SCALEMAIL: What is it & Does it Work?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Let’s take a look at the fantasy genre’s favourite anachronistic armour: scalemail! (whatever that means)
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Very well made video, thanks for making It!
Great to see you here.
Your welcome
He makes a good point. Layering scalemail over chainmail over a gambeson actually sounds like reasonably good protection.
The Romans thought so. They called it lorica plumata.
@@stevenschnepp576I don't really think it was a roman who wore it though. As far as I've read, it was worn by a nomad merc who came to Britain and was station there.
Meaning, the only example found might be the only example found.
I like scalemail most. The idea of combining chainmail with scalemail sounds like a match made in heaven!
yep, the other way to approach it is system like chinese mountain symbol scale which solves weakness in a differnt way (it makes scale behave like mail, but because its scale you can make it much thicker metal than you could ever make chainmail due to wire thickness & ring size constraints. im currently making a plated mail/scale mail breastplate very similar to the roman example in this clip actually, i hadnt seen it before but its basically exactly what im building except scale shaped a little differnt on bottom on mine
The Roman armour of scales integrated onto mail, lorica hamata squamatque, has an easier name - lorica plumata, a la plumage of a bird. Agree that it seems optimal for adventuring, assuming around 20 swg steel scales that have enough carbon in them to be heat-treated. -- a fellow armour nerd.
I did not know lorica hamata squamatque had another name; thanks for bringing it to my attention!
Finally someone noticed Roman squamata
I love that armour
Can we all just agree that scale mail ontop of chain mail (don’t even) looks fucking awesome
Ive actually been kicking around the idea of adding scales to my titanium hauberk
DEUS VULT INTENSIFIES
I suggest using a titanium-tungsten alloy for the scales, which has an even higher heat resistance and hardness than titanium by itself.
@@Ryan_Winter How is it for brittleness?
I'm thinking of having Scale armor in my Fantasy RPG game. I'm currently working on the stats and generally trying to figure out where it fits, in terms of how much it actually protects you. This video has helped
Good work! Doing some RPG rules and your chain+scale comment is exactly the same idea I was thinking would be best.
Whuh I never knew that about "mail" referring specifically to chains. I would have blamed modern fantasy role playing enthusiasts but in the musical play "Camelot," Lancelot (no relation) purports that he could "climb a wall no one else can climb, cleave a dragon in record time, swim a moat in a coat of heavy iron mail" and that play debuted in 1960, supposedly 14 years before the first version of Dungeons and Dragons. it makes sense that the confusion would be older than any modern technology that romanticizes usage of the material.
This is very helpful for my fantasy writing.
4-in-1 with interwoven scale is surprisingly good protection against impact. The commercial (steel) scales with one large hole at the top are OK, but we've been trialling some 'two hole, one slot' scales that lock it down a bit more. You don't lose as much flexibility as you might think, and it stiffens and almost acts like a non-Newtonian fluid when it gets hit.
That's pretty close to what I was thinking of doing for some SCA armor. It seems such a natural answer to the problems of plate and maille.
Love the quick pic of captain context. In the beginning
Very nicely explained in a clear comparison to chain and plate.
I like this! I’d always wondered which mail was superior. Scale mail on top of chain mail seems to be the way to go- until yr opponent comes after you with a war hammer..😳
Some of the newer multi-linked designs are better at absorbing impact than the one hole types. Still not as good as plate, but enough that you'd survive (even if it didn't feel too good in the morning).
Oooh finally a confirmation of what I always supposed existed in Roman inventory Scale mail!!
Scale armor, depending on it's rigidity, could be referred to as scale maille for the same reason maille is referred to as maille. The term comes from the French word for "mesh" (or one of them, anyway). This is of course in reference to it's flexibility.
Iirc the picture you've shown depicting lamellar armour is actually a scale armour - plates aren't ties together but sewn onto the fabric. Hell, in many (if not most) sources lamellar armour is just a type of scale armour since it is made out of metal scales, just attached differently
The picture at 2:31 is lamellar, according to the manufacturer.
armstreet.com/store/armor/medieval-lamellar-stainless-steel-armor-body-suit
Additionally, lamellar armour is technically armour which uses scales, yes, but when modern people (Matt, Lloyd, Skall, Shad, Dr. Capwell, etc.) talk about "scale armour," they're referring to scales sewn onto a backing. That's just what the term has come to mean. Here's a good Metatron video about the difference: ruclips.net/video/-z_aWdxWVuA/видео.html
The weakness of scale armor to upward thrusts is, as a practical matter, not nearly so great as might seem.
I've heard it called "linked mail" a few times and must say that is my favorite. Though riveted mail has been used I THINK it is referring to a very specific type.
Great video; thank you for skipping for ADD meds today! Honestly, great video.
Armor over mail isn't called plate mail or scale mail or anything. If its built into mail then it's scale mail or plate mail.
This humble, but flustered armoroer thanks you
You do realize the mend cantrip Makes it almost impossible to permanently damage some thing in most fantasy there’s usually some kind of spells it instantly repairs things
It's a rare fighter who can cast spells.
Love scholagladitoria
I'm making scale armour now. Amasing stuff.
Very nice, TY
If you think about it, maile is made out of a bunch of links of metal, like a chain
Thank you! It's like people are trained to complain about nothing. It's chainmail. End of story.
Great video! I fail to see how it would be lighter than other armors though. Mail itself can be almost as heavy as a brigandine.
Lorica Plumata for mail with scales attached directly to it.
my scale armour is being built on Japanese 4x2 chain mail backing so if you stab under it you hit mail at a angle. it actually has 3mm hard ox(grind plate) scales so it would be bullet proof to a decent calibure looks a lot like the roman lorica hamadus qoumatiqa you show actually each scale has 2 holes with 2 rings at top that link it to one ring on mail shirt under it only differnce really is mine have a bevel on bottom and dont have those little sword breaking ridges(im planning on using it for reenactment ppl wouldnt like that at all lol)
Great video. Thank you for the clear explanations!
Nice video!
thank you
thanks, nice putting it together
It is the heaviest type of armor. NOT lighter than plate. Plate is lighter than mail-per unit area. Mail plus a layer of scales which have overlaps is something o the order of TWICE as heavy as plate.
So in the Snyder Cut, is Steppenwolf wearing scalemail armor?
Would scales have been attached to chain mail doublet ?
Very good video.
The scale armor you show at the beginning of the video isn't really representative of what was used historically and was undoubtedly popular across Eurasia, according to historical records. Genuine scale armor has 4 holes in each scale, 2 on each side of the upper scale. The scales overlap not only vertically but horizontally, so that the 2 side holes of one scale overlap with the 2 side holes of the next horizontal scale. Some form of tie or attachment is then put through these overlapping holes and connected to the leather/fabric backing. While the scales aren't directly connected vertically, they overlap one another immensely, and due to the 2 holes on each side being vertically aligned, they stick closely to the fabric. Upward thrusts weren't that much of a problem, most likely, especially considering the posture of the warrior during combat.
Also, for the variants that only have 2 holes on the scale, the holes are vertically aligned and far apart so an upward thrust wouldn't be much of a problem for that variant either.
pierce the veil ❌ pierce the mail ✅
I'm convinced scale armour is more effective than we think. I believe due to a lack of interest, modern reproductions fail to properly replicate the historic reality. A bit of experimental archaeology would likely produce a varied and superior armour than what we imagine.
Well I have to imagine an integration of all 3 would be the most ideal depending on the area.
Plate armor is incredibly useful as a defense with the exception of it's weakness,, the openings. Perhaps In these opened areas using scale maile would be a better armor? 🤔
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There is no such thing as 'scalemail.'
**Laughs in Latin**
I refer you to lorica plumata, the scaled maille of the Romans.