Thanks for sharing. I've always loved breeding just about anything in BBS. I just do the the blue rosecombs and Ameraucanas now. But yes, black to blue always gives the best lacing!
Thank you for this. I am not breeding for color. But, having blue in my flock, this info will help me determine parents, when those chicks are hatched, that I did not intentionally breed.
I love all your videos! So interesting and I love learning about the different breeds. I’ve just started some hobby breeding experiments for getting some new egg colours. Have you ever bred for egg colour? Would you be willing to share a video about that? Thanks so much for sharing!
any splash can be used in a blue breeding program if you wish. Just make sure they have absolutely no red and no golden sheen to their necks, shoulders, or saddles.
So if I'm breeding blue brahmas and my rooster blue Brahma rooster is half blue half black with a little bit of white and my hens are blue would it be best to keep breeding with him or get a black rooster? In the end i want more blue Brahma chickens to show and sell
I am assuming you are talking about the "light" colored Brahma? That is a gene called Columbian. Are you looking to improve the color in your Brahmas or put that color into another breed?
@@hassanbukhari8151 I'm planning to visit a Brahma breeder here in my state sometime this season. Hopefully he can shed some light on how to make the pattern correct. In the meantime I'll do a video soon on how to get to that pattern.
A friend of mine raises coal miner blues in his breeding (black over splash)the chicks are really dark almost you would they are black but with a little age they become the best looking blues thanks for explaining why cause in breeding he has tryed all other combinations no other has the same result it's all in the genes thanks for clearing that up I will pass the knowledge on
Coal Miners are a very beautiful line. Lot of them I have seen pictures of have dark faces. That dark face and dark legs tends to steer the shade of blue to be much darker.
So I had 3 different sets come off something similar 6 blue 2 black an 2 yellow my stag is a 3 way cross blue/brown red/pinion an his mother that I crossed him back into is a 3 way also warhorse/brown red/pinion what is my splash is it the yellow/red ones or?
Actually, not all blues are the same. There are two types of blue. Self Blue (or Dun for browns) breeds true and is not the same Andalusian Blue as in your video. You're correct with the Red Pyles being [dominant] white, so therefore, splash is NOT desirable when creating lacing (b/c of leakage). I'll be trying a project this year to bring silver lacing/single lacing to Silkies and Modern Game Bantams, which I'm surprised, no one has made already. Thanks for the tutorial!!
blue works the same in all breeds. I have seen some blues do dark they can be confused with black. Is it possible the hen had been with another color male prior to pairing them up or that one or both of them could have jumped pens? If that white is actually a splash then both parents would have had to be blues, but it could have been a recessive white, in which case both parents carried (hid) one copy of the trait
I have a question I cannot seem to find an answer for. I have a rooster who is blue, but looks like a barred rock. His mom was a barred rock hen. His dad was a red pyle Brahma. I have photos of both parents but not sure how to show you through RUclips. He has the barring of a barred rock, but everywhere that is white on a barred rock, is blue on him. So he is overall blue. What would I get from him breeding to a barred rock hen? And a blue hen? And a black hen? Just trying to figure out an idea of the chicks I'd hatch out. I have a black jersey giant, a bcm, barred rock, and a blue hen that is a result from a lavender orpington mom and that same red pyle dad. Gave me a blue hen. Can you answer any of these? Thank you so much. Any help is appreciated!!!!
That's gonna be a long answer. So, likely your "Red Pyle" Brahma is a blue red "sport" (splash). So his son is probably blue red barred. Depending on how much red shows up he may look like more of a blue barred but he will still have the red genes. the blue hen you got backs this up. also that hen likely carries lavender so that may pop back out in later generations as it is recessive. it'll depend on how you set up future broodpens. So, basically you want to split this into two major questions. One is how will the blue inherit, the other is how will the barring inherit. short answer is you'll get some blues, some blue barreds, some blacks, some barreds, some of the males will show red and in the instance of your bcm, some of the pullets may show red also. the blue pullet bred back to him will produce some splash and some of those splash may come barred but you won't notice except for the few colored feathers that'll allow the pattern to show.
@@ChickenWired thank you for all that info 🙂 I actually only have one big pen with a mixed flock. I have 9 hens and the rooster. The dad of the rooster was huge and absolutely amazing. Everybody around wanted him. All the colored spots on his back and wings and such were all red. And his tail consisted of black and blues and greys
My rooster, the offspring, looks exactly like a blue barred rock but with feathered legs. Everywhere that would be white on a barred rock is blue on him. He's already huge for his age 🙂 but he is getting random small splashes of red around his neck but I've been told it's just leakage from his dad that it won't show up prominent like his dad had. My blue hen looks exactly like a blue orpington. She's super fluffy and also feather footed.
Sir what is the effect of rebreed my original hen and coock it could affect Thier low station and health I maintain may 50/50 blood composition since they are good fighting style and winner in pit
There are multiple schools of thought on the effects. The simple answer is if you keep breeding young offspring back to the original hen the line will take on more and more traits of the original hen's family. If your stock gets too old fertility will suffer and the chicks may not be as strong.
I have some Silverudd Blue (formerly Silverudd's Blue Isbar) and a Blue Double Laced Barnevelder rooster. I'm going to breed a fun line by crossing the two and then linebreed and see what's possible. From watching this I'm wondering which colour hen would be best fit to bring out the best qualities of the Silverudd Blue? I have some other breeding questions but don't want to pester! Thanks and good video!
I'll try to advise as best I can. The main thing I want to know is what traits or qualities are you trying to transfer from the Silverudd to the cross?
Thanks for getting back to me! The Silverudd are amazing layers and are extremely good foragers. The Barnevelders are great dual purpose and are quite friendly, somewhat the opposite of the Silverudd. Since they are both carrying the blue gene, will their offspring follow the same breeding protocol regarding the blue/black/splash gene combining or will it bring about a bunch of randomness? Thanks!
I basically love the colour patterns on both breeds, love the double lacing and easy going nature of the Barnevelder, love the laying of green eggs from the Silverudd.
You are correct, the blue gene will still act the same regardless of patterning. As far as the pattern you will likely have randomness on that bit. Silverudds looks to be based off the crow-wing allele which is dominant to the partridge allele (responsible for the double laced pattern in Barne's if I'm correct). So in short the birds will visually tend more towards the Silverudds in the first generation I believe. Now the green egg gene if I'm correct is dominant. As for temperment and foraging I honestly can't tell you how that'll be inherited.
By Porcelain I'm assuming you are talking about the pattern classically found in D'Uccle bantams. If that is the case then the short answer is no. Porcelain is the Mille Fluer pattern with the addition of the recessive gene known as lavendar. In D'Uccles and Old English bantams a solid lavendar bird is called a "self blue". This is why this gene often gets confused with blue. Pearls in Old English are lavendar mottled.
@@predatorschickens6143 As far as I know porcelain Silkies are lavendar based. So that does mean that true blues cannot be made from them. Sometimes due to naming confusion the lavendar gene gets introduced into a blue line or vice versa which causes all sorts of mix ups. Best advice is if you want blue silkies you'll need to track down some blues or some splashes and blacks to breed together.
@@predatorschickens6143 hard to say for certain as white hides other colors under it. Given that it is silkies and that lavendar is recessive I'd imagine you'd get partridge or something similar to partridge out of that cross.
Option 1 is to breed two blues together. A percentage of the offspring will be splash. Option 2 is breed a splash to a blue. Half of the offspring will be splash. Option 3 is breed two splash together. All of the offspring will be splash.
Thanks for sharing. I've always loved breeding just about anything in BBS. I just do the the blue rosecombs and Ameraucanas now. But yes, black to blue always gives the best lacing!
Thank you for this. I am not breeding for color. But, having blue in my flock, this info will help me determine parents, when those chicks are hatched, that I did not intentionally breed.
Glad it helps!
I love all your videos! So interesting and I love learning about the different breeds. I’ve just started some hobby breeding experiments for getting some new egg colours. Have you ever bred for egg colour? Would you be willing to share a video about that? Thanks so much for sharing!
Thank you, unfortunately I have never bred for egg color. Most of the breeds I've worked with longterm lay white eggs.
Thankyou I've learnd a lot from you. Im breeding blues and aprciate knowing the variations in splashs that are ok and mating for best blues.
any splash can be used in a blue breeding program if you wish. Just make sure they have absolutely no red and no golden sheen to their necks, shoulders, or saddles.
So if I'm breeding blue brahmas and my rooster blue Brahma rooster is half blue half black with a little bit of white and my hens are blue would it be best to keep breeding with him or get a black rooster? In the end i want more blue Brahma chickens to show and sell
Arent there two different kinds of blue in chicken breeds though?
Very informative at least I have a base to refer to
what if I don't have blue or black rooster? I only have red rooster and a blue hen, is it possible for them to produce a blue offsprings?
Interesting and informative video. How they get brahma color pattern on neck...
I am assuming you are talking about the "light" colored Brahma? That is a gene called Columbian. Are you looking to improve the color in your Brahmas or put that color into another breed?
@@ChickenWired thanks for the prompt reply. Yes i want to try both ways as mentioned in ur comment. I have light brahma birds to try upon
@@hassanbukhari8151 I'm planning to visit a Brahma breeder here in my state sometime this season. Hopefully he can shed some light on how to make the pattern correct. In the meantime I'll do a video soon on how to get to that pattern.
@@ChickenWired will be anxiously waiting to watch your video. Regards
Exactly what happened to my 2019 breeding I breed blue to blue brother and sister single mating and got black, splash,and blue chicks
A friend of mine raises coal miner blues in his breeding (black over splash)the chicks are really dark almost you would they are black but with a little age they become the best looking blues thanks for explaining why cause in breeding he has tryed all other combinations no other has the same result it's all in the genes thanks for clearing that up I will pass the knowledge on
Coal Miners are a very beautiful line. Lot of them I have seen pictures of have dark faces. That dark face and dark legs tends to steer the shade of blue to be much darker.
Thanks.
So I had 3 different sets come off something similar 6 blue 2 black an 2 yellow my stag is a 3 way cross blue/brown red/pinion an his mother that I crossed him back into is a 3 way also warhorse/brown red/pinion what is my splash is it the yellow/red ones or?
Miner Blues are Pretty Gamefowl
Actually, not all blues are the same. There are two types of blue. Self Blue (or Dun for browns) breeds true and is not the same Andalusian Blue as in your video. You're correct with the Red Pyles being [dominant] white, so therefore, splash is NOT desirable when creating lacing (b/c of leakage). I'll be trying a project this year to bring silver lacing/single lacing to Silkies and Modern Game Bantams, which I'm surprised, no one has made already. Thanks for the tutorial!!
Correct, the "self blue" is actually the lavender gene. I should make a video on that gene. It is a recessive and breeds true.
Is it for all breeds or just game fowl? I have silkies and both were black but i got 1 black 1 blue and 1 white
blue works the same in all breeds. I have seen some blues do dark they can be confused with black. Is it possible the hen had been with another color male prior to pairing them up or that one or both of them could have jumped pens? If that white is actually a splash then both parents would have had to be blues, but it could have been a recessive white, in which case both parents carried (hid) one copy of the trait
How can I tell the blue mottled day old chick from a black mottled chick. I have crossed a blue mottled rooster with a black mottled hen
Does it works the same with pumpkin color???
I have a question I cannot seem to find an answer for. I have a rooster who is blue, but looks like a barred rock. His mom was a barred rock hen. His dad was a red pyle Brahma. I have photos of both parents but not sure how to show you through RUclips. He has the barring of a barred rock, but everywhere that is white on a barred rock, is blue on him. So he is overall blue. What would I get from him breeding to a barred rock hen? And a blue hen? And a black hen? Just trying to figure out an idea of the chicks I'd hatch out. I have a black jersey giant, a bcm, barred rock, and a blue hen that is a result from a lavender orpington mom and that same red pyle dad. Gave me a blue hen. Can you answer any of these? Thank you so much. Any help is appreciated!!!!
That's gonna be a long answer. So, likely your "Red Pyle" Brahma is a blue red "sport" (splash). So his son is probably blue red barred. Depending on how much red shows up he may look like more of a blue barred but he will still have the red genes. the blue hen you got backs this up. also that hen likely carries lavender so that may pop back out in later generations as it is recessive. it'll depend on how you set up future broodpens. So, basically you want to split this into two major questions. One is how will the blue inherit, the other is how will the barring inherit. short answer is you'll get some blues, some blue barreds, some blacks, some barreds, some of the males will show red and in the instance of your bcm, some of the pullets may show red also. the blue pullet bred back to him will produce some splash and some of those splash may come barred but you won't notice except for the few colored feathers that'll allow the pattern to show.
@@ChickenWired thank you for all that info 🙂 I actually only have one big pen with a mixed flock. I have 9 hens and the rooster. The dad of the rooster was huge and absolutely amazing. Everybody around wanted him. All the colored spots on his back and wings and such were all red. And his tail consisted of black and blues and greys
My rooster, the offspring, looks exactly like a blue barred rock but with feathered legs. Everywhere that would be white on a barred rock is blue on him. He's already huge for his age 🙂 but he is getting random small splashes of red around his neck but I've been told it's just leakage from his dad that it won't show up prominent like his dad had. My blue hen looks exactly like a blue orpington. She's super fluffy and also feather footed.
@@ChickenWired I really hope to get some splashes. That's my goal.
@@smalltown9052 I saw the video of your current flock, they look like they are well cared for and that male you have now is a looker himself!
Sir what is the effect of rebreed my original hen and coock it could affect Thier low station and health I maintain may 50/50 blood composition since they are good fighting style and winner in pit
There are multiple schools of thought on the effects. The simple answer is if you keep breeding young offspring back to the original hen the line will take on more and more traits of the original hen's family. If your stock gets too old fertility will suffer and the chicks may not be as strong.
Do you know anything about Arkansas Montgomery blue traveler game fowl
No experience with them personally but I do have some history on them in my binder I can look up if you'd like
Yes they are my preferred bloodline and I’ve been hoping you’d write back! Are ya on Facebook?
@@BoujeeBantams you the fella with the stag named "Ed"? If so I'll add ya on fb.
Chicken Wired YUP that’s me man.
I have some Silverudd Blue (formerly Silverudd's Blue Isbar) and a Blue Double Laced Barnevelder rooster.
I'm going to breed a fun line by crossing the two and then linebreed and see what's possible. From watching this I'm wondering which colour hen would be best fit to bring out the best qualities of the Silverudd Blue?
I have some other breeding questions but don't want to pester!
Thanks and good video!
I'll try to advise as best I can. The main thing I want to know is what traits or qualities are you trying to transfer from the Silverudd to the cross?
Thanks for getting back to me! The Silverudd are amazing layers and are extremely good foragers. The Barnevelders are great dual purpose and are quite friendly, somewhat the opposite of the Silverudd.
Since they are both carrying the blue gene, will their offspring follow the same breeding protocol regarding the blue/black/splash gene combining or will it bring about a bunch of randomness?
Thanks!
I basically love the colour patterns on both breeds, love the double lacing and easy going nature of the Barnevelder, love the laying of green eggs from the Silverudd.
You are correct, the blue gene will still act the same regardless of patterning. As far as the pattern you will likely have randomness on that bit. Silverudds looks to be based off the crow-wing allele which is dominant to the partridge allele (responsible for the double laced pattern in Barne's if I'm correct). So in short the birds will visually tend more towards the Silverudds in the first generation I believe. Now the green egg gene if I'm correct is dominant. As for temperment and foraging I honestly can't tell you how that'll be inherited.
Thanks buddy I appreciate it a lot!
I have a question, is it possible to make blues using porcelains for breeding?
By Porcelain I'm assuming you are talking about the pattern classically found in D'Uccle bantams. If that is the case then the short answer is no. Porcelain is the Mille Fluer pattern with the addition of the recessive gene known as lavendar. In D'Uccles and Old English bantams a solid lavendar bird is called a "self blue". This is why this gene often gets confused with blue. Pearls in Old English are lavendar mottled.
@@ChickenWired I'm talking about porcelain silkies. So it's not possible to make blue with porcelain?
@@predatorschickens6143 As far as I know porcelain Silkies are lavendar based. So that does mean that true blues cannot be made from them. Sometimes due to naming confusion the lavendar gene gets introduced into a blue line or vice versa which causes all sorts of mix ups. Best advice is if you want blue silkies you'll need to track down some blues or some splashes and blacks to breed together.
@@ChickenWired Okay. What if I bred porcelain to white, what would the results be? Just curious.
@@predatorschickens6143 hard to say for certain as white hides other colors under it. Given that it is silkies and that lavendar is recessive I'd imagine you'd get partridge or something similar to partridge out of that cross.
Is splash the same as spangled?
splash is the pure form of the dominant blue gene. spangled, as it is often referred to, is caused by the recessive mottled gene.
@@ChickenWired ok thank you
WHAT COLOR WILL YOU GET IF YOU BREED A SPLASH TO A GRAY
That'll depend a little. What line of gray and what line is the splash out of?
@@ChickenWired RICHARD KELLY SPLASH MUG AND Harold Brown Silver Back Greys
@@ChickenWired wow thanks
@@ChickenWired the are not wheaton
How do you breed to get the splash pattern.
Option 1 is to breed two blues together. A percentage of the offspring will be splash. Option 2 is breed a splash to a blue. Half of the offspring will be splash. Option 3 is breed two splash together. All of the offspring will be splash.
Okay thank you. I guess I’ll just have to find some blues or splash. I only have blacks whites and a dom hen
@@fernandobueno8776 if you can find one blue, breed it to a black to make more. Then breed the blues together.
splash x splash = 100% splash
Splash has a lot of leaking, so you may get varying degrees of splash i.e. golds and reds leaking through
Splash x blue = ?
splash x blue = splash and blue