I definately agree with all the positive comments. A missing link drill for staying with the right mentality through energy drills. Well done also for an excellent job delivering the information
Very nice ! Whether your background is WC, JJJ or whatever, there's stuff in that video that can be integrated into your personal fighting mindset. I particularly like the uppercuts that sneak in around the arm being controlled.
Nice flow drill... I use some aspects of trapping and locking when I spar with the MMA and MT guys in my gym. Not all of it works during sparring but some of it does. Also, there's a lot you can do without gloves than you can with sparring gloves. I cut the angles and stay away from the center-line. Cutting the angles and implementing some of these trapping techniques or grappling locks work. Thanks for sharing.
I concur with the other open minds here. Lock flow provides sensitivity to the controls and counters of grappling whether standing or ground. It also helps with the transition to the ground. I teach lock flow for Self Defense, when you know where holds can go, you can counter and strike in so many ways. I've had to train quite a few women who were being abused by their MMA/BJJ boyfriends who used their training in grappling to control their women without leaving scars so they couldn't get prosecuted. Lock flow was a key ingredient. I don't subscribe to a "one style or my style is best" mentality. That's blind and disrespectful to my teachers and students. I'm human and therefore not perfect but I will share my journey with anyone of good character.
Great drill. Not only should students think of moving on drill from start to finish, even though this is how it is learnt initially. If a student knows this drill then hopefully we can drop them at any position in the drill and they should know what their options are and what to do in that position. That way in a real fight, if they end up in any particular position then they can continue and apply one or two moves from that point. Would like to train with a student and see if this can be done.
It's a drill. The aim is to shift from one technique to the other to train your mind and body to recognise certain combative reference points and make the most of them. In this case, the drill is trapping, wrenching and striking. Different systems teach drills for ground fighting transitions or lock flows so that your responses to an opponents counters or the failure of your own technique become instinctive. Any given fraction of this sequence should end a fight decisively.
Now THIS is true Filipino martial arts. Definitely a very good drill and it shows the beauty of FMA beyond just brutal beatdowns.Thank you for sharing! PS Do you know any instructors who share your sort of mindset here in Houston?
@subakuryu Thank you very much for your positive comments. I'm glad you like the drill and hope you find it useful. I''m sorry the only Instructor I know in Houston is Tim Mousel and I"m not sure if he does FMA anymore or not. Guro Harley
Good question. A lot of us gunt first. --It's part of the defanging the snake concept. I haven't had someone trap the backhand quite the way Guro Harley demonstrates but if it hurts enough, you may have an opportunity to attack the bicep.
Thanks for sharing this video! I can tell that your a very good trainer because you made some very good points. That's rare now days. Where are you located? I will travel just to be taught these life and death principles from you...
agreed. Good ol boxing serves more function than most of the overdeveloped hype based fma that is out there now. A good base of clinch boxing and submission grappling can serve as a very effective unarmed defense strategy.
I'm HUGE INTO THE BREAKING elements. I like it MUCH MORE than hitting!!!!!!:) Its much more challenging and enjoyable to train it!!!!! That was VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!! I should post owr destruction flow drill some time:) wher would you insert twill (sp) the vine lock/hold in there if you did it? Thats a Nasty one I like going for from time to time:) Once again many thanks Guru Harely
This is a great drill. I've also watched your sayoc instruction video clip during a seminar in Michigan and really enjoyed watching your teaching methods. Do you ever do seminars in the Spokane WA area?
Where is your school located. I am an Aiki Bugei instructor with a background in Wu Wei Gung Fu and Kali Silat. Id love to get a little more involved in the FMA and incorporate more drills into my training. FMA is much better for dealing with edged weapons than the traditional Aiki-based arts, but I do love the Aiki principles when they are intergrated into other systems.
here is a good example. Ever seen the dog brothers stick fight? It is FMA but as As FMA was actually used in warfare by FIGHTING, not by playing with endless flow drills that do nothing for combative application. They learn to stickfight by FIGHTING with sticks not with theory of energies and mumbo jumbo.
@subakuryu Check out the Texas Kali Association. There are some great Pekiti Tirsia Instructors in Houston. There is also a great Modern Arnis Guro there. The Solis Academy north of Houston also has some great FMA from what I hear.
-Yeah, I feel the same way. A lock-flow is equivalent to a form. A lock or break should be incidental and you're not exactly looking for it;It just happens to be there. I got away from these sort of flows with my students because it's not very realistic and is too formalized. I still teach some of the drills with the JKD/Kali blend, but for the most part I got away from it...I personally think it's not an effective way to train after you know the moves.
look at the training kelly mccann or lee morrison provides or perhaps Tony Blauer's SPEAR system and Krav Maga and you wil lsee defenses based on the reality of human reaction and use of violence of action to crash the attacker and destroy him, NOT play patty cake with a knife and masquerade it as combative training. EVERY art works when the attacker stands there and attacks HOW you tell him too, WHEN you tell him too, and WHAT target to attack, and leave his arm there so you can "defang"
It's a shame the mentality is either "MMA is King and TMA are a waste of time" or "MMA is only good in the ring" With regards to these lock flow drills-it is very unlikely that anyone would be able to pull of this entire flow against a live, aggressive opponent-it should also be clear that parts of it can be quite effective in the street. For example, if your opponent is wearing a jacket or long sleeves, it may very well be possible to grab the jacket, stretch and wrench the arm-then if he breaks free, go into something else-low kick, groin hit, etc. Any wrestler or BJJ guy should be able to "see" how these techniques can set up an arm drag, trip or throw. Plenty of opportunities for a neck clinch (or neck drag) or head butt as well in these positions. BTW, anyone who doesn't think a head butt can stop a fight doesn't know a thing about contact sports.
find yourself on the south end of an edged weapon ambush attack, or in the middle of a 3 on one barfight and ask yourself if your training has met its mark in the field of violence of action. Not likely.
if it serves no tactical purpose, and the very reason for training is tactical proficiency then it very well can be useless. People that use defensive tactics to save their lives if necessary because the use of force situations are real do NOT rely on martial art gimmicks and "energy" drills that are the fodder of practicioners that do not find themselves in harms way. MMA was an awakening slap to the face of traditional martial arts. FMA has also lost its bearing in the real world of combatives
not gonna happen. there is no world where trapping and locking works in a actual defensive encounter. I drank the koolaid for way too many years in fma and wing chun. They are drills for drill's sake. Working in a profession where use of force is part of the equation has demonstrated time after time that the attacker is not going to give you his arm to play with. It isnt a matter of skill, it is a matter of dynamics and aggression.
In a "streetfight" (whatever that is) the attacker isnt gonna stand there and let you dance around with BS trapping stuff. Anywone one fights, or has been there understands that the chaos is not dealt with by trapping and locking. Train with a boxer, or wrestler or a commited attacker with an edged weapon and see how much of this type of training is useless
nobody is going to use aggressive force and intentional violence in such a manner that it is defensible by most of what is taught in these systems. It has gotten way out of hand with the flow drills and creation of technique that is just a means to keep students curious. Look at real military combatives. It has no use for such complicated muti staged technique and application.
this shouldn't take this long in a real fight 3 -5or less of these techniques full force should stop the fight..takes more then 10 secs to take the attacker out your doing it wrong. he will figure you out and take you out in a way you dont expect
Excellent flow Tuhon. I’ve studied JKD and FMA and that’s a familiar flow type
What a fabulous technical drill. Thanks for sharing!
I definately agree with all the positive comments. A missing link drill for staying with the right mentality through energy drills.
Well done also for an excellent job delivering the information
tengo 57 años de los cuales 45 he consagrado a las artes marciales ud no solo conoce sabe explicar tiene pedagogia .Le felicito Que Dios lo Bendiga
The beauty of the flow! Exellent drill Guro! My respect...
Very nice !
Whether your background is WC, JJJ or whatever, there's stuff in that video that can be integrated into your personal fighting mindset.
I particularly like the uppercuts that sneak in around the arm being controlled.
Nice flow drill... I use some aspects of trapping and locking when I spar with the MMA and MT guys in my gym. Not all of it works during sparring but some of it does. Also, there's a lot you can do without gloves than you can with sparring gloves. I cut the angles and stay away from the center-line. Cutting the angles and implementing some of these trapping techniques or grappling locks work. Thanks for sharing.
I have 15 years MMA training under my belt and I can tell you for sure all you nay sayers, that kali is legit. You've got to always think, "knife".
Core Combat N.I exactly Brother. The blade trains the hand(s)
I'm an intermediate student, very informative, liked it a lot.
As always, very good stuff.
My respects Harley.
very nice flow, and the interesting thing about each step demonstrated is that you can mix up the order of the steps and you can still make it flow.
The best drill sample drill. thanks for sharing.
I'm only 7 years late to this one, but just wanted to say - very well presented.
I concur with the other open minds here. Lock flow provides sensitivity to the controls and counters of grappling whether standing or ground. It also helps with the transition to the ground. I teach lock flow for Self Defense, when you know where holds can go, you can counter and strike in so many ways. I've had to train quite a few women who were being abused by their MMA/BJJ boyfriends who used their training in grappling to control their women without leaving scars so they couldn't get prosecuted. Lock flow was a key ingredient. I don't subscribe to a "one style or my style is best" mentality. That's blind and disrespectful to my teachers and students. I'm human and therefore not perfect but I will share my journey with anyone of good character.
Great drill. Not only should students think of moving on drill from start to finish, even though this is how it is learnt initially. If a student knows this drill then hopefully we can drop them at any position in the drill and they should know what their options are and what to do in that position. That way in a real fight, if they end up in any particular position then they can continue and apply one or two moves from that point. Would like to train with a student and see if this can be done.
It's a drill. The aim is to shift from one technique to the other to train your mind and body to recognise certain combative reference points and make the most of them.
In this case, the drill is trapping, wrenching and striking.
Different systems teach drills for ground fighting transitions or lock flows so that your responses to an opponents counters or the failure of your own technique become instinctive.
Any given fraction of this sequence should end a fight decisively.
Now THIS is true Filipino martial arts. Definitely a very good drill and it shows the beauty of FMA beyond just brutal beatdowns.Thank you for sharing!
PS Do you know any instructors who share your sort of mindset here in Houston?
@subakuryu Thank you very much for your positive comments. I'm glad you like the drill and hope you find it useful. I''m sorry the only Instructor I know in Houston is Tim Mousel and I"m not sure if he does FMA anymore or not. Guro Harley
Good question. A lot of us gunt first. --It's part of the defanging the snake concept. I haven't had someone trap the backhand quite the way Guro Harley demonstrates but if it hurts enough, you may have an opportunity to attack the bicep.
Thanks for sharing this video! I can tell that your a very good trainer because you made some very good points. That's rare now days. Where are you located? I will travel just to be taught these life and death principles from you...
This was awesome.. thank you so much! think I can try some of this when I chi sau?
agreed. Good ol boxing serves more function than most of the overdeveloped hype based fma that is out there now. A good base of clinch boxing and submission grappling can serve as a very effective unarmed defense strategy.
Oss 🙏🏽 thank you for sharing
I'm HUGE INTO THE BREAKING elements. I like it MUCH MORE than hitting!!!!!!:) Its much more challenging and enjoyable to train it!!!!! That was VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!!!! I should post owr destruction flow drill some time:) wher would you insert twill (sp) the vine lock/hold in there if you did it? Thats a Nasty one I like going for from time to time:) Once again many thanks Guru Harely
This is a great drill. I've also watched your sayoc instruction video clip during a seminar in Michigan and really enjoyed watching your teaching methods. Do you ever do seminars in the Spokane WA area?
Great drill
That was deadly!
Where is your school located. I am an Aiki Bugei instructor with a background in Wu Wei Gung Fu and Kali Silat. Id love to get a little more involved in the FMA and incorporate more drills into my training. FMA is much better for dealing with edged weapons than the traditional Aiki-based arts, but I do love the Aiki principles when they are intergrated into other systems.
Nice flow!
what happens if he pulls his arm back before you are able to gunt on his bicep? tends to be an issue with aggressive fast hitting boxers.
here is a good example. Ever seen the dog brothers stick fight? It is FMA but as As FMA was actually used in warfare by FIGHTING, not by playing with endless flow drills that do nothing for combative application. They learn to stickfight by FIGHTING with sticks not with theory of energies and mumbo jumbo.
@subakuryu Check out the Texas Kali Association. There are some great Pekiti Tirsia Instructors in Houston. There is also a great Modern Arnis Guro there. The Solis Academy north of Houston also has some great FMA from what I hear.
8 people have had their limbs broke in a such a manner.
The school is located in Wichita Falls, Texas.
Nice
-Yeah, I feel the same way. A lock-flow is equivalent to a form. A lock or break should be incidental and you're not exactly looking for it;It just happens to be there. I got away from these sort of flows with my students because it's not very realistic and is too formalized. I still teach some of the drills with the JKD/Kali blend, but for the most part I got away from it...I personally think it's not an effective way to train after you know the moves.
look at the training kelly mccann or lee morrison provides or perhaps Tony Blauer's SPEAR system and Krav Maga and you wil lsee defenses based on the reality of human reaction and use of violence of action to crash the attacker and destroy him, NOT play patty cake with a knife and masquerade it as combative training. EVERY art works when the attacker stands there and attacks HOW you tell him too, WHEN you tell him too, and WHAT target to attack, and leave his arm there so you can "defang"
it depends on how much of a threat the guy is.
cool
where is your school located
It's a shame the mentality is either "MMA is King and TMA are a waste of time" or "MMA is only good in the ring" With regards to these lock flow drills-it is very unlikely that anyone would be able to pull of this entire flow against a live, aggressive opponent-it should also be clear that parts of it can be quite effective in the street. For example, if your opponent is wearing a jacket or long sleeves, it may very well be possible to grab the jacket, stretch and wrench the arm-then if he breaks free, go into something else-low kick, groin hit, etc. Any wrestler or BJJ guy should be able to "see" how these techniques can set up an arm drag, trip or throw. Plenty of opportunities for a neck clinch (or neck drag) or head butt as well in these positions. BTW, anyone who doesn't think a head butt can stop a fight doesn't know a thing about contact sports.
Buena defensa ! Personal..kali
when hands are controlled
use the feet
find yourself on the south end of an edged weapon ambush attack, or in the middle of a 3 on one barfight and ask yourself if your training has met its mark in the field of violence of action. Not likely.
FMA is the best...my opinion
it looks very complicated.
right, great points, re submissions outside the dojo-- but just try EXPLAINING that to the dojomiester-- you can't LEGALLY demonstrate the problems
if it serves no tactical purpose, and the very reason for training is tactical proficiency then it very well can be useless. People that use defensive tactics to save their lives if necessary because the use of force situations are real do NOT rely on martial art gimmicks and "energy" drills that are the fodder of practicioners that do not find themselves in harms way. MMA was an awakening slap to the face of traditional martial arts. FMA has also lost its bearing in the real world of combatives
not gonna happen. there is no world where trapping and locking works in a actual defensive encounter. I drank the koolaid for way too many years in fma and wing chun. They are drills for drill's sake. Working in a profession where use of force is part of the equation has demonstrated time after time that the attacker is not going to give you his arm to play with. It isnt a matter of skill, it is a matter of dynamics and aggression.
In a "streetfight" (whatever that is) the attacker isnt gonna stand there and let you dance around with BS trapping stuff. Anywone one fights, or has been there understands that the chaos is not dealt with by trapping and locking. Train with a boxer, or wrestler or a commited attacker with an edged weapon and see how much of this type of training is useless
nobody is going to use aggressive force and intentional violence in such a manner that it is defensible by most of what is taught in these systems. It has gotten way out of hand with the flow drills and creation of technique that is just a means to keep students curious. Look at real military combatives. It has no use for such complicated muti staged technique and application.
this shouldn't take this long in a real fight 3 -5or less of these techniques full force should stop the fight..takes more then 10 secs to take the attacker out your doing it wrong. he will figure you out and take you out in a way you dont expect
You Hater does not trust yourself to know just running, coward Lol