The Triple Union Flag | The case for a new Australian flag
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- The Triple Union Flag is a simple yet unique flag design which preserves the most distinctive aspects of the current Australian flag while giving it powerful new symbolism and meaning.
This video outlines the reasons why the Australian flag should be changed and officially proposes the Triple Union Flag as a potential new national flag of Australia.
For more information about this flag design, please visit our website:
www.tripleunionflag.com/
Chapters:
00:00 Why change the flag?
03:41 A new flag
08:11 The Triple Union Flag
11:01 The flag explained
18:29 The flag in practice
22:44 Conclusion
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Changing the Australian flag is a topic that deserves greater consideration than this video alone provides. Comments have been kept open to allow for civil discussion on this matter. Before commenting, please consider reading our in-depth explanation of the case for a new Australian flag: www.tripleunionflag.com/why/
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If this comes to a vote I’m voting for the current Australian flag or the red ensign!
God Save The Queen of Australia! 🇦🇺 🗳
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It’s missing the symbol from the Torres Straight flag.
Support new Republic of Australia flag
a perfect example of overthinking things
10/10 response. The best summarized and most effective response to the entire argument yet. Bravo
A lefty with too much time on their hands.
Absolutely, just because a lot of thought went into this video doesn’t mean it’s good. I don’t like the current Australian flag either, but the flag in this video is very divisive. A new Australian flag should have neutral symbols all Australians can get behind & not any explicit symbolism of aboriginal or white Australians.
Your'e just not a thinker.
I support Australia having its own flag however the colours clash on this design and it suffers from the problem of dividing Australians into 3 groups. Even according to the explanation given in this video, the background colours represent different groups of people. So it is a divisive design. No divisive flag can suitably represent any nation which is supposed to be united.
I Agree, which is why I like the Golden Wattle flag
I don’t see it as divisive when it is represented in its full form, but when it is in it’s shield form, I feel the whole point of unity is lost. It becomes a shield that implies the custodians and colonists are valued more than those who come after.
@@bournettanmapping8762 bleach.. the Gaw flag looks like corn on the cob sliced open and i fckn hate maze.
It has got its own flag.
Still, it can't be denied that Australia was one of the colonies of the British Empire and the rest of the independent countries who broke away from it had their own flags. The current flag of Australia had become a butt of jokes because it was compared with New Zealand's flag, which had the same Southern Cross design
Great thought went into the flag and we like how the design can be changed around for the shield idea and other official flags. But we also think there are a number of issues.
1. The black and blue have very poor contrast.
2. Changing the Commonwealth Star to 8 points means the flag has three different star designs (5, 7 and 8 pointed stars) and this makes the flag more complicated and confusing.
3. The stolen land symbolism is highly divisive.
4. It doesn't have a canton but the upper hoist is still the most prominent part of the flag and therefore the Aboriginal placement still gives them superiority over the other two groups.
Thank you for the kind words and thoughtful feedback on this flag design. We very much appreciate it. We would like to take this opportunity to address the concerns that you have raised about the design of the Triple Union Flag:
1. The decision to place black and blue fields next to each other is a compromise between ideal flag design, simplicity and recognisability. While it is not ideal to place these colours next to each other due to their tendency to appear too similar to the human eye, separating these three sectors with more design elements would overcomplicate the design. Alternatively, choosing different colours for the flag (such as a lighter blue) would undermine the clear connection between the Triple Union Flag and existing Australian flag designs. The chosen blue for this flag is Pantone 286C which is the brightest and most saturated blue colour of the standardised colour system. Provided manufacturing and printing protocols recognise the need for appropriate contrast between black and blue, and are tailored to achieve this, the choice of colours in this flag should not be a major concern. Indeed, several other official flags, such as the flag of South Sudan and the Torres Strait Islander Flag, are designed with blue and black fields placed next to each other. As a proof of concept, the Triple Union Flag has been manufactured with accurate reproduction of its colours. You can view images of this flag on our Instagram account: instagram.com/tripleunionflag/
2. The design of the Triple Union Flag divides the Australian Flag into three distinct sectors to represent three different groups of people. Changing the number of points of the stars in this design, so that each sector contains unique stars, is a deliberate design choice to achieve this effect. There is only one difference between the stars of the current Australian Flag and the Triple Union Flag - a single point added to the largest star. This simple change can hardly be considered to be overcomplicating the design, especially given that the Union Jack, arguably more complicated on its own than any part of the design of the Triple Union Flag, is not a feature of this alternative Australian Flag design.
3. It should be noted that the symbolism of stolen Indigenous land is only one aspect and possible interpretation of the design of the Triple Union Flag. Nevertheless, this symbolism does not represent a controversial ideology but rather a historical fact. This is in contrast to the Union Jack in the canton of the current Australian Flag which is an intentionally designed symbol of the superior might of the British Empire. The oppression of First Nations people, and the dispossession of their lands, directly informs the reality of present-day Australia. The fact that acknowledgement of this reality is seen as divisive, while representations of colonial and post-colonial history remain unchallenged, suggests that it is an inadequate comprehension of Australian history, rather than the design of this flag, that is to blame for this divisiveness.
4. The design of the Triple Union Flag seeks to disrupt the form of the current Australian Flag which implies superiority of that which is contained in the canton on the upper hoist side of the flag. It is this flag design element, and not simply the placement of symbols in the upper hoist side of the flag, which has this specific connotation of superiority. As First Nations people are the descendants of the first Australians, the placement of the sector that represents them in the upper hoist side of the flag rightly grants them special recognition. However, it does not imply superiority - certainly not, at the very least, in the same way as the canton does in the current Australian Flag. The Triple Union Flag is a symbol of unity that is based on the convergence of three sectors at equal angles. Unlike the canton in the current Australian Flag, which can be easily replaced with another flag or symbol, the sectors of the Triple Union Flag are distinct yet related elements of a larger whole that only make sense within the form they create when combined together. No one sector in the Triple Union Flag can be considered to be superior to another.
@@tripleunionflag Thanks for your detailed response! Despite some of our criticisms, we like this flag overall, it's certainly very striking! Best of luck getting the flag out there and promoting it to the people of Australia. G'day, mate!
@@tripleunionflag Why not add a white border between the parts of the flag so it follows the rule of tincture?
@@tripleunionflag There's nothing unique about the Aboriginal experience (of being a conquered human group). Unnecessary politically correct/"woke" pandering and symbolism won't change anything.
What's your attitude towards every American you meet; whether from the USA, Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Argentina etc etc? Do you state their flags are "inappropriate" for not having some symbolic reference in recognition of conquered inhabitants? What about two other famous examples of this same premise like Turkey & Japan? What would you say to a Turkish or Japanese person regarding their flags?!
@@tripleunionflag just about any country is made up of stolen land
Fun facts: The only British Overseas Territory flag that doesn't have the Union flag is Gibraltar! The flag was adopted in November 1982 and is based on Gibraltar's coat of arms, granted by Royal Warrant from Queen Isabella I of Castile in July 1502! The castle represents its status as a strategic fortress, while the key represents Gibraltar being the key to the Mediterranean. And while Anguilla's flag has the Union flag, the shield on the flag is based off the Three Dolphins Flag during the brief time that Anguilla was its own country called the Republic of Anguilla in the 1960s (basically Anguilla kicked out St Kitts police and voted to leave St Kitts to be their own colony, then voted to become a republic, and finally the UK sent 300 troops).
I definitely agree that the Seychelles flag stands out. That, Kiribati, Bhutan, Kazakhstan, and Barbados are my top five favorite country flags. The oblique bands of the Seychelles flag symbolize a dynamic new country moving into the future. Blue depicts the sky and the sea that surrounds the islands, yellow symbolizes the sun, red symbolizes the people and their determination to work for the future in unity and love, white symbolizes social justice and harmony, and finally the green depicts the land and natural environment that makes the Seychelles famous.
It's been a while since I have seen a comment from you. And apparently the algorithm brought us both here. Cheers
The Anguilla flag is so breathtakingly awesome, it's a shame it's not used or more well known.
Exceptions exist, man, but the video refers to the majority of British Overseas Territories such as Montserrat, British Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos, Pitcairn Islands, and Falkland Islands
Also, Cook Islands, part of the NZ realm, had similar designs too to Australia's flag except the stars are encircled together
I approve it ❤
I watched a half-hour video on another country's flag and I'm so happy
The flag at 6:08 is the most appropriate one I have ever seen.
It truly represents all sides of politics in Oz.
Golden comment award for you
Including the question mark?
@@onedaysoon3 think they are talking about the ☹️ flag, not the ❓ flag (which is at 6:10 not 6:08)
A flag is NOT supposed to represent politics
@@petephone9353 Absolutely right !
But flags do tend to blow with the wind.
My thoughts are that this flag is much too busy and complicated. The colours jar. I believe we need to follow the Canadian (and other modern) examples, which simply present one stylised symbol of the country. This symbol should bring no historical garbage with it, and be something new that all Australians can adopt and rally around.
I also find it interesting that the conservatives among us who want to preserve “the flag our soldiers fought under” are in error. Our soldiers (may God bless them) fought under the red ensign, which is the same design as the present flag, but RED not blue.
The yellow on the Timor-Leste flag (by the way: Timor comes from timur which means east in Malay and Leste means east in Portuguese, so its name is literally East East) not only represents the independence struggle but also the traces of colonialism in the nation's history, as in the yellow found on the Portuguese flag. And the Mauritanian flag originally didn't include red! Between 2011 and 2017, Mauritania and Jamaica were the only two country flags without red, white, or blue. But under a referendum which also abolished the Mauritanian senate, both the flag and the anthem were changed. The anthem was changed to...Diet 20th Century Fox. Libya also once had a flag without red, white, or blue but that changed in 2011. So it's just Jamaica now.
Another iconic flag is the DPRK flag! The red of the flag symbolizes the bloodshed by the Korean patriots and the invincible might of the people firmly united to support the Republic. The white symbolizes one land, one language, one culture of a monoethnic country, which has lived in purity. And blue stands for the gallant visage of the people and symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people fighting for world peace and progress.
Under all three names Timor-Leste is most commonly referred to, it translates to East East (that being East Timor, Timor-Leste and Timor Timur)
@@biponacciin spanish is Timor oriental
I see you everywhere whenever I watch a video about countries and flags
Lots of criticism in the comments. I feel like the flag is being held to standards that not even popular flags can stand to . In all honesty I love it, strong symbolism and really thoughtful design. A shame it doesn't seem to have gotten much traction.
It will one day
It’s getting criticism because it’s an absolute disgrace of a design. It’s probably the only proposed Australian flag that somehow manages to piss off *every* ethnic group on the continent.
The video keeps reiterating how the flag supposedly symbolises unity… and then goes on to show how divisive it is in every aspect of it.
@@KasabianFan44 Bro, that is misinterpretation of the flag, man. The flag tells the story of Australia's diverse people and how they came to be to form what is Australia today.
Let's do a little experiment, alright?
Try to draw a circle with its center in the intersection of the three sectors of the said flag, which would now become a pie, and each one of those sectors/slices represent one of the key chapters in Australia's history. Now, you try to take out one to two slices out of the graphical pie, you will then have the remaining slices not forming a complete circle at all, meaning to say, taking out any of the slices can mean that you don't sincerely acknowledge the key part of Australia's history
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Your “experiment” is the lamest analogy I have ever read mate. Do you even know what an _experiment_ is? You’re basically saying “the three *separate* slices of the history pie represent unity” - essentially repeating what the video said (thanks mate, but I was able to watch the video all by myself), but not providing any concrete explanation of how this unity is represented on the flag. They are just three random events, and you could argue that history itself is what brings them together - but this flag most certainly doesn’t.
As for the “white border” thing - this doesn’t even make any sense. Three separate pieces are three separate pieces, whether they have a white line between them or not. This is nothing but your personal interpretation of what counts as “divisions”, and trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. Nice try bud. I sure hope you never become a journalist, because that’s just not how facts work.
And to answer your question about the golden wattle flag - yes, it’s miles better compared to this abomination. It’s definitely not my favourite, but I’d still much rather have that as my flag. Hell, I would even rather keep the current flag than switch to this thing.
Oh and the comment about “me being the only pissed one” is a hilarious lack of self-awareness. I’m pretty calm here, just expressing my personal opinion. Meanwhile, you just sent me no fewer than FOUR angry replies to my comment, in which you sound genuinely offended at what I said. Lol. What a hypocrite.
@@KasabianFan44 Look, I am really sorry for what happened earlier. I think your idea of the Golden Wattle may also work for the new Australian flag, but I think it would also help to make it co-official next to the Triple Union Flag with better tweaking of the colors next to it such as the other official flags Uruguay has apart from the National Pavilion one
I feel like if you need a 26 min. long video to explain the meaning of the flag design, maybe its a little overcomplicated. Combining elements of old flags seems to be a dead end for a truly unique and contemporary design. I personally think the golden wattle design is really good! Since those are the national colors, why not take a fresh approach and create something entirely new.
> 26
Australia Day reference
personally i dont feel any connection to it at all it feels like it's from a foreign nation
But I like Australia's current flag, tho.
Ironically, while discussing misintepretting flag symbolism, you misinterpreted an aspect of the South African flag. While its understandable why you'd assume the red, white and blue section of the flag represents the dutch flag, it doesn't. It represents both the (dutch) Afrikaners and the British. The red was deliberately chosen to be neither the dutch nor the British red for this purpose.
This is true, but the design is still deliberate in a way. It's clearly related.
it's also ugly as sin.
@@croweater6814 na it's pretty nice
@@croweater6814Go cry about it. We like the flag and it was voted the 5th most liked flag in the world.
@@croweater6814 Aren't you the same guy who said stuff about the flag for Australia?
Over two years and the flag is still the same. I love my country 🥲🥲🥲
could change in the near future tho..
Cheers 🍻
@karlosdeevs Why? I don't want it to be banned like South Africa's previous flag is nor would I want it removed from the UN headquarters.
First we need to find out what the people want. As a few thousand in a survey is not ALL Australians....
Shut the fuck up boomer.
@@BlackIndigenousPosse Learn some manners mate
@@alongsleep Haha, you just outed yourself as an old turd clinging to the vestiges of colonialism. You're old. You're disgusting. You voted against same-sex marriage because your pathetic 2,000-year-old book of desert mysticism vaguely suggested that you do so. I hate old dinosaurs like you.
@@BlackIndigenousPosse You sound like someone with no idea who they are.
@@alongsleep What's the matter, boomer? Are you getting mad? Is steam coming out of your ears?
Your whole generation is a joke. All you know how to do is start wars and be mad at immigrants.
I admire the thought which has gone into this, but the most important thing that a flag must do is inspire a sense of patriotism, and I get no such feeling looking at this, it just looks like a bunch of different flags thrown together. Yes, the southern cross is absolutely required on any new flag for Australia, and yes, aboriginal representation must equally be a part of it. But the Australian Colours are green and gold, and a new flag must represent that. There are many ways that the aboriginal peoples can be represented without just sticking the aboriginal flag on the design, which is effectively what this does, despite the claiming that the red represents the red ensign. A new flag needs to harmonise the aboriginal people with the later settlers, and be something that everyone can stand behind. I think this keeps the divide between the peoples, just says they are both represented, which hardly seems much better.
If you think abos need to be "Represented" on the Aussie flag, you are a conquered, demoralised person, and your view is illegitimate.
You people have gone nuts. Just give them a piece of land and let them run things over there themselves.
It does for me...
A change of the flag Should be a Referendum, let all 25 million of us choose to see if the flag should change or not
swear it was 23 mil a min ago
As a British person I tend to advise against referenda these days... I have posted an alternative idea in the comments that features the map of Australia if you want to take a look. But IMO in the Blue Ensign, the Aboriginal flag and Torres Strait Islander flag you have 3 great national flags!
Tremendously well researched and presented argument from a symbolic standpoint. From an artistic point of view I'm slightly less convinced but ultimately that is just a personal opinion anyway. It might just be a case of 'getting familiar with it'. Very impressive.
it places an ethnic group in the canton, it fails a point one at what it set out to achieve
@@croweater6814 The Canton is traditionally rectangular, which this flag clearly doesn't use.
Instead it's dedicating only a quarter of the flag to represent the indigenous people, another quarter for the colonial rule and a full half on equal standing with the others as the present & future of all Australians.
It's honestly quite ingenious.
Perhaps it could be reversed, with the star layout flipped so it's not a mirror image, with the Blue half along the mast shaft and the other quater's on the other side.
This would prioritise the present and future of all Australians while keeping the intent of the design in place.
It would also form the more typical Unity shape with the lateral line pointed away from the Mast.
That revision ought to satisfy your point of objection I believe, yes?
@@soulsurvivor8293 considering indigenous people are one ethnic group and comprise 3% of the population in a multicultural society. And the disc is in the position of prominence, I stand by my statement.
An 'artistic point of view' is not merely personal opinion to any other than those who know nothing about the subject.
Divide and rule, even embossed on the proposed 'new' flag. 🤦🏻♂️
Someone certainly found a way to keep themselves busy during the pandemic!
A great design convincingly presented. Well done!
Hadn't heard of this until today. The algorithm is so weird. What happened to make this appear in my feed randomly? (not complaining) 👍
As from graphic designer perspective, I really loved how you explained the Australian triple union flag design, functionality, uniqueness, secrets, meaning of colors, symbols, alignment, size everything in detail! If you designed this flag by yourself, than you're a very talented, unique, hard working and very open designer! 👏🏻👏🏻🇦🇺
Man, do you really think that to use five colors for a flag is a good idea?
What king of a graphic designer are you?
Anything that requires that much crushing and twisting around to 'explain' is not good design. Are you his mum by any chance.
@@1977ajax It's still interesting
@@_blank-_ Matter of opinion. As a professional designer, it's rubbish design.
@@1977ajax I mean all of the 'professional designers' that made the possible NZ flag redesigns ended up making what were basically boring corporate logos
I never thought of using text to make a flag, but the fact that you can communicate the design with [:
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It's absolutely unrecognizable as a ASCII symbol
Its not well though out. Its an ugly design with some backwards reasoning.
so your racist? this flag is actually really good for recognition and reconciliation. @@FekDindad-xy9vz
@@FekDindad-xy9vz If you don't like it, why don't you just ignore it?
As an Australian with indigenous blood, my father being Aboriginal, we Wiradjuri mob... I must say, this 'Triple union flag' is awful... I, myself as an Aboriginal man, I don't have an issue with the current flag, nor do anyone in my family, I feel, in my own opinion, changing the flag just leads to further segregation and division. But if this will help bring us ALL together so be it.
You spent almost 10 mins in the video slagging off the meaning of having the UK in the canton and following old colonial traditions... But then you've kept the colours & put the sun and black up in the canton, no sense has been made... If you're going to get rid of the Union Jack all together you're going to have to get rid of the blue too. The blue isn't Australia's colour. Neither the blacks or the whites, it was a background expenditure of the Scottish St. Andrew Satire. The southern cross isn't unique to us either, I'd drop that too..
The only people the new flag needs to incorporate, is Aboriginal People of this Great Southern land and Australians, that's it. I'm not being racist but why would we need a flag to represent the world or immigrants? No one does it for us. Immigrants that come to Australia become Australians anyway through citizenship, the flag will be theirs once they become Australian. And, if they're born here to immigrant parents, then they're Australian by birth anyway...
I'd propose a horizontal tricolour flag of 'Green, white and gold with a red sun and black beams in the centre', representing the indigenous peoples gathered around the sun at a meeting place. Any idea is an idea.
Australia's colours are Green and Gold.... Green on top, Gold on the bottom, Separate them by white (white is a colour of Peace.. Peace between the two)
Aboriginal colours are Black, Red & Yellow... Red & black sun in the centre of the flag ontop of the white background... Yellow and Gold are fairly similar the gold could represent both nationalities.
Seeing as we are still a constitutional monarchy we keep the original Australian flag as a Royal flag only. Basically what Canada has done.
Again, this is just my idea. No matter what change is done, you're not going to please everyone. Unless we all work together there is going to be division and segregation in this country and for and we can't keep blaming colonisation, something that happened over 200 years ago. We aren't a colony anymore, the whites here today aren't the ones that colonised and the blacks here today aren't the nomad wanderers the colonisers thought we were. It's upto us, today to start unifying as ONE.
If you took the time to read this, thank you for reading and understanding.
you are making a Indian flag copy
@@CheeseyBoi10 Well no, India's flag is saffron (orange) white and green... Australia's colours are gold and green.
Also, there are many flags that are similar in colours and designs, yet each flag is unique to that specific country..
India and Niger share and almost identical flag, Ireland and Côte d'Ivoire do also.. They all have the exact same colours.. Where my proposal would be more along the lines of say Sucumbíos of Ecuador or Sesquilé of Colombia.. The gold would be more of a darker yellow than orange.
Interesting proposal! My only problem with tricolours, whether vertical or horizontal, is that they've pretty much been done to death, and feel like pretty much the most common design a flag could possibly go for, AKA France, Germany, Ireland, Peru, Nigeria, Bolivia, the Netherlands, Russia, Belgium, Argentina, India, Italy, etc, etc, etc. That's why I personally like the Triple-Union Flag, it's more than just a couple of colourful rectangles with an emblem on it, but I admit the symbolism in your proposed design does indeed hold weight!
¿Why not just use The Eureka Flag?
Edit: Okay now I'm really starting to like this
The Eureka flag has an established meaning, which would be diluted by using it as a national flag. Same issue with the Aboriginal flag. We would be much better off designing an entirely new flag that has no other purpose than representing Australia.
@G G our current flag is a British Blue Ensign, defaced, something Britain used all over their empire. It's not ours, it's a symbol of British colonialism, it is most definitely broken as a national symbol of Australia.
@G G changing to an Australian flag would force our population to see ourselves as Australian, instead of British.
@G G Many do. Or at the very least, they see Australia and Australians as "of Britain". They hold British History, or the myth of that history, as sacred. They love having Britain as the main feature of our national flag. Even among those who want a new flag, there are a disturbing number of people who want to keep "British History" as the main feature. Our culture has some serious issues concerning racism! And apathy and ignorance, which may be the reason you laughed at my comment?
@@bcoo111, We should also get rid of the British monarchy as the British royals were responsible for the massacres and biological warfare of the Aboriginals with the openly racist and draconian White Australia Policy (WAP). Captain Cook landed in Botany Bay in April 20th 1770 by using Terra Nullius, "land belonging to no one" to claim it as colonial property of the British Empire under the British Crown. Many different Aboriginal tribes with various cultures and languages have been living on the Australian continent for more than 30,000 years. A republic needs to acknowledge Australia's brutal colonial past and reconcilate with the First Nation people's by signing one or several peace treaties.
I adore this flag and resonate with the arguments put forward. As a Aussie vexillographer I believe this flag is the most common sense option x creative.
i only have one issue with this flag and that its that it seperates the groups of people in australia, even in the recent one word national anthem change they changed the word "young" to "one" and thats because we arent trying to seperate eachother, we are trying to come closer together and just realize we are all the exact same, Australians.
They changed that word from young to one because this land that you live on has a 40000+ history of the oldest continuous culture on earth. Not so young after all.
At first I thought is was very unappealing, but the more I look at it, the more I can appreciate it, if given the choice, I would change it
Bruh same
@@maxhelman6415 bruh same x3
Same I was like mmm I don’t really like it but it grew apon me
bruh same
To me it is a separation of the groups rather than combination of all.
First Australian, second Australian, third Australian, I am not happy with these terms.
Always focus what we got today and Lest we forget.
New Zealand almost chose The Laser Kiwi Flag. Maybe Australia should do a Laser Emu flag.
"Our battle will be legendary"
Nah
Great video supporting a messy and busy design. It gives a good point that the new flag should not be a redisign of the old one and then brigs a proposal which is a redisign. Then the symbolism of the elements is randomly chosen (seven continents, five oceans). Instead on basing the form on the symbolism it needs to present, here the symbolism adapts to the chosen form. It also resembles Nepalese flag, but that's the least of its sins.
I like the Triple-Union Flag personally, but how the hell does it resemble Nepal?
You say that replacing the Union Flag in the canton with the Aboriginal Flag should not be done, as superiority would simply be transferred from one group to another. Then you proceed to do precisely that. Angling the division line makes no difference, the flag still has a canton.
Nah. A canton is another flag pasted onto a flag in the corner. The Aboriginal sun is an integral part (nearly a third) of the flag itself.
@@MrAronymous You are incorrect. A canton is an emblem placed at the top left corner of a flag. It does not have to be a flag in its own right.
You are right.
While the yellow sun on the black clashes a bit for me, everything ls about the flag is amazing, and god, those civil and miitary naval and air ensigns go hard.
I agree, the civil and military and a sea flag look really good
I prefer the one we currently have. Maybe because I am patriotic for europe despite the fact I live in australia but idk
The first flag at 1:00 is not Colonial Maldives flag, but the flag of British Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
so if the National Flag is changed and apparently representing 'all' cultures, will the Ab flag and TSI flag be abolished? So my question would be, 'why should the ANF be changed and still fly the other 2?
In your mission to create a flag that ‘unites’ Australians, you have ironically done the complete opposite. The mere visual compartmentalisation of the groups represented on your design, is an immediate undeniable visual message of disunity, not to mention that your symbolism and overall design are unnecessarily complex. The doctrine that every group of people must be directly represented on a national flag or else the flag is invalid, is a fundamentally misguided thought. A national flag, particularly one belonging to a country as diverse and as vast as Australia, must use the most absolute abstract symbolism possible and must never incorporate the standards associated with specific sub-populations. A notable example of a flag done right is the national flag of India, which represents over 1.3 billion people, 700+ unique ethnicities, and over 100 recognised languages. The Indian flag is composed of only a tricolour of green, orange, and white with a blue wheel in the middle, yet it is an iconic and memorable design 🇮🇳. Another notable flag is that of China, which represents a population of over 1.4 billion people composed of many different unique ethnicities and languages, using only a field of red and 5 gold stars in the canton 🇨🇳. Perhaps the most notable is the flag of Russia, which represents 18% of the entire world’s landmass, over 110 million people, and 23 autonomous republics with only a tricolour of blue, white and red 🇷🇺.
@@davis7099 You can integrate "identity politics" into your flag in an aesthetically pleasing way. For example, India 🇮🇳 has green for the Muslims, orange for the Hindus and white to symbolize peace. Similarly, Ireland 🇮🇪 has green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants and white for peace. There's also South Africa 🇿🇦 which is a mix of the African 🇯🇲 and Dutch 🇳🇱 colors.
But this "Triple Union Flag" is just ugly and cluttered.
First of all, it makes sense for India's flag. But China and Russia? Dude, the former represents the authoritarian CCP, the government that is currently screwing up China itself and has a past association with the old USSR. Also, about Russia's flag, it was even older before the USSR and is not unique at all. It was even the flag of the old Russian Empire too and the blue, white, red are used by other Slavic nations such as Serbia, Croatia, and oh, get this, Slovakia and Slovenia (they sound too similar) had the same color pattern too like Russia's, only with different coats of arms on them. Exceptions still do exist such as Bosnia or Montenegro.
@@_blank-_ Wait till you see the older South African flag, eh? Or, the blue circle in Brazil's flag
this was a great assessment on why Australia needs to change its flag and how should be done. while i completely agree with all the symbolism i cant help but feel like the main aesthetics of the flag could do with some work as the colours dont seem to work well with each other and its kind of hard to look at. other then that its a great video
Conquering the world is epic and we should be proud of it.
@@lightningfun6486
Cry me a river you fragile sissy! 50.000 years of aboriginal settlement and no cities, no streets, no agriculture, nothing! 200 years of European settlement and it's turned into one of the richest countries with one of the highest standards of living. If you think civilization doesn't and shouldn't come at a price, you don't deserve to share its fruits.
@@shantyclips6358 wow ur gay
@@remrod4718
U can't handle the truth...
@@shantyclips6358 us brits love you aussies. i hope you dont change the flag🇦🇺🇬🇧✊🏻
Do the stars represent the six states and the big one under the union nsw being the largest state and first established under British
It had the Irish flag up there as people not represented on the Australian flag but it is the red x on the union flag is the st patricks cross representing Ireland pre independence
Litterally no one in Ireland or even any of the overseas diaspora want anything to do with the st. patrick’s cross, it‘s something the brits came up with in the late 18th century in order to fit their flag for the 1800 act of union. It is personally sth. completely outlandish and has nothing to do with being or feeling irish in a sense as many coin it: “a british invention for a people who never used it”. Ya might as well link it to old age Spain for all the good it ever did..
la agreed! The Celtic cross is the real st patricks cross!
@@karlosdeevs still represents the 6 counties in the north unfortunately
I don't support changing the flag and before you say I'm racist I am a aboriginal man and I love that flag I don't care about colonial stuff the flag represents all Australians including my people
I'm surprised but happy to hear that. May you be blessed👍🏼
That was very interesting. Thanks for making the video.
I'm from the US and wish our flag could change. I was a child of 6 or 7 seeing the flag-draped caskets of the troops returned from Vietnam on the tv so I have never felt good about the flag. Maybe taking pride in our astronauts would have helped, but then I quickly learned about President Nixon lying about the war and the flag came to symbolize a killing machine. That conviction settled in my mind long before I learned about the deaths of the non-Americans in our wars.
Bruh
Interesting contribution where your explanation of design principles that pertains to all flags I found illuminating. Thank you. Like most good designs there is a need for simplicity, which requires discarding certain features that may have historical importance to certain sections of Australian society. No easy task. But the conversation is important.
And not one individual has thought at least of a better idea for the alternative for the new Australian flag
Excellent and well thought out. I like it; but, I think it would be better if the radii, or division lines, are equal in length (to create a full circle). Of course, this would mean moving the yellow sun, and the eight-pointed start closer to the lines. This will also lessen the negative space and be more visually appealing. I would simplify the meaning of the flag to represent the founding peoples, colonial history, and modern Australia.
Sorry to disagree but this design is appalling and no amount of marginal redesign will turn this turkey into a masterpiece.
you can do all that and the first nation would still complain
@@brendonrookes1151 And Europeans would too 🤷♂️
I'll never give up our Union Jack.
Good for you.
But how is that relevant when you are not the nation of Australia?
A good question is, why?
@@danieleyre8913 I am Australian!
@@aguy6771 But you’re not Australia.
You can sit there and type that and even back it up with action, but it won’t make any difference to Australia the nation changing the flag.
@@danieleyre8913 Im a single part of a Big Nation, every little bit counts, where are you even from to comment on such a thing?
I have 2 issue should not the federation star be the same as the one on the coat of arms and since we have yellow on the flag could it not be the same for federation star or all stars be yellow or wattle gold.
Why would the Civil Air Ensign have the Royal Australian Air Force roundel on it?
Also the section representing Indigenous Australians is still in the canton of the flag.While personally I don't see that as an issue (like how I also don't see having the Union Jack there as an issue) you mentioned that you believe it is a problem in your previous statements on both the Union Jack and the Indigenous Australian Flag being used themselves as cantons, so how is that any different.
I like the flag, it's a good design, and if it ever were to become official, it would be fine in my eyes. Tho I wouldn't actively campaign, since I think the current Australian flag works fine as well.
I like the Australian flag as it is.
It literally has another countries flag on our flag it literally has no creativity. We need a flag that represents every Australian, not just British Australians, every Australian like Dutch, Chinese, Greek, French and etc
@@Shadoww844Hawaii has a union jack in their flag & they love it. Also, there are 3 other countries with a union jack: New Zealand, Fiji, and Tuvalu. Tuvalu tried changing their flag before, but it got backlash, so they changed it back. The only reason Hawaii isn't a country is because of the USA.
WTF Where’s the section that represents the the British which has helped creat the country we have ????
That's why the Australian flag is perfect as is.
@@alongsleep it is perfect. it may look generic but so does the us flag and that is iconic. so is australias. any change would ruin it.
@@Eureka2003 thats your opinion. speak for yourself.
Exactly, this is woke bullshit that wants to erase history. Represent everyone in Australia EXCEPT the Brits, fuck those guys... smh
@JohnDoe-yg2eu i think it looks good.
I don't think it's the most "beautiful" flag, but it's so meaningful and (given the Kiwi referendum) makes sense as not extremely divergent in symbolism while being distinct. It seems to me the reason for the NZ flag staying the same was the fern didn't have great symbolism so keeping the flag as is was seen as no worse than an uninspired design. I think the K shape of the left devices is extremely underrated and I think you do a wonderful job explaining its significance. After the Minnesota state flag there's a precedent for this lovely 'inverted' triangle. Some have said the canton still feels like it exists, and I agree but that just points to the meaning that the aboriginal people are the stewards of the land and should receive more rights to that end. Regardless, the juxtaposition of so much history in a complex but not overwhelming flag is extremely admirable; if I can teach a country's whole history from their flag that's pretty amazing!
I will miss the current Australian flag if it gets replaced, tho. I hope it doesn't get banned & treated the same way as the third German Reich flag or the pre 1994 South African flag. The Australian flag shouldn't be treated similarly to those 2 flags I just mentioned. It would also be sad to no longer see the current Australian flag 🇦🇺 at the UN headquarters anymore.
(hr-hmm) ... side note, at 3:25 -> the "Flag of Europe" has "...Union" missing in it. "Europe" as a whole is a diverse place, also beyond the EU...
Recognition of history is all well and good, but as others have pointed out, even creating a national symbol it’s best to not create one that flagellates one group while begging for an apology from the other. One might say “do it on your own time, not on the flag”.
An alteration to the design that I, and probably many others, thought of would be to set the sun in the center of the black and red fields and to have the eight pointed star set inside of it fully with its color split in half as the opposite of the fields they overlap (top half of the start inside the circle is red and the lower half is black). A reflection that though crimes of the past happened, not everyone even in the past committed them and that none today should ever commit them.
If the 🇦🇺 flag gets banned like the previous South African flag is, I will be sad.
As a American, I find this flag to be perfect for Australia, most of the previous alternate designs for an Australian flag has been un-stylish, and un-traditional. The flag promotes both Indigenous and colonial equality, My only critique is the idea of stolen land all land is "Stolen" and conquered but atlast, I understand the necessity.
It is stolen land and is recognised as such in Australia. We don't need an illinformed american sharing their illinformed views on a national topic. Bye bye now.
I also find it to be the perfect flag for America but replace the relevant parts, one for the native Indians, one for the Black Americans, one for the White Americans the one for the rest of who come to the United States of America. What you think?
@@user-jk8kn3ij8o The US doesn't need to change it's flag; it is unique, stands out among (most of) the others, and is recognizable without any confusion. Australia doesn't have those.
Wrong
As an American but out!
how do I make my own flag?🤔
I thought Australia is independent in 1986 as per Australia Act 1986?
1986 made it official, but self-rule began in 1901
Looks shit - means nothing. Sick of bending anytime someone gets upset. Keep the Australian flag and the aboriginal flag. Happy to see both flying side by side.
I agree with keeping both. Also, it's actually the best looking compared to the other ugly redesigns.
3:22 that is not the flag of Europe that is such a wrong statement. It is the flag of the European union, a trade union, that doesn't include every European country. Some of the mist important European countries are not in the EU
Hopefully Germany will he the next to leave #DEixt
Great contribution to an important conversation.
Maybe stick the 8 pointed star in the canton corner?
Thanks
The 2:1 ratio seems too long.
I think that 5:3 is best.
Yeah
1:φ is best
Eureka flag should be the only flag to replace the current.
The current flag should remain and be honoured until such time as there is a vote for Australia to become a Republic. The design is typical of the national flag of third world countries. The flag should not perpetuate the racial division of our population, we are one nation. The design should reflect the states and territories of Australia and include the Southern Cross.
I agree with your general thinking but why the southern cross ? It is already in the flag designs of at least a dozen other countries.
Canada’s head of state is also the Queen but they have a unique flag.
@@Andy-dh9tq Very True but Canada is historically very diverse than australia (who are mostly whites who emigrated from specifically from britain). Canada having their own international image came naturally so that’s what led to the change of Canada’s flag. It was done to satisfy The Natives + The French (who founded Canada). Besides that large portion of Italians, Irish, Portuguese, Eastern Europeans, East Asians, Blacks have emigrated to Canada early 1900’s ...that helped too. I’m not Canadian but I love the Canadian flag-it’s unique, bold & iconic !!
@@Andy-dh9tq Canada is run by idiots.
@@cheerbozz_unique, bold, iconic_ ... it's a leaf.
Good suggestion for a new flag. Sales pitch need to be far shorter. Five to ten minutes at the most.
If this turn into a countryball then the circle will turn into a patched eye
no no, have the left-eye colour be yellow
@@karlosdeevs bro has jaundice
@@Banbabna what about gout
Nah, it won't
@@karlosdeevs bro, please don't make it too disgusting, man
I like ensigns.
the only feature i think the flag ought to have is it should be in green and yellow
I think a paler red or blue would be better.
the flag we have is perfect
No, it is not. How is having another countries flag on our flag perfect? The Australian flag literally has nothing
Agreed. Ignore the haters.
@@Shadoww844Yes, it is. So what if it has another country's flag? Hawaii has another country's flag & they like it.
@@rabbidcrazy787 Mate, the Hawaii King liked the flag. There's history behind it. Meanwhile, a genocidal happened in Australia
@@Shadoww844 What does the genocide have to do with the current Australian flag? It's not intended to promote genocide or anything like that, unlike the German third Reich flag.
This is great. One edit I would make is to flip it where the southern cross half gets primacy and is placed on the left. This makes the present multiculturalism more important, while recognizing the history all the way to the first australians.
I think that would look a bit weird lol, and then u wouldn't have the cross in the fly which is iconic
Yes a very simple but good change I think. Do that and this is the flag I want for my country.
@@thegreypenguin5097 Iconic perhaps.
However as shown, if not explicitly stated, in the video; Many other southern nations use variations of the Crux in various locatuons of the fly of the flag.
Position our Crux across the Canton & fly under the Canton would be notably recognisable from other flags.
Additionally, the Y shape of Unity thats presently inverted in their layout would be reversed in the suggested layout.
This would make this Y shape be able to more widely be understood as it's traditional flag meaning of Unity.
It prioritises the present and future of all Australians in it's positioning while retaining the original designs intent and purpose.
Also consider that we easily could rotate the Crux 90 degrees left when hung like a banner, which also would be able to use the same Shield shape.
However with this variation we would include all three segments. The rotated Crux at the top with a squared diamond from the bottom tip divided in red and black with the circle and star respectively.
In such a shield design the Crux secion is maintained as the prominent and prioritised part, while also including the acknowledgement of our systems origins from the British systems through colonial rule.
While the black part of the diamond in the shield I hope would represent us as a nation to work with our indigenous communities to better our systems for everyone.
This minor alteration of segment positioning appears to embody the best solution to the most valid objections of the Videos designs.
I rather like it.
Edit: Might I add that I am, to some people's view, paradoxically a Labor Supporter and a staunch opponent to becoming a Republic.
I am majorly for the greater Commonwealth and a proud Imperialist. I believe the Greater British Empire can be reformed and used for the betterment of the world.
Yes, I am aware how much of an odd duck I am.
Being weirdly both rationally progressive in some aspects and oddly more extremely Conservative than most politically conservative parties in others.
Yeah... not what's considered to be the normal for most.
Great video, with so much thought put into the design, the symbolism and the variants. But the basic design has major issues: it's just ugly and disjointed - I don't think the various elements flow together in a unified whole. Blue and black don't look good together (this was the fatal flaw of the failed NZ flag, imho), white and yellow don't look good together, and this design has a circle and stars of three different kinds - that's just too much! Also, the blue section suggests an arrow pointing backwards, which sends a negative message, and the colonised land symbolism negates the possibility of treaty with Australia's First Nations.
Is there a collection somewhere of alternate Australian flags - so many whizzed by in this video and I want to know more!
Also, is there somewhere people can discuss designs and submit their own ideas?
>7 continents
I don't think many Antarcticans are migrating to Australia 🤧
Narrator: "Australia was the last continent to be discovered by Europeans"
Antarctica: Am I a joke to you?
He was supposed to mean last inhabited continent
Interesting and educational, I learned a lot. I'm from Canada, and of course the issues Australia are dealing with are pretty much entirely mirrored here. I'll be honest, I prefer the Golden Wattle design, but that's just an outsider's opinion. I'm interested to see what both Aus and NZ do going forward (if anything)
KANGAROO
he he
Is it any symbol that represents all the Australians as a country?
06:31 Just insert an emu with laser-shooting eyes where the British flag is today just like New Zealand has its laser-shooting Kiwis already.
i loved everything you said (and fantastic video presentation. stunning.), and I 100% agree with your reasons for changing the flag.
I really reeeeeally wanted to like the design. But in my lay opinion, I must confess that I did not... it just looks too design-by-committee.. that there are too many ideas (visually and what they represent) on one flag, and the effect of each idea is diminished.
I suspect to win over a population, it will need to be instantly striking, likeable, and easy to understand (even if there are multiple layers of meaning), and possibly something that people are already familiar and comfortable with. Kangaroos and green-and-gold are obvious examples, but I also somewhat agree with your reasons for dismissing them as not representing Australian people / history.
Anyway, I wish I could be of more help, other than saying that I truly hope that this movement gathers momentum, I'll always vote for a new flag over the existing one.
The Aviation and naval flags are very good designs.
And the golden wattle flag looks like the logo of a green energy company
Hi I love the triple union flag it could be used as a new ideology to unite the different people of countries.
Also what happened to the badge?
You're better off going with either one of these three or the kangaroo flag. One simple symbol is most recognisable. I'm Canadian, and we don't need a flag which represents every single group in this country. I'm fine with Australia keeping its flag though.
This is pretty impressive "marketing" but no amount of slick marketing fixes the problem of UGLY...
Your not use to it
It should be like Canada's emblem or as northern island's emblem or UK emblem
hahaha we are forgetting how many people died for our current flag :C
The canton does not represent superiority. It represents national unity. On the American flag, the canton is called the “union.”
Yet, the US replaced the Union Jack with stars symbolizing the US states when it gained independent. The Union Jack represents ownership. By having a Union Jack in the canton, Australia, New Zealand, other former colonies and current British territories show that they are still the property of the UK 🇦🇺🇳🇿🇫🇰🇫🇯
@@_blank-_ Very silly comment and obviously not true. It represents a historical connection. Even the US initially fought under a flag with the Union Jack in the canton. They were just butt hurt by the war and gave the finger by substituting for the stars and stealing a few "u"s from the language - but they still kept the British red, white, and blue. And they feel much better now. On a more serious note, it is amazing to me the rabid anglophobic bigotry given the supposedly "clawing" "British" so happily and peacefully transferred governance - for Australia in 1901. We should all think on Mel Gibson and remember how anglophobic bigotry is so often a leading indicator of mental illness.
And should not be a religious symbol such as the crescent..
Good thing there isn't a crescent on there
I like the national flag redesign but is it really okay with all the divisive symbols?
Regarding the other flags though, armed forces flags in the Commonwealth and European tradition always have the national flag in the canton. As you said, it is a spot reserved to show superiority and whatever the armed force might be, they are inferior to and under the nation itself. So a better alternative must be chosen.
The state flags offer a sense of unity. I mean look at Canada.. all provincial flags are different from each other. But with Australia, there’s this underlying sense that though the states are divided, they together follow one nation. Maybe all states can divide the flag as 3 vertical parts and keep the southern cross in the first vertical bar on the hoist side with the remaining 2/3rd reserved for the state badge
Dude, you're misinterpreting the actual symbols of the flag. They represent more than just the people, but also the history and its unique chapters that made Australia what it is today. So, try to draw a circle in the intersection point of all three sectors so you can see it much better
(The Triple Union Flag)
Posted this video in 2020 and and you didn't even make new video talk about more about triple Union Flag
I FUCKING LOVE FLAGS.
As an Australian I do really like this design but I’m a stickler for tradition and I believe we should have the union Jack in our flag so the design I’ve come up with uses the Eureka flag as a base has the union Jack in the top left corner the aboriginal flag in the top right the Torra straight Islander flag in the bottom left The Commonwealth Star as the centre star or maybe as all five of the points and in the bottom right I’ve just drown a southern cross but I’ve also thought of maybe having the coat of Arms or something but I caught the Australian multicultural flag not that I think we should necessarily change of flag in the first place but if we did I want want something with the Union Jack
Add a kangaroo ur over thinking this I am Aussie two and if I am going to vote for a flag when I am older it needs a kangaroo
The shield looks a lot like the grindr logo
Something the author of this video probably uses.
lol these comments😂😂😂
Lol, this flag looks like pac-man is trying to eat the Australian flag.
Doing a bit of colour swapping with the Greenlandic flag I came around to something like a black/blue flag with a yellow/red sphere, still feel like the colours contrast badly, but perhaps something like that would work, lob in the souther cross if you will.
Regarding the 7-point star representing the continents, i don't think Australia has any immigrants from Antarctica. Overall though, i like this design, especially in comparison to the current one.
I think most foreign countries would think changing Australia’s flag after her fighting men carried it through two world Wars is silly and disrespectful to the Veterans.
piffle - the current flag was formally adopted in 1953
Yeah, bring back the Union Jack as our flag, pounds & pence and chains as a measurement. And glad that the stupid queen is gone because our veterans fought for a King, the Union Jack and were paid in shillings. :)
I’m from a foreign country called New Zealand and no such illogical nonsense thought ever crossed my mind.
@@danieleyre8913 And the world cares so much what sheep island next door thinks that we let them speak for all the other countries of the world. So many times the worlds culture is changed by what the hobbits think.
@@danditto6145 Well the world cares about New Zealand and what we think as much as they do your country and what you think; where the world thinks that people ride Kangaroos and everyone is like Crocodile Dundee (or Steve Irwin). But then again maybe that’s a good thing for you that they aren’t more aware, imagine what they would think if they discovered how your country pretends that Aussie rules and rugby league are worthwhile and somehow good, how so many gamble people their lives away in it (and meth). just how bad you are at the brewing of beer and barbecue you declare you love so much, and how seriously you also take V8 Supercars. I mean do you imagine that Australia ever “changed the world’s culture”? Hahaha!
But on the actual topic: What you think makes no logical sense and is frankly childish. Nobody in any other nation would remotely think what you fantasise. You’re not even any nation that the rest of the world even associates with militaries nor with fighting in any wars. And the last thing any of your nation’s veterans cared about when they served (or sat in some Japanese POW camp) was its flag. A lot of those soldiers would’ve seen themselves as “British” anyway, especially during the First World War. Most of the other nations who fought in the war, and fought a lot more than Australia possibly could’ve, have changed their flags since. It’s an imbecilic thing to even correlate.
Gold on the hoist side, separated from the green fly side containing a gold southern cross by a black boomerang.
Looks ugly
Dude made an entire channel n youtube specifically just for the flag
Now you just have to talk about The Natiónal Anthem
"God Bless Australia"
@@revinhatol "God let all former-British colonies copy Britain's national anthem"
Yes it must be change to be clocer to god
@@Sam-zm5yy God??? Hmmmph.. Maybe...
@@angieroxy7550 let me guess atheist who hates catholics
That design is looks good change to it. Also change our Anthem to Waltzing Matilda what our Brave Soldiers March into battle! Who agrees
Australia needs to come up with MORE Patriotic Songs and not just Waltzing Matilda
"God Bless Australia"
What incoherent nonsense is this ? Aren't children taught grammar and intelligent sentence construction any more ? This is appalling.
nah i am you are we are australian
*cough* you forgot the Jervis Bay territory. ;)
It's claimed by Canberra
It's claimed by Canberra
U showed the British flag 1 do not see Wales dragon on the flag
I would prefer this to the current one, but would prefer the Golden Wattle one even more! I do like the shield though!
I‘d prefer the shield over Corned barf any day..
I prefer the current one to this one.
What if you put a kangaroo in the middle? It’s a unique symbol of all of Australia no matter your descent. It’s kind of like Canada with the maple leaf.
That's a sensible idea but a kangaroo is not symmetrical and very hard to draw.
@@Ggdivhjkjl exactly, haha. But i‘ll be happy if an alternate version of the new look can draw the kangaroo on a G+G flag.
Certainly a better idea than what was proposed here
I could go with this.
Although: Australia is a big place with different fauna.
Maybe include the emu aswell?
the only problem I have with this flag show the green colour you showcased yellow but not green and I do have a way to incorporate green into the flag the green will be shown in the sectors and in the middle of it will be a green circle and inside of the circle is the continent of Australia itself displaying that we share this land with peace and unity
Looking forward to the change.On A New Quantum Voting system that can't be corrupted