100% the right move by hawthorn. I would’ve been fine with Clarkson leaving even earlier. The writing was on the wall once we starting getting rid of picks for the wingards and o’meara types.
Yes ...Ryan Burton for Chad Wingard was the worst possible trade. Clarko was doing all he could to 'top up, to win'. And we kept losing. O'Meara was already passed his best, Mitchell has recovered from his horrific break and no longer had the tank he won the Brownlow with. Nor could he kick the ball as well any longer. Bringing in Kyle Hartigan was just embarrassing. Sam Mitchell should've taken over the moment Clarko said he was done. No question.
Until Mitchell wins 1, 2, 3, 4 flags and makes 5 grand finals no sane person could possibly say it was 100% the right move. But Sam’s doing great so far.
@@shannonpincombe8485Ryan Burton is playing in the twos for Port and it’s easy to pick out Clarko’s misses in his final few years, perhaps only Chris Scott has had a better success rate trading players from other clubs. Clarkson acumen with trades literally won Hawthorn flags.
As a Hawthorn man, firstly 17 years is a very long time to be coaching the same club. Agree? Jeans, Kennedy Snr, Sheedy etc went on for years and years too. There's a limit right? Jeans had an operation on his brain whilst Joyce took over. That was a sensible idea. Around 2018 I wrote to Hawthorn to suggest that Clarko take a year to two years off. Clarko I think was exhausted after 4 cups. He needed a new big 15 out of 18 that could all play alongside each other for the next 10 years. But in terms of player age, it was all erratic. They didn't give Clarko a break and he probably refused to take a long subatical. I think Clarko was extremely attached to certain players and perhaps put older player loyalty before the team, club and fans. A new breed of young Hawks had to enter the picture. Clarko was slow with the transition. It just happened at Richmond and it's happening at Collingwood now. Currently we have Gunston and Bruest as the vets that are helping the young guns. That's two vets. Under Clarko there was a hesitance to transition quickly to a new set of young stars. I think it shouldn't have come to that. Clubs need to have a better turnover of young and aging stars along the journey I think. Clarko treated too many older players like they were Michael Tucks. Nope, Friar was a rare one. One time my Dad shook hands with Tucky around 1976 and Dad said it was like shaking hands with something made of steel or iron. Strong tendons? Unfortunately the process of bringing new blood into the team takes time and Clarko didn't focus on that enough. Sam Mitchell has and really has moved things along pretty quickly in two to three years. But it should've been done much earlier by Clarko. Hawks are about three years behind where they wanted to be. The fans expect. A good solid young team of stars should carry you through a decade. Picking the right ones is everything. Remember the 1980s under Jeans? I suggested on around 1993 that Leigh Matthews should coach Hawthorn. No one listened. Kennedy Snr was a genius at picking the right players. In the late sixties, he picked a young Hudson, Matthews, Scott, Knights, Moore, Crimmins and so on. Super stars. Alan Jeans did the same thing in the early eighties. Now Sam has that team of super stars now, we all agree, that they are developing rapidly. Sam is humble and is developing into a great coach. I think he tried to do too much initially. Things are cool now. Hawthorn and the fans couldn't accept Clarko dragging his heels on forming a new breed of young stars. It meant saying bye to his close friends like Hodgey, Burgey etc. He really struggled to do that. It seemed like he was on a working holiday. Many premiership players were shot in truth. That dilly dally ultimately cost him his job. Ironically Clarko has a new breed of stars at North now. Go figure! On that issue, it's all worked out for everyone. Right? Right! You guys at Fox are still milking it for what it's worth. 'Headlines'. Maybe you guys need to take a break or be replaced? How long have you been in the job? Time for a change? Lol!
This happened three years ago. Hawthorn are going well under Sam Mitchell, North Melbourne are showing positive signs under Alastair Clarkson...so why are we still talking about it?
Okay, now wait a minute? So Clarkson, simply for sentimental reasons/loyalty, waged war against his bosses to give Burg an extra contract to guarantee he gets his 400 games. Clarkson did this at the risk (which came to fruition) of his coaching career at the football club. Then a couple of years later, he is accused of systemic abuse of same group of players? I am confused here.
You have totally missed the cause. When Hawthorn won the Grand Final in 2008.Clarkson thanked Dicker and did not mention Kennett.Next year Kennett wanted to drop Clarkson to coach Box Hill. He was stopped by Dunstall.
Shame the relationship is torn, Clarkson is Hawthorn legend and every hawk fan has been blessed to see 4 flags in 8 years they should've let clarko go a bit earlier and got mitchell in earlier and it wouldn't of ended as toxic as it did
i'm loving what Frosty is doing this year. I'm happy to get Battle but I'm not sure about Barrass. Sicily moving forward means we lose his penetrating kick off half back. So who gets dropped for Battle and Barrass - Frosty and ??? Sicily goes forward for Gunston who is in ripping form again - and we've gotta squeeze Mitch Lewis back in. Nice problems to have I guess.
@@bakiunicornfrost will be 32 next year and will be more of a depth player barras and battle will allow Sicily to move forward or be a complete intercept defender and weddle will move to mid or wing Mitch Lewis has never played more than 15 games in a year and won’t be ready to play until mid season Dear just needs to put on some muscle in the off season and then I would have him ahead of Lewis anyway
Surely Battle won’t be getting $900+ next year. Solid player who seems to have the potential to be a very good player but his performances to date certainly don’t justify that size of a pay check. Maybe he would just be the beneficiary of circumstance where one club has heaps of room in its cap and the offer is driven up further by the Saints who know this and believe he wants to leave regardless…
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100% the right move by hawthorn. I would’ve been fine with Clarkson leaving even earlier. The writing was on the wall once we starting getting rid of picks for the wingards and o’meara types.
Yes ...Ryan Burton for Chad Wingard was the worst possible trade. Clarko was doing all he could to 'top up, to win'. And we kept losing. O'Meara was already passed his best, Mitchell has recovered from his horrific break and no longer had the tank he won the Brownlow with. Nor could he kick the ball as well any longer. Bringing in Kyle Hartigan was just embarrassing.
Sam Mitchell should've taken over the moment Clarko said he was done. No question.
Until Mitchell wins 1, 2, 3, 4 flags and makes 5 grand finals no sane person could possibly say it was 100% the right move. But Sam’s doing great so far.
@@shannonpincombe8485Ryan Burton is playing in the twos for Port and it’s easy to pick out Clarko’s misses in his final few years, perhaps only Chris Scott has had a better success rate trading players from other clubs. Clarkson acumen with trades literally won Hawthorn flags.
@@jsequine927 clarkson is done, 100% right move. Don’t see north Melbourne going anywhere soon.
Clarkson started making mistakes from end of 2015 and it just got worse from there
I love the guy but am so glad Sam is there now
As a Hawthorn man, firstly 17 years is a very long time to be coaching the same club. Agree? Jeans, Kennedy Snr, Sheedy etc went on for years and years too. There's a limit right?
Jeans had an operation on his brain whilst Joyce took over. That was a sensible idea.
Around 2018 I wrote to Hawthorn to suggest that Clarko take a year to two years off. Clarko I think was exhausted after 4 cups. He needed a new big 15 out of 18 that could all play alongside each other for the next 10 years. But in terms of player age, it was all erratic.
They didn't give Clarko a break and he probably refused to take a long subatical. I think Clarko was extremely attached to certain players and perhaps put older player loyalty before the team, club and fans.
A new breed of young Hawks had to enter the picture. Clarko was slow with the transition. It just happened at Richmond and it's happening at Collingwood now.
Currently we have Gunston and Bruest as the vets that are helping the young guns. That's two vets. Under Clarko there was a hesitance to transition quickly to a new set of young stars.
I think it shouldn't have come to that. Clubs need to have a better turnover of young and aging stars along the journey I think. Clarko treated too many older players like they were Michael Tucks. Nope, Friar was a rare one.
One time my Dad shook hands with Tucky around 1976 and Dad said it was like shaking hands with something made of steel or iron. Strong tendons?
Unfortunately the process of bringing new blood into the team takes time and Clarko didn't focus on that enough.
Sam Mitchell has and really has moved things along pretty quickly in two to three years. But it should've been done much earlier by Clarko.
Hawks are about three years behind where they wanted to be. The fans expect. A good solid young team of stars should carry you through a decade. Picking the right ones is everything. Remember the 1980s under Jeans? I suggested on around 1993 that Leigh Matthews should coach Hawthorn. No one listened.
Kennedy Snr was a genius at picking the right players. In the late sixties, he picked a young Hudson, Matthews, Scott, Knights, Moore, Crimmins and so on. Super stars.
Alan Jeans did the same thing in the early eighties. Now Sam has that team of super stars now, we all agree, that they are developing rapidly.
Sam is humble and is developing into a great coach. I think he tried to do too much initially. Things are cool now.
Hawthorn and the fans couldn't accept Clarko dragging his heels on forming a new breed of young stars. It meant saying bye to his close friends like Hodgey, Burgey etc. He really struggled to do that. It seemed like he was on a working holiday. Many premiership players were shot in truth.
That dilly dally ultimately cost him his job. Ironically Clarko has a new breed of stars at North now. Go figure! On that issue, it's all worked out for everyone. Right? Right!
You guys at Fox are still milking it for what it's worth.
'Headlines'. Maybe you guys need to take a break or be replaced? How long have you been in the job? Time for a change? Lol!
This happened three years ago. Hawthorn are going well under Sam Mitchell, North Melbourne are showing positive signs under Alastair Clarkson...so why are we still talking about it?
welll......you see, the co-media-ns, will do Anything to ruffle the feathers...pardon the punt.
its an interesting story and gives some clarity and understanding to an issue that has still been murky
Drama drama drama.
Like watching love island with AFL media.
Newscorp's finest doing their best work here lol
....push those sales, Anyway you can.
Okay, now wait a minute? So Clarkson, simply for sentimental reasons/loyalty, waged war against his bosses to give Burg an extra contract to guarantee he gets his 400 games. Clarkson did this at the risk (which came to fruition) of his coaching career at the football club. Then a couple of years later, he is accused of systemic abuse of same group of players? I am confused here.
Looking at this RIP Sam
Gee you guys must be in the inner sanctum at Hawthorn. Sounds like real housewives of Beverly Hills. Get a life.
there is just, No Emoji for wankas.
You have totally missed the cause. When Hawthorn won the Grand Final in 2008.Clarkson thanked Dicker and did not mention Kennett.Next year Kennett wanted to drop Clarkson to coach Box Hill. He was stopped by Dunstall.
Was time for Mitchell to take over. The Waingard move was and is disastrous.
This is the problem when you give journalists free speech, absolute fairy tales.
tend to agree with ya.
Yeah they just read Bigfooty and fill in the blanks
so only you want free speech?
and which parts are "fairy tales"?
Shame the relationship is torn, Clarkson is Hawthorn legend and every hawk fan has been blessed to see 4 flags in 8 years
they should've let clarko go a bit earlier and got mitchell in earlier and it wouldn't of ended as toxic as it did
Go port
They have gone!
should jeff kennett get more of a mention in this story ??
Yep
The wife basher?
As President he did the right thing moving Clarko on...
probably even a payrise.
I don't think we should pay all that money for Battle. I'd rather go to the draft and manage with Frosty for now
i'm loving what Frosty is doing this year. I'm happy to get Battle but I'm not sure about Barrass. Sicily moving forward means we lose his penetrating kick off half back. So who gets dropped for Battle and Barrass - Frosty and ??? Sicily goes forward for Gunston who is in ripping form again - and we've gotta squeeze Mitch Lewis back in. Nice problems to have I guess.
@@bakiunicornfrost will be 32 next year and will be more of a depth player barras and battle will allow Sicily to move forward or be a complete intercept defender and weddle will move to mid or wing
Mitch Lewis has never played more than 15 games in a year and won’t be ready to play until mid season
Dear just needs to put on some muscle in the off season and then I would have him ahead of Lewis anyway
Hindsight?
Leaks obviously and selling a paper.
Surely Battle won’t be getting $900+ next year. Solid player who seems to have the potential to be a very good player but his performances to date certainly don’t justify that size of a pay check.
Maybe he would just be the beneficiary of circumstance where one club has heaps of room in its cap and the offer is driven up further by the Saints who know this and believe he wants to leave regardless…
new to this are you...they all do the same thing...year after year....until they get what they want.
Oh God, who cares. Coaches not seeing eye to eye. Riveting!
Lol who wants to listen to these nobodies discuss this old boring news
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Get off the drugs
Ease up on the emojis..
Lenny kravtitz/Billy idol pre game afl grand final entertainment twilight or night 😂😂❤❤😂😂❤😂😂😂❤😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Like listening to 3 virgins
🤣😂to be honest...i dont know but hey....🤷♀