It's all about attempting to achieve Zen in honing Bro, it's something I aspire to achieve daily, I know you do too. When you let yourself get past the bullshit, honing by numbers, linear grit thinking, contrived microscope photos, stamp scumbaggery and general internet buffoonery things really start to come together. Honing at a sensory level is the first step, second to letting yourself get out of your own way. Great video!
Thank you! Yeah, that stone is a looker for sure. Thanks for the feedback on the POV thing, I wasn't sure at first and even after the edit either - but so far it seems that people liked it!
Definitely using diamond plate to lap your razor stones is the way to go. I made the big mistake of using sandpaper stuck on glass to flatten one of my razor stones as was suggested by a supposed authority. It's an inexpensive way to lap stones for carpentry tools but not for straight razors. As the sandpaper wore, particles ended up embedding in the stone, to my dismay my 4k stone now had 220 grit stuck in it. Thanks for showing the proper way to lap razor stones.
Thank you for watching and commenting. A good diamond plate is worth it's weight in gold, can't beat it for lapping stones. W/D paper can be do-able but a diamond plate makes life so much better with way fewer laibilities.
Happy T'day Jason. The holiday was good, I'm very thankful for so many things, including your kind words about the video, and it felt nice to reflect on all of that. Thank you.
I use a broken-in Atoma 400x for most of my lapping, 12k synthetics included. When the plate is new, it will be more aggressive and it may leave marks. If needed those scratches can be removed with finer grade w/d sandpaper.
Man i am OCD as hell. I wanted my stones 'dead flat' , but i never can get them 💯 there. I measure with a precision straight edge and feeler gauge, and a good light source 😂If i have heavy grunting i use sic (sic always puts a 3-4 thou crown in the stone) then finish on sandpaper (or a DMT or atomo) on a dead at surface . What's your trick to getting so dead nuts flat? Mike
@@KeithVJohnson1 Maybe all diamond plates aren't the same??! It really doesn't matter (in my mind it does:) if they're dead flat to NASA standards, just close enough to flat that you're getting even hit on all the bevel i guess. Most razors are probably off more than my .002 stones specs.
By doing the best we can, we eliminate or minimize the effects of variables that can have a negative impact, or just leave doubt in the back of our minds.
Depends on what sort of stone you are talking about. If Jnat, then you really don't need to use abraisive powders on a plate. Plus, SIC can embed into stones like shale, and slate - so it's really not recommended. Better to just use w/d paper or a diamond plate.
Thanks for showing us. 2 of mine atoma140 are not flat anymore after 2-3 years useage. It's the double side tape thingy. So mine stones are not perfect flat. Really the shapton diamond lapping plate is the only choice to me. I've gone thru 6 atomas they are good for what they are good for but not good for lapping... my humble opinion.. Andrew
FWIW - I don't use the 140x Atoma for absolut flattening, they're just for removing a lot of material quickly. The 400x does the 1st line of what I call 'real' flattening. I lap way more stone than most people I know, and most of what I lap are very hard stones. My oldest 400x Atoma is still flat and my hones come off that plate exceedingly flat. All of my hones are drop-dead flat and I gauge that flatness with a Starrett straight edge that I swap out every year or two. IMO - that shapton diamond plate is a complete rip off, even at 1/2 the price. It's not flatter out of the box, it's not going to wear longer either.
hi Keith, thanks for the info. my problem with atoma is the double-sided tape they use. over the time some portion of 3 strips tape might come loose or lifted, then the top will be out of alignment at least this was like that in my case.. but i still went back to and get some new atoma plates. between the lack of flatness and lack of maintaining of cutting power i choose atoma over dmt. cheers Andrew
Xtol Ren I see zero issues with the two-sided tape on Atoma plates, and that's after extremely heavy use over long periods of time. Perhaps you're using them incorrectly: Lapping under hot water and/or using too much pressure can/will cause what you are describing. Or maybe you got defective plates? Could be anything I suppose. I do agree that they are better than DMTs.
Depends on several variables; not every razor and/or edge will yield the same # of shaves for everyone. Plus - I hone because I like to so I never get that far along on any edge.
I don t wear gloves when I hone. But, the video is over 2 yr old, so I don't remember everything that was said, verbatim - but, I'd assume that I was probably making a joke about something or someone.
Beats television, any day of the year!
Awesome comment! Thank you very much!
It's all about attempting to achieve Zen in honing Bro, it's something I aspire to achieve daily, I know you do too. When you let yourself get past the bullshit, honing by numbers, linear grit thinking, contrived microscope photos, stamp scumbaggery and general internet buffoonery things really start to come together. Honing at a sensory level is the first step, second to letting yourself get out of your own way. Great video!
Cool - thanks for the great comment! Keep comin' back!
Yet another delightfully interesting and informative video, Keith. Thanks.
Thanks for watching and commenting James, much appreciated.
Thanks for the informative video Keith. Always learn something from watching.
You're welcome and thank you for stopping by and watching!
Great as always. Learn something new every time!
Thank you very much for the kind words!
another great and informative video, Keith, thanks!
Thank you for stopping by, checking out the vid and posting nice feedback!
That is an awesome looking stone! The POV is great also!
Thank you! Yeah, that stone is a looker for sure. Thanks for the feedback on the POV thing, I wasn't sure at first and even after the edit either - but so far it seems that people liked it!
Definitely using diamond plate to lap your razor stones is the way to go. I made the big mistake of using sandpaper stuck on glass to flatten one of my razor stones as was suggested by a supposed authority. It's an inexpensive way to lap stones for carpentry tools but not for straight razors. As the sandpaper wore, particles ended up embedding in the stone, to my dismay my 4k stone now had 220 grit stuck in it. Thanks for showing the proper way to lap razor stones.
Thank you for watching and commenting. A good diamond plate is worth it's weight in gold, can't beat it for lapping stones. W/D paper can be do-able but a diamond plate makes life so much better with way fewer laibilities.
Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving Keith. Always a pleasure to watch and learn.
Happy T'day Jason. The holiday was good, I'm very thankful for so many things, including your kind words about the video, and it felt nice to reflect on all of that. Thank you.
absolute beauty Keith love the vids
Thanks Johnny, always good to hear from you, thank you for watching and your support too!
Another terrific one, Keith. Lots of pearls in every video you do. Very good POV here, by the way.
Hey Doc, thank you! I appreciate the feedback - tremendously - Happy New Year!
Very good lessons!... 👍
Thank you!
That was awesome!
Thank you so much, really glad you liked it!
can this atoma plates be used ok with shapton pro stones? even the 12k
I use a broken-in Atoma 400x for most of my lapping, 12k synthetics included. When the plate is new, it will be more aggressive and it may leave marks. If needed those scratches can be removed with finer grade w/d sandpaper.
Man i am OCD as hell. I wanted my stones 'dead flat' , but i never can
get them 💯 there. I measure with a precision straight edge and feeler gauge, and a good light source 😂If i have heavy grunting i use sic (sic always puts a 3-4 thou crown in the stone) then finish on sandpaper (or a DMT or atomo) on a dead at surface . What's your trick to getting so dead nuts flat?
Mike
I lap with a diamond plate under running water, use minimal pressure, check with Starrett straight edge, pay attention, etc.
@@KeithVJohnson1 Maybe all diamond plates aren't the same??! It really doesn't matter (in my mind it does:) if they're dead flat to NASA standards, just close enough to flat that you're getting even hit on all the bevel i guess. Most razors are probably off more than my .002 stones specs.
By doing the best we can, we eliminate or minimize the effects of variables that can have a negative impact, or just leave doubt in the back of our minds.
@@KeithVJohnson1 I agree 💯
Quick question. Sic powder and glass plate ? Or no way ? I use it on my arks
Thanks very much
Regards david
Depends on what sort of stone you are talking about. If Jnat, then you really don't need to use abraisive powders on a plate. Plus, SIC can embed into stones like shale, and slate - so it's really not recommended. Better to just use w/d paper or a diamond plate.
Very good sir yes it’s on a nice jnat so I don’t want to damage it.
Thank you very much for the fast response and the education
Best regards
David
sound is way better than past!
Thnx - the external mic helps a lot and I made some changes in the editing software also.
Where did u get the rubber mat? What is the material called? tx
I sell the rubber pads in my TomoNagura Etsy store.
Thanks for showing us.
2 of mine atoma140 are not flat anymore after 2-3 years useage. It's the double side tape thingy. So mine stones are not perfect flat. Really the shapton diamond lapping plate is the only choice to me. I've gone thru 6 atomas they are good for what they are good for but not good for lapping... my humble opinion.. Andrew
FWIW - I don't use the 140x Atoma for absolut flattening, they're just for removing a lot of material quickly.
The 400x does the 1st line of what I call 'real' flattening.
I lap way more stone than most people I know, and most of what I lap are very hard stones. My oldest 400x Atoma is still flat and my hones come off that plate exceedingly flat. All of my hones are drop-dead flat and I gauge that flatness with a Starrett straight edge that I swap out every year or two.
IMO - that shapton diamond plate is a complete rip off, even at 1/2 the price. It's not flatter out of the box, it's not going to wear longer either.
hi Keith, thanks for the info.
my problem with atoma is the double-sided tape they use. over the time some portion of 3 strips tape might come loose or lifted, then the top will be out of alignment at least this was like that in my case.. but i still went back to and get some new atoma plates. between the lack of flatness and lack of maintaining of cutting power i choose atoma over dmt.
cheers
Andrew
Xtol Ren I see zero issues with the two-sided tape on Atoma plates, and that's after extremely heavy use over long periods of time. Perhaps you're using them incorrectly: Lapping under hot water and/or using too much pressure can/will cause what you are describing. Or maybe you got defective plates? Could be anything I suppose. I do agree that they are better than DMTs.
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How many shaves before you have to hone that razor again?
Depends on several variables; not every razor and/or edge will yield the same # of shaves for everyone. Plus - I hone because I like to so I never get that far along on any edge.
Why use gloves?
I am not sure what you are referring to.
You said that you skipped gloves, why use them in the first place?
I don t wear gloves when I hone. But, the video is over 2 yr old, so I don't remember everything that was said, verbatim - but, I'd assume that I was probably making a joke about something or someone.