Im a BJJ practitioner and some of my colleagues have Shotokan blackbelts. They are good people with great athletic ability, balance and strength. They're confident on their feet as well as on the ground. Don't count shotokan out by no means.
@@sliderx1897 Yeah... BJJ guys tend to be a little more combat oriented and critic, so when they see that a traditional stuff works, they get pretty impressed(and satisfied to say so), when don't works, well, just I have to agree with them, It's dance/bullshit
@@sardalamit Amit, never once did I think of my karate trainning in a yearly manner. On the contrary, I always took my trainning (and still do) on a daily basis. Kind of like trying to eat an elephant, if you think about the size you might just give up. The trick is to eat it one bite at a time, and to always be a little hungrey. The 40 year span only dawned on me during the isolation of the pandemic, as i continued to try to maintain my trainning. And as I get ready to train tomorrow I wonder what else I might learn or clarify what I already know, the thing is I now don't know where I end and my karate begins ?? ;-) Oss!
It really does make me pause when I see people go on about how MMA is somehow different from traditional martial arts. It's there in the name. Mixed MARTIAL ARTS. As in, taking multiple elements from different disciplines. Do people really think that MMA somehow reinvented the straight punch or has its own version of a roundhouse kick? Do they think that the superman punch was invented in the cage? Really? I really do appreciate your work that helps to show that there IS no gap when it comes to technique. This video showcases the difference between the mindset of traditional martial arts and MMA beautifully: One is an occupation, the other is a journey.
I agree, Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson is an exciting fighter to watch. Plus I like how he remembers the discipline and respect side of traditional martial arts both in and out of the Octagon.
I used to think Shotokan was a joke as a self defense form due to my experience with their limited sparring. I had to realize that my subjective experience doesn't speak for all of the art. I've also noticed that there are those who practice sparring similar to Kyokushin. I've sparred with one person who did Shotokan... A punch to the chest about rocked the hell out of my insides. As you've said.... I didn't realize that the higher the rank, the more they are allowed to employ more free reaction defense VS one step sparring. That is actually a good sign because that means that they are trained to used their head to imply tools to best fit a high stress situation And MMA? Lyoto Mashida.... Dude literally rocked MMA with a devastating usage of not Kyokushin, which would have been understandable.... But Shotokan. And literally used form signatures to win fights, even becoming a champion. It was a major eye opener. There is definitely use for in and out offense. It's not merely a point sparring tactic. Blah blah blah... It can totally be revised for combat sparring but with the intended use, I choose not to judge it too hard. A lifestyle doesn't have to cater to MMA viability. But that doesn't mean that it cannot be viable, as we've seen. It has the tools, just requires one with the ingenuity to employ. It effectively.
I really like this comment Brian, I think you highlight a major roadblock people encounter and don't realize that they encounter it; subjectivity. I love that you took a step back and opened your mind and got more insight on the scenario and then came to an educated conclusion. I wish more martial artists would do this, but instead many people use their art as part of their identity and therefor feel threatened when it's scrutinized. Every art can be good (from a good school)...if you find the right context for it.
Lyoto Machida is the best example of how traditional Shotokan works in the cage. And Kyoji Horiguchi, in my humble opinion, would be a great example of how sport Karate (a.k.a point Karate) works in the cage. If you don't know about him, check him out, he is considered the best p4p Japanese MMA fighter
That was a fantastic presentation. As a Shotokan practioner for 35 years, I can say that you accurately captured many of the aspects of Shotokan. Also very impressed with your observation of how Shotokan and other traditional styles are applied in MMA when it’s not immediately obvious to the casual observer. It’s always refreshing when a student of a particular style like yours, can give an objective, non-critical view of another style. I get turned-off by those (even Shotokan students) who criticize styles other than their own. There’s always something to learn and apply from other styles.
Thank you for these videos. I fell in love with Shotokan karate as a youth, and was fortunate to train at one point with Sensei Kanazawa, now departed, and founder of SKIF Shotokan Karate International Federation. I can attest to the efficacy of the techniques in real life, which unfortunately I have used when attacked in real life. I would like to add that there is a huge, portion of explaining bio-mechanics and also strategy once you reach upper belts, brown and above. There is training while on free sparring to understand distance, fake moves, and strikes both as an agressor and when you counter. The kime during this time is amazing, and you feel the power and destructive intent of the other person. Many bruises, broken bones and understaning exhaustion will pay off on a real fight when no points matter and you have to react and survive instead of decide what to do. It has helped me transtition into learning Kendo for the past 7 years. Please continue these wonderful videos about all the martial arts, they are very informative and educational.
Even though I do not train in Shotokan, I do agree with you about kata, kihon, and kumite, especially kumite, and I do agree with you about many mma fighters have a traditional karate background, cause many of these mma fanboys on RUclips badmouth and look down on Karate saying it doesn't work in mma, which that is not the case, and you just showed them some great examples, I know I said this before, but again you outdone yourself on the Shotokan history so far, and I thought this was a two part video, not that it matters, either way you're doing great sensei, keep up the good work, and when you get the chance in the future could you do Goju Ryu? I know it may not be the next project, but in the future please? That would be terrific!
12:25 One small correction, Taekwondo stylist call their kata "poomse". Tang Soo Do stylists call theirs "hyung". I know its a bit trivial, but generally each group does have their preference. In 30 years I don't think I've ever heard a TSD stylist say poomse. TKD guys I'm sure they've said hyung, but generally poomse.
Great video! Like MMA fighters there are also Kickboxers who trained in shotokan or arts that influenced it like Taekwondo and Kyokushin to name a few and had success. Stephen wonderboy Thompson uses karate in MMA with success but before that he was also an undefeated kickboxer. If I'm not mistakened my instructor used karate and taekwondo to great effect back when competed in kickboxing years ago. Conor Mcgregor uses elements of Karate to great effect too even though he never trained in it prior to being in MMA.
McGregor's head coach is John Kavanagh - a shotokan black belt and his life time training partner is Gunar Nelson - Goju Ryu black belt and karate champion. He absorb it and apply it perfectly to his game..added with his ultra insinct then we have the UFC superstar as a representative of shotokan style in MMA. Osu!
In my Shihan's training hall at my Kyokushin dojo, our belts system is similar to Shotokan, only solid belt color's, although, perhaps some Karate and off shoot from Karate Org. do have stripes on their belts. Definitely a big fan of Enoeda and Kanazawa in their Shotokan discipline. Big respect for Shotokan. Osu!!
I was eagerly awaiting this second episode on the martial art of Shotokan Karate Sensei Dan! It is clearly evident that Sosai Oyama Masutatsu, took philosophical aspects such as the Dojo Kun, from master Funakoshi Gichin for the guiding principles of Kyokushin Karate. Like Shotokan Karate we begin and end our training, in seiza and also meditate, should a student be late for training, they also need to kneel down in seiza, waiting for the teacher or master, to tell them to stand up and join the rest of the class, by lining up at the back. We also line up in ranking order, as is also the case with Shotokan Karate. When it comes to Kata performances, we to stress the importance of beginning and concluding the kata, in its exact place in order to show, that one is performing the stances, consistently and correctly, throughout the entire duration of the kata. As for ippon kumite, even in Kyokushin Karate too many people dismiss its validity, efficiency and practicality. I for one believe that while it is not real combat fighting per say, it does teach one proper control to make light contact, at full speed and without injuring your partner. Also to develop sharp reflexes, timing, distance and impeccable technique. This when it comes to full contact fighting, can enhance one's footwork, speed, reflex reaction, accuracy, as well excellent execution of techniques. One perfect example of this, is Sensei Raymond Daniels, of American Kenpo Karate, nowadays a full contact Kickboxing world champion, with Bellator MMA, as well as a former Glory Kickboxing, world top fighter, as well as a highly accomplished mixed martial arts, professional competitor. He often credits point fighting (ippon kumite) sparring, as the reason for his devastating, accurate, rapid and sporadic, reacting reflex attacks, during his fights. Kumite however is the actual engagement of full contact fighting between two martial artists, where they both test their actual fighting abilities, without the need to hold back, also a test of their physical, body conditioning in enduring full on strikes to the body and face. Three or five step fighting is where as you highlighted with Lyoto 'The Dragon ' Machida, that those choreographed, fighting drills, can be applied in a real fight situation or at mixed martial arts competitions, such as the UFC, where grappling, ground fighting, leg sweeps, throws, submissions and so forth, are permitted in addition to striking techniques, usually only allowed in stand up fighting rules. Of course with anything, the key is constant repetitive practice, until it becomes natural, reactionary, instinctive, second nature. It was great to see, that you have showcased one of the best examples, of the efficiency of Shotokan Karate, in a real fight, as greatly demonstrated by Lyoto Machida of Brazil, during a number of his UFC fights! He was once the UFC, lightweight world champion, of which his footwork, as well fighting style was so elusive and problematic to many of the UFC top fighters. One of them was his fellow Brazilian countryman, Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua, who after having lost to Lyoto 'The Dragon' Machida, he had to hire the training services of top K-1 World Grand Prix kickboxing fighter, Sensei Glaube Feitosa of Kyokushinkaikan Karate Brazil. After doing so Mauricio Rua was able to defeat, avenge his previous loss and take the UFC, light heavyweight championship belt, from Shotokan Karate's formidable Lyoto Machida. It was amazing to see the likes of Chuck Lidell, Georges St. Pierre, Bas Rutten and Anderson Silva, all former UFC world champions, who emanated from Karate or taekwondo styles, that were directly influenced in terms of their fighting styles' creation, by Shotokan Karate, highlighting that traditional martial arts do actually work in MMA competitions. It was fascinating to see that Shotokan Karate renamed its katas from their original Chinese names, to more sounding Japanese ones, yet styles such as Tang Soo Do and Kyokushin Karate for example, have reverted back to the original Chinese names of the katas. Again you have exceeded all my expectations, with this second episode Sensei Dan, the highlights for me were the mention of those legendary, mixed martial arts legends of the UFC. I anticipate with excited interest, your third and final episode, on the art of Shotokan Karate. I hope that your week is off to a good start Sensei Dan, all the best to you, your team as well as your respective families and friends, Osu!🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋🤟👍✌
Thank you for verifying my beliefs about the relationship between SHOTOKAN and TANGSOODO / TAEKWONDO.. your knowledge and open attitude combined with the Facts you present and back up is AMAZING!.. Respectfully a 55 year student of TANGSOODO / TAEKWONDO & Now SHOTOKAN. Oss
Traditional Martial Artists knew about the "Calf Kick" years ago. MMA guys pretty much learned about it in 2018. The fact that professional MMA athletes train almost 5 times as many hours during the week as a guy with a regular 9 to 5 job, Skews most people's opinion of how great MMA training really is ;)
I think the issue with TMA vs. MMA is not that MMA has special techniques that aren't found in other styles - by it's very nature it is a conglomeration of a lot of existing techniques. We could argue back and forth that there are a STANDARD set of striking and grappling techniques that yield high percentage success in MMA competition (your jabs, crosses, hooks, sprawls, rear naked chokes, so on so forth) but that's not the point I'm trying to make. For me, what separates MMA from the traditional styles is its direct approach to fight training. MMA training emphasizes drills and routines that yield a direct result in competition, whereas a lot of TMA styles have multiple goals besides one on one hand to hand combat. Kata training is great, and if your instructor understands how to breakdown the movements of the kata to apply it to the kihon, even better, but it is NOT the most effective way to teach someone how to fight. It is artistic and beautiful, but if the goal is to create a fighter, it's one of the least effective methods available. So, with regards to someone like Lyoto Machida, he could be a Karate black belt, a Tae Kwon Do black belt, or a Choy Li Fut expert, it really doesn't matter what his style is because his training methods were directly oriented toward his success in the cage. To make a long story short, it's about the training methods and the goal, not the style.
This is absolutely the right perspective! I do want to add that for MMA they are training not to just become fighters, but professional sport fighters. This is very different than everyday self defense. MMA fighters will hold their own just fine but there are aspects of TMA that are taught that you don't find in an MMA gym than can help in self defense, such as surveying and being aware of the environment, multiple attackers, and weapons. And while multiple attackers and weapons are pretty much a lose situation, there is still an awareness and thought process taught with that. In MMA, fighters train for one on one, on level ground in a closed environment with a referee. Now...if you get a traditional martial artist that applies the rigorous training and sparring of an MMA fighter...then you have one hell of a warrior.
@@ArtofOneDojo Heartily agree, as long as we're talking about a TMA that really practices self-defense, and doesn't just use "Self-defense" as an excuse to not spar practically. I've been to many a TMA school whose "situational awareness" training is just "look around the room, does he have friends?" without a mention of how to de-escalate a situation or a realistic approach to handling multiple attackers (I've seen more than one fifth degree black belt talk about deflecting someone's punch into another person, which just isn't how that's going to work.) And of course when we're talking about weapons, it kind of depends on what weapons you're talking about. If you're using practical weapons that the average person would come face to face with, and training with them in a realistic manner, then sure. If you whip out a katana or a three quarter staff, suddenly the "Weapons" training becomes a lot less important. But at the end of the day, it's about the method. If your goal is self defense or MMA, you should be training like an athlete.
I can relate to the Kiai and power. I used it to break a lot of boards and back in my Taekwondo days. I haven't broken anything in my Shotokan training yet other than out in a sweat.:)
I did Shotokan over 15 years ago, not going to lie I don't miss the kata but I credit it for teaching me how to punch. Now doing MMA I'm greatful for the Shotokan foundation.
It's all about learning how to apply the techniques. So many techniques fall under the category of "well that would never work" until someone actually does it. Before Machida I don't think anyone would think they would see "crane kicks" to the face in a major MMA promotion. That being said, that's a very high risk technique for most guys (namely, one's who come from wrestling or grappling background), so a "wrestleboxer" is probably going to suffice with learning how to throw a halfway decent low kick. I do love seeing guys like Machida, Thompson, Barboza, etc. It gets boring when everyone is doing the same stuff. I should note that this is not limited to "traditional" martial arts either. Judo is kind of considered on the threshold of "modern" and "traditional" (although this dichotomy is somewhat problematic anyway; what part of judo is non-traditional? It has all the same etiquette as karate... in any case...), but I don't think anyone thought they would see a sumi-gaeshi from a standing ude-garami position (that rarely happens even in a judogi, let alone with half naked sweaty dudes), but then Karo Parisyan did it multiple times. It just takes one guy to demonstrate that it can be done.
it was a flying front kick found in almost every striking art, not any crane kick.The sumi gaeshi is one of the easiest throws to use in a grappling situation.
@@scarred10 I know it wasn't a crane kick. That's why I put it in quotations. That's what people were calling it. Re: sumi gaeshi. In and of itself it's an easy throw, meaning the mechanics of it are easy. Does that mean it is easy to do from a standing kimura (ude garami) position and then retain control and tap the guy out from it? And this in a no gi setting where everything is slippery? If it were that easy it would be more common.
How about a little on Kenneth Funakoshi of Hawaii, nephew of Gichin, head instructor of Funakoshi Shotokan ? Also when training as a younger man, I remember reading that another highly proficient fighter was considered as the man to be sent to Japan, but Gichin was selected instead because of his demeanor.
When I was in my late teens I trained in Tang Soo Do for about a year. I left it, mainly cause I had no way of continuing to pay the monthly fees. Had to work to support my mother who made around minimum wage. I got my daughter into shotokan when she was about 6. She's 18 now. I did my best to support her. Now my youngest is 10 and she too is add it. Figured why not try again, almost 50 but passion has no limit!
Could you make some kind of video about hokutoryu jujutsu? I think it whould be really cool style to cover since there is so many countries these day were they practise it. There is Interesting history behind it too!
I used to train in shotokan when I was younger and it actually saved me from getting a smashed in face. Not during a fight, but from a a high speed cricket ball at school. It hit a rubber disk on the ground and bounced up in an unexpected way and was only a few inches from my face when I just reacted and blocked it out of the way. That was the only time I ever used it and I doubt I could have done that intentionally, but it definitely saved my face for sure. Bruised my wrist pretty badly though.
I cannot deny that your wisdom and knowledge of Shotokan karate is very accurate as well as our research, I won't lie I used to think that MMA was a disgrace to all martial arts, cuz of the attitudes tattoos in the way they been treating each other lately, I mostly seen a lot of freestyle Fighters and I didn't think much of it. Thank you for the lesson sir oh, and I will be in open minded
I learned Muay Thai when I was young now I’m 22 and I want to learn karate , and one thing that’s weird is that I’m not a lyoto fan but I always liked lyotos fighting style whether watching him fight or in a video game lol and now I come across that he used some shotokan gives me more confidence to learn karate .
at 19:10 you can see the attacker Keinosuke Enoeda (4 July 1935 - 29 March 2003), who was a Japanese master of Shotokan karate. He was a former Chief Instructor of the Karate Union of Great Britain. Enoeda was ranked 8th dan in Shotokan karate, and was widely renowned as a formidable karateka. He sat in judgement of many of my gradings in the 1970s. I saw him give demonstrations, and, he was the first man that I ever saw who could move so fast that it was a blur.
Thankyou for a nice video. And your other videos too ! We mustn't forget tho that karate was originally for self-defense only, centred around kata. Originally there was no kihon, or what we know today as kumite. While all the realistic self-defense ('fighting') techniques are coded into the kata, few schools ('traditional' or not) can teach these today, because over time the knowledge has been lost / watered-down. So without their original context, kata are often seen by students as no more than choreographies, for grading or competition. People think that today's competition kumite is the fighting side of karate, when actually it's uniquely the *sports side, which only existed officially after Funakoshi's death (ie. after 1957). Osu !
I was just trying to find out what happened to Rod Prejhon the 4th degree black belt sensei in Lake Charles La. I studied under him in late 70's & early 80's. He had Jean McComb US tile holder kick boxer PKA in his dojo then.
I believe there are a few all around Houston area. I know it's far but there is one in Huntsville and my hometown madisonville had one I went to as a teen
As with the philosophies of Karate, true that there is no first strike in Karate as with the katas. Almost all katas start as defensive. The only exception are The Sokugi katas of Kyokushin in which it starts as an attack.
This is really educational. A correction on the linguistic meaning of kata, though: it's not a contraction of katachi. Katachi (形) is "form" as in physical shape and structure. Kata (型) is "model," as in a prescribed set of moves to teach the basics.
Shotokan in MMA should also mentions those amazing athletes that were not have degree in Karate but very succesful in implementing the art in the MMA. Just mention two biggest star champ-champ in UFC: Connor McGregor and Henry Cejudo. These two guys apply shotokan style and principles better than any Shotokan blackbelt. In Belator it has Patricio Pitbull as one of the current champ-champ of Belator - and his style is like a shotokan karate master - you'll see Machida's upgraded version at the very best! In fact, Cejudo got his new style from Pibull's karate trainer.
I enjoy your channel and the meticulous research that you put towards the subject matter. If I may however share with you a bit more information about the Dojo Kun. What you have highlighted in this segment is true, but a lot of older books and manuscripts tell that the five dojo kun are showcased numerically with just the number one. For example: 1. Seek perfection of character 1. Be faithful 1. Endeavor to excel 1. Respect others 1. Refrain from violent behavior This was done like this as Funakoshi felt that these principles were all equally important.
With Karate's introduction into the Olympics in the upcoming Tokyo Games, I am curious to know more about the different Shotokan organizations around the world (i.e. which are recognized in their respective regions) and to know what the competitive circuit looks like in the present day to get an idea about how a karate athlete ends up competing in the Olympics. For example, in the history section of The Shotokan Karate Bible, I read that there seems to be two distinct groups in Japan, the JKA and JKS. How does the World Shotokan Karate-Do Federation (WSKF) fit into the picture? Are one of these groups recognized over the other in Japan or do they both compete in some national/international circuit?
These were both really well researched videos, really well made. I've enjoyed stuff from your channel before. Shotokan was my first martial art, so I'll always have a soft spot for it. I really liked your breakdown on the various MMA fighters that use Shoto/Karate style striking, but how could you leave out Stephen Thompson? I think you had some footage of him in there. He's up there with Machida in terms of prolific Karate using MMA fighters to me.
Japanese Jujitsu is a complete art it has a combination of stand up grappling , striking, and ground techniques. Brazilian Jujitsu just concentrate on the ground techniques. Traditional Jujitsu is the ancestor of Aikido.
Amazing video! I've always touted Shotokan karate as practical in MMA and even in the streets. However, Stephen Thompson is not a low level fighter! You should have also put Anthony Pettis and Benson Henderson on the list BUT I understand you can't put everyone! Either way, again, amazing video.
In Hung Gar Kung Fu, we also start and finish our Kuens (Katas) in the same place. So this is older than sensei Funakoshi. I'm not sure, but I believe this is something done in all chinese martial arts since they were invented....
The Chinese has a saying "All [Chinese] martial arts came from Shaolin", and we knew Karate was heavily influenced by Chinese martial arts. Maybe Funakoshi wasn't the one that came up with the idea, who knows. But does it really matter?
@@shazamsakazaki No it does not, but in here we all, Karate students, Kung Fu students, TKD students, etc, are trying to learn. So I was participating and not only correcting, while giving my experience.
Good job for a Non Shotokan practitioner especially the history. One thing left out is between Ippone and Go No Sen is Ten No Sen (10 step), then actual Kumite. Then I wonder will you make a third video from 1957 forward, when Funakoshi Sensei passed away, the split in Shotokan and Shotokai with Egami Sensei and Nakayama Sensei? I began with Shotokai first then to Shotokan though they are from the same person, once they were labelled after his passing the philosophy differed much between the JKA and Shotokai who did not believe in Competition. Is this one you plan to make to wrap it up to modern times? Pus perhaps on how few 1 -3rd Generation Sensei's are even still alive today? That itself is its own video I would think. I trained in Kenpo for 9 years as a youth to near adulthood in Parker system as well as Kickboxing. That experience in Kenpo and Kickboxing made me well prepared for the very hard classes of Shotokan that my 2nd Generation Sensei taught, his teacher is living still in Atsugi Japan and is a student of Funakoshi. Lineage can matter to a degree I feel, only because translations can be lost easily if not interpreted and taught correctly to even later students doing exactly as they should do and making the art their own and work for them. For me having such close ties to him made a big difference in what learned and see in schools that have teachers easily 8-12th Generations removed by now. Much information is lost and I am one of them trying to teach Bunkai to students in their Kata as each have found it truly has helped them. Especially once they understood that every Strike can also be a block, grab or throw.... this now changes everything you think you see. Add partners to the Kata practice and watch how advanced some Bunkai are and how many schools sadly do not teach them nor do teach pressure testing which I heard you mention. In my days, we did wear any gear to spar. Now days that is rare. You are correct about MMA and Shotokan as well already existing withing it as many other arts were heavily influenced by Shotokan as you pointed out. I do recommend that third video from 1957 onward focusing on the split and now the healing, I call it, between the two now that both are no longer here to push the seperation. I find many from both Shotokan and Shotokai wanting to merge more, though not as much with the JKA, they are their own entity now and many do not work with them and are with either other large ones such as ISKF , Asai, to the JKAA or in none of the organizations directly. I am not a member of any of them though each have invited me to join, I will not leave my teacher nor his while they still remain. Perhaps once I have no one to help me move forward more within the art I would consider it then. Its pure honor to my teachers. Like you said, their are two kinds of MMA but they are the same in essence, one just pre-dates the Cage era when artist cross trained. I have a 1st degree in TKD, 5th in Kenpo and testing for 5th this year in Shotokan after 30 years with them now. Cage fighting or UFC was not around in my days. I was getting too old by the time they started off. Do you cross train or have rank on other arts?
We do touch a little bit on The Shotokai, JKA, and SKA in part 3. I wanted to cover more of it be we need more time to go into them in proper detail so this is just an intro. I do cross train, Kenpo is my base but I've had a little bit of BJJ when my previous instructor started teaching MMA classes and now i also currently train at a Japanese JuJutsu school, 5th Kyu in San Yama Bushi Ryu and we're also doing Judo in class as well.
@@ArtofOneDojo Is part 3 out yet? I would say yes its allot of research to do on the history. It very much bitterness between Egami Sensei and Nakayamas JKA. Even now 50 plus years later the two are starting to combine again, however its much harder to find Shotokai these days. Most never knew that neither are really the names of any style, one is pine waves house and the other pine waves group. Both Funakoshi.
It was originally called Shotokan yes. (It didn’t have a name in Japan at the time) And every technique they use can be found in Shotokan along with other Karate styles. Their style would go along the lines of full contact Shotokan (the REAL Shotokan, just look at Karate Combat). Ryu was based on Mas Oyama and Ken was based on Joe Lewis when they were created. But in modern day Lyoto Machida’s is definitely textbook Ryu story (trained from a young age under a Japanese master and even looks like him) and I would say Wonderboy Thompson is Ken. Their style is Ansatsuken, a Japanese MMA mix of Japanese Karate as whole (not strictly Shotokan, Goju Ryu, or Kyokushin), Shorinji Kempo, Judo, Jujutsu, TKD, and Kickboxing. However each one has had distinct techniques over the other that show what they favor. For the 3 big Shotos: Ryu being more grounded and a fundamentalist uses straight to the point hard techniques such has his reverse punch and side kicks which are most seen in Shotokan as well as Judo throws (Seionage and Tomoenage). Ken is more Kyokushin/Kickboxing and Judo based with his flashy follow through kicks and Rolling Thunder also with Judo throws. Akuma is Goju Ryu and Shorinji Kempo with combining hard and soft techniques like lots of open hand strikes and brutal kicks as well as rapid fire Raging Demon. So each fighter has a “feel” of Ansatsuken. But yes as of today, many like myself still view Lyoto Machida as the modern day Ryu. Literally went to fight every style with fighters at the highest level using Shotokan. Osu! 🥋
i wanted to make a possible correction about the tang soo do forms bieng called poomsae.in my understanding they are called hyungs.you said in the video tang soo dos forms are called poomsae.this name for the forms is from the korean brother art tae kwon do.these bieng the descriptions for each respective art in place of kata this may have gotten lost in the information bieng that thier are some actual tae kwon do schools that derive from the original moo duk kwan schools.cuasing confusion on the names for each arts forms?
Althogh Shotokan still is very “tradition” . But .. actually.. their tempo and range is good . This is why some Shotokan Krater can go to do some higher level competition once they are being trained.. Hmm.. this is not Manga or movie ... But .. if some people relay want experience some traditional Keate. , Shotokan is a very good option
You forgot talking about Conor Mcgregor. His signature move of the left counter is so Shotokan. Of course that goes as well to his stance and what he does with his lead hand. It’s so Shotokan stance and so Shotokan lead hand tools & options.
@@ArtofOneDojo awesome! I live in east tennessee and it seems like my area has always had more isshinryu karate than any other. Either that or the Korean arts.
Mixed martial arts is it supposed to be exactly what it is mix martial arts taken from other martial arts parts that actually work for you and show to be effective what is not effective is throwing out and throwing away
Thank you! That I finally can confirm my thoughts to my boxing friends, that that shotokan is used in MMA. Long story short, I argued that Conor McGregor uses shotokan. What's your opinion?
Conor is definitely a karate-boxer, but it's hard to discern whether he uses Shotokan or Goju-Ryu. His training partner, Gunnar Nelson, is a Goju-Ryu black belt and uses the same stance at all times that Conor primarily uses at long range. He falls back on boxing at close range, however.
Sometimes it isn't the style, but the school. One dojo will work completely differently to another and due to this, you will find some McDojos. Doesn't mean that the entire style is bad or good.
Taekwondo is an offshoot of Tang Soo Do which was based on Shotokan :D And Shotokan was based on Shorin Ryu, which was Shuri Te, one of the oldest styles of Karate. :) Maybe they're all number 1.
@@ArtofOneDojo perfect answer Sensei Dan, we are an evolution, or progression from Shotokan Karate, as well as Go-Ju Ryu Karate, without neither of them Kyokushin Karate would not exist. Well at least not as we know it, so Shotokan Karate is fundamental to our Kyokushin Karate, Osu!
Im a BJJ practitioner and some of my colleagues have Shotokan blackbelts. They are good people with great athletic ability, balance and strength. They're confident on their feet as well as on the ground. Don't count shotokan out by no means.
Its good to hear a bjj person say so, oss
I am BJJ and Shotokan practicioner. As I learn new stuff in karate my bjj game goes up like, 400%
@@victorribeiro2431 and as you get super advanced in karate you will start to realize many of the bjj movements already existed in the karate katas
@@sliderx1897 Tekki shodan is somethimg that helps with mount scapes into half guard.
@@sliderx1897 Yeah... BJJ guys tend to be a little more combat oriented and critic, so when they see that a traditional stuff works, they get pretty impressed(and satisfied to say so), when don't works, well, just I have to agree with them, It's dance/bullshit
My 40th year as a student of Shotokan Karate and still learning, thanks so much for the video ,.. Oss !
My 55 th year and I 2nd your motion Sir!
40 years! Wow... Oss
@@DavidLee-no9uc you have been training longer than I have been alive! Doing martial arts for a year now. At age 38.
@@sardalamit Amit, never once did I think of my karate trainning in a yearly manner. On the contrary, I always took my trainning (and still do) on a daily basis. Kind of like trying to eat an elephant, if you think about the size you might just give up. The trick is to eat it one bite at a time, and to always be a little hungrey. The 40 year span only dawned on me during the isolation of the pandemic, as i continued to try to maintain my trainning. And as I get ready to train tomorrow I wonder what else I might learn or clarify what I already know, the thing is I now don't know where I end and my karate begins ?? ;-) Oss!
@@rickmcgibbon6290 thank you for the motivation Sensei! Yes..one step at a time..
It really does make me pause when I see people go on about how MMA is somehow different from traditional martial arts. It's there in the name. Mixed MARTIAL ARTS. As in, taking multiple elements from different disciplines. Do people really think that MMA somehow reinvented the straight punch or has its own version of a roundhouse kick? Do they think that the superman punch was invented in the cage? Really? I really do appreciate your work that helps to show that there IS no gap when it comes to technique. This video showcases the difference between the mindset of traditional martial arts and MMA beautifully: One is an occupation, the other is a journey.
Lyoto Machida will always be one of my favorite fighters plus Gsp and Wonderboy aswell Oss!
I agree, Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson is an exciting fighter to watch. Plus I like how he remembers the discipline and respect side of traditional martial arts both in and out of the Octagon.
gsp is kyokushin
@@iwanttorememberyourthought2656 he didnt say he's not
I used to think Shotokan was a joke as a self defense form due to my experience with their limited sparring.
I had to realize that my subjective experience doesn't speak for all of the art. I've also noticed that there are those who practice sparring similar to Kyokushin.
I've sparred with one person who did Shotokan... A punch to the chest about rocked the hell out of my insides. As you've said.... I didn't realize that the higher the rank, the more they are allowed to employ more free reaction defense VS one step sparring. That is actually a good sign because that means that they are trained to used their head to imply tools to best fit a high stress situation
And MMA? Lyoto Mashida.... Dude literally rocked MMA with a devastating usage of not Kyokushin, which would have been understandable.... But Shotokan. And literally used form signatures to win fights, even becoming a champion. It was a major eye opener.
There is definitely use for in and out offense. It's not merely a point sparring tactic.
Blah blah blah... It can totally be revised for combat sparring but with the intended use, I choose not to judge it too hard. A lifestyle doesn't have to cater to MMA viability. But that doesn't mean that it cannot be viable, as we've seen. It has the tools, just requires one with the ingenuity to employ. It effectively.
I really like this comment Brian, I think you highlight a major roadblock people encounter and don't realize that they encounter it; subjectivity. I love that you took a step back and opened your mind and got more insight on the scenario and then came to an educated conclusion. I wish more martial artists would do this, but instead many people use their art as part of their identity and therefor feel threatened when it's scrutinized.
Every art can be good (from a good school)...if you find the right context for it.
Exactly, most ppl view shotokan from a very beginner level and judge the whole art on it
If you want to spar more ask someone in your dojo and you can spar with them maybe.
Lyoto Machida is the best example of how traditional Shotokan works in the cage. And Kyoji Horiguchi, in my humble opinion, would be a great example of how sport Karate (a.k.a point Karate) works in the cage. If you don't know about him, check him out, he is considered the best p4p Japanese MMA fighter
Kyoji is awesome
That was a fantastic presentation. As a Shotokan practioner for 35 years, I can say that you accurately captured many of the aspects of Shotokan. Also very impressed with your observation of how Shotokan and other traditional styles are applied in MMA when it’s not immediately obvious to the casual observer. It’s always refreshing when a student of a particular style like yours, can give an objective, non-critical view of another style. I get turned-off by those (even Shotokan students) who criticize styles other than their own. There’s always something to learn and apply from other styles.
Thank you for these videos. I fell in love with Shotokan karate as a youth, and was fortunate to train at one point with Sensei Kanazawa, now departed, and founder of SKIF Shotokan Karate International Federation. I can attest to the efficacy of the techniques in real life, which unfortunately I have used when attacked in real life. I would like to add that there is a huge, portion of explaining bio-mechanics and also strategy once you reach upper belts, brown and above. There is training while on free sparring to understand distance, fake moves, and strikes both as an agressor and when you counter. The kime during this time is amazing, and you feel the power and destructive intent of the other person. Many bruises, broken bones and understaning exhaustion will pay off on a real fight when no points matter and you have to react and survive instead of decide what to do. It has helped me transtition into learning Kendo for the past 7 years. Please continue these wonderful videos about all the martial arts, they are very informative and educational.
I like this guy he's a lifelong karate guy, but he has an open mind and can reason with other people's opinions, good balanced thought process
Shotokan has Kime in our techniques. That’s why it’s so powerful.
Most ppl dont understand this concept oss
ALL styles should hae. Even Freestyle. What style doesn't? ::-/
@@Matt_Mosley1983 American Karate styles doesn't, like american kenpo karate for example!
I like the breathing of goju ryu better
For fucks sake. I’ve been training for decades. You don’t really believe that shit do you? You think mike Tyson doesn’t have “kime” in his punch?
Even though I do not train in Shotokan, I do agree with you about kata, kihon, and kumite, especially kumite, and I do agree with you about many mma fighters have a traditional karate background, cause many of these mma fanboys on RUclips badmouth and look down on Karate saying it doesn't work in mma, which that is not the case, and you just showed them some great examples, I know I said this before, but again you outdone yourself on the Shotokan history so far, and I thought this was a two part video, not that it matters, either way you're doing great sensei, keep up the good work, and when you get the chance in the future could you do Goju Ryu? I know it may not be the next project, but in the future please? That would be terrific!
12:25 One small correction, Taekwondo stylist call their kata "poomse". Tang Soo Do stylists call theirs "hyung". I know its a bit trivial, but generally each group does have their preference. In 30 years I don't think I've ever heard a TSD stylist say poomse. TKD guys I'm sure they've said hyung, but generally poomse.
In the WT style of Taekwondo, it is poomse. In ITF Taekwondo is is called something else, don't remember what it was.
Depends on the system of TKD but some use the term Hyung
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Great video! Like MMA fighters there are also Kickboxers who trained in shotokan or arts that influenced it like Taekwondo and Kyokushin to name a few and had success. Stephen wonderboy Thompson uses karate in MMA with success but before that he was also an undefeated kickboxer. If I'm not mistakened my instructor used karate and taekwondo to great effect back when competed in kickboxing years ago. Conor Mcgregor uses elements of Karate to great effect too even though he never trained in it prior to being in MMA.
McGregor's head coach is John Kavanagh - a shotokan black belt and his life time training partner is Gunar Nelson - Goju Ryu black belt and karate champion. He absorb it and apply it perfectly to his game..added with his ultra insinct then we have the UFC superstar as a representative of shotokan style in MMA. Osu!
Actually Wonderboy trained in karate from the age of 3 and only competed in kickboxing later in his teens not the other way around
Stephen Thompson is a Kempo guy.
In my Shihan's training hall at my Kyokushin dojo, our belts system is similar to Shotokan, only solid belt color's, although, perhaps some Karate and off shoot from Karate Org. do have stripes on their belts. Definitely a big fan of Enoeda and Kanazawa in their Shotokan discipline. Big respect for Shotokan. Osu!!
I was eagerly awaiting this second episode on the martial art of Shotokan Karate Sensei Dan! It is clearly evident that Sosai Oyama Masutatsu, took philosophical aspects such as the Dojo Kun, from master Funakoshi Gichin for the guiding principles of Kyokushin Karate. Like Shotokan Karate we begin and end our training, in seiza and also meditate, should a student be late for training, they also need to kneel down in seiza, waiting for the teacher or master, to tell them to stand up and join the rest of the class, by lining up at the back.
We also line up in ranking order, as is also the case with Shotokan Karate. When it comes to Kata performances, we to stress the importance of beginning and concluding the kata, in its exact place in order to show, that one is performing the stances, consistently and correctly, throughout the entire duration of the kata. As for ippon kumite, even in Kyokushin Karate too many people dismiss its validity, efficiency and practicality. I for one believe that while it is not real combat fighting per say, it does teach one proper control to make light contact, at full speed and without injuring your partner. Also to develop sharp reflexes, timing, distance and impeccable technique. This when it comes to full contact fighting, can enhance one's footwork, speed, reflex reaction, accuracy, as well excellent execution of techniques. One perfect example of this, is Sensei Raymond Daniels, of American Kenpo Karate, nowadays a full contact Kickboxing world champion, with Bellator MMA, as well as a former Glory Kickboxing, world top fighter, as well as a highly accomplished mixed martial arts, professional competitor. He often credits point fighting (ippon kumite) sparring, as the reason for his devastating, accurate, rapid and sporadic, reacting reflex attacks, during his fights. Kumite however is the actual engagement of full contact fighting between two martial artists, where they both test their actual fighting abilities, without the need to hold back, also a test of their physical, body conditioning in enduring full on strikes to the body and face.
Three or five step fighting is where as you highlighted with Lyoto 'The Dragon ' Machida, that those choreographed, fighting drills, can be applied in a real fight situation or at mixed martial arts competitions, such as the UFC, where grappling, ground fighting, leg sweeps, throws, submissions and so forth, are permitted in addition to striking techniques, usually only allowed in stand up fighting rules. Of course with anything, the key is constant repetitive practice, until it becomes natural, reactionary, instinctive, second nature.
It was great to see, that you have showcased one of the best examples, of the efficiency of Shotokan Karate, in a real fight, as greatly demonstrated by Lyoto Machida of Brazil, during a number of his UFC fights! He was once the UFC, lightweight world champion, of which his footwork, as well fighting style was so elusive and problematic to many of the UFC top fighters. One of them was his fellow Brazilian countryman, Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua, who after having lost to Lyoto 'The Dragon' Machida, he had to hire the training services of top K-1 World Grand Prix kickboxing fighter, Sensei Glaube Feitosa of Kyokushinkaikan Karate Brazil. After doing so Mauricio Rua was able to defeat, avenge his previous loss and take the UFC, light heavyweight championship belt, from Shotokan Karate's formidable Lyoto Machida. It was amazing to see the likes of Chuck Lidell, Georges St. Pierre, Bas Rutten and Anderson Silva, all former UFC world champions, who emanated from Karate or taekwondo styles, that were directly influenced in terms of their fighting styles' creation, by Shotokan Karate, highlighting that traditional martial arts do actually work in MMA competitions. It was fascinating to see that Shotokan Karate renamed its katas from their original Chinese names, to more sounding Japanese ones, yet styles such as Tang Soo Do and Kyokushin Karate for example, have reverted back to the original Chinese names of the katas.
Again you have exceeded all my expectations, with this second episode Sensei Dan, the highlights for me were the mention of those legendary, mixed martial arts legends of the UFC. I anticipate with excited interest, your third and final episode, on the art of Shotokan Karate. I hope that your week is off to a good start Sensei Dan, all the best to you, your team as well as your respective families and friends, Osu!🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋🤟👍✌
Was a student of a Shotokan when I growing up and it creates fantastic fundamentals for kids to grow up with
Thank you for verifying my beliefs about the relationship between SHOTOKAN and TANGSOODO / TAEKWONDO.. your knowledge and open attitude combined with the Facts you present and back up is AMAZING!.. Respectfully a 55 year student of TANGSOODO / TAEKWONDO & Now SHOTOKAN. Oss
Traditional Martial Artists knew about the "Calf Kick" years ago. MMA guys pretty much learned about it in 2018. The fact that professional MMA athletes train almost 5 times as many hours during the week as a guy with a regular 9 to 5 job, Skews most people's opinion of how great MMA training really is ;)
truth haha
The shotokan comunity is grateful for this
I think the issue with TMA vs. MMA is not that MMA has special techniques that aren't found in other styles - by it's very nature it is a conglomeration of a lot of existing techniques. We could argue back and forth that there are a STANDARD set of striking and grappling techniques that yield high percentage success in MMA competition (your jabs, crosses, hooks, sprawls, rear naked chokes, so on so forth) but that's not the point I'm trying to make. For me, what separates MMA from the traditional styles is its direct approach to fight training. MMA training emphasizes drills and routines that yield a direct result in competition, whereas a lot of TMA styles have multiple goals besides one on one hand to hand combat. Kata training is great, and if your instructor understands how to breakdown the movements of the kata to apply it to the kihon, even better, but it is NOT the most effective way to teach someone how to fight. It is artistic and beautiful, but if the goal is to create a fighter, it's one of the least effective methods available. So, with regards to someone like Lyoto Machida, he could be a Karate black belt, a Tae Kwon Do black belt, or a Choy Li Fut expert, it really doesn't matter what his style is because his training methods were directly oriented toward his success in the cage. To make a long story short, it's about the training methods and the goal, not the style.
This is absolutely the right perspective! I do want to add that for MMA they are training not to just become fighters, but professional sport fighters. This is very different than everyday self defense. MMA fighters will hold their own just fine but there are aspects of TMA that are taught that you don't find in an MMA gym than can help in self defense, such as surveying and being aware of the environment, multiple attackers, and weapons. And while multiple attackers and weapons are pretty much a lose situation, there is still an awareness and thought process taught with that. In MMA, fighters train for one on one, on level ground in a closed environment with a referee.
Now...if you get a traditional martial artist that applies the rigorous training and sparring of an MMA fighter...then you have one hell of a warrior.
@@ArtofOneDojo Heartily agree, as long as we're talking about a TMA that really practices self-defense, and doesn't just use "Self-defense" as an excuse to not spar practically. I've been to many a TMA school whose "situational awareness" training is just "look around the room, does he have friends?" without a mention of how to de-escalate a situation or a realistic approach to handling multiple attackers (I've seen more than one fifth degree black belt talk about deflecting someone's punch into another person, which just isn't how that's going to work.) And of course when we're talking about weapons, it kind of depends on what weapons you're talking about. If you're using practical weapons that the average person would come face to face with, and training with them in a realistic manner, then sure. If you whip out a katana or a three quarter staff, suddenly the "Weapons" training becomes a lot less important. But at the end of the day, it's about the method. If your goal is self defense or MMA, you should be training like an athlete.
I agree with all of this. :)
Love the Choy Li Fut mention, took it in San Diego for 3 years and had a good experiance with it
Love these 'History Of' videos. Please keep them coming.
I can relate to the Kiai and power. I used it to break a lot of boards and back in my Taekwondo days. I haven't broken anything in my Shotokan training yet other than out in a sweat.:)
Thank you for your respect to Shotokan karate. I do many styles but Shotokan always been my based!
I did Shotokan over 15 years ago, not going to lie I don't miss the kata but I credit it for teaching me how to punch. Now doing MMA I'm greatful for the Shotokan foundation.
It's all about learning how to apply the techniques. So many techniques fall under the category of "well that would never work" until someone actually does it. Before Machida I don't think anyone would think they would see "crane kicks" to the face in a major MMA promotion. That being said, that's a very high risk technique for most guys (namely, one's who come from wrestling or grappling background), so a "wrestleboxer" is probably going to suffice with learning how to throw a halfway decent low kick. I do love seeing guys like Machida, Thompson, Barboza, etc. It gets boring when everyone is doing the same stuff.
I should note that this is not limited to "traditional" martial arts either. Judo is kind of considered on the threshold of "modern" and "traditional" (although this dichotomy is somewhat problematic anyway; what part of judo is non-traditional? It has all the same etiquette as karate... in any case...), but I don't think anyone thought they would see a sumi-gaeshi from a standing ude-garami position (that rarely happens even in a judogi, let alone with half naked sweaty dudes), but then Karo Parisyan did it multiple times. It just takes one guy to demonstrate that it can be done.
it was a flying front kick found in almost every striking art, not any crane kick.The sumi gaeshi is one of the easiest throws to use in a grappling situation.
@@scarred10 I know it wasn't a crane kick. That's why I put it in quotations. That's what people were calling it.
Re: sumi gaeshi. In and of itself it's an easy throw, meaning the mechanics of it are easy. Does that mean it is easy to do from a standing kimura (ude garami) position and then retain control and tap the guy out from it? And this in a no gi setting where everything is slippery? If it were that easy it would be more common.
This has to be one of the best videos out on Shotokan 👍. Great job !
How about a little on Kenneth Funakoshi of Hawaii, nephew of Gichin, head instructor of Funakoshi Shotokan ? Also when training as a younger man, I remember reading that another highly proficient fighter was considered as the man to be sent to Japan, but Gichin was selected instead because of his demeanor.
Excellent. Practicing and teaching for 33 years and always a student. Always learning
Nicely done video Dan. 😁👍 Love the old footage. Alot of great information.
I've been training in Shotokan for 30 years. This was an excellent video. Well done sir!
Love this content and channel. Love the 20 rules. They can be applied on just about anything in life. Stay humble and always keep learning.
Kihon helped my reaction time, and made me avoid blinking
When I was in my late teens I trained in Tang Soo Do for about a year. I left it, mainly cause I had no way of continuing to pay the monthly fees. Had to work to support my mother who made around minimum wage. I got my daughter into shotokan when she was about 6. She's 18 now. I did my best to support her. Now my youngest is 10 and she too is add it. Figured why not try again, almost 50 but passion has no limit!
Could you make some kind of video about hokutoryu jujutsu? I think it whould be really cool style to cover since there is so many countries these day were they practise it. There is Interesting history behind it too!
Without a doubt The Best Channel on RUclips!
I used to train in shotokan when I was younger and it actually saved me from getting a smashed in face. Not during a fight, but from a a high speed cricket ball at school. It hit a rubber disk on the ground and bounced up in an unexpected way and was only a few inches from my face when I just reacted and blocked it out of the way. That was the only time I ever used it and I doubt I could have done that intentionally, but it definitely saved my face for sure. Bruised my wrist pretty badly though.
I cannot deny that your wisdom and knowledge of Shotokan karate is very accurate as well as our research, I won't lie I used to think that MMA was a disgrace to all martial arts, cuz of the attitudes tattoos in the way they been treating each other lately, I mostly seen a lot of freestyle Fighters and I didn't think much of it. Thank you for the lesson sir oh, and I will be in open minded
I learned Muay Thai when I was young now I’m 22 and I want to learn karate , and one thing that’s weird is that I’m not a lyoto fan but I always liked lyotos fighting style whether watching him fight or in a video game lol and now I come across that he used some shotokan gives me more confidence to learn karate .
5. Does not strictly mean "Mentality", rather that it means something like " *Heart + willpower + Guts mindset* " . It is not easy translate.
Great video. As I've been told, "you go to training to learn. You don't go to training not to learn".
at 19:10 you can see the attacker Keinosuke Enoeda (4 July 1935 - 29 March 2003), who was a Japanese master of Shotokan karate. He was a former Chief Instructor of the Karate Union of Great Britain. Enoeda was ranked 8th dan in Shotokan karate, and was widely renowned as a formidable karateka. He sat in judgement of many of my gradings in the 1970s. I saw him give demonstrations, and, he was the first man that I ever saw who could move so fast that it was a blur.
I'd love to see you do a video just purely on the correct application/concept of Hikite.
Thankyou for a nice video. And your other videos too !
We mustn't forget tho that karate was originally for self-defense only, centred around kata.
Originally there was no kihon, or what we know today as kumite.
While all the realistic self-defense ('fighting') techniques are coded into the kata, few schools ('traditional' or not) can teach these today, because over time the knowledge has been lost / watered-down. So without their original context, kata are often seen by students as no more than choreographies, for grading or competition.
People think that today's competition kumite is the fighting side of karate, when actually it's uniquely the *sports side, which only existed officially after Funakoshi's death (ie. after 1957).
Osu !
I was just trying to find out what happened to Rod Prejhon the 4th degree black belt sensei in Lake Charles La. I studied under him in late 70's & early 80's. He had Jean McComb US tile holder kick boxer PKA in his dojo then.
Shotokan seems so interesting I may have to look for a school in Cypress Texas or near by
I believe there are a few all around Houston area. I know it's far but there is one in Huntsville and my hometown madisonville had one I went to as a teen
As with the philosophies of Karate, true that there is no first strike in Karate as with the katas. Almost all katas start as defensive.
The only exception are The Sokugi katas of Kyokushin in which it starts as an attack.
Shotokan is great
anyone watching Charles Rosa last week? He was using Wonderboy's style and look amazing! Boxer with Karate style
I am leaning shotokan karate for 15years of my life i am also finding new kobudo wepons
Oh man the line on the ground for the kata was very cool!
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This is awesome! I can’t wait from the next video!
powerful transition to the cage series
This is really educational. A correction on the linguistic meaning of kata, though: it's not a contraction of katachi. Katachi (形) is "form" as in physical shape and structure. Kata (型) is "model," as in a prescribed set of moves to teach the basics.
true mma fans would know how effective karate and especially shotokan is in mma.
Kyokushin comes from Goju Ryu and Shotokan and I wonder Where the Osu comes in? Was The Mas Oyama?
Thank you for a excellent series John Deehan 3rd Dan Shotokan. 2nd degree Tae Kwon Do
thank you good video.
Would love if you did some more korean martial arts videos
Shotokan in MMA should also mentions those amazing athletes that were not have degree in Karate but very succesful in implementing the art in the MMA. Just mention two biggest star champ-champ in UFC: Connor McGregor and Henry Cejudo. These two guys apply shotokan style and principles better than any Shotokan blackbelt. In Belator it has Patricio Pitbull as one of the current champ-champ of Belator - and his style is like a shotokan karate master - you'll see Machida's upgraded version at the very best! In fact, Cejudo got his new style from Pibull's karate trainer.
I enjoy your channel and the meticulous research that you put towards the subject matter. If I may however share with you a bit more information about the Dojo Kun. What you have highlighted in this segment is true, but a lot of older books and manuscripts tell that the five dojo kun are showcased numerically with just the number one. For example:
1. Seek perfection of character
1. Be faithful
1. Endeavor to excel
1. Respect others
1. Refrain from violent behavior
This was done like this as Funakoshi felt that these principles were all equally important.
This is actually fascinating! I did not pick up on that as I can't read Japanese and I didn't realize that. Thank you for pointing that out!
Whether Shotokan is more of a an art or a defense/offense depends on the teacher who teaches art vs application and in what quantities.
This is outstanding . Thank you .
Loved this history! If you can can you d one on either Kajukenbo or Hapkido? Can’t wait for the next one!
With Karate's introduction into the Olympics in the upcoming Tokyo Games, I am curious to know more about the different Shotokan organizations around the world (i.e. which are recognized in their respective regions) and to know what the competitive circuit looks like in the present day to get an idea about how a karate athlete ends up competing in the Olympics. For example, in the history section of The Shotokan Karate Bible, I read that there seems to be two distinct groups in Japan, the JKA and JKS. How does the World Shotokan Karate-Do Federation (WSKF) fit into the picture? Are one of these groups recognized over the other in Japan or do they both compete in some national/international circuit?
Another great episode. Keep up the great work.
These were both really well researched videos, really well made. I've enjoyed stuff from your channel before. Shotokan was my first martial art, so I'll always have a soft spot for it. I really liked your breakdown on the various MMA fighters that use Shoto/Karate style striking, but how could you leave out Stephen Thompson? I think you had some footage of him in there. He's up there with Machida in terms of prolific Karate using MMA fighters to me.
*I'd love to see a **_DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JU JITSU AND BJJ_** video.* #JiuJitsuIsntJuJitsu
Matt Mosley I actually am curious of the difference
Are you talking about Japanese JuJustu vs BJJ?
Japanese Jujitsu is a complete art it has a combination of stand up grappling , striking, and ground techniques. Brazilian Jujitsu just concentrate on the ground techniques. Traditional Jujitsu is the ancestor of Aikido.
*Shatoke, shotoke, uchioke helps me almost in every fight*
I'm halfway through this video and want to say it's pretty good. Just in case I forget when I get to the end. I have a short attention span
Love it can't wait for part 3 thank you
Great job Dan nicely done! U do our art proud🥋 Oss
Thank you very much, and against thank you so much for the footage!
@@ArtofOneDojo anytime u need anything dont hesitate to ask 👊
Amazing video! I've always touted Shotokan karate as practical in MMA and even in the streets.
However, Stephen Thompson is not a low level fighter! You should have also put Anthony Pettis and Benson Henderson on the list BUT I understand you can't put everyone! Either way, again, amazing video.
Great job mr. Dan I really enjoyed
How about doing a video on traditional Okinawan Hojo Undo strength training and conditioning
Excellent.
Good afternoon. Does anyone know where Funakoshi's Shotokan dojo was built in 1936 in Mejiro today? Thanks.
You should do a Video of the history of Wado Ryu
Legit! I love these videos! Keep it up Dan!
Cool video Mr. Dan
Great stuff! Many thanks :)
In Hung Gar Kung Fu, we also start and finish our Kuens (Katas) in the same place. So this is older than sensei Funakoshi. I'm not sure, but I believe this is something done in all chinese martial arts since they were invented....
The Chinese has a saying "All [Chinese] martial arts came from Shaolin", and we knew Karate was heavily influenced by Chinese martial arts. Maybe Funakoshi wasn't the one that came up with the idea, who knows. But does it really matter?
@@shazamsakazaki No it does not, but in here we all, Karate students, Kung Fu students, TKD students, etc, are trying to learn. So I was participating and not only correcting, while giving my experience.
Good job for a Non Shotokan practitioner especially the history. One thing left out is between Ippone and Go No Sen is Ten No Sen (10 step), then actual Kumite.
Then I wonder will you make a third video from 1957 forward, when Funakoshi Sensei passed away, the split in Shotokan and Shotokai with Egami Sensei and Nakayama Sensei? I began with Shotokai first then to Shotokan though they are from the same person, once they were labelled after his passing the philosophy differed much between the JKA and Shotokai who did not believe in Competition. Is this one you plan to make to wrap it up to modern times? Pus perhaps on how few 1 -3rd Generation Sensei's are even still alive today? That itself is its own video I would think. I trained in Kenpo for 9 years as a youth to near adulthood in Parker system as well as Kickboxing. That experience in Kenpo and Kickboxing made me well prepared for the very hard classes of Shotokan that my 2nd Generation Sensei taught, his teacher is living still in Atsugi Japan and is a student of Funakoshi. Lineage can matter to a degree I feel, only because translations can be lost easily if not interpreted and taught correctly to even later students doing exactly as they should do and making the art their own and work for them. For me having such close ties to him made a big difference in what learned and see in schools that have teachers easily 8-12th Generations removed by now. Much information is lost and I am one of them trying to teach Bunkai to students in their Kata as each have found it truly has helped them. Especially once they understood that every Strike can also be a block, grab or throw.... this now changes everything you think you see. Add partners to the Kata practice and watch how advanced some Bunkai are and how many schools sadly do not teach them nor do teach pressure testing which I heard you mention. In my days, we did wear any gear to spar. Now days that is rare. You are correct about MMA and Shotokan as well already existing withing it as many other arts were heavily influenced by Shotokan as you pointed out. I do recommend that third video from 1957 onward focusing on the split and now the healing, I call it, between the two now that both are no longer here to push the seperation. I find many from both Shotokan and Shotokai wanting to merge more, though not as much with the JKA, they are their own entity now and many do not work with them and are with either other large ones such as ISKF , Asai, to the JKAA or in none of the organizations directly. I am not a member of any of them though each have invited me to join, I will not leave my teacher nor his while they still remain. Perhaps once I have no one to help me move forward more within the art I would consider it then. Its pure honor to my teachers. Like you said, their are two kinds of MMA but they are the same in essence, one just pre-dates the Cage era when artist cross trained. I have a 1st degree in TKD, 5th in Kenpo and testing for 5th this year in Shotokan after 30 years with them now. Cage fighting or UFC was not around in my days. I was getting too old by the time they started off. Do you cross train or have rank on other arts?
We do touch a little bit on The Shotokai, JKA, and SKA in part 3. I wanted to cover more of it be we need more time to go into them in proper detail so this is just an intro.
I do cross train, Kenpo is my base but I've had a little bit of BJJ when my previous instructor started teaching MMA classes and now i also currently train at a Japanese JuJutsu school, 5th Kyu in San Yama Bushi Ryu and we're also doing Judo in class as well.
@@ArtofOneDojo Is part 3 out yet? I would say yes its allot of research to do on the history. It very much bitterness between Egami Sensei and Nakayamas JKA. Even now 50 plus years later the two are starting to combine again, however its much harder to find Shotokai these days.
Most never knew that neither are really the names of any style, one is pine waves house and the other pine waves group. Both Funakoshi.
Nice vids sensie👍👍👌👌
The greatest Shotokan reference book is Dynamic Karate by Nakayama Masatoshi. The original bible for the art.
This is ken and Ryu style from Street Figher :))
It was originally called Shotokan yes. (It didn’t have a name in Japan at the time) And every technique they use can be found in Shotokan along with other Karate styles. Their style would go along the lines of full contact Shotokan (the REAL Shotokan, just look at Karate Combat). Ryu was based on Mas Oyama and Ken was based on Joe Lewis when they were created. But in modern day Lyoto Machida’s is definitely textbook Ryu story (trained from a young age under a Japanese master and even looks like him) and I would say Wonderboy Thompson is Ken.
Their style is Ansatsuken, a Japanese MMA mix of Japanese Karate as whole (not strictly Shotokan, Goju Ryu, or Kyokushin), Shorinji Kempo, Judo, Jujutsu, TKD, and Kickboxing. However each one has had distinct techniques over the other that show what they favor. For the 3 big Shotos: Ryu being more grounded and a fundamentalist uses straight to the point hard techniques such has his reverse punch and side kicks which are most seen in Shotokan as well as Judo throws (Seionage and Tomoenage). Ken is more Kyokushin/Kickboxing and Judo based with his flashy follow through kicks and Rolling Thunder also with Judo throws. Akuma is Goju Ryu and Shorinji Kempo with combining hard and soft techniques like lots of open hand strikes and brutal kicks as well as rapid fire Raging Demon. So each fighter has a “feel” of Ansatsuken.
But yes as of today, many like myself still view Lyoto Machida as the modern day Ryu. Literally went to fight every style with fighters at the highest level using Shotokan. Osu! 🥋
Re the Bas Rutten bit; is Shintai an off-shoot of Shotokan? I can't find anything about it.
i wanted to make a possible correction about the tang soo do forms bieng called poomsae.in my understanding they are called hyungs.you said in the video tang soo dos forms are called poomsae.this name for the forms is from the korean brother art tae kwon do.these bieng the descriptions for each respective art in place of kata this may have gotten lost in the information bieng that thier are some actual tae kwon do schools that derive from the original moo duk kwan schools.cuasing confusion on the names for each arts forms?
Althogh Shotokan still is very “tradition” . But .. actually.. their tempo and range is good . This is why some Shotokan Krater can go to do some higher level competition once they are being trained..
Hmm.. this is not Manga or movie ...
But .. if some people relay want experience some traditional Keate. , Shotokan is a very good option
Check out These Shotokan fighters.
Elwyn Hall, Frank Brennan, George Best and Wayne Otto.
You forgot talking about Conor Mcgregor. His signature move of the left counter is so Shotokan. Of course that goes as well to his stance and what he does with his lead hand. It’s so Shotokan stance and so Shotokan lead hand tools & options.
My Sensei helps train some of the champions of MMA in my country
Love your videos! Will we get a video on isshinryu?
We will eventually! We have a few more in the works ahead of it but I do want to cover it.
@@ArtofOneDojo awesome! I live in east tennessee and it seems like my area has always had more isshinryu karate than any other. Either that or the Korean arts.
Mixed martial arts is it supposed to be exactly what it is mix martial arts taken from other martial arts parts that actually work for you and show to be effective what is not effective is throwing out and throwing away
Thank you! That I finally can confirm my thoughts to my boxing friends, that that shotokan is used in MMA. Long story short, I argued that Conor McGregor uses shotokan. What's your opinion?
Conor is definitely a karate-boxer, but it's hard to discern whether he uses Shotokan or Goju-Ryu. His training partner, Gunnar Nelson, is a Goju-Ryu black belt and uses the same stance at all times that Conor primarily uses at long range. He falls back on boxing at close range, however.
Sometimes it isn't the style, but the school. One dojo will work completely differently to another and due to this, you will find some McDojos. Doesn't mean that the entire style is bad or good.
Taekwondo is #1!😮
Taekwondo is an offshoot of Tang Soo Do which was based on Shotokan :D
And Shotokan was based on Shorin Ryu, which was Shuri Te, one of the oldest styles of Karate. :)
Maybe they're all number 1.
Wish i could learn karate in india
No Karate school out there? What arts do you have around you? I'm curious to know what kind of schools are in India.
That is great video Where is your address ?
In my opinion is Kyokushin the much better Karate Style like Andy Hug, Francisco Filho ...
It's fair to say that Kyokushin is the next generation evolution from Shotokan because it still has a lot of Shotokan in its roots.
@@ArtofOneDojo perfect answer Sensei Dan, we are an evolution, or progression from Shotokan Karate, as well as Go-Ju Ryu Karate, without neither of them Kyokushin Karate would not exist. Well at least not as we know it, so Shotokan Karate is fundamental to our Kyokushin Karate, Osu!
Incorrect. Taekwon-Do is a direct child of Shotokan. Choi Hong Hi was a 2nd Dan in Shotokan.
What specifically are you saying is incorrect? I've mentioned in several videos that Tang Soo do and Taekwondo are based on Shotokan.