What is a 3D Printed Silencer? And Why You Need One
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Metal 3D-printing, or DMLS, is being utilized by silencer makers as an alternative to traditional manufacturing. DMLS is an additive manufacturing process that allows for revolutionary silencer construction. The process involves laser welding metal powder together to form a monolithic structure.
These 3D-printed silencers perform very well in sound suppression, back pressure reduction, weight savings, and durability.
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00:00 Intro
00:36 3D printed silencers
00:49 Traditional Suppressor Manufacturing
02:05 How 3D Printed Suppressors Are Made
04:53 Advances in Materials
05:58 Benefits of 3D Printed Silencers
07:28 Are 3D Printed Silencers Legal?
07:58 Can You Repair a 3D Printed Suppressor?
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I picked up a Huxwrx 556k Flow for my X95 and I am impressed with the sound profile, I like it more than my Surefire Socom556 RC2 or YHM Turbo 556.
Thats an awesome combo, the FLOW series is incredible on gas dependent hosts like the Tavor.
Great job Fellas! Education is key, keep it up.
Thanks guys! Yall are a great example of taking this tech and truly elevating the industry.
Awesome info!
Thanks for watching!
DMLS does save a lot of material that would otherwise be machining waste. However, those savings don't make it to the customers.
I get it, DMLS machines are a huge upfront investment, but once they are written off, it should be super cheap. So here's to hoping that the NFA gets repealed and massive competition and supply increase will finally bring those savings to the customer. Suppressors, espacially light 3D-printed ones, are consumables afterall. They will wear off and degrade, will need replacement.
We haven't found that the be the case, in fact, DMLS silencers are incredibly strong.
@@SilencerShop they are, depending on the model. But they do wear off, especially the titanium ones have a life expectancy of only 5000 to 10000 rounds. Super heavy inconel ones can last a lot longer of course, but may require cleaning of the rather intricate internal structures.
Great content. With “flow through” style technology, any trouble with subs cycling? Also, flash suppression capabilities, are we seeing more flash through these cans?
As for flash, most of the modern 3D printed cans are very good at defeating flash, part of the design of the intricate gas pathing also leads to less flash at the muzzle in most cases.
I’m waiting on a ventum. Can’t wait until prices hopefully drop so I can buy more
with these short wait times. Need more 3D printed cans.
More 3D printed designs are coming for sure!
Honestly I really want to see someone take this new process and designs and apply them to a vehicle I would be fascinated to see if that could work as an improvement over current designs .
Auto and Aerospace companies do use the tech for prototyping, it could definitely create some innovative designs.
@@SilencerShop I would love to see some of the flow through can designs and print a muffler using one to see if there is a sound performance boost. I’d really love to see the Ptr foamed ti design done as a muffler cause that could make a lot of sense on a motorcycle
I love my Velos on my 11.5 w/o a gas deflected charging handle. It's definitely a heavy gal.
Velos is a great suppressor for SBRs, nice choice!
kind of sad I got a flowthru suppressor from OSS (before they changed to HUXWRX) .. wondering what the performance difference is from the OSS to 3d-printed HUXWRX..
Just picked Huxwrx 556k to go with my 762ti. On day 33 the last on took 6 months. Hopefully this one will go better.
Fingers crossed for you!
@silencershop whats the second can from the right on the table with the waffle exterior (left of the flow 556k)? Never seen that one before.
That is a Cobalt Kinetics Scrambler, really impressive suppressor!
@@SilencerShop just looked it up. I wish it came in HUB
I dunno how i never picked up that Chase was a lefty until he mentioned it here; there are dozens of us!
DOZENS, I am actually right handed, but left eye dominant so learning to shoot as a lefty was easier for me. - Chase
I’m looking for my first can. I want a dedicated 556 for use on a 11.5 and 16 AR which 3D printed cans should I consider?
Any of the high flow rate options, like the B&T SRBS 556, CAT WB, HUXWRX FLOW556, SilencerCo Velos, etc. We have videos about all of those suppressors on our channel, and a video on choosing the right silencer. ( ruclips.net/video/gXc1r7PjiFk/видео.htmlsi=76AMrkld_b2yvd8z )
When will the B&T SRBS line be in stock again??
The SRBS DM models (with free tax stamp) are one the site now, ready to go!
I have an Sig 716i . I was thinking Velos 762 but now I see there’s the PTR Vent 1 coming out . What would you recommend?
We'll be testing the PTR soon, it seems to be high performing. The Velos lineup is awesome and bombproof, can't really go wrong with either one!
@@SilencerShop Would love to see you folks do a sound test comparison between PTR's Vent 3 & RD's LS5 suppressor to see which one takes the cake as the quietest suppressor currently available for the 223/556 round. All the sound whores out there will love you long time! 😊
huxwrx 762. No gas adjustment needed.
You guys getting more surefire cans other than rc3 anytime soon?
Hopefully soon!
I just wish they were not all on backorder every time I want one. :-)
Back orders get filled first! Great way to reserve a silencer you're trying to find.
Ive seen many videos on how they work and how cool they are… but haven’t seen anyone ask “how do you clean it ?”
Great question!
CAT and HUXWRX have specialized cleaning solvents for these sealed silencers, they work great!
The way of the future!
Absolutely!
They were not lying at the end. Started the process of buying my 1st suppressor and I hit these guys up 3 or 4 times from the chat feature on the website. super helpful and super responsive.
Love to hear that!
Waiting on my first Cherry popper…B&T SRBS full size 718…I don’t go Ti because I didn’t want to worry about rate of fire…but this is the first of many for me so..I actually already got the ok from the wife for my second 😂 game on.
Nice! Once you pop you can't stop, you'll love the SBRS!
*I didn’t go Ti because…
Will we see more flow through designs?
Flow Through (tm) is a HUXWRX technology. I think lower back pressure designs will continue to become more popular and prevalent.
Dang it! I thought I had all the cans I need!
You can never have enough haha!
How do you clean a suppressor that you can't take apart? You have to buy an ultra-sonic or what?
Cleaning solvents like CAT206 or HUXWRX Suppressor Sauce work great!
Gonna be awesome when at-home printers become a thing.
I think it'll be awhile, but it will be neat!
Already is a thing
@@switchbladeaa at the level like shown in the video?
@@SuperSecretSquirell Yup. Do some research!
Are the 3d printed cans completely superior to the old school baffle cans or are there any existing cons?
As far as quality and durability, yes. As far as flow through/low back pressure, they're louder than traditional cans.
The advantage of 3D printing suppressors is that you're able to make internal geometries that you wouldn't be able to make with standard machining. If the 3D printed design is just a standard baffle like a machined baffle, there won't be any advantage over the machined baffle.
That is not really the case anymore, things like the CAT, PTR, and HUXWRX silencers are some of the quietest suppressors available AND have really low backpressure
Thats correct FDCNC, there no inherent advantage to the tech, it just allows for new, more efficient designs.
@@SilencerShop The PTR Vent 3 for sure! The OCM5 from Otter Creek Labs is another quiet one for 556. Whatever happened to the RD LS5? That's another super quiet (One of the most quietest, if not the quietest can, currently) suppressor for the 556 round.
The statement of having a zero failure rate might be true from a manufacturing standpoint, but if your suppressor comes loose you will definitely not be able to fix it if it was printed in one piece
Yes, most 3D printed designs are repairable. They can cut off the damaged portion and reprint/reweld that section.
I wish they weren't so expensive.
But then they couldn't drive $100k trucks to work.
It’s just the new hotness. As the technology matures I wouldn’t be surprised to see them at the same prices or cheaper than machined cans of similar materials.
Cries in Subaru Outback - Chase
Can you imagine how much one of those machines cost?
You can get some traditional baffle cans for right around 500 which isn’t too bad.
Are we seeing historically low prices yet?
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Would like to see short fat cans like the yhm fat cat become more common to take advantage of all that space with the height over bore.
That might be the future, we will see!
.000008"? That _extremely_ precise. A human hair is ~.004", .001" is actually an excessively tight tolerance in a majority of cases*, even "aerospace" work is usually .001" to .0005", with .0001" being nessesary in only very, very select components.
Typical headspace gauges for something like 30-06 are .004" apart, as in the NoGo is .004" longer than the Go, and the Field is .004" longer than the NoGo.
Yeah its crazy, I believe that is the accuracy that the machine is capable of, not necessarily the accuracy they're using, its still wild how precise these 3D printed parts are.
@SilencerShop
The point here is this. Please do a sanity check on stats and data before broadcasting "uncertain" information in marketing videos.
Erroneous data will erode consumer confidence in the product and your own Brand.
There isn't erroneous data, DMLS printers can achieve .00008 layer thickness, its super impressive.
@@SilencerShop that is very impressive. It's using a laser so that level of precision makes sense, its just crazy to think about.
I love my CGE Helios but the PTR Vent 9 is the coolest thing i have ever seen & heard. I need to quit being poor.
The PTR is awesome, have you checked out the CAT MOB? It's another high performing 9mm silencer.
I may have. If it was at the Quiet at the Capital event or the Primary Arms event in Waxahachie then maybe. I tried a bunch. Almost picked up an Osprey for my Beretta but the misses said I couldn't get any more until at least one of the two were released from jail. So now that they are both free I'm saving for an Alaskan 360 or an obsidian 9. The Alaskan is so light & a little more versatile. But more expensive. I still can't believe I didn't grab that SilencerCo osprey for $675.oo & a free tax stamp. Childhood ruined
Everything ruined.
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3:41 Yeah, sure, "a ton of benefits" ... except, you know, the most important part of owning a suppressor: being able to clean it!
Centerfire silencers do not require the same kind of maintenance that rimfire cans do, but you can still clean these using solvents like CAT206 or HUXWRX Suppressor Sauce.
3:00 you can design a standard CNC cut part in CAD. I would be incredibly surprised if they didn't. You don't seem to know what you're talking about, just regurgitating market speak that you don't actually understand.
Of course you can, the issue is that the traditional systems are much less complex so the benefits of the CAD simulations are less, they’re not dealing with gas flowing thorough the silencer the same way, it’s easy to predict what will happen with a standard baffle design.
You're correct Michael! Some manufacturers use CAD for traditional baffle cans, but the benefits are less apparent as the systems are more simple. The tech still ahs benefits, but is a real force multiplier when it comes to these incredibly complex 3D designs.
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While absolutely cool as all hell, I personally see no advantage of paying 2 or 3x the price for something that isn’t “more” than movie quiet and is half the size of what is currently available. Just how much engineering can be done to make a “boom” quiet? This is being done for 85% manufacturability.
The biggest advantages come in weight savings and back pressure reduction, while also maintaining incredible sound performance.
@@SilencerShop Understood and appreciated…it’s just how quantifiable are the differences. Much is subjective and much is preference as is everything silencer related. I guess my point is that the benefit is as much if not more to the manufacturer. As the end user, only you can decide if it’s worth 2-2.5x the cost. 👍🏻
They can still be repaired? Really? I think you meant to say some of them can still be repaired. I've talked to the PTR guys and CGS guys about the CAT silencers and both responded with it's going to be a complete replacement.
In most cases they can be repaired without replacement.
@@SilencerShop ultimately it's up to the buyer to be educated on what they are getting is cases such as the Velos where the 3D printed portion is welded to a sleeve that has the serial number on it that yes it should be able to be repaired with out a new tax stamp.
Hard to believe 3d printed will last as long as cnc
The process makes them incredibly strong, it eliminates weak points.
Going to ass-ume these are just as expensive to the consumer since they never went over the clear cost savings from manufacturing.
Does the SilencerShop offer any professionally crafted, 3D printed suppressors that are made in Texas? If so, which brands are they?
None that we are aware of right now.
@@SilencerShop , while that's a bummer currently, I hope that in the future that will become possible. Either way, I support the 2nd Amendment as well as those that do as well. Freedom is rarely truly free & is easily taken if not defended.
Fact Check that quote on print thickness (more likely "layer" thickness)? I counted 5 zeros.
That's, 0.000008"...?
A human hair averages 0.00100"
Chase got a bit carried away with an extra zero, DMLS printers can achieve layers as thin as .00008
If only they weren’t being regulated by the ATF..
And unfortunately, it will continue that way until the people, as mentioned in the constitution, begin to enforce it.
Cries in California...
Free states welcome you with open arms
And how many AB warthog 556’s can I get for the price of one of these? 2-3? Yea no thanks I’ll adjust my gas block
There is a little more to it than that, but you're correct that there is still a place for traditional suppressors!
ive seen manufacturers in forums talk about how CFD computer fluid dynamics, the program that simulates the gasses, unfortunately doesn't work well for suppressors as its really difficult or impossible to replicate the exact conditions of whats really happening, I'm not understanding how it being 3d printed changes this, a non dmls suppressor is designed in cad first too lmao
its triggering how little actual knowledge these guys have
You are correct that you can use the same programs for CNC cans, but becuase they are less intricate they are also easier to predict, so the benefit is much less than on the high flow 3D designs.
Not so. CFD solvers and mesh generators make no distinction between simple or complex geometry. And in turn, the difficulty of the analysis ("prediction") is not dependent on, geometry.
They simply execute the task given too them by the engineer.
They are usually limited by the computer horsepower, the engineers time, and yes the complexity of fluid dynamics. Especially in a radial form factor.
I dont want flow-through, so 3D printed is unnecessary. I'm only interested in machined and welded cans.
There are other advantages, lie incredible sound performance, lightweight designs, etc. But you are correct that there is still a place for traditional suppressors.
why do you not want flow-thru? I have only had good experience with mine, love having no gas shotgunned in my face every shot. Genuinely curious if there are drawbacks, I have the original HUXWRX TI suppressor when it was called OSS
@@edxlee You are giving up sound going flow-thru. Gas stuff is of absolutely zero importance for us bolt gun people. All the flow-through stuff is 3D printed, I dont trust the 3D printed stuff not to break yet. I need to do further testing, but seems to degrade accuracy too. But most importantly, can see more through an optic with a traditional design.
How I can use my 100$ gift card? You never ever picked your phone.
We have staff standing by on the phones, you can also use the call back function!
@@SilencerShop Really ? After 100 call back messages left ???? Your business over the phone is joke. It's a public secret.
I mean.. 3d printed metal sintered tech is cool. Stupendously expensive. Not 'BETTER' than machined billet. I don't get how they can pass on the high cost of a less sound technology to consumers and still remain in business😂
DMLS allows manufacturers to build new designs that were previously impossible with machined billet, in that regard they can be better, as there are new possibilities with suppressor design.
I have a 3d Printed Suppressor (Hyperion 7.62) in ATF jail right now...sigh...
You'll love the Hyperion, its a very impressive silencer!
@@SilencerShop Yep. I'm super stoked to get it.
These are not the 3d printed suppressors i am interested in.
Kind of gross that they disclaim they aren't homemade. We shouldn't have to count on small community driven channels to push back against this.
It should be legal to create your own suppressor without asking permission and you shouldn't need to pay a tax to engage in the exercising of a right
Acting like you wouldn't design a suppressor in a CAD program or be able to do simulations on it in a CAD program because you aren't 3D printing it makes me think you guys don't have the greatest amount of knowledge... Were you just trying to fill run time or are you just that unfamiliar with how things are made? The only difference in subtractive and additive manufacturing is the types of designs that you can use. Either way, you're still making the part in CAD and running sims on the design. That will not change.
I really feel like you guys just threw a bunch of buzz out without actually giving any real information on this subject or exactly why the designs are better. "They work better" is basically all you said through the whole video...
You're correct. You can use CAD for traditionally made silencers, the point we are making is that the benefits are not as great because the designs are not as complex.
@@SilencerShopthere are some designs that can’t be produced using cnc, like sintering , but many designs with strange forms can be done using cnc or edm , but it has to be done in modules that will be screwed together. Somit probably more economic to print these in the end. Simulation of airflow of these very complex design might also become very complex. Not even sure that that is actually doable
rotex is all inconel and not 3d printed lol
The new Rotex and SBRS lines are all 3D printed.
I’d take At home 3D printed FTN .3 over your overpriced bull shit
any word on when huxwrx will have the cash 9k back in stock?
No ETA right now, hopefully soon!
i was looking for a pla .stl disappointed not even sarcastic
black aces tactical $200 and has a better decibel rating that $1500 cans