SpaceX Triumphs, but Boeing Starliner is springing leaks! How bad of a problem is this for NASA?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Starliner is springing leaks! How serious is this?
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Compared to the starship launch and re-entry that I watched live with you just now I don't even know why I'm watching this video right now , space x stole the show! Thanks for your coverage!
I was waiting for someone trustworthy to address this report. Thank you.
Watching the Starliner launch setup I spent a good two minutes watching Suni Williams unsuccessfully try to attach a glove to the sleeve of his space suit. After a while they changed the shot, I wonder why. I immediately thought "I bet Boeing is about to brag about how easy it is to wear one of their new suits."....and like clockwork a minute later "our suits are great, light and are easy to put on quickly in an emergency...."
It seems to me that two or more minutes putting gloves on makes the difference between going home or becoming a piece of space debris.
I made my comment about sending Boeing management instead of nasa management and was put on a 1 minute hold before posting.
I pray for the astronaut safety
I've been praying 🙏 as well.
The helium leak 😊is nothing. Just wait till they find out that Boeing forgot to pack the parachutes.
With Star Trek Voyager impulse thrusters, they do not need parachutes!
We don't need no stinking parachutes!
Its after they found out the auto-stabilizer program become unstabled and glitched out
NASA
= Never A Safe Astronaut
Only 3 things are certain in life.
Death
Artemis being delayed
Boeing Starliner having technical difficulties
Taxes
If SpaceX had performed like Boeing has the contract would have been canceled.
Yea. If SpaceX wasn't blocked by the government Starship would have already made it to the moon.
@bullyboy131 Nah. I love SpaceX and starship, but as amazing as starships launch today was I wouldn't climb abroad it yet. You might survive, but that's not the close call I'd want.
It's awesome how far they've come, but I'm not looking for an action movie plot as my re-entry and landing. Ive been critical of the FAA being slow early on but I don't think its caused as drastic a delays as well you think. SpaceX os still figuring out a lot of things on starship which takes time.
@@garreth629 Take things in perspective, how many attempts at landing a rocket did Space X make before they were successful? Now it's so routine it's becoming less amazing. Given Space X is Kerbal Space Program in real life, expect problems :)
Boeing needs to end.
Boeing Starliner just began it ISS!😊
Boing needs to use more duct tape.
I wish NASA put as much money towards a human rated Dreamchaser as they have Starliner. I think they would end up with a much better system with low reentry g forces.
The difference is that Boeing has a well established manufacturing ecosystem. It's not a smallish newcomer. Which means that the politicians that decide the attribution of money to NASA don''t have a meaningful constituents' base to consider in their case. I mean even if you don't consider campaign financing (and under the table dealings), established juggernauts hold a very substantial advantage over startups. You should really appreciate the fact that despite this NASA was somehow able to get a few newcomers into the fray... SpaceX was one of them, after all (they would not have survived without that early NASA money). I am actually amazed at what NASA is able to get through, albeit slowly, despite all the political hoops it has to jump through.
Ah, but at the time the contracts were let, Dream Chaser was deemed too immature in design with too many unknowns, so it came in 3rd place and was not funded. Thankfully Sierra Aerospace is funding its development on their own (to be a crewed vehicle). Hopefully it will prove itself later this year by doing a cargo run to the ISS. Fingers crossed the Vulcan Centaur with those BE-4 engines will do its job.
At least it made it to the station.
Let’s see how it completes the mission
Had enough of these clowns stuffing their pockets... Thats why elon is the way forward.
Really? So how was elon's last launch?
You should look at the lastest starship 4 launch.
@@jamiemckinnon6490 Why? It didn't even make orbit....
It intentionally didn't make orbit. It was a rest-flight of a prototype rocket. I don't suppose that means much to you, but it it's nowhere near the final version.
@@mauricegold9377 Funny....Excuses excuses...Test 1 was a complete ballsup because a 3 year old designed the launch complex. It was supposed to reach orbit. Test 2 was also supposed to reach orbit and we all know what happened... Test 3 pretty much more of the same. Test 4, well we all know how that went as well. STS1 was also a test flight....
Will the be talking with high pitched voices then?
Very impressed indeed amazed at what SpaceX did today with Starship. Purpose remains to lift a massive number of Starlink Satellites in a single shot so how that intends to be played out is I think what needs knowing now. Can't speak to $ba Boeing as what they're trying to do is about as simple a matter as can be imagined so hopefully all returns safe and sound and there is a Starliner 2.0 that solves all of this once and for all. In the meantime I expect $t AT&T to be a big winner from all of this as they proceed to prepare their satellite constellation direct to cell to keep pace with SpaceX. Still waiting on Blue Origin to do anything in the meantime..
Don't hold your breath on Blue Origin.
Did they really tie a whistleblower to the outside of Starliner?
No, that's a Babylon bee article. But I wouldn't put it past the. Love the bee but hopefully it remains satire
We at Boeing prefer the term "Research Assistant". 😅
What's funny is how much of a politicized opinion people in the comment section have about Boeing and SpaceX, not specifically on this channel, but elsewhere.
One team blasts SpaceX for the burns, while 3 sub-teams counterblast that team with various arguments / punchlines / emoji spams, or just say "it was a success".
Then the other team blasts Boeing and gets jumped by Team SpaceX while neither can see that American spaceflight as a whole is at risk here. They just want the **other** party to quit outright. In the end nobody really follows the story anymore, it has devolved into politician-esque zoomer-vs-nonzoomer buzzwordspeak and emojitalk.
NASA just pull the program and stop wasting my tax dollars
Honestly if theirs an exit clause on the contract they should use it
They are printing money what tax dollars ?
NASA's job is to waste tax money.
@@RussianOldSpice
It's debt, so our children and grand children will owe it.
NASA isn't paying more at this point, now it's just Boeing burning the money they were given 👍
Thruster issues, delaying docking. Helium helped explain some. Thanks again
I see Boeing's quality control is working as usual.
Ever since they were given the contract, it would be interesting to see how much has been paid out in shares, bonus or just 'gone'
Stayliner epitomises Boeing! A travesty of poor engineering 😩
The engineers are not the problem. Boeing management is. The engineers are bounced all over the place. They have no continuity.
Fortunately, there are 28 RCS thrusters with quite a bit of redundancy. But yes, Boeing needs to look at using better, tested, and vetted valves for any future flights. Why stick with ones that are going to be ever suspect?
I walked into news an old man told me on a service call today . He said you know the man lady crew of that new Starliner that went up apparently the urine to water converter stopped working. They insisted that this problem should be No.1 Priority.....
Took me a bit longer to acknowledge 😮
That old man heard wrong. The urine to water converter on the ISS stopped working. Starliner carried up a 140-pound replacement for the malfunctioning pump. The capsule itself doesn’t have a urine to water converter installed because, unlike Crew Dragon, there is no toilet onboard.
Figures! Thanks AA
Boeing starliner reminds me a lot of the submarine that imploded. A very bad idea.
G'day from WA. Watching Starship was AMAZING. Nasa was not so much lol
Until that thing launches with zero issues I wouldn't call it human rated.
Helium is an inert gas that can displace oxygen.
wha? leaks?!
Maybe they should have used a larger/heavier inert noble element that is not as hard to keep from leaking out. Sure that impacts performance, but your expectations should match your competency.
Oh no! If all the helium leaks out it will fall!!!
LOL! Boeing, dont worry, they will send a crew dragon to bring back you guys. Space X has you covered, no worries mate!
BOEING = Because Our Engineerimg Is Not Good 😊 👍
Well both launches had some problems. Boeings starliner has issues with venting while Spacex had problems with its fans melting a bit. I think both programs need some fixes since any unintentional venting and melting of stuff is not a good thing.
Diffrence is one is already human rated while the other is in early experimental phase. Starship was an amazing success today
SpaceX' Starship is still a test vehicle but Starliner is supposed to be operational human-rated vehicle.
@@steyefong590 Well the Spacex is also behind its schedule atm. The original plan was to be much further ahead with the plan to get to moon and to mars. Fan melting a bit isnt a good thing since it eventually has to also take a crew to space. Now they have to think of ways how to preven the fans from melting.
The crew is alive at the ISS. I count that as a major success. Helium leaks, fuck that shit for the time being. Alive is alive.
Er.. it will be hard to come back home safe if the thrusters don't fire properly.
These astronauts are brave! Their mission patch should be a pair of brass balls with wings!
Why isn't argon used instead of helium? It's has more density, it's a noble gas, its less prone to leak than helium and it's cheaper. I am sure there is a good reason, but it may be and old reason that can be over come with current technology.
Helium is used because the speed of sound is three times faster than in air or argon. This increases the resonant frequencies so the pneumatic systems are less likely to oscillate
Some states are using nitrogen in the death chamber, well helium would work just as well. Its not toxic per se but if it built up enough inn crew areas ... i needs to be watched (I'm sure they are)
I think the leaks have been stopped by isolating a tank.
They can send a secong crew to the ISS to rescue the first crew. Can't they?
🖖
Well, the Starliner just docked at the space station, so obviously, the people actually doing it don't think it's aa problem so bad to end the mission.
EDIT: Successful hard dock. So, I guess the only thing to do now is get the astronauts (and the urine filter) aboard the station. Then undock Starliner and have it deorbit into the atmosphere and burn up. NASA can then immediately cancel ALL contracts with Boeing, including Starliner, while SpaceX's Dear Leader Elon sends up a Dragon to get Butch and Suni back home. That sound about right?
About that. Those white SpaceX spacesuits are designed for the specific astronaut wearing it. SpaceX doesn’t have their measurements. So, more likely, they would be coming down in a Soyuz, a capsule both have experience with.
@@thomashong2938 I was being sarcastic. They're coming home in Starliner.
Too bad. Turned out to be a piece of junk. I sincerely hope the astronauts come back safely 🙏.
Boeing
When will NASA scrap the Deathtrapliner, AFTER astronauts are killed while riding in it?
It's a good job it's something inert that's leaking and not something more dangerous.
Helium is almost impossible to contain because its atoms are so small. They should have followed SpaceX and used nitrogen, inert, inflammable and safe!
If helium leaks into the ISS, it could exfixsiate the entire crew.
There rocket motors are from Russia! How does that secure the US?
Video courtesy of "Naked Gardener" from Maine LOLZ I love it
Hang on, Starliner docked with the ISS. It had some problems, just like Starship had it's TPS fail and the underlying structure started to melt but you consider that a triumph?
The inside of the star liner capsule seems so big
Only 2 crew, and it looks dated.
Jesus H! Spacecraft have had helium leaks as long as there have been spacecraft.
Not SpaceX
@@oliverdavis6030 Really? Why do you elon fanboy types like making up shit?
Anything relating to space is about Corporations.
Lets hope they get home save and NASA ends this nonsense
If helium leaks into the ISS, it could exfixsiate the entire crew.
nah, they would just talk in high-pitched voices for a while
Just pull the plug on this starliner program and use Crew dragon. Enough of this crap and wasting tax payers money
Only if nasa gets at least some of it's money back. Otherwise, make Boeing launch all the flights.
1:57 you probably said "these astronauts" but I heard "disastronauts"
I hope this portmanteau will not come true
Starliner will use Star Trek’s impulse engine thrusters to do the navigating around!
Well that might just be it for the Boeing contract....
At least we can hear how bad the helium leak is 'cos the astronaut's voices will get squeaky 😂
You know whay, F U angry. It was a great day for Boeing and a great day for Starliner and NASA. I watched all the conferences and Starliner is not perfect, but it is really excellent. For the 6th American human vessel, this is certainty the biggest Americant/world event in years.
Go Boeing, go NASA
SpaceX gets very lucky with melting hardware and it is a "triumph". Boing does a solid exercise with exceedingly minor, if appalling, issues, and we are pulling the plug. Prejudging much?
Yes, rocket reusability should have been a priority in all orbital things, decades ago. But even the company opportunistically founded on reusability is plopping components into the ocean. Maybe this is not quite black and white?
Yes, the current bean-counter Boing sucks. But we have the head money turd of Space Hex actively advocating for authoritarianism. Somehow, these seem to me to be flip sides of the same ugly problem with US science and business ventures - the base is greed all the way down.
This is what we get when we give away a half century of science to the private sector for no fee, with no clear public benefit, while we choose to rely on greedy swine for the future of space science.
There are more elements to this analysis, but they will have to wait. You, of course, are free to run with it.
The difference is that the SpaceX launch with melted hardware is an uncrewed launch of an outdated prototype focused only on gathering data while Boeing has put actual astronauts in their capsule. So if you want to compare Boeing with SpaceX you have to compare starliner capsule with the crew dragon. Which has already put 50+ astronauts to the ISS with it costing less than 2/3 per astronaut compared to the Starliner. Without having this many delays, cost overruns(even when they were given a lot more money than SpaceX to build the capsule) as well as safety issues.
"But the company opportunistically founded on reusability" what company are you talking about? Rocket lab?
Also giving the access of the space industry for the private sector clearly had benefits when it comes to the public sector as well. Most of NASA's current payloads are being launched by private launch providers which at this point works pretty well for both the government and the private sector.
@@RandomPerson-V I was pretty obviously commenting on the relative reactions to two unimpressive test flights. The Space X flight was pretty bad, if not a complete failure (had the melting resulted in a belly flop, it would have been a failure - which happens in testing). You can make excuses all you like for Space X (or Boeing), but the reentry and splash of the vehicle was no "triumph". Yes, it is good the software held the descent together, but no, it was not close to a triumph. Yes, we are all aware they are ahead of Boeing in general terms, but Boeing's focus is and has been different than the area in which Space X has its lead (orbit services). But yes, we all know Boeing has substantial problems. I was focussed on this set of tests and the reactions.
While Space X has one big management problem (they are one manchild fit from wasting a lot of engineering talent while vastly overpaying for now-unneeded investor-wrangling and embarrassing PR), Boeing has a suite of management problems, and have had them since engineers lost control of the company. Boeing's problems are well-known, but the company remains very capable of doing good work when its people are allowed to make quality and safety the priorities rather than speed and cash flow. The longer management maintains skewed priorities for an engineering/manufacturing company, the deeper the problems will get.
Has the public and NASA been served well by late-eighties paralysis followed by defunding and privatization initiatives? I think not. NASA, academia, and NASA contractors did foundational, groundbreaking work while they were allowed to do it. As often happens in the US, the public pays for doing all the heavy lifting, then hands all that to well-connected businessmen to profit from it, before the public investment bears full fruit. NASA should not need to rely on private profiteers (let alone authoritarian governments) to do its work, particularly when the public built this industry. Our political leaders have let us down in this regard, and NASA is not better for it. Rather, it makes the best of the hand it has been dealt, doing what it can to avoid reliance on one service provider of services that were once and should still be core to its mission (which is not to say it should not use outside help where it exists as a supplement and support).
@@bitegoatieYou are right. When NASA first handed over the launch service to corporations, they stopped innovating and ended losing that part of American pride to the European, Russian, and Chinese. Well, until SpaceX created reusability and developed it into a self-sustainable launch business. That man child is wrong to support authoritarian but he is good at business and engineering. He should stay out of politics.
A leaky crew capsule and seals clapping for a burnt to a crisp Starahip. SMDH. 🙄
Why are you always so negative???? The helium issue is within limits and is not a problem (and you know this).
It shouldn't happen at ALL! Stop dumbing down the expectations... its what caused as door to fall off a commercial flight.
how is pointing out a real problem being "negative"?????????
"Within limits " So too were the O rings on Challenger. So too was the foam strike on Columbia. Next we will have "The rocket blowing up is acceptable! We now have an LES!"
The helium leak is within limits NOW, if NASA are actually telling the truth, but what happens if the leaks get worse. At least if they can dock with the ISS the crew can wait there if Starliner becomes inoperable.
These door, foam, o ring examples and helium loss are not the same thing. Different organizations, different equipment, different management over time, different engineering. Investors had ‘had enough’ and for want of a secure fuel filter Virgin Orbit collapsed. Were there no merits to the approach? SpaceX has its own financial pockets plus government funding and has regularly had planned and unplanned failures during all of its systems development. Boeing has a design concept that has several new technologies being used. Let it get worked out and then see what can be carried on to the next system, Boeing or otherwise! There are advantages to some of their ideas.
No, Space X did not triumph. Starliner made it up and it will return safely. Starship returned as Burnt Toast.