Rusty Team USA + Derrick White Replaces Kawhi OVER Jaylen Brown 👀 | The Hoop Collective
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN's Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to talk Kawhi withdrawing from Team USA, Derrick White replacing Kawhi, Jaylen Brown’s reaction to the selection, reactions to Team USA’s first scrimmage against Canada, updates on the NBA Cup and a much anticipated Cavs Corner.
0:00 Intro
2:14 Kawhi Withdraws From Team USA
11:25 Derrick White Team USA Selection
17:18 Team USA VS. Canada Scrimmage Reaction
28:53 NBA Cup Schedule Change
34:07 NBA Summer League Debuts
42:01 CAVS CORNER - Mitchell Extension
53:51 Thanks For Watching!
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Jaylen is right for feeling the way he does...What they did was Disrespectful.
I laugh every time Brian gets Bontemps worked up 😂
Bontemps was contemplating leaving the pod after he kept saying the USA teams defense was good lmao
19:27 Windy interrupts three times, so then Bontemps concedes. Then Windy does it AGAIN - all in 30 seconds.
Why even have guests if you have to control everyone's opinions? If he's like that on a public broadcast, imagine how he is at home with the entitlement of being breadwinner.
@@Earl_E_Burd haha yea. Windy was being a menace today. Bontemps got a taste of his own medicine for once haha
@@Yamisankev Yes, it feels wrong to be defending Bontemps but Windy's control freak been rampant lately
Jaylen Brown was the most sensible choice to replace Kawhi Leonard but then Nike got involved... shoe politics. 3 Celtics on Team USA and not one of them named Jaylen Brown 🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂🤦🏾♂.
Hahahahahaahhahahahaahahahahahahahahahah
AGAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA WHAT A MORON
The finals MVP is not one of 3 players on his team. That's so wild
There’s only two Celtics on team USA?
Edit: Forgot Jure Holiday was on the team
Actually it's Jaylen that got involved with his comments. He's paying the price for it now lol like MJ and Isiah all over again 😂😂
"it's about to be a ghost town in the Clippers stadium" 😂
The Clips should actually be pretty good.. IF they can get Kawhi on the floor for 60 games AND ready for the play-in
@@I.am_Grootkawhi getting 50 mil a year for court side tickets
45 win team in my opinion. Kawhis largest amount of games he’s played in a season for the clippers is 68. Harden and role players ain’t gettin it done.
@@I.am_GrootI can be rich IF I win the lottery
I believe you all do a disservice to the viewing audience by attempting to make a case as to why Jaylen Brown should be okay with the snub instead of pointing out the fault in the USA team of not selecting him as the reigning finals MVP
This is an espn podcast brother they’re going to push a narrative when they all know the real reason he’s not on the roster
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Bontemps made a very compelling case as to why white is the better fit for the team
i love jb but when putting a team together you gotta thinl about team chemistry. jb needs the ball to be effective derrick white doesnt. its that simple. its not a matter of whos better bc we all know jb > dwhite. but the weakness on team usa is the ability to guard small guards and dwhite helps with that.
Derek has been in the team usa framework for years. Jaylen hasn't. They have enough wings. They have only jrue who can cover guards and quick twitchy ones now and Derek fills the role. Derek has specialized now playing off ball. Jaylen can but needs to be on ball more often than not. This aint the all star game. There are legitimate organizational and team based reasons. But eh...what do you expect from casuals.
I'm afraid that Jaylen Brown is a victim of politics. If you don't play nice with the powers (masters) above, you get ostracized even if you just won finals MVP..
They have always hated him, even in the draft they said "he might be too smart to play basketball". They hate him cause he's smarter than them and doesn't play these games
Tatum is behind this
@@blablablaa14I wouldn’t call him smart but ok. Think he just has an annoying personality
@@user-ec9fs5zp2y ^ thinks he should just shut up and dribble.
Same for Kyrie!
Finally you talked about mitchell. Bontemps was dodging that L.
The excuse that White won’t complain if he doesn’t play is so weird. Why would Brown complain if he doesn’t get enough minutes? And if white doesn’t play what’s the point? If white is only going to get low or no minutes then having a better player in Brown makes little difference.
Yeah they acting like Brown would come in as a replacement and would be mad when Tatum plays ahead of him. Besides they weren't going to use Kawhi as the 12th guy. He was gonna be the 8th guy probably, so Brown could have def gotten that role. Everyone should play 20 minutes basically so the old people can keep running with the young guys and the US team utilizes their pace to beat teams because that's the biggest advantage the US team has. Its the only team fully used to NBA speeds and pace
...all he does is complain...the dudes a baby
He is complaining now about his own teammate
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Everyone is dancing around the nike thing. Jalen said since when does nike care about ethics and that’s why he’s not on the team. End of story
For MacMahon to call that a "conspiracy theory" is such a crusty, legacy media take. Or just being a bootlicker.
Where's the evidence of this? Half the team are non Nike athletes
Analysis on "better fit" only makes sense if you think star players don't know how to commit to a role, yes Derrick white is a great "role player" but if you want someone to do the things that D.White does why wouldn't you want a bigger, stronger, player who can do the same things if that's what you want him to do.
People need to separate nba and Olympics, people also need to stop thinking a star isn't also a role being played on a team, the dynamics that incentivize a player to be a "star" v "playing a role" differ when trying to make a contract and getting a gold metal alongside other people
Both are evil but entertaining, just sharing my 2 cents
They meant to say "we are bringing Derrick White in so we don't need to play him cause its already a problem getting people minutes". Honestly if they wanted a bench filler they should have let Cooper Flagg get that role
29:38 call it the Silver cup. Honor Adam silver and it reflects the tournament not being too important.
Wow, the way you all brushed off Jaylen Brown’s rage with not being picked is insane. He was snubbed , that’s a fact, not a conspiracy.
Fam it's really not as serious as you make it out to be. Derrick White is a better fit than Brown, or, if we're really being honest, Kawhi Leonard
I usually agree with the opinions on this pod but not thinking JB got snubbed and him not being able to feel some type of way is insane
Team USA shot 61% from the field. It's hard to say that's a horrible offensive performance. Yes, they opened the game porrly, and shot under par from 3, but they didn't play a bad game offensively. With that said, they definitely have room to improve.
good conversation as usual
To be fair Canada played very bad and it was still competitive SGA and Jamal both played bad
Great show today. 🤘😊
Kawhi washed yall letting that cyborg b.s joke cloud the fact he washed.
Love hearing about how these guys interpret players like Jrue & Steph playing together. Hope we see more of that type of analysis moving forward.
Given KL injury history there is no way I would have chosen him over JB anyway. From the time KL was announced for the team I knew it would not end with him playing for long anyway.
Been sort of surprised that people are really pressed about the Jaylen brown ‘snub’
He honestly should’ve been selected before Kawhi to begin with-this is a star studded roster and they dont need another ball dominant player.
The only finals mvps not on the team in the last 10 years are Iggy who is retired, Kawhi who was and Jaylen Brown the most recent finals mvp its a joke
Good luck to the Clippers with Kawhi for the next three seasons. He’s not getting any younger.
windy is bugging, no way that team losing any game with lebron and steph
Let's not crown Team USA just yet. Yes, their talent is sufficient that if the majority of the team averages at least 85% of their capability in each game, they should win Gold. No, let's not take this victory over Team Canada as an indication that they will roll comfortably to every victory. Friendly reminder that whether or not it would have made a difference or not, Canada played its end of the bench guys for the last 7 minutes of the game. Who is to say that had this been a tournament game with medal implications on the line that Canada wouldn't have put all its starters back in and at least made it a 6-7 point game instead of the comfortable 14-15 point game it ended up being? Would everyone still feel this same level of confident if that had happened? My guess is that we'd be generally encouraged but not, it's going to be a cakewalk with our level of talent like some pundits are framing the narrative.
Sayin Jaylen brown believes conspiracies is a bit naïve and disrespectful. The Nike situation holds merit
Surprised they even said kyries name....we all know what this is about but these 3 wont neverrrrr say it.....brown was backin kyrie during the whole small hat situation......they aint foolin me
Did you forget the Flat Earth thing he said? If that is not conspiracy theory I don't know what is one 😂
Whose pg if haliburton not in rotation for second unit
I don’t blame JB for being upset.
I also don’t blame Team USA for choosing Derrick White over him; they needed another role guy, and JB isn’t a role guy.
I hear you all and Grant Hill, but I still don't understand why Jaylen Brown is not on the squad. He probably should have been selected ahead of Leonard in the first place. He is better than him at this point. Also, I love this whole old-guard narrative, but Ant and Tatum should be starting.
It's about fit and/or need. Not about who's the best. You need someone that's willing to do just the dirty work. Up until now Jrue was really the only one on that roster.
I Like what Jason Timpf said about the game. I think the speed difference between the two Lineups has more to do with Embid being with the starters then specifically
Ant being with the second unit. Think I would prefer an Anthony Davis Start then Embid
Hoop Collective, you're wrong on this one. The reason why this is a big deal and a controversial decision is because 3 Boston Celtics were picked for Team USA and the reigning finals mvp was not chosen. That's disrespectful anyhow you slice it. I personally believe it was the wrong decision and that's why it's causing so many waves. But team USA does this all the time, so...whatever
first of all, i’m a lakers fan. secondly, i believe in fit & team comes first, but why is booker (a nike athlete), chosen before jaylen brown. in what aspect is he better? shooting better by 2%! no nba analyst would pick booker over brown. nobody! now tell me there is no nike bias.
Overrating a very small canada team where fiba is very physical
Love the common male Anglo-Saxon navy blue-black color blindness coming into play with McMahon on Bontemps' shirt
huh??
Nitpicking between D. White and JB skills or utility does neither of them justice, both muthafcukas can ball. Grant Hill and the USAB brass had their list of potential players prioritized long before the Finals were played and JB winning the ECF and Finals MVP trophies. After the initial 12 spots, the 13-20 replacement guys are all deserving of invitation to represent the US. USAB simply selected their first replacement.
Kawhi is the definition of play for the other team
Bontemps is about to cry when he can't make his point. Careful with your hot takes, France, Germany and Serbia are good teams.
Derrick white deserves it, he been playing allstar basketball all year, even tho Jalen brown got the slight let’s give it to him
I love the guys for bringing knowledge and content. As a German an fan of the German team It’s just funny that alle three guys only count superstars on teams and define by that who are the best three teams in the tournament (while missing the world champions). That’s just another example that the US media loves hero ball, as well the only reason why they think Halliburton probably will not play a lot. Hailburton is the best offensive Point guard on the team so he can tire teams out. (Don’t kill me, I know that Steph is the better player, but no true PG). Besides that another good podcast
Lebron was a -3 starting in a nearly 20 point win... he didnt play "Reasonably good". I don't understand why we have to lie about this. It's ok to not play good in the first game. It just makes me respect your reporting less when you only lie about 1 person consistently.
Ppl had to deny to go bc if team USA first call was to Derrick white fire recruiting rn
Lol no one thought khawi was going to play
Dubai’s Emirate is poor. The Burj Khalifa was purchased by Abu Dhabi’s king, who’s actually rich - with oil money
Homeless Americans are poor but war mongering elites are rich with military money.
what a surprise...
I think a trade of Darius Garland from to the Heat for Tyler Herro would be good for both teams.
People are over reacting to this. It is like they are thinking it was Jaylen Brown or Derrick White. That is not the case. The question coaches ask is "who is best to replace Kawhi and fit the roster" and the answer is Derrick White. The thing is this roster was not constructed well in the first place. It was too top heavy
Stfu you're wrong. White is not the answer Brown is
Huh? The roster is fire. Tf you talking about.
@zurkthajerkgaming it means you got too many chiefs and not enough Indians on this roster. Nvm that you have Lebron on this roster which not every star player can play well off of him
Khawi just wanted the recognition and adulation, Team USA just playing along. He's never was actually going to Paris
Banchero from magic would b good replacement
He Brazilian dummy
The other teams don't have the same advantages like they used to with guys playing together forever and having an nba player grow with them...the best guys are in the nba at 19 now...not like manu at 23
I wasn’t really impressed by the US. Canada didn’t play their starters all game. So none of this matters to me
Can you please tell that to your fellow Americans from the media to the regular folks over hyping. Canada, my adopted country played the 3rd stringers for the last 7+ mins of the gm while Lebron, Tatum, Steph, Jrue, Ad etal were all on the court. The 2nd unit that came in the 2Q which change the gm for the U.S were 5 players who will not play together in the real thing. 1 of Shai or Jamal will always make up the 2nd unit. That unit that played mirrored a hockey rotation.
Copium
Anyone even surprised Kwahi flaked out? The Clips can't depend on him and neither can the country.
People say this team is better than 08 and can best 92 smdh now they suck and we should be worried
Edey looks like a beast!
I cant wait to see Jaylen play next season with another chip on his shoulder
Jrue and D. White represent the absolute best kind of 2-guard to pair with Steph. Hopefully Melton is healthy this season and can bang with opponents best 1-3 dudes and make a few shots to help out on offense.
Convenient amnesia: beginning in his rookie season, Jaylen Brown has disrespected Stephen Curry ...
Not Jaylen Brown is wild
I can’t get into this podcast. Just look mad amature nobody wanna watch a zoom call
This team ain't beating 2008 usa or spain or 2012 spain...or 92 dream team...lbj kd kawhi davis jrue and curry are not at their peak...embiid isn't in mvp form hali is very young same for ant...booker and bam are not scaring anyone on both sides of the ball...tatum can't shoot
Clippers will be a non factor next season lol
Glad this pod is out. Zach Lowe talks too much man 😂
I feel bad for some of his guests when he goes on those 10 minute monologues 😂
Agreed About Zach Lowe
@@MangosInTreesFr man it’s tough I’m always thinking about that dude asks a question and then goes on a 10 minute monologue before his guest can respond.
He has guests on to have someone to talk @. When they say something funny he pretends like they said nothing.
Man I hate the media lien just literally lien about Jaylen brown
It’s called pressure. France is winning the gold. You guys are trying to make a contest out of nothing. Whey play in Paris, not Indianapolis.
Tatum is behind all of this. He is doing what jordan did to Isaiah.
Could at least spell his name right with this poor take. Or maybe you don't have the internet.
USA IN FO'!
Controversial but i reckon Brown is a bit overrated. He plays on a team with so many threats that it makes his job easier. I am not sure he could be a true number 1 on a team. Yes he won finals mvp but Tatum was still the lead guy.
He's load managing.
Butler
Lbj is a bad leader and canada took it easy to make us too confident and not realize we have to be better and play smarter harder earlier if we want to win..they want us being lazy thinking we can win playing poor so we lose
If I could replace Antman or Hali for Jbrown I would
Great podcast, but I get annoyed when they interrupt each other.
Just write down you points and say them when it is your turn.
god these guys have zero chemistry together why did they think it was a good idea to do a podcast
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Having won finals NBA and not beeing called??.. this is not NBA and this is not a sport...
Bontemps is so NBA pilled, doesn’t really understand how good players outside the league are
Windy is such a hater and over reactor to nothing for drama clicks and news....bro they didn't have kawhi or kd and won easily....they put in 3 guys who aren't even on the team or aren't close to being stars...
The suits clearly dont want Brown outshining Corny LeTatumBRICK as per usual
Smh
Zip up the pants when u finished
you're trying hard for that validation
@@chrismcdonald1198^Triggered LeTatumBRICK Stan Alwrt ‼️
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SCUM BLM baby Soft As Tissue Jaylen "Turn -over machine , Cannot dribble LEFT with a BIG EGO who always complain and playing VICTIM , throwing his teammate under the bus : DWhite " when he is not chosen in any favorable situation. Black LIES matter-LEFTist BLM Black are Racists Marxists Communist!
@@Nostalgia9478 Jaylen "350M man -SCUM BLM baby Soft As Tissue, Turn -over machine , Cannot dribble LEFT with a BIG EGO who always complain (even he won the Eastern conference MVP-he COMPLAIN in acceptance speech) and playing either race card and/or VICTIM card , CYRING LIKE A BABY throwing his teammate under the bus : D-White because he was not chosen in USA 2024 Olympic team? Just when he is not chosen in any favorable situation, he sulk, always complain, cry like a baby, will play a race or victim card ? ! Black LIES matter-LEFTist BLM Black are Racists Marxists Communist!🤧🥵🤮🧐🧐🧐😤🤬😠🤡
So they talk about Mitchell's extension but don't discuss Scottie Barnes's max extension? Cavs fans have no right to complain about how they don't get talked enough when there are teams who are ignored far more often. The Raptors are near or at the top of that list. Get in line, Cleveland
He should withdraw from the NBA.
👎 DW
I don't think that Steve Kerr should be coaching this team
How about kuzma 😅
Bontemps, please let somebody else talk. My goodness
can't wait till December, January when the stars will start load management and complaining about the NBA regular season 82 games
😂😂😂😂
Popcorn on the way :)
LeBron, KD, Boston guys, maybe Steph too :)
Why are you putting the Boston guys in the group? Tatum has been one of the most available stars and repeatedly said he doesn't like sitting out games he can physically play in. White has played 70+ the last several years including all 82 2 years ago. Holiday is the only one you could argue might get load managed some given he's in his 30s but isn't one to complain about the amount of games.
Don't care what JB thinks he got a ring and is enjoying a blessed off season. D White is a solid replacement for old man Kawhi who needs to spend more time earning them max paychecks and less time trying to do things he obviously is no longer capable of doing
Good cause he’s washed lol. Just retire it isn’t working for u anymore lil bro
😳 WHO DAT?????
Why are there no white players on the team? I guess DEI works when it suits people.
Name one that was BORN in the u.s. and is top caliber enough to be on the team…. I’ll wait
@@Triad_InversionYou missed the point.
@@dimitrijetucovic1307the point is that insecure losers blame DEI for black people getting positions and can’t fathom that they’re *actually* qualified. Ever think that the PREVIOUS system wasn’t a fair process of vetting candidates?
@@dimitrijetucovic1307 the point is invalid if it can't be supported
Here... I'll help you out. 1. Alex Caruso 2. Peyton Pritchard 3. Kevin Love 4. Tyler Herro
Windy is quickly becoming a little insufferable. He will not let people talk and when he interjects he's often wrong. At least when bontemps interrupts he's usually correct in what he's saying.
first of all, i’m a lakers fan. secondly, i believe in fit & team comes first, but why is booker (a nike athlete), chosen before jaylen brown. in what aspect is he better? shooting better by 2%! no nba analyst would pick booker over brown. nobody! now tell me there is no nike bias.
i get hali (ball handling) & white (team defense), but book has what on him? tell me there is no bias.
Overrating a very small canada team where fiba is very physical