Don't Buy a B7 RS4 - Buy a B5 S4 Instead
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My 2000 Audi S4
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To add to this: if you’re willing to pay a slight premium for OEM parts, audi now has a program/business called Audi Tradition, which is low-key sort of similar to Porsche Classic, just not quite as extensive. It basically makes all of the old parts for our beloved older Audi’s (10 yrs old from now) available, brand new.
Basically, the B5 is easier entry, more accessible, greater “mod-ability” more DYI history. These are all the reasons to play and build yourself. Thanks for sharing
You just ended up buying a lemon B7 RS4 and shouldn't generalize your experience along with the other B7 RS4s.
Even if he had a low-mileage B7 RS4 with no issues whatsoever, his rationale still stands.
If you're okay buying a car that has almost no OEM parts availability, then go ahead and enjoy the very special car that is the B7 RS4.
If however you prefer to own a car that can be repaired when faults arise, rather than have the possibility it might be off the road for an indeterminate period while you search the globe for unicorn components (costing you gold, frankincense and myrrh), then choose the B5 S4 instead.
Both are very special cars in their own unique ways. Both have their problems but both have passionate, cult-like followers.
Also, if there's the slightest possibility you might want to tune whichever one you buy, then the B5 is definitely the one to have. The B5 S4 is capable of delivering performance that a B7 RS4 would need six figures throwing at it to match.
@ScramTek I'm sure parts are available new folks just want used parts and that's when it becomes hard to get parts for them.. sounds like a person's complaint who can afford the car but not the maintenance type of thing.
And once you turbo the b6/b7 s4 stge 3 b5s don't matter anymore especially on highway rolls
Ehhh why get a B7 or B5, get the OG and get into a C4 S4 or URS4
Going on 7 years with my daily b5s4 and never left me stranded, going to keep this car forever :)
Still have my B5 I bought in 02 and it still looks like it did when I bought it except for windshield trim and cowl screen starting to break down. Hope I can find new but I don’t want to pull OEM windshield.
B5 S4’s are cool but the B7 RS4 is in another league altogether! You have to pay for exclusivity and to drive the best Audi ever produced ;)
I think the B5 is a better driving experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@IgnitionTube 😂
its just ridicoulus to compare a b5 s4 whith a b7 rs4. even the b5 rs4...strugles a lot when turning. the only valid point its that its cheapper to buy and mantein
I’d rather have the b7 rs4 over e9x m3’s any day and maybe the c63. I just love the rs4 b7 styling .
your smart good boy love my rs4 wouldn't have any other sedan driven most of tgem
I love seeing this content man! I completely agree with you from the B5 S4 perspective, I owned one for three years, and loved every second of it, even through the many fixes I had to do to it 👍 can’t wait to see what you do with yours and I can’t wait to buy another one someday.
IM in the same boat.. sold mine for 900 dollars, it had 220k miles, zero issues, but I had gotten a car handed down... it was a ford focus wagon... talk about a car thats in the shop ALLLL THE TIME, it was that one.. sad to see the prices for the B5's starting to move up, used to be able to get them for really cheap and then trick them out as you please.. and honestly the styling being from 1996, still holds up very well.. same with the interior if you do a upgrade and put in a clean aftermarket screen that does apple car play and what not.
Went from selling my silver b5 with pulling my hair out after going K04s and issues then selling my b8 s4 to getting back into another b5 s4 (casa) with a built motor and K04s that was done proper and tons of other goodies on it. Point is there’s something about b5s that always want to make you get back into one one way or another. Once you get bit by the b5 bug you’re stuck!
I love how this only really happens with older Audis. Even B6 A4 owners gradually upgrade only to come back to the B6 platform because there’s nothing quite like it
Loud and clear 👌🏽! I want a b7 even more now 😎
Dream car is an rs4 still, something about the body just keeps me locked in. Absolutely love the b5 too which is why I wanna 2.7 swap my b7. Both communities are fantastic, so much info now on 2.7 swaps! Love it!
wait your going to swap the 2.7 tt into one of the only naturally aspirated V10s that Audi every built.. the same engine thats in the R8 ? why may I ask ? is it the timing chain that tends to go out and cost 8k to fix, or is it the customization you get with the B5 2.7tt ?
@@beefwantko7269 no?? I never said anything about the R8 lol. I want to swap the b5 s4 2.7 motor into my b7 a4. And the RS4 never had a v10, it’s a v8 that shared the same v8 as the lower trim R8
Hi take a look at fake RS4 video 🙂
@@beefwantko7269
V10? The only Audi, apart from the R8, that had a V10 was the C6 RS6. And that RS6 V10 had twin turbos, unlike the R8 V10. No RS4 was ever produced with a V10.
the S6 had one as well, so did the S8 and some q7's but diesels@@ScramTek
S4 B5 is cool car, but come on, RS4 B7 is on another level, so much better in all ways 🤤
Completely disagree. Have you driven both?
I've had a B7 RS4 for about 6 years now from 98k to 144k. I've had to deal with some of the typical things. Throttle body: easy DIY with the GM/Pierburg replacement instead of OEM Audi. Coil packs, tune-up. Carbon clean. Expansion tank. 2ndary oil cooler rusted couplers. My DRC just gave out so I've put the car in storage on a tender for a bit while I decide what to do and got a 957 turbo as my daily. I think the RS4 will become a summer and weekend car from here out. I haven't minded spending the money on it bc it really is special. It's a future classic in the way a B5 S4 will never measure up to. The intake and exhaust sounds can't help but make you smile. For DRC I've just discovered the Koni option from CRS in UK, and will probably go that route. Eventually there might be something that requires an engine-out. That all scares me a little bit cost-wise, but I just can't part with it. The car has aged extremely well, looks fantastic for 15 years old. The build quality inside is as good most current luxury cars on the road. There are faster cars now, but the driver experience incredible still. So why not spend some money to keep it? Ask me again when the $10k engine-out job comes along, but I think spending the $10k on a classic that ages well is the way to go. To buy something newer that is as exciting to drive and feels as "special" I'd have to spend a lot more money than that. I think you made a good point about aftermarket mods for the two models. The B5 is more mod-friendly with more options. I'm a very keep-it-stock person so that's not a concern of mine.
Had a RS4 a few years ago ...and ALL our points were spot on!!!! From mods to parts to Maintenance.... you are right. Now i have a B5 S4.... its my project BUT... like you said you can find parts , you just have to look. I see no lies in the video....
Thanks for backing me up!!
an rs4 is a super fan car, a b5 s4 is just a lets day kind of fast sedan that struggles to turn
YOUR WRONG LOL
so u have an b5 s4? why dont u have the rs4 b5?@@Rednblack900
I love the B5 S4, I picked mine up about a year ago and the car is such a blast to drive when its running haha.
Owned and driven b5 and b7. B7 is just a more sorted platform. The whole driving experience is cleaner and smoother. Brakes, transmission, suspension, steering, interior etc. Currently running a b7 s4 with 176k as my daily and it’s a gem.
I own a B5 S4 Avant in brilliant black. I love this car, I am running a stage 2 tune and just installed silicone hose kit. Car is so crisp and so fast. I daily the car most days too. I love driving the S4 . 6 speed manual helps too. Avant's seem to be a hard find and holds there value well.
That B5S4 "magic" is real. I've owned a b5, 2 b7S4 and a b7RS4. But something always brought me back to wanting a B5S4, so much so that I recently bought a Noggie shell to rebuild.
Love the B5 content. This video inspired me to get the girl out the garage tomorrow and take to work. No rain or snow tomorrow.
Let’s gooo!!!
Had a B7 RS4 in the past and they're great. Would have kept it if we got the wagon version in the US. I also have a B9 SQ5 and want to find a B5/B6 S4 Avant to wrench on in the coming years. We have similar taste haha. Can't wait to see your SQ5 with the turbo upgrade!
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Just because you bought the wrong RS4, it doesnt mean that the worst Audi ever made is better. B5 S4 is an absolutely pile of garbage car, hard to work on, and the list goes on...
Wronggggg
Great content, all facts seem correct, i to bought the last oem parts from the uk , one rs4 dust plate on rear calliper , throttle peddle , and rear bumper strip ,
I had to get oem rs4 rear door badges from Athens and perfect after market front calliper stickers from Serbia
Parts are hard to get for B7
B5 easier life , b7 not as easy but can’t beat that sound and be a part of a great unique
community 👍
agreed fully 👌 spot on rs4 is that special audi
Exhaust note: RS4 for the win. Loved my B5, it was clean and perfect, but I'm the type that just needs that V8 growl.
I own an RS4, and say fair review. Always loved the feel of a B5 and might be leaning towards Turbo masterace after owning an sti for a couple years now.. Brother has been considering a B5 S4 for some time, but the RS4 looks and sounds better.. so there! ;p
man the Turbo on any stage 3 STI will blow your hair back.. but the twin turbos of the B5 have soo much less turbo lag.. and can be just as quick if not alot faster without a 4 second delay when driving a WRX and then getting slammed into your seat.. at least from my experience
Definitely there is something special about B5 and it makes you don't want lose it or you dream to get it again if you already sold one. I'm not sure what it is but my thoughts are that driving experience especially feeling the speed is making much more emotions in B5 compering to modern cars
How about a b6 s4 vs a b5 s4? Which do you prefer and why?
These 2 cars are down to an almost final choice for me, the RS4's scare the life out of me I think. Thanks for the content.
Too many shitty B5s out there lol. Literally every actual car guy will choose the B7 RS4. It's a no brainer. 100 x's more reliable, probably the most reliable Audi out there, much more powerful, looks so much better, doesn't look insanely outdated and old like a B5, interior build quality is light-years ahead, resale value will always be better, and sounds better.
As much as I'd choose the RS4 if money is no issue... most heavy maintenance fixing requires the engine off and that gets really expensive. I agree with you Eli... S4 is the smart choice with such a large community support
Broke boys definitely agree with this video
Being broke has nothing to do with one car being better than another lmao
S4 lower entry price for a reason.
This was ignorant both cars price tag in showroom and maintenance was not meant for anybody broke
Couldn't agree with this statement more
@@mileageponroadwell you needs a lil more $ to maintain 4.2 yet alone boost one... parts are Def Available... ya just cant afford the maintenence bill that's all there is to it if you have to make lifetime decisions
I’d like to say that as a b5 s4 owner, I did buy the very last NEW driver side bumper guide in the country from Audi Salt Lake City like 2 months ago 🥶
I'm within a week away from pulling the trigger on a B7 RS4 with 77k miles on it and was feeling pretty good tbh. I looked around and did my research and aside from the suspension which seems common with most older audis (just throw on coilovers), carbon cleaning (shorter intervals but still a DI thing we're all used to), intake flaps (remove when you carbon clean), and expensive consumables like rotors and brakes and in the case of this car.... control arms lol. I thought I knew what I was getting into. It's funny how ONE video can make me seriously doubt the decision until I realized that your vehicle has 3x the miles as the one i'm looking at.
Given i'll be very likely putting less than 10k miles per year on this thing... i'm hoping I don't regret it lol
I've literally heard nothing but negative things with regards to reliability when it comes to the b5... unsure as to why it's suddenly preferred over arguably the best Audi sedan of all time tbh. I guess it's mostly because it's easier to fix but I think they would break much more often. Granted with 300k miles on the clock I imagine everything has been or will need to be replaced.
Where are you finding these S4s for under 10-15k? I feel like most I see now are closer to 20k, even more if lower mileage. (Serious question btw not sarcasm)
The B7 RS4 is a great looking car but I agree. I owned a B5 S4 laser sedan for 6 years before picking up my B8.5 S4. I missed the B5 so much. Ended up buying a Silver S4 Avant in July and then found my dream B5. Picked up my Laser Red S4 Avant in Connecticut. Took 3 days driving it home. It’s so amazing to have in the garage.
Big congrats!!!
love my stage 3 b5 s4, bought it from original owner from Texas, no rust
I’ll never go for the b5 over an rs4! I learned how to drive on a b7 s4 so I really want an rs4. I do love the b5 for its tuning ability and so fourth. Except for the fact they explode 🤣
rs4 rules bro owned both my choice is rs4 sorry Eli
You live in the Woburn area? That’s cool man, I grew up there, first car was a B5 A4. Made me wanna buy an S4 as a project car
Great content! Just finished a C5 allroad 6 speed swap with a full stage 3 upgrade. The 2.7t 6 speed combo is hard to beat. $15k for a 410awhp/430awtq sleeper. Thanks for the great video!
I picked up a B5 S4 avant for 1800 bucks 10 years ago. It was auto but that was changed in a weekend. Safe to say i got SUPER lucky! Lol
No way!!! Wild!
I agree with you on most points. My brother had a 2001.5 B5 S4 new and that thing was great. Funny how he lived in Brookline, MA (From CA) and his headlights kept getting stolen. He ended up selling it because it got annoying. It was a fun car to drive, but the gearbox was a bit rubbery. He also got a Neuspeed exhaust and chip which was fun.
I owned a B7 RS4 for about 7 years. The gearbox on that was way more crisp. It was definitely a money pit: Carbon cleaning, replaced the intake manifold, had a stalling issue (because 034 Motorsports replaced my high pressure fuel sensor with a non-OEM part), replaced the high pressure fuel pumps, and the guy I sold it to had the rear main seal start to leak after he drove it home to LA. I loved that car so much though. The clutch was great and I never had any issues with it. I owned it from about 76K to 144K. I put the KWV3 set on it and a StopTech trophy BBK on it with steel braided lines and slotted rotors.
I was encouraged to sell it by my friend and mechanic at Sonnen Audi. He just said eventually I’d have to do an “engine-out” service which would run $10K+.
So I reluctantly sold it and have definitely missed it.
I bought a new F80 M3 about 5 years ago and while it is way faster, it’s missing some of the character of the B7 RS4.
Those Audi 4.2’s are great, but they’re wedged in there so it gets real expensive fast. Like you said, parts are expensive and hard to find. Not to mention the timing chain and guides could go bad too.
I had that timing chain rattle on my B6 S4 which I bought brand new and sold at about 165K miles. I will say that car was trouble free in the 8 plus years I owned it! I sold it cheap, because the timing chain would rattle on cold start and I didn’t want to deal with replacing the guides.
I enjoyed your videos! I still like the B5 S4 too. I miss my brother’s clean example of that.
Would love a b5 s4, but I current have a b6 s4 I’m considering 2.7 swapping
owned a b5 A4 with franketurbo and now a b7 RS4. my problem with the b5 was that the parts outlook was less optimistic than yours. fog lights? couldn't find a set with a decent lens for under 130 bucks. those stupid headlight washer covers? couldn't find one for the longest time. even if you did find one, the tabs are broken. some other stuff WAS way easier though... depo clear corners so affordable and a great assembly. great vid though and great conversation.
To me the RS4 is the car I'd go with if money wasn't a factor, great points on getting replacement parts for it though..
B7 RS7 owners tend to be more mature.
Mature as in age? Lol
@IgnitionTube Age and mind. The price point likely keeps it that way. Lol
I like the B5 S4, but to your point, it looks just like any B5 A4. Also, the B7 was the last V8 S4/RS4.
@@mousiee7well there is a V8 in the B8 RS4
I've owned both s4 stage 3 500hp deff loved it lots great 👍 car owned it 4 years ! Now own a b7 rs4 mint for going on 3rd Sumner this year its so unreal just checks every box 📦 it's just so special ❤️ I'll never sell it !!!!!
I’ve had 7 B5 S4s now and currently have a stage 3 nogaro wagon and stage 3 santorin sedan. I love them both but I would love to have a b7 rs4 some day. That said i’ll never not own a b5.
This is so true, my b5.5 2.8 was so good. Ended up getting a b7 2.0 6spd. Such a turd, the balance shaft problem got me
Have had a few b5 s4’s… and one b7 rs4. Let’s just say I’m looking to get back into a b5.
I love the B5 (RS4) but I loved my B7 RS4 Avant and love my current B8.5 RS4 Avant.
Totally different to the B5 but the engine on the 7/8.5s are incredible.
I love both of these car like I love most I'd not all audis, could you possibly do a video like this about the tt line up
I haven’t driven many TT’s!
Have you had to do the timing chains on the B5? If I bought one, and they had not been done, I would feel compelled to do them.
There are no timing chains on a 2.7T, it’s a belt motor
@@IgnitionTube Thanks, yep, should have said belt. Thanks again.
"B7 owners dont have as much mechanical knowledge as B5 Owners."
Yea, because the title for a B5 is an ASE certificate.
I almost bought a B5 S4, but I swung for a C4 S4 instead and I’m glad I did. The sound, the soul, the comfort and reliability are vastly superior.
Lol what world are you living in dude
I sold my B8S4, 18 RS3 Carbon, and my 00 B5S4. I miss the B5 the most. Im currently trying to find one that isnt beat to hell or tunned
I love the B5 S4, but not getting rid of my RS4.
If you want a project car that's really rewarding, any forced induction Audi is a better option than a B7 RS4. The B7 RS4 stock has already virtually extracted most of the performance the platform/engine has to offer. If you got an RS4 with wingbacks, flat bottom wheel, and carbon ceramics... the only performance mods you have left are piggies/dps, a catback exhaust, a tune, and a set of quality coilovers. You'll get a couple of extra HPs and better handling, but that's it. Then you get to a point where you need to dump 10-15k into it if you're interested in forced induction, and once you do, that money is lost, it's no longer a collectible car.
With a B5 S4 or even a B8 S4, you get a car that's much more rewarding from a tuning standpoint. You start at 250hp/333hp, and you can almost double the power without having to spend 15k on it. Also like you mentioned, S4's aren't really collectible cars so it's not like you're ruining the value of a super limited production model when you mod it -- in most cases you're actually bringing it back from the dead.
I got a 2000 S4 as well in imola. Had it since 2010.
I had my 2001.5 Audi B5 avant.. I didnt do much as far as modifications, but I finnally sold it and it was close to 220k miles, with only a few things wrong, the AC was on the fritz, and the original batery went out ... after 200k mile lol.. I miss that car so much, it was fun, fast, and very practicl, I might actually try to find one in good shape and tune it, and drive it untill it blows up.. but I sold mine to a Kid in my neighboorhood for 900 dollars, the leather was in perfect condition.. it was the perfect car for a highschooler who didnt have rich parents to go out and buy him something new, but still fast enough to keep up with the rich kids if he wanted.. i felt blessed passing it on... that wsa over 16 months ago and I still see him drive down the street in it.. great car... and can I add... the older Audi S models were actually a huge step up from the Standard A4... and in the US thats saying something because now a S3 has the same old tuned 2.0L that the GTI and Type R have, and the interior is so cheap... the interiour on a B5.. which was made from the mid 90s i might add... was extremely well put together, out of date, but very well constructed.. even the MK4 GTI's had a decent interiour when compared to any US car... i hope Audi gets back to that standard of quality inside their cars.. sorry for the rant.
I have owned 3 B5s 1 being a Stage 3 and rs4 upgrades any time it was needed and currently for the past 5 years daily a B7 S4 Avant and I can tell you while I thoroughly enjoy my b7 and will most likely never sell it there hasnt been a day where I have not felt the regret for selling that stage 3 B5. It has left such a big hole that I do plan on one day buying another B5 and I have totally accepted the fact that its going to probably cost me 10-15k more than what I let my car go for 7 years ago
Hmm... Having owned both, currently owning a B8.5 S4, I'm not sure how to take this... lol. I disagree that the B5 drives better. The RS4 felt more solid and I felt was a better driver HOWEVER, the RS4 was pure sledgehammer meaning that you had to drive it that way, the B5 might be easier to drive but I don't agree that it is a better driver. I owned the RS4 for 3.5 years and only had the B5 for about 2 years but I did enjoy the B5 a lot, wouldn't be against another really clean one but the prices are starting to get to the point that it isn't worth it anymore to search for what I want. Not paying 15k+ for a really clean Imola 6-speed sport package.
B8.5 S4 is better than both 😄😄
sorry Eli agree with him owned a b5 stage 3 and a 4.2 ltr s4 as well !! The rs4 feels solid and tighter and sound and rare man love the b7 rs4 to death not cause I own one cause it just all that :-)
I’ve always dreamed of a noggy blue b5 S4, but only have the means for one car right now so I have a lapiz blue golf r lol. One day…
Buy clean S4, break it, Now you have really nice garage queen because thats what s4 si. Even rs4. I dont mean to talk harsh its really good engine, makes nice power, single turbo or biturbo. But they break everytime. I have 3 friends, one rs4, one of them allroad with s4 engine. All the time something is broken. If they work and they are maintained well they are at least for me one of the best sounding and looking audis ever. Rs4 for sure is timeless. Maybe Rs2 just because of 2.2t. And then sound of V10TT in Rs6
Comes down to the history and maintenance. I have had multiple B5 S4's and I also have a B5 RS4. Never had any big failures just do the preventative maintenance. Most people complain about these cars when they have bad habits and do not fix the small problems before they get big.
While I love the b5 S4, I personally would like to get the C5 A6 with the 2.7T in manual. It's more of a sleeper IMO
Yeah I can dig that for sure!!
What about a sorted out B6 S4 🤷🏻♂️
There is a yellow B7 rs4 at a business down the street from my house, only one I’ve seen in person.
All original and immaculate
Best color!!
Had a Casablanca White B5 back in 2014 and regret selling it every day since 2017. I was recently in the market again for another fun car after I made a huge profit on my B8 S4. I was looking at B5s again and almost bought one again. But all the ones near me were high mileage and high on price. Ended up with a clean, low mileage B6 A4 instead for a killer deal. But agree with you on the B5 though.
Why did you get rid of the b8?
@@klamjr the oil was really sparkly with copper bits which=no bueno lmao but I sadly lost my K04 B6 due to someone hitting it while parked and currently drive an E90 328i 6spd. It's nice and fun but, I'm an Audi boy and looking for a B9 S4
2:45 literally opposite in the UK , load of RS4's but practically no b5's.
Agree with all points.
Im an N/A aspirated man... so B5 S4 not my cup of tea, thank u
I think you just brought a really rough abused RS4.
Owner of 2 b5’s let’s stop talking about them.
Buy a straight body and interior B5 S4 for under $9k then spend $11k on restoration. Great daily and show car.
Thinking of getting a 2005 s4 avant . 133,000 miles for 9,999$ what do you guys think?
If they don’t have paperwork for timing service don’t buy
@@IgnitionTube
If you buy it cheap you can do the updated chains and guides yourself, win win.
I think that the B5 is cool and I can’t wait to see it but the RS4 was even more sick
I think the B5 is more Audi while the RS4 is more a BMW / Mercedes type of driving experience.
Yeah, boring and slow. Just like BMW and Mercedes 🚀
@@IgnitionTube yeah yeah laugh it up 😂
@@IgnitionTube 😂
If you had bought a better RS4, this video wouldn’t exist and you’d have never sold that car.
Lmao b5 s4 is such a beast but so unreliable. After I owned one vowed to never own an Audi unless it’s an r8
Rs4 b5> all Audi cars
We don’t have those in the US 😭
You didn't show the exterior of the car once.
I really just don't think this is good comparison. It should be b5 s4 against b7 s4. Or B5 rs4 against b7 rs4 🤔
We don’t have the b5 RS4 in the US
@@IgnitionTube What is it with the avants there ?????Zeesus
why not b8.5 rs5? best sounding v8 of Audi
Slow and not manual!
@@IgnitionTube faster than rs4 tho. yeah manual is better
Where's the love for the b6/b7 S4's??? Dirt cheap right now and with a jackal tune you've got a RS4
I was going to buy one but to make them actually fast it’s like $10k, and every single one of them needs a timing service 😂😂
Beautiful looking car, but unreliable. Jackal sauce gives it a few ponies and flames out the back, but in no way shape or form an RS4. Not even close. Two completely different 4.2s.
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Lol
Rs4 any day, b5 is outdated.
B5 is better.
I've owned both from stock to complete engine builds... the B5 is a pornstar, the B7 RS4 is the stripper thats good.. but doesn't F*k the same, has the moves but can't deliver the same.
I wanted to sell my B5 S4 until seeing this haha 😂
Sell it before it breaks