The demise of LPG really boils the blood a bit… there’s cars that came from factory that run on the stuff, terrific subsidies and schemes for conversions and new car purchases, and Autogas itself was cheap, plentiful and no bigger deal to fill up with at the servo. Now you’ve got governments pushing the adoption of EVs that, at least in my opinion, pose far more issues and drawbacks than gas. And with the price of electricity going space shuttle status running costs will reach parity before you know it. All ranting aside, welcome back TT!
We have been doing that since the early 2000's. Spent 15 years drilling CSG & Gas well all throughout Qld, we pump it all the way west to up to Townsville
The taxi scattering the motor across the line while running an 11:01 was iconic. Maybe the most memorable thing to come from the Carnage workshop. So happy to see Scotty taking one more swing at LPG immortality!
Great work as always Scotty. Dont get to worried about the bearing clearances on the "send it" motor. I was a mechanic at Ford for a long time and over the years had a few tours of the Ford assembly plant and I can guarantee there was zero fucks given for clearances at the factory, they zapped the barras together fast, as long it it passed their hot test it was all ok. Theyd stamp the timing case near the powersteer with a hot test number, if you got a car with 2 numbers you know it had a problem at the factory lol. If they can do 500,000+km with assembly like that yours will be fine.
Love it. I subscribe to your engine building ethos too. Ring gap, decent rods, stock used pistons, hone it, fuck checking bearing clearance as these days they are almost always fine, and send it. I'm currently running as much as 2.6bar, a 75 shot of gas, and 8800rpm like that and my engines loving life lol.
I knew Turbo Taxi had some unfinished business! I had a Ford BF wagon on dedicated LPG as a work car & it was a slug. The other worst thing was finding petrol stations that had LPG. I can't wait to see what you do to the engine Scotty. It's got to make 10's on it's comeback final tour!
Remember when we could buy LPG for less than 5c per Litre. Then they made a deal trade economics deal and sold overseas for less than 1c/L, while we had to pay close to $2/L, then the government dropped the local LPG deals when Holden and Ford were still selling brand-new LPG-only vehicles. The only down side, on a hot 30ºc+ day, trying to fill up when the servo was low on fuel and taking a while to get anything... just enough to get to the next place. But for me it has been Duel Fuel since 80's.
W had a new servo in Sunbury about 12 months old and it has four LPG pumps. When I was filling up my alternative fuel Falcon (ie LPG) I had a look at the totals of each of the fuels. LPG was the third highest seller after 91 and diesel (95 and 98 were the other options)
Up here in Sydney the only major remaining servos with LPG are 7/11 and Budget and some independents, Apmol have a few remaining but charging well above what the others are charging seriously $1:35.9 the other day, thieves. It's getting harder ad harder to keep the Au Falcon E:Gas on the road, that said now that winter has gone and the warmer weather consumption has gone from 20L per 100km in metro down to 13L and out on the highways I am seeing low 9's per 100km so even with the standard 73L capacity tank (80% max refill) its not that bad on the highway run and metro is like v8 levels of consumption.
Most of the cost of LPG now is government excise. That's why the government pushed so hard with conversion subsidy's etc for people to convert their cars over. They kept quiet about the excise tax that was getting applied later. You have to keep using gas to pay off the conversion.
My Falcon is a 2000 AU E:Gas (re: dedicated LPG only from the factory). Not duel fuel. 7/11 for the most part have LPG at a per litre price of 94.7c to 99c, Budget have there at around 1.05c but AMPOL (thieves) have per litre pricing starting at 1.20 to 1 35. My understanding is the federal government excuse for LPG per litre is 22c.
I would say the Barra was originally built to pretty good tolerances, they would pick up the slightest variation in our chamfer size at ACL in their spin tests and all of the bearings were graded, they seemed a pretty fussy customer! Should have put Australian made ones back in it though Scotty 😉
This current government is fucked. When the wind doesn't blow. And sun doesn't shine. Where do they think we are going to get our power from? You can't run an economy on coffee shops and tourism.
Scotty, if you think phasing out LPG is silly. Remember back to when they used to burn gas off as a by product for ocean oil rig drilling..thousands of liters of gas burned off into the atmosphere for nothing. Could try converting to methane gas maybe via driver seat 🤔😂
They still do burn it off. Burrup Point near Dampier/Karratha in northern W.A. When the towers are going flat out, it sounds like a jet engine and if the wind is blowing the right way from the observation area you can feel the heat from it too.
Good luck with 10s with gas Scotty but I reckon e85 is where the 10s or 9s are at with those engine's. Keen to see the old girl get with either combos.
We have the same issues here in NZ with LPG. It's bazzare in Australia since so much gets exported. I am in support of Elon heading of to Mars, we should send all our politicians on the first flights. The only drawback would be... No, there are none.
Not the current politicians that did dodgy deals that allow the private companies to export gas to Japan cheaper than we pay for our gas, just for the companies to say they need to dig for more! That's the liberals though.
@honestpat7789 Our alternative fuel industry was created for internal fuel security. The previous govt got rid of our refinery even. LPG pump just down from our place has been removed few months back.
@@Low760 The cartel basically is our government. Politicians are barely in charge. They just collect their pay checks and wait for the golden escalator ride. They just call it government 😏
Gas used to be everywhere in nz too pretty much all the falcon and commodores were using it and there was subsidy here too with install, now you would be lucky to find a station anywhere that has it they were great dual fuel here massive range.
So like 4 or 5 years ago I bought a 2001 Honda Accord sedan (CG1 body style) with a J30A1 V6 with an auto that didn't have reverse. I yanked the entire swap and put in a JDM J32A 3.2 260HP V6, a 2003 Acura CL Type-S close ratio LSD six speed manual, Exedy OEM replacement clutch and flywheel, Hasport mounts, AEM Series II 30-6051 standalone ECU, AEM 340 LPH fuel pump, 1000cc Injector Nation injectors, a Holley intake manifold with a 90mm throttle body, custom made ARP head studs, I bought a cheap set of eBay headers and made a collector pipe with a T3 flange, a Garrett GTS3582 dual ball bearing turbo with a billet compressor wheel, .83 AR exhaust housing, 3" downpipe to an Invidia single in dual muffler exhaust, and my buddy street tuned it on 10 psi. It made 502 whp and it definitely ran like it. Then one day it broke a ringland while I was doing a pull in 3rd gear, and a student driver pulled out in front of me and I not only ran off the road to prevent hitting him, but I went into a drainage ditch and I still hit his passenger quarter panel. The car was totaled. Their insurance company gave me $500 and let me keep the car. I cashed the check, stripped the entire car, and scrapped it for $350. I used to money to buy a 2006 Acura TL that I swapped to a manual with the parts. I turbocharged it too, but it had electrical issues...
You need to get yourself 1 of those plastic splash trays that sit on the base of your engine stand to catch all the fluids when you're rotating the engines over. It'll save making a mess all over the floor that you have to clean up.
I thought only the turbo ran floating piston pins, don't the LPG motors run a larger rod but not a floating pin setup, I can't see any circlips? Didnt the the BF2 onwards get the bigger rods?
@@STREETMACHINETVOK interesting, just always heard and read the LPG engines still ran a press fit gudgeon. Never taken one apart though been offered one but in my reckoning it's worth very little being a high k taxi motor with a suss bottomend. Many still think they're virtually gold plated being a 'greentop'.
With the number of barra motors that taxi and mx5 have used there should be a few short blocks and heads that be put together not to mention rods cranks cams
Later in the video I realised that this wasn't the original Taxi engine. That probably wen tin to the bin at MPW. This is the first NA engine we swapped into the Taxi back at MPW at the start of the project
@@STREETMACHINETV Ahh yes, so that wasn't the engine you thought it was. You started mumbling a bit around that time and wasn't 100% sure where your train of thought was going. Just trying to remember the issues you had with different Barra engines. I remember you changed engines at one point because of the dipstick being in the wrong location, or am I thinking about the MX5?
Should do 98 + a good water/meth set up and give that system the recognition it deserves. I've seen as high as 500kw on a good set up could possibly push that even higher
haha this guy did not check the clearances for the crank & bearings interested to see how long this motor goes for. You would only do this type of thing to a barra lol
The demise of LPG really boils the blood a bit… there’s cars that came from factory that run on the stuff, terrific subsidies and schemes for conversions and new car purchases, and Autogas itself was cheap, plentiful and no bigger deal to fill up with at the servo. Now you’ve got governments pushing the adoption of EVs that, at least in my opinion, pose far more issues and drawbacks than gas. And with the price of electricity going space shuttle status running costs will reach parity before you know it.
All ranting aside, welcome back TT!
The fact we buy our own gas back at market rates is ridiculous.
Only on the east coast. WA was smart enough to reserve gas for themselves.
We have been doing that since the early 2000's.
Spent 15 years drilling CSG & Gas well all throughout Qld, we pump it all the way west to up to Townsville
@@cze33e I'm in WA and gas is dead. Pretty hard to get it anywhere. The last servo that has it in my city is stopping supply at Xmas.
John Howard's fault.
Yes , the LNG tankers just sail out to international waters, turn back to port and have the profit roll in..
“Just shows you the stupidity of our governments”,
Amen to that brutha! 🤙🏾
The Aus government has gone crazy but good to see Turbo Taxi is back!
The taxi scattering the motor across the line while running an 11:01 was iconic. Maybe the most memorable thing to come from the Carnage workshop. So happy to see Scotty taking one more swing at LPG immortality!
You got this! 10s for sure!
Back to grass roots. I like it.
High dollar stuff is cool, but “you may not like it, but I don’t care” is better.
They all have their place but the it's understandable that the low budget stuff will appeal to some
Great work as always Scotty. Dont get to worried about the bearing clearances on the "send it" motor. I was a mechanic at Ford for a long time and over the years had a few tours of the Ford assembly plant and I can guarantee there was zero fucks given for clearances at the factory, they zapped the barras together fast, as long it it passed their hot test it was all ok.
Theyd stamp the timing case near the powersteer with a hot test number, if you got a car with 2 numbers you know it had a problem at the factory lol.
If they can do 500,000+km with assembly like that yours will be fine.
Wow, that's interesting
Yess, Scotty! The Taxi finally gets some attention. Hopefully, it makes a 10 second pass when it's finished.
Love it. I subscribe to your engine building ethos too. Ring gap, decent rods, stock used pistons, hone it, fuck checking bearing clearance as these days they are almost always fine, and send it. I'm currently running as much as 2.6bar, a 75 shot of gas, and 8800rpm like that and my engines loving life lol.
And most of yours seem to be built on the workshop floor! You sure know how to get results though. !! 👌
Good luck Scotty. Im still messin' with a turbo lpg 202 :)
How's that going for you?
@@STREETMACHINETV I love it, but I know one day I'm gonna have to convert it back to petrol unfortunately....
I had to go out and have a smoke after that honing scene
haha
😂😂😂
Are we talking Ben Affleck smoking meme, or more Snoop Dogg smoking meme? Or Mrs Robinson smoking afterwards meme?
Love ya work Scotty. Bang and send! Epic.
quick and dirty engine rebuild video. love it. good luck hitting those 10s
Thats the spirit. Never give up on the gas BBQ
Oh we're going to give it up eventually, it's just too much trouble
Great to see the Turbo Taxi back Scotty, at 10 s should be a cheap ride into town🚕
I knew Turbo Taxi had some unfinished business! I had a Ford BF wagon on dedicated LPG as a work car & it was a slug. The other worst thing was finding petrol stations that had LPG. I can't wait to see what you do to the engine Scotty. It's got to make 10's on it's comeback final tour!
Turbo Taxi:The Whistling Turbo Tour, Turbo Taxi:I Can't Believe its 9's Tour, Turbo Taxi:The Last Time
You choose to do 10’s on lpg not because it’s easy, but because it is hard. An admirable goal in life.
Sounds similar to what Kennedy said about going to the moon.
We do these things, not because they are easy, but because we thought they were going to be easy :)
@STREETMACHINETV LPG can get you your 10's, you can do it Scotty!
@STREETMACHINETV last resort you can always try the LPG in a blue bottle 🤣
@@cze33ehaha was gonna say sounds like a Kennedy moon landing speech!
Love how confident with engine building your getting mate. An inspiration for us people just having a go. Thanks!
Killer episode Scotty can’t wait to see it in the taxi :)
I love watching you build engines..specially Barra ones, probably because I've got one, bog stock but. Cheers mate 👍.
YES SCOTTY! I have been DYING for a Turbo Taxi reboot!
love these builds, doing one at home at the moment
The Taxi is back! Looking forward to watch it run that 10.😊
Remember when we could buy LPG for less than 5c per Litre.
Then they made a deal trade economics deal and sold overseas for less than 1c/L, while we had to pay close to $2/L, then the government dropped the local LPG deals when Holden and Ford were still selling brand-new LPG-only vehicles.
The only down side, on a hot 30ºc+ day, trying to fill up when the servo was low on fuel and taking a while to get anything... just enough to get to the next place. But for me it has been Duel Fuel since 80's.
And rocking the vehicle side to side to get little bit extra in the tank.
17:30 - 17:37 … weird looking red ryobi mate? 😂
Love the content, turbo taxi is by a long way, my favourite carnage project car.
W had a new servo in Sunbury about 12 months old and it has four LPG pumps. When I was filling up my alternative fuel Falcon (ie LPG) I had a look at the totals of each of the fuels. LPG was the third highest seller after 91 and diesel (95 and 98 were the other options)
Hope it stays that way too, co2 emissions aren't the only thing to look at, gas is a lot cleaner than petrol.
Keeping my fingers crossed for you and the Taxi mate!! Can't wait to see how it goes! Keep up the great work that you do!!
Get a life size cutout of John Farnham in the passenger seat.
All in for this one Scotty, always love the in-line six content!
Love garage builds 👌👌
Nice job Scotty, really belting that Barra out quick n dirty :-)
I reckons it'll be the quickest yet !
Up here in Sydney the only major remaining servos with LPG are 7/11 and Budget and some independents, Apmol have a few remaining but charging well above what the others are charging seriously $1:35.9 the other day, thieves.
It's getting harder ad harder to keep the Au Falcon E:Gas on the road, that said now that winter has gone and the warmer weather consumption has gone from 20L per 100km in metro down to 13L and out on the highways I am seeing low 9's per 100km so even with the standard 73L capacity tank (80% max refill) its not that bad on the highway run and metro is like v8 levels of consumption.
Most of the cost of LPG now is government excise. That's why the government pushed so hard with conversion subsidy's etc for people to convert their cars over. They kept quiet about the excise tax that was getting applied later. You have to keep using gas to pay off the conversion.
My Falcon is a 2000 AU E:Gas (re: dedicated LPG only from the factory). Not duel fuel.
7/11 for the most part have LPG at a per litre price of 94.7c to 99c, Budget have there at around 1.05c but AMPOL (thieves) have per litre pricing starting at 1.20 to 1
35.
My understanding is the federal government excuse for LPG per litre is 22c.
I would say the Barra was originally built to pretty good tolerances, they would pick up the slightest variation in our chamfer size at ACL in their spin tests and all of the bearings were graded, they seemed a pretty fussy customer!
Should have put Australian made ones back in it though Scotty 😉
I love this car, it's so Aussie I think you'll hit the numbers, no worries 👍 🤙
It was more mid to late 90s when John Howard was pm you could get a 2grand reimbursement for adding LPG conversion too your vehicle in WA anyway.
Yes! Best of luck with this!
Naturally, the next turbo taxi build should be somehow trying to get a hybrid Camry to run 13s
I spotted a Tesla taxi in Melbourne on Wednesday.
@@morantaylorHow many passes could it make before needing a charge?
@@adrianzmajla4844 I threw that in for shits and giggles... LOL
@@morantaylor All good, I don't see Teslsa taxi in the Carnage future. Unless they want to burn the shop down, that'd be carnage!
Hell yeah! We all love a wham bam Barra that's going to run 9s 👌👌
Turbo taxi for the win
Australia should be self-sufficient in gas (petrol, coal, uranium too)
LOL The John Farnham comeback comment! 🤣
Woohoo, iv been waiting for this! Great work Scotty, cant wait to see the results!
No-one has regretted a Turbo Taxi comeback unlike Farnham.
Great job Scotty 👍🇦🇺
Great progress Scotty!
Great job mate
FINALLY THE TAXI IS BACK!!
Back in the early 70’s, Melbourne had diesel hq taxis.
Didn't know that, you can learn something knew every day, thanks for that bit of history.
Which brand of Diesel motor was installed in the mighty HQ?
This current government is fucked.
When the wind doesn't blow.
And sun doesn't shine.
Where do they think we are going to get our power from?
You can't run an economy on coffee shops and tourism.
Scotty, if you think phasing out LPG is silly. Remember back to when they used to burn gas off as a by product for ocean oil rig drilling..thousands of liters of gas burned off into the atmosphere for nothing.
Could try converting to methane gas maybe via driver seat 🤔😂
They still do burn it off. Burrup Point near Dampier/Karratha in northern W.A. When the towers are going flat out, it sounds like a jet engine and if the wind is blowing the right way from the observation area you can feel the heat from it too.
Good luck with 10s with gas Scotty but I reckon e85 is where the 10s or 9s are at with those engine's. Keen to see the old girl get with either combos.
need a yellow commodore taxi the same year and supercharge it, have twins lol
From now on, I'm going ask the missus, "Do you need a honing baby.. ??" I was harder than Chinese math during that bit..
Good job Scotty👍
"Bit of carbon never hurt anyone". that's what i say when i BBQ.
It's true
Is that’s the end of the Lexcen seeing the rego is cancelled?
Good to see the Turbo Taxi back to mix things up a bit.
Cheers Pat
Nah, we'll run 9s with it yet. After that we'll decide if we re-rego it
I’ve been waiting for this
Pretty sure this was the first full build I followed like church on this channel.
We have the same issues here in NZ with LPG. It's bazzare in Australia since so much gets exported.
I am in support of Elon heading of to Mars, we should send all our politicians on the first flights. The only drawback would be... No, there are none.
Not the current politicians that did dodgy deals that allow the private companies to export gas to Japan cheaper than we pay for our gas, just for the companies to say they need to dig for more! That's the liberals though.
Yeah, we export it all, then buy it back while the government tells us we have a shortage. Meanwhile the prices skyrocket. LPG and Diesel are next!
@honestpat7789 Our alternative fuel industry was created for internal fuel security. The previous govt got rid of our refinery even. LPG pump just down from our place has been removed few months back.
@@honestpat7789 you've misspelt gas cartel. The government is locked out of all this.
@@Low760 The cartel basically is our government. Politicians are barely in charge. They just collect their pay checks and wait for the golden escalator ride. They just call it government 😏
should last out and go crazy and get the rocker cover painted ryobi green lol
Cant wait for a billet barra 👌
Gas used to be everywhere in nz too pretty much all the falcon and commodores were using it and there was subsidy here too with install, now you would be lucky to find a station anywhere that has it they were great dual fuel here massive range.
As a worker in the gas industry, I can confirm we have a lot of gas in the country
Glad to hear your polyptical view.
Maybe an "angry of Dandenong", as in Kenny Everett, on your show.🖖
Scotty for PM.. bring back gas
Politicians stuff everything!!😡
I bet this motor lasts longer then any others just based on the slap together technique 👌
So like 4 or 5 years ago I bought a 2001 Honda Accord sedan (CG1 body style) with a J30A1 V6 with an auto that didn't have reverse. I yanked the entire swap and put in a JDM J32A 3.2 260HP V6, a 2003 Acura CL Type-S close ratio LSD six speed manual, Exedy OEM replacement clutch and flywheel, Hasport mounts, AEM Series II 30-6051 standalone ECU, AEM 340 LPH fuel pump, 1000cc Injector Nation injectors, a Holley intake manifold with a 90mm throttle body, custom made ARP head studs, I bought a cheap set of eBay headers and made a collector pipe with a T3 flange, a Garrett GTS3582 dual ball bearing turbo with a billet compressor wheel, .83 AR exhaust housing, 3" downpipe to an Invidia single in dual muffler exhaust, and my buddy street tuned it on 10 psi. It made 502 whp and it definitely ran like it. Then one day it broke a ringland while I was doing a pull in 3rd gear, and a student driver pulled out in front of me and I not only ran off the road to prevent hitting him, but I went into a drainage ditch and I still hit his passenger quarter panel. The car was totaled. Their insurance company gave me $500 and let me keep the car. I cashed the check, stripped the entire car, and scrapped it for $350. I used to money to buy a 2006 Acura TL that I swapped to a manual with the parts. I turbocharged it too, but it had electrical issues...
Hold my beer taxi back !!! OMG !!!! taxi taxi taxi !!!
Always better watching what you can achieve at home rather then paying a machine shop
Leaving the Carbon on the piston is triggering my CDO XD
It trigger me slightly too, but there a bunch of things on this engine that trigger me :)
@timkirk6237 Glad you got the alphabetically correct version 😊
would love to see a video of converting gas to pertol currently trying to do so myself
You need to get yourself 1 of those plastic splash trays that sit on the base of your engine stand to catch all the fluids when you're rotating the engines over. It'll save making a mess all over the floor that you have to clean up.
I have one somewhere
You know what's great?
Between Carnage and Scotty's garage you get all the important food groups/pronouns...GM Ford Chrysler...
Top shelf!!!👌
Oil injection for the win!
I thought only the turbo ran floating piston pins, don't the LPG motors run a larger rod but not a floating pin setup, I can't see any circlips?
Didnt the the BF2 onwards get the bigger rods?
Turbo and LPi run floating pins
@@STREETMACHINETVOK interesting, just always heard and read the LPG engines still ran a press fit gudgeon. Never taken one apart though been offered one but in my reckoning it's worth very little being a high k taxi motor with a suss bottomend.
Many still think they're virtually gold plated being a 'greentop'.
Where are you finding these factory turbo pistons I can’t get them 😂
Giving the people what they want
The toner looks like it’s getting some attention in the background, but what happened to the maroon AU 😮
That's my daily driver
It got a ‘like’ just for the John Farnham comment, it’s one of favourite jokes 😂
YES!!! and if it isn't LPG I don't care about it on Turbo Taxi.
With the number of barra motors that taxi and mx5 have used there should be a few short blocks and heads that be put together not to mention rods cranks cams
Most of the blocks, heads, and stuff have gone in the bin. We don't have much left now.
Yes
Needs bigger capacity. Add a billet block and bore it out to 4.5 litres. That will fet the job done😎
Can you double injector this thing ? Seems not getting enough GAS into the cylinder has been an issue and injector failures.
It already has two injectors per cylinder
And also the early gas motors had smaller rods if you remember
We've never seen that, every gas engine we've pulled apart has the thicker rods
About time! I cut my teeth on this episode 🎉
👍👍👍
So what was the cause of the rod knock? From what I could see none of the bearings were in bad enough shape to have caused it.
Later in the video I realised that this wasn't the original Taxi engine. That probably wen tin to the bin at MPW. This is the first NA engine we swapped into the Taxi back at MPW at the start of the project
@@STREETMACHINETV Ahh yes, so that wasn't the engine you thought it was. You started mumbling a bit around that time and wasn't 100% sure where your train of thought was going. Just trying to remember the issues you had with different Barra engines. I remember you changed engines at one point because of the dipstick being in the wrong location, or am I thinking about the MX5?
Taxi is cool Scotty but I’m keen for VN turbo stuff
14:30 sentual 😂
Should do 98 + a good water/meth set up and give that system the recognition it deserves. I've seen as high as 500kw on a good set up could possibly push that even higher
good old razor blade rebuild
haha this guy did not check the clearances for the crank & bearings interested to see how long this motor goes for. You would only do this type of thing to a barra lol
Imagjne if they brought the Barra back as a hydrogen motor lol they'd be blue tops then.
Scotty where are the rod bolt protectors?
it doesn't use rod bolts though, it has cap bolts
@@STREETMACHINETV the ones going in are, but not the ones you took out. More likely to mark the crank coming out than going in.
Me so Honenee!
Don't say that Scotty - John Farnham will have three or four more comebacks if he hears his record has been beaten!
In 20 years someone will cry about those rods in the bin 😅
Not NA rods, they won't
Would you sell the new donor car shell once you take your parts?? Im looking for fg whole front end
How much of the front end are you after?
@@STREETMACHINETV front cut
From fire wall forward *