"I was catfished and then got jumped, robbed, and sexually violated in the Novice Network. But overall people provided some useful advice. So I give it a solid 8/10" - IGN
I also think there could be some fixes to the Mentor System: - Include in the offense reports an option that says "Conduct Unbecoming of a Mentor". Its punishment should be the temporary or permanent removal of mentor status. - Get rid of the Crown icon, or change it to a water can.
the watercan wouldn’t help. It’s still a cool status symbol, if somewhat less “pretty”. My suggestion instead is that only sprouts/returners/other mentors can see it.
Actually all they should do is take away the mentor mount if they have it, and if they don't remove their status so they can never receive it. Extreme consequences will get them to behave.
They should change real Mentors to Watering Cans, and change the current Mentors to just be "experienced" and keep the Icon! or maybe to get watering can you need to be a Mentor in all classes and you get a Watering Can with the Crown on it? doubt this would ever happen though..
17:41 "Don't worry, just invite me to your party and I'll watch you from afar..." Me: My god, what kind of female character are they following around? *Sees Male Aura* Me being an Male Aura: Alright boys I'm out. *Double locking all windows and doors.*
The most funniest part about that, asmon and chat assumed it a chick that the story was referring to. When I saw that it was a male character, the look of chat just me laugh really loud. The one that got me was a chatter that yelled "WAIT IT WAS A DUDE?!"
There are a lot of people who are obsessed with male Au Ra. My boyfriend plays one and ran into two girls in limsa who were following him around and talking about how hot he was. I invited them both to our in game wedding to see what they would do about it lmao. One of them actually showed up but the other one left him alone afterwards.
@@paulogaspar8295 it's almost like blizzards fucked up for years and had a massive disgusting revelation recently showing the company allows absolute gutter level people to roam free in the office to the point that one employee killed themselves. Blizzard is in the mainstream in every sense but a good one nowadays and you're reacting as if they're only bringing up long dealt with things from years ago and that blizzard has no current scandals
I'm fairly casual so I don't meet the requirements to be a mentor, but when I do a duty with new players I make sure to explain any thing that they need to pay attention to. For example yesterday I explained all the mechanics of World of Darkness because over half the raid was new.
Im a mentor and i looooove helping new people its like seeing your kids doing very fine when you explain the fight after 2 to 3 wipes just to gives them the experiance before explaining but most of mentors there makes me sick so i took my crown down 😑😥 but still helping 👍
The only mentor experience I had was on Ramuh extreme. They were a tank and I was a healer, I had watched a brief guide and asked if we had to soak surplus orbs after tanks have what they need. They called me an idiot. after a couple of wipes and way too much damage from thunderstorms because no one was soaking orbs. They said they were tired and left, we had about 40 mins to go.
@@blodhgarm7854 only hope is to either send a tell to someone with a crown next to their name as that signifies a mentor, or randomly get invited by a mentor that is throwing them out.
@@blodhgarm7854 you can /shout in any major hub like limsa or new gridiania just explain your new and need some help and 90% of time theres usually someone who will help. Or you could look for players with the 👑crown icon these are mentors which can help you. It is postive majority of the time and dont be scared to reach out ^-^ if you do ever come across any rude ppl, just blacklist and dont listen to them losers 😊
I'm from NZ and play on a JP data centre, my experience could not be more the opposite with the Novice Network. Super helpful for new/returning players, and when there is chat its very tame and decent to read, KKona chat is bussin.
The sad thing is, I think remember seeing bits of the abusive sprout situation on Midgardsormr, and not only was it absolutely unacceptable in and of itself, the mentors they were harassing were generally quite helpful and caring and had really helped make the novice network one of the better ones. Is it so hard to let people just do their damn jobs without targeting them, in a video game no less?
Just remove the network itself, give sprouts a button they can press in game whenever they need help and a 1 on 1 mentor chat will pop up where the mentor will help them, like the old GM system in WOW or like Bestbuy chat lmao. There would still be weirdo mentors but at least the majority of them would sign up to help sprouts. Also, at the end of the chat, sprouts can rate the mentors. I think this would be a good design.
I was invited to the NN when I returned after a multi-year hiatus and had a generally positive experience. But there definitely were moments of flame wars and inflated egos to deal with.
I am in Tonberry server and have been on and off playing more times than I can count getting thrown back into Novice Network each and everytime. I can 100% confirm that statement is correct. It has always been so friendly everytime it's unreal!
I joined NN yesterday on faerie server, the mentors here are really helpful and chat is ok, specially that one time when it was derailed when people started typing weird food combinations. Overall, pretty good, even learned about FC.
Novice Network actively made me start to despise ppl that wear the crown out in public, after seeing so many not just dumb but straight up toxic trade mentors (as the requirement for it is especially low) I just left even though I used to help sprouts a lot while lvling an alt.
How very curious! My experiences are different. I find that the trade mentors on my server tend to be the more knowledgeable ones. The PvE mentors also tend to be not awful, even good at the game sometimes (not always, but sometimes!). It's specifically the ones that wear the full crown that are awful. If they have the hammer, then they probably don't care about the prestige of the full crown. If they have the sword, they probably care more about actually doing good than the prestige since it makes their crown smaller. But the full crown? "Ooooh, big shiny crown me want." It's the most flauntable one, and thus people that have the ego go for that.
in FF11 there's a system for rating mentors that you interact with. This in addition to the volume of content the mentor has completed then reflects on the "mastery level" and type of chat icon that mentor has, with the icon ranging from a bronze, silver, and gold flag. I think something similar in XIV would be an effective way of encouraging mentors to not just bum around in NN and give poor advice and instead attempt to complete more challenging content, become more knowledgeable, and be more constructive and useful towards other players.
Hahaha!!!! Imagine coming back to your character after having been AFK for a while and there's a circle of people around you gossiping about you. So weird!
A day in the life of Bug Boy. There's this Lalafel on Zalera named Bug Boy that sleeps in Limsa Plaza every single day without pause, for like 10+ months straight. And everyone has become so used to his presence that it has sort of become a community ritual to visit Bug Boy. So every day that I log in, there's always about 20+ people surrounding Bug Boy. I can't imagine what his player's game looks like all day lmao.
I find it hilarious that content creator vids come out and then you watch it. The next day or two then you watch the entire vid again from Asmon's reaction. What a great way to make easy content for streaming without playing the game.
I only found out about Zepla through these videos, and im super happy i did! Same thing has happened with other content creators i follow outside of gaming. And i dont really consider this to be easy content to do, not only for the live commentary and community interaction, but also cos it implies researching/knowing and keeping up with other creators, whilst also doing other type of content himself.
I think it's more about displaying and promoting others creators with good content, he could keep it on Twitch only otherwise. Personally I learned and subscribed to Josh Strife and KiraTV from Asmon reactions posted here. Sure Asmongold get some views too, but the impact is much greater for most of the original content creator. Speaking of Josh Strife he did a recent video about breaking 200k subs and the obvious importance of being displayed here.
That's why Asmon lasted so long in WoW, he literally watches videos for 90% of the stream and does a couple of mount runs and that's the average Asmon Wow stream.
@@halmyrach no, no it isn't. Asmongold isn't a humble hero of the people or whatever, he's not here to defend the weak and oppressed, he's just a guy. He watches videos because his viewers ask him to, and sometimes he does it just cuz he wants. That's literally it, it has nothing to do with "helping the little man" or whatever.
@@joshuagrahamtheburnedman1814 I don't see anywhere in my message something even close to what you are mentioning. Of course he watches stuff his viewers are receptive to, and publishing it on YT also give him some views. But my point is that the OP implied that it's a easy content for Asmon only, while it's clearly not true, the original smaller content creators benefits from it in a big way too.
Cactuar's Novice Network back in Heavensward & Stormblood was great, actually. There was definitely some general chatting, but it wasn't toxic or combative. Questions got answered, people were nice, I often saw mentors offering free crafting/items to sprouts that needed them, or offering their time in a dungeon, etc. But since Shadowbringers and the server becoming the 2nd or 3rd most popular server on NA, it's done a complete 180. Really sucks to see, cause I want to offer help to sprouts, which I do when they ask in dungeons and stuff but wading through the Barrens chat to do it is tough.
As a sprout I've not dared go into the Novice Network, but all the mentors I have crossed casually have been kind and understanding. Shame that when you put them all together in a bubble you see the assholes pop up a lot.
I love these types of ffxiv videos. Shows the side of ffxiv community, not many people want to talk about because it breaks the image of "ffxiv is super wholesome and nice".
@@Awooe111 That's literally any MMO though. Same thing in WoW, with the bigger problem being that pugging is even more blatant with that behavior because there is no enforced moderation.
FFXIV players: Those WoW players and their toxic trade chat! It's a good thing we don't have something as vile as that! Meanwhile, in the novice network...
@@Longlius Ive yet to see people string together racial slurs in novice network, calling everyone under the sun the n word, f--s, and all like they do in trade chat.
The number of male friends I've had who, out of NOWHERE, suddenly decide that we're a couple, without ever asking me how I feel about that, has been mind-blowing. What is that? I mean, I know some girls who fixate on a guy and follow them around like love struck puppies, when it's obvious they aren't interested. It's all baffling.
I'm a mentor and I don't use the network, I just answer questions if someone ask and let people know I'm open to try and help. I don't give advice unless its clear they are struggling and most of the time they ask me first. Honestly using basic teaching strats like never say "why didn't you." say "try doing". Who knew being a TA would have relevance in my life.
I have all female characters with female names on XIV, I dont get harassed, violated or attacked or have every move I make every step I take having someone watching me. I actively help people, do dungeons/trials with random sprouts and answer any question I know the answer to. makes me wonder what you are actually doing since I do the exact same things other people purport to do and get none of the treatment they claim to get. I got that shit in WoW though, I had people give me presents all the time and flirt with me. Even had two low level tauren follow me all over the tauren starter zone while I was helping my uncle level his new druid on my server. had them whispering me and asking me to be their girlfriend. really weird but then again WoW has the Cosby Suite, so thats par for the course.
The Tonberry novice network being chatty, can say that is absolutely true. I'm from elemental Atomos and going to Tonberry you can see your /say chat filling with hundreds of random convos and crafting items being completed before your novice network start filling up like twitch stream on hype train.
@@orik48 Honestly it's something like a low level world chat. You get good and bad people in there some good advice and some bad advice. It feels more like a place for new players to chat with people before making friends and joining an FC. Some people just end up taking it too seriously here and there.
Yeah I got spoiled in the NN Worse thing was when I read the NN and a dude said "Oh yeah it was so said when [Heavensward spoiler] happens at the Vault"... as I was queuing to do it
NN seems to vary from server to server. When I was just returning and went into Omega's NN it was nothing but helpful, yes there was non-game chat but if you asked a question they'd answer you fairly promptly and with good information. I understand the need to incentivise people to become mentors but I think that making a mount the reward for doing a set number of mentor roulettes was the wrong decision.
I've only ever seen ERP mistells in there, never actually using it for that. On Zalera, there's usually not too much drama from what I've seen. There's a fair bit of really dumb, bad information though. Such as someone trying to tell players that BLM and SAM offer party support because they have Feint and Addle, when the entire point of the conversation was to compare them with others within the same role. Yes, SAM has feint. But so does literally everything else. If you don't factor in the buttons *everyone* has, then they offer nothing while other classes offer things to the party. That's not to say they're not useful, that was never the point. The point was a sprout asked for job recommendations that have a lot of party buff and support options. Two mentors (SAM mains, go figure) were trying to insist SAM is a good support to the party. It was astounding. If you want to get technical and say they do have a support ability, fine, but if you have to strip the entire context of the question away just to preach about your favorite job because it not being what someone else wants is hurting your ego too much, maybe just stop talking. I wonder how many chicken nuggets they bought when they went to get their crown. Also that "Anyone that cares about the story will have already done it" bit is bullshit. It's. Novice. Network. You literally *lose* the novice status when you reach Shadowbringers unless you boosted through the story. If they're in there, then there's a good chance they're not there yet! It's literally a chat meant for people that are still new! What the hell backwards logic is that.
I've been a mentor in WoW Classic. I met a lvl 19 warrior in westfall, teamed up and realized he didn't use his shouts. I asked him if he bought them and soon realized he didn't buy any abilities and wasn't even aware of the existence of class trainers. I was impressed by his dedication, reaching lvl 19 without any abilities seemed rough to me. So I took some time to teach him a few things. Turned out te be one of the best friends I've had online.
Zepla ♡ I didn't know her before your ffxiv streams. Super cool colab and content, I wish both of you a lot of new subscribers. So glad seeing Asmon having big duck fun! 🌵
I'd never use this network thing, I can just google everything I want to know, plus if you're a halfway experienced MMO player, or gamer in general, you'll find most of the stuff on your own.
I just started FFXIV as a sprout a few weeks ago, and I think the community is cool for the most part but... there are definitely weirdos. My friend was showing me around once, and a random guy came up to the two of us and said "you ladies are looking wonderful today". Before that a random RP-er was emoting at me and my friend was like "We might want to move on. This guy is trying to solicite something, I think." We both play female Miquo'tes... and are both big, 30 year old dudes irl. It's definitely been interesting to say the least.
I've only had good experiences with mentors so far. I still remember one particular mentor who helped me with macros and tanking in general while we were doing Ramuh extreme. Tim Hortons you're great man keep it up.
Don't even see the need for the NN. So far in every dungeon or boss fight, if we did die to some mechanic we didn't know, there was ALWAYS some guy that knew the mechanics and simply explained what we needed to know. Everyone was happy about the advice and we usually beat the dungeon/boss right after. Everyone said gg and all was fine with the world. No feet pic requests so far either. Fixing it is rather simple. Make guidelines the mentors need to adhere to or they get permabanned from mentoring and can never reapply again. Being a mentor is not a right, so weed out the trash. Don't have rewards or, if you have them, make them dependend on sprout feedback. E.g. sprouts rate you and you have to get a specific amount and ratio of positive ratings.
Most of the stuff Zepla talked about is harmless, but my friend make only male characters and has male names in Steam, Discord, everywhere, because she doesn't want to be bothered.
tbh im a mentor and have invited a few people in, but the issue is is that there is a cap of how many can be active in it at a time, so often I cant get in myself with the max capacity notice. Sooo i pretty much am in it if any one needs to reach out but i generally dont chat in it too often
I was in there for a while as a "Returner". Wasn't a bad experience. Mostly. There was one guy in there who liked to "stir the pot" a lot and the Mentors liked to ban that person before they even did anything quite often. Honestly, I ended up providing more help to the sprouts than many of the actual Mentors did. The only stuff I couldn't help with was duties I didn't yet have access to. I provided a lot of free stuff as well as advice on how to change the UI and how to go about leveling up quickly as well as other stuff. I think I even provided the "pre-requisite" items for Relics 3 or 4 times (for free) to players who wanted to start the Relic Questline. Even affixed the Materia for them. I think the issue with the Novice Network is simply that the Mentors in it aren't really willing to "help" anyone. If someone asks to run something unsync'd, they'll go along. But, if you ask them for help doing nearly anything else... or obtaining anything else... yeah, good luck getting help. I would like to get into the NN just to provide more help. I had a lot of fun answering noob questions, helping people run dungeons, and providing crafted items to players who couldn't make them. But, the uh... requirements are a bit steep for casual players.
They really do need to drop the novice network and mentor system. I always say they should turn that mentor roulette into an “all content roulette” which gives you the possibility of all content you unlocked in the game, (besides savage and ultimates) and tie the reward mount to that. Then make mentors have a watering can icon only visible to sprouts and have that system be opt in for people that want it and quite possibly have information for sprouts to know about mentors.
Back in Stormblood, the Adamantoise novice network used to actually be cool. The philosophy behind it was that people would be chatting and talking. All spoilers were prohibited, and whenever anyone asked a question, everyone stopped conversation to help answer it. We helped sprouts/returners do dungeons, we helped ferry people where they needed to go. I dropped things on multiple occasions to go and help someone find an area, or gather aether currents, or finish a quest. It was fun. But after shb, when I lost mentor due to comms, I just decided that I wasn't gonna care about it anymore. I wish it was done better
I go into extreme fights and take time to explain all the mechanics to new people every single time, and I'm also still a sprout. The few times I've seen mentors there, they've seemed like they're just sick and tired of explaining things to people and get frustrated. I kind of get it, though, especially when you have people who wipe on the same mechanic every single time even though they fully understand how it works. It's like, maybe there's some people who just don't have the ability to react quickly enough for certain fights.
I'm actually a sprout now, being invited to some novice network on Light-Odin and crowned guys there were actually helpful and answering people about all kinds of things they asked about story, crafting, classes and mechanics. So, i have very subjective good impression about it
8:20 I actually had the opposite experience last night on FFXIV. I was doing a story quest dungeon and was watching the cutscene before the boss but I heard screeching; I was worried they were doing the boss without me, I started skimming the dialogue as quickly as I could. When I got out of the cutscene the boss was already dead, the rest of the group had left, and I did not even get a chance to look at the loot (which was surprising since the cutscene was not long). I am upset I did not get to fight the boss but also feel like a bad party member for not skipping the cutscene.
Don't feel bad about watching the cutscene, most people wait, sometimes it just comes down to an impatient tank. If the chest wasn't there and you saw no loot, it auto gave you all the loot since everyone else left
I play now since last week and i have to say there was no mentor interaction, and i think im good without them. But on the other hand there are random players help without asking cause they see you dont know what to do so just have fun and try to help. Peace!
I have had a great experience in NN personally. They always answer questions I have or try to help and there's usually some random chat going on if you want to join in and talk to someone.
This system could work if they increased the standards to be a mentor. Like for example if a mentor is shown to be toxic or negative in general they can lose their title and progress toward the rewards.
I played in CN server couple years ago, back then the novice network is super active, super friendly, and non stop constructive advices. Every new player got invited instantly as soon as someone can sees them. Every question will get answered almost instantly, dont know if it is still the same now. *I am in Typhon, never got invited into the channel, now all lv60, with some lv80, sitting at the doorstep to SHB, never once did I recieve invite.
I used to have mentor status, and I turned it off after less than a week of just LOOKING at the network. I don't mind that I don't meet the requirements anymore. I just hang out in my FC and Linkshells anymore.
Fortunately there two mentor statuses (Combat and Crafter/Gatherer). I became an omnicrafter (all gatherers and crafters at lvl 80) before I decided to strive for Mentor status and I did it because it gives party members an exp boost if they're below a certain level on their crafters and gatherers; a bunch of my friends were low level and just starting out crafting so I wanted to help them with that, boost them to lvl 20, and afterwards they could level however they wanted to (completing class quests, working through Ishgard restoration, farming shit in Diadem, or just by making stuff in their crafting logs). I really don't get why some players (Combat Mentors, cough cough) work towards a leadership-type role just for "rewards" and don't do shit with it regarding newer players. They are being assholes while the rest of us just wanna enjoy the game lool
I was just a mentor before, but when i started noticing sudden weird change on players, i stopped using NN and changed to trade mentor complitely ^^'' things started to get way too out of the place for me to continue that way, not to mention im just not looking forward working towards the mount anymore either :/
I honestly think if SE added a server chat, that would alleviate some of the "just chatter" people. Removing rewards would get rid of the rest. And with that NN would be in a much better state.
I just started playing and died near my msq. I shouted to ask if anyone could res me before I had to go through all that traveling again. some randome person ran up, resd me, and i saw them get an achievement for it... I was the first person they did this for lol... I often wonder if they knew they would get the achievement or if it was an organic surprise to both of us. Either way I thought it was cool. I haven't checked out the novice network, but after I commented on someone's glamour we became friends and we did my first couple dungeons together. We were in discord and it was pretty legitimately a great first random friend experience. I'm now in their FC and Fellowship.
I'm on midgard and I think I know which sprout they're talking about... We've also had mentors that ban sprouts just for using phrases they don't like. Not insulting phrases, or derogatory phrases, literally for something like 'completely and utterly'.
I used to play Lord of the Rings Online. I intentionally created a human Loremaster and kept him in the Archet introduction area where new players go after completing the solo introduction. I'd watch brand new players struggling with their early experiences, and would jump in and offer support if it looked like a fight was going badly for them. I was in-character as a traveling scholar who quickly realized that dark times were coming, and that it would be the common folk who would have to rise up to face it. It was my goal to help new adventures take their first steps on their great journey. I'd stick with them through the archet introductory quest, and would tell them to keep their wits about them in the battle to come, and should they survive, to get word to my main character, who would surely help them continue their journey. I'd then take myleave, the player would do the battle of Archet event, and then join the full multiplayer part of the server. For those not familiar, LotRO eased you into the multiplayer aspect. Your first step was entirely solo as you learned basic controls and how to interact with the environment. Each race had its own solo introduction. The next step had a storyline that connected two of the four playable races. There was one fore Hobbits and Humans, and another for Elves and Dwarves. After that, all four races could interact. I had planned to create and elvish loremaster for the other branch, but never got around to it. I only stopped playing that game because my PC crashed, and I couldn't afford a new gaming rig to replace it, and what I got never would run it... I've got more than enough machine to handle it now, and since it's free to play, I may have to jump back into it, and see if mentoring new characters is worth the time it used to be. I wanted to form a fellowship that was dedicated to helping out other players in various regions. The game's title system would reflect an area of focus. I was going to make my main embrace his "Watcher of Roads" title and actually make back-and forth journeys between settlements, always walking, unless he joined a group. But my unplanned hiatus from the game cut those plans short. But I was going to require that anyone who joined actually earned the title for the role they wanted to play in the fellowship. It would have been about roleplay as much as guiding lower-level players. My loremaster was actually several levels higher than a typical new player in Archet would reach. I wanted him to be a Gandalf of a sort. A clearly powerful individual that could keep his charges alive and make sure they succeed. Anyway, I'm rambling. Sorry. Listening to stories of mentors, even abismal ones like this video presents, awakened my sense of nostalgia... I think I'll go play LotRO again for a bit... Peace!
novice network was great on elemental (tonberry). i would have delayed going into SHB if i knew it would disappear. So much shout out for S ranks, A ranks etc. intro into ocean fishing. honestly it was pretty good. Not wrong that there can also be a bunch of random chat but u can just ignore the not important stuff. But NA is NA lol.. cant blame most of them of having brain damage i guess?
Other elemental servers like Ramuh and Carbuncle also very helpful. Much quieter than Tonberry of course but whenever there's question, there'll be mentors answer. Wonder why NN is such a success in JP but not other DCs.
@@NessieNice i think its because its a japanese server and the English players need to adapt to the culture there. Also being in the minority, a sane person would not want to be black listed or have a bad reputation.
@@tooox8604 yeah, but Tonberry has been English majority since realm reborn. Quite agree with OP, even English speakers in Tonberry and Kujata (2nd English majority in Elemental) think majority of NA players are a joke in human decency area.
Exodus' NN is one of the most helpful communities I've ever seen in any game, there's the occasional fight or toxicity but the mentors stop that shit real fast and anyone who spoils anything is immediately kicked it's very strict on that. I have had nothing but good experiences with NN in my server
I am a mentor. Joined the status of others to actually assist other players. To be honest I got lucky with Coeurl. We actually have NN rules such as no MSQ spoilers and genuinely help players. There is some holier-than-thou attitudes amongst our mentor ranks, but most of our mentors do actually enjoy helping newer players. Sometimes we have even held games of hide-and-seek with prizes for sprouts. We do try to help Sprouts the best we can in Coeurl as it should be.
YES. Getting invited into the novice network is an absolute insult for me. If I can't figure out something, I have fc, youtube, and friends. Asking anyone else even with a sprout icon is only asking for an argument. I might as well ask a twitch chat and have people assume me to be a troll than ask novice network
I never farmed commendations, but I got hundreds of them while leveling my tank and the number went rough the roof when I started leveling AST. I don't plan to join Burger King gang, I just try to be helpful just because.
Wait wait wait, hol' the f up. I play on Zodiark and am currently in the NN due to coming back after a 2 years break. I haven't seen a single ERP there (though maybe they're doing this while I'm at work), but people are actually helping sprouts there. It's like a small friendly community within itself. My experience is quite different from that tweet.
People don't just openly ERP in the NN chat. That was without a doubt just a mistell. Which happens fairly often, though ERP ones specifically are quite rare.
I think you could solve this by having a feedback system. After helping someone they can leave a simple bullet check system 1-5 and maybe a 200 character or so text box. Get enough 1's and 2's and the devs may have to revoke your mentor status.
They should have gated the rewards behind commendations from players the mentors help. Like a mentors helps a player in the NN Chat, the player or others who had a similar question can commend the mentor for helping them in that regard. After 500 you get like a weapon transmog, after 1000 you get the mount or something.
NN in my server is mostly fine, genuinely helpful. Mentors in general aren't though. They are often the ones in a dungeon trying the least because they are just farming the mount. Like only spamming Cure 1 on the tank.
I was actually never invited to mentor chat on my main character. I made a side character later to start at level 1 with a friend and I was invited immediately. Same server.
As someone who still has the "Sprout" icon over my head, I've already learned that the only other icon over someone's head that I should respect is the cutscene filmstrip one.
Whatever wow does with newcomer chat worked for me, I didn't end up playing the game past lvl 60, but I asked questions probably a dozen times in newcomer chat and no one was ever rude and usually got an answer.
You remember those kids in high school that were somehow always with everyone between classes but were never in anyone's class. Those are the people in the Novice Network
"I was catfished and then got jumped, robbed, and sexually violated in the Novice Network. But overall people provided some useful advice. So I give it a solid 8/10" - IGN
Thats not the novice network, just Kugane.
You fool, IGN only gives out 7/10s 🙄🙄
7.8/10 Too much water
Good times , good times.
@@MenrvaS hahahahahah 😂😂😂😂
“These mentally ill, crazy individuals, are what really make mmos special.” I’m dying
until they are the ones typing in his chat and making him threaten to quit streaming LOL
We're all mentally ill, crazy individuals, otherwise we wouldn't be playing MMOs. 🤪
@@Wheatybic special doesn't necessarily mean its a good thing
@@CL-jq1xs there is a reason why they are called special kids.
True
I also think there could be some fixes to the Mentor System:
- Include in the offense reports an option that says "Conduct Unbecoming of a Mentor". Its punishment should be the temporary or permanent removal of mentor status.
- Get rid of the Crown icon, or change it to a water can.
agree!
- Employee a GM to overlook the network
Like seriously, you have the game pride itself on having active GMs, why not have some for the network
the watercan wouldn’t help. It’s still a cool status symbol, if somewhat less “pretty”. My suggestion instead is that only sprouts/returners/other mentors can see it.
You’re all nerds 😂 your parents should be ashamed
Actually all they should do is take away the mentor mount if they have it, and if they don't remove their status so they can never receive it. Extreme consequences will get them to behave.
I love the Watering Can idea. Its actually pretty cute and makes sense.
I'd sport that watering can hardcore
They should change real Mentors to Watering Cans, and change the current Mentors to just be "experienced" and keep the Icon!
or maybe to get watering can you need to be a Mentor in all classes and you get a Watering Can with the Crown on it?
doubt this would ever happen though..
More like fertilizer
@@absi1074 lool
17:41
"Don't worry, just invite me to your party and I'll watch you from afar..."
Me: My god, what kind of female character are they following around?
*Sees Male Aura*
Me being an Male Aura: Alright boys I'm out. *Double locking all windows and doors.*
The most funniest part about that, asmon and chat assumed it a chick that the story was referring to. When I saw that it was a male character, the look of chat just me laugh really loud. The one that got me was a chatter that yelled "WAIT IT WAS A DUDE?!"
I think my friend with a male miqote has received more harrassment than me with a female one, lol
That will only make him mad.
He will start banging on your window while watching you, screaming that Snape kills Dumbledore.
@@furanpyon i play a male roe and i get harassed CONSTANTLY. especially by lalafells.
There are a lot of people who are obsessed with male Au Ra. My boyfriend plays one and ran into two girls in limsa who were following him around and talking about how hot he was. I invited them both to our in game wedding to see what they would do about it lmao. One of them actually showed up but the other one left him alone afterwards.
Don’t blizzard devs play FF14? They moved the Cosby Suite to the Novice Network
You guys up for a cube crawl?
@@benjaminghazi787 Let me grab my Goon Suit
Do it for the coz
@@paulogaspar8295 Dont you have phones??????
@@paulogaspar8295 it's almost like blizzards fucked up for years and had a massive disgusting revelation recently showing the company allows absolute gutter level people to roam free in the office to the point that one employee killed themselves. Blizzard is in the mainstream in every sense but a good one nowadays and you're reacting as if they're only bringing up long dealt with things from years ago and that blizzard has no current scandals
GUYS. FF14 has had such a positive effect on Asmon that he is wearing a different shirt.
"I'll change my glamour for the stream"
Kripparian has a RUclips commenter who keeps track of how often he wears a shirt and when he last wore it. Asmon needs one of those XD
It's a transmog. He's still actually wearing the same shirt
So nerdy 🤦♂️ cringee
@@vanguard8471 ahh a cringe Andy
Not gonna lie, I’ve gotten more help from Party members and the general chat than the Network
I'm fairly casual so I don't meet the requirements to be a mentor, but when I do a duty with new players I make sure to explain any thing that they need to pay attention to. For example yesterday I explained all the mechanics of World of Darkness because over half the raid was new.
My free company helped me a lot, and random party members too!
The fc I ended up joining had been more help and filled with less weirdos than the NN
I dont even know if I'm in general chat and if there is one, it must not be used often.
Im a mentor and i looooove helping new people its like seeing your kids doing very fine when you explain the fight after 2 to 3 wipes just to gives them the experiance before explaining but most of mentors there makes me sick so i took my crown down 😑😥 but still helping 👍
The only mentor experience I had was on Ramuh extreme. They were a tank and I was a healer, I had watched a brief guide and asked if we had to soak surplus orbs after tanks have what they need. They called me an idiot. after a couple of wipes and way too much damage from thunderstorms because no one was soaking orbs. They said they were tired and left, we had about 40 mins to go.
Are there more of these Zepla dramatic readings available on the internet? Links plx.
My Mentor bought me clothes and showed me the sytems of the game. I had a good time and no wierd exp.
@@NerdlySquared true
Where do I find mentors? Level 27 and still don't have a clue what I'm doing...
@@blodhgarm7854 only hope is to either send a tell to someone with a crown next to their name as that signifies a mentor, or randomly get invited by a mentor that is throwing them out.
@@blodhgarm7854 I just talked to one.
@@blodhgarm7854 you can /shout in any major hub like limsa or new gridiania just explain your new and need some help and 90% of time theres usually someone who will help. Or you could look for players with the 👑crown icon these are mentors which can help you. It is postive majority of the time and dont be scared to reach out ^-^ if you do ever come across any rude ppl, just blacklist and dont listen to them losers 😊
I'm from NZ and play on a JP data centre, my experience could not be more the opposite with the Novice Network. Super helpful for new/returning players, and when there is chat its very tame and decent to read, KKona chat is bussin.
I'm waiting on the Oceanic servers too pop later this year, maybe I'll see you both around haha
OCE NN is so not helpful 😢 I left
The RUclips-friendly translation was the funniest thing I've heard all month
13:30 that rich joke aged well
hoo boy, aged like milk, that one.
The sad thing is, I think remember seeing bits of the abusive sprout situation on Midgardsormr, and not only was it absolutely unacceptable in and of itself, the mentors they were harassing were generally quite helpful and caring and had really helped make the novice network one of the better ones. Is it so hard to let people just do their damn jobs without targeting them, in a video game no less?
Zepla is kinda queen, no cap.
I kinda caught you in 4k, no cap.
No shit Sherlock
I'm simping too
It's just like real life. People aren't there to help you as a customer or student. They are there to get a paycheck or move up in their career.
"Down bad? "
"bro this guy is in the core of the earth!!"
im lost it laughing man lmao
Just remove the network itself, give sprouts a button they can press in game whenever they need help and a 1 on 1 mentor chat will pop up where the mentor will help them, like the old GM system in WOW or like Bestbuy chat lmao. There would still be weirdo mentors but at least the majority of them would sign up to help sprouts. Also, at the end of the chat, sprouts can rate the mentors. I think this would be a good design.
its like live support.
@@yurarara they should lol mentors are a joke
Damn, like best buy customer support, damn
The actual fix is just kill off mentorship and realize the best advice always comes in chat during the dungeons and raids.
Also the chat log can be kept and creepy mentors can be easily permabanned for harassing sprouts
Barrens chat lives in all of us, no matter what the game, place, time and even platform is.
My recent experience in the novice network wasn't anything like this. There were several players who always instantly answered people's questions.
I was invited to the NN when I returned after a multi-year hiatus and had a generally positive experience. But there definitely were moments of flame wars and inflated egos to deal with.
Honest I've completed all of eureka, my character looks like dead ass a whole snack. I feel a bit insulted seeing that sprout next to my name.
Damn you still have the sprout symbol?! How long does it last?
@@GrimAbstract 168 hours of /playtime AND completing shadowbringers as i recall.
You can turn off sprout from what I remember
I lost mine from the countless times I fell asleep online in the middle of gathering crystals.
/nastatus To get rid of the leaf 🍃 completely ingame
Ok Zepla and Asmon both saying “He waits” at the same time is kind of giving me life right now.
Source
Where at
@@fyecofi 4:15
They need to procreate ASAP
@@celtiberianwarrior3783 Cringe
I am in Tonberry server and have been on and off playing more times than I can count getting thrown back into Novice Network each and everytime. I can 100% confirm that statement is correct. It has always been so friendly everytime it's unreal!
I joined NN yesterday on faerie server, the mentors here are really helpful and chat is ok, specially that one time when it was derailed when people started typing weird food combinations. Overall, pretty good, even learned about FC.
Novice Network actively made me start to despise ppl that wear the crown out in public, after seeing so many not just dumb but straight up toxic trade mentors (as the requirement for it is especially low) I just left even though I used to help sprouts a lot while lvling an alt.
How very curious! My experiences are different. I find that the trade mentors on my server tend to be the more knowledgeable ones. The PvE mentors also tend to be not awful, even good at the game sometimes (not always, but sometimes!). It's specifically the ones that wear the full crown that are awful. If they have the hammer, then they probably don't care about the prestige of the full crown. If they have the sword, they probably care more about actually doing good than the prestige since it makes their crown smaller. But the full crown? "Ooooh, big shiny crown me want." It's the most flauntable one, and thus people that have the ego go for that.
Tonberry is honestly an amazing server, been there from the start as recommendation, so welcoming and helpful.
As a Tonberry player from start, I can attest that. JP data center is really different.
in FF11 there's a system for rating mentors that you interact with. This in addition to the volume of content the mentor has completed then reflects on the "mastery level" and type of chat icon that mentor has, with the icon ranging from a bronze, silver, and gold flag. I think something similar in XIV would be an effective way of encouraging mentors to not just bum around in NN and give poor advice and instead attempt to complete more challenging content, become more knowledgeable, and be more constructive and useful towards other players.
Hahaha!!!! Imagine coming back to your character after having been AFK for a while and there's a circle of people around you gossiping about you. So weird!
This happens to me IRL
@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God it does tend to happen when you pass out in public...
A day in the life of Bug Boy. There's this Lalafel on Zalera named Bug Boy that sleeps in Limsa Plaza every single day without pause, for like 10+ months straight. And everyone has become so used to his presence that it has sort of become a community ritual to visit Bug Boy. So every day that I log in, there's always about 20+ people surrounding Bug Boy. I can't imagine what his player's game looks like all day lmao.
@@tgr3423 Zalera wouldn't be the same without Speedo Nudist running around.
there should be feedback from the sprouts after each mentor session, that way they can gate the rewards behind mentors actually being helpful
I find it hilarious that content creator vids come out and then you watch it. The next day or two then you watch the entire vid again from Asmon's reaction. What a great way to make easy content for streaming without playing the game.
I only found out about Zepla through these videos, and im super happy i did! Same thing has happened with other content creators i follow outside of gaming.
And i dont really consider this to be easy content to do, not only for the live commentary and community interaction, but also cos it implies researching/knowing and keeping up with other creators, whilst also doing other type of content himself.
I think it's more about displaying and promoting others creators with good content, he could keep it on Twitch only otherwise.
Personally I learned and subscribed to Josh Strife and KiraTV from Asmon reactions posted here.
Sure Asmongold get some views too, but the impact is much greater for most of the original content creator.
Speaking of Josh Strife he did a recent video about breaking 200k subs and the obvious importance of being displayed here.
That's why Asmon lasted so long in WoW, he literally watches videos for 90% of the stream and does a couple of mount runs and that's the average Asmon Wow stream.
@@halmyrach no, no it isn't. Asmongold isn't a humble hero of the people or whatever, he's not here to defend the weak and oppressed, he's just a guy. He watches videos because his viewers ask him to, and sometimes he does it just cuz he wants. That's literally it, it has nothing to do with "helping the little man" or whatever.
@@joshuagrahamtheburnedman1814 I don't see anywhere in my message something even close to what you are mentioning.
Of course he watches stuff his viewers are receptive to, and publishing it on YT also give him some views.
But my point is that the OP implied that it's a easy content for Asmon only, while it's clearly not true, the original smaller content creators benefits from it in a big way too.
Cactuar's Novice Network back in Heavensward & Stormblood was great, actually. There was definitely some general chatting, but it wasn't toxic or combative. Questions got answered, people were nice, I often saw mentors offering free crafting/items to sprouts that needed them, or offering their time in a dungeon, etc. But since Shadowbringers and the server becoming the 2nd or 3rd most popular server on NA, it's done a complete 180. Really sucks to see, cause I want to offer help to sprouts, which I do when they ask in dungeons and stuff but wading through the Barrens chat to do it is tough.
As a sprout I've not dared go into the Novice Network, but all the mentors I have crossed casually have been kind and understanding. Shame that when you put them all together in a bubble you see the assholes pop up a lot.
I love these types of ffxiv videos. Shows the side of ffxiv community, not many people want to talk about because it breaks the image of "ffxiv is super wholesome and nice".
Yeah the only way FF14 is wholesome and nice is that the systems encourage it. MMOs are all filled to the brim with degeneracy.
Lol you want wholesome like I tell people 3 words “ limsa 3 am “ enough said if you know you know
Its wholesome when you’re playing with your friends, but toxic and disgusting with randoms
@@Awooe111 That's literally any MMO though. Same thing in WoW, with the bigger problem being that pugging is even more blatant with that behavior because there is no enforced moderation.
Turns out, when there's millions of people playing a game, there will be some weirdos.
Ill run Sastasha on purpose just to help new players with things like roles and mechanics (inb4 what mechanics Sastasha) and im not even a mentor
FFXIV players: Those WoW players and their toxic trade chat! It's a good thing we don't have something as vile as that!
Meanwhile, in the novice network...
I dunno man. I feel like even the worst NN convos I've seen have nothing on trade chat.
@@Longlius Ive yet to see people string together racial slurs in novice network, calling everyone under the sun the n word, f--s, and all like they do in trade chat.
On Tonberry myself, mentors were helpful and got me hooked on relic weapons :D
The number of male friends I've had who, out of NOWHERE, suddenly decide that we're a couple, without ever asking me how I feel about that, has been mind-blowing. What is that? I mean, I know some girls who fixate on a guy and follow them around like love struck puppies, when it's obvious they aren't interested. It's all baffling.
I'm a mentor and I don't use the network, I just answer questions if someone ask and let people know I'm open to try and help. I don't give advice unless its clear they are struggling and most of the time they ask me first. Honestly using basic teaching strats like never say "why didn't you." say "try doing". Who knew being a TA would have relevance in my life.
Is very vice to not offer your advice before people ask
'we gonna talk about the novice network'
Asmon: 'what the fuck is that'
The sprout doesnt know what the novice network is
That's because his Novice Network is chat.
Hasn't he been on permanent busy status? Nobody could invite him to it.
I laughed too hard at the "he's at the core of the earth" bit
I have all female characters with female names on XIV, I dont get harassed, violated or attacked or have every move I make every step I take having someone watching me. I actively help people, do dungeons/trials with random sprouts and answer any question I know the answer to. makes me wonder what you are actually doing since I do the exact same things other people purport to do and get none of the treatment they claim to get.
I got that shit in WoW though, I had people give me presents all the time and flirt with me. Even had two low level tauren follow me all over the tauren starter zone while I was helping my uncle level his new druid on my server. had them whispering me and asking me to be their girlfriend. really weird but then again WoW has the Cosby Suite, so thats par for the course.
I played a female human in classic and every time I logged in I had a mailbox full of simp presents when I made zero attempt to act like a female
2005 meme that still works according to anti-fraud companies
"Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump
The Tonberry novice network being chatty, can say that is absolutely true. I'm from elemental Atomos and going to Tonberry you can see your /say chat filling with hundreds of random convos and crafting items being completed before your novice network start filling up like twitch stream on hype train.
Lmao true. We're chatty, especially at night
When I tried out FFXIV I didn’t even know the novice network existed. I quit at level 50 and never heard of it until now.
Currently 56 and I have no idea how to join or even if I want to
@@orik48 Honestly it's something like a low level world chat. You get good and bad people in there some good advice and some bad advice. It feels more like a place for new players to chat with people before making friends and joining an FC. Some people just end up taking it too seriously here and there.
Yeah I got spoiled in the NN
Worse thing was when I read the NN and a dude said "Oh yeah it was so said when [Heavensward spoiler] happens at the Vault"... as I was queuing to do it
NN seems to vary from server to server. When I was just returning and went into Omega's NN it was nothing but helpful, yes there was non-game chat but if you asked a question they'd answer you fairly promptly and with good information.
I understand the need to incentivise people to become mentors but I think that making a mount the reward for doing a set number of mentor roulettes was the wrong decision.
I've only ever seen ERP mistells in there, never actually using it for that. On Zalera, there's usually not too much drama from what I've seen. There's a fair bit of really dumb, bad information though. Such as someone trying to tell players that BLM and SAM offer party support because they have Feint and Addle, when the entire point of the conversation was to compare them with others within the same role. Yes, SAM has feint. But so does literally everything else. If you don't factor in the buttons *everyone* has, then they offer nothing while other classes offer things to the party.
That's not to say they're not useful, that was never the point. The point was a sprout asked for job recommendations that have a lot of party buff and support options. Two mentors (SAM mains, go figure) were trying to insist SAM is a good support to the party. It was astounding. If you want to get technical and say they do have a support ability, fine, but if you have to strip the entire context of the question away just to preach about your favorite job because it not being what someone else wants is hurting your ego too much, maybe just stop talking. I wonder how many chicken nuggets they bought when they went to get their crown.
Also that "Anyone that cares about the story will have already done it" bit is bullshit. It's. Novice. Network. You literally *lose* the novice status when you reach Shadowbringers unless you boosted through the story. If they're in there, then there's a good chance they're not there yet! It's literally a chat meant for people that are still new! What the hell backwards logic is that.
I've been a mentor in WoW Classic. I met a lvl 19 warrior in westfall, teamed up and realized he didn't use his shouts. I asked him if he bought them and soon realized he didn't buy any abilities and wasn't even aware of the existence of class trainers. I was impressed by his dedication, reaching lvl 19 without any abilities seemed rough to me. So I took some time to teach him a few things. Turned out te be one of the best friends I've had online.
Zepla ♡ I didn't know her before your ffxiv streams. Super cool colab and content, I wish both of you a lot of new subscribers. So glad seeing Asmon having big duck fun! 🌵
I'd never use this network thing, I can just google everything I want to know, plus if you're a halfway experienced MMO player, or gamer in general, you'll find most of the stuff on your own.
I just started FFXIV as a sprout a few weeks ago, and I think the community is cool for the most part but... there are definitely weirdos.
My friend was showing me around once, and a random guy came up to the two of us and said "you ladies are looking wonderful today".
Before that a random RP-er was emoting at me and my friend was like "We might want to move on. This guy is trying to solicite something, I think."
We both play female Miquo'tes... and are both big, 30 year old dudes irl. It's definitely been interesting to say the least.
I've only had good experiences with mentors so far. I still remember one particular mentor who helped me with macros and tanking in general while we were doing Ramuh extreme. Tim Hortons you're great man keep it up.
the one and only problem/real interaction i've had with a mentor was when they wiped our party 5 times in a row for Memoria Ex lol
i feel like extremes shouldn't be part of mentor roulette xD
Don't even see the need for the NN. So far in every dungeon or boss fight, if we did die to some mechanic we didn't know, there was ALWAYS some guy that knew the mechanics and simply explained what we needed to know. Everyone was happy about the advice and we usually beat the dungeon/boss right after. Everyone said gg and all was fine with the world. No feet pic requests so far either.
Fixing it is rather simple. Make guidelines the mentors need to adhere to or they get permabanned from mentoring and can never reapply again. Being a mentor is not a right, so weed out the trash. Don't have rewards or, if you have them, make them dependend on sprout feedback. E.g. sprouts rate you and you have to get a specific amount and ratio of positive ratings.
Most of the stuff Zepla talked about is harmless, but my friend make only male characters and has male names in Steam, Discord, everywhere, because she doesn't want to be bothered.
My best friend does the same thing. She made a male character instead.
tbh im a mentor and have invited a few people in, but the issue is is that there is a cap of how many can be active in it at a time, so often I cant get in myself with the max capacity notice. Sooo i pretty much am in it if any one needs to reach out but i generally dont chat in it too often
I was in there for a while as a "Returner". Wasn't a bad experience. Mostly. There was one guy in there who liked to "stir the pot" a lot and the Mentors liked to ban that person before they even did anything quite often.
Honestly, I ended up providing more help to the sprouts than many of the actual Mentors did. The only stuff I couldn't help with was duties I didn't yet have access to. I provided a lot of free stuff as well as advice on how to change the UI and how to go about leveling up quickly as well as other stuff. I think I even provided the "pre-requisite" items for Relics 3 or 4 times (for free) to players who wanted to start the Relic Questline. Even affixed the Materia for them.
I think the issue with the Novice Network is simply that the Mentors in it aren't really willing to "help" anyone. If someone asks to run something unsync'd, they'll go along. But, if you ask them for help doing nearly anything else... or obtaining anything else... yeah, good luck getting help.
I would like to get into the NN just to provide more help. I had a lot of fun answering noob questions, helping people run dungeons, and providing crafted items to players who couldn't make them. But, the uh... requirements are a bit steep for casual players.
They really do need to drop the novice network and mentor system. I always say they should turn that mentor roulette into an “all content roulette” which gives you the possibility of all content you unlocked in the game, (besides savage and ultimates) and tie the reward mount to that. Then make mentors have a watering can icon only visible to sprouts and have that system be opt in for people that want it and quite possibly have information for sprouts to know about mentors.
I love how Rich is further and further evolving into Asmon chats identity ques! Love it lol
Back in Stormblood, the Adamantoise novice network used to actually be cool.
The philosophy behind it was that people would be chatting and talking. All spoilers were prohibited, and whenever anyone asked a question, everyone stopped conversation to help answer it.
We helped sprouts/returners do dungeons, we helped ferry people where they needed to go.
I dropped things on multiple occasions to go and help someone find an area, or gather aether currents, or finish a quest. It was fun.
But after shb, when I lost mentor due to comms, I just decided that I wasn't gonna care about it anymore. I wish it was done better
I go into extreme fights and take time to explain all the mechanics to new people every single time, and I'm also still a sprout. The few times I've seen mentors there, they've seemed like they're just sick and tired of explaining things to people and get frustrated. I kind of get it, though, especially when you have people who wipe on the same mechanic every single time even though they fully understand how it works. It's like, maybe there's some people who just don't have the ability to react quickly enough for certain fights.
Zepla reading ERP but changing the dirty bits with every day objects is my new kink.
I'm actually a sprout now, being invited to some novice network on Light-Odin and crowned guys there were actually helpful and answering people about all kinds of things they asked about story, crafting, classes and mechanics. So, i have very subjective good impression about it
Bro the novice network is awesome, I love reading what people talk about in novice network and met alot of cool people in the network!
13:30 hasn't aged well...
8:20 I actually had the opposite experience last night on FFXIV. I was doing a story quest dungeon and was watching the cutscene before the boss but I heard screeching; I was worried they were doing the boss without me, I started skimming the dialogue as quickly as I could. When I got out of the cutscene the boss was already dead, the rest of the group had left, and I did not even get a chance to look at the loot (which was surprising since the cutscene was not long). I am upset I did not get to fight the boss but also feel like a bad party member for not skipping the cutscene.
That ain't on you, they don't respect etiquette.
Don't feel bad about watching the cutscene, most people wait, sometimes it just comes down to an impatient tank. If the chest wasn't there and you saw no loot, it auto gave you all the loot since everyone else left
I play now since last week and i have to say there was no mentor interaction, and i think im good without them.
But on the other hand there are random players help without asking cause they see you dont know what to do so just have fun and try to help.
Peace!
I have had a great experience in NN personally. They always answer questions I have or try to help and there's usually some random chat going on if you want to join in and talk to someone.
I was denied so many times entry to the novice network when I first started. Good thing I never got in it.
This system could work if they increased the standards to be a mentor. Like for example if a mentor is shown to be toxic or negative in general they can lose their title and progress toward the rewards.
and punish the bad ones .
I played in CN server couple years ago, back then the novice network is super active, super friendly, and non stop constructive advices. Every new player got invited instantly as soon as someone can sees them. Every question will get answered almost instantly, dont know if it is still the same now.
*I am in Typhon, never got invited into the channel, now all lv60, with some lv80, sitting at the doorstep to SHB, never once did I recieve invite.
I used to have mentor status, and I turned it off after less than a week of just LOOKING at the network. I don't mind that I don't meet the requirements anymore. I just hang out in my FC and Linkshells anymore.
Fortunately there two mentor statuses (Combat and Crafter/Gatherer). I became an omnicrafter (all gatherers and crafters at lvl 80) before I decided to strive for Mentor status and I did it because it gives party members an exp boost if they're below a certain level on their crafters and gatherers; a bunch of my friends were low level and just starting out crafting so I wanted to help them with that, boost them to lvl 20, and afterwards they could level however they wanted to (completing class quests, working through Ishgard restoration, farming shit in Diadem, or just by making stuff in their crafting logs).
I really don't get why some players (Combat Mentors, cough cough) work towards a leadership-type role just for "rewards" and don't do shit with it regarding newer players. They are being assholes while the rest of us just wanna enjoy the game lool
I was just a mentor before, but when i started noticing sudden weird change on players, i stopped using NN and changed to trade mentor complitely ^^'' things started to get way too out of the place for me to continue that way, not to mention im just not looking forward working towards the mount anymore either :/
6:23 Wow, now they even piss on me
I honestly think if SE added a server chat, that would alleviate some of the "just chatter" people. Removing rewards would get rid of the rest. And with that NN would be in a much better state.
I just started playing and died near my msq. I shouted to ask if anyone could res me before I had to go through all that traveling again. some randome person ran up, resd me, and i saw them get an achievement for it... I was the first person they did this for lol... I often wonder if they knew they would get the achievement or if it was an organic surprise to both of us. Either way I thought it was cool. I haven't checked out the novice network, but after I commented on someone's glamour we became friends and we did my first couple dungeons together. We were in discord and it was pretty legitimately a great first random friend experience. I'm now in their FC and Fellowship.
How goes your FFXIV life one year on?
I'm on midgard and I think I know which sprout they're talking about... We've also had mentors that ban sprouts just for using phrases they don't like. Not insulting phrases, or derogatory phrases, literally for something like 'completely and utterly'.
That's interesting, I play on Chaos - Sagittarius and everyone's giga nice, never had stuff like this there.
I used to play Lord of the Rings Online. I intentionally created a human Loremaster and kept him in the Archet introduction area where new players go after completing the solo introduction. I'd watch brand new players struggling with their early experiences, and would jump in and offer support if it looked like a fight was going badly for them. I was in-character as a traveling scholar who quickly realized that dark times were coming, and that it would be the common folk who would have to rise up to face it. It was my goal to help new adventures take their first steps on their great journey. I'd stick with them through the archet introductory quest, and would tell them to keep their wits about them in the battle to come, and should they survive, to get word to my main character, who would surely help them continue their journey.
I'd then take myleave, the player would do the battle of Archet event, and then join the full multiplayer part of the server.
For those not familiar, LotRO eased you into the multiplayer aspect. Your first step was entirely solo as you learned basic controls and how to interact with the environment. Each race had its own solo introduction. The next step had a storyline that connected two of the four playable races. There was one fore Hobbits and Humans, and another for Elves and Dwarves. After that, all four races could interact. I had planned to create and elvish loremaster for the other branch, but never got around to it. I only stopped playing that game because my PC crashed, and I couldn't afford a new gaming rig to replace it, and what I got never would run it...
I've got more than enough machine to handle it now, and since it's free to play, I may have to jump back into it, and see if mentoring new characters is worth the time it used to be.
I wanted to form a fellowship that was dedicated to helping out other players in various regions. The game's title system would reflect an area of focus. I was going to make my main embrace his "Watcher of Roads" title and actually make back-and forth journeys between settlements, always walking, unless he joined a group. But my unplanned hiatus from the game cut those plans short. But I was going to require that anyone who joined actually earned the title for the role they wanted to play in the fellowship. It would have been about roleplay as much as guiding lower-level players. My loremaster was actually several levels higher than a typical new player in Archet would reach. I wanted him to be a Gandalf of a sort. A clearly powerful individual that could keep his charges alive and make sure they succeed.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Sorry. Listening to stories of mentors, even abismal ones like this video presents, awakened my sense of nostalgia... I think I'll go play LotRO again for a bit...
Peace!
On Cactuar/Siren I was running around Lisa giving sprouts gil. Some were grateful...some were confused.
novice network was great on elemental (tonberry). i would have delayed going into SHB if i knew it would disappear. So much shout out for S ranks, A ranks etc. intro into ocean fishing. honestly it was pretty good.
Not wrong that there can also be a bunch of random chat but u can just ignore the not important stuff.
But NA is NA lol.. cant blame most of them of having brain damage i guess?
Other elemental servers like Ramuh and Carbuncle also very helpful. Much quieter than Tonberry of course but whenever there's question, there'll be mentors answer. Wonder why NN is such a success in JP but not other DCs.
@@NessieNice i think its because its a japanese server and the English players need to adapt to the culture there. Also being in the minority, a sane person would not want to be black listed or have a bad reputation.
@@tooox8604 yeah, but Tonberry has been English majority since realm reborn. Quite agree with OP, even English speakers in Tonberry and Kujata (2nd English majority in Elemental) think majority of NA players are a joke in human decency area.
Tonberry crafting mentor here! It's not just a NZ/AUD hub but as SEA hub as well. And we love to chat n be helpful to make the experience better.
Exodus' NN is one of the most helpful communities I've ever seen in any game, there's the occasional fight or toxicity but the mentors stop that shit real fast and anyone who spoils anything is immediately kicked it's very strict on that. I have had nothing but good experiences with NN in my server
I am a mentor. Joined the status of others to actually assist other players. To be honest I got lucky with Coeurl. We actually have NN rules such as no MSQ spoilers and genuinely help players. There is some holier-than-thou attitudes amongst our mentor ranks, but most of our mentors do actually enjoy helping newer players. Sometimes we have even held games of hide-and-seek with prizes for sprouts. We do try to help Sprouts the best we can in Coeurl as it should be.
The novice network is literally mentors arguing about who’s advice is better and politely talking over one another. Lmao
Omg frist?
You ruined a perfectly written comment for a typo.
U mad about it? I like throwing out bait to catch easy fish.
YES. Getting invited into the novice network is an absolute insult for me. If I can't figure out something, I have fc, youtube, and friends. Asking anyone else even with a sprout icon is only asking for an argument. I might as well ask a twitch chat and have people assume me to be a troll than ask novice network
I never farmed commendations, but I got hundreds of them while leveling my tank and the number went rough the roof when I started leveling AST. I don't plan to join Burger King gang, I just try to be helpful just because.
Wait wait wait, hol' the f up.
I play on Zodiark and am currently in the NN due to coming back after a 2 years break. I haven't seen a single ERP there (though maybe they're doing this while I'm at work), but people are actually helping sprouts there. It's like a small friendly community within itself.
My experience is quite different from that tweet.
People don't just openly ERP in the NN chat. That was without a doubt just a mistell. Which happens fairly often, though ERP ones specifically are quite rare.
I like how it says this is the weird side of FF, as though this is unique and not just how the internet in general behaves.
I think you could solve this by having a feedback system. After helping someone they can leave a simple bullet check system 1-5 and maybe a 200 character or so text box. Get enough 1's and 2's and the devs may have to revoke your mentor status.
They should have gated the rewards behind commendations from players the mentors help. Like a mentors helps a player in the NN Chat, the player or others who had a similar question can commend the mentor for helping them in that regard. After 500 you get like a weapon transmog, after 1000 you get the mount or something.
NN in my server is mostly fine, genuinely helpful. Mentors in general aren't though. They are often the ones in a dungeon trying the least because they are just farming the mount. Like only spamming Cure 1 on the tank.
I became a mentor back in SB to (hopefully) be helpful to people. Saw the chat, regretted everything, never bothered renewing it in ShB.
I was actually never invited to mentor chat on my main character. I made a side character later to start at level 1 with a friend and I was invited immediately. Same server.
As someone who still has the "Sprout" icon over my head, I've already learned that the only other icon over someone's head that I should respect is the cutscene filmstrip one.
I'm far away from becoming a mentor but I chill sometimes at gridania and read chat if someone needs help and thats fun for me most the time
Whatever wow does with newcomer chat worked for me, I didn't end up playing the game past lvl 60, but I asked questions probably a dozen times in newcomer chat and no one was ever rude and usually got an answer.
You remember those kids in high school that were somehow always with everyone between classes but were never in anyone's class. Those are the people in the Novice Network
I’ve never seen a mentor once to even have this problem lol