariness of the claims and stories about them. An outlandish claim about Alexander is believable because it’s fun to believe and otherwise has little to no bearing on our lives. However, the outlandish claims about Jesus are apparently the most important facts about history (if true).
Chris kept talking about how 500 people saw Jesus resurrect. Do we have their names and proof of their existence? Did they all write it down? No and no… the only support comes from the Bible and literally nowhere else.
@maddhopps there's plenty of support for it other than the Bible. Alexander is no more fun to believe than Jesus 🤣 you can't speak for everybody on that one. Unless you're just speaking for atheists.
Cities were constructed and named after the conquest of Alexander the Great.
@Christoph-hc2xr great so we believe that but not Jesus? How about the Spartans leaving a new born baby out in the woods to be exposed to cold, hunger and predators. Of course we are expected to believe that because the ones who "survived" could be deemed fit for Spartan culture. Stuff of legend of course.
@@zacharyoverlien6050 I don't know anyone claiming legendary tales about Sparta are historical, except you. The story of Jesus is also fictional.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .
I really hope Rogan can get Richard Carrier on.
6:50 so mass hallucinations is the explanation. SMH. People don't die for hallucinations. And people won't die for something they know to be a lie.
"The likelihood of someone coming back to life is very low..." That's the point. If God were to come down how else would he prove himself as God? If not to bend the laws physical laws that he made?
What Jesus didn't bend was the metaphysical laws that he made, morality for instance. Those laws he did not bend but rather obeyed perfectly because we weren't able to, in order that we might live as someone who did. That's why he died.
Thing is all of Jesus Christ biography was written 2000, 1500, 800, and 500 years before he was here.
But it's crazy people believe just cause and live there life based of stuff 2000 years ago. Completely mind boggling. My favorite anti religion line is " how fortunate you were born into the country you are, that you were born into the right religion" . Lol that always cracks me up. Every Christian just knows it's the right one , just like every Muslim knows it's the right one , just like every , hindu or every religion from every part of the world feels just like you do now. My religion is right yours is wrong. " How fortunate you were born into the right country at the right time "
I wanna see Joe talk about the 42 laws of Ma'at from ancient Egypt. Then talk to me about Jesus.
What would the 42 Laws of Ma'at have to do with Jesus? Genuinely asking.
I think he's calling out the apparent hypocrisy/ double standard. Rogan has professed many beliefs that have very little or unreliable hisoricity, and some with otherworldly/supernatural claims and yet can't fathom how the Christian story could possibly be true.
Thing is, most people can subscribe to the idea Jesus lived and was a 'good guy', but as soon as you say He was God or seriously consider the resurrection they emotionally can't bear the thought, all while holding plenty of other unprovable ideas about reality.
Perhaps that's because Jesus as risen saviour necessarily forces one off the fence. You can't claim neutral or ignorance is either yay or ney with very serious consequences.
But that doesn't make it any less plausible, given the evidence.
If you seriously think someone can come back from the dead....you are a fool.
300 years after Jesus died, people were wearing coins on necklaces of Alexander the great
I agree! The telephone game is a weak unrealistic argument. What was said at the end of the telephone game is only different from what was said at the beginning because of the fact that they are whispering the words into the next person's ear, which makes it sometimes impossible to hear what was said. If you were to have all of those people playing the game stand outside a room with one person inside the room to start off. Then have the second person come into the room and hear the first person say, "monkeys love bananas". Then have the first person leave the room and the third person come into the room and hear the second person say what they heard from the first person, and so on down to the last person - that last person is going to say, " monkeys love bananas. Analogies can only explain your opinion on a situation, but can never act as evidence!
Man is wish Joe Rogan could get Dr Richard Carrier on his show
Probably was based on a real person but the whole song of god and walk on water stuff might be somewhat of creative liberty
The first autobiography on Alexanda may of been years after his death but he was wrote about during his own lifetime especially by his enemies
So was Jesus......🤦♂️🤣
@@boojeboy1 I wasn't saying he wasn't? Just that Alexander was famous during his lifetime so to make out that someone made stuff up 2 hundred years later isn't telling the whole truth.
Alexandre has money with his name on it 😂
Moses was raised by the daughter of the Pharoah in Egypt. He was fluent in multiple languages and could write also. Not only that Israelites weren't illiterate either. Abram came from UR of the Chaldees in Mesopotamia and knew multiple languages. He would of had to to communicate with other tribes like those around Sodom and Gemorah. His descendants went to Egypt where Moses was born.
So the idea of them passing it down by word is an odd one.
Rogen you are gold. I take in all angles too. That's what objective smart people do
Cant believe people still debate about this. Just let people believe whatever they feel like it
No matter how many books you read, and no matter how intelligently you can put it a dead guy did not come back to life
He also never existed. So there's that. 😂
You. My kind sir don't know that. there is more proof.
@@richieb6970 no, there isn't, lol. At all.
@@Kinesiology411 u must be an ignorant person if you think that lol
@@richieb6970 it's truly amazing that logic goes out the windows completely for you people
How many times has this happened in history; Longtime entrenched regime always being jerks to their revolting peasants. One revolting peasant gets uppity about it, has a charismatic/incendiary soapbox moment. The other revolting peasants pick that revolting peasant as their revolting leader and revolting peasants start revolting en masse. Entrenched regime is brutal and doesn’t like revolting peasants revolting. That most revolting peasant gets the kibosh, remembered in poetry/songs/etc., and usually forgotten about after enough time has passed.
Unfortunately, this go-round with that type of scenario, the Romans continued to be d*cks to their revolting peasant population for hundreds of years, so that particular peasant’s hero-legend continued into myth and lore to provide hope for every believer to endure horrible treatment. Unfortunately, unlike other hero-peasant stories that have fallen by the wayside, later on they use this peasant and his “words” as their justification to really f”ck up humanity in general.
The End
NOTE:
THE PROPER TERM IS ACCUSATION, NOT CONSPIRACY…
Where did Jesus go after his resurrection? It's he still here? Is he coming back? What's he been up to?
Lee Strobel has some good books
what is the book he is talking about
Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It’s a great overview/intro to the topic.
Ive read over 50 apologetic books. Go for ‘cold case Christianity’ by wallace or ‘i dont have enough faith to be an atheist’ by Geisler. The Strobel book is very good. It is quite popular. The ones i mentioned are infinitely better.
I don't know why everybody has to shit on Jesus, he was a righteous dude. Looking at the comments it makes sense to why they crucified him.
They hate Christians and Christianity. But amazingly they don’t have the same criticism or vitriol for Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism....🙄
Christ Arose... He arose and they suffered rather than renounce him. They happily marched towards suffering, torture and death rather than renounce a risen Jesus Christ. Hallelujah i believe!
When will Joe have someone who is versed in apologetics on the show? I'm dying to see Joe spend three hours talking to Frank Turek or Voddie Baucham. Matthew and John were written by the Matthew and John who were part of the 12 they weren't written a hundred years later. It's really annoying when people don't spend even fifteen minutes actually researching these topics.
Joe is asking important questions and challenging cultural norms. Guess what - JESUS DID THE SAME THING! Jesus was more than a “great guy who said nice things”. In fact, if He isn’t who He claimed to be, His words are the ravings of a complete madman. He claimed to be God. That’s what drove His own people into a murderous frenzy. The whole of HIs message was revolution. It was counter-culture and it made people think on a deeper level than ever before. Looking at Jesus’ life in light of His deity is the only way to make sense of Him and truly, of life itself. Prayers to all who seek - that you will find. Life is better with Jesus.
There was Roman guards where guarding the tomb, if they failed they would loose their life.
Two thumbs up Chrissy D!
People don't die for a lie the way the Apostles were so eager and willing to go down if they knew they were personally being deceptive regarding what happened to Christ. Then there's the matter of Paul who was not a fan of Christians at first who then converted and witnessed these things.
Rogan also contradicts himself when he says they most likely stole the body, but are willing to then believe claims people saw Christ out of desperation? They have His body so they're not believing that either so those two arguments are not compatible unless they were thinking they saw Jesus in spirit form only but then there's the matter of them being deceptive again with their resurrections story knowing what Jesus said about the liar and the deceiver of truth.
Wow, there’s so many people in this comment section that still believe in Jesus and God. God is real. God bless you all brothers and sisters.
I just think it’s funny how people believe that there was a random “big bang” that just randomly occurred for no reason and that was able to create a planet that just happens to be the perfect environment for human being to survive. That it has a sun which is just apparently some random star and a moon that orbit around this planet regulating the temperature and the tides. People believe all of that just happened randomly? It seems to me much more believable that there was a architect behind these things.
Kudos!
Yes.. and it just so happens to be that the sun and moon, although vastly different in size, are exactly the same size when viewed from earth (as is apparent in an eclipse) because they just happen to be "placed" at perfect distances from us in some crazy happy coincidence.
Just cause you can't explain or comprehend something does not mean there is divine intervention.
Sure but that doesn't mean Jesus existed. He didn't.
@@DanBeLiving sure but just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean it can't happen either, lol.
Regardless, Jesus never existed.
I’ve read the book. He’s right, without a Christian angle, the book proves 100% that Christ lived, etc…
The Alexander the Great twist is that, without him having conquered the known world “PRIOR” to Christ, everyone would have not known the same language.
To many people want to be their own God lmbo fools in reality.. just saying..
Lol Alexander the great didn't walk on water and defy the laws of physics
Oh, please...
Ok let me enlighten y'all.... Jesus is a vampire
Everyone who would’ve “lied” about steal His body, would be subject to the same fate… all the disciples were killed gruesomely and it’s the “logical” explanation that they WILLINGLY died for a lie that they themselves made up????
“A dead guy” Joe Rogan, we’re talking about Jesus Christ the Messiah.
Joe wants his evidence solid, nothing wrong with that , but how can you have a painting without a painter??
And where did the painter come from? 🤯
Scientologists will tell you, or Jehova's Witness, or Hindus, or Islamists, or Buddhists etc etc. Pick your poison.
Ray Comfort logic. 🫣. Even so, if there is a creator, why yours instead of one of the THOUSANDS of gods men have believed in since humans have walked the earth??? 🤔
@stevelang6990 it's not what people say it's what God says simple, problem solved.
@Tbone.357 thousands of fake gods only one true and living God. The problem is people don't want to to know the true God because then they would have to obey.
The pharisees had more skin in the game, for covering up Yeshuas ressurection. And yes the two Roman guards would have been put to death, without the excuse and defence of the story. As from what I've heard anyway.
I also 100% respect joes or anyone else apprehension to believe it. That’s the problem with devout Christian’s these days, they get upset when others don’t believe in their own faith.
That’s a problem…
I like Jesus.. but it's Christianity that does my head in..
If one of the stories about Alexander the Great was that he died and came back to life, I would immediately doubt it, along with most of the other stories written about him, just like I do with the Bible. That’s a horrible example.
I find Joe's approach to looking for answers with several guests about this very topic, and then rejecting them, to be unusual. What he's trying to prove is unclear. Here’s a thought: Joe’s narrative could be altered by reading the bible in its entirety, as he does with other subjects for his guests 🤔
“Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.”
James 1:8 NIV
Proverbs 3:5
All of the evidences there. Joe just doesn't want to believe
Ego Joe….
my eyes glaze over listening to Christians. Its like listening to children talk about Santa Clause or the Easter bunny.
Seriously. You can hear that this clown knows he never existed, lol.
A big difference is that I know the latter aren't real, because I AM Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
Faith people
did you talk with those people "no"
I love this show. Even when the conversation is this absurd and ridiculous haha
You know I just they didn’t include the name of the Jews in this podcast.
According to the Bible…
1 Thessalonians 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
1 Thessalonians 2:11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
1 Thessalonians 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Jesus could return today and announce himself and there would still be deniers
He’s getting all of his information from the Bible. There isn’t any other information about Jesus outside of the Bible that’s what the main problem is. When he keeps the Roman’s say this and the Roman’s said that they said it in the bible
Thats not true at all. Read the Case for the Christ!
Precisely. It's all bs from the Bible and heresay hundreds of years later, lol.
Never happened.
@MrCoolBeans-jg7dc lol, false. It's all fiction.
That’s kinda how God works tho, he defies all logic. He is above all. Out side of space and time and the laws of physics. He is all powerful so resurrection would not be off limits. Things that are impossible for us to understand and do are nothing for God. He’s God. God. He can literally do anything because he is literally God. That’s the explanation. You can’t have a scientific or logical explanation. Well actually, the logic being, that he is God so he can do anything. That is the most logical explanation. We cannot resurrect from the dead, but God can. And that’s it. End of story. Either you accept that or you don’t. But remember, if you decide to live your live separate from God then don’t be surprised when he grants you that wish once you die. Eternity just is. There is no more time in eternity. That concept is gone. So choose wisely.
You're brainwashed
amazing god u got there
25 million children under 5 die every year . Most of them are in the " wrong religion" , out of 7 to 8 billion people the vast majority of them are not Christian, and according to your beliefs. The vast majority of them are going to hell when they die for no fault of their own for just being born in the wrong part of the world. If you think that is right and ok then you are blind
@@xxtoxii9615 Yes, yes he is. The absolute best.
If only he knew scripture to correlate it with that book he could have explained everything perfectly to Joe. In due time, In due time.
Bold discussion Chris. William Lane Craig needs to come on Joe Rogan. He would have gone further with the ‘stole his body’ claim and shown how it was incronguent with the disciples testimony and dying for their faith, and would have explained how even critics of the New Testament admit that the disciples must have actually believed Jesus rose from the dead.
People die for their faith all the time. Doesn't make it real.
@@brianyaniro5086 sure, but here’s what people don’t do. They don’t subject themselves to torture/death for not recanting something they know is a lie. So their martyrdom stands as evidence they believed what they were saying to their core. Even critical atheist New Testament scholars admit this.
@@matthewjohnson2554 nope. Not special at all. Happened all the time.
@@brianyaniro5086 people willingly subject themselves to torture and death to proclaim something they know is false all the time?
@@matthewjohnson2554 no. People who have faith do that. It's not unique to Christianity though. It doesn't mean the beliefs they had were true. If it did mean that then a bunch of religions would be true. It's only impressive to you because you're Christian. Martyrs abound through history.
Aliens and UFOs are real and built the pyramids with ancient technology, but Jesus IMPOSSIBLE... WUT.
I thinks it’s widely agreed that Jesus was a real historical person, and I believe in his divinity but Chris doesn’t sound very educated on this topic and how to explain it it sounds like he skimmed a book or watched a video explaining it, he should have prepared better for this if he was gonna speak on this😊
Amen
Nope, plenty of scholars do not agree that he existed. Only those who set out to prove he did. That's called confirmation bias.
@@Kinesiology411 any supporting evidence for this, I’ve seen plenty of unbiased even atheist researchers agree he was a real human being, it sounds like you have a bias though. I’ll wait for any evidence you have where respected people agree he didn’t live.
@@Kinesiology411 ruclips.net/video/vxuqSg4f7yY/видео.htmlsi=Hmmg6-MKIgZ7pbOn this is just a quick one I found, a respected guys research who isn’t trying to prove he is real. If you don’t accept this video I think clearly you have your own biases and doesn’t really matter what I say, you’re already set in your belief that he wasn’t a real person, if that’s so just admit it or not either way hope u have a great week and everything is going good in your life genuinely, love
@@Japangf2345 sure, do the research.
Guess what, Christians tend to "prove" this myth is real, lol. People who aren't Christian tend to say nope.
He did not exist. At all. It's a fantasy designed to control dumb people. Nothing more.
God bless you, Chris :) P.S. Rogan is misapplying the word "logic" here. Charitably assuming he means actual logic and not just his own very subjective notion of what 'common sense' is, there are only two kinds of logic: Deductive (reasoning from all to some) and Inductive (reasoning from some to all). And neither form of logic categorically rules out a miracle (e.g. the Resurrection) unless the speaker imports a hidden premise, e.g. "I am starting from a belief system that holds that miracles are categorically impossible." Sure, if you start with a categorical disbelief in miracles and are not open to changing your mind based on new evidence presented about miracles, you'll find a way to say that your "logic" chain always closes in a direction that precludes miracles. But that's only circular reasoning, i.e. "I don't believe in miracles because I don't believe in miracles." You can't break out of that kind of circular reasoning unless you're willing to re-examine your premises and consider that maybe a fair assessment of new evidence actually justifies modifying one of your foundational premises.
Joe, you would have a GREAT episode on your hands if you brought in Jimmy Akin, of Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World. :) The guy is head of Catholic apologetics (i.e. Catholic dot com), and he has a super fun podcast examining all sorts of mysteries, from true crime to supernatural to psychic phenomena. And he's an actual original in that he doesn't reflexively believe things, OR disbelieve things. He examines the evidence in each case and thinks it through, allowing himself to be surprised or disappointed one way or the other. It's a really, really great show, and he is a constant presence on radio: He knows how to help make a good show on air. Please bring him on and listen to him :)
You gotta check with the Quran says about Jesus too, it’s very interesting.
Another work of fiction, lol.
Will cost a fortune
I feel like saintly people are aJesus resurrected
Either Jesus was a liar or a crazy person or he was who he said he was
No doubt that Jesus was a real person. Not dure why its even discussed. Real question is was he just a guy or the son of God
He was our brother. In my belief I’m not into or don’t care the Abrahamic religions. They were made to divide in my opinion into 3 hence the father son and Holy Spirit
Depends who you ask back then. Christian’s would say yes, but other (except for some Jewish sects) Abrahamic religions say no. Gnostics would say it’s metaphorical.
I assume he was an enlightened man like buddha
😂😂😂
Full man full god , Lord and Savior
Lol but there are occurrences when people and babies are pronounced dead and then with no possible explanation they become alive. The fact that Joe is so definitive about this but everything else is so unknown is kind of funny.
I’m disappointed he didn’t bring up the records of the apostles mission trips after the Savior ascended into heaven. They all stood by Christ and died gruesome deaths willingly in His name
Virtually all historians agree that Jesus was a real man that did all the things the Bible says he did. The spiritual side of things is where many of them would have an issue since you can't prove that through historical accounts. Besides the fact that the apostles were executed brutally and we know people don't willingly die like that for a lie.
So let me see if i didnt see him myself it didnt happen. This is called FAITH. im not at all religious but joe seems to forget they knew more about the universe in there time than should be possible.
Of course, he was REAL. With a BIG family, & powerful connections, inc.int'l TRADER of tin & copper, Sanhedrin member: Joseph of Arimathea. Mary of Magdala was VERY well off, as well. 1st century Emperor Domitian issued a decree that his bloodline was to be extinguished. N.B. It is said the order was NEVER rescinded.
Jesus people are wierd sometimes.
Or that he argues for proof that 500 people saw Jesus. Yet, history is accepted if but a few are documented to have seen, heard or experienced an event. Joe knows that it's inevitable he will have to accept Jesus. Once you do that you have to clear the wreckage of your past to get right and review how you're currently living your life.
Roman, Jewish, Greek and Arabs all wrote historically relatable accounts of Jesus even if they didn't believe
They repeated heresay.
And?
lol no. name one example. i'll wait.
Santa Claus said hello
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No, it definitely doesn’t. It’s written by a dishonest professional apologist who is routinely corrected, but absolutely refuses to acknowledge the challenges laid out.
For example, precisely zero contemporaries of Jesus wrote anything down about him. The earliest manuscript we have is a copy of a copy of Mark written at least half a century after Jesus supposedly died.
Great point!!!
If that is correct - and im saying it is or isnt - does the copy of a copy disprove Yesua (Jesus) existence?
@@trunorsemencrafts1369 it’s up to those making positive claims to provide positive evidence.
@@highpriestofgavinalmightyh1304 Then thats positive evidence along with geological evidence, time and place, church fathers, gospels of similar perspectives, etc. There's more evidence pointing towards than there is pointing away from. Especially, in relation with historical aspects that live outside of the biblical scripture lined up to the timeline. I think the hard part that people cant get passed is that there was an immaculate conception and that there was a resurrection from death. Both instances are incredibly improbable if not impossible and thats why the explanation is Divine, miracle - supernatural. Human beings who havent gone through all of the evidence cannot comprehend such an event without having to of been there physically.
@@trunorsemencrafts1369 to come to that conclusion, you had to ignore everything laid out.
Even when we take translations of the Bible from over 600 years ago that were written in the old English prior to the modern English of 1611, texts convey different meanings.
Then there is the issue that Protestants and Catholics can’t agree on the authenticity of certain texts.
I’m fine with you liking the Bible (which ever version) as it is written today, but there is no need to resort to intellectual dishonesty to try and claim that a copy of a copy of a copy of an interpreted copy of a reinterpreted copy of a copy is 90 something percent unchanged from original texts we don’t even have according to “scholars“ most cannot even name.
That doesn’t even get into the problem of interpolation overtime which is entirely distinct from interpretation.
Generations of people who never wrote anything down listened intently to and repeated fantastical stories. It is still a colossal game of telephone, and in eras before mass literacy.
We see discrepancies between the version of the Bible considered canon today, and the oldest copies of copies we have in possession of the original manuscripts.
We have dogmatically opposing interpretations of the Bible because the Bible was written by largely anonymous authors who lived at different times, and the various books of the Bible are copies of copies of copies of copies translated over and over again into multiple languages.
We have copies of copies of the Hindu Vedas. They have lasted up til today, and they pre-date Christianity and Judaism. Does that make them true?
Comparing copies of copies of copies does nothing but give us different perspectives on those copies. It also helps inform us of the misspellings, grammatical errors, and outright changes made throughout the copying process.
The Codex Sinaiticus is one of the oldest Bible manuscripts in existence (the other being the Codex Vaticanus).
It was produced in about the 4th century AD.
In addition to missing several books of the Old Testament, the New Testament has additional books: the Shepherd of Hermas, and the Epistle of Barnabas.
This demonstrates that in the mid-4th century when the codex was produced, those books were considered canon by many Christians.
While the Christian canon was forming, there were still differences of opinion on what was “God’s word” and what wasn’t.