@professorfrog7181 along with above statements, if he moved it back to have the water flow over it, it would be closer to the source and so the water output would have been traveling faster over it the closer it is to the initial energy.
I think you're trying a lego version of what is called a Pelton turbine, where you force the fluid to hit a "spoon" on the edge of a radial turbine. This, however, requires a really fast flow (that hits the edge of the blade for max angular moment) and a special design both for the blades and their amount (the flow of water might hit the back of the next blade, lowering power output). I suggest going for the so called Kaplan turbine. Its design will definitely be trickier (I can help), but the fact that it is an axial turbine will let you worry less about the speed of incoming water, but most of all you can still use a flat blade instead of a curved one which is great for Lego. This will undoubtedly improve the performance. Lastly, the output section is really important and it is crucial that you control the flow. Make it a conic shape (with the section increasing downhill): this will slow the flow down and it will maximize the energy that the turbine can absorb)
Doesn’t Kaplan require higher flow rate, Francis turbine would be better but the problem is it requires more head. The problem here is both the head and flow rate are considerably low for any turbine lol
@@CLSHR I think you can't really get any good pressure with lego because of the tolerances. I think it might be better to have the water fall for a couple centimeters by letting it flow out higher to get more energy out of it?
I think youd have more success with fan-shaped or screw-shaped turbines, rather than those paddle-shaped ones. Idk if there are technical terms for those, but there you go. I also dobt know if there are any lego pieces for screw-shaped turbines, but im pretty sure any boat propeller piece would work for the fan-shaped one.
Been a day now since I wrote this, but I just realized that there's also a more efficient option *with* the paddle-shaped turbine: have the water flow over it, rather than under. All the options are more efficient that way, but the paddle shape particularly benefits. It allows the full length of every paddle to be utilized in producing power.
@@sidned5768 yes. I know some irl hydroelectric generators do use that kind of design. I think in this case, a fan or propeller shape would be better, since the screw design probably takes more push to get going than this design can handle. But I may be wrong.
@@downsidebrian well the inlet would need to be by the spillway for that, because you need height and a narrow tube that acts like a pressure chamber - bernoullis law
@@justahyundai I assume you mean about the going over the paddle part. Yeah, you'd have to put the inlet at the lowest point you want the reservoir to get to. That would lose power, since you don't have so much weight behind the flow. But it would increase efficiency and prevent the problems from the paddle getting stuck. Tbh, I haven't studied this stuff. I'm autistic and have a solid intuitive understanding of fluid dynamics, but I don't have the book learning. I'm curious, so I'll be looking at this Bernouli stuff later tonight, but I don't really know the jargon right now. I'm pretty sure you're overall right, and I'm pretty sure my points about efficiency are correct as well.
Pretty cool! But when I look at it, if you want to improve it, then I think that you should make the turbine only let water flow through if it turns the turbine. You could do this multiple ways, but I think that would greatly improve the efficiency of this system. Either way, great job! Very interesting to watch, thank you,
I think that you should use a gearbox with a small gear on the turbine and a big gear on the motor, making this will increase the force and reduce the speed but will make the motor spin and create some power you can store. Also you could calculate the efficiency if measure the power taken by the water pump and the output power of the lego generator. Great project, thanks for sharing!
A proper penstock (from top of water level, to very bottom of tank) would help with water pressure. Also having water exit turbine at only 90* contact area is wasting basically 270* of the wheel surface area (why real ones have a completely circular scroll case.) This scale makes a good turbine design more difficult, but I’m sure it’s possible!
"yes," theres nothing in them that cant handle water, but theyll still rust so repeatedly submerging them and letting them air dry wont do great things over time
I wonder if someone would 3d print you LEGO Pelton Wheel blades? Pelton Wheels remove nearly 100% of the waters kinetic energy. Also, thanks for including the failures! Seeing the process is half the fun for me - the other half is the projects/challenges - and the third half (roll with me on that) is the LEGO!!!!!
Thanks for the comment! I tinkered with gear ratios. Accepting the flow and force of water from the setup is fixed - by reducing the torque to enable the generator to turn more easily meant the speed of rotation within the generator dropped such that it didn’t register on the power meter. A larger volume of water with greater height or an even more efficient turbine design is required.
I would love to see a Turgo turbine designed with Lego, I haven't really figured it out yet. Also, a Francis turbine seems nearly impossible, because you'd have to create the swirl shape and make it water tight. In other words, I'd love to see more of this!
Cool channel, very entertaining yet educational, I can see not only adults but the youth also be interested in what you upload. Just in case nobody's already mentioned this, from what I've gathered, the motor and generator serve different purposes, if you used a generator it would have less resistance and spin faster, which is ideal for what you're doing. Keep up the nice work!
Hey thanks for commenting! The specific LEGO e-motor I’ve used has been designed to act as a generator by LEGO and as you say has less resistance. Despite this the project was complex and difficult! Thanks!
I did too. In 1969 for my 6th Grade science fair in a 10 gallon fish tank. It wasn't nearly as fancy as yours but water did come down a sluice and into a building where it turned a generator that lit a flashlight bulb. I had to have an external power and pump to return water to the reservoir but that was hidden.
I got a question. At 00:23 how can you place bricks one by one and still the structure doesn't move even 1mm. I mean while you press the bricks upon, you SHOULD HAVE move the wall even 1mm away but you don't. How?! =))
It would be really cool if the turbine could generate enough power to operate the water pump, thus creating perpetual energy! My guess is that clever use of gravity would be required.
The amount of work required to pump the water back up is greater than the amount of power you can generate off the water coming down. Some sites are using "water batteries" where they take extra electricity during low demand times to pump the water to a higher reservoir, and then can engage turbines during peak hours to harvest that energy back. It's terribly inefficient, but then most "green" energy is
I think if the turbine had more curve to allow water to travel on it and it entering at better angle would allow it to spin faster rpm with a lot less water
When the dam broke it immediately was clear why dams are thicker on the bottom 😅
And why dams are curved
They are thicc after all
its sad that the battery box when the dam broke also broke you can see the light turned from on to off
They are definitely embedded deeper in to the ground as well
Well he didn't even connect them properly.
If you move the turbine back and have the water flow over it instead of under it will generate more power..
But if you have it flowing on bottom of turbine it will have the excess weight on top creating more force and stronger current.
People today would do anything for more power
@professorfrog7181 water wheels
@professorfrog7181 Water underneath the wheel will only turn the bottom part. If you flow over, it flowers over the top part *and* the side.
@professorfrog7181 along with above statements, if he moved it back to have the water flow over it, it would be closer to the source and so the water output would have been traveling faster over it the closer it is to the initial energy.
I always find these videos interesting cause it's taking whats considered a kids toy and making incredible feats of engineering
Thanks for the support - LEGO is pretty versatile! I see it as scaled-down engineering with so many parts, pretty much anything is possible!
I think you're trying a lego version of what is called a Pelton turbine, where you force the fluid to hit a "spoon" on the edge of a radial turbine. This, however, requires a really fast flow (that hits the edge of the blade for max angular moment) and a special design both for the blades and their amount (the flow of water might hit the back of the next blade, lowering power output).
I suggest going for the so called Kaplan turbine. Its design will definitely be trickier (I can help), but the fact that it is an axial turbine will let you worry less about the speed of incoming water, but most of all you can still use a flat blade instead of a curved one which is great for Lego. This will undoubtedly improve the performance.
Lastly, the output section is really important and it is crucial that you control the flow. Make it a conic shape (with the section increasing downhill): this will slow the flow down and it will maximize the energy that the turbine can absorb)
True but you can mimic a fast flow if you limit the width of the entry pipe, working on the same science as putting your finger over a hosepipe
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 But would there be enough pressure on the water to work that way
@@CLSHR The science suggests so
Doesn’t Kaplan require higher flow rate, Francis turbine would be better but the problem is it requires more head. The problem here is both the head and flow rate are considerably low for any turbine lol
@@CLSHR I think you can't really get any good pressure with lego because of the tolerances. I think it might be better to have the water fall for a couple centimeters by letting it flow out higher to get more energy out of it?
The sight of that battery box and motor fills me with pain, knowing how much those things cost.
And me! But thankfully nothing 48 hours in the airing cupboard couldn’t fix!
@@BuilditwithBricksI honestly can’t tell if that guy is hating or not😂
@@WillieMations clearly not
Мне очень больно за вас , что вид ящика и мотора наполняет вас болью.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I don’t think a beaver built this
Smartest thing soldier tf2 ever said
A beaver probably built this. A big humanoid sentient beaver with posable thumbs.
Beavers are smarter than they look.
the real conspiracy is that a beaver might’ve built this…
and we’re a small part of its bigger hydroelectric plans… 🦫🔋
Lol
This is what real muscular and succesful men watch
I'm 200lb and pretty lean so I can confirm that this statement is true
Why is that?
So I can be muscular and succesful one day@@JonasThente-ji5xx
@@rageboibruh how did you get there? What's your age? Diet? Routine? Job? Marital status? Do you have kids?
@@shingojira5278fr
I think youd have more success with fan-shaped or screw-shaped turbines, rather than those paddle-shaped ones. Idk if there are technical terms for those, but there you go. I also dobt know if there are any lego pieces for screw-shaped turbines, but im pretty sure any boat propeller piece would work for the fan-shaped one.
Been a day now since I wrote this, but I just realized that there's also a more efficient option *with* the paddle-shaped turbine: have the water flow over it, rather than under. All the options are more efficient that way, but the paddle shape particularly benefits. It allows the full length of every paddle to be utilized in producing power.
as in an archimedes scew?
@@sidned5768 yes. I know some irl hydroelectric generators do use that kind of design. I think in this case, a fan or propeller shape would be better, since the screw design probably takes more push to get going than this design can handle. But I may be wrong.
@@downsidebrian well the inlet would need to be by the spillway for that, because you need height and a narrow tube that acts like a pressure chamber - bernoullis law
@@justahyundai I assume you mean about the going over the paddle part. Yeah, you'd have to put the inlet at the lowest point you want the reservoir to get to. That would lose power, since you don't have so much weight behind the flow. But it would increase efficiency and prevent the problems from the paddle getting stuck.
Tbh, I haven't studied this stuff. I'm autistic and have a solid intuitive understanding of fluid dynamics, but I don't have the book learning. I'm curious, so I'll be looking at this Bernouli stuff later tonight, but I don't really know the jargon right now. I'm pretty sure you're overall right, and I'm pretty sure my points about efficiency are correct as well.
Wow ! This is serene and developed.
우와 ! 이것은 고요하고 발전된 것입니다.
I really like Lego models that include water they're so cool
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just as I thought this channel couldn't get any cooler...
Somehow every Lego channel can get cooler…. I don’t know how.
Really cool to see how you managed to get this working!
Thanks! It was quite a tricky build! Hydraulic engineering is difficult!
Would adding scoops to the turbine blades and pouring the water over the turbine instead of under, increase efficiency?
Pretty cool!
But when I look at it, if you want to improve it, then I think that you should make the turbine only let water flow through if it turns the turbine.
You could do this multiple ways, but I think that would greatly improve the efficiency of this system.
Either way, great job! Very interesting to watch, thank you,
I think that you should use a gearbox with a small gear on the turbine and a big gear on the motor, making this will increase the force and reduce the speed but will make the motor spin and create some power you can store. Also you could calculate the efficiency if measure the power taken by the water pump and the output power of the lego generator.
Great project, thanks for sharing!
A proper penstock (from top of water level, to very bottom of tank) would help with water pressure. Also having water exit turbine at only 90* contact area is wasting basically 270* of the wheel surface area (why real ones have a completely circular scroll case.)
This scale makes a good turbine design more difficult, but I’m sure it’s possible!
Lego nuclear power plant
The lego would melt
@@Themanguy436 nahhh it would be finnnneeee
Yes good idea
I would watch it. Probably better than modern school anyway.
@@Themanguy436 200 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.
Love seeing the progress and the interactions with water. Are the lego motors water proof?
"yes," theres nothing in them that cant handle water, but theyll still rust so repeatedly submerging them and letting them air dry wont do great things over time
@@jackradzelovage6961so, no.
the restraint on this guy not to say anything when the dam broke is insane
I wonder if someone would 3d print you LEGO Pelton Wheel blades? Pelton Wheels remove nearly 100% of the waters kinetic energy.
Also, thanks for including the failures! Seeing the process is half the fun for me - the other half is the projects/challenges - and the third half (roll with me on that) is the LEGO!!!!!
Really interesting experience good job 👏
Thanks for the comment!
The first turbine would’ve surely worked if you added some gears, great vid🔥
Could you weave a piece of kitchen plastic wrap in between the layers vertically to improve water retention?
6:40 just change the ratio of the bevel gears and it will work you are making this much harder for yourself mate
Thanks for the comment! I tinkered with gear ratios. Accepting the flow and force of water from the setup is fixed - by reducing the torque to enable the generator to turn more easily meant the speed of rotation within the generator dropped such that it didn’t register on the power meter. A larger volume of water with greater height or an even more efficient turbine design is required.
Finally, the dam worked
I would love to see a Turgo turbine designed with Lego, I haven't really figured it out yet. Also, a Francis turbine seems nearly impossible, because you'd have to create the swirl shape and make it water tight. In other words, I'd love to see more of this!
Your water videos are the best!
Glad you like them!
True, I've always had an interest in hydro engineering like ships sinking or dams and sometimes pipes and stuff like that
I think a simple gearbox would've allowed the turbine to spin easier while still being able to turn the generator
That's really cool! *Now make a lifesize one.*
It would be fun if you added a little employee and/or control room on the top of the dam for minifigs!
aiiiii that first test
Yeah - the battery box took ages to dry out!! Worked perfectly though afterwards!
Amazing idea definitely gonna subscribe to see further content furthermore how much power you think you can generate?
I felt that when it broke 😅
I love your experiments...somehow I feel like you may be my high school science teacher lol
This is incredibly cool.
Dat is prtty darn cool!
Hurga burga Durga?
Cool channel, very entertaining yet educational, I can see not only adults but the youth also be interested in what you upload. Just in case nobody's already mentioned this, from what I've gathered, the motor and generator serve different purposes, if you used a generator it would have less resistance and spin faster, which is ideal for what you're doing. Keep up the nice work!
Hey thanks for commenting! The specific LEGO e-motor I’ve used has been designed to act as a generator by LEGO and as you say has less resistance.
Despite this the project was complex and difficult! Thanks!
3:37 man I flinched even though it wasn't a split second
Next video:i built a lego nucleat power plant
amazing video bro
Thanks!
@@BuilditwithBricks Yeahh, bro
now you need to make one that becomes self sufficient and can run it's own pump lol
Violating laws of physics is fun
When it broke in the first fill I felt so bad😂
Do more stuff with water! 😃
bro frfr, i couldn't live without it
Bro created his own energy source 😂
Try an over run feed to the turbine. That way the weight of water will be pushing down on the blades
hi what are the parts you used for building the turbine? pls tell me asap I wanna do something like this but maybe with wind.
nice!
DAM! That's a lot of work... And work editing!
ooh this gonna be cool love your work
What a Dam good video
Water.))))))
Water 👍
Water 👍🏼
I did too. In 1969 for my 6th Grade science fair in a 10 gallon fish tank. It wasn't nearly as fancy as yours but water did come down a sluice and into a building where it turned a generator that lit a flashlight bulb. I had to have an external power and pump to return water to the reservoir but that was hidden.
That's awesome. Your videos a great!
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate the support.
Dude i love it!
Thanks!!
I love making water pump videos from lego, so I really like your videos, especially the video have water pump
just imagine howmuch preassure is on a normal dam.
Because you had the gear ration set as big to small instead of small to big, improves torque on motor/generator
You can tell that he experience true pain when it first collapsed
I'd have a waterfall falling from the sluice gate onto the turbine to use gravity as well as the movement of the water
Dude awesome!
Thanks!
May I make a suggestion? Use more paddles for the turbine itself.
if you manage to force the water to "fall" directly onto the turbine you could abuse earth's gravity pull to an extent
3:30
Właśnie chciałem powiedzieć że lepiej nie dawać elektrycznych urządzeń przywodzie
I got a question. At 00:23 how can you place bricks one by one and still the structure doesn't move even 1mm. I mean while you press the bricks upon, you SHOULD HAVE move the wall even 1mm away but you don't. How?! =))
I don't know much about lego...
Or dams...
But this pretty cool
I know that those battery boxes aren't typcially waterproof...
DAMMMMMM this video was good.
Dam, that's cool
Return angle are expansive.
If you need a idee, you can do seed press or oil press with really seeds
Good job. You converted like 10 watts from the pump to like 0.1 watts or less (;
Wow! Yet another great video. Keep it up! :)
Did you use glue to connect the lego to the glass? And did you use it all the way round or just at the bottom?
I had to use sealant as the tank wasn’t an exact size fit to the Lego pieces. Just ordinary clear sealant round the bottom and the edges.
LoL fun exersize ... you should calculate the power efficiency ... consider higher reduction gear on the power wheel for turbine
where do you get your legos from?
Mainly from old sets and Bricklink!
a couple more lego dams and you wont have to pay the eletricity bill!
Bro learned real quick why dams are not flat walls lol
Dont know for sure but maybe some cogwheels can help a bit
The last words should have been: "UNLIMITED POWAAAAAA!!!"
Where can we buy this amazing
3:30 Never watched Lego dam breach experiments before, huh? Also, i noticed you didn't twist the stones while building your dam.
It would be really cool if the turbine could generate enough power to operate the water pump, thus creating perpetual energy! My guess is that clever use of gravity would be required.
The amount of work required to pump the water back up is greater than the amount of power you can generate off the water coming down. Some sites are using "water batteries" where they take extra electricity during low demand times to pump the water to a higher reservoir, and then can engage turbines during peak hours to harvest that energy back. It's terribly inefficient, but then most "green" energy is
I think if the turbine had more curve to allow water to travel on it and it entering at better angle would allow it to spin faster rpm with a lot less water
if u use turbine no.2 and make it angled it will work perfectly
3:39 Dam it! Oh and by the way, maybe you meant "First kill"
its a shame this video only has 925 likes in four days
Love lego
Wonder why they don't have a series of turbines instead of just 1, isn't it more efficient?
How much power was used on the original pumps?
So cool!
谢谢分享！太开心了😊
Wow
This is cool
I think I am the only one to nevwr play LEGO!
3:28 this is why dams are curved nowards the water flow.
"Good exit flow"
"Thats what she said" ~ Michael Scott
Name checks out
Where did you get the generator motor and the battery box from
It’s an e-motor and accompanying power meter from the renewable energy sets.
That was interesting to get to see what happens when a dam is not built properly🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
my man working at hydro-quebec tabarnak
100 commen tthis is a great build keep up the work
Amazing one!
make a oil rig next please any of your water videos are awesome!!
Adorable ^×^