For whatever it's worth Chato, the vast majority of us value your unique experience having spent years as a network executive. Children just throw tantrums when they don't get their way, you can't avoid it, better to just ignore it.
@@SheonEver I think he means manchilds (menchildren?), there is a surprising amount of them that are fans of modern Disney. I may be wrong though, no answer for 8 days.
You nailed it. The only people willing to watch Disney Star Wars at this point are the one who will watch ANYTHING branded Stsr Wars. Every fandom has that hollow, bottom tier. The problem for Disney is they've spent a couple of billion dollars to serve what is ultimately a few million (unpleasant, but dedicated) people.
@@primmakinsofis614 It was weird seeing "Serenity" in theaters without ever having seen "Firefly". For me, "Serenity" was "Battle Beyond the Stars" with less exposition and the same budget. I don't really look down on "Firefly" fans, I just realize they REALLY like what they like because Buffy has a dedicated fandom too. Whedon is like disco. He had a major influence on EVERYTHING for a little while. The problem is that his worst excesses still infect many movies and shows to this day.
@@primmakinsofis614fuck you sir, Firefly is actually good, they got screwed by marketing an episode zero they aired last due to executives and a shitty time slot. Honestly Ahsoka is not nearly as terrible as BoBF or Kenobi, but they really could have used a better pilot episode and better progression, and I'd still not argue it advances beyond the mediocre standard D+ should have insisted the Sequels and other series meet to simply exist but it is at least not defamatory of the rest of the IP.
I saw both as well. Clone Wars even brought a tear to my eye. But since TLJ and BoBF, I called it quits. All of it is a predictable girl boss mess. I love Star Wars, that is why I was willing to set it free. Free for the 5 million or so ape-brains that remain in the fandom to enjoy.
That's okay, Ahsoka hates its own fans. Why else saddle them all with a boring story that creeps along at a snail's pace with hollow, poorly written characters whose actors exude all the charisma of a walnut
"A boring story that creeps along at a snails pace with hollow poorly written characters whose actors exude all the charisma of a walnut". Ok but enough about The Phantom Menace. Let's talk about Ahsoka.
@@vaporwave4880 No, any piece of Disney Star Wars makes The Phantom Menace look like a perfect movie... None of the Prequel films were remotely as bad as ANY piece of Disney Wars. Yes, I include Rogue One in the Disney Wars blandness, too. At the end of that film, I didn't care for ANY of the human characters and felt the whole exercise was unnecessary. R1 does NOT hold up with repeated viewings and it violates the original Star Wars continuity. The EU had a perfectly serviceable storyline and game (Dark Forces) that explained the basic plotline of R1 better than that feature film did! I've NEVER heard anyone with a clue say "Jinn Erso was a better, more sympathetic character than Kyle Katarn!"
Look, when you only have 8 episodes to tell a story, then none of that time can be wasted on filler. Everything needs to serve the plot, and now. You can’t wait for the good ones. Every single episode must be a good one.
I wish they’d make tv shows self contained stories again. Star Trek, space 1999, Columbo: all self contained stories. You can have an over arching goal that spans a season, but tighter writing is better writing.
Even having watched The Clone Wars, and being familiar with the characters and events, I felt the same way. The story telling was short-sighted, at best. NO background about the main characters and main objective of the story. Filoni's direction: Everyone! Just act as "stoic" as you possibly can. I'll be moving the camera around so you guys don't have to emote or move at all so that you stay inside, "The Volume".....and ...MEMBERBERRIES.....ANNNNND..........ACTION ! Kinda disappointing TBH.
This guy's does this on every show. It's his career. There are a ton of people that hated ashoka before it even came out because they make money by hate reviewing everything. Ashoka is amazing so far but I've seen the previous series so I have context. This guy's opinion is from an executive perspective. Fine. Executive perspective was why the sequel movies happened. Filoni is trusted by the fans. And he's doing great.
@@D4tification _Ashoka is amazing so far_ If by amazing you mean terrible, with awful dialogue, ridiculously dumb action sequences, and wooden acting, then yes!
@@rbu2136 Was one of the "usual Disney shills" hanging out with those dorks? I can't even remember that guy's name. Usually I remember the names of ANNOYING, OBNOXIOUS people but he was so bland I forgot the idiot's name! 😂
I'm not convinced they do. You know how they say AI isn't good at humor or sarcasm... I got one of these fans into a discussion about the average size of orange woman per country and it never seemed to catch on, even after others started piling on.
Now, THIS is hat I hate. Teachers are the cornerstone of society, they need to be respected, their knowledge and will to still (even in the face of these times) keep building the future is important.
@@ChiyoTachi Elaborate? Is this "him beating Anakin" in the room with us right now? Edit: I mean don't get me wrong, I find Hera insufferable in this series and Sabine is... a 30 year old teenager? But your Anakin comment is dangerouly close to schizophrenia
I heard a great line in Murder she Wrote the other day “ it doesn’t matter if Hollywood produces the show . What’s important is that they buy the script”
Always a pleasure to listen to you inform us of the executive's perspective. Also love the gag at the end. Happy to send you some cloths if you have a P.O. box!
this is true. but the executives knew about that and greenlit his ass anyway... same with brian singer. hes not wrong at all my girl is infuriated i made her watch it. But I went of marketing and they said you wouldnt need context, again executive desicion not filmmaker decision.@@StarGeezerTim
Disney did the same thing to Marvel. Putting up so many shows to tie into shows and movies. I think there's still a belief that you can stamp 'Star Wars', or 'Avengers' on anything and make a billion. One of the reasons people have a favorite is because it's great and they rarely get it, too much availability degrades value.
The defenders of Disney Star Wars (or any case really where people defend shit) do think like that, that you just stamp a brand on it and therefore must like it. It's an issue with any franchise that isn't consistently good or outright just kept getting worse. (I've seen it a lot with Jurassic Park.)
@@beerosaurusrex I read the JP novel before I even knew there was going to be a movie. I really loved the book, the movies seem like such a dart throw. I'm not against them I just don't really know what I should and shouldn't watch, or even an order if there's a cohesive one.
So far watching Ahsoka has been like eating unseasoned leftover soup, it's better than drinking dishwater (sequel trilogy) and it'll go down when there's nothing else to have, but it's no great gourmet experience either.
These people are desperate for anything remotely close to real star wars. They live on a such a level of hopioum that they've lost most objectivity. I argue with them all the time when I point out the awful writing, acting, action, and story. This was just more member berries and people fell for it. It's honestly sad. Star wars is dead, and ANAKIN being back for no freaking reason changes nothing.
It actually wasn't a terrible reason, it was his ghost just like in episode 6, and he was visiting his apprentice as she was dying to teach her a final lesson.
Once again it really is Disney's fault. Ashoka is one of the most adored characters by more than a few younger Star Wars fans. These are kids who grew up watching The Clone Wars. They love Ahsoka as much as we loved Han. It would take more than a single badly produced TV show for them to give on their hero. Its Disney and KK who didn't respect that. I hope with all my heart that the future will bring healing to Star Wars, but I think its going to need to be shelved in entirety for 30 years, perhaps in a time capsule left for a future generation. The children of the 2077 perhaps will get a new Star Wars that can hold a flame to the original, in whatever medium its presented in. Probably direct neural VR by that point....
You're doing fine. There's a strange generation gap. I'm happy you're here to talk to us (I'm about half a lifetime younger than you). I'm glad we're interested in the same things. Agree or disagree with your stated opinions, I'm so thankful to your adherence to the tenets of our shared language and your choice to express yourself in written speech before recording the video. ❤🔥
It's not a generation gap, it's ego-centrism dialed up to 11. These so-called fans only care about movies/series that shout out "The Message" because that destroys previous movies/series and that's all they want. There aren't any creators in Hollyweird anymore, as many have been replaced by people whose only goal in life seems to be to destroy all that came before.
These shows exist purely on the fact 7 reddit dupes cried about in on social media, more on reddit. I can't understand why movie producers and game developers fear the reddit ranthive to the point they cave in to their wishes and we end up with half baked products like Ahsoka for example. Keep up the good work Mr. Chato.
As a fellow old fart (almost 52) let me just say you are not wrong. I had plenty of time in 2020 and 2021 for some reason and I watched the animated shows. I don’t see how the average fan could follow along without doing so. I am enjoying it despite its flaws, the slow walking, overly long gazes and arm folding etc. But rest assured I don’t hate you my fellow geezer. Keep up the great work and keep the laughs coming. 🖖✌️
It's not a matter age. It is matter of the nature of the show. Ahsoka's story began in 2008, and it is still unfolding. The streaming program is brand new, but the character's tale is 15 years old and unfinished. If Star Was was like the soap opera, All My Children, then Ahsoka would be akin to Erica Kane. (Susan Lucci's character)
@@HighHeelKnight my parents used to tape All My Children every day on our VCR lol. We had to watch it on our only tv at dinner time. Erica was a smoke show as I remember 😉😎
@@adamvangesen9166 That wonderful. I tried to think of a reference that would be well known for our generation. One of those programs that everybody was aware of, even if they didn't watch it. By the way, I have seen Susan Lucci in person. She was gorgeous.
I guess when it comes to Ahsoka fans -- it's more of a case of them banging their heads onto the wall of "this show is boring" for the purpose of convincing themselves that it's not boring. At the end of the day, Ahsoka fans wind up in a delusional state because of the head banging and Ahsoka remains as it is -- boring. And agreed -- the first Star Wars, Alien, etc stood without any prior context because of the quality of the script writing, cinematography, acting, etc. BTW, I just love how those lights pulse in coordination with your voice inflections. Way too cool...
Again, thank you for keeping the critique and response to critique limited to elements of writing, storytelling and just enough snark to make me almost put some coffee on my keyboard. Content like this helps (hopefully) to push audiences to demand better storytelling or at the least, creators that dont look at their audience like children.
Agreed Chato. It's a real problem when everyone is talking about how much of a threat Thrawn is but there's nothing even in the mando verse that shows why it would be bad for him to return... Only fans who read the books or saw Rebels would know why Thrawn's return would be bad.
I 100 percent agree with you. The major problem with Ahsoka is that there is no "on-boarding" for people who haven't previously watched Ahsoka. Also for people who haven't read the Thrawn books. I have done neither. I watched Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, Rogue 1, and Han Solo. So I'm grounded in basic Star Wars. Let me give you my description of about the first 10 minutes. A captain recieves a signal from some people claiming to be Jedi. He doesn't believe they're Jedi. He lets them on his ship anyway. They aren't Jedi, but they do have light sabers ergo they are Sith. The F crap up and kill people and I have no idea why. And people who have never seen Star Wars before don't even know they're Sith so they're already really lost. Ahsoka, Anikin's padawan (because I have enough Star Wars lore to know that) does an incredibly boring Indiana Jones impression. It's not the actress's fault, it's the director's/writer's. There's lots of slowly turning boring looking pillars. She eventually gets a thing. She gets attacked by droids. I don't know why. the droids then blow themselves up stupidly. The explosion is way bigger than it seems like it should be. I am irritated at the fake attempt to build tension after the extremely boring pillar twisting. Ahsoka talks to a green twylek who is played by an actress only skilled enough for Disney teen shows. Maybe they're saying something important. I heard "Blah blah blabity blah." I still have no clue what they are doing or why. And I just realized I forgot to mention Ahsoka's scene with a droid professing eternal friendship because it was that boring. Cut to some random planet. A governor is giving some speech and he cuts to his general who helped him win the rebellion. She's not there. He tells people to find her. Cut to the "general" who stole a speeder and is joy riding because she wants to . She's getting the spoiled rich princess cut except it makes ZERO sense for a general. If she were a real general and didn't want to give a speech she'd have turned down the occasion, and not irresponsibly snuck away from her duties. Or she'd have given the speech because it's her duty. I immediately HATE her for being irresponsible and careless. I know I'm supposed to think she's a cool rebel, but that WORKS for spoiled princesses because they often have no real control of their lives. A GENERAL does. And a GENERAL has things that they should voluntarily be doing because they chose to become a general. At the very least, I expect a general to care about their men, not run away from them. or care about their country, not run away from it, or care about something larger than themselves which causes them to do their duty. So hating the b*tch on the speeder with a deep and implacable hatred for shirking her responsibilities. Speeder chase stuff happens that's supposed to look cool, but because I have no emotional investment in it and think the whole set up is dumb, it just irritates the crap out of me. Cut to the Sith freeing some random woman on the ship. Dialogue is "Blah, blah, blabity blah. Map blah." Yeah, there's something about a map. I do not care because I don't know who these people are or what their motivation is or even what their feelings towards each other are. They're card board cutouts going through the motions of a story. Little girl goes running off somewhere. Cut back to the general listening to an old message from her dead brother. And I think there was a cute fake animal in this scene. Doesn't matter. Still hate the b*tch. And not in a fun way. And so I do not care about her dead brother. She thoughtlessly abandoned her people and I'm mad at the attempt to make me feel some kind of sympathy for her. It's not the find kind of mad I felt for Seska in Star Trek: Voyager. It's the "This is deeply irritating" kind. Oh, yeah, and her acting is on par with the green twylek's so I've really got nothing to work with her. And I turn off the incomprehensible mess. There was no on-boarding done for non-fans or casual fans. And if you don't want to make an effort and give me a reason to get invested in your show., if it is entirely not for me. That's fine. But I'm not going to watch it. Ahsoka had awful writing and mediocre acting. I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
Having watched the “homework” shows long before the current show existed, its so much worse. The animated version of the green Twi’Lek, Hera has a MUCH bigger acting range in animation than this show even tries to give her. She’s also more careless and pushy than her animated counterpart was capable of. Sabine, the “speeder-stealing general” you mentioned, was one one the fighters that liberated that planet along with Hera, Ezra (who they try to find later), and many others that really should have been in the show, considering what it’s about. The exact situation in the show is a bad mixture of things Sabine might have done as a teenager and the idea of two general reactions she might have had as an adult. As a teenager, she might well have gotten dragged to such a ceremony by Hera and the rest of her group and decided to bail, because the ceremony was honoring her group, including a man that was basically a father figure to her and a friend that was basically her boyfriend (ignore what the current show tries to say later; that’s BS). Understandably, she’s hurting in that situation and not wanting to be there. As an adult, she would have either thrown herself into working to protect Lothel (the planet) so the sacrifices of those she lost weren’t in vain, and thus would have been at the ceremony no matter how uncomfortable she was, or she would have retreated into herself and thus avoided people in general. What’s in the show makes no sense for her.
@@John-fk2ky If the general were a kid being dragged to something, the speeder stealing would have been fine. A bit boring and predictable, but fine. Kids do stupid things. Kids forced to do things they don't want to rebel. As an adult GENERAL, I expect her either to be working because that's her chosen job and responsibility, or to just use her words and say "No, I'm not doing that." Because she's an adult and no one can make her, but she shouldn't tell them she will do it and then bail on them. I don't really have an impression of the Twylek other than she was boring and badly acted. I don't even know why Ahsoka was talking with her as nothing they said seemed to progress the plot or build character. Which even if this were only for people who already knew the characters, I'd expect one of those two things, or possibly both. I was expecting info and I got babble instead.
That was fantastic and spot on. I would read your recaps if you wanted to write them, but then I guess you would have to watch the show, and I really don't want you (or anybody, really) to struggle through it. Oh, in regards to the Twi'lek general being so irresponsible, there's a scene later in episode 4 when her son (who's very much human for some reason, despite being half Twi'lek, but he just has green hair (?!)) questions her about him having to do what he's told while she doesn't and her reply is simply "When you're a general, you can disobey orders too."
@@allluckyseven Thank you. But no, I'm not sitting through that boring mess. Also, they call the Twylek a general, but she wasn't the irresponsible one. It was the Asian? actress. I think she's supposed to become Ahsoka's padawan if I understand the advertising correctly.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that rolls their eyes when I hear Millennial, Gen z'ers and x'ers end every sentence with a question mark. I laughed so hard when you did your parody! And as for being older myself and one who is supposed to assume the fetal position when called a " boomer", ( oh, horror!) I consider that a high compliment. ( when I was a child, I thought I knew everything, too)
I had enough of their content and cancelled my subscription to Disney+ and now come to channels like yours to see what I might be missing about this show, and the answer is..... NOTHING! Thank you for your honest input!
My first Windows computer came with a PC game called G-Nome. It was similar to Mech Warrior. I was so taken by it I wrote a Sci fi novel based upon it. Some insights on the experience: a) PC games are shallow. Adding depth to the characters is a challenge b) Be as faithful to the base material as possible. I actually acted out the battle scenes on the game. Which meant that I did not simply win, I won in a manner consistent with the story. An example being where my main character wins the fight but spares the life of his opponent. c) Being as faithful to the base usually gains the approval of the fan base. The challenge then becomes the story must stand in its own. Those who never heard of the game should be able to read it and enjoy the story on its own merit
A big reason Ahsoka is so popular is because of her personality. And she has none of that personality in this series. She's like a different character. And, yes, before people say it, I can understand her getting wiser and calmer with age, but she's lost her personality *entirely.* There should still be a spark of her old self in there. (I don't blame Rosario Dawson for this. She's just playing the role as instructed. I blame Filoni. He doesn't know why his own character was popular.)
Shes exactly the same as she was in mando. She's had more than 20 years running from the empire and failing to put her monster of a master back into the ground. She was never going to be clone wars ahsoka
@@reggiefreeborn2143 You are exceptionally unobservant. She’s is not only not as stoic in the Mandalorian, which, like the current show, is set well after being chased by the Empire, we’ve also seen her when she’s being actively hunted by Darth Vader and his underlings in Rebels, where she is obviously different from her Clone Wars portrayal but still has plenty of personality. Had season 5 of the Clone Wars’s not happened and had Order 66 not happened, Ahsoka at the same age she was in Rebels would have been happier than her canon counterpart, but she would not have been drastically different in terms of basic character interactions. The version of Ahsoka we see in the show named for her is NOTHING like that. There’s no logical reason for her to lose all personality when that DIDN’T happen when the worst times of her life occurred, and nothing comparable has happened since those events to inflict enough trauma. If anything, she should be freer than she was in Rebels because most of the reasons for pain and stress are gone. Luke’s working to rebuild the Order (ignore the stupidity of the sequel trilogy for a moment), the Empire is nearly gone, and she hasn’t lost anyone else close to her. She could be worried that this could all come crashing down with the return of Thrawn, but that would require a greater range of acting than the current show has presented us with.
@@reggiefreeborn2143 And I said in my comment that I don't expect her to *be* Clone Wars Ahsoka. But surely there was a middle ground that didn't involve erasing her personality completely.
@@John-fk2kyyou're mentioning Rebels Ahsoka who was more closed off, but you're forgetting at the end when she confronts Darth Vader, almost dies, and is stuck on Malachor for atleast 5 years. She has only gone worse since
I don't think that there is much to "find" in Ahsoka let alone getting lost. I can understand Rebels fanboys getting excited along the lines of "there's that character or thing I recognize" but that's about it. Objectively, you can write a short paragraph explaining everything important that has happened in Ahsoka in 5 episodes. That's not good.
I'm about your age Chato, so I'm firmly in Old Fart territory myself. Yes, I saw all of the original trilogy in theaters. Opening day for ESB and RotJ. To be fair, I did moderately enjoy Episode 5 of Ahsoka. I also thought most of what came before it in 1-4 wasn't simply cardboard performances, but wet cardboard at at that. I'm hoping maybe they wrote the dialog like that to show the difference between the so-called "Grey" and "White" versions of Ahsoka after her encounter with her old Master, and that going forward she'll have far less of a stick up her backside with her portrayal. We shall see.
Chato, as a 62 year-old film tech that also happens to reside in your city, I can say that you are totally spot on with your analysis about what the film and tv industry has become, and it is indeed disturbing. This is why now with my age and experience I will only work on shows that do not reflect "current day" themes and woke connotations because of my ability to be hired based on my skills and NOT my identity politics. There are few and far between opportunities for this premise in the present day, but they still do exist. I have three more years before I retire, and if the wokeness suddenly becomes unfashionable I will perhaps reconsider my future plans of retirement . Film making is an art that I absolutely love, but all this SJW crap has me reeling in anger and disappointment. These naive young minds have been poisoned by a well orchestrated financial machine to confuse them into believing that they are in control of the social direction of pop culture, but they are totally oblivious as to how they are being surreptitiously manipulated by the elite power base of unelected Globalists. Keep up the great work, you lovable old fart. Bravo to you for telling it like it is.
Your insight into how a show can be genuinely better for all as opposed to how it can not be that is something not many other critics in this field have. Chato gets the slow and steady approach to building something grand and how it's better to just do what is the best option instead of being petulant just because you can. You fit in like a glove on the drinker last week.
awesome response Paul!!! People are starving for good content and most of the time they settle for a simulacrum of what used to be good and fun...they are addicts that recieved a less potent drug but a drug nonetheless...they feel good while watching the show so the show must be good (cause feelings > Knowledge for them) and if you think differently then you are the ennemy of their good feelings...
Comprehension does seem to be something that has gone away these days. I think it comes from the TL;DR crowd, as they will typically read the title of an article, but won't bother to read any of it before puking forth their vitriol with no information. I always find it to be a weird dichotomy that someone would spend the effort to type out a 400 word dissertation on their opinions while still being too lazy to actually read the article they're bitching about. The problem with most modern adaptations is they're trying desperately to please everyone rather than pleasing the fans first, then bringing new viewers along for the ride. I think One Piece achieved it's success by first answering three important questions. 1. How do we write the story in such a way to thoroughly please the existing fans without leaving the possibility of new fans on the table? 2. How can we write so that new fans can enjoy the story without having ever seen the anime, or read the Manga? 3. Is this even worth doing if it can't be done without destroying the canon, and established story? They wrote One Piece as it's own story while using the sources as blue prints for what needed to be presented. They actually cared about having recognizable characters with their personalities, and idiosyncrasies in tact. Lastly, they added enough new content so that when comparing the other two sources to the live action it would be something fresh, but within the scope of the original source material so it wasn't a direct, beat for beat copy/clone.
Just as an aside I watched "Chato's Land" recently and was sadly disappointed you were not the star. Also I've watched the "Clone Wars" and "Ahsoka" still sucks.
I honestly can't remember the last time something was made for the fans, they don't really worry about the fans, they always end up making it in a way that can be accessable to the everyday person and if that means dumbing down the plot or characters and changing plots they'll do it
Being subjected to the “vitriol” by Ahsuka fans must feel like being pummelled with candy floss, Sir. 😄 A quick shower to wash off the stupid. Every snowflake is unique, until they melt.
Hi, as a fan of Star Wars, as the first movie was originally called, I can completely agree with everything you say. I saw it as a 12 year old, so I can say I am also an old fart. I watched Rebels and really enjoyed it. I thought it was well done and the characters were well written enough. Now, AssHoleka comes along. I thought I'd enjoy it, but it only took the hologram scene for me to nearly switch off. However when Sabine was stabbed through the chest with a light sabre and shrugged it off as pretty much nothing then that was the last straw! What has happened to these characters? The whole show is a nothingburger to me sadly, and the rumours of what may come make me shudder.
You don't want their "love". If they saw Clone Wars or even the Rebel series, they would feel cheating by the live-action show. You have taken the correct position here.
They have gotten mostly every character from TCW/Rebels wrong in this series, how about SOME NEW BLOOD IN SW instead of rehashing previous characters. Luke rebuilding the Jedi order with Baby Yoda and Jacen Syndulla as his first 2 students, traveling finding other Force sensitives would be vastly superior with subplot of Baylan/Thrawn. The New Republic
I watched Clone Wars, read the Rebels introductory novel, watched Rebels, and liked all of it. Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars character along with Kenobi and Luke. And yet I have no interest seeing Filoni using Ahsoka, the character, to remake Lucas’ Star Wars in his own Disney-approved image.
You along with other reviewers I respect have called the series crap. Any way nothing to worry about the hating mob they don’t know how to construct or use a torch and have no idea what a pitchfork is. Keep up the good work.
I have watched the clone wars and i liked it ( story wise and draw wise). I also saw the rebels ( which i sort of kind of liked...)plus that plot and story was better than what came out of most of dish-knee-ed star wars in that time period) and i saw most of the other series from diss-NIE star wars like: Mandalorian --meh, Andor ( i am biased i liked a lot of the actors in it) better, obi wan -bad didn't watch ( except for the first episode 10 minutes in and i turned it off), bobber phat ( my name for that serie trying to make a show about bobba fett) and as the name i gave suggests... The ash-oh-kuh serie, which i didn't watch but took snippets out from other reviewers, seems to be something like a mix of rehash live action rebels than something else. But hey that is what you get when you have Dave Fellon-ie at the helm. As to people who call people "old" well.. Sir Christopher Lee made 2 heavy metal albums in his 90s and has been one of the great actors who played all kinds of roles up to his last journey. Here you have a professional in the field who has given you a script on HOW TO MAKE GOOD MOVIES and SERIES, instead of going "oh he is old" listen to the advice he is giving instead of being stiffnecked hardhearing humming hobos of corpotown inc. But then writing a kickass script, being true to lore, wanting to make such a great product people will buy and/or watch your serie/movie /whatever is overshadowed by "the message" and other PC /alphabett mafia malarkey. Great video sir.
There was at least 45 minutes of dead time in eps 1 and 2 in which to do a metric fk-tonne of introduction and world-building. Like, ooh, I dunno, A New Hope levels of worldbuilding.
I have watched all the Clone Wars and Rebels, and have found Asoka tolerable to watch, some episodes were even enjoyable, but Chato is right. The show would be confusing without prior knowledge of these shows.
As a fan of Rebels who was excited with the announcement of Ahsoka... You are quite right. It has shown every concern I had and then some, leaving me with little desire to engage with it at all. And I am a "fan" of the animated universe. I feel like Filoni was the golden child with the animated stuff and his big hit with Mando S1, but everything seems to provide diminishing returns. Maybe he believes his own hype. Maybe DPlus requires shows to all feel the same and have the same boring pacing. Who knows the answer. I know that I do not get excited about anything on that platform anymore because of examples like this.
If you added them all up, the cumulative IQ points of all ahsoka "fans" would tally up to just about "light jacket weather" on an early Spring day. They're about as bright as this series.
I recently started a re-watch of the original trilogy and my thought was oh, how far we have fallen. And it is hard to reconcile space whales, space zombies, space witches, space? time travel etc... with Star Wars. Clone Wars and Rebels to a lesser degree were fine for what they where, but it seemed to get to be more fan fictiony as time went on.
The EU had a good chunk of that (what is so weird about space witches when Star Wars has Space Wizards as its heroes?). To me, the bigger problem is what is done with those elements you mentioned, and lately Disney has been making some strange choices in terms of storytelling.
I didn't watch any of the cartoons, so the only thing I have been able to learn from the show is that Ahsoka and Sabine are former lesbian lovers looking someone who was a part of their love triangle.
The problem is there are too many people that don't want to hear your opinion, nor are they capable of appreciating your unique individual perspective. They simply want to hear their opinion coming from your mouth, and anything short of that offends them.
Considering that the show moved really slowly for the first few episodes, I think they could have used some of the time to try and fill in some of the knowledge gaps for people who haven't seen everything. There's plenty of people who never knew Anakin Skywalker had a padawan during the Clone Wars, and they're making a show with her as the title character? Granted, they would have had to be really careful to inform the new viewers without boring the fans of Clone Wars and Rebels, but that's why you hire the best, and Dave Filoni has been in the Star Wars universe long enough, and has been much more popular with fans than most of the other people involved in Disney Star Wars, that he'd be the top name to do this show right. They're certainly not doing everything the way I would want, but I'm still enjoying the show. I would have made Ahsoka a warmer character, I wouldn't have made Sabine try to become a Jedi, and I would have had Jacen starting his training with Ahsoka as his Master instead. Also, I never really understood the need to type out insults to people who have a different opinion to you on the internet. First of all, enjoying or not enjoying a show is subjective. Second of all, if they make a show that has strongly recommended that you should watch certain content to enjoy it the most, is it really so surprising that someone who hasn't seen that recommended content didn't enjoy it? Most importantly, if you want to live in a bubble where everyone agrees with you about everything, maybe the internet isn't for you?
Thank you for the 'inside scoop' and the viewing of how TV works internally, Paul. Yours is valuable insight that few normies have access to. We appreciate your efforts to educate AND entertain, you have again been successful! Keep up the great work and we'll keep showing up!
I guess the clone wars animation fans would love ahsoka, i never watched the animations so i found the live action show extremely boring and incoherent. I'm pretty sure it's the same for most people.
Couldn't agree more. Love the Polynesian bar. 😂 All these _Star Wars_ shows feel like someone at Lucasfilm dumped a bucket of action figures on the floor and just said "Ta-da!" with jazz hands.
You know the haters are a idiots and haters when they call old fart a person who isn't even 71 years old. And even if Ahsoka is succesful (spoiler it won't) That don't make your opinion less true or the show least sucky. Also insecure haters remember, you can love bad shows and be happy, is like eating Fast food, you know it's not good but some of use really love those extra carbs.
How is Star Wars on Disney+ even doing nowadays? From what I heard Mando 3 was close to be Disney+‘s 8th season of game of thrones and all the rest did even worse. I don’t really see Ahsoka saving anything here or even getting a second season. If The Acolyte isn’t a hit phenomenon, we may very well see the last months of Star Wars series unfolding in front of us.
I've watched the show. I find the irregular run times irritating, but have been told I'm a compulsive. The series needs a trim. too much walking and staring. And not enough Chopper! (Singapore Sling, Please)
@@OxxotrOxxotro Good for you, I respect your opinion. But Disney Star Wars isn't that good anymore. Ashoka was boring, I saw Clone Wars and Rebels...I love Star Wars. They're nothing to complain about because there was nothing there in the first place.
At the end of the fifth episode my jaw literally dropped from the utterly incomprehensible levels of stupidity of the writing... SPACE WHALES? REALLY? Are you serious?!? XD There just happened to be a pack of space whales for which traveling between galaxies is apparently somewhat of a formality it seems... :D DAFUQ
Love the Tiki bar. Do you have a tiki bar playlist? 🎵 "On a coconut island I'd love to be a castaway with you."🎵 When Clone Wars came out it seemed popular, especially in animation, to introduce something early that seemed stupid, bore you with it, then at the end there's a payoff where it's needed and we are supposed to think they were just being clever all this time. That's Ahsoka. When the series was over I was surprised how people that finished the series were talking about her being their favorite Star Wars character. The problem is I hated her at the start and stopped watching. Most shows that did that only made you suffer til the end of on episode to get the payoff. Filoni would go several seasons. Every episode needs to count. The payoff is probably not worth it and if it spans episodes it could even be cut. It's a stupid way to do things.
“Missed opportunity” and “lost potential” are the defining themes of all things Star Wars … since the credits rolled on Return of the Jedi in 1983. I’m not salty about it. George gave us a wonderful universe, and iconic, eternal characters. And it was awesome for a little while.
I've watched clonewars and rebels and I've found them charming, yeah they were for kids but I mostly enjoyed the experience, they were not boring and had likable characters. The live-action Ahsoka is... "ok" at best. While it should have been amazing. They had the lore established, they had weird and cool characters, and what they did seems similar to serving us fat Thor after Stormbreaker Thor and expecting us to like that. This time it's not that severe, but still... even though it's not that severe it seems like it lingers longer and longer. They are mourning people they lost and the lives they could have had and are stoic and cold now. Why did Sabine not pay honors to her friends at the beginning of the show? Where is Zeb? Where is Kallus? Why does Sabine only equip herself with a lightsabre before the fight where she gets pierced through if she knows she isn't fully trained and proficient with it? She isn't stupid, don't make her stupid. Also, the grey Ahsoka turning into the white Ahsoka thing... come on... I know Dave compared her to Gandalf but let's not be this literal...
It took them 5 episodes to get to the end of Rebels with Ahsoka the White. Just filler, that fails to fill in the audience to the cartoons, not to mention space battles where a lightsaber cuts a ship in half, yes, somehow it was close enough for Ahsoka to do that, and somehow the light saber was long enough for that, even though her sabers are even shorter than most, and didn't knock her off the ship or rip her arm off. Sure!
I agree with you wholeheartedly on Arcane. I think it’s an age thing. you gotta be in your 20s or younger for it to work for you. Too much angst. Angst is for kids. Millennials and Zoomers are all about angst. They give it way too much credibility as a literary device. That might be manga’s fault.
I'd like to post my powerful defense of Ahsoka here...if I had one. It's better than Secret Invasion. That I slept through most of episode two and gave up on the show. With Ahsoka, on the other hand, I only nod-off briefly each episode AND I have learned how to stand around, cross my arms and look vacant. So...time well spent.
It's OK Paul, just have Hayden jangle some keys in front of them for 5 seconds and they'll call you amazing,10/10.
This. Is. Truth.
And space whales. 😅
and so, because of this we have named them: Intellectual Toddlers.
Disney Star Wars keeps them at the kids table but gives them a straw instead of a sippy cup and suddenly it’s the “best writing ever!” 🙄
Worse. It's a _paper_ straw!
Remember, the fans are only bad when they don’t like Disney Star Wars. Funny that.
Disney Star Wars what remains.
I pass on Disney Star Wars.
You're not a fan.
@@vaporwave4880 Who me? Yes I am a Fan of George Lucas Star Wars and Star Wars Legends not Disney Star Wars.
@@vaporwave4880 You're not a fan of actual Star Wars.
@@Atheismo9760 thats hilarious. How old are you?
For whatever it's worth Chato, the vast majority of us value your unique experience having spent years as a network executive. Children just throw tantrums when they don't get their way, you can't avoid it, better to just ignore it.
Thank you. My ego feels better.
Well said!
By 'Children' does that include the cringe base of adult disney fans?
@@buda3d2007 You mean people who were fans of Disney during their formative years? Hard to avoid getting labeled, these days...
@@SheonEver I think he means manchilds (menchildren?), there is a surprising amount of them that are fans of modern Disney. I may be wrong though, no answer for 8 days.
Very sad that people get bought into mediocre TV shows, and then get upset when someone points out how mediocre it is.
You nailed it.
The only people willing to watch Disney Star Wars at this point are the one who will watch ANYTHING branded Stsr Wars.
Every fandom has that hollow, bottom tier. The problem for Disney is they've spent a couple of billion dollars to serve what is ultimately a few million (unpleasant, but dedicated) people.
Must consume product and get excited for next product...beep boop
_Very sad that people get bought into mediocre TV shows, and then get upset when someone points out how mediocre it is._
Just like _Firefly,_ then.
@@primmakinsofis614 It was weird seeing "Serenity" in theaters without ever having seen "Firefly". For me, "Serenity" was "Battle Beyond the Stars" with less exposition and the same budget.
I don't really look down on "Firefly" fans, I just realize they REALLY like what they like because Buffy has a dedicated fandom too.
Whedon is like disco. He had a major influence on EVERYTHING for a little while. The problem is that his worst excesses still infect many movies and shows to this day.
@@primmakinsofis614fuck you sir, Firefly is actually good, they got screwed by marketing an episode zero they aired last due to executives and a shitty time slot.
Honestly Ahsoka is not nearly as terrible as BoBF or Kenobi, but they really could have used a better pilot episode and better progression, and I'd still not argue it advances beyond the mediocre standard D+ should have insisted the Sequels and other series meet to simply exist but it is at least not defamatory of the rest of the IP.
We Love you Chato. As someone who has seen Clone Wars and Rebels, I can tell you that the show doesn’t even obey its own canon.
I saw both as well. Clone Wars even brought a tear to my eye.
But since TLJ and BoBF, I called it quits. All of it is a predictable girl boss mess.
I love Star Wars, that is why I was willing to set it free. Free for the 5 million or so ape-brains that remain in the fandom to enjoy.
The force gods episode from the clone wars was fucking stupid and it looks like filoni is doubling down on it.
Amen brother, don't even do it justice.But hey, Lightsaber Fights...
I noticed that too. I don't get it
That's okay, Ahsoka hates its own fans. Why else saddle them all with a boring story that creeps along at a snail's pace with hollow, poorly written characters whose actors exude all the charisma of a walnut
No, a Plank of Wood.
"A boring story that creeps along at a snails pace with hollow poorly written characters whose actors exude all the charisma of a walnut". Ok but enough about The Phantom Menace. Let's talk about Ahsoka.
@@vaporwave4880 It was boring, I wanted to do anything else so that's what I did.
I started writing my own story.
@@vaporwave4880 No, any piece of Disney Star Wars makes The Phantom Menace look like a perfect movie...
None of the Prequel films were remotely as bad as ANY piece of Disney Wars.
Yes, I include Rogue One in the Disney Wars blandness, too. At the end of that film, I didn't care for ANY of the human characters and felt the whole exercise was unnecessary. R1 does NOT hold up with repeated viewings and it violates the original Star Wars continuity. The EU had a perfectly serviceable storyline and game (Dark Forces) that explained the basic plotline of R1 better than that feature film did! I've NEVER heard anyone with a clue say "Jinn Erso was a better, more sympathetic character than Kyle Katarn!"
@@toycarsushiwriter3573 The Phantom Menace? Agreed.
Ahsoka fans are never beating the "jingling keys" allegations
Look, when you only have 8 episodes to tell a story, then none of that time can be wasted on filler. Everything needs to serve the plot, and now. You can’t wait for the good ones. Every single episode must be a good one.
Just think of how many seasons had two dozen episodes with no fillers. And now we're stuck with this!
I wish they’d make tv shows self contained stories again. Star Trek, space 1999, Columbo: all self contained stories. You can have an over arching goal that spans a season, but tighter writing is better writing.
And that’s exactly why I thought the Last of Us TV adaptation left much to be desired.
They do this to everybody. Have you seen how hard they go after That Star Wars Girl?
They're feral. Even with other content creators that don't agree with Ahsoka being a great show.
If they hate you, it means that you are doing something right!
Even having watched The Clone Wars, and being familiar with the characters and events, I felt the same way. The story telling was short-sighted, at best. NO background about the main characters and main objective of the story.
Filoni's direction: Everyone! Just act as "stoic" as you possibly can. I'll be moving the camera around so you guys don't have to emote or move at all so that you stay inside, "The Volume".....and ...MEMBERBERRIES.....ANNNNND..........ACTION !
Kinda disappointing TBH.
The series is "better" but "lacking", and the issue is better than garbage is not a motivation to watch, just less a motivation to "not" watch.
They hate themselves more than they hate you. Watching Ahsoka is basically self flagellation
Agreed if you attack other men on the internet to defend a fake orange alien
Bravo
This guy's does this on every show. It's his career. There are a ton of people that hated ashoka before it even came out because they make money by hate reviewing everything. Ashoka is amazing so far but I've seen the previous series so I have context. This guy's opinion is from an executive perspective. Fine. Executive perspective was why the sequel movies happened. Filoni is trusted by the fans. And he's doing great.
@@D4tificationNot since he kissed Kathleen Kennedy's ass no.
@@D4tification _Ashoka is amazing so far_
If by amazing you mean terrible, with awful dialogue, ridiculously dumb action sequences, and wooden acting, then yes!
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but Ahsoka will never entertain you.😂
Paul, you beat me to the, "Ahsoka fans exist?", line.
All 13 of them recently got together. Well rumored that is. Wonder how much Disney pays them.
@@rbu2136 Was one of the "usual Disney shills" hanging out with those dorks?
I can't even remember that guy's name.
Usually I remember the names of ANNOYING, OBNOXIOUS people but he was so bland I forgot the idiot's name! 😂
its being herald as one of the better star war shows by most fans. Like you don't get 76% on user score on rotten if people hate your show
I'm not convinced they do. You know how they say AI isn't good at humor or sarcasm... I got one of these fans into a discussion about the average size of orange woman per country and it never seemed to catch on, even after others started piling on.
Disney Star Wars fans dont exist in the wild. You'll never meet one in your actual real life.
As a teacher I can relate with accusations of being wrong simply by doing my job...
I used to work as an adviser in the UK benefits system. I sympathise with you.
You too?
Now, THIS is hat I hate. Teachers are the cornerstone of society, they need to be respected, their knowledge and will to still (even in the face of these times) keep building the future is important.
@@Sekir80 as a teacher, respectfully…slow your roll. 😎
@@shadowchaser3836 Can I stop? 😆
Nothing like the solid business plan of making a show for a subset of a subset of a subset of fans.
My problem is Ahsoka is basically girl boss, girl boss, girl boss, evil white male, girl boss, girl boss
You do realize that it's a blue male lol not white. Dumb argument.
Yea watch him woop anakin's arse, the old generation is outdated , let the girl bosses teach toxic masculine men a lesson
Ahsoka literally loses several times and where is this evil white man?💀 Baelon skull is literally a fan favorite who is fair to his enemies.
@@ChiyoTachi Elaborate? Is this "him beating Anakin" in the room with us right now?
Edit: I mean don't get me wrong, I find Hera insufferable in this series and Sabine is... a 30 year old teenager? But your Anakin comment is dangerouly close to schizophrenia
its not a chick flick you have no idea. Anakin was training Ahsoka it wasnt a fight
Hayden looked cool with his lightsaber. That was literally all that was good about the show.
And, he had to slow down. He knows how and what to do, Rosario doesn't.
Agreed. Its not even ashoka. It was anakin that gets all the excitement. The show is a joke ashoka is bad side character .
Yep, he’s the only good thing about those episodes of Obi Wan and Asoka
@@crazyralph6386 disney star wars is just replays of lucas Star Wars. It's bloody memba berries down to reshooting scenes from a New Hope.
@@ardendragoonadmittedly, that's their only card to play. Because their only "creative" move is girl boss slay queen.
I have two teenage daughters, so I am also "old and stupid". You have my sympathy.
I heard a great line in Murder she Wrote the other day “ it doesn’t matter if Hollywood produces the show . What’s important is that they buy the script”
@@MontChevalier yeah I’m rewatching them all again. It’s been a good time.
Always a pleasure to listen to you inform us of the executive's perspective. Also love the gag at the end. Happy to send you some cloths if you have a P.O. box!
executives cancelled Firefly
@@JimmyJacpots Knowing what we now know about Joss Whedon, they probably did us (and the actors) a favor.
this is true. but the executives knew about that and greenlit his ass anyway... same with brian singer.
hes not wrong at all my girl is infuriated i made her watch it. But I went of marketing and they said you wouldnt need context, again executive desicion not filmmaker decision.@@StarGeezerTim
Disney did the same thing to Marvel. Putting up so many shows to tie into shows and movies. I think there's still a belief that you can stamp 'Star Wars', or 'Avengers' on anything and make a billion.
One of the reasons people have a favorite is because it's great and they rarely get it, too much availability degrades value.
The defenders of Disney Star Wars (or any case really where people defend shit) do think like that, that you just stamp a brand on it and therefore must like it. It's an issue with any franchise that isn't consistently good or outright just kept getting worse. (I've seen it a lot with Jurassic Park.)
@@beerosaurusrex I read the JP novel before I even knew there was going to be a movie. I really loved the book, the movies seem like such a dart throw. I'm not against them I just don't really know what I should and shouldn't watch, or even an order if there's a cohesive one.
So far watching Ahsoka has been like eating unseasoned leftover soup, it's better than drinking dishwater (sequel trilogy) and it'll go down when there's nothing else to have, but it's no great gourmet experience either.
These people are desperate for anything remotely close to real star wars. They live on a such a level of hopioum that they've lost most objectivity. I argue with them all the time when I point out the awful writing, acting, action, and story. This was just more member berries and people fell for it. It's honestly sad. Star wars is dead, and ANAKIN being back for no freaking reason changes nothing.
It actually wasn't a terrible reason, it was his ghost just like in episode 6, and he was visiting his apprentice as she was dying to teach her a final lesson.
We love a good tiki bar! But, you might want to remove that distracting light bulb that covers the mask behind you in close-ups.
I hope those so-called "Ahsoka fans" are enlightened after watching this video...and looking at that lightbulb
They already lost interest, due to short attention spans.
OT PT fans are the vast majority of SW fans but Disney has driven away most Lucas SW fans away
Once again it really is Disney's fault. Ashoka is one of the most adored characters by more than a few younger Star Wars fans. These are kids who grew up watching The Clone Wars. They love Ahsoka as much as we loved Han. It would take more than a single badly produced TV show for them to give on their hero. Its Disney and KK who didn't respect that. I hope with all my heart that the future will bring healing to Star Wars, but I think its going to need to be shelved in entirety for 30 years, perhaps in a time capsule left for a future generation. The children of the 2077 perhaps will get a new Star Wars that can hold a flame to the original, in whatever medium its presented in. Probably direct neural VR by that point....
You're doing fine. There's a strange generation gap. I'm happy you're here to talk to us (I'm about half a lifetime younger than you). I'm glad we're interested in the same things. Agree or disagree with your stated opinions, I'm so thankful to your adherence to the tenets of our shared language and your choice to express yourself in written speech before recording the video. ❤🔥
It's not a generation gap, it's ego-centrism dialed up to 11. These so-called fans only care about movies/series that shout out "The Message" because that destroys previous movies/series and that's all they want. There aren't any creators in Hollyweird anymore, as many have been replaced by people whose only goal in life seems to be to destroy all that came before.
That was a very nice message, but I do not think it is a generational gap that you are sensing.
These shows exist purely on the fact 7 reddit dupes cried about in on social media, more on reddit. I can't understand why movie producers and game developers fear the reddit ranthive to the point they cave in to their wishes and we end up with half baked products like Ahsoka for example.
Keep up the good work Mr. Chato.
Keep in mind that it is being enabled with a bigger purpose in mind.
As a fellow old fart (almost 52) let me just say you are not wrong. I had plenty of time in 2020 and 2021 for some reason and I watched the animated shows. I don’t see how the average fan could follow along without doing so. I am enjoying it despite its flaws, the slow walking, overly long gazes and arm folding etc. But rest assured I don’t hate you my fellow geezer. Keep up the great work and keep the laughs coming. 🖖✌️
52 and thinks he's a geezer, some people are so funny. (62 here) 😉
Get of my Lawn!!
It's not a matter age. It is matter of the nature of the show. Ahsoka's story began in 2008, and it is still unfolding. The streaming program is brand new, but the character's tale is 15 years old and unfinished. If Star Was was like the soap opera, All My Children, then Ahsoka would be akin to Erica Kane. (Susan Lucci's character)
@@HighHeelKnight my parents used to tape All My Children every day on our VCR lol. We had to watch it on our only tv at dinner time. Erica was a smoke show as I remember 😉😎
@@adamvangesen9166 That wonderful. I tried to think of a reference that would be well known for our generation. One of those programs that everybody was aware of, even if they didn't watch it.
By the way, I have seen Susan Lucci in person. She was gorgeous.
I guess when it comes to Ahsoka fans -- it's more of a case of them banging their heads onto the wall of "this show is boring" for the purpose of convincing themselves that it's not boring. At the end of the day, Ahsoka fans wind up in a delusional state because of the head banging and Ahsoka remains as it is -- boring. And agreed -- the first Star Wars, Alien, etc stood without any prior context because of the quality of the script writing, cinematography, acting, etc. BTW, I just love how those lights pulse in coordination with your voice inflections. Way too cool...
Makes me think of that moment in Dead Space when you start hearing that banging sound down the hallway.
Again, thank you for keeping the critique and response to critique limited to elements of writing, storytelling and just enough snark to make me almost put some coffee on my keyboard.
Content like this helps (hopefully) to push audiences to demand better storytelling or at the least, creators that dont look at their audience like children.
“As a TV network executive, I had one job: to keep my job.” LOVE IT
Agreed Chato. It's a real problem when everyone is talking about how much of a threat Thrawn is but there's nothing even in the mando verse that shows why it would be bad for him to return... Only fans who read the books or saw Rebels would know why Thrawn's return would be bad.
I 100 percent agree with you. The major problem with Ahsoka is that there is no "on-boarding" for people who haven't previously watched Ahsoka. Also for people who haven't read the Thrawn books. I have done neither. I watched Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, Rogue 1, and Han Solo. So I'm grounded in basic Star Wars. Let me give you my description of about the first 10 minutes.
A captain recieves a signal from some people claiming to be Jedi. He doesn't believe they're Jedi. He lets them on his ship anyway. They aren't Jedi, but they do have light sabers ergo they are Sith. The F crap up and kill people and I have no idea why. And people who have never seen Star Wars before don't even know they're Sith so they're already really lost.
Ahsoka, Anikin's padawan (because I have enough Star Wars lore to know that) does an incredibly boring Indiana Jones impression. It's not the actress's fault, it's the director's/writer's. There's lots of slowly turning boring looking pillars. She eventually gets a thing. She gets attacked by droids. I don't know why. the droids then blow themselves up stupidly. The explosion is way bigger than it seems like it should be. I am irritated at the fake attempt to build tension after the extremely boring pillar twisting.
Ahsoka talks to a green twylek who is played by an actress only skilled enough for Disney teen shows. Maybe they're saying something important. I heard "Blah blah blabity blah." I still have no clue what they are doing or why. And I just realized I forgot to mention Ahsoka's scene with a droid professing eternal friendship because it was that boring.
Cut to some random planet. A governor is giving some speech and he cuts to his general who helped him win the rebellion. She's not there. He tells people to find her.
Cut to the "general" who stole a speeder and is joy riding because she wants to . She's getting the spoiled rich princess cut except it makes ZERO sense for a general. If she were a real general and didn't want to give a speech she'd have turned down the occasion, and not irresponsibly snuck away from her duties. Or she'd have given the speech because it's her duty. I immediately HATE her for being irresponsible and careless. I know I'm supposed to think she's a cool rebel, but that WORKS for spoiled princesses because they often have no real control of their lives. A GENERAL does. And a GENERAL has things that they should voluntarily be doing because they chose to become a general. At the very least, I expect a general to care about their men, not run away from them. or care about their country, not run away from it, or care about something larger than themselves which causes them to do their duty. So hating the b*tch on the speeder with a deep and implacable hatred for shirking her responsibilities.
Speeder chase stuff happens that's supposed to look cool, but because I have no emotional investment in it and think the whole set up is dumb, it just irritates the crap out of me.
Cut to the Sith freeing some random woman on the ship. Dialogue is "Blah, blah, blabity blah. Map blah." Yeah, there's something about a map. I do not care because I don't know who these people are or what their motivation is or even what their feelings towards each other are. They're card board cutouts going through the motions of a story. Little girl goes running off somewhere.
Cut back to the general listening to an old message from her dead brother. And I think there was a cute fake animal in this scene. Doesn't matter. Still hate the b*tch. And not in a fun way. And so I do not care about her dead brother. She thoughtlessly abandoned her people and I'm mad at the attempt to make me feel some kind of sympathy for her. It's not the find kind of mad I felt for Seska in Star Trek: Voyager. It's the "This is deeply irritating" kind. Oh, yeah, and her acting is on par with the green twylek's so I've really got nothing to work with her.
And I turn off the incomprehensible mess.
There was no on-boarding done for non-fans or casual fans. And if you don't want to make an effort and give me a reason to get invested in your show., if it is entirely not for me. That's fine. But I'm not going to watch it.
Ahsoka had awful writing and mediocre acting. I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
Brilliant.
Having watched the “homework” shows long before the current show existed, its so much worse. The animated version of the green Twi’Lek, Hera has a MUCH bigger acting range in animation than this show even tries to give her. She’s also more careless and pushy than her animated counterpart was capable of. Sabine, the “speeder-stealing general” you mentioned, was one one the fighters that liberated that planet along with Hera, Ezra (who they try to find later), and many others that really should have been in the show, considering what it’s about. The exact situation in the show is a bad mixture of things Sabine might have done as a teenager and the idea of two general reactions she might have had as an adult. As a teenager, she might well have gotten dragged to such a ceremony by Hera and the rest of her group and decided to bail, because the ceremony was honoring her group, including a man that was basically a father figure to her and a friend that was basically her boyfriend (ignore what the current show tries to say later; that’s BS). Understandably, she’s hurting in that situation and not wanting to be there. As an adult, she would have either thrown herself into working to protect Lothel (the planet) so the sacrifices of those she lost weren’t in vain, and thus would have been at the ceremony no matter how uncomfortable she was, or she would have retreated into herself and thus avoided people in general. What’s in the show makes no sense for her.
@@John-fk2ky If the general were a kid being dragged to something, the speeder stealing would have been fine. A bit boring and predictable, but fine. Kids do stupid things. Kids forced to do things they don't want to rebel.
As an adult GENERAL, I expect her either to be working because that's her chosen job and responsibility, or to just use her words and say "No, I'm not doing that." Because she's an adult and no one can make her, but she shouldn't tell them she will do it and then bail on them.
I don't really have an impression of the Twylek other than she was boring and badly acted. I don't even know why Ahsoka was talking with her as nothing they said seemed to progress the plot or build character. Which even if this were only for people who already knew the characters, I'd expect one of those two things, or possibly both. I was expecting info and I got babble instead.
That was fantastic and spot on.
I would read your recaps if you wanted to write them, but then I guess you would have to watch the show, and I really don't want you (or anybody, really) to struggle through it.
Oh, in regards to the Twi'lek general being so irresponsible, there's a scene later in episode 4 when her son (who's very much human for some reason, despite being half Twi'lek, but he just has green hair (?!)) questions her about him having to do what he's told while she doesn't and her reply is simply "When you're a general, you can disobey orders too."
@@allluckyseven Thank you. But no, I'm not sitting through that boring mess.
Also, they call the Twylek a general, but she wasn't the irresponsible one. It was the Asian? actress. I think she's supposed to become Ahsoka's padawan if I understand the advertising correctly.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that rolls their eyes when I hear
Millennial, Gen z'ers and x'ers end every sentence with a question mark. I laughed so hard when you did your parody!
And as for being older myself and one who is supposed to assume the fetal position when called a " boomer", ( oh, horror!) I consider that a high compliment. ( when I was a child, I thought I knew everything, too)
I had enough of their content and cancelled my subscription to Disney+ and now come to channels like yours to see what I might be missing about this show, and the answer is..... NOTHING! Thank you for your honest input!
I am old and I love rebels and clone wars and I am totally in Chato’s corner.
My first Windows computer came with a PC game called G-Nome. It was similar to Mech Warrior. I was so taken by it I wrote a Sci fi novel based upon it. Some insights on the experience: a) PC games are shallow. Adding depth to the characters is a challenge b) Be as faithful to the base material as possible. I actually acted out the battle scenes on the game. Which meant that I did not simply win, I won in a manner consistent with the story. An example being where my main character wins the fight but spares the life of his opponent. c) Being as faithful to the base usually gains the approval of the fan base. The challenge then becomes the story must stand in its own. Those who never heard of the game should be able to read it and enjoy the story on its own merit
Filoni dropped the ball massively and I say that as some 1 who enjoyed the prequels and clone wars.
Yesterday i decided to give a chance to Ahsoka since everyone is either loving it or hating it. Fell asleep after 15 minutes
You are like a mentor to me. Just keep in mind Disney Star Wars fans have no sense of taste. Maybe it's covids fault 😅.
“Your boos don’t bother me, I’ve seen what you cheer for.”
A big reason Ahsoka is so popular is because of her personality. And she has none of that personality in this series. She's like a different character. And, yes, before people say it, I can understand her getting wiser and calmer with age, but she's lost her personality *entirely.* There should still be a spark of her old self in there. (I don't blame Rosario Dawson for this. She's just playing the role as instructed. I blame Filoni. He doesn't know why his own character was popular.)
Shes exactly the same as she was in mando. She's had more than 20 years running from the empire and failing to put her monster of a master back into the ground. She was never going to be clone wars ahsoka
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You are exceptionally unobservant. She’s is not only not as stoic in the Mandalorian, which, like the current show, is set well after being chased by the Empire, we’ve also seen her when she’s being actively hunted by Darth Vader and his underlings in Rebels, where she is obviously different from her Clone Wars portrayal but still has plenty of personality. Had season 5 of the Clone Wars’s not happened and had Order 66 not happened, Ahsoka at the same age she was in Rebels would have been happier than her canon counterpart, but she would not have been drastically different in terms of basic character interactions. The version of Ahsoka we see in the show named for her is NOTHING like that. There’s no logical reason for her to lose all personality when that DIDN’T happen when the worst times of her life occurred, and nothing comparable has happened since those events to inflict enough trauma. If anything, she should be freer than she was in Rebels because most of the reasons for pain and stress are gone. Luke’s working to rebuild the Order (ignore the stupidity of the sequel trilogy for a moment), the Empire is nearly gone, and she hasn’t lost anyone else close to her. She could be worried that this could all come crashing down with the return of Thrawn, but that would require a greater range of acting than the current show has presented us with.
@@reggiefreeborn2143 And I said in my comment that I don't expect her to *be* Clone Wars Ahsoka. But surely there was a middle ground that didn't involve erasing her personality completely.
@@John-fk2kyyou're mentioning Rebels Ahsoka who was more closed off, but you're forgetting at the end when she confronts Darth Vader, almost dies, and is stuck on Malachor for atleast 5 years. She has only gone worse since
As someone who has seen both Clone Wars and Rebels, I can see someone who hasn't would be lost watching Ahsoka.
I don't think that there is much to "find" in Ahsoka let alone getting lost. I can understand Rebels fanboys getting excited along the lines of "there's that character or thing I recognize" but that's about it. Objectively, you can write a short paragraph explaining everything important that has happened in Ahsoka in 5 episodes. That's not good.
As a fan of animated Ahsoka, I could never hate you for any reason.
I'm about your age Chato, so I'm firmly in Old Fart territory myself. Yes, I saw all of the original trilogy in theaters. Opening day for ESB and RotJ. To be fair, I did moderately enjoy Episode 5 of Ahsoka. I also thought most of what came before it in 1-4 wasn't simply cardboard performances, but wet cardboard at at that. I'm hoping maybe they wrote the dialog like that to show the difference between the so-called "Grey" and "White" versions of Ahsoka after her encounter with her old Master, and that going forward she'll have far less of a stick up her backside with her portrayal. We shall see.
Chato, as a 62 year-old film tech that also happens to reside in your city, I can say that you are totally spot on with your analysis about what the film and tv industry has become, and it is indeed disturbing.
This is why now with my age and experience I will only work on shows that do not reflect "current day" themes and woke connotations because of my ability to be hired based on my skills and NOT my identity politics.
There are few and far between opportunities for this premise in the present day, but they still do exist. I have three more years before I retire, and if the wokeness suddenly becomes unfashionable I will perhaps reconsider my future plans of retirement
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Film making is an art that I absolutely love, but all this SJW crap has me reeling in anger and disappointment. These naive young minds have been poisoned by a well orchestrated financial machine to confuse them into believing that they are in control of the social direction of pop culture, but they are totally oblivious as to how they are being surreptitiously manipulated by the elite power base of unelected Globalists.
Keep up the great work, you lovable old fart. Bravo to you for telling it like it is.
Your insight into how a show can be genuinely better for all as opposed to how it can not be that is something not many other critics in this field have. Chato gets the slow and steady approach to building something grand and how it's better to just do what is the best option instead of being petulant just because you can.
You fit in like a glove on the drinker last week.
No Chato you’re not too old. You’re just too educated in filmcraft to be spellbound by the Disney witch. Thank you for your channel.
Not to mention Darth Vader with his helmet and mask on showed more facial emotions than actors and actresses in Asoka.
Well... I'm loving the show and I don't hate you, Chato. 😊
You're Chato, but you're great. 😊
It's crazy how nostalgia blinds people.
It’s not nostalgia it’s worldbuilding and character development
awesome response Paul!!! People are starving for good content and most of the time they settle for a simulacrum of what used to be good and fun...they are addicts that recieved a less potent drug but a drug nonetheless...they feel good while watching the show so the show must be good (cause feelings > Knowledge for them) and if you think differently then you are the ennemy of their good feelings...
Comprehension does seem to be something that has gone away these days. I think it comes from the TL;DR crowd, as they will typically read the title of an article, but won't bother to read any of it before puking forth their vitriol with no information. I always find it to be a weird dichotomy that someone would spend the effort to type out a 400 word dissertation on their opinions while still being too lazy to actually read the article they're bitching about.
The problem with most modern adaptations is they're trying desperately to please everyone rather than pleasing the fans first, then bringing new viewers along for the ride. I think One Piece achieved it's success by first answering three important questions. 1. How do we write the story in such a way to thoroughly please the existing fans without leaving the possibility of new fans on the table? 2. How can we write so that new fans can enjoy the story without having ever seen the anime, or read the Manga? 3. Is this even worth doing if it can't be done without destroying the canon, and established story?
They wrote One Piece as it's own story while using the sources as blue prints for what needed to be presented. They actually cared about having recognizable characters with their personalities, and idiosyncrasies in tact. Lastly, they added enough new content so that when comparing the other two sources to the live action it would be something fresh, but within the scope of the original source material so it wasn't a direct, beat for beat copy/clone.
Just as an aside I watched "Chato's Land" recently and was sadly disappointed you were not the star. Also I've watched the "Clone Wars" and "Ahsoka" still sucks.
Ignore them! They're just jealous that WE were there, to see the IP be born. 🙂And you're not old... You're wise 💜
I honestly can't remember the last time something was made for the fans, they don't really worry about the fans, they always end up making it in a way that can be accessable to the everyday person and if that means dumbing down the plot or characters and changing plots they'll do it
Being subjected to the “vitriol” by Ahsuka fans must feel like being pummelled with candy floss, Sir. 😄 A quick shower to wash off the stupid. Every snowflake is unique, until they melt.
Hi, as a fan of Star Wars, as the first movie was originally called, I can completely agree with everything you say.
I saw it as a 12 year old, so I can say I am also an old fart. I watched Rebels and really enjoyed it. I thought it was well done and the characters were well written enough.
Now, AssHoleka comes along. I thought I'd enjoy it, but it only took the hologram scene for me to nearly switch off. However when Sabine was stabbed through the chest with a light sabre and shrugged it off as pretty much nothing then that was the last straw! What has happened to these characters? The whole show is a nothingburger to me sadly, and the rumours of what may come make me shudder.
You don't want their "love". If they saw Clone Wars or even the Rebel series, they would feel cheating by the live-action show. You have taken the correct position here.
They have gotten mostly every character from TCW/Rebels wrong in this series, how about SOME NEW BLOOD IN SW instead of rehashing previous characters. Luke rebuilding the Jedi order with Baby Yoda and Jacen Syndulla as his first 2 students, traveling finding other Force sensitives would be vastly superior with subplot of Baylan/Thrawn.
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I watched Clone Wars, read the Rebels introductory novel, watched Rebels, and liked all of it. Ahsoka is my favorite Star Wars character along with Kenobi and Luke. And yet I have no interest seeing Filoni using Ahsoka, the character, to remake Lucas’ Star Wars in his own Disney-approved image.
You along with other reviewers I respect have called the series crap. Any way nothing to worry about the hating mob they don’t know how to construct or use a torch and have no idea what a pitchfork is. Keep up the good work.
You said the keywords Good writing. That appears to not exist anymore.
I have watched the clone wars and i liked it ( story wise and draw wise). I also saw the rebels ( which i sort of kind of liked...)plus that plot and story was better than what came out of most of dish-knee-ed star wars in that time period) and i saw most of the other series from diss-NIE star wars like: Mandalorian --meh, Andor ( i am biased i liked a lot of the actors in it) better, obi wan -bad didn't watch ( except for the first episode 10 minutes in and i turned it off), bobber phat ( my name for that serie trying to make a show about bobba fett) and as the name i gave suggests...
The ash-oh-kuh serie, which i didn't watch but took snippets out from other reviewers, seems to be something like a mix of rehash live action rebels than something else. But hey that is what you get when you have Dave Fellon-ie at the helm.
As to people who call people "old" well.. Sir Christopher Lee made 2 heavy metal albums in his 90s and has been one of the great actors who played all kinds of roles up to his last journey.
Here you have a professional in the field who has given you a script on HOW TO MAKE GOOD MOVIES and SERIES, instead of going "oh he is old" listen to the advice he is giving instead of being stiffnecked hardhearing humming hobos of corpotown inc. But then writing a kickass script, being true to lore, wanting to make such a great product people will buy and/or watch your serie/movie /whatever is overshadowed by "the message" and other PC /alphabett mafia malarkey.
Great video sir.
There was at least 45 minutes of dead time in eps 1 and 2 in which to do a metric fk-tonne of introduction and world-building.
Like, ooh, I dunno, A New Hope levels of worldbuilding.
I have watched all the Clone Wars and Rebels, and have found Asoka tolerable to watch, some episodes were even enjoyable, but Chato is right. The show would be confusing without prior knowledge of these shows.
As a fan of Rebels who was excited with the announcement of Ahsoka...
You are quite right. It has shown every concern I had and then some, leaving me with little desire to engage with it at all. And I am a "fan" of the animated universe. I feel like Filoni was the golden child with the animated stuff and his big hit with Mando S1, but everything seems to provide diminishing returns. Maybe he believes his own hype. Maybe DPlus requires shows to all feel the same and have the same boring pacing. Who knows the answer. I know that I do not get excited about anything on that platform anymore because of examples like this.
If you added them all up, the cumulative IQ points of all ahsoka "fans" would tally up to just about "light jacket weather" on an early Spring day. They're about as bright as this series.
I recently started a re-watch of the original trilogy and my thought was oh, how far we have fallen.
And it is hard to reconcile space whales, space zombies, space witches, space? time travel etc... with Star Wars.
Clone Wars and Rebels to a lesser degree were fine for what they where, but it seemed to get to be more fan fictiony as time went on.
The EU had a good chunk of that (what is so weird about space witches when Star Wars has Space Wizards as its heroes?). To me, the bigger problem is what is done with those elements you mentioned, and lately Disney has been making some strange choices in terms of storytelling.
I didn't watch any of the cartoons, so the only thing I have been able to learn from the show is that Ahsoka and Sabine are former lesbian lovers looking someone who was a part of their love triangle.
LOL
The problem is there are too many people that don't want to hear your opinion, nor are they capable of appreciating your unique individual perspective. They simply want to hear their opinion coming from your mouth, and anything short of that offends them.
Considering that the show moved really slowly for the first few episodes, I think they could have used some of the time to try and fill in some of the knowledge gaps for people who haven't seen everything. There's plenty of people who never knew Anakin Skywalker had a padawan during the Clone Wars, and they're making a show with her as the title character? Granted, they would have had to be really careful to inform the new viewers without boring the fans of Clone Wars and Rebels, but that's why you hire the best, and Dave Filoni has been in the Star Wars universe long enough, and has been much more popular with fans than most of the other people involved in Disney Star Wars, that he'd be the top name to do this show right.
They're certainly not doing everything the way I would want, but I'm still enjoying the show. I would have made Ahsoka a warmer character, I wouldn't have made Sabine try to become a Jedi, and I would have had Jacen starting his training with Ahsoka as his Master instead.
Also, I never really understood the need to type out insults to people who have a different opinion to you on the internet. First of all, enjoying or not enjoying a show is subjective. Second of all, if they make a show that has strongly recommended that you should watch certain content to enjoy it the most, is it really so surprising that someone who hasn't seen that recommended content didn't enjoy it? Most importantly, if you want to live in a bubble where everyone agrees with you about everything, maybe the internet isn't for you?
Thank you for the 'inside scoop' and the viewing of how TV works internally, Paul. Yours is valuable insight that few normies have access to. We appreciate your efforts to educate AND entertain, you have again been successful! Keep up the great work and we'll keep showing up!
I guess the clone wars animation fans would love ahsoka, i never watched the animations so i found the live action show extremely boring and incoherent. I'm pretty sure it's the same for most people.
Couldn't agree more. Love the Polynesian bar. 😂
All these _Star Wars_ shows feel like someone at Lucasfilm dumped a bucket of action figures on the floor and just said "Ta-da!" with jazz hands.
You know the haters are a idiots and haters when they call old fart a person who isn't even 71 years old. And even if Ahsoka is succesful (spoiler it won't) That don't make your opinion less true or the show least sucky. Also insecure haters remember, you can love bad shows and be happy, is like eating Fast food, you know it's not good but some of use really love those extra carbs.
Ahsoka fans just outed themselves as ageists. For shame! ='[.]'=
How is Star Wars on Disney+ even doing nowadays? From what I heard Mando 3 was close to be Disney+‘s 8th season of game of thrones and all the rest did even worse. I don’t really see Ahsoka saving anything here or even getting a second season. If The Acolyte isn’t a hit phenomenon, we may very well see the last months of Star Wars series unfolding in front of us.
Us old farts are used to watching great tv and movies. That's our problem. We expect too much. A good story and good acting.... wow.
I've watched the show. I find the irregular run times irritating, but have been told I'm a compulsive. The series needs a trim. too much walking and staring. And not enough Chopper! (Singapore Sling, Please)
The pulsating bulbs are really adding to this video. Keep giving your honest opinions, even if I may not agree to them, but I always enjoy them.
great video. I dont watch all your videos but I am glad I caught this one. your perspective is not only true but comedy gold.
"Being too old to appreciate" is amongst the dumbest strawman insults I've ever heard. My dad is almost 80 and he really liked One Piece.
Ahskoka fans? Where?
I don't know where they are.
They are imaginary or Disney employees
Im a fan of the character. But, I'm totally disappointed with her live action version.
I like it *shrug*
@@OxxotrOxxotro Good for you, I respect your opinion.
But Disney Star Wars isn't that good anymore.
Ashoka was boring, I saw Clone Wars and Rebels...I love Star Wars.
They're nothing to complain about because there was nothing there in the first place.
If a story requires homework, for it to be understood, it is not written well. Period.
Disney Star Wars is Trash.
Clever, original comment. Did you write it in crayon?
At the end of the fifth episode my jaw literally dropped from the utterly incomprehensible levels of stupidity of the writing...
SPACE WHALES? REALLY? Are you serious?!? XD
There just happened to be a pack of space whales for which traveling between galaxies is apparently somewhat of a formality it seems... :D DAFUQ
Love the Tiki bar. Do you have a tiki bar playlist? 🎵 "On a coconut island I'd love to be a castaway with you."🎵
When Clone Wars came out it seemed popular, especially in animation, to introduce something early that seemed stupid, bore you with it, then at the end there's a payoff where it's needed and we are supposed to think they were just being clever all this time. That's Ahsoka. When the series was over I was surprised how people that finished the series were talking about her being their favorite Star Wars character. The problem is I hated her at the start and stopped watching. Most shows that did that only made you suffer til the end of on episode to get the payoff. Filoni would go several seasons. Every episode needs to count. The payoff is probably not worth it and if it spans episodes it could even be cut. It's a stupid way to do things.
I'm a fan of Ahsoka and I don't hate you 😂 You are quite entertaining, sir.
“Missed opportunity” and “lost potential” are the defining themes of all things Star Wars … since the credits rolled on Return of the Jedi in 1983.
I’m not salty about it. George gave us a wonderful universe, and iconic, eternal characters. And it was awesome for a little while.
I've watched clonewars and rebels and I've found them charming, yeah they were for kids but I mostly enjoyed the experience, they were not boring and had likable characters. The live-action Ahsoka is... "ok" at best. While it should have been amazing. They had the lore established, they had weird and cool characters, and what they did seems similar to serving us fat Thor after Stormbreaker Thor and expecting us to like that. This time it's not that severe, but still... even though it's not that severe it seems like it lingers longer and longer. They are mourning people they lost and the lives they could have had and are stoic and cold now. Why did Sabine not pay honors to her friends at the beginning of the show? Where is Zeb? Where is Kallus? Why does Sabine only equip herself with a lightsabre before the fight where she gets pierced through if she knows she isn't fully trained and proficient with it? She isn't stupid, don't make her stupid. Also, the grey Ahsoka turning into the white Ahsoka thing... come on... I know Dave compared her to Gandalf but let's not be this literal...
It took them 5 episodes to get to the end of Rebels with Ahsoka the White. Just filler, that fails to fill in the audience to the cartoons, not to mention space battles where a lightsaber cuts a ship in half, yes, somehow it was close enough for Ahsoka to do that, and somehow the light saber was long enough for that, even though her sabers are even shorter than most, and didn't knock her off the ship or rip her arm off. Sure!
I agree with you wholeheartedly on Arcane. I think it’s an age thing. you gotta be in your 20s or younger for it to work for you. Too much angst. Angst is for kids. Millennials and Zoomers are all about angst. They give it way too much credibility as a literary device. That might be manga’s fault.
Just tell them all they are not following the real canon, "'Caravan of Courage". Keep up the great work!
I'd like to post my powerful defense of Ahsoka here...if I had one. It's better than Secret Invasion. That I slept through most of episode two and gave up on the show. With Ahsoka, on the other hand, I only nod-off briefly each episode AND I have learned how to stand around, cross my arms and look vacant. So...time well spent.
I was told by several Ahsoka fans, "You're not a real Star Wars fan"
Nice set! its amazing what they can do with the Volume. Like the Russel Brand cameo.
personally i could not be less interested in anything about prequel characters.
Must be nice to be hated by so few people...
I'm not too old to enjoy good writing. Bwahaha. Amen, Brother Chato. In fact, I think it becomes ever more precious.