You have a terrifyingly esoteric understanding of modern-day Chinese politics and dissidents. 90% of the leaders here give me a minor heart attack because of how cursed they are. 10/10 work.
@@tunityguyprobably from all the obscure (at least in the English speaking Internet) figures used here, plus using Chinese people in Taiwan and not just from the Mainland
@@tunityguyit’s just an eerie and chill feeling knowing that it is almost completely unknown to understand the politics of individual Chinese politicians of the PRC. Takes alot of effort to understand that
I think this is unreasonable. Xi's father is also a senior general of the Communist Party, and he himself is an admirer of Mao Zedong. He is not the same person as nationalists. If we want to connect him with nationalism and Yunnan. It takes a long story.
I think this is unreasonable. Xi's father is also a senior general of the Communist Party, and he himself is an admirer of Mao Zedong. He is not the same person as nationalists. If we want to connect him with nationalism and Yunnan. It takes a long story.
Man... this are the best custom events i had ever seen. The musics are good, the portraits, the descriptions... You deserve more Subs. And now i an one of then. Keep doing this, you are really good.
@@stoggafllik Sorry for the late response, but uh...No? I'm not even sure how you "join" Antifa in the first place, they're not a centralized group. I just don't like Fascism.
@@weirdness406 Yes, i do it by modding. Glad this has inspired you though, hope you can make something similar one day if that's what you're aiming for.
8:05 "with many simply mixing Christianity with their traditional folk religions" I have to say that this is a highly accurate understanding of us Chinese.
I noticed that the parties' names are given in Pinyin. I'll make an attempt to give an English version. 00:49 - Kuomintang - the Armed Forces 01:15 - Kuomintang - Yan's Clique 01:41 - Kuomintang - the Armed Forces 02:18 - Kuomintang - Jiang's Clique 03:12 - Liu's Clique 03:38 - Democratic Party 04:08 - Bo's Clique 04:31 - Social Party 05:00 - the Command Post 05:23 - Loyalists 06:44 - Soldiers' Soviet 07:12 - Communist Party 07:44 - Wang's Clique 08:28 - Southern Democratic Faction 08:47 - Constitutional Democratic Party 09:08 - Public Commitee 10:28 - Wei's clique 10:48 - Populistic Democratic Movement 11:20 - Workers' Autonomous Federation (Gongzilian is the abbr. of GongRenZiZhiLianHeHui/Beijing Workers' Autonomous Federation, an organization participated in the protest at the SqUaRe in OTL) 11:48 - Workers' Autonomous Union - Mainstream 12:26 - Xu's Clique 12:42 - the Department (……?) 12:57 - Aristocrats 13:20 - Imperial Court - the Emperor 13:50 - Shanghai Faction 14:08 - Kuomintang - Wang's Clique 14:26 - (Cultural?) Origin Seekers 14:50 - Committee of General Affairs 15:13 - Faction of the Creator of the World 16:02 - the Central Headquarter 16:37 - Conservative National Party 17:09 - White Wolf (nickname of Chang An-le) 17:27 - Zhang's Family 17:44 - CCP (Zhonggong is abbr. for ZhongGuoGongChanDang) 18:03 - Communist Party 18:41 - CCP 19:19 - Communist Party 19:33 - Chen's Clique 19:58 - Joint Right Party (Power and Right all pronounce Quanli in Chinese……dunno which one exactly) 20:32 - (Don't understand what Jingshe is for…… guess Yangming refers to Wang Yangming) 21:35 - Liusan Society (the emblem is just that of Jiusan Society in OTL……is that a typo?) 22:42 - Committee of the Thought 23:19 - the Headquarter 23:38 - the Military Government 24:05 - Buddhism (do we intend to mean some Buddhist organization……?) 24:51 - Patriotic Movement 25:16 - Patriotic Party 25:43 - (don't understand) 26:45 - the Brotherhood 29:34 - United Front
Yangming Jingshe is Yangming Academy, which was founded by Jiang Qing in OTL Also, Liusan is actually on purpose - in OTL the Jiusan Society was named after the end date of the Second World War (September 3rd), but since China lost the Second World War in this universe, they were instead named after the end date of the Great Asian War (June 3rd)
09:08 is not in Pinyin but in Cantonese I think, considering Zheng’s experience OTL. Also, 25:43 is “山林” in Chinese, a term used by the bandits themselves to glorify their gatherings and bases. A Chinese idiom “啸聚山林 (Gathering in Shanlin with a roar)” is used based on the description of Shuihu (水浒), a Yuan-era Chinese popular novel about the civilian heroes that gathered to resist against the feudal dynasty. Apparently the term in the video is used as an irony as Zhao is a bandit through and through.
@@sakeburyojo4218 If that's the case I'd recommend using 绿林好汉/Heroes in the Greenwoods, as typically "Heroes in the Greenwoods" are just "Bandits" in Chinese and "Heroes" is being ironic more straight-forward-ly
Correction: 09:08 should be “Committee of Public Security”. The spelling is definitely Cantonese, took me long enough to figure it out. Makes sense as Zheng irl is in charge of “upholding public security” for the CCP in Hong Kong. The man you saw in the event picture has the average policeman outfit in Mainland China.
3:13 But there is a dream, won't be dead, remember it. No matter how much rain falls the flower of freedom will still bloom. But there is a dream, won't be dead; And in the bottom of our hearts, remember it.
Amazing work. These are easily the best super events I've ever seen; the detail, the music and sound effects as well as the overall visual aesthetic is really well done. I also love the two stages of each one to show how the regime changes after reunification. Not to mention the work going into an event description and bio for every event.
@@MrLuigi98 My ranking for best to worst leaders: 1: Revolutionary KMT - > Republic of China 2: Beiyang Republican Government - > Federal Republic of China 3: Democratic Revolutionary Forces - > Chinese Democratic Republic 4: Chinese United Front (after victory in war) 5: Shaanxi Republic - > Chinese Republic 6: Shandong People's Commune - > Chinese Autonomous Worker's Republic 7: Nanjing Government - > Republic of China (Xunzheng/Military Coup) 8: Guangdong Government - > Republic of China 9: Sichuan People's Government - > Socialist Republic of China 10: Hangzhou Municipal Council - > Republic of China 11: Hangzhou Municipal Council - > Chinese Scientific Federation 12: Shaanxi Soviet Republic - > People's Republic of China 13: Hui Republic - > Sublime People's State of Cathay 14: Fengtian Imperial Government - > Great Qing 15: Nanjing Government - > Republic of China (Legalist/Dang Guo) 16: Western Soldiers' Soviet - > Chinese People's State 17: National Peacebuilding Corps - > Republic of China (Neoconservatism) 18: Nanjing Government - > Ma Xianyang (Hardliner Coup) 19: State of Anhui - > New "Federal" State of China 20: National Unification League - > Greater China 21: Canton Republic - > 'Republic of "China"' (Greater Cantonese Republic) 22: Auspicious Temple of Life - > Monastic China (Buddhist China) 23: Heavenly League - > Mandate of Christ (Taiping Heavenly Kingdom) 24: Anti-Warlord Reunification Army - > National "Republic" Of China (Ultramilitarist) 25: Hubei Mercenaries - > "China" 26: Nanfang Triad - > Greater China Triad (Corporatocracy) 27: Northern Provincial Clique - > United Provinces of China (Neo-Feudalism) 28: Shanghai Political Committee - > """Republic""" Of China (China but fascist) 29: Shaanxi Soviet Republic - > Chinese Soviet Republic (Maoist China) 30: Righteous Way Government - > "Tianxia" (China but ultra-reactionary) 31: Falun Gong - > Celestial State (China but theocratic version of Maoist China) 32: All-China National Brotherhood - > Chinese National Brotherhood (Xi Jinping's China) 33: Zhao's Raiders - > Zhao's Domain (Second Mongol Empire) 34: Chinese National Reorganization Government (Permanent Japanese Puppet State)
22:29 "China is more than just a country. It's the remedy to mankind's... derailment. Give me 20 years, and I'll redevelop the high-technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and our colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." - Ouyang Ziyuan
Well, I watched the entire thing, pausing at some places, and have something to say. This is astonishingly great. Half an hour of total gnomism, baseness and madness. I really like it. But I think, you could add more. Great work, still. If you will make another video of this kind, with dozens of warlord states, I think I will give you some ideas (even if you don't need them)
Thanks, i put a lot of effort into it. The next video with a scale similar to this that I'll be making will be on Russia, if you have any tips or suggestions and maybe even criticisms then i'd be glad to hear them.
@@sovii2852 I'm russian myself. I think you should add Sergei Furgal, former leader of Khabarovsk Region. Irl, his opposition views leaded him to dismission by Russian government, and it sparkled protests. In modern tno scenario, he can be former leader of obkom (Regional Committee of the CPSU). Also I think that in modern TNO scenario, Nemtsov is still alive in 2020s, so Navalny isn't a leader of liberal opposition, maybe (with a low chance) a successor to Nemtsov. If you need something bizzare, your choice is Anatoliy Vasserman. You can make him a left-wing populistic technocrat, or something like this (being a memetic person himself, he holds some strong left beliefs. He even wrote a book about huge role of planned economy in the future, when technological progress makes good enough processors for some form of OGAS). Also, what is situation with Internet? Is it compared more with irl Chinese (total censorship) or is it like in irl Russia (government tries to censor, but it is still a tool of opposition)? If it's like in China, I can suggest some high-ranking officials, like Kasyanov, Stepashin and Kirienko, and even some not Russians, like Lukashenko or even Gurbanguly Berdymuhammedov. If second is available, you can add some irl bloggers, but it will have a lot of similarities to Лимонный's video on Post-Putin Russia Reunification, so I don't recommend doing it. Check his video out if you haven't, by the way. I hope I gave some good ideas.
@@sovii2852 And about criticisms, I have the only two - discord pings in Celestial state and not adding potato pride song in Agricultural communes event in Korea video. Ok, I'm just joking. If being serious, the light-blue text is too hard to read from mobile phones/tablets, so try to make the part with portrait, national focus and other things like 10-15% smaller, and make the text bigger. Only my suggestion as a mobile user. Check the RUclips stats, if more people watch you from mobile phones, then consider doing it.
@@sovii2852 I want to tell you an interesting thing, now many Chinese workers are only beginning to understand after being squeezed by the bureaucratic and capitalist 996 work system. The Gang of Four is the left wing of the party ruling for the working class, and some young Chinese have begun to study Wang Hongwen.
The way I see it; in the Modern TNO timeline, Burgundian System is basically a dead ideology that no one follows anymore, asides from maybe a few somewhat obscure and isolated factions scattered all around the world, kind of like what happened to NatSoc in our timeline.
Man you improved so much recently like really that looks from a hole different game Also that china united front super event kinda made a tear fall out of my eye
I am Chinese and I do not even recognize some of the leaders. As a politic fan, I know most of the persons in the video and I liked it very much. Thank you!
1. The Beiyang Republicans join the Guangdong Government if they beat the KMT in the beginning. Other than that, no. 2. Yes. Zhao, the Mercs, and the Heavenly League.
Most Chinese mod authors have made a mistake that only foreigners can make: China with monarchy / warlords but no Tibet or Xinjiang. But still use the five color flag. However, the five color flag means five ethnic groups as the main body, including Muslims and Tibetans in Xinjiang. It is obvious that the Chinese regime with this flag can not cede Tibet and Xinjiang. They cannot claim reunification until they recover these areas.
Good point but it could represent the claims of China since even though the KMT is stuck in Taiwan they laid claims over all of mainland, Mongolia, Vladivostok, Tanna Tuva and Arunchanal Pradesh until the DPP degenerates took them down
@@congoleseviet834 In fact, before WW2, in order to win the support of the Soviet Union, Chiang Kai Shek had agreed to Mongolia to hold an independence referendum, and the result is conceivable. After WW2, in order to be attached to the United States, Chiang Kai Shek renewed his claim of sovereignty over these places on the grounds that the Soviet Union violated the treaty. The KMT government has not made any practical efforts on China's border they claim. Islands in the South China Sea, the border between Heilongjiang and Tibet, and Diaoyu islands near Japan. These were achieved by the later Republic through various border wars and the strengthening of the naval presence. In China, KMT's behavior is jokingly called "territory opened up in the diary".
@@pancsaer2 I could say something about the Empire of Japan but honestly I’m just surprised you care about a random one word reply on a nine month old comment.
Genuinely wish this could be adapted into the base game, maybe some lore tweaks to make the collapse happen in the late 70s. Then, a race between China & Japan to build themselves back up for an inevitable war.
中文翻译版/CN Ver：ruclips.net/video/nr3QKC-j4Ok/видео.html Hi Bro, I and my friends have finished the Chinese version of your video. Thank you again for your masterwork!
@@sovii2852 Brother, your work has aroused some discussion in the Chinese community, and a large number of people think your work is very interesting and look forward to the completion and release of your future Japanese Civil War project.
As someone with a great interest in alternative history in China and Chinese contemporary politics, I find this really, really well done, from events to the choices of music pieces and quotes. Thank you! Only question I had would be what would happen to the Uyghurs? I know they are still non-existent in the TNO universe, but what do you think?
Glad you enjoyed :) And also, to explain what the Uyghurs are going through in the TNO Universe, I had to take the tidbits of information we get on Xinjiang in TNO. By 1962 Xinjiang is ruled by a clique from the Old KMT, and they're holding onto power just barely. East Turkestan is actually in the game files, which leads me to believe that there's some sort of low-level Uyghur insurgency happening. So in Modern TNO, Xinjiang is recovering from this instability. There are some Uyghur insurgents still around, but most were stomped out by the Chinese. They're seen with suspicion by their Han overlords for their "rebelliousness", and this often leads to mistreatment and abuse. Not to mention the fact that the province is very underdeveloped and the Chinese government tries to "modernize" it by importing Han Chinese workers, who get better treatment in comparison to the Uyghurs, and because of this, the Uyghurs are often displaced and they see this move as colonialism. So yeah, they're facing some similar issues, but it's still far from what they go through IRL.
@@MrLuigi98 Complete personal opinion as a dissident: led by Liu Xiaobo would be blessed, but seems like he wouldn't live to see the unification and I don't trust the rest of the democratic movement clique. Chiang wan-an would be.. fine? Not blessed but certainly better than most of the others. 80% of those leaders would be cursed, and the most cursed is of course the ultranationalist Xi, with Bo Xilai, Liu Yan, Kong Qingdong, Xiong Yan, and Li Hongzhi all being close seconds, equally cursed comparing to our timeline's Xi Jinping in my opinion.
@@jingjingwang3517 I see. Here's mine: 1. Revolutionary KMT 2. Beiyang Republican Government 3. Shaanxi Republic 4. Democratic Revolutionary Forces 5. Shandong People's Commune 6. Nanjing Government - Military Coup 7. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals 8. National Peacebuilding Corps 9. Guangdong Government 10. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup 11. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line 12. Fengtian Imperial Government 13. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats 14. Hui Republic 15. Sichuan People's Government 16. Western Soldiers' Soviet 17. National Unification League 18. Auspicious Temple of Life 19. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup 20. State of Anhui 21. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army 22. Canton Republic 23. Nanfang Triad 24. Hubei Mercenaries 25. Heavenly League 26. Northern Provincial Clique 27. Righteous Way Government 28. Soviet Government - Maoist Line 29. Shanghai Political Committee 30. Falun Gong 31. All-China National Brotherhood 32. Zhao's Raiders
Honestly i prefer that no burgundian system or stuff like it are on sov channel. People tend to just make thosr cuz "funni" or "based"is pretty refreshing seeing compilations without it honestly
@@muffyvonmufington99 Besides, with the Toolbox update, I think we can use different subids that could invoke the horrors the Burgundian System without all the memetic baggage it has
3:12 fyr while he fight against KMT in the game, he also earn Nobel Prize in real life for honouring his sacrifice in the China's democratic movement. RIP Mr Liu.
Impressive work. You get a new sub. I suppose the idea for the Mo Yan government (21:34) came from the "salon system" of Tomsk in TNO. Am I right in that, OP?
Now, for my ranking of most blessed to most cursed factions as I did in Korea. 1. Revolutionary KMT 2. Beiyang Republican Government 3. Shaanxi Republic 4. Democratic Revolutionary Forces 5. Shandong People's Commune 6. Nanjing Government - Military Coup 7. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals 8. National Peacebuilding Corps 9. Guangdong Government 10. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup 11. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line 12. Fengtian Imperial Government 13. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats 14. Hui Republic 15. Sichuan People's Government 16. Western Soldiers' Soviet 17. National Unification League 18. Auspicious Temple of Life 19. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup 20. State of Anhui 21. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army 22. Canton Republic 23. Nanfang Triad 24. Hubei Mercenaries 25. Heavenly League 26. Northern Provincial Clique 27. Righteous Way Government 28. Soviet Government - Maoist Line 29. Shanghai Political Committee 30. Falun Gong 31. All-China National Brotherhood 32. Zhao's Raiders
Why did you put the National Peacebuilding Corps so high within the democratic factions? They are neocons who have modeled their foreign policy of Cold War Era US and probably have the highest chances of starting a nuclear war outside of the militarist leaders. I mean c'mon they are above the Shaanxi Republic who are probably the least violent and most human-rights upholding government of them all, that's kinda dirty on them my man.
@@sadstatic What's the reason? I added Beiyang first because it explicitly mentions that they managed to grant minorities equal rights for all. It's implicit in the other factions but this one says so, which I find to be a good pillar for democracy, equal rights to all groups including ethnic and religious minorities.
@@MrLuigi98 Minzu is one of the core principles of Tridemism, which calls for basically people of all races and ethnicities in China to be united as one to face off against imperialism and oppression. They do not advocate for ethnic nationalism only benefiting the Han majority, but for other ethnicities like Muslims, Tibetans, Mongolians etc. to be equal members of society. With New Kuomintang in charge of the new republic based on liberal democracy, I would imagine that it can basically give a much more lighter stance of people of different cultures compared to OTL KMT. 5:52
I just feel the need to emphasise how awesome the National Peacebuilding Corps ending is, for a fairly normal military ending by the standard of these videos. The meaning of the lyric in the focus (“yese mangmang” - in the boundless darkness of night) really empashises that Xianyu and her troops are completely isolated from their allies and hopes are slim as it falls to them alone to hold back the Japanese tsunami. The wooshing of missiles and jet engines really accentuate the music well too. Excellent work
测试 The flag of the National Brotherhood is a little too traditional and complicated(I mean dragon), and could be replaced by the black dragon flag below, which some Han Nationalists in China have adopted as their symbol over the past decade,The overall layout is also more omsk, though sadly the pictures I found were either not sharp enough or edited and not of very good quality. And I have a new idea that I'm not sure about myself, which is to create a new forces to restore the Ming Dynasty， after all, the Qing dynasty is not very popular in OTL(It has been said on the Chinese Internet that to travel through time without overthrowing the Qing Dynasty, the anus will be used by countless people)，This modern Ming leader can be set as Zhu Rongji - Zhu Yunlai.But then I realized that China has been a republic for a hundred years, and the republican tradition in the south would also be stronger, so joining this force would be a bit forced.
@@husri_17 It's not about epic or not... Dude this is the scar of all Chinese people, me as a Hongkongese hate those Chinese man deeply but this still matters to me. The day when thousands harmless free fighters die under tanks and bullets, when the hope of democracy vanished, when the entire east Europe get away from the totalitarian grasp but Chinese get back to it, and this comes to we Hongkongese today. The song is here anyway, I just hope that everyone should know what happen that day, why it should be remembered, and the spirit behind the song. ruclips.net/video/5GyryRRL-NY/видео.html
@@husri_17 Part of lyrics are here: But there is one dream, never die, remember it. Not matter how the storm roars, freedom will still blossoms. But there is one dream, never die, remember it. From the deepest part of our heart, remember it.
My ranking from blessed to cursed, as a Chinese: 1. Shandong People's Commune (Workers' and masses' paradise, though Han Dongfang is a SocDem in OTL) 2. Shaanxi Republic (Wholesome democracy with a highly progressive constitution) 3. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line (Orthodox internationalist Marxist regime with a possible socialist democracy) 4. Revolutionary KMT (The ideal state of the Three Principles of the People) 5. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals (A meritocracy of thinkers with some democratic trends) 6. Beiyang Republican Government (Healthy centrist or "bourgeois" democracy, treating minorities fairly) 7. Sichuan People's Government (A quasi-socialist China under Bo Xilai's flawed leadership) 8. Nanjing Government - Military Coup (Orthodox Kuomintang in TNO timeline) 9. National Peacebuilding Corps (A military-dominated democracy, with the strongest military force) 10. Western Soldiers' Soviet (Communism with nationalist and militarist characteristics) 11. Democratic Revolutionary Forces (Democracy, but too pro-American, with a controversial and over-glorified leader Liu Xiaobo) 12. Guangdong Government (A flawed and unequal neoliberalist democracy) 13. Hui Republic (The mixture of Islamic theocracy and socialist grassroot democracy) 14. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats (Chinese Zhdanov, his successor may be Kardashev) 15. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup (Chiang Kai-shek's ROC comes back) 16. Fengtian Imperial Government (Great Qing Empire comes back) 17. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup (Chiang's ROC without a facade partocracy) 18. State of Anhui (Cruel authoritarianism, conservativism and capitalism) 19. Hubei Mercenaries (A kleptocracy with a yearning for freedom and prosperity) 20. National Unification League (Personality cult and family dictatorship) 21. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Maoist Line (Insane Maoism with an OTL NazBol as its leader) 22. Canton Republic (A new warlordist regime created by a Canton localist) 23. Nanfang Triad (A heaven for criminal organizations and crony capitalism) 24. Shanghai Political Committee (A standard German-style fascist regime) 25. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army (Ultramilitarism, but impractical) 26. Auspicious Temple of Life (A Tibet-style Buddhist theocracy with a strange BGM) 27. Heavenly League (Christian Fundamentalism, expelling the devils) 28. Righteous Way Government (Confucian Fascism, crushing the scoundrels) 29. Northern Provincial Clique (Maybe China's history as a unified country is over) 30. All-China National Brotherhood (Insane Xi Jinping leading an Omsk-style vengeful nation) 31. Falun Gong (Cultism) 32. Zhao's Raiders (Craze!)
Great video man good job. In this modern version of TNO 911 and Covid still exist? You should do a similar video about Italy, Europe or the USA in this context.
@@sovii2852 Okay so Asia first. I thought that covid is Russian or Japanese ( maybe some experiment gone wrong). And the Twin Towers are still there? If it's true good news. So no War on Terror?
@@felicianobaldi2174 No War on Terror per se because the Cold War itself is still ongoing, but there are still terrorists who are able to roam and carry out their insurgencies in a far wider scale as many countries in this world are very unstable, especially in places like subsaharan Africa
@@sovii2852 Okay thanks and sorry for disturbing you. Congratulation for video, it's awsome. I thought that the channel was deleted by youtube for the content. Why the Syrian video is PEGI 18?
@@felicianobaldi2174 Don't worry and also, thanks. I made the Syria video 18+ because of the last two superevents, i had to make it clear i wasn't glorifying ISIS so yt would not take it down, so i put as many restrictions possible.
I know this won't ever be an actual functioning mod, but what should the ramifications and consequences be for the Japanese if they were to defeat the Chinese?
They'd take China's place as the main Asian power once again; following the Great Asian War Japan became essentially irrelevant, and by having China not only collapse but also invading them and turning them into a puppet state essentially brings them back to relevance in Asian geopolitics. But at the same time there's the human toll Japan would take in such a disastrous war and other world powers would be FAR more hostile towards them.
@@sovii2852 It is no longer feasible to engage in colonialism, and almost no young people in China can farm. If they are defeated and controlled by Japan, then everyone will be an Anarchist. Can't get any colonial gains
@@MrLuigi98 Xu Caihou is the worst warlord,i think. Although he is not some funni burgsys guy,he's literally returning the feudal system and destroying the Chinese national identity.
Let me piece it together: Modern TNO is within the timeframe of 2012-2022, and China is somewhat stable before the collapse. The Nanjing Government won the Great Asian War and after a 15 year reconstruction period they were able to get back on their feet. They're ruled by Jiang Zemin's Shanghai Clique (With Jiang ruling between 1994-2012 following Gao Zongwu's death and then handing over power to Wu Bangguo) and all things considered, they're very similar to OTL China but with the Kuomintang in charge. If you take a look at the leader biographies (only if you want to, of course) you'll see that corruption and general incompetence is a massive problem in this China, and the Kuomintang's failure to bring democracy following Gao Zongwu's death made them look illegitimate; even KMT politicians opposed to the Shanghai Clique claim that the Kuomintang failed to live up to their original ideals. (And these KMT politicians go on to establish the Revolutionary KMT in Fujian should Chiang Hsiao-yen's coup fail.) The rest is explained in the first event; there are strikes, protests, the government wants the military to crack down on them, the military splits, dissidents return to China and call for a revolution, the country falls into a paralysis, people start taking up arms, and then all hell breaks loose.
@@sovii2852 I noticed that some dissidents that escaped from China or arrested because of Spring of Beijing, Tiananmen1989 and other events also appeared in the video, like Liu Xiaobo, Wei Jingsheng and maybe also Guo Wengui. So did the government of China in modern TNO supress the movements for democracy, like OTL? Did Cultural Revolution, Spring of Beijing, Tiananmen1989 and many other events also happened here?
@@qacheaksr3800 Sorry for the late response! I was actually hoping someone would ask this very question. There was a democracy movement around the same time as OTL, but things went a little different. After the Great Asian War, China entered a reconstruction phase to recover from the conflict, and plans to restore democracy were put on hold. This was a controversial move and there were some protests against it. The Democracy Wall Movement happened in this timeline, which is where Wei Jingsheng began his activism, but it was on a very small scale to have that much of an impact and only a few individuals (including Wei) were punished for it. By the mid 1980s, the KMT begins to relax some of its' restrictions of public meetings. This lead to the emergence of the second democracy movement. They appear in small-scale demonstrations at first, but they peak in 1988 following the death of Tao Xisheng, an important member of Gao's inner circle who had tried to push for democratization. Now, this is the point where things get serious for the KMT. Gao wanted to push for democratization, but by that point he had kicked the issue so far down the road that a good portion of the KMT was against democratization. Not to mention that Tao's death meant Gao had lost a major ally who was sympathetic to democracy, and he was practically alone. Back to the democracy movement, they will peak between 1988-1992, but they will fail to make any meaningful change because of internal squabbles between students and workers. The workers want to push for social reforms, but the students only cared about democratization and they saw the trade unionists with suspicion. This eventually leads to the trade unions abandoning the movement and the student organizations begin to rapidly decline. By the time the government finally cracks down on them in 1994, these organizations are so small and fragile that it goes mostly unnoticed in China and the world. As for the government, Gao's health deterriorated during the crisis due to his age. Without Gao, the KMT had split in half between those who were favorable to democracy and those who were not, this divide was bridged by Jiang Zemin's Shanghai Clique, who took a neutral stance during the crisis. The Clique grew and became so influential that when Gao finally died, Jiang took power, and the rest is history. So to sum it up, there was a democracy movement that shook the entire country, but they failed due to internal issues. The conservative faction of the KMT won out and repressed these movements, but not on the same scale as the CCP did in OTL, so there were no "incidents" and such.
0:27 I feel as though, somewhere in China, there is a 'X days without national crisis' sign hung in a daoist temple thats been around since the Spring & Autumn Period with how often this shit happens.
What happens to nationalists/communists/democrats when the Chongqing Conference fails? What prevents the formation of a state, like the OTL KMT in the warlord era from having national aspirations and reunifying China through a second northern expedition?
They collapse into factionalism and are split between different groups. When the United Front is formed, all three of them absorb different political movements that don't necessarily align with their mainstream ideology but are sympathetic to their goals. The Democrats have Progressives and Market Liberals in their ranks, the KMT has Neocons and proto-Fascists, and the Communists have to deal with Reformists, Pro-Moscow Communists, Maoists and even some ultranationalists. So if the Conference fails, these movements collapse and its' members are scattered into regional warlord governments. That doesn't mean there wouldn't be a KMT warlord or two, but they would be so crippled that it would take a few years for them to prepare another Northern Expedition.
25:44 the super event you all are waiting for, The Murderous Warlord raiding all of China and making Burgundy piss it’s pants, and also forming an alliance with Jaba Ioseliani and The Pirates from Korea!
Talking if Zhihong (Warlordic Zhao’s Domain) and Ki-Chul (Thalassocrat Chongjin Pirates from Korean Collapse’s) was alive during Asian occupation of Imperial Japan, those two would form an alliance and horrify Japan so bad they withdrawn troops from China and Korea. Alliance contacts Ioseliani to join said alliance and reform Sino-Russo-Korean alliance and conquer Mongolia, making Burgundy and Germany consider them “too extremist.”
Ki-chul got control of seas making Somalian pirates just run away, Zhao riding into the Kazakhs and enslaving most Muslim minorities and Ioseliani ready to raid former Eastern Bloc countries.
Great Video! Though I must say, a part of me is disappointed for a lack of a NatSoc path as Chiang Kai Sheks son was a Wehrmacht soldier for some time, as well as the Chinese Blueshirts being more interesting as fascists since they subscribed to the economics of georgism rather than traditional corporatism. With that being said, great work!
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26:45 Breaking News! Winnie the pooh unveils Omsk 2
Yun and Yazov's lovechild.
do you have many social credit scores if you don-
Omsk 2 is being made
Uh oh looks like you've unlocked the new Long Yun or worse again other warlords can make order 44 boogaloo 2.0 on some minority if you know who.
The Red Trial???
You have a terrifyingly esoteric understanding of modern-day Chinese politics and dissidents. 90% of the leaders here give me a minor heart attack because of how cursed they are. 10/10 work.
Granted... this is not the china we know
How?
@@tunityguyprobably from all the obscure (at least in the English speaking Internet) figures used here, plus using Chinese people in Taiwan and not just from the Mainland
@@endcaps1917 It's like some eerie replica. It's familiar, and we recognize it, but we know something is wrong.
@@tunityguyit’s just an eerie and chill feeling knowing that it is almost completely unknown to understand the politics of individual Chinese politicians of the PRC. Takes alot of effort to understand that
Back when I was in kindergarten my classmate’s grandpa was arrested for corruption, guess who he was, *XU CAIHOU*
holy shit
我超 那你同学后来怎样了
@@tae-wanjang7487 不知道，按道理说应该没事。
Aye yo, so did His father get arrested or entire his family get involved too !?
@@PitunghereTNOschizo100 Nothing happened to his family, most likely that is
27:58 Just Imagine, some Japanese tanks being towed away by Chinese farmer's tractors
Not even reforged Nippon steel can defeat Mother Earth on China
LMAO
LMAOOOOOOO!1
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
LMAOOOOOOO
The All-China Brotherhood appears in Yunnan, this can't be a coincidence
The event says he was inspired by Long Yun's statelet
Xi revenge to those guys who said he winnie
I think this is unreasonable. Xi's father is also a senior general of the Communist Party, and he himself is an admirer of Mao Zedong. He is not the same person as nationalists. If we want to connect him with nationalism and Yunnan. It takes a long story.
I think this is unreasonable. Xi's father is also a senior general of the Communist Party, and he himself is an admirer of Mao Zedong. He is not the same person as nationalists. If we want to connect him with nationalism and Yunnan. It takes a long story.
@@user-fn8nh1cu5v Nationalism这个问题可以讨论讨论，毕竟是TNO世界线
15:22 Li Hongzhi got a discord notification in the middle of his speech
I thought i was the only one who heard it lol
Gotta groom his little kittens
@@kenji640 His crypto-kittens, so to speak?
hongzhi, leader of cult and full-time discord moderator
Look! A N*zi symbol in speech table!!
5:00 ATTENTION ALL UNITS!THIS IS NOT A DRILL! CHINESE WERBELL SPOTTED!I REPEAT,CHINESE WERBELL SPOTTED!
And unlike WerBell, he doesn't give a shit of truly creating a stable nation.
@@MrLuigi98 unbased and bluepilled Werbell
IRL he defected to the U.S and enlisted in the Army.
You should share this on the subreddit so more TNO fans could appreciate this
What is the name of the Reddit TNO?
@@idzam74 TNOmod
Man... this are the best custom events i had ever seen.
The musics are good, the portraits, the descriptions...
You deserve more Subs.
And now i an one of then.
Keep doing this, you are really good.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed :)
@@sovii2852 Are you a member of Antifa? Pls do answer this question.
How are you making the descriptions and events? By actual modding? Because you're inspiring me to do something similar.
@@stoggafllik Sorry for the late response, but uh...No? I'm not even sure how you "join" Antifa in the first place, they're not a centralized group. I just don't like Fascism.
@@weirdness406 Yes, i do it by modding. Glad this has inspired you though, hope you can make something similar one day if that's what you're aiming for.
8:05 "with many simply mixing Christianity with their traditional folk religions"
I have to say that this is a highly accurate understanding of us Chinese.
I like how at 2:14 it cuts to the sound of a shower and somebody sighing as if It was all a dream
I noticed that the parties' names are given in Pinyin. I'll make an attempt to give an English version.
00:49 - Kuomintang - the Armed Forces
01:15 - Kuomintang - Yan's Clique
01:41 - Kuomintang - the Armed Forces
02:18 - Kuomintang - Jiang's Clique
03:12 - Liu's Clique
03:38 - Democratic Party
04:08 - Bo's Clique
04:31 - Social Party
05:00 - the Command Post
05:23 - Loyalists
06:44 - Soldiers' Soviet
07:12 - Communist Party
07:44 - Wang's Clique
08:28 - Southern Democratic Faction
08:47 - Constitutional Democratic Party
09:08 - Public Commitee
10:28 - Wei's clique
10:48 - Populistic Democratic Movement
11:20 - Workers' Autonomous Federation (Gongzilian is the abbr. of GongRenZiZhiLianHeHui/Beijing Workers' Autonomous Federation, an organization participated in the protest at the SqUaRe in OTL)
11:48 - Workers' Autonomous Union - Mainstream
12:26 - Xu's Clique
12:42 - the Department (……?)
12:57 - Aristocrats
13:20 - Imperial Court - the Emperor
13:50 - Shanghai Faction
14:08 - Kuomintang - Wang's Clique
14:26 - (Cultural?) Origin Seekers
14:50 - Committee of General Affairs
15:13 - Faction of the Creator of the World
16:02 - the Central Headquarter
16:37 - Conservative National Party
17:09 - White Wolf (nickname of Chang An-le)
17:27 - Zhang's Family
17:44 - CCP (Zhonggong is abbr. for ZhongGuoGongChanDang)
18:03 - Communist Party
18:41 - CCP
19:19 - Communist Party
19:33 - Chen's Clique
19:58 - Joint Right Party (Power and Right all pronounce Quanli in Chinese……dunno which one exactly)
20:32 - (Don't understand what Jingshe is for…… guess Yangming refers to Wang Yangming)
21:35 - Liusan Society (the emblem is just that of Jiusan Society in OTL……is that a typo?)
22:42 - Committee of the Thought
23:19 - the Headquarter
23:38 - the Military Government
24:05 - Buddhism (do we intend to mean some Buddhist organization……?)
24:51 - Patriotic Movement
25:16 - Patriotic Party
25:43 - (don't understand)
26:45 - the Brotherhood
29:34 - United Front
Yangming Jingshe is Yangming Academy, which was founded by Jiang Qing in OTL
Also, Liusan is actually on purpose - in OTL the Jiusan Society was named after the end date of the Second World War (September 3rd), but since China lost the Second World War in this universe, they were instead named after the end date of the Great Asian War (June 3rd)
09:08 is not in Pinyin but in Cantonese I think, considering Zheng’s experience OTL.
Also, 25:43 is “山林” in Chinese, a term used by the bandits themselves to glorify their gatherings and bases. A Chinese idiom “啸聚山林 (Gathering in Shanlin with a roar)” is used based on the description of Shuihu (水浒), a Yuan-era Chinese popular novel about the civilian heroes that gathered to resist against the feudal dynasty. Apparently the term in the video is used as an irony as Zhao is a bandit through and through.
@@sakeburyojo4218 If that's the case I'd recommend using 绿林好汉/Heroes in the Greenwoods, as typically "Heroes in the Greenwoods" are just "Bandits" in Chinese and "Heroes" is being ironic more straight-forward-ly
Correction: 09:08 should be “Committee of Public Security”. The spelling is definitely Cantonese, took me long enough to figure it out. Makes sense as Zheng irl is in charge of “upholding public security” for the CCP in Hong Kong. The man you saw in the event picture has the average policeman outfit in Mainland China.
What does Xu's faction name in 12:42 mean?
I wonder how embarrassed Japan would be by having China kick its ass for a 2nd time
It’ll be better if Japan goes spitting up like China as well. You must remember no one went on their mainland.
Enough to provoke a civil war in Japan itself.
3:13 But there is a dream, won't be dead, remember it. No matter how much rain falls the flower of freedom will still bloom.
But there is a dream, won't be dead; And in the bottom of our hearts, remember it.
用刘晓波做觉得不合适，换成贺卫方还可以
关键是刘晓波的殖民300年太魔怔了😅
Amazing work. These are easily the best super events I've ever seen; the detail, the music and sound effects as well as the overall visual aesthetic is really well done. I also love the two stages of each one to show how the regime changes after reunification. Not to mention the work going into an event description and bio for every event.
This needs to be an actual mod. The detail that went into this is immaculate, and you deserve more credit for this
Indeed.
Also, what could be your ranking of most blessed to most cursed leaders?
Agreed. I’ve seen recently that someone released a preview of a 2000 version of TNO, so something cool could be built from that.
@@crocve that's true
@@MrLuigi98 My ranking for best to worst leaders:
1: Revolutionary KMT - > Republic of China
2: Beiyang Republican Government - > Federal Republic of China
3: Democratic Revolutionary Forces - > Chinese Democratic Republic
4: Chinese United Front (after victory in war)
5: Shaanxi Republic - > Chinese Republic
6: Shandong People's Commune - > Chinese Autonomous Worker's Republic
7: Nanjing Government - > Republic of China (Xunzheng/Military Coup)
8: Guangdong Government - > Republic of China
9: Sichuan People's Government - > Socialist Republic of China
10: Hangzhou Municipal Council - > Republic of China
11: Hangzhou Municipal Council - > Chinese Scientific Federation
12: Shaanxi Soviet Republic - > People's Republic of China
13: Hui Republic - > Sublime People's State of Cathay
14: Fengtian Imperial Government - > Great Qing
15: Nanjing Government - > Republic of China (Legalist/Dang Guo)
16: Western Soldiers' Soviet - > Chinese People's State
17: National Peacebuilding Corps - > Republic of China (Neoconservatism)
18: Nanjing Government - > Ma Xianyang (Hardliner Coup)
19: State of Anhui - > New "Federal" State of China
20: National Unification League - > Greater China
21: Canton Republic - > 'Republic of "China"' (Greater Cantonese Republic)
22: Auspicious Temple of Life - > Monastic China (Buddhist China)
23: Heavenly League - > Mandate of Christ (Taiping Heavenly Kingdom)
24: Anti-Warlord Reunification Army - > National "Republic" Of China (Ultramilitarist)
25: Hubei Mercenaries - > "China"
26: Nanfang Triad - > Greater China Triad (Corporatocracy)
27: Northern Provincial Clique - > United Provinces of China (Neo-Feudalism)
28: Shanghai Political Committee - > """Republic""" Of China (China but fascist)
29: Shaanxi Soviet Republic - > Chinese Soviet Republic (Maoist China)
30: Righteous Way Government - > "Tianxia" (China but ultra-reactionary)
31: Falun Gong - > Celestial State (China but theocratic version of Maoist China)
32: All-China National Brotherhood - > Chinese National Brotherhood (Xi Jinping's China)
33: Zhao's Raiders - > Zhao's Domain (Second Mongol Empire)
34: Chinese National Reorganization Government (Permanent Japanese Puppet State)
@@vistagreat9994 Good picks.
Why's Sichuan better than Hui tho?
17:44 The leader legacy has returned.
Chairman (King)Kong
22:29
"China is more than just a country. It's the remedy to mankind's... derailment. Give me 20 years, and I'll redevelop the high-technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and our colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." - Ouyang Ziyuan
The Hou- er, I mean, The Ziyuan always wins.
Nice quote
I wonder if there’s someone like House in actual Fallout China
12:57 You absolutely did not have to go that hard.
*But you did.*
+5% imperial Glory buff hits hard
Based and glorious
Anybody know what’s being shouted?
@@TellEmB290 It's "Wansui" or "Ten Thousand Years", a yelling for emperor's longevity. It's similar with "Banzai" in Japanese.
Well, I watched the entire thing, pausing at some places, and have something to say. This is astonishingly great. Half an hour of total gnomism, baseness and madness. I really like it. But I think, you could add more. Great work, still. If you will make another video of this kind, with dozens of warlord states, I think I will give you some ideas (even if you don't need them)
Thanks, i put a lot of effort into it. The next video with a scale similar to this that I'll be making will be on Russia, if you have any tips or suggestions and maybe even criticisms then i'd be glad to hear them.
@@sovii2852 I'm russian myself. I think you should add Sergei Furgal, former leader of Khabarovsk Region. Irl, his opposition views leaded him to dismission by Russian government, and it sparkled protests. In modern tno scenario, he can be former leader of obkom (Regional Committee of the CPSU). Also I think that in modern TNO scenario, Nemtsov is still alive in 2020s, so Navalny isn't a leader of liberal opposition, maybe (with a low chance) a successor to Nemtsov. If you need something bizzare, your choice is Anatoliy Vasserman. You can make him a left-wing populistic technocrat, or something like this (being a memetic person himself, he holds some strong left beliefs. He even wrote a book about huge role of planned economy in the future, when technological progress makes good enough processors for some form of OGAS). Also, what is situation with Internet? Is it compared more with irl Chinese (total censorship) or is it like in irl Russia (government tries to censor, but it is still a tool of opposition)? If it's like in China, I can suggest some high-ranking officials, like Kasyanov, Stepashin and Kirienko, and even some not Russians, like Lukashenko or even Gurbanguly Berdymuhammedov. If second is available, you can add some irl bloggers, but it will have a lot of similarities to Лимонный's video on Post-Putin Russia Reunification, so I don't recommend doing it. Check his video out if you haven't, by the way. I hope I gave some good ideas.
@@sovii2852 And about criticisms, I have the only two - discord pings in Celestial state and not adding potato pride song in Agricultural communes event in Korea video.
Ok, I'm just joking. If being serious, the light-blue text is too hard to read from mobile phones/tablets, so try to make the part with portrait, national focus and other things like 10-15% smaller, and make the text bigger. Only my suggestion as a mobile user. Check the RUclips stats, if more people watch you from mobile phones, then consider doing it.
@@sovii2852 I want to tell you an interesting thing, now many Chinese workers are only beginning to understand after being squeezed by the bureaucratic and capitalist 996 work system. The Gang of Four is the left wing of the party ruling for the working class, and some young Chinese have begun to study Wang Hongwen.
@@user-bg1yq2qe1y I support Chinese anti-CCP socialists, but how are your words connected to the comments or video (apart from being about China)?
8:04 "There is no doubt he was once a good man. But, blinded by his faith, he has lost his sight."
Goddamn, that's good writing.
27:00 imagine going through an entire alternate universe just to replace xi jinping with xi jinping
xi:
the cooler xi:
@@neileung 🤣
Thank you for making the first ever TNO Reunification Superevent Compilation with *no* Esonaz/Burgsys rulers of any type.
The way I see it; in the Modern TNO timeline, Burgundian System is basically a dead ideology that no one follows anymore, asides from maybe a few somewhat obscure and isolated factions scattered all around the world, kind of like what happened to NatSoc in our timeline.
@@ETB3341 because it's China and not Europe/The West. So it doesn't make any sense.
You don't need to be an Esonaz ruler to be cursed.
The gongs? Kinda close
@@ETB3341lo and behold, now Esonaz is folded into Natsoc
26:46 "His father would later be assasinated by ugyhur nationalists"
Even in Modern TNO, the Ugyhurs will never able to catch a break under Xi rule.
You said it very well, I also hope that the descendants of the former Crusaders can kill less people when they go to Islamic countries.
*Uyghurs
@@filthymolotovite Sorry if i spell it wrong, the name quite confusing for me and it always make me to switch the words.
Man you improved so much recently like really that looks from a hole different game
Also that china united front super event kinda made a tear fall out of my eye
I am Chinese and I do not even recognize some of the leaders. As a politic fan, I know most of the persons in the video and I liked it very much. Thank you!
爱来自瓷器
This are by far the best custom super events on youtube, really great job!
Holy shit I never thought I'd see something that would beat the American warlords video... this is excellent!
22:30 This guy could belong in the Red Flood world!
26:19 Zhihong boutta get 55 days in peking’d
GERMANY JAPAN USA ITALY FRANCE BRITAIN BRAZIL AND USSR ANNOUNCE 8 NATION ALLIANCE 2
INVASION IMMINENT
Does this mean we'll finally get a Red Army Choir version of 55 days in Peking?
29:35 best ending
The ending we all wanted: 19:59
The ending god chose: 26:45
4:08 The ending we all wanted
25:42 The ending god chose
29:35 The ending we all wanted
30:27 The ending god (Amaterasu) chose
@@vistagreat9994 Oh yeah fuck that ending.
The ending we all wanted: 18:41
The ending god chose: 17:44
@@leszas872 They are so similar so does it really make a difference?
6:18 is absolutely the best possible ending, Sun’s vision of China: finally realized
18:02 I guess the Shandong Commune is still out there fighting the Red Guards
这个视频真的太强了！！！
YES THAFS WHat IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
12:57 and 26:45 are just surreal
manchu empire vs winnie the pooh black league
1: Would any of the warlord states in anarchy be able to peacefully unify?
2: Would any of the unifications lead to a second warlord era?
1. The Beiyang Republicans join the Guangdong Government if they beat the KMT in the beginning. Other than that, no.
2. Yes. Zhao, the Mercs, and the Heavenly League.
Damn... This is awesome, no hate nor bias, just purely speculation and analysis
汉麻党？？你只是想推广工业大麻对吧😨😨
According Chinese viewers it's a bit spotty like having the pentacolor flag when 2 of the 5 regions represented are independent etc but yea, good shit
12:57
This is based. Peace and Prosperity forever!
26:45 Язов, ты ли это? После стольких лет ты вернулся...
26:06 interesting…
26:35 OH GOD OH FUCK OH SHIT
(Also great video as always)
He boutta get coalitioned by the entire planet
Most Chinese mod authors have made a mistake that only foreigners can make: China with monarchy / warlords but no Tibet or Xinjiang. But still use the five color flag.
However, the five color flag means five ethnic groups as the main body, including Muslims and Tibetans in Xinjiang. It is obvious that the Chinese regime with this flag can not cede Tibet and Xinjiang. They cannot claim reunification until they recover these areas.
他们不懂五色旗的含义 五族共和
They declared independence when the whole warlord thing happened
Good point but it could represent the claims of China since even though the KMT is stuck in Taiwan they laid claims over all of mainland, Mongolia, Vladivostok, Tanna Tuva and Arunchanal Pradesh until the DPP degenerates took them down
@@congoleseviet834 In fact, before WW2, in order to win the support of the Soviet Union, Chiang Kai Shek had agreed to Mongolia to hold an independence referendum, and the result is conceivable. After WW2, in order to be attached to the United States, Chiang Kai Shek renewed his claim of sovereignty over these places on the grounds that the Soviet Union violated the treaty.
The KMT government has not made any practical efforts on China's border they claim. Islands in the South China Sea, the border between Heilongjiang and Tibet, and Diaoyu islands near Japan. These were achieved by the later Republic through various border wars and the strengthening of the naval presence.
In China, KMT's behavior is jokingly called "territory opened up in the diary".
@@user-fn8nh1cu5v But this is alternative history, so who is to say a new KMT government in this timeline doesn't have the same intentions
30:26 Worst Ending.
Best
@@augustajuliuscaesar1031 No.
@@pancsaer2 I could say something about the Empire of Japan but honestly I’m just surprised you care about a random one word reply on a nine month old comment.
This comment is now 9 months old@@augustajuliuscaesar1031
Genuinely wish this could be adapted into the base game, maybe some lore tweaks to make the collapse happen in the late 70s. Then, a race between China & Japan to build themselves back up for an inevitable war.
As a Chinese, I can say this is very based
but you havent got internet
中文翻译版/CN Ver：ruclips.net/video/nr3QKC-j4Ok/видео.html
Hi Bro, I and my friends have finished the Chinese version of your video. Thank you again for your masterwork!
You're welcome! You guys did a great job, I'm honored :,)
@@sovii2852 Brother, your work has aroused some discussion in the Chinese community, and a large number of people think your work is very interesting and look forward to the completion and release of your future Japanese Civil War project.
大佬nb
@@sovii2852 sov you should pin this
23:20 These battlefield 2 voicelines are so funny I'm dead laughing
Even funnier when you realize that it is an actual war song with a melody like that.
@@kurnma3776 and it sounds cool
Just enough mix of hope and despair a proper tno event
As someone with a great interest in alternative history in China and Chinese contemporary politics, I find this really, really well done, from events to the choices of music pieces and quotes. Thank you!
Only question I had would be what would happen to the Uyghurs? I know they are still non-existent in the TNO universe, but what do you think?
Glad you enjoyed :)
And also, to explain what the Uyghurs are going through in the TNO Universe, I had to take the tidbits of information we get on Xinjiang in TNO. By 1962 Xinjiang is ruled by a clique from the Old KMT, and they're holding onto power just barely. East Turkestan is actually in the game files, which leads me to believe that there's some sort of low-level Uyghur insurgency happening.
So in Modern TNO, Xinjiang is recovering from this instability. There are some Uyghur insurgents still around, but most were stomped out by the Chinese. They're seen with suspicion by their Han overlords for their "rebelliousness", and this often leads to mistreatment and abuse. Not to mention the fact that the province is very underdeveloped and the Chinese government tries to "modernize" it by importing Han Chinese workers, who get better treatment in comparison to the Uyghurs, and because of this, the Uyghurs are often displaced and they see this move as colonialism. So yeah, they're facing some similar issues, but it's still far from what they go through IRL.
@@sovii2852 Thank you for your insights!
Out of curiosity, what is your ranking of most blessed to most cursed factions of the video? I made one myself.
@@MrLuigi98 Complete personal opinion as a dissident: led by Liu Xiaobo would be blessed, but seems like he wouldn't live to see the unification and I don't trust the rest of the democratic movement clique. Chiang wan-an would be.. fine? Not blessed but certainly better than most of the others. 80% of those leaders would be cursed, and the most cursed is of course the ultranationalist Xi, with Bo Xilai, Liu Yan, Kong Qingdong, Xiong Yan, and Li Hongzhi all being close seconds, equally cursed comparing to our timeline's Xi Jinping in my opinion.
@@jingjingwang3517 I see.
Here's mine:
1. Revolutionary KMT
2. Beiyang Republican Government
3. Shaanxi Republic
4. Democratic Revolutionary Forces
5. Shandong People's Commune
6. Nanjing Government - Military Coup
7. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals
8. National Peacebuilding Corps
9. Guangdong Government
10. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup
11. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line
12. Fengtian Imperial Government
13. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats
14. Hui Republic
15. Sichuan People's Government
16. Western Soldiers' Soviet
17. National Unification League
18. Auspicious Temple of Life
19. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup
20. State of Anhui
21. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army
22. Canton Republic
23. Nanfang Triad
24. Hubei Mercenaries
25. Heavenly League
26. Northern Provincial Clique
27. Righteous Way Government
28. Soviet Government - Maoist Line
29. Shanghai Political Committee
30. Falun Gong
31. All-China National Brotherhood
32. Zhao's Raiders
15:13 i am suprised that it is not burgundian system
Honestly i prefer that no burgundian system or stuff like it are on sov channel. People tend to just make thosr cuz "funni" or "based"is pretty refreshing seeing compilations without it honestly
@@muffyvonmufington99
Besides, with the Toolbox update, I think we can use different subids that could invoke the horrors the Burgundian System without all the memetic baggage it has
你太高看李洪志了，他懂个寄吧的勃艮第。
Alright Sov if Chiang Wan-an gets elected as Mayor I'm gonna ask you to buy some lottery tickets
11:41 Once again Syndicalism triumphs over Tyranny.
Wake up number 96654,you need to report to your nearest barrack for the invasion of Taiwan,Hail Chairman Xi Jinping
break the chains
3:12 fyr while he fight against KMT in the game, he also earn Nobel Prize in real life for honouring his sacrifice in the China's democratic movement. RIP Mr Liu.
He's dead?
Well RIP, may his struggle be eternal
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RIPBOZO #packwatch
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Impressive work. You get a new sub. I suppose the idea for the Mo Yan government (21:34) came from the "salon system" of Tomsk in TNO. Am I right in that, OP?
Thanks, and oh yeah, it was totally based on Tomsk lol
@@sovii2852 What happened to the salon members in Modern TNO?
I imagine Shostakovich and Weinberg focusing on music?
Now, for my ranking of most blessed to most cursed factions as I did in Korea.
1. Revolutionary KMT
2. Beiyang Republican Government
3. Shaanxi Republic
4. Democratic Revolutionary Forces
5. Shandong People's Commune
6. Nanjing Government - Military Coup
7. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals
8. National Peacebuilding Corps
9. Guangdong Government
10. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup
11. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line
12. Fengtian Imperial Government
13. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats
14. Hui Republic
15. Sichuan People's Government
16. Western Soldiers' Soviet
17. National Unification League
18. Auspicious Temple of Life
19. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup
20. State of Anhui
21. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army
22. Canton Republic
23. Nanfang Triad
24. Hubei Mercenaries
25. Heavenly League
26. Northern Provincial Clique
27. Righteous Way Government
28. Soviet Government - Maoist Line
29. Shanghai Political Committee
30. Falun Gong
31. All-China National Brotherhood
32. Zhao's Raiders
Why did you put the National Peacebuilding Corps so high within the democratic factions? They are neocons who have modeled their foreign policy of Cold War Era US and probably have the highest chances of starting a nuclear war outside of the militarist leaders.
I mean c'mon they are above the Shaanxi Republic who are probably the least violent and most human-rights upholding government of them all, that's kinda dirty on them my man.
@@VelhoTeste I got carried away by the descriptions, sorry about that.
Revolutionary KMT could be placed 1st imho
@@sadstatic What's the reason? I added Beiyang first because it explicitly mentions that they managed to grant minorities equal rights for all. It's implicit in the other factions but this one says so, which I find to be a good pillar for democracy, equal rights to all groups including ethnic and religious minorities.
@@MrLuigi98 Minzu is one of the core principles of Tridemism, which calls for basically people of all races and ethnicities in China to be united as one to face off against imperialism and oppression. They do not advocate for ethnic nationalism only benefiting the Han majority, but for other ethnicities like Muslims, Tibetans, Mongolians etc. to be equal members of society.
With New Kuomintang in charge of the new republic based on liberal democracy, I would imagine that it can basically give a much more lighter stance of people of different cultures compared to OTL KMT. 5:52
18:41 brother hao's step brother rules!
I just feel the need to emphasise how awesome the National Peacebuilding Corps ending is, for a fairly normal military ending by the standard of these videos. The meaning of the lyric in the focus (“yese mangmang” - in the boundless darkness of night) really empashises that Xianyu and her troops are completely isolated from their allies and hopes are slim as it falls to them alone to hold back the Japanese tsunami. The wooshing of missiles and jet engines really accentuate the music well too. Excellent work
Remember the Spartanist of Irkutsk?
26:45
This is him now. Feel old yet?
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So you will get him if you set irkustk ideology to spartanist?
"Remember the Spartanist of Irkutsk?" No i do not please elaborate
One of the best super event videos I’ve seen
23:19 el ritmo es el mismo de la canción de Pin pon XD
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The flag of the National Brotherhood is a little too traditional and complicated(I mean dragon), and could be replaced by the black dragon flag below, which some Han Nationalists in China have adopted as their symbol over the past decade,The overall layout is also more omsk, though sadly the pictures I found were either not sharp enough or edited and not of very good quality.
And I have a new idea that I'm not sure about myself, which is to create a new forces to restore the Ming Dynasty， after all, the Qing dynasty is not very popular in OTL(It has been said on the Chinese Internet that to travel through time without overthrowing the Qing Dynasty, the anus will be used by countless people)，This modern Ming leader can be set as Zhu Rongji - Zhu Yunlai.But then I realized that China has been a republic for a hundred years, and the republican tradition in the south would also be stronger, so joining this force would be a bit forced.
Well, the thing is that given this alternate history, it's likely that resentment for the Japanese is higher than towards the Qing.
Have you seen the red flood Chinese super events video? It is very well made and had a Ming restoration path.
3:12 This is the song that sung every June Fourth in Hong Kong, the last time was at 2019. We never forget, great appreciate for using this song.
I wanna know this version, so epic
@@husri_17 It's not about epic or not... Dude this is the scar of all Chinese people, me as a Hongkongese hate those Chinese man deeply but this still matters to me. The day when thousands harmless free fighters die under tanks and bullets, when the hope of democracy vanished, when the entire east Europe get away from the totalitarian grasp but Chinese get back to it, and this comes to we Hongkongese today.
The song is here anyway, I just hope that everyone should know what happen that day, why it should be remembered, and the spirit behind the song.
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Part of lyrics are here:
But there is one dream, never die, remember it.
Not matter how the storm roars, freedom will still blossoms.
But there is one dream, never die, remember it.
From the deepest part of our heart, remember it.
3:13 Blessed Ending
I agree.
好活，这下洋人比我更懂赛里斯了（😓
Was looking forward to this since the Korean video and you don't disappoint
I have fucking been waiting waiting you.... Surely one of the best custom super events channel!!
My ranking from blessed to cursed, as a Chinese:
1. Shandong People's Commune (Workers' and masses' paradise, though Han Dongfang is a SocDem in OTL)
2. Shaanxi Republic (Wholesome democracy with a highly progressive constitution)
3. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Orthodox Line (Orthodox internationalist Marxist regime with a possible socialist democracy)
4. Revolutionary KMT (The ideal state of the Three Principles of the People)
5. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Intellectuals (A meritocracy of thinkers with some democratic trends)
6. Beiyang Republican Government (Healthy centrist or "bourgeois" democracy, treating minorities fairly)
7. Sichuan People's Government (A quasi-socialist China under Bo Xilai's flawed leadership)
8. Nanjing Government - Military Coup (Orthodox Kuomintang in TNO timeline)
9. National Peacebuilding Corps (A military-dominated democracy, with the strongest military force)
10. Western Soldiers' Soviet (Communism with nationalist and militarist characteristics)
11. Democratic Revolutionary Forces (Democracy, but too pro-American, with a controversial and over-glorified leader Liu Xiaobo)
12. Guangdong Government (A flawed and unequal neoliberalist democracy)
13. Hui Republic (The mixture of Islamic theocracy and socialist grassroot democracy)
14. Hangzhou Municipal Council - Technocrats (Chinese Zhdanov, his successor may be Kardashev)
15. Nanjing Government - Legalist Coup (Chiang Kai-shek's ROC comes back)
16. Fengtian Imperial Government (Great Qing Empire comes back)
17. Nanjing Government - Hardliner Coup (Chiang's ROC without a facade partocracy)
18. State of Anhui (Cruel authoritarianism, conservativism and capitalism)
19. Hubei Mercenaries (A kleptocracy with a yearning for freedom and prosperity)
20. National Unification League (Personality cult and family dictatorship)
21. Shaanxi Soviet Government - Maoist Line (Insane Maoism with an OTL NazBol as its leader)
22. Canton Republic (A new warlordist regime created by a Canton localist)
23. Nanfang Triad (A heaven for criminal organizations and crony capitalism)
24. Shanghai Political Committee (A standard German-style fascist regime)
25. Anti-Warlord Reunification Army (Ultramilitarism, but impractical)
26. Auspicious Temple of Life (A Tibet-style Buddhist theocracy with a strange BGM)
27. Heavenly League (Christian Fundamentalism, expelling the devils)
28. Righteous Way Government (Confucian Fascism, crushing the scoundrels)
29. Northern Provincial Clique (Maybe China's history as a unified country is over)
30. All-China National Brotherhood (Insane Xi Jinping leading an Omsk-style vengeful nation)
31. Falun Gong (Cultism)
32. Zhao's Raiders (Craze!)
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24:37 My man Xuechang got a discord ping while singing with da bois
Great video man good job. In this modern version of TNO 911 and Covid still exist? You should do a similar video about Italy, Europe or the USA in this context.
COVID still exists yes, not sure about 9/11 yet, also, I'll get to them eventually, i'm just going for the Asian countries first
@@sovii2852 Okay so Asia first. I thought that covid is Russian or Japanese ( maybe some experiment gone wrong). And the Twin Towers are still there? If it's true good news. So no War on Terror?
@@felicianobaldi2174 No War on Terror per se because the Cold War itself is still ongoing, but there are still terrorists who are able to roam and carry out their insurgencies in a far wider scale as many countries in this world are very unstable, especially in places like subsaharan Africa
@@sovii2852 Okay thanks and sorry for disturbing you. Congratulation for video, it's awsome. I thought that the channel was deleted by youtube for the content. Why the Syrian video is PEGI 18?
@@felicianobaldi2174 Don't worry and also, thanks. I made the Syria video 18+ because of the last two superevents, i had to make it clear i wasn't glorifying ISIS so yt would not take it down, so i put as many restrictions possible.
KMT Xi is hilarious but completely unsurprising given his background
LMAOOO there's a discord notification at like 15:22 in the background
15:23 Discord Republic?
15:20 Did I just hear Discord ping?
I hear nothing
Qing ending is conflicting...
I like it
I know this won't ever be an actual functioning mod, but what should the ramifications and consequences be for the Japanese if they were to defeat the Chinese?
They'd take China's place as the main Asian power once again; following the Great Asian War Japan became essentially irrelevant, and by having China not only collapse but also invading them and turning them into a puppet state essentially brings them back to relevance in Asian geopolitics. But at the same time there's the human toll Japan would take in such a disastrous war and other world powers would be FAR more hostile towards them.
@@sovii2852 It is no longer feasible to engage in colonialism, and almost no young people in China can farm. If they are defeated and controlled by Japan, then everyone will be an Anarchist. Can't get any colonial gains
Bro this is actually amazing! I'd play a mod just about this China
Oh yeah.
Also, who would you rank the factions to most blessed and most cursed?
@@MrLuigi98 Xu Caihou is the worst warlord,i think.
Although he is not some funni burgsys guy,he's literally returning the feudal system and destroying the Chinese national identity.
11:21 Tiananmen Square Avenged
Also nice callback to how the union workers sung the Internationale during the protests
3:13 Tiananmen Square Good Ending
Great stuff mate, especially the World News pop-ups they look fantastic.
When does this happen in the TNO timeline? How is the situation in China like to lead to a second warlord era?
Let me piece it together:
Modern TNO is within the timeframe of 2012-2022, and China is somewhat stable before the collapse. The Nanjing Government won the Great Asian War and after a 15 year reconstruction period they were able to get back on their feet. They're ruled by Jiang Zemin's Shanghai Clique (With Jiang ruling between 1994-2012 following Gao Zongwu's death and then handing over power to Wu Bangguo) and all things considered, they're very similar to OTL China but with the Kuomintang in charge.
If you take a look at the leader biographies (only if you want to, of course) you'll see that corruption and general incompetence is a massive problem in this China, and the Kuomintang's failure to bring democracy following Gao Zongwu's death made them look illegitimate; even KMT politicians opposed to the Shanghai Clique claim that the Kuomintang failed to live up to their original ideals. (And these KMT politicians go on to establish the Revolutionary KMT in Fujian should Chiang Hsiao-yen's coup fail.)
The rest is explained in the first event; there are strikes, protests, the government wants the military to crack down on them, the military splits, dissidents return to China and call for a revolution, the country falls into a paralysis, people start taking up arms, and then all hell breaks loose.
@@sovii2852 I noticed that some dissidents that escaped from China or arrested because of Spring of Beijing, Tiananmen1989 and other events also appeared in the video, like Liu Xiaobo, Wei Jingsheng and maybe also Guo Wengui. So did the government of China in modern TNO supress the movements for democracy, like OTL? Did Cultural Revolution, Spring of Beijing, Tiananmen1989 and many other events also happened here?
@@sovii2852 are they primed to collapse, or can the kmt pull off a dentist go4
@@sovii2852 Why china doesnt have xinjang though?
@@qacheaksr3800 Sorry for the late response! I was actually hoping someone would ask this very question. There was a democracy movement around the same time as OTL, but things went a little different.
After the Great Asian War, China entered a reconstruction phase to recover from the conflict, and plans to restore democracy were put on hold. This was a controversial move and there were some protests against it. The Democracy Wall Movement happened in this timeline, which is where Wei Jingsheng began his activism, but it was on a very small scale to have that much of an impact and only a few individuals (including Wei) were punished for it.
By the mid 1980s, the KMT begins to relax some of its' restrictions of public meetings. This lead to the emergence of the second democracy movement. They appear in small-scale demonstrations at first, but they peak in 1988 following the death of Tao Xisheng, an important member of Gao's inner circle who had tried to push for democratization.
Now, this is the point where things get serious for the KMT. Gao wanted to push for democratization, but by that point he had kicked the issue so far down the road that a good portion of the KMT was against democratization. Not to mention that Tao's death meant Gao had lost a major ally who was sympathetic to democracy, and he was practically alone.
Back to the democracy movement, they will peak between 1988-1992, but they will fail to make any meaningful change because of internal squabbles between students and workers. The workers want to push for social reforms, but the students only cared about democratization and they saw the trade unionists with suspicion. This eventually leads to the trade unions abandoning the movement and the student organizations begin to rapidly decline. By the time the government finally cracks down on them in 1994, these organizations are so small and fragile that it goes mostly unnoticed in China and the world.
As for the government, Gao's health deterriorated during the crisis due to his age. Without Gao, the KMT had split in half between those who were favorable to democracy and those who were not, this divide was bridged by Jiang Zemin's Shanghai Clique, who took a neutral stance during the crisis. The Clique grew and became so influential that when Gao finally died, Jiang took power, and the rest is history.
So to sum it up, there was a democracy movement that shook the entire country, but they failed due to internal issues. The conservative faction of the KMT won out and repressed these movements, but not on the same scale as the CCP did in OTL, so there were no "incidents" and such.
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Based and Chromepilled
5:49 the best :) 🇹🇼
I’m a Chiang Wan-an fan irl tbh.
Man.. I don’t know you, but I would fight for the National Peacebuilding Forces
Sure they aren't bad but they aren't gamer either so idk,the Christian Chinese state sounds better.
@@mojewjewjew4420 well, yes, but the Christian Faction is basically a Christian Chinese version of the Taliban.
@@matthewssilva4781 Of coursh.
Have you thought of making a ranking list of the most blessed and most cursed factions of this video?
@@MrLuigi98 maybe
but he isn’t bad like Zhao’s brutal fiefdom and Xi Jinping’s Ultranat hellhole
姨学狂喜
刘仲敬：怎么能没有我大蜀民国......
姨学是啥？
31 minutes of superevents
0:27 I feel as though, somewhere in China, there is a 'X days without national crisis' sign hung in a daoist temple thats been around since the Spring & Autumn Period with how often this shit happens.
This is a work of art
Its literally amazing...
Great work, TY very much
What happens to nationalists/communists/democrats when the Chongqing Conference fails? What prevents the formation of a state, like the OTL KMT in the warlord era from having national aspirations and reunifying China through a second northern expedition?
They collapse into factionalism and are split between different groups. When the United Front is formed, all three of them absorb different political movements that don't necessarily align with their mainstream ideology but are sympathetic to their goals. The Democrats have Progressives and Market Liberals in their ranks, the KMT has Neocons and proto-Fascists, and the Communists have to deal with Reformists, Pro-Moscow Communists, Maoists and even some ultranationalists. So if the Conference fails, these movements collapse and its' members are scattered into regional warlord governments. That doesn't mean there wouldn't be a KMT warlord or two, but they would be so crippled that it would take a few years for them to prepare another Northern Expedition.
18:47,the best ending I think
这个结局的领导人名字叫啥呀?
@@user-kq8dv8od3v 李民骐，但就怪了，这个人找不到任何资料
@@lingyukeaidenie 谢谢
I guess the Western Soldiers' Soviets and the National Peacebuilding Corps is so rigidly coordinated that it didn't fragment
25:44 the super event you all are waiting for, The Murderous Warlord raiding all of China and making Burgundy piss it’s pants, and also forming an alliance with Jaba Ioseliani and The Pirates from Korea!
Burgundy collapsed in 1981, Zhukov reunited Russia, and which pirate from Korea?
Talking if Zhihong (Warlordic Zhao’s Domain) and Ki-Chul (Thalassocrat Chongjin Pirates from Korean Collapse’s) was alive during Asian occupation of Imperial Japan, those two would form an alliance and horrify Japan so bad they withdrawn troops from China and Korea. Alliance contacts Ioseliani to join said alliance and reform Sino-Russo-Korean alliance and conquer Mongolia, making Burgundy and Germany consider them “too extremist.”
ghost of Genghis Khan just shed a tear
Chinese Dirlewanger Moment
Ki-chul got control of seas making Somalian pirates just run away, Zhao riding into the Kazakhs and enslaving most Muslim minorities and Ioseliani ready to raid former Eastern Bloc countries.
3:25 that song version transition was simply awesome
24:46 nahhh that goofy ahh robloxesque sound effect ☠️
Anyway this video is pretty well made, good job!
Great Video!
Though I must say, a part of me is disappointed for a lack of a NatSoc path as Chiang Kai Sheks son was a Wehrmacht soldier for some time, as well as the Chinese Blueshirts being more interesting as fascists since they subscribed to the economics of georgism rather than traditional corporatism.
With that being said, great work!
Ty! I'm going to remake this video sometime in the future hopefully, so i may add a faction like that
My favorite one 22:29 Progress first!!!
14:06 That Political Pie Chart has Foreshadowing to it
其实我一直很喜欢 13:51 的这个上海宁的设计，很有创意和想法。
远东希姆莱是吧😊
@@l2qz711 他那个其实是标准的希特勒
Oh! Thumbnail has changed! :D