VICE: Who Killed WCW Episode 1 Review

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  • Vice's New Documentary series Where The Big Boys Play: WHO KILLED WCW? We discuss the story of the Rise and Fall of WCW.
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  • @Izzy_Dead
    @Izzy_Dead 3 месяца назад +32

    The phrase "That's not gonna work for me, brother" is what killed WCW.

    • @thechairman74
      @thechairman74 3 месяца назад

      I think that was the most frequently uttered quote in WCW during that time.

    • @blackcasperF4E4L
      @blackcasperF4E4L 3 месяца назад

      📠

    • @bdr113080
      @bdr113080 3 месяца назад +1

      I think you can say that’s one of the reasons people stopped watching but it’s not the reason why it went away. But I do think that when they still had five or 6 million people watching them every week the two biggest mistakes were both calls but I Hogan. The Starrcade 97 at Dean, which was all on him and the finger poke of doom which was also all on him. I don’t understand why people think that was a Kevin Nash idea. In the same people that claim it’s in Kevin Nash are the same people that say stupid shit like “ he’s selfish, and he’s just gonna look out for himself and make himself the champion forever” OK so the guy that they just described is the guy that’s going to give the belt to someone else who he had backstage heat with for the last 10 months? Hogan wanted the finger poke of doom and he wanted the original group back together because he knew the reason he went away in the first place so he could run for president” ws because if it’s him versus the outsiders, the fans were choosing the outsiders. They are what made people watch WCW, Hogan was already there for two years and the first three months were very good but after he showed the fans what WCW was going to be like a lot of fans stopped watching until Scott and Kevin showed up.
      I grew up on NWA/WCW but when they did that finger poke of doom it’s really what made me for the first time in 20 years start watching WWF more than WCW

    • @thechairman74
      @thechairman74 3 месяца назад +1

      @@bdr113080 The combination of all sorts of reasons are what killed WCW but the Finger Poke of Doom was just the worst example of losing all respect for wrestling and turning it into a joke.

  • @jasonreh2283
    @jasonreh2283 3 месяца назад +15

    What killed WCW? The AOL/Time Warner merger

    • @KingKidGoku32794
      @KingKidGoku32794 3 месяца назад +2

      Yes that's what people don't understand

    • @bdr113080
      @bdr113080 3 месяца назад +1

      It’s sad that the truth has been out there for so long and there were so many people that just want to believe the WWE “documentary” line that they have to pull. I’m sorry, but if WWF, having better ratings than WCW was all that was needed for WCW to go away, WCW would’ve went away a decade earlier.
      It really boils down to one thing. During the AOL merger, Ted Turner was stabbed in the back by people he trusted and he was pushed out of his own company in 1999. Ted owned WCW but he knew he didn’t have the experience in the wrestling world to run it all the time so he hired people. Sometimes he pick the right guy for the job. Sometimes he didn’t, but he could tell when someone was doing a bad job because he was a fan and he would fire them. But he wasn’t around anymore. That was it. Not to mention, but at the time WCW was canceled and sold. It was still the show on TNT that was getting the highest ratings. WCW at the end still had more people watching it than anyone watches WWE or AEW

    • @thechairman74
      @thechairman74 3 месяца назад

      Well, really what set it up was Turner buying JCP and turning it in WCW. As soon as the company stopped being owned and run by wrestling people and owned and run by TV people, that was the beginning of its death.

  • @williamsweat6334
    @williamsweat6334 3 месяца назад +2

    The AOL-time Warner merger and turner networks not wanting anything to do with wrestling helped kill wcw

  • @thechairman74
    @thechairman74 3 месяца назад +4

    I remember during the downfall of WCW, after every show, I would yell at my tv, who's booking this $#!t?? 😂

  • @Cluv22
    @Cluv22 3 месяца назад +14

    "WCW at its worst, was still doing better numbers than Dynamite now...."
    Wow.....just....just WOW!!!😮😮😮😮😮

    • @DamienW1983
      @DamienW1983 3 месяца назад +8

      You absolutely can't compare any companies numbers to what the ratings numbers were in the 90s. No company is hitting those numbers. That was peak wrestling

    • @Cluv22
      @Cluv22 3 месяца назад +3

      @@DamienW1983 that's true too

    • @thesegafan4472
      @thesegafan4472 3 месяца назад +1

      Of course you can't because if you d everyone will realize what wrestling used to be and what it is now. A sorry excuse for a joke

  • @williambrown6185
    @williambrown6185 3 месяца назад +2

    Once AOL-Time Warner bought Turner Broadcasting it was down hill. They weren’t as invested in “ Wrestling” as Ted was. Ofcourse where is AOL-Time Warner now…

  • @Swift_Jr
    @Swift_Jr 3 месяца назад +1

    Wouldn't WCW at it's worst be 0 viewers with 0 revenue and 0 TV networks? smooth brain moment XD
    PS: If were were to compare apple with oranges than AEW is doing amazing compared to WWE when it started LOL
    edit: I bet that if danny would've "criticize" DBZ like he does AEW he would've gone missing back in 2015 (those dragon ball fans are something else)

  • @bdr113080
    @bdr113080 3 месяца назад +1

    This is the first video on your channel I watched and I applaud you. You could’ve made a video full of lies that would probably get you about 50,000 views but you’re doing something that enough people in the wrestling bubble don’t do and that’s tell the truth.
    Solomonster is a podcast that I watch and I watch him on RUclips but he never really liked WCW and in his mind WCW wasn’t important to pro wrestling. He’s a very pro WWE podcast guy. And he also pushes the WWE narrative of “WCW went away because the ratings sucked.”
    And I was actually wondering why he wasn’t covering this documentary because like every episode of dark side of the ring he does a review for it. This was the first show like this that I haven’t seen him do we review on. And now that I know that they’re telling the truth on the show I can see why he’s not because he’s been telling everyone for 20 years WCW went away, because , their rating sucked. And I admit as a WCW fan the last two years it wasn’t good. But if Ted Turner wasn’t forced out, he could’ve actually fired Vince McMahon’s head Booker and we could’ve salvaged it into a good company again.

  • @NJ973201
    @NJ973201 3 месяца назад +1

    No mention of the Rise & Fall of WCW DVD? I never bought it since I stopped following the WWE product a few years earlier but I remember people trashing it harder than the Monday Night Wars one, including "Juice" Hagholm whose review was good and had more in it than both DVDs (and I think he was using the old Observers and/or original Death of WCW book as his sources).
    About that Nitro book, it's really that good? The only related books I've read was Wrestlecrap, Hardcore History & the original Death of WCW book decades ago and I have grown tired of all the WCW and ECW references and tributes over the years (the latter being related to nonsense like what TNA and Shane Douglas was doing in the 2010s).

  • @K_R_one
    @K_R_one 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm 46 years old. I'm so glad I lived through this era. Had so much fun watching. Since 89 both wwf & wcw. I used to go see house shows. At the Baltimore arena.

  • @robertlee9602
    @robertlee9602 3 месяца назад +1

    I just watched it,.nothing most fans don't already know but still descent.

  • @McMahonHater
    @McMahonHater 3 месяца назад +1

    HBK made the most important comment on the Monday Night Wars DVD set. He basically says to dismiss what WCW accomished was an injustice.

  • @ericmurphy2978
    @ericmurphy2978 3 месяца назад

    Please specify

  • @ericmurphy2978
    @ericmurphy2978 3 месяца назад

    So ur not an insider?

  • @raidendwayne21
    @raidendwayne21 3 месяца назад +1

    Hulk hogan killed wcw

  • @McMahonHater
    @McMahonHater 3 месяца назад

    I think with Vince gone the ego will be taken out if thing and you'll get a lot more honesty. As for The Rock and Seth Rollins... fuck the Rock, he should go to Titan Towers and stay in his office.

    • @thesegafan4472
      @thesegafan4472 3 месяца назад +1

      Nope you'll all be saying you miss him soon because how boring the product is

    • @McMahonHater
      @McMahonHater 3 месяца назад

      @@thesegafan4472 No I won't because I haven't followed wrestling since Eddie Guerrro died. I don't give them any of my money, or ratings. Now that they are on Netflix they've guaranteed I'll never watch them

  • @deandredukes95
    @deandredukes95 3 месяца назад

    Imagine if WCW was still alive today

  • @datoffical2.0rapper43
    @datoffical2.0rapper43 3 месяца назад

    Geekdom X wrestling videos =goated content

  • @VindeZwarts
    @VindeZwarts 3 месяца назад

    Where can you watch this?

  • @ericmurphy2978
    @ericmurphy2978 3 месяца назад

    Also were you working with the network or are u a outside source

  • @dylanacar3677
    @dylanacar3677 3 месяца назад

    “That’s not gonna work for me brother”

  • @nicholascollins3012
    @nicholascollins3012 3 месяца назад

    Why do we have to watch this we know what happened everyone has had their say already

  • @JSwannSoOfficial3
    @JSwannSoOfficial3 3 месяца назад

    Two Words: The Rock

  • @kickdreaming
    @kickdreaming 3 месяца назад +2

    I MISS THE WCW DAYS. SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE GARBAGE TODAY.
    NAMASTE 🙏🏽 FROM BROOKLYN.

  • @johnwright-b2l
    @johnwright-b2l 3 месяца назад

    The downfall of wcw was not because of one thing or another it was a culmination of everything behind and in front of the camera.

  • @bdr113080
    @bdr113080 3 месяца назад

    I think the question should really be “why was WCW unwatchable in the end?” Because WCW never died. It was sold. I know people that were bigger fans of WWE than NWA/WCW like to say “ well, if the ratings were up, the new owners would’ve kept it regardless, if they wanted it or not”. …….. WCW Monday Nitro was still the highest rated show on TNT when it was canceled. so they wouldn’t have cared because it was already their highest rated show as far as the ratings were concerned, and they just didn’t want it.
    Anyone that’s got this idea that them losing a ratings war is why WCW went away is an idiot. I grew up on WCW going back to the mid 80s and I was a much bigger fan of them than I was WWE but even I admit from the spring of 1999 until it ended in 2001. It just wasn’t good anymore so I won’t deny that.
    That’s why I really Love the nitro book a lot more than the death of WCW book because the death of WCW book the only people they really interviewed were dirt sheet writers and wrestlers lower down on the totem pole who were disgruntled, but didn’t know anything about what was going on behind the scenes.
    The nitro book actually interviewed people that were in the know not in WCW but on the Turner side of things that really didn’t care about pro wrestling so they don’t have a dog in the fight . All of them straight up admit that the new owners didn’t want wrestling. If Ted Turner had not been pushed out of his own company in 1999, Vince Russo would’ve been fired. Ted Turner was actually the only person that bought a wrestling company that was smart enough to know he didn’t know enough about the wrestling business to run it. isn’t that what everyone says about Tony Kahn and Dixie Carter? Where they messed up was thinking they could run the wrestling business and they should hire other people to run it for them? Ted Turner actually did that. Now he didn’t know how to run the business, but Ted was a real fan and Ted knew when the product wasn’t doing well. He would hire the wrong person for the job sometimes but after he realized the wrong person had the job, he always fired those people. That’s why he fired Jim Herd at the end of 1991. Herd had completely ruined the company, drove off some of the biggest stars, and was driving fans away. History tells us that if he was around as much as he loved that he was finally on top in the wrestling war he would’ve done whatever it would’ve took to get the right person in there. If Ted had never been stabbed in the back by his own people, there would still be a WCW today. That was Ted’s promise and there were bad years before 1999. Ted didn’t care he was going to keep it alive. But if you take Ted out, then there’s no one left to defend WCW.
    All you had to tell me was this was produced by the Rock who is someone that’s very pro WWE and I know this is just another hit piece to make WCW look bad. We might as well just go watch the rise and fall of WCW because we know how the last episodes going to end.

  • @ronniemation
    @ronniemation 3 месяца назад +1

    jack perry should pay close attention to the part when kevin nash said throwing rey through a window would kill him

    • @marvinj1000
      @marvinj1000 3 месяца назад

      And he was like yeah fire is better