Pivot Switchblade | INSANE Suspension & Price, But Compromised Spec

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  • Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
  • Pivot’s do-it-all trail bike come enduro rig, the Switchblade, was last updated in 2016. Since then, times have moved on and the trend for longer, slacker and more aggressive geometry is even more prevalent.
    Like the outgoing model, the latest iteration is built around the premise that one bike can, and should, do many different things - hinted at by its name.
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Комментарии • 99

  • @bikeradar
    @bikeradar  4 года назад +17

    Would you try out the Pivot Switchblade? Or is the price too hard to stomach?

    • @nicksknives7777
      @nicksknives7777 4 года назад +2

      I am picking up my 1st dream bike next week the trail 429. I was torn between the 429 and switchblade. 429 is a 2019 so it was 15% off and ive demoed it 3 times. It just feels solid and right. If the switchblade feels anything like the 429 yes i would buy it for sure. Surprised u didnt like the xtr brakes i have used xt single piston and they are the best ive used, didnt like sram guide felt squishy and didnt inspire confidence. Cant wait to throw a leg over my new bike pivot makes a very stiff solid robust feeling bike that trek, giant and specialized bikes ive riden just dont compare. I have a 2017 trance and love it but it doesn't feel like a pivot!

    • @Peanutdenver
      @Peanutdenver 4 года назад +1

      I have a 2 year old Evil The Offering and I'm eyeballing the new Pivot Switchblade and Yeti SB 130, maybe even stepping up to a Yeti SB 140 depending on where I'll be living this summer. I love the Pivot but a $9k in this spec it's too much. I could build a better spec for less cash. I did see on their website here in the States that their base model Switchblade is around $5800 for the "Race XT" build and that's still pretty steep. I like the idea of buying a complete bike to jump on and go, but you gotta drop a lot of coin in order to do so....Time to break out the tool kit I guess.

    • @nicksknives7777
      @nicksknives7777 4 года назад

      @@Peanutdenver if u got the knowledge to build ur own i say go for it, im not that mechanically inclined. I think u can get a frame only switchblade just make sure ur rear hub is 157.

    • @Peanutdenver
      @Peanutdenver 4 года назад

      @@nicksknives7777 That's right thanks for the heads up. I've only built one bike and it was my Evil. It took me quite awhile to do so and a lot of trial and error. Especially routing cables the correct length where I triple checked because I didn't trust myself. I didn't have a vise to cut the steerer tube to the right length and that was a little tough, but I did save some money doing it myself(the build that is). Everyone I know is so happy with their Pivot and that's what drove me to check them out. The Switchblade seems like a great do it all bike as well. I really give credit to guys like Gee Milner who can throw a bike together with their eyes closed, it truly is a skill.

    • @mtbaz2772
      @mtbaz2772 4 года назад

      I’ve demo’d several different bikes and manufacturers and I bought a 2020 Switchblade and got it 2 weeks ago. By far this is the best bike I’ve ridden for my style.

  • @furion..
    @furion.. 4 года назад +32

    I'm sorry, I don't know what you were *on* that day but it was more than a mountain bike!
    - In our little group of 14 riders who ride Tahoe, Santa Cruz, etc, after riding my 2020 Switchblade, 8 of 14 are going in on each getting one together to save money because the UNANIMOUS conclusion is it's the best climber anyone has ever ridden, except one who rides a Ripley and who admits it's just as good.
    Maybe the frame of the one you rode had accidentally been filled with water. lol

    • @chrispobanz5058
      @chrispobanz5058 3 года назад +11

      this^^ I lost all respect for this reviewer when he said you need to flip a climb switch....WTF, there is no reason to ever use the climb switch. This bike shoots you forward with every pedal stroke.

    • @usmanvaliante
      @usmanvaliante 3 года назад +5

      @@chrispobanz5058 Agree 100%

    • @Brandomonium410
      @Brandomonium410 3 года назад +5

      @@usmanvaliante Absolutely. Best climbing bike I've ever owned.

    • @stevenleung9589
      @stevenleung9589 3 года назад +1

      I have a trail 429 and it also climbs great especially with uphill rock gardens!

    • @phantasma2323
      @phantasma2323 2 месяца назад

      Every review this guy does is out in left field. Total moron.

  • @AlexS-xe7ry
    @AlexS-xe7ry 4 года назад +16

    Ya I’m not super sure why u think it climbs poorly... cause umm it’s the best climbing 140 mil travel bike I’ve ridden... better than the Hightower, ripmo, etc. and if u put the x2 on it you’d definitely flip the climb switch because the x2 bobs way more than the dpx2. So I’m confused as to what you would like to see for a spec. And the xtr brakes are good enough for many ews riders so again I don’t know what u want for a spec... you rode the best shimano has to offer. Maybe a little too picky???? I think so.

  • @colbyblasenak1770
    @colbyblasenak1770 4 года назад +8

    Only review that knocked how it climbs...all other 20 plus reviews rave about it.

  • @LexZolnir
    @LexZolnir 4 года назад +8

    the internet hates the placement of your Garmin....arrrrgh! seriously: you are the first person, reviewer, alien from another planet that doesnt think this is the best climber in the category, perhaps of you ride it on the rt side of the trail you'll feel what we Yanks feel!

  • @obi-wankenobi9871
    @obi-wankenobi9871 4 года назад +19

    Suspension design is a balancing game, you cant have everything. Just flip the climb switch its not a lot of work.

    • @nicksknives7777
      @nicksknives7777 4 года назад +1

      No but it is a pain in the ass constantly trying take ur hands off the bars and fiddling for a swithch when riding.

    • @obi-wankenobi9871
      @obi-wankenobi9871 4 года назад +2

      @@nicksknives7777 How many times a ride do you flip your climb switch?

    • @nicksknives7777
      @nicksknives7777 4 года назад +1

      @@obi-wankenobi9871 on my trance very little it feels kinda harsh even in the middle of 3 settings. I usually set it and forget it to open.

    • @peaohvee1784
      @peaohvee1784 4 года назад

      climb switches are a pain in the butt. it was a nightmare to even get to on my marin hawkhill (sold now) it seems like a little thing but its very nice not having to hit the climb switch

    • @leebdj1949
      @leebdj1949 2 года назад

      Lol mine climbs with unnoticeable bob, and awesome power transfer. And that is in the open position. I never feel the need to flip to firm position just to climb because the difference isn’t really noticeable. The dw link design stiffens more as the climb gets steeper, when you need to mash the pedals harder. Maybe if I was doing a longer, smoother, lower grade climb, I’d flip it to firm and lock out the fork….a long point a-b climb before opening everything up and shredding down.

  • @michaelm1105
    @michaelm1105 4 года назад +29

    First review that did not rave about climbing ability. Interesting.

    • @nafnaf0
      @nafnaf0 4 года назад +1

      Yeah, I want to see how it compares to the Yeti SB130. The SB130 climbs incredibly well

  • @adrianw3985
    @adrianw3985 4 года назад +10

    Pivot is in my home state of Arizona... I would love one of their bikes, but man they are serious money.

    • @nafnaf0
      @nafnaf0 4 года назад

      I can't wait to demo it around PHX, or on Mt. Lemmon

  • @Michiulim
    @Michiulim 4 года назад +9

    How can you run a coil when the air shox needs to be very progressively tuned? Most coils are linear and presuppose a progressive frame design.

    • @peaohvee1784
      @peaohvee1784 4 года назад

      the linkgage curve is proggressive

  • @markhomiak6966
    @markhomiak6966 3 года назад +2

    Wow. I've never heard such negativity for this bike from anyone.

  • @jamessharp3785
    @jamessharp3785 4 года назад +4

    I demoed a switchblade today on my local trails. Some of the points made I'd agree with ie cable rattle!.
    I found the bike climbed really well! Once you point it downhill it's a very capable bike for only having 142mm of rear travel... It will easily keep up with 160mm "enduro" bikes.
    Very impressive high end bike and a supremely well made frame.. Well done pivot

  • @pdadv77
    @pdadv77 4 года назад +13

    doesn't climb well? Sounds like the suspension set up wasn't done proper.

    • @tonyripper111
      @tonyripper111 4 года назад +2

      I second that comment!
      I have the 2020switchblade and it climbs so well.

    • @mclurebailey6652
      @mclurebailey6652 3 года назад +1

      I third that- Riding the switchblade it climbs like a short travel bike!

  • @davidknight754
    @davidknight754 4 года назад +13

    It's the right one for me. I've had mine for about 3 weeks now and love it. I find it very easy to climb, btw. I don't have tons of bikes to compare it to, but I certainly don't experience this an issue. I have the Pro XT/XTR build. No cable rattle and the brakes are awesome. I suspect the build of your demo wasn't done very well.

    • @VredesbyrdNoir
      @VredesbyrdNoir 3 года назад +3

      Same, I ended up with with Pro XO1 build and it climbs anything. Code RSC brakes are fantastic as well.

    • @jennyzarzuela4155
      @jennyzarzuela4155 2 года назад +1

      Same! Climbing is primo and no rattle and I have the same build.

  • @RyuMoto
    @RyuMoto 4 года назад +6

    Versus the Ibis Ripmo?

  • @shortchainstays8762
    @shortchainstays8762 4 года назад +7

    It will depreciate faster than bitcoin

    • @titiand
      @titiand 4 года назад +2

      lol. yeah I would never buy a mountain bike for an investment. It's a healthy, joy inducing, fun machine!

  • @Pienimusta
    @Pienimusta 4 года назад +4

    Overpriced AF
    Are those brake and pad problems universal or bike specific?

  • @pikusplin1
    @pikusplin1 4 года назад +2

    Sound like your demo had a pretty bad build, i've been riding a Firebird 29 XTR team for a year now and apart for the ocassional bleeding the brakes have performed flawless and BTW i have never been bothered by the rattle of the brake pads, just my toughts

  • @Varaxis
    @Varaxis 4 года назад +2

    With the pedal that centered under midfoot, it's like you're pushing the saddle back at least another 60mm, which is like 5 degrees of STA worth.

  • @phantasma2323
    @phantasma2323 5 месяцев назад +1

    This guys the worst reviewer ever

  • @Pajaroloco_Trips
    @Pajaroloco_Trips 4 года назад +2

    Had a mach 5.5 . Snapped it 3 times enduro ridding.
    Idk about this bruh haha
    I wouldn’t recommend it lol.

    • @alvinyu8300
      @alvinyu8300 4 года назад

      agustin alvarez you wouldn’t recommend mach 5.5?

    • @panhandlemtb4308
      @panhandlemtb4308 4 года назад +1

      Sounds like he wouldn’t recommend any pivot!

  • @tdrDayz
    @tdrDayz 4 года назад +1

    Do we need to "bridge the gap"? 🤔🤣 new bike category 👉 TRAIL+ (plus) 🙄😆

  • @amjazzg
    @amjazzg 4 года назад +1

    The only thing I agree is the rattling brake cables .. I know I own one ..everything else is BS .

  • @TrailBikeMike
    @TrailBikeMike 4 года назад +9

    Not sure there are many scenarios where you can say this, but save your money and buy a Yeti SB130 instead.

    • @colbyblasenak1770
      @colbyblasenak1770 4 года назад

      So you can use the unlimited frame warranty? Snap!

  • @christopherlee4817
    @christopherlee4817 4 года назад +1

    I’m seriously considering going to my local bike shop and ordering a green one in the XT build today. Great riding in the review!

  • @tobiasstamenkovic9628
    @tobiasstamenkovic9628 4 года назад +1

    Man, i wonder what kinda stuff their product manager is smoking...

  • @tlf.
    @tlf. 4 года назад +9

    My god..... that's expensive af

    • @Luke-gs1lt
      @Luke-gs1lt 3 года назад +2

      Nothing like the S-works price

  • @abassi1173
    @abassi1173 4 года назад +5

    I’d rather have code RSC’s or Saints on a bike that expensive...the Code will definitely have better modulation and consistent bite point.

    • @lamefart
      @lamefart 4 года назад +1

      Have you tried the new 4-pot Shimanos from SLX to XTR?
      EWS riders chose those XT/XTR over Saints...

    • @skinnybricks
      @skinnybricks 3 года назад

      You can get them with the x01 build $6300 iirc

  • @jayswavely6371
    @jayswavely6371 2 года назад

    Bite point changes are typically due to air in the system. The pad rattle can be fixed by different pads. I love Shimano systems. So. I'm biased, but you may like SRAM. Switchblade is bank but maybe the best trail bike on the planet.

  • @polystyrene_gangster
    @polystyrene_gangster 4 года назад +1

    Spending this much on a bike that you might wreck at any moment just because of what you do with it.

    • @edensgardenshed9622
      @edensgardenshed9622 Год назад

      I wreck every other time i ride and these bikes in carbon are tough never had one break.

  • @macendy1
    @macendy1 2 года назад

    such a blasphemous amount of money for a bike with rattling cable routing? i would not even want a demo ride. there is just no excuse for it. on any bike really.

  • @HamzaFaruqui
    @HamzaFaruqui 4 года назад +6

    How is mine the first like? This is a great vid

    • @bikeradar
      @bikeradar  4 года назад +5

      Congratulations! Have a heart and one billion gold stars from your friends at BikeRadar.

  • @furion..
    @furion.. 4 года назад

    "The Tiny Tiny Switchblade..." 0:33 - lol, I had to play it 4 times before I stopped wondering why you were calling it "Tiny". It's "2020" - lol!

  • @jerryx2000
    @jerryx2000 4 года назад

    All those negative points at this price point is ridiculous

  • @andyc5612
    @andyc5612 4 года назад

    It’s upgrade time in my stable, and this is definitely on the list. But as a frame only build. All the reviews says it’s a great frame, so why not outfit a frame yourself. That way you get the best outfit for you.

  • @ssjj9584
    @ssjj9584 4 года назад +2

    I wouldn’t want this bike for rocky rough terrain, or steep terrain. Rather have an enduro that’s so much more comfortable at speed and rough terrain. Enduro bikes these days peddle well also. This bike and geo seems still in the moderate “trail” category. If you are going to by this to ride rough terrain at speed why get beat up if you don’t have to. It’ll just wear you out. And 9k????

  • @stefankuhnen6305
    @stefankuhnen6305 4 года назад +1

    How does it compare to the NEW Ibis Ripmo v2?

    • @christopherlee4817
      @christopherlee4817 4 года назад +1

      Stefan Kühnen MTB yum yum has series of top notch reviews of these bikes.

    • @RyuMoto
      @RyuMoto 4 года назад +1

      I'd like to know this against the Ripmo as well please

    • @pdadv77
      @pdadv77 4 года назад

      The Switchblade feels like a stiff brute compared to the Ibis being more poppy, and stable descending. I think aggressive riders might like the Switchblade but for most riders the Ibis is a more enjoyable ride.

  • @stevenleung9589
    @stevenleung9589 3 года назад

    Are you doing a Trail 429 review?

  • @bigwangmark
    @bigwangmark 4 года назад

    Nice looking bike but not at that price point.

  • @nl3712
    @nl3712 4 года назад

    HOW MUCH????????

  • @caperider1160
    @caperider1160 4 года назад

    How would this bike compare to a yeti 5.5?

    • @x3r0x0ul
      @x3r0x0ul 4 года назад

      My wife has the Switchblade XT/XTR build, which is in a really good place in their line-up. It's about 6700 out the door with a respectable set of parts. I ride an SB5.5 and I've tooled around on hers a couple of times (it's too small for me, so maybe take this with a grain of salt). The Switchblade feels really planted and the geo puts you over the BB on steeper climbs, so it does feel like a better climber than the 5.5. I don't know about the descending capability, as taking a smaller bike like this on big descents would be a bad choice on my part. My wife, though, has gained an entirely new level of confidence since throwing a leg over this bike. I'm going to be switching to the Switchblade sometime this winter, and I'll be going with the same build she has. It's a fantastic bike.
      **It comes with DT Swiss M1700's, so I'll likely get a pair of i9 305's with Hydra hubs instead...maybe more for the bling-factor than any real performance gain. I run the 54t ratchet on my DT Swiss rims (which the 1700's can accept as well) and can't imagine a higher engagement hub would make that much difference...but they're just so pretty!

    • @glassbarrel
      @glassbarrel 3 года назад

      @@x3r0x0ul ive rode a 54t ratchet and Raceface Vault. RF is twice the engagement but I didnt feel like it was enough of a difference to get me to open up my wallet over. I liked the 54t alot.

  • @siffoine
    @siffoine 4 года назад +1

    Why do I care if my frame feels the same as a different size frame that is not mine?

  • @jen3800
    @jen3800 4 года назад +1

    i don't know how you guys don't wipe out on those trails , man. i would crash for sure. the roads keep twisting, they are narrow and the surface is unpredictable. i'll stick to asphalt ! bravo, though.

    • @JogBird
      @JogBird 4 года назад

      people crash all the time, the sponsor prob not allow them to show crashes

  • @lilblaster22
    @lilblaster22 3 года назад +2

    Trump 2020!!!

  • @jen3800
    @jen3800 4 года назад +6

    overpriced, incompetent build. wow.

    • @coldforgedcowboy
      @coldforgedcowboy 4 года назад +3

      When you are running XTR you are placing an emphasis on weight savings which comes at a price.

  • @rstrakovsky
    @rstrakovsky 4 года назад +3

    Thorough review, this bike appeals to me but in theory, but it seems to have a few too many glaring issues for something at that price point. So many dialed bikes on the market right now, Pivot might have a hard time moving these.

    •  4 года назад +1

      Just the Shimano build there are no issues with their top Sram build. The bike is awesome the one I rode was 28 lbs it does everything so good!!!

    • @rstrakovsky
      @rstrakovsky 4 года назад

      @ Glad to hear it, definitely a contender!

    • @nicksknives7777
      @nicksknives7777 4 года назад +2

      They are 95% sold out in the us once u ride one you'll understand very stiff solid bike.

    • @spiffpilot2589
      @spiffpilot2589 2 года назад

      Perhaps the most ignorant comment here.

  • @malcolmsmit5243
    @malcolmsmit5243 4 года назад

    Pivot has so much promotion with so much boasting its like enough already for a basic average middle of the road design. Its no IBIS or Yetti that's for sure. always such a freaking brag fest.

    • @deanemberley2333
      @deanemberley2333 4 года назад +4

      Please explain in detail why you made this comment ? Back it up

    • @colbyblasenak1770
      @colbyblasenak1770 4 года назад +1

      No its not a yeti...the frame hasn't broken yet.

  • @MrSmith-ty6ov
    @MrSmith-ty6ov 4 года назад

    No way, too much money. Go consumer direct.

  • @lamefart
    @lamefart 4 года назад +3

    Whoa! A Switchblade that doesn't climb well? That's new... 😳

  • @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
    @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 4 года назад +3

    10k and Pivot can't be bothered to put a noise dampening sheeting around the internal cables? Jokes