Lordship Salvation
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- A brief mid-Acts perspective on the Lordship Salvation controversy and how mid-Acts clears up the confusion caused by both sides of the issue.
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Grace Ambassadors Bible Fellowship - Sunday, August 2, 2015
It seems these days that becoming a Christian is like walking through a doctrinal minefield. Mentally, emotionally and spiritual minefield. A person should not have to have a theological doctorate to understand the Word Of God.
It can be very hard. Especially spiritually. I find myself as being a victim of darkness much to my own doing. God has given everything we need as far as a defense but I suffer at times.
Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mark10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
One *MUST* make a choice.
One *MUST* repent.
One *MUST* place their faith *ALONE* in Jesus for salvation.
Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, ***How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!***
The point is that you don't. Just trust the Holy Spirit to guide you.
John MacArthur is a Calvinist. He should change his show's name to "Grace Might Be To You".
Ok that's a good one!!😂😂
RUclips, could I like this comment 14 times, please? Thank you.
I say this as the risk of sounding harsh but I found the Lordship Salvation bunch to be as mean spirited, vindictive, wrathful, and slanderous as the worst of the KJV only types. In talking with them they slandered and attacked me like I was some sort of devil worshiper or Christ denier.....and ALL because I believe in Salvation by Grace alone by Faith!
@@jonasgrumby3378Most Lordshippers on YT are not kjv-only. Theyre either using ESV or NASB.
I do gleen historical information from 'Grace To You' , but I am very careful not to absorb Calvin nuance.
I have been recovering from a brain injury. Very difficult to listen to John. For a while I called the program, 'Gripe To You'.
I do pray for John Mac Arthur.
Its free grace because it was completely paid for and completed by Christ. There is only ONE gospel, the Jewish Christians were saved just like the Gentile Christians, by faith alone through grace, not of works, lest any man should boast. The Law was fulfilled by Christ and was set aside at his crucifiction, to Jews and Gentiles alike.
I am sick and tired of the divide and conquer. The churches are full of contentions contrary to the doctrine of Christ. Lordship, Rukkkman, Wilkin, Andirtson, Calvinism, New Apostate Racists. It all goes back to Acts 2:38. Every attempt to harmonize it leads to a system. If I lived in the first century and received Galatians 1:8, and later someone preached Acts 2:38 at me, I would have rejected the latter.
Amen. Christ died for all and he paid for all. Mcarthur is of the devil. Saved or not, the devil uses him and he enjoys it because it brings him worship from man and he wealth from the world.
@@foechicken8023 MacArthur denies the blood of Jesus... Therefore he is still in his sin... He also preaches a false gospel...he is cursed. Galatians 1:8, 9
Blues Man 63 You are not rightly dividing God’s word. The Jewish believers weren’t saved yet, but they believed in who Jesus was, and followed Jesus’ command to repent and be baptized: Faith + Works It wasn’t until Paul preached Christ crucified to Jews and Gentiles that believers were saved by trusting in Christ’s work of the cross and not their own works: Faith + Nothing.
@@debbiesowell3942 No repentance no salvation.
The Truth of the Gospel is not what we must do as a believer, It is what God has already done for us through Christ. Until I came to Dispensationalism, I heard preachers and teachers saying you must do the commandments of Christ in order to show that you are a true believer. Up to that point in my life I was almost willing to give up, until I heard the word Dispensationalism, looked into it and I have not been the same since. I can't get enough of it. So now i can't listen to preachers and teachers who do not divide the Word of Life correctly. I don't want to waste anymore time with people who should be out of the pulpits and Sunday School rooms and learn themselves how to Divide the Word. I know now that covenant theology is a hyper-theology meaning part Roman Catholic and part protestant, with Big Problems.
Same here
Great truth
What most churches teach is the false reformed doctrine that we are Justified by faith alone but that faith will never be alone it will manifest Itself by works of love and obedience and if it doesn't it's not genuine that is not faith alone that is Faith plus Works subtly added to the grace message
Lordship Salvation combines salvation and discipleship into one action. If the two are mixed, you will end up with one of two things: salvation by faith plus works, or discipleship lite. Calvinists find this belief "P" stage of TULIP, the perseverance of the saints, which says that if you don't have works, you probably weren't saved in the first place. It backloads works into the Gospel. Milk (salvation) and meat (discipleship) are different things.
Amen 🙏.
The first comment that I wholeheartedly agree with.
This pastor is very confusing to listen to. He seems to be doing gymnastics with the two views. Hard to pin down what side he is actually believing in.
He seems to be denying both Lordship salvation and free grace by themselves, yet conjoining both into one.
I've studied Lordship salvation pretty thoroughly.
As you said, Lordship salvation garbles the gospel of grace with works-righteousness obedience works for proof of salvation.
It mixes Justification with Sanctification, Salvation with decipleship.
Kinda like what this guy comes across as doing.
Salvation is a GIFT 🎁 that is received by faith alone in trusting in the blood atonement alone on Calvary's Cross through grace alone; it cannot in the slightest way be merited by a individual's works of any type no matter how small or pure those are.
Decipleship is...completely different.
It's counting the costs, denying yourself and taking up your cross daily, surrendering your life to the leading of Christ for you personally.
Mix the two, and you get confusion and error of the two.
Lordship salvation DOES either front-load or back-loads works-righteousness obedience works for proof of salvation.
It's not semantics: just a different view of the same thing.
It is a false doctrine, a false gospel of a totally different kind altogether.
Which the Apostle Paul spoke about in Galatians 1:6-9 a accursed gospel.
Amen!! "If you don't know you are saved, you're not" !!! Plain and simple!
Please pray for me I need your intercession, I’ve been oppressed and Suffering from Spiritual attacks thank you 🙏
Never had any doubts, huh?
Actually you’re wrong given Satan can cause you to doubt your salvation, it’s one of his most lethal weapons. So how bout you get down off your prideful high horse and study your Bible
You know because it is written. It is not based on your feelings. You can doubt but it doesn't change God's word. The Bible verse that makes this clear is these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the son of God that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the son of God.
Again because it is written
@@frame3139 Yes, Satan “can” cause doubt in someone’s salvation, but that doesn’t mean he causes everyone to doubt. I’ve been saved for 50+ years and always felt secure in my eternal standing with God. You must trust God to do what He says He will do; by saving you with His grace when you believe Christ’s finished work of the cross, His death, burial, and resurrection (l Corinthians 15:1-4).
What a great lesson for us! So clearly presented by Justin. So important to understand. Thankyou Grace Ambassadors for providing these teachings to the body of Christ.
This sermon is a huge blessing! Thank you so much. God bless you and yours.
Great teaching..Paul had problems the Corinthians behavior yet they were saved..
Great point!!
Carnal Christians are a thing and anyone that says otherwise doesnt have the truth.
Lordship salvationist deny carnal christians.
Yet 1 Corinthians 3 is clearly obvious that such is the case.
2 Tim 2:19
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved yes being saved is easy because only Jesus can save you
The Lord just told me there's not 2 saviors
As it is written: Everyone is selfish instead of caring for Christ Jesus. The lordship side wants to say: "I did whatsoever I could FOR God" as though he needed anything.
This caused me to just throw my hands up and trust God /Jesus to save me because I couldn’t figure it out and churches made me feel like there must be something wrong with me that I had so many questions …so I stayed away from church since 1985
Trusting Christ alone for salvation to me is already an aspect of what it means to follow Jesus... it should be considered saving obedience
@@DonutDumpster I prefer to take a middle of the road position these days on the lordship salvation debate. One should not emphasize the lordship of Christ over His saviorship but vice versa too.
Wonderful teaching! Thank you🎉
I am recovering from a brain injury. I gain some historical information etc. from the Grace To You program.
Though, I used to call the program 'Gripe To You' because John's cadence hurt my brain.
I do pray for him.
I sometimes wonder what doctrine the thief on the cross would have adopted were his sentence revoked (?)
He would have followed Jesus.
@@ColonelEmpire as he hung up on his cross?
@@The-GreenHornet Maybe you didn't read the OP? Here let me put it up one more time:
"I sometimes wonder what doctrine the thief on the cross would have adopted were his sentence REVOKED (?)
If his sentence was revoked he would not have been hanging upon the cross... Maybe you missed that part?
~James Dare
Farther God am i good enough for youThe father to me Ted do you believe my son died for all your sins ted yes father ,Your my son ted you trust my son ONLY
LORDSHIP SALVATION is another attack on the TRUE GOSPEL... ie... just like the "JUDAIZERS in "~Acts 15 :1-11~
~~~ "1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and *doctrines of devils*;
2 *Speaking lies in hypocrisy*; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;~1Timothy 4:1-2~....KJV
Martin Luther’s prologue to the epistle to the Romans is excellent
MacArthur denies the blood of Jesus... Therefore he is still in his sin... He also preaches a false gospel...he is cursed. Galatians 1:8, 9
Oh boy oh boy I loooooved this!
another oh boy lol and a yippie IA
He did the work its all done. All is left is to walk by faith, don’t fruit inspect.
My definition of an OUTLAW is a "Mid-Acts, Pauline, Rightly-Divided, Gospel of Grace, Dispensationalist." Hope you appreciate the humor.
I love God and i went to obey Him, but I also do the thing that are t know i should not---sin in this body will last till i get to haven. God that you for your Grace. But i hate my sin and try again ever day to obey. go to DTBM and listen to the teaching of What is LOrdship salvation.
Pastor Yankee Arnold touches on these points well.
If you don’t already have a foundation in Mid-Acts Dispensationalism this video won’t mean a whole lot to you. Go find out what that is first.
I might need popcorn to watch these folks explain later to God how His plan of salvation was too easy. 🍿🍿🍿
Its free gift not a reward
DID JESUS DIE FOR DEVILS? Can devils be saved if they follow Jesus ? Huh ? I don't think so as Jesus ain't no devil.
What James is talking about being able to show your faith before men as it is clear in romans 11:6 that you do not need works to be saved.
romans 11:6 And if it is by grace, then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace
However you need works to be justified before men so they will come to believe in Jesus because of your works that is what James is getting at as you can't show your faith unless you have works to show for it. No man can see your faith for that resides in your heart. If James is saying you need works to be saved then James is against what Paul teaches for Paul teaches that we are justified completely without our works by the grace of God only. This is the danger of not following after the simple doctrine of Paul that is clear on our salvation is not of ourselves which means James must be talking about profitable things to do when you are in the faith and not how you get saved, for no man is saved because of his works so that no man can boast in himself, if I have to have faith+works to be saved then I surely can boast in my works but that is no the GOOD NEWS.
We are all saved by grace through FAITH in him (eph 2:8) it is not of ourselves and by his blood we have his forgiveness (eph 1:7) and not by our repentance.
The devils didn't get any blood as they ain't even HUMAN !!!!!!! And we HUMANS !!! all can receive that blood through faith in Jesus Christ, it is that simple to be free that is why we call it the gospel or GOOD NEWS where we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise as an earnest from God to give us assurance he will keep his promises at the day of redemption to whosoever believes.
We are all justified by God through faith for only God justifies the ungodly as our faith is counted for righteousness as it is a gift of God freely given to whosoever believes on the son of God.
Peace.
Yep he dead for siners
No man
Uhh...If you do not believe free grace, you are not saved, another lost person trying to tell more lost people how to be saved, but both blind people will fall into the dich, next..
Than how are they brothers to us???
Lordship salvation is a counterfeit gospel of works salvation Not. Romans 11:six. Ephesians 2:8-9 Not John six:40 and John six:29.
They are Matthew 7:21-23 They boast in all their good works, but have never done the will of His Father in heaven. John six:47 John 5:24. First John 5:13.
Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life. John 10:28-29. Double eternal security.
Another great study pastor JJ
I enjoyed this very much,good work brother. Question what good books on Dispensationalism do you recommend>Thank you for this message.
"Exploring the Unsearchable Riches of Christ" by Paul Sadler
John 8:31-32 KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Jesus Loves You
Hebrews 6 ►1Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Luke quotes Paul : "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." How do mid-Acts folks understand this quote? It is post mid-Acts. 😃
Paul says to the Romans "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." This is post mid-Acts as well and covers Jews and gentiles. This is Paul, not John.😃
Jesus said "Why call ye me Lord, Lord! and do not the things which I say?" Because this is in the gospels, does it only apply to the kingdom and not the church?
Here's another perspective on James: James is not preaching the gospel to the world. He is preaching practical sanctification to those who have professed faith. A reality check so to speak. Paul preaches it too. "Test yourselves [to see] if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you-unless indeed you fail the test?" 2 Cor 13:5 NASB95
Yeshua Jesus is the Only Lord is that not Lordship Salvation sir? That said salvation is free by His Blood for you and me.
It appears that the book of James was written before the dispensation of the Gospel of grace. Is that right?
Yankee Arnold and Thomas Cucuzza have sermons regarding this book which legalists and fruit inspectors love to use to condemn their fellow man to hell.
One simple question for you Lordship, work salvationists out there.
What good works cannot a non saved person do?
And one more for this good pastor from the video.
Sir, if good works come from knowing and keeping the law, which laws are you exercising as a Gentile Christian and where you are taking those laws from? Just because you said that you try to do both, to accept God's Grace and to do good works.
@Scott Burn The saved have a new birth but the old man is still there. How pure of a heart does one need?
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the _ _ _ _ shall be saved.
Yes Jesus is Lord. No one make Jesus "Lord". Sinners need to repent and believe in order to be saved. Just like belief is not works repentance is not works. Repentance is a condition of the heart. Luke 18:10-14
@@ColonelEmpire Repentence is a change of mind, greek Metanoia.
@@fredost1504 Of course repentance *INVOLVES* a change of mind....
Luke 18:10-14 The Publican was *ALSO seeking forgiveness...it also involves sorrow for wrongs against God. After all, sinners are *BREAKING* God's law and *NEED* forgiveness...
It also involves faith. Faith *AND* repentance saves... Not just faith. Mark 1:15; Acts 3:19, 26
BTW repentance is *NOT* works. Repentance is a condition of the heart.
@@ColonelEmpire
BTW repentance is works.
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10
God saw their 'WORKS', that they turned from their evil way.
God says its a work to repent from evil.
Though its a good work, its still a work.
If repentance meant turning from sin, that means God is a sinner according to your definition. God did the most repenting in the Bible.
What should we repent of for salvation?
Anything we trust in other than Jesus Christ.
1x(8/6/23)…..0:30…definition at 3:30….
@39:22 fruit of the lips is how you identify the false prophet/teacher. even satan can masquerade as an angel of light and his workers as workers of righteousness
The noetic effects of the sin run very deep! even in evangelical camps we are divided. Sin really did a number on the mind and heart! Humble presentation which is very important. What I look for is CONSISTENCY in a preacher's approach. This is a must! When I see inconsistency, especially when they get off pulpit to Q&A (which I believe more accurate to what one believes in application to real life) then that is a problem. Go to any pastor's Q&A section or a conference discussion and their message should be consistent to their pulpit message. That said, some big name preachers need to clean it up and re-think because there are glaring inconsistencies. One example: RC Sproul in his book Holiness of God. Solid work on the Holy Spirit. His book on Classical Apologetics, throws the Holy Spirit down the drain! Scathing statements that contradict his Holiness book. Method MUST be consistent! Yet...RC was never called out on this! Why? Naive listeners who think their respected teacher is without error! He was in error according to his own books! Humility is to repent, but these "authors" who have books (many books for some) get over their head and do not repent because of publishers...welcome to Christianity in the 20th/21st centuries! BAD WITNESS...
If Jesus is NOT your Lord, He is NOT your Savior. You cannot separate His Lordship from the Savior.
This video didn’t say you should. Of course Jesus is Lord, but people believing the false Lordship Salvation say you must prove your salvation by your “fruits” or works or you aren’t saved. Pastor Johnson shows by being Pauline and rightly dividing Scripture the preaching of the mystery by Apostle Paul. Salvation is by God’s Grace through Faith in Christ’s finished work of the Cross.
@@debbiesowell3942 Das versteh ich nicht. Jesus ist lord und du spuckst drauf. Ja dann spuckst du auf das was er ist seine erhobene Position und spuckst auf ihn selbst. Wie abartig heuchlerisch zu sagen Ja Jesus ist lord jedoch will ich ihn als billigen Retter vor der Hölle seine Herrschaft will ich mich nicht beugen.
LeeEbbs ..ja seh ich auch so
@@jeremiasmuller3341 ??? English, please
@@debbiesowell3942 STOP LYING. You and he made up your ideas on "Lordship salvation".
REPENT of your lies.
You sound like one of the "paul only cult" hyper-dispensationalist heretics who disregard the very Words of Jesus Christ.
If Jesus is your LORD then why do you attack His Lordship in salvation.
You are deceived.
Are you still sinning the same OLD sins (lying, lusting, hypocrisy, etc.) ever since (for many years, false repentance) you considered your self a member of the body of Christ?
Do you still sin - every single day?
@@sandytinky when in Christ we stop sinning because it is against His temple. But when we let go of Christ even just few minutes then we may fall again into our WEAKNESSES, therefore it is very crucial to stay in Christ.
@@eiou12345 Have you gone even an hour without sinning in thought, word, or deed? No, you haven't. Do you love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength every second of every day? If not, you are sinning. The Bible says if you know to do right and don't do it, you are sinning. How much time do you waste in a day being on the computer, or watching a TV show, movie, or playing a video game, when you could be out sharing the gospel, reading the Bible, or praying? You are in the flesh so you CAN'T stop sinning. If you want to continue lying to yourself - that's between you and God.
@@sandytinky I don't watch TV, movies, I don't listen to dirty secular music nor music videos, I don't play video games, I don't read uneducational books nor magazines, and I don't watch porn nor look at women lustfully anymore. God disciplined me! Yes, I can stop sinning in Christ! We just need to beg HIM and keep begging HIM to change us no matter what it takes for us to deeply realize that we are still lost and never truly repented.
@@eiou12345 So, you spend all of your time sharing the gospel, praying, and reading the Bible? And you love God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength every second of every day? Heads up: You do NOT. None of us do. You have a self righteousness attitude that is obvious. Sin is the transgression of the Law, and nobody can keep the Law. The Bible says not even the Jews to whom the Law was given could do it. Remember also, the Bible says if you keep the whole Law, yet stumble at one point, you are guilty of breaking ALL of it. And as far as "begging" God to change us, you do realize that the Bible says at conversion we are made perfect, righteous, and holy, don't you? God takes or sins - past, present, and future - and in exchange we receive the very righteousness of Christ. It's the reason believers are called "saints" in Scripture. And for you to say you can stop sinning shows your immaturity. Not even the Apostle Paul could accomplish that. Read Romans 7:13-24 sometime.
John 3:36 English Standard Version (ESV)
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not OBEY the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
U obviously didn't watch the video.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I like the KJV it is clear that it is only through faith that you get his grace for we are all saved by grace through faith it is not of ourselves it is a gift of God (eph 2:8)
Bible Verses that Lordship Salvation people cannot STAND:
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." Galatians 2:21
"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh..." Romans 8:3
"So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy." Romans 9:16
"But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace." Romans 11:6
"You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." Galatians 5:4
"....because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction...." Romans 3:20-30
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." Romans 4:1-7
"....nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified." Galatians 2:16
"....who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity..." 2 Timothy 1:9
"....But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit..." Titus 3:4-5
"....because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20
@snark nado Amen for through his blood we have his redemption (eph 1:7)
@@jonasgrumby3378 Amen brother Jesus is gonna save that whosoever believes and I am so glad I stood the test and have kept the faith in Jesus seemingly against all odds as the devil accuses me day and night that I am not a son of God because of sins in my life. :)
Peace.
There's only ONE Gospel!
Galatians 1:6-9 KJV
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Do you believe a person becomes the seed of abraham at the minute of conversion. If so. How can they become not the seed of abraham. The promises of God to the seed of abraham are eternal. Because God said I will make your seed endure forever. That was part of the abraham covenant and the apostle Paul said not even gods law can disannul it. I believe you become that seed of abraham at the moment you believe the gospel. In your heart Christ died for me was buried and rose again. There is the natural seed and the spiritual seed. The jews told Jesus we have abraham our father and were never in bondage. He said if abraham were your father. And he was in a genealogical sense. But he said you are of your father the devil. These Jews thou physical descendants were not spiritual seed of abraham. They didn't believe. The true seed of abraham are those who believe 1 cor 15 vs 1 thru 4. The children of faith are counted for the promise. And the seed of abraham can't be disinherited
You have two options, Believing in Jesus or Works! You should be righteously loving with truth John MacArther. He is a false teacher! You should correct Lordship salvation!
All men have to repent of our sinful life's before we can have faith to come to Christ for salvation.
Carefully read what Jesus is saying in Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What is the will of His Father that all men must repent of their sins.
Matthew 4:17
Matthew 3:2
Acts 2:38,Acts 17:30.
If you haven't repented of your sinfulled life as Saul did then became the Apostle Paul then He will say "I never knew you"
This teaching claims that Jesus is talking to those that did works such as prophesying in thy name, casting out demons and other miricles. "A works based Salvation"
Jesus is not double minded.
Those are all things we are to do as true repented believers.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the (works) that I do shall (he do also;) and greater (works) than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
This teaching that faith alone and anything else is work therefore how you live is irrelevant is why Jesus says in verse 23 "You who work iniquity.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
1 Peter 1:14-17 &23
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear. 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
He lost me once he said 1 John was not meant for the church because John was one of the 12 apostles. It was written in Ephesus amongst Gentiles area. I'm all for dispensationalism and rightly discerning those dispensation but using that to ignore certain scriptures is just like the Saducees who rejected the prophets. AS FAR AS Lordship salvation vs Free Grace debate goes the New Perspective on Paul scholarly perspective kills that whole debate.. they both misunderstand what Paul was combating in his letters. When he said "works" he was always using an abbreviation for "works of the torah/Jewish law". Look at Epesians 2:8-9 Paul says " not from works lest anyone BOAST" and then he continues talking about Gentile/Jewish relations in later part of chapter.. the boasting is not about merit works to get salvation but in being a Jew. The works Paul refers to are those a Jew would BOAST in .like circumcision.. diet and separation. There is not a play on works for salvation and good works as evidence of salvation as Lordship ppl say.. salvation is entirely by grace regardless if one is Jew or Gentile. But you need to be in Christ to participate in that salvation. Calling a person's response to the gospel "works" is just wrong headed. Both Lordship and Free Grace are misunderstanding
The epistles for the Body of Christ in this dispensation are Romans through Philemon. Paul was the chosen Apostle to the gentiles and all doctrine for the Body of Christ comes from what the risen Christ instructed Paul to write and teach. Peter, James and John were Hebrew apostles who believed Jesus was the Christ, Israel's Messiah. Peter, James and John wrote letters to the Jewish people who were dispersed after Pentecost and before Israel fully rejected her Messiah in Acts 7. After the catching up of the Body of Christ, Israel's Kingdom program will resume and the 7 years tribulation will occur before Christ returns to set up His earthly Kingdom. These epistles of James, Peter and John will be read and applicable to Kingdom saints going through the tribulation, and in particular how to identify the difference between the real Christ and the anti-Christ. 1 John is therefore NOT written TO us! Nor is Peter and James or Hebrews.
@@jlhgrace8284 You have failed to read my comment. The epistles of John were written while John was living in Ephesus.. last I checked that was in Turkey and was a large Greek (as in Gentile) city with churches in that province that were mostly Gentile.. ofc Jews were always present. The division you are attempting is from OUTSIDE scripture and you won't be able to justify it FROM scripture. All scripture is not written TO us, but it was written FOR us (1 Corinthians 10: 11)
@@STEVEH0LT I think you mean "mystery" rather than "secret" ..I realise the English word "mystery" does contain some meaning of "secret" unfolding.... but that's not the meaning in Greek.. It's a bit complicated.
I'd recommend you view some videos by Darrell Boch from Dallas Theological Seminary.... his "progressive dispensationalism" sees the interlude as the Law not the church.
The issue I raised a year ago was that all scripture is for us...and you shouldn't allow preachers to tell you different. Ofc there is a land promise to be fulfilled..a future for Israel.
@@STEVEH0LT yes it's not an easy topic..
Dispensationalism strength is the way it reads the OT ..it doesn't spiritualism it.
Though there are many extremes to it that have come along.. like not having Communion because that is kingdom era. Those kind of readings, as this preacher saying 1 John is not for the church is easily recognised as wrong headed.
MATHEW 28:18-20 The great commission is instructive there...v 18 Jesus says all authority in heaven and earth has been given to him... that's a rule ..so kingdom comes in in some way...Boch would say in fulfilment of the Davidic promises. BUT the great commission flows from that authority over heaven and earth and the command is to TEACH them to observe all things that I commanded you... that includes all the commands of Jesus in the gospel of Mathew that aren't specific (like go to the house of Israel only) ..That verse alone should warn against pushing the dispensationalism too far.
Yes there is a future for Israel and Paul was sent to the Gentiles as Jesus was sent to Israel. I believe dispensationalism mainly because of Daniel's seventy week prophecy. Law and Gospel still apply.. I'd only see my sin from the Law..the time of being "under law's was a period from Moses til John the Baptist and was ended once Jesus came and completed his finished work. The "under the law" administration cannot return during the tribulation. ..it was an interlude
On Darrel Boch..he says Christians are spiritual Israel. But Israel is different.
Lordship Salvation, which is the "P" in TULIP, is heresy! So is Calvinism AND "Dispensationalism"!!
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oh wow.... " i don't find the gospel of grace at all in the book of John..". You're not saved. You think Jesus and Paul were preaching different gospels.
I must ask this, then; where in the book of John do you find the gospel that Paul preaches in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? Is there a place in the book of John where it says that Christ died for /everyone's/ sins? Is there a place in the book of John where it says that believing on Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection saves us? (And before anyone says "John 3:16," please realize that that verse doesn't mention Christ DYING for everyone's sins and raising from the dead on the third day, like we find in 1 Corinthians 15.) I've read the book of John many times, and I've never found that information in there.
It's only in Paul's epistles.
This is why we need to preach the word of God and not our different explanations.
Dear Gian, is it your Job to judge?
Are you kidding? Of course they were! Jesus' gospel was to Jews and they had to believe in WHO Jesus was and get water baptized! Paul was to Gentiles and his gospel was on WHAT Jesus did and its grace through faith alone! Paul says1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ! You need to rightly divide the word and that is why there are different dispensations as the word dispensation is in the bible 4 times...
And one major thing I forgot to mention..Jesus was alive preaching to Jews.. Paul's gospel given BY CHRIST was 1 Cor 15:1-4 and it is all about believing that Jesus died for our sins and was buried and rose the third day..Really? This is what Jesus' gospel was?? Maybe rethink that..
Why does this guy remind me of a young Bill Schnoebelen?
John ma arthur is a heretic
you are all over the place
So are you!
All over Paul
this man didn't clearify .
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Best example of repentance of sin:
Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.
The Jews were waiting for the “times of refreshing.” There is no waiting today. Paul preached Christ crucified. It requires trust in Christ’s work of the Cross. Salvation by God’s Grace through Faith in Christ’s finished work of the Cross. Faith + Nothing!
@@debbiesowell3942 Repentance & Faith or no salvation. You can spin the scriptures to your own destruction. You just cannot choose the consequences. The devils believe and tremble.
You have a nice collection of verses on the subject of Repentance. But have you considered who these different situations of repentance were written to, or when they were written and who was speaking?
Today man has given different definitions to Repentance than the meanings in the Bible. The self-explanatory general meaning is: to sorrowfully change the mind for past conduct.
Some people inaccurately define it as “turning away from your sin,” which is a work. We know there are no works required for Salvation. If this were correct why would this meaning sometimes be combined with the word repentance? Because it is a separate thing.
Others inaccurately define repentance as requiring penitent works. Again we don’t work for our salvation, it is a free gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-9).
In some instances it’s God showing repentance in Scripture. Here we see Him changing His mind concerning His dealings with a particular people. You should re-examine your verses in light of what I’ve said. They will become more clearer.
Does Salvation “include” Faith and Repentance? Absolutely.
Repentance is certainly part of the Salvation process. A person accepting the Gospel of Grace feels sorrowful for their past sin, and change their mind about their behavior going into the future. But they realize they are doomed for they can’t stop sinning because they are a child of Adam. No matter how many good things they might do they couldn’t possibly please God with any of them.
They then realize their need of a Savior and recognize Him as Jesus Christ. Only by God’s Grace through their Faith in what Jesus did, His death, burial, and resurrection, can they be forgiven and receive the righteousness of Christ. Christ did it ALL, we just believe it. Repentance comes with believing and trusting in Christ.
@@debbiesowell3942 It *repentance* is a turning away from sin but *ALSO* a turning to Jesus for forgiveness. Luke 18:10-14 Repentance is a condition of the heart not a work. Repentance will produce works. Works NEVER produce repentance. Faith *AND* repentance are required for salvation in *EVERY* dispensation.
No one is saved by only "believing". The devils "believe" and tremble. James 2:19
@@debbiesowell3942 Let me help... You need help....
You said: "But have you considered who these different situations of repentance were written to, or when they were written and who was speaking?"
Response: 1. Who these different situations of repentance were written to: Lost sinners that needed to be saved. Romans 3:10-23
2. When they were written: When sinners needed to hear how to be saved. Because *ALL* are sinners and *ALL* need faith and repentance. Luke 18:10-14; Acts 3:19, 26
***Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.***
3. Who was speaking: Peter. He was speaking to lost sinners. Jews. They were trusting in the Law for salvation. The Law *NEVER* saved anyone and still will *NOT* save anyone. They needed to turn from their works salvation (repentance) and place their faith (Faith) in Jesus Christ the Lord God who they had killed. **Faith & Repentance**
Repentance and faith. They, the Jews could not be saved if they wanted to keep following the OT Law. Just like:
1. A Mormon must leave Mormonism in order to be saved. Mormonism cannot save. John 14:6; I Timothy 2:5; Acts 4:12
2. A Catholic must leave Catholicism in order to be saved. Catholicism cannot save. John 14:6; I Timothy 2:5; Acts 4:12
3. The Jew MUST leave self righteousness (keeping the Law) and place his faith in Christ *ALONE* to be saved. John 14:6; I Timothy 2:5; Acts 4:12
4. The believe only cult member must leave their cult beliefs (repent) and place their faith (faith) in Christ alone for salvation. Believing is not enough. James 2:19; Acts 3:19, 26; Luke 18:10-14; Mark 1:15
***Even Jesus preached faith and repentance.***
***Mark 1:15***
You cannot add Jesus as Saviour to any belief system and be saved. It is Christ *ALONE*
He "doesnt want to get into verse by verse" ? Talk about jumping around to get "your " agenda out. Lost me at KJ only. Babal
Paul's Gospel is in exact line with Jesus' Gospel and to say otherwise may require that you will spend the rest of your life in a very warm place. Paul says imitate me as I imitate Christ (1 Cor 11:1). Your division of scripture is not 'rightly' dividing, it is division period. Repent!
They taught the same gospel? Can you please show me a place where Jesus taught others to believe on His death, burial, and resurrection for salvation? Or, where He taught that He would die for the sins of the whole world, and salvation would be granted to any that would put their faith in His finished work on the cross? I mean, if Jesus and Paul taught the same gospel, and that information appears in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, then shouldn't it appear in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John?
No Bob, you must repent
Alright I see you butchering Scripture from around the 30minute mark...
it is free grace and mid acts disp is BS