What i love about tyler the most is that he's not just great at music, hell the visuals alone for the chromakopia album so far are beautiful, and im honestly a fan of his clothes as hes very hands on with designs. As his name implies he's not just a musician, he is truly a creator.
He’s said before he wants to be in the film industry and all of his MVs are arranged, directed, acted etc. by him so it makes sense why the visuals n stuff would be so good
Tyler is my favorite artist by far, but I hate how people just hate him for the sake of hating him or glaze him into oblivion. I like how you just stated the facts, and I loved your breakdown of Chromakopia. Thanks for actually looking into the album instead of just mindlessly glazing or hating like most people are. I'd put Chromakopia in the same place as you, between wow and whoa, there was nothing I disliked about it, but it just feels like it's missing something, which was there in CMIYGL. My personal favorite songs in the album was either Take Your Mask Off or Like Him.
@@chowder7498 I could see that, I think CMIYGL is best out of these 3 and even though I like CMIYGL and Chromakopia more than Igor I can agree Igor is objectively better than both even though I think CMIYGL is close competition.
@@Zeus-715 CMIYGL definitely has a great variety and the songs are very well produced along with lyrics but Igor just HITS the nail for me that no other album has with that beautiful Synth
Thats just your opinion, nobody has to agree or share your thoughts on Tyler's albums some one that likes it more or less is neither a glazer or hater just because you don't agree
@@Aesos3429I’d probably say because he’s done with the Gambino name, he’s fine with pushing these little tracks he did a while ago but he’s ready to retire the title and doesn’t really want to be credited . That’s my guess though
I was just listening today after Chromakopia. I think Flower Boy is the best Tyler album, and the best of the year. I think Tyler was in his bag the most with it. It's insane how every single song is not only amazing, but fits cohesively with the entire vibe of the album. In my opinion, Flower Boy is a masterpiece. I'd give it a 10/10.
People are big up on IGOR and CMIYGL and now Chroma, but Flower Boy is still peak imo. They're all 9/10 or better albums, but Flower Boy is his magnum opus in my eyes.
@@BlueEyedGojo23 I'm glad you liked it! It took me awhile to really understand it. I didn't really start fw it until about 5th or 6th listen. That opening track is just absolutely gorgeous. Some big bangers off that album ngl. New Magic Wand, A Boy is a Gun, Gone Gone/Thank You, and Running Out of Time are simply amazing.
i clicked on this video VERY hesitantly because i thought this would be some guy bullshitting his way into thinking that tyler's music is bad i'm very pleasantly surprised
The way Tyler breaks down HOW people listen to albums.... is so very accurate. It makes NO sense to drop an album on a Friday, at midnight. And all these artists do this (as per label conditions I'm sure). Tyler prefers Monday or early in the week, which is very unconventional & different these days. Sounds like he hangs out with REGULAR people & can easily relate. Many other artists esp more famous ones, probably don't even consider these things. Tyler is definitely one of the MOST genuine artists today. For sure. He deserves more credit, yes. But at the same time, he's one of those artists that everyone knows & loves, regardless what's going on with the "charts".
Tyler is bigger than hip hop. He’s not in the conversation because he’s in a different conversation, that being on of the best musical artists of all time.
The glaze in insane 😭 He ain't in the conversation because his music is BASIC Lyrics BASIC He's really good yes but not good enough to be in the conversation so just stop the glaze please you're embarrassing yourself
“Big 3” nigga Kanye west is still alive, 😂 drake is alive, Kendrick Lamar is alive, Nas is alive, Wayne is alive? Project pat is alive. Tyler makes good music but top 3 for rapping? That’s GLAZEEEEEEE
In the rap industry, genre bending disqualifies you from the GOAT conversation, it happened to Kanye and it's happening to Tyler. Even Lil Wayne lost momentum when he releases a rock album.
@@john-olivierlukama1548 But when ever Kendrick tries to bend genres, it's always hip hop in the end. Half of TPAB is hip hop beats with a jazzy sample. He not bending the genre like Kanye. The only person I can think of that changed genres successfully is Childish Gambino.
@@john-olivierlukama1548 Jazz rap has been a thing for decades and sampling jazz is so core to hip-hop that i wouldn't call it genre bending at this point. By that logic every famous sample heavy album would be a genre crossover.
@@john-olivierlukama1548yeah A tribe called quest started Jazz rap its been a foundry of New York rap just like G-funk and funky beats are for the west. Soft sounding Jazz and R&B was for the East. Kanye made 808s and heartbreaks and Graduation and got hated on at the time. And why he went on to make My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
@@l43spaz17literally everything, are you kidding? Tyler from start to now is insane as an artist: yall like Jcole because he’s the commercial type rapper
This is nothing but truth. Hip hop and artistry are inseparable we just forgot for a min while commercialism took over. Old heads remember p Diddy dominating now look at where that ended up. For every golden era there is a bling era. Ideally the pendulum swings. I'm excited about this shift toward continuing deep multi-genrlerational thought to take hold again.
@@Poopdedoop2 It is true though lol. I remember Comethazine drop some really good lyrical deep shit but people wasn't messing with it so when he switch to trap style, people was consuming it like no tomorrow when he was around. Same with Ugly God. Austins is not wrong. I can say that for sure. We got a lot of trap, mumble and turn up music in rap nowadays. Sure we got our lyrical, deep and metaphorical artists in the scene too but that person isn't wrong.
Yup, I think Tyler is completely under appreciated, he’s got crazy talent, and I love the fact that he’s always been exactly who he is and who he wants to be and is still succeeding. We don’t highlight that kind of thing enough, don’t champion people who think different than the norm and still create incredibly good art. Especially when it comes to popular music and especially especially when it comes to hip hop. He’s gotten so good at what he does I always look forward to his next drop of music because I know it’s going to be great.
what made the Big 3 the “Big 3” was that they were not only the biggest rappers, but some of the best too. They both had commercial success and critical success, though J Cole and Drake lack the latter in recent years
@@wnuZeLLionaire nahh the big 3 was a concept since at least 2016, that’s when the whole heart soul and mind concept got attached to the 3, and the time even I saw how they were perceived as the big 3 of rap
It did, but I personally think that’s a misstep. Tyler’s version of Mr. Morale is Mr. Immoral lol. His true north is something way more sinister than the kind of introspection we know other artists for. I think the best version of him somehow finds out how to have a challenging sound again
stoped listening, went back to listening to Chromokopia. The big 3 is a joke anyway. One is a pedo, one is a good rapper and Kendrick is the goat, but there are so many good rapper around.
Tyler doesn’t like that his genre bending projects have been given the name “hip/hop” when some are clearly pop. He’s not a hip hop artist. He’s just an artist
@ no Wayne wasn’t getting black people to wear vans until Tyler came around. People criticized Wayne for going rock/skater, they supported the music but they wasn’t following his fashion like they did with Tyler and that’s probably why he got brand deals with Louie Vitton
@@SuperMonkeyMaster87 OFWGKTADGAF is just the extended extended name of his rap grouphe was in during early 2010s. It’s “odd future wolf gang kill them all don’t give a fuck”
I don't even remember when I decided to listen to his music but it was somewhere after Yonkers and the mixtapes. I swear, I said.. "this mf different." And ended up Golfwang lmao. I'm old af now and still don't know why I love this dude and his music. 😂😂😂
I am a huge Tyler enthusiast. I was a HUGE fan of Odd Future, their adult swim show, and their fashion back in the day and was upset when OF broke up, but Tyler has just kept evolving into himself more and more, and if it's not him it's a cool character to watch either way. He was 15 when he first drew that donut, and so on
i've been sayingg since the drake vs kendrick beef that it didn't make sense to me that J Cole was still considered to be on the big three when Tyler has been a bigger and more creative artist for the past 5 years or more. loved this video!!
I'm someone who mostly listens to alternative, rock or punk or whatever music, but i like Tyler's stuff mostly because it has a lot of feeling while being catchy.
I literally thought that same about this album. It definitely feels like a mix of Speakerboxx/The Love Below and Mr. Morale. It's a really really good album that I can actually listen to with pretty much no skips. I'm an older guy so I enjoy the more mature theme. Tyler has grown on me over the years and I'd have to say this is my favorite album to date from him.
true to an extent, he's never been afraid of being himself, he's simply matured and grown in many aspects, musically and personally. He branched out while keeping to his roots while digging away the rot, but hey maybe thats just me
I woke up 430 am. on Monday in anticipation, and he made me wait till 9 needless to say i bopped so FUCKING hard to that shit. Thought I was dead and sticky stick out in the album as just bangers that dont need the album then tomorrow always catches my ear
although CHROMAKOPIA is good but i personally feel like it's missing somethings even tho its packaged WELL but it feels like those 14 amazing songs aren't all there is of the CHROMAKOPIA project (just thoughts that i had😭)
Arguably it was always the big three then Tyler. The mainstream part of the culture just had to soften to accept him over time while anyone who's been here since OFWGKTA knew what it was back then. That changed overtime with each solo project. That said, second mention: This man Tylers become an even bigger Bi-sexual icon than he already was.
Okay, a wild take from me and a wild comparison as well, but I feel Tyler is like Bachira from Blue lock anime. Hear me out. Blue lock, the football institute and training facility has this strict regime and a ranking system. And the Protagonist, Isagi tries to climb it and be the No. 1 striker, like your basic protags do. But Bachira as a character is so unique to this world and among characters, that, he doesn't even follow or care about the rules and ranks of the training system. His character isn't at all shown as some kind of a big 3 or a character that the protagonist should take as main rivals in the narrative, but still shown as someone who is realllly good at football. And all he does is just play like he usually does. He doesn't care about the standards, the play of football and just goes with the flow. He is that weirdo guy who is also someone who proves himself without even trying to prove and stands among the top, yk? And I feel Tyler's place in this whole rap game, he is like Bachira, weirdo (in a good way) and doesn't stick to the standards and expectations in the hip-hop space, and just does what he likes and that always brings him at the top and people look up at him as among the best in the industry. LIke, if someone says the top 3 in hip hop, no one is gonna mention Tyler, but when someone does mention Tyler, everyone would be like "oh shit, yeah he does stand shoulder to shoulder among the big 3". The main reasons why people don't bring him in the conversation is because, as Tyler said, he isnt just a rapper, he is Tyler and does stuff which he is passionate about and rap is one of them. He isn't someone you can rank. He just thinks out of the box and does things outside of standards.
Great comparison and character breakdown. There are big personalities that represent HipHop/rap that don't recognize Tyler as one of the big guys because he doesn't fit the stereotypes we all know. He's one of those children that get slightly pushed aside, is noticed by everyone except those I've named, but come out as a unique child that HipHop/rap really needs.
Solid video but i think putting Earfquake and Yonkers above "See You Again" is insane truthfully, even if they're bigger numbers wise I think See You Again would be picked up easier by a crowd than Middle Child if both were playing in Public tbh
Im not much of a hip hop fan but tyler got me hooked on some song of his and his strange way of making his song really inspired me to be my own type of person be different in some way
I feel like Tyler deserves to not really be lumped into Hip Hop alone. His work has transformed so much over the years. I don’t know what it is. Pop? Expiramental? I’m not so sure. It definitely still has some roots in hip hop, no doubt, but it really isn’t like a Kenny album or Ye album. It’s very unique
igor is elevated by its nature of storytelling through music, I think its objective is completely different from chromakopia I think it does achieve its goal better than chromakopia but this recent album still does what it sets out to do
Hey “See You Again”, “Potato Salad”, “She” and “IFHY” could be considered Tyler anthems besides just Yonkers and Earfquake. Also 911 is pretty nice and OLDie but I guess that is all Odd Future tbh😂
@@austins.2495he made tpab and is honestly one of the best rap albums ever made. GKMC also has the best storytelling of all time. Every popular artist gets "glazed". He's a great rapper, with good beats, and good meaning and many other things
im a total nerd when it comes to how musicians market themselves, and what their output is influenced by. i think the main reason tyler, the creator is so great is that the music he makes is not made “for” the listeners. obviously fan interaction and consumption is his paycheck, but his fandom loves him because he has so much passion for his work, passion he wouldnt have if he was just making what the people wanted to hear. like, is there another album that came out that sounds ANYTHING like Chromakopia? tyler is a risk taker, and thats part of why hes so special.
Kendrick has literally made a jazz album an audio documentary , an audio therapy session , and a soundtrack for a movie .... This was an unfair question
I feel like it isn’t them taking any big 3 spots. It’s a new big 3. Travis n Tyler are certainly there I just dont know who’s third. Both Tyler n Travis aren’t solely rapping either which makes their reach way father. Carti n uzi are probably closest but I’m not sure if I’d give them the spot
Just listened to this album front to back. Impressed!! Can’t say I’m a fan but Tyler the real deal!! If he wins rap album of the year, I wouldn’t be surprised by the slightest
Really good analysis. Asks some really important questions, except for one: why is someone who started as an outsider so concerned with not being one anymore? I think you’re right that Tyler’s easily one of the biggest artists in hip-hop now, but it feels like it’s at the expense of some really challenging art that the mainstream could use. It serves us well for him to still know how to upset some people.
Do you guys ever think that one day Tyler's going to drop his last album that brings every question together and it's actually going to destroy our freaking minds? This man is a creative genius. I'm obsessed with everything he does
Tyler has a INCREDBLE imagery. He knows well how to use colors and how to contrast in clothes. Not only this, but his music is always a masterpiece, im a fan of his desings and songs. This guy is so damn talented! Love him.
I think this critique is so good :D!! Great job on the video! As a small critique on a critique (haha) I think some of the cultural nuances are lost within your explanations of different songs and sounds on the album. On the track “I killed you” it’s a celebration of blackness/African American culture within a larger culture of oppression that leads to black people suppressing and downplaying the traits that make them beautiful and unique. I do agree with your take that it is about his personal struggle with navigating and understanding his identity but I think there’s just more depth than what you eluded to in the video :D On that note, I also think the inspiration for Sticky is important in the consideration of the song. This song is inspired by HBCU drumlines and their catchy repetitive nature. I think saying the flow is dumb-down is a bit disingenuous with the lack of nuance to what he’s playing homage to. But overall great job and I love your analysis :)!!!
You failed to mention the last verse on Noid that wasn't in the video, one of the best sonically on the whole album, which makes me wonder if you heard it.
The Big 3 is not a continuous concept, Drake, Kendrick & J Cole will always be the Big 3 as long as they're active. You can sell as much as you want but at the end of the day, those 3 are the Big 3 cause of their lyrical ability for the most part, coupled with the mainstream success.
Wow I feel so old hearing you say the “blog era” was 2009/2010 😭. Blog era was 2003ish-2007, AKA when our only “social media” was MySpace. Before Facebook and Smartphones (both 2007) blogs were literally the only way we could share information online ❤
I wanna push back slightly on your early segment- I don't think Tyler's early work is any less emotional than his current stuff, or what was being put out at the time. It's brash, it's controversial, it's edgy for sure, but not unemotional. He tackled topics like feeling like an outsider, being rejected by the music industry, the consequences of his short rise to fame and being too young to be taken seriously, his (non)relationship with his dad, being misunderstood in a myriad of ways. I also think that the edge is emotion in itself- it's not like it comes from nowhere. People do that because they're angry with the world, and I think people being edgy for the sake of it in art gets a bad rap. When you're angry at the world for all the ways it's fucked sometimes you wanna just say some fucked up shit. And in that there's a political statement all of its own. I know Tyler has since said he doesn't like his edgy early stuff but I love his earlier edginess because sometimes I wanna just yell at the world and it's nice to know there's other people sick of it out there. I'm a big fan of punk rock, and I feel like the movement has been dulled to something more palatable recently. Tyler removing scum fuck from the title of flower boy speaks to that, changing the overarching presentation of his music to be more commercialized. I like his new pop music, it doesn't need to be so super edgy all the time and I like the sound, but there is something I miss about him going against the grain in that type of way. In a lot of ways he actually still has that edge in him, he just doesn't say the slurs anymore, so the mainstream takes it different. Don't get me wrong, he's still unique as an artist. But I miss that part of him that matured out. And I don't think it took away from the raw emotions he presented in his music, just like early punk rock being emotional and political and hurt and angry.
Basically, we need to be honest about how versatile and deserving Tyler is to beat out "the big 3" with his range of sound and themes across his different albums. He has always been able to supply to the public what the music scene was in a deficit of and has what it takes to be the icon of a generation... basically what I got from the video
My only issue with Tyler is the same issue I have with Rick & Morty, the weird fans that glaze them into oblivion. Yes they might be a smaller subsection of the overall fan base but they’re by far the most vocal. They make it actually cringy and embarrassing to say you’re a fan of Tyler in public because immediately people get PTSD flashbacks just hearing the name. TLDR; Fans who meat ride are cringe and ruin everything.
Tyler is talented. No argument there. Ultra talented. It’s kinda wild seeing some peoples opinions on this though. I never would have guessed I would read that some people consider him to be a hip hop artist to be considered as a top 3 contender. I love his old albums the most, felt more real to me. Might have just been where I was at the time (currently 37), but like, his lyrics aren’t even close imo to being on the same intellectual level as the others in the category. It’s not even remotely close when you really listen to the tracks. Maybe I’m drunk or just in my own world…but it just isn’t even comparable. I feel like you’re trying to put him in a category that he just doesn’t belong in. He’s too different. He’s in his own lane and is doing phenomenal at it. Lmk if I’m high or something. Just my thoughts.
in the late 80's and early 90's before gangster rap and even as gangster rap was popping off, there was a genra of rap music called "conscious rap" where they rapped about normal shit and activism. it was the comercialization of gangster rap that killed your lyrical miracle conscientious style of rep, or at the very least drove that shit under ground. gangster rap and the crack cocaine "epidemic" were just a long laundry list of things that poisend african american culture in recent past that we are still seeing the effects of today.
You can say Tyler is the better Artist overall compared to J Cole, but to ask if J Cole given us bold storytelling records just shows you’ve never really listened to his catalogue. 4YEO and KOD are both amazing storytelling albums, and Hey Jane is essentially Tyler’s Version of Lost Ones. If you’re gonna compare their artistry at least be honest.
A lot of people don't realize that older Kendrick songs most times had a deeper meaning, mostly connecting to God and Christianity, leading to a more personal feeling tying Kendrick music and meaning to his own past, which is something that was done a lot in the 90s, but very little from the 2010's and on.
I value emotional impact in an artist just as much as the music/sound. Cole is a more effective artist than tyler in terms of making you feel something/effecting you mentally through their music. Yes tylers albums are experimental and filled with exotic sounds and many genre elements etc etc. But i dont feel anything when listening to his music. It doesnt move you and will be void of nostalgia in 10 to 12 years. And this is just as big a reason why cole is a part of the big 3 as other common reasons.
5:58 childish gambino. Slightly less productive, but equally diverse. I’m a huge fan of Tyler similar to millions of others, you make it sound like no one’s giving him his due. its more case of him just not being in the same lane as other mainstream rappers-which is another point you’re making
Comparing artists like Tyler, The Creator and J. Cole oversimplifies the diverse landscapes they each navigate. While charts can hint at audience preferences, they don’t reflect the vastly different audiences and artistic goals these artists have. Tyler’s introspective, genre-bending evolution targets a distinct crowd that values boundary-pushing creativity, while J. Cole’s grounded, storytelling approach resonates deeply with his core fans. Art is personal, and every artist holds a unique place for their audience.
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What i love about tyler the most is that he's not just great at music, hell the visuals alone for the chromakopia album so far are beautiful, and im honestly a fan of his clothes as hes very hands on with designs.
As his name implies he's not just a musician, he is truly a creator.
legendary comment
He’s said before he wants to be in the film industry and all of his MVs are arranged, directed, acted etc. by him so it makes sense why the visuals n stuff would be so good
and bro is hilarious
as someone who craves to do all I can creatively, I see Tyler as a role model for all the "Creators" out there
He's also a Tyler
Tyler is my favorite artist by far, but I hate how people just hate him for the sake of hating him or glaze him into oblivion. I like how you just stated the facts, and I loved your breakdown of Chromakopia. Thanks for actually looking into the album instead of just mindlessly glazing or hating like most people are. I'd put Chromakopia in the same place as you, between wow and whoa, there was nothing I disliked about it, but it just feels like it's missing something, which was there in CMIYGL. My personal favorite songs in the album was either Take Your Mask Off or Like Him.
I agree, it felt like not a lot of anything, but packaged really well
Personally it’s better than CMIYGL but Igor is better
@@chowder7498 I could see that, I think CMIYGL is best out of these 3 and even though I like CMIYGL and Chromakopia more than Igor I can agree Igor is objectively better than both even though I think CMIYGL is close competition.
@@Zeus-715 CMIYGL definitely has a great variety and the songs are very well produced along with lyrics but Igor just HITS the nail for me that no other album has with that beautiful Synth
Thats just your opinion, nobody has to agree or share your thoughts on Tyler's albums some one that likes it more or less is neither a glazer or hater just because you don't agree
It’s childish gambino singing on I killed you and judge Judy btw
Still wonder why he didn’t wanna be credited for that tho
@@Aesos3429wdym?? everyone was credited for their feature
you can always check the song description in streaming plataforms to see any features on them @@Aesos3429
@@LucidDonion the track lists he’s not featured.
@@Aesos3429I’d probably say because he’s done with the Gambino name, he’s fine with pushing these little tracks he did a while ago but he’s ready to retire the title and doesn’t really want to be credited . That’s my guess though
flowerboy changed my life itll be remembered as a late 2010's masterpiece
Nah just A masterpiece. The date don't matter anymore.
I was just listening today after Chromakopia. I think Flower Boy is the best Tyler album, and the best of the year. I think Tyler was in his bag the most with it. It's insane how every single song is not only amazing, but fits cohesively with the entire vibe of the album. In my opinion, Flower Boy is a masterpiece. I'd give it a 10/10.
People are big up on IGOR and CMIYGL and now Chroma, but Flower Boy is still peak imo. They're all 9/10 or better albums, but Flower Boy is his magnum opus in my eyes.
@@mewxtwoI think Igor is a little better
@@BlueEyedGojo23 I'm glad you liked it! It took me awhile to really understand it. I didn't really start fw it until about 5th or 6th listen. That opening track is just absolutely gorgeous. Some big bangers off that album ngl. New Magic Wand, A Boy is a Gun, Gone Gone/Thank You, and Running Out of Time are simply amazing.
she chroma on my kopia til i judge judy
it's gettin sticky in this bitch
You don't judge Judy..... 🐺
@@Badatcode123 i would never juuuuuuuuuuuuuudge judy (no i dont juuuuuuuuudge judy)
SHE? Like the song from goblin??
she chroma on my kopia til i get sticky 🤪🤪
uploading on a monday was honestly his best decision, only album i've been listening to this week. even did a listening party with the boys
i clicked on this video VERY hesitantly because i thought this would be some guy bullshitting his way into thinking that tyler's music is bad
i'm very pleasantly surprised
Ikr!?
Im honestly disappointed he didn’t say anything different from what every Tyler fan says
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@@user-the-Nobodyhater or nah?
@@aprinceofearthsea4875 love his music, just disappointed
The way Tyler breaks down HOW people listen to albums.... is so very accurate. It makes NO sense to drop an album on a Friday, at midnight. And all these artists do this (as per label conditions I'm sure). Tyler prefers Monday or early in the week, which is very unconventional & different these days. Sounds like he hangs out with REGULAR people & can easily relate. Many other artists esp more famous ones, probably don't even consider these things. Tyler is definitely one of the MOST genuine artists today. For sure. He deserves more credit, yes. But at the same time, he's one of those artists that everyone knows & loves, regardless what's going on with the "charts".
generational talent, him and Kendrick are the best hip hop artists of of our time, two of the best artists in general
That’s a bold statement to make
Not bold, just dumb bro tbh
Tyler is bigger than hip hop. He’s not in the conversation because he’s in a different conversation, that being on of the best musical artists of all time.
Stop it..
Leave your drug addiction out of This bruh
Correct
The glaze in insane 😭
He ain't in the conversation because his music is BASIC
Lyrics BASIC
He's really good yes but not good enough to be in the conversation so just stop the glaze please you're embarrassing yourself
The best parts of Tyler’s music are just frank ocean sounding parts
Idc Tylers been big 3 since 2019 and CMIYGL solidified it for me personally 🙏
“Big 3” nigga Kanye west is still alive, 😂 drake is alive, Kendrick Lamar is alive, Nas is alive, Wayne is alive? Project pat is alive. Tyler makes good music but top 3 for rapping? That’s GLAZEEEEEEE
100%
Fax
I loved that album and it's going to be one of his timeless albums he's ever made.
2019? Let's try 2009! Listening to Bastard and Goblin back to back is like watchibg a movie! Tyler is a unicorn!
Bro said “Guy with an attitude” 💀
Yeah I'm so nostalgiac for "Gentlemen Who Are Quite Sassy"
“scum eff flower boy”
Let the nigga say nigga then.
fr like he expects us to not laugh at the fckin "yo girlfriend look like my mom"😭
In the rap industry, genre bending disqualifies you from the GOAT conversation, it happened to Kanye and it's happening to Tyler. Even Lil Wayne lost momentum when he releases a rock album.
Not true. TPAB is basically a jazz album and is considered as THE GOAT Hip-hop Album.
@@john-olivierlukama1548 But when ever Kendrick tries to bend genres, it's always hip hop in the end. Half of TPAB is hip hop beats with a jazzy sample. He not bending the genre like Kanye.
The only person I can think of that changed genres successfully is Childish Gambino.
@@john-olivierlukama1548 Jazz rap has been a thing for decades and sampling jazz is so core to hip-hop that i wouldn't call it genre bending at this point. By that logic every famous sample heavy album would be a genre crossover.
@@john-olivierlukama1548yeah A tribe called quest started Jazz rap its been a foundry of New York rap just like G-funk and funky beats are for the west. Soft sounding Jazz and R&B was for the East. Kanye made 808s and heartbreaks and Graduation and got hated on at the time. And why he went on to make My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
tyler has always been better then j cole
That part
At rapping ?
@@l43spaz17more like the one with the better rap projects and his overall artistic progression. better than jermaine atm
@ i can respect tyler is a better overall artist but he can’t out rap cole
@@l43spaz17literally everything, are you kidding? Tyler from start to now is insane as an artist: yall like Jcole because he’s the commercial type rapper
This is nothing but truth. Hip hop and artistry are inseparable we just forgot for a min while commercialism took over. Old heads remember p Diddy dominating now look at where that ended up. For every golden era there is a bling era. Ideally the pendulum swings. I'm excited about this shift toward continuing deep multi-genrlerational thought to take hold again.
Unfortunately, most of the people who listen to hip hop/rap are not even capable of constructing such intricate thoughts and introspection.
@@austins.2495 that is not true at all. Anyone who listens to Aesop Rock (not A$AP Rocky) uses their brain unlike what you claim.
@@austins.2495good rap will stimulate any ones mind
@@austins.2495would you also agree that most people who listen to country only have 1 tooth right in the middle?
@@Poopdedoop2 It is true though lol. I remember Comethazine drop some really good lyrical deep shit but people wasn't messing with it so when he switch to trap style, people was consuming it like no tomorrow when he was around. Same with Ugly God. Austins is not wrong. I can say that for sure. We got a lot of trap, mumble and turn up music in rap nowadays. Sure we got our lyrical, deep and metaphorical artists in the scene too but that person isn't wrong.
“Guys With Attitude, aka N.W.A”😂😂😂😂
Thats how you do it 😂
A joke that will fly over everyone
I love it lmfao
Yup, I think Tyler is completely under appreciated, he’s got crazy talent, and I love the fact that he’s always been exactly who he is and who he wants to be and is still succeeding. We don’t highlight that kind of thing enough, don’t champion people who think different than the norm and still create incredibly good art. Especially when it comes to popular music and especially especially when it comes to hip hop. He’s gotten so good at what he does I always look forward to his next drop of music because I know it’s going to be great.
I JUST CHROMOD ALL OVER MY CROPIA 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
She chromin on my kopia
she chro on my moko 'til I pia
she chroma on my kopia till it get sticky 🔥😫
JUST FLOWERED ALL OVER MY BOY 🔥🗣
Booooooo
what made the Big 3 the “Big 3” was that they were not only the biggest rappers, but some of the best too. They both had commercial success and critical success, though J Cole and Drake lack the latter in recent years
The big 3 was made up by Jcole to make 3rd place look better
@@wnuZeLLionaire nahh the big 3 was a concept since at least 2016, that’s when the whole heart soul and mind concept got attached to the 3, and the time even I saw how they were perceived as the big 3 of rap
I love NWA, Public Enemy, Wutang, and Pac, but let’s not disrespect Quest, yeah? Alright then lol
Tyler isn’t bad but the glaze is crazy.
U sound kinda like my friend Andrew
I’m glad you said the new album gave mr morale vibes. That’s what I got from the new album.
Tyler himself, said he was heavily inspired by MMATBS for CHROMAKOPIA
It did, but I personally think that’s a misstep. Tyler’s version of Mr. Morale is Mr. Immoral lol. His true north is something way more sinister than the kind of introspection we know other artists for. I think the best version of him somehow finds out how to have a challenging sound again
stoped listening, went back to listening to Chromokopia.
The big 3 is a joke anyway. One is a pedo, one is a good rapper and Kendrick is the goat, but there are so many good rapper around.
Tyler doesn’t like that his genre bending projects have been given the name “hip/hop” when some are clearly pop. He’s not a hip hop artist. He’s just an artist
Tyler got everyone to wear vans too
lil B
@@rbfx9741💯😤
@@rbfx9741 exactly lil B and wolf pack got every one including nurses wearing vans.
Pretty sure that was waynes skater era
@ no Wayne wasn’t getting black people to wear vans until Tyler came around. People criticized Wayne for going rock/skater, they supported the music but they wasn’t following his fashion like they did with Tyler and that’s probably why he got brand deals with Louie Vitton
Felicia The🐐 he's a mixture of Ye & Skateboy P OFWGKTA AOTY
OFWGKTADGAF
And. Skateboard P
@@RandomDumbTeenagerOFWGKTADGAFLLBBLSBFBN
@@RandomDumbTeenagernever seen the gaf I think. I've heard of Bastard and Goblin a couple times. Maybe I need to listen to The Odd Future tapes more
@@SuperMonkeyMaster87 OFWGKTADGAF is just the extended extended name of his rap grouphe was in during early 2010s. It’s “odd future wolf gang kill them all don’t give a fuck”
I don't even remember when I decided to listen to his music but it was somewhere after Yonkers and the mixtapes. I swear, I said.. "this mf different." And ended up Golfwang lmao. I'm old af now and still don't know why I love this dude and his music. 😂😂😂
I am a huge Tyler enthusiast.
I was a HUGE fan of Odd Future, their adult swim show, and their fashion back in the day and was upset when OF broke up, but Tyler has just kept evolving into himself more and more, and if it's not him it's a cool character to watch either way. He was 15 when he first drew that donut, and so on
i've been sayingg since the drake vs kendrick beef that it didn't make sense to me that J Cole was still considered to be on the big three when Tyler has been a bigger and more creative artist for the past 5 years or more. loved this video!!
I'm someone who mostly listens to alternative, rock or punk or whatever music, but i like Tyler's stuff mostly because it has a lot of feeling while being catchy.
Tyler himself doesn’t like being classified as a rapper.
So what
That was one of the best intros I’ve ever seen, 3:30 seconds flew by great job!!💫
I literally thought that same about this album. It definitely feels like a mix of Speakerboxx/The Love Below and Mr. Morale. It's a really really good album that I can actually listen to with pretty much no skips. I'm an older guy so I enjoy the more mature theme. Tyler has grown on me over the years and I'd have to say this is my favorite album to date from him.
Igor was not a complete Hip Hop album, Earfquake was a Rnb record sung by Charlie Wilson
Igor was way more than a hip hop album, overall.
igor was not a hip hop album at all
Tyler isn’t Hip-Hop. He’s really in his own lane. Tylers genre is Tyler ❤️🔥
Being here since OFWGKTA has made every album make sense, he hasnt evolved hes always been this way
true to an extent, he's never been afraid of being himself, he's simply matured and grown in many aspects, musically and personally. He branched out while keeping to his roots while digging away the rot, but hey maybe thats just me
Smooth brain take. No understanding of nuance.
Bro didn't talk about Like Him, I'm crashing out.
Good video, though!
2024's Big 3 is really Kendrick, Travis, and now Tyler
Idk about travis
@ I’m really basing it off of how successful the circus Maximus tour was. 2025 ‘s big 3 will probably be different
@@lkh1093there is no more and probably will NEVER be another Big 3.
@@lkh1093 oh true
Yea fr
I woke up 430 am. on Monday in anticipation, and he made me wait till 9 needless to say i bopped so FUCKING hard to that shit. Thought I was dead and sticky stick out in the album as just bangers that dont need the album then tomorrow always catches my ear
I remember when he won his first VMAs dude was so happy and no one didn’t really know who he was, I just knew him from Yonkers eating that bug
Kendrick is from Compton bruh
Cool bro
im a metalhead/punk person. but i love Tyler's work fr. he is talented when it comes to his music imo.
although CHROMAKOPIA is good but i personally feel like it's missing somethings even tho its packaged WELL but it feels like those 14 amazing songs aren't all there is of the CHROMAKOPIA project
(just thoughts that i had😭)
9:03 "With him slipping through the cracks, and I'm not talking about anything he's doing in the bedroom" YOU WILD lmao
Tyler is a generational artiste...
7:34 See You Again has entered the chat
Arguably it was always the big three then Tyler. The mainstream part of the culture just had to soften to accept him over time while anyone who's been here since OFWGKTA knew what it was back then. That changed overtime with each solo project. That said, second mention: This man Tylers become an even bigger Bi-sexual icon than he already was.
Okay, a wild take from me and a wild comparison as well, but I feel Tyler is like Bachira from Blue lock anime. Hear me out.
Blue lock, the football institute and training facility has this strict regime and a ranking system. And the Protagonist, Isagi tries to climb it and be the No. 1 striker, like your basic protags do. But Bachira as a character is so unique to this world and among characters, that, he doesn't even follow or care about the rules and ranks of the training system. His character isn't at all shown as some kind of a big 3 or a character that the protagonist should take as main rivals in the narrative, but still shown as someone who is realllly good at football. And all he does is just play like he usually does. He doesn't care about the standards, the play of football and just goes with the flow. He is that weirdo guy who is also someone who proves himself without even trying to prove and stands among the top, yk?
And I feel Tyler's place in this whole rap game, he is like Bachira, weirdo (in a good way) and doesn't stick to the standards and expectations in the hip-hop space, and just does what he likes and that always brings him at the top and people look up at him as among the best in the industry. LIke, if someone says the top 3 in hip hop, no one is gonna mention Tyler, but when someone does mention Tyler, everyone would be like "oh shit, yeah he does stand shoulder to shoulder among the big 3". The main reasons why people don't bring him in the conversation is because, as Tyler said, he isnt just a rapper, he is Tyler and does stuff which he is passionate about and rap is one of them. He isn't someone you can rank. He just thinks out of the box and does things outside of standards.
Great comparison and character breakdown. There are big personalities that represent HipHop/rap that don't recognize Tyler as one of the big guys because he doesn't fit the stereotypes we all know. He's one of those children that get slightly pushed aside, is noticed by everyone except those I've named, but come out as a unique child that HipHop/rap really needs.
@2:26 fellas w attitude 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Solid video but i think putting Earfquake and Yonkers above "See You Again" is insane truthfully, even if they're bigger numbers wise I think See You Again would be picked up easier by a crowd than Middle Child if both were playing in Public tbh
Im not much of a hip hop fan but tyler got me hooked on some song of his and his strange way of making his song really inspired me to be my own type of person be different in some way
Right now, Tyler is in my top 5 for the last 5 years... This young man is very creative !!! I actually look forward to his releases.
phenomenal background and lit review on the industry haha
I feel like Tyler deserves to not really be lumped into Hip Hop alone.
His work has transformed so much over the years.
I don’t know what it is. Pop? Expiramental? I’m not so sure.
It definitely still has some roots in hip hop, no doubt, but it really isn’t like a Kenny album or Ye album. It’s very unique
bro gave chromakopia a 7.5 and tried to soften the blow with the 6 W system lol
this his best album
Id say igor is his best personally, but chromokopia is a close second with its amazing production and heartfelt lyrics.
Very valid take. I really love Chromakopia, but it just doesn’t quite top igor for me
imo igor is still his magnum opus project but this was his most genuine album and it rlly shows
igor is elevated by its nature of storytelling through music, I think its objective is completely different from chromakopia
I think it does achieve its goal better than chromakopia but this recent album still does what it sets out to do
Future Travis Scott and Kanye West will forever be my big 3
"Chromakopia green like pickle rick, chromakopia i got the cold im crazy sick 🤫🤫🤯🤯"
Hey “See You Again”, “Potato Salad”, “She” and “IFHY” could be considered Tyler anthems besides just Yonkers and Earfquake. Also 911 is pretty nice and OLDie but I guess that is all Odd Future tbh😂
"slipping through the cracks" is wild🤣🤣🤣
Slipping through my cracks 🤤
"can you name one of the big three with a impactful four album run like Tyler?"
"Kendrick"
"well J cole-"
"what about kendrick"
*moves on*
How is Tyler BEHIND Kendrick in the Big 3 convo?
2017-2024: DAMN, Mr. Morale
2017-2024: Flower Boy, IGOR, Call Me If You Get Lost, Chromakopia
Good point. I also don’t really understand the glazing that Kendrick receives tbh
It's not always about amount of albums, you could argue that the concept Albums of Kendrick have more depth than Tylers Records.
Kendrick released songs in 2024?!?
"The biggest out the city after Kenny, that's a fact now"
Tyler, the Creator. (2024, October 28th). Rah tah tah. Chromakopia.
@@austins.2495he made tpab and is honestly one of the best rap albums ever made. GKMC also has the best storytelling of all time. Every popular artist gets "glazed". He's a great rapper, with good beats, and good meaning and many other things
im a total nerd when it comes to how musicians market themselves, and what their output is influenced by. i think the main reason tyler, the creator is so great is that the music he makes is not made “for” the listeners. obviously fan interaction and consumption is his paycheck, but his fandom loves him because he has so much passion for his work, passion he wouldnt have if he was just making what the people wanted to hear. like, is there another album that came out that sounds ANYTHING like Chromakopia? tyler is a risk taker, and thats part of why hes so special.
5:36 XXXTENTACION did. To answer your question…
I agree but it’s different because his creation was cut short
Kendrick has literally made a jazz album an audio documentary , an audio therapy session , and a soundtrack for a movie .... This was an unfair question
I feel like it isn’t them taking any big 3 spots. It’s a new big 3. Travis n Tyler are certainly there I just dont know who’s third. Both Tyler n Travis aren’t solely rapping either which makes their reach way father. Carti n uzi are probably closest but I’m not sure if I’d give them the spot
Kendrick, Cole, Tyler, Travis are the only really big rappers I can think of
Just listened to this album front to back. Impressed!! Can’t say I’m a fan but Tyler the real deal!! If he wins rap album of the year, I wouldn’t be surprised by the slightest
Really good analysis. Asks some really important questions, except for one: why is someone who started as an outsider so concerned with not being one anymore?
I think you’re right that Tyler’s easily one of the biggest artists in hip-hop now, but it feels like it’s at the expense of some really challenging art that the mainstream could use. It serves us well for him to still know how to upset some people.
I'd like to imagine they would like to be accepted. Like how drake really wants street cred to be more "in the crowd"
if people dug out older albums bastard\goblin\wolf then you'll understand what made tyler. lyrics aren't simply "controversial"
Do you guys ever think that one day Tyler's going to drop his last album that brings every question together and it's actually going to destroy our freaking minds? This man is a creative genius. I'm obsessed with everything he does
Tyler has a INCREDBLE imagery.
He knows well how to use colors and how to contrast in clothes. Not only this, but his music is always a masterpiece, im a fan of his desings and songs.
This guy is so damn talented! Love him.
I think this critique is so good :D!! Great job on the video! As a small critique on a critique (haha) I think some of the cultural nuances are lost within your explanations of different songs and sounds on the album. On the track “I killed you” it’s a celebration of blackness/African American culture within a larger culture of oppression that leads to black people suppressing and downplaying the traits that make them beautiful and unique. I do agree with your take that it is about his personal struggle with navigating and understanding his identity but I think there’s just more depth than what you eluded to in the video :D On that note, I also think the inspiration for Sticky is important in the consideration of the song. This song is inspired by HBCU drumlines and their catchy repetitive nature. I think saying the flow is dumb-down is a bit disingenuous with the lack of nuance to what he’s playing homage to.
But overall great job and I love your analysis :)!!!
You failed to mention the last verse on Noid that wasn't in the video, one of the best sonically on the whole album, which makes me wonder if you heard it.
The Big 3 is not a continuous concept, Drake, Kendrick & J Cole will always be the Big 3 as long as they're active. You can sell as much as you want but at the end of the day, those 3 are the Big 3 cause of their lyrical ability for the most part, coupled with the mainstream success.
Ghostwriters*
Tyler just seems like a theatre major to me, and I love that
real fans have been honest lol he makes good music yall youtubers just glaze it more than it is
Wow I feel so old hearing you say the “blog era” was 2009/2010 😭. Blog era was 2003ish-2007, AKA when our only “social media” was MySpace. Before Facebook and Smartphones (both 2007) blogs were literally the only way we could share information online ❤
I just like his voice style and personality. Bros cool
I wanna push back slightly on your early segment- I don't think Tyler's early work is any less emotional than his current stuff, or what was being put out at the time. It's brash, it's controversial, it's edgy for sure, but not unemotional. He tackled topics like feeling like an outsider, being rejected by the music industry, the consequences of his short rise to fame and being too young to be taken seriously, his (non)relationship with his dad, being misunderstood in a myriad of ways. I also think that the edge is emotion in itself- it's not like it comes from nowhere. People do that because they're angry with the world, and I think people being edgy for the sake of it in art gets a bad rap. When you're angry at the world for all the ways it's fucked sometimes you wanna just say some fucked up shit. And in that there's a political statement all of its own. I know Tyler has since said he doesn't like his edgy early stuff but I love his earlier edginess because sometimes I wanna just yell at the world and it's nice to know there's other people sick of it out there.
I'm a big fan of punk rock, and I feel like the movement has been dulled to something more palatable recently. Tyler removing scum fuck from the title of flower boy speaks to that, changing the overarching presentation of his music to be more commercialized. I like his new pop music, it doesn't need to be so super edgy all the time and I like the sound, but there is something I miss about him going against the grain in that type of way. In a lot of ways he actually still has that edge in him, he just doesn't say the slurs anymore, so the mainstream takes it different. Don't get me wrong, he's still unique as an artist. But I miss that part of him that matured out. And I don't think it took away from the raw emotions he presented in his music, just like early punk rock being emotional and political and hurt and angry.
Dot, Tyler and Cole is the big 3. Id personally put joell Ortiz in the place of Cole for my personal list but few ppl know joell.
Joel ortiz???😂😂😂☠️
Basically, we need to be honest about how versatile and deserving Tyler is to beat out "the big 3" with his range of sound and themes across his different albums. He has always been able to supply to the public what the music scene was in a deficit of and has what it takes to be the icon of a generation... basically what I got from the video
I feel like I’ve seen this same video with same visuals and narration multiple times.
My only issue with Tyler is the same issue I have with Rick & Morty, the weird fans that glaze them into oblivion.
Yes they might be a smaller subsection of the overall fan base but they’re by far the most vocal.
They make it actually cringy and embarrassing to say you’re a fan of Tyler in public because immediately people get PTSD flashbacks just hearing the name.
TLDR; Fans who meat ride are cringe and ruin everything.
Tyler is talented. No argument there. Ultra talented. It’s kinda wild seeing some peoples opinions on this though. I never would have guessed I would read that some people consider him to be a hip hop artist to be considered as a top 3 contender. I love his old albums the most, felt more real to me. Might have just been where I was at the time (currently 37), but like, his lyrics aren’t even close imo to being on the same intellectual level as the others in the category. It’s not even remotely close when you really listen to the tracks. Maybe I’m drunk or just in my own world…but it just isn’t even comparable. I feel like you’re trying to put him in a category that he just doesn’t belong in. He’s too different. He’s in his own lane and is doing phenomenal at it. Lmk if I’m high or something. Just my thoughts.
This is good work man
Tyler is just simply the most talented creator
12:37 - Middle G
Bruh 💀
The Andrew Tate you got from Temu
💀🧑🦼
The Off-Season alone is better than anything Tyler has made, Lets be fr
U could be right abt “darling, I” but I think “sticky” could be the one
This album beginning to end was a 10 out of 10....🔥🔥🔥🔥
Most diverse artists since Andre 3k, sure. No one changed rap more than 3k though
in the late 80's and early 90's before gangster rap and even as gangster rap was popping off, there was a genra of rap music called "conscious rap" where they rapped about normal shit and activism. it was the comercialization of gangster rap that killed your lyrical miracle conscientious style of rep, or at the very least drove that shit under ground. gangster rap and the crack cocaine "epidemic" were just a long laundry list of things that poisend african american culture in recent past that we are still seeing the effects of today.
True
You can say Tyler is the better Artist overall compared to J Cole, but to ask if J Cole given us bold storytelling records just shows you’ve never really listened to his catalogue. 4YEO and KOD are both amazing storytelling albums, and Hey Jane is essentially Tyler’s Version of Lost Ones. If you’re gonna compare their artistry at least be honest.
“….guys….with an attitude” 🤣
A lot of people don't realize that older Kendrick songs most times had a deeper meaning, mostly connecting to God and Christianity, leading to a more personal feeling tying Kendrick music and meaning to his own past, which is something that was done a lot in the 90s, but very little from the 2010's and on.
Everyone said what needed to be said. Top notch album hands down! 💕🔥 it’s the growth and creativity for me 🫡
Wonderful AF🎉❤❤
I LOVE THE 6 W’s
I like how WOLF GETS OVERLOOKED
I value emotional impact in an artist just as much as the music/sound. Cole is a more effective artist than tyler in terms of making you feel something/effecting you mentally through their music. Yes tylers albums are experimental and filled with exotic sounds and many genre elements etc etc. But i dont feel anything when listening to his music. It doesnt move you and will be void of nostalgia in 10 to 12 years. And this is just as big a reason why cole is a part of the big 3 as other common reasons.
I think drake should be pushed out of the top three before j Cole
5:58 childish gambino. Slightly less productive, but equally diverse. I’m a huge fan of Tyler similar to millions of others, you make it sound like no one’s giving him his due. its more case of him just not being in the same lane as other mainstream rappers-which is another point you’re making
Comparing artists like Tyler, The Creator and J. Cole oversimplifies the diverse landscapes they each navigate. While charts can hint at audience preferences, they don’t reflect the vastly different audiences and artistic goals these artists have. Tyler’s introspective, genre-bending evolution targets a distinct crowd that values boundary-pushing creativity, while J. Cole’s grounded, storytelling approach resonates deeply with his core fans. Art is personal, and every artist holds a unique place for their audience.