In the beginning of the series River was just a mess with a lot of mistakes and wrong doings, but I like how he stood up for his mistakes and his owning up to it with all the sacrifices he has done. I can't wait for season 5,I have liked and subscribed to this page so please give us a heads up on the realise of season 5
In the video clips you show Lamb discovering the death of Bad Sam Chapman, NOT Marcus Longbridge. Chapman was Lambs last contemporary. We were first introduced to him as the Laundrymat contact.
1. Took me a whole season to realise that River's dad and Mr Smith (Matrix), is the same actor!!! 2. Favourite moment of the finale is when the hooded weirdo agent, saves that killer from Shirley, only to shoot him himself, a couple of seconds later...
Well, I discovered him in the first episode in which he appeared and in his dialogue with River in the last episode I could appreciate that Huge Weaving likes to talk as slowly as Agent Smith does with Mr. Anderson. 😅
Everyone has their own point of view, but I’m stunned anyone entertains the possibility that David Cartwright is faking his dementia. In addition to the fact it’s been progressing for quite awhile over a couple seasons, his dementia being fake would be a gimmick so cheap as to ruin the show. Any writer who tried to spring that on us would be a coward. And these show-runners do not have a history of cowardice, either in SH or their other work.
Harkness left the envelopes with the lady in the wheelchair when he visited her. it was his contingency plan for if he got caught in was put in jail. Each one was addressed to each of the heads of service and must have contained all of MI5s dirt secrets over the years and information they dont want to go public. His demands were to let him go within 12 hours or they would be made public online. Thats why he was so smug when Taverner visited him in jail, he knew he left the letters and wheel chair lady would let Lamb know and they couldn't risk those secrets getting out so they'd let him go. I think thats what is was at least (non book reader)
I believe Lamb and Diana went over this at Lamb's office. Frank has blackmail material (those letters) on various high ranking public officers in the UK gov't including Claude. Claude's letter, which Jackson and Molly read, says that if Frank is not released from jail w/n X hours, the electronic versions of these letters will be released online. Jackson says that this dirt absolutely cannot get out so Diana has to release Frank.. Diana also read the Claude letter and agreed basically immediately. This would explain why Frank kept saying to Diana in the previous scene that he would walk and she's just there to take his lunch order, because he knows that ultimately, whatever interogation Diana could do - would not out rank the dirt in those letters.
Harness's letters are evidence of corruption and dirty laundry within MI5 at the highest level. The outcome would be too scandalous and disruptive if the letters were ever made public. And there would be the inevitable government enquiry.
Honestly a little bit disappointed after finishing the whole season. It feels like some details are left out because they have to compress the whole story into 6 episodes. Death of Marcus is indeed unexpected, but it has nothing to do with the whole plot and it's executed for sake of "surprise". The fact that he has to gamble again to get his gun back is kinda ridiculous. He used to have a whole arsenal in the trunk of his car and now only a pistol left? The whole arc around him is so confusing in this season and I couldn't find any slice of redemption in it. Designing a character who just died abruptly with no development whatsoever is far from good writing. The new agent Jason Kevin Coe in Slough House is also a bit out of character imo. As someone who previously worked in Psych Eval department, he's expected to make appropriate judgemental decisions. After talking Shirley Dander out of her rage and her attempt of killing the assassin, those who survived in Slough house didn't know Frank Harkness had already been detained. Why on earth would he kill the assassin rather than wait for other agents from the park so that they could interrogate him? Not that it could make any difference, but how the plot is carried out is far from what I expected from an agent like him. The writing has unfortunately undergone a noticeable downgrade.
You need to stop overthinking it. It is a great show and the bloke went out a hero. I think you think yourself as the worlds top critic. Well you’re not.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 What happens in reality doesn't have to be logical but in a good TV series it should be. You present a flawed character without any redemption arc and expect me to be emotional about his exit? No thanks. That's how a story deteriorates when it focuses merely on boosting your adrenaline instead of getting viewers hooked by good writing. I'm actually more intrigued to see how the new secretary gets back to the park and blackmails first desk than Marcus' plot.
I love the show and can still be critical of how they finished up. Frank, with a supposed get out of jail card still puts a grenade into Rivers hood. The gun story would have made more sense if Marcus had just beat the dancing gun runner up instead of winning at the bookies, that it happened off screen made me think he'd made a mess getting his gun back and that would need resolving. Shooting the handcuffed assassin would have made more sense imo if Lamb or Shirley shot him. Even with all of the above I still enjoyed it but it did try to pack alot in, I'd have liked a longer epidode or an extra one, shame the Saudi's got away scot free in the end lol. Loved Ho thinking he was dying and was going to bleed out from a scratch. Also, streaming has spoiled me, the episode a week drop is brutal!
I don't know how anyone's jaw dropped in the finale when everything was so obvious, and ludicrous, from the start of episode 3. And if anyone thought, for a second, River would go with Frank, they didn't get River at all. I feel there was 0 tension regarding that.
In the beginning of the series River was just a mess with a lot of mistakes and wrong doings, but I like how he stood up for his mistakes and his owning up to it with all the sacrifices he has done. I can't wait for season 5,I have liked and subscribed to this page so please give us a heads up on the realise of season 5
In the video clips you show Lamb discovering the death of Bad Sam Chapman, NOT Marcus Longbridge. Chapman was Lambs last contemporary. We were first introduced to him as the Laundrymat contact.
Unless the books say something different. David Cartwright seemed like he had dementia and did not ever change his personality in the show.
1. Took me a whole season to realise that River's dad and Mr Smith (Matrix), is the same actor!!!
2. Favourite moment of the finale is when the hooded weirdo agent, saves that killer from Shirley, only to shoot him himself, a couple of seconds later...
I'm shocked that it's the same actor 😮
Well, I discovered him in the first episode in which he appeared and in his dialogue with River in the last episode I could appreciate that Huge Weaving likes to talk as slowly as Agent Smith does with Mr. Anderson. 😅
Hahaha same hiss name is Artem
JK Coe
If you want to learn the JK Coe “origin story” make sure to read Mick Herron’s book, “No One Walks”.
Everyone has their own point of view, but I’m stunned anyone entertains the possibility that David Cartwright is faking his dementia. In addition to the fact it’s been progressing for quite awhile over a couple seasons, his dementia being fake would be a gimmick so cheap as to ruin the show. Any writer who tried to spring that on us would be a coward. And these show-runners do not have a history of cowardice, either in SH or their other work.
IKR?! As if he'd fake it in front of River for a year. Ludicrous thought.
And there have been zero signs that MI5 was after David in any way, so where did that idea even come from?
I still don't understand what was the whole deal with the letters in the end. Can you explain that?
Harkness left the envelopes with the lady in the wheelchair when he visited her. it was his contingency plan for if he got caught in was put in jail. Each one was addressed to each of the heads of service and must have contained all of MI5s dirt secrets over the years and information they dont want to go public. His demands were to let him go within 12 hours or they would be made public online. Thats why he was so smug when Taverner visited him in jail, he knew he left the letters and wheel chair lady would let Lamb know and they couldn't risk those secrets getting out so they'd let him go. I think thats what is was at least (non book reader)
I believe Lamb and Diana went over this at Lamb's office. Frank has blackmail material (those letters) on various high ranking public officers in the UK gov't including Claude. Claude's letter, which Jackson and Molly read, says that if Frank is not released from jail w/n X hours, the electronic versions of these letters will be released online. Jackson says that this dirt absolutely cannot get out so Diana has to release Frank.. Diana also read the Claude letter and agreed basically immediately. This would explain why Frank kept saying to Diana in the previous scene that he would walk and she's just there to take his lunch order, because he knows that ultimately, whatever interogation Diana could do - would not out rank the dirt in those letters.
Harness's letters are evidence of corruption and dirty laundry within MI5 at the highest level. The outcome would be too scandalous and disruptive if the letters were ever made public. And there would be the inevitable government enquiry.
You wish
I knew Jackson would rescue the Horses
They're fuckups, but they're HIS fuckups
Honestly a little bit disappointed after finishing the whole season. It feels like some details are left out because they have to compress the whole story into 6 episodes. Death of Marcus is indeed unexpected, but it has nothing to do with the whole plot and it's executed for sake of "surprise". The fact that he has to gamble again to get his gun back is kinda ridiculous. He used to have a whole arsenal in the trunk of his car and now only a pistol left? The whole arc around him is so confusing in this season and I couldn't find any slice of redemption in it. Designing a character who just died abruptly with no development whatsoever is far from good writing.
The new agent Jason Kevin Coe in Slough House is also a bit out of character imo. As someone who previously worked in Psych Eval department, he's expected to make appropriate judgemental decisions. After talking Shirley Dander out of her rage and her attempt of killing the assassin, those who survived in Slough house didn't know Frank Harkness had already been detained. Why on earth would he kill the assassin rather than wait for other agents from the park so that they could interrogate him? Not that it could make any difference, but how the plot is carried out is far from what I expected from an agent like him. The writing has unfortunately undergone a noticeable downgrade.
You need to stop overthinking it. It is a great show and the bloke went out a hero. I think you think yourself as the worlds top critic. Well you’re not.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 What happens in reality doesn't have to be logical but in a good TV series it should be. You present a flawed character without any redemption arc and expect me to be emotional about his exit? No thanks. That's how a story deteriorates when it focuses merely on boosting your adrenaline instead of getting viewers hooked by good writing. I'm actually more intrigued to see how the new secretary gets back to the park and blackmails first desk than Marcus' plot.
I love the show and can still be critical of how they finished up. Frank, with a supposed get out of jail card still puts a grenade into Rivers hood. The gun story would have made more sense if Marcus had just beat the dancing gun runner up instead of winning at the bookies, that it happened off screen made me think he'd made a mess getting his gun back and that would need resolving. Shooting the handcuffed assassin would have made more sense imo if Lamb or Shirley shot him. Even with all of the above I still enjoyed it but it did try to pack alot in, I'd have liked a longer epidode or an extra one, shame the Saudi's got away scot free in the end lol. Loved Ho thinking he was dying and was going to bleed out from a scratch.
Also, streaming has spoiled me, the episode a week drop is brutal!
Loved all 4 seasons! Looking forward to to the next one. Gary Oldman is outstanding.
You have a valid point there
Thank you
I hope the saw guys get their hands on the Dad.
They were total amateurs. One guy taking out 4. Amateur hour
Never neat, just like life.
Who is the billionaire threatening Frank ?
Just a client who hired him to assassinate a rival. It really doesn't matter, it's a mcguffin
loved it best season
I don't know how anyone's jaw dropped in the finale when everything was so obvious, and ludicrous, from the start of episode 3.
And if anyone thought, for a second, River would go with Frank, they didn't get River at all. I feel there was 0 tension regarding that.