There is so much more to being a good horseman than many of us are aware of. The education I am getting from your channel is immeasurable. I have never owned a horse but have ridden for many years and no one ever explained the differences a horse goes through physically due to all the things you have mentioned. It only proves you are never too old to learn. Thank you.
He shouldn't! That wasn't reassuring. I thought you throw a blanket pad on and boom the saddle and you ride! I'm so impressed that you're taking the time to custom fit for comfort and protection of the horse. I love it!
I always learn so much from your videos. I have had saddle fitting explained to me before but never with this much detail. I tend to understand and apply learning better when the 'why' is included. I appreciate that you explain and demonstrate 'why'. Thank you, Tim!
Thank you so much for educating the horse world with so many informations put in frame, many-many details on many different topics. Listening to you with great pleasure. A horsewoman from Hungary.
I do a similar padding on my 29 yr old gelding but I put the build up pad on top of the regular pad. I think it helps the regular pad breathe and absorb sweat.
It'd be really interesting to see how his back shape changes as he muscles up and if you have to make any adjustments to what saddle you use/how you pad it as he continues in training with you! I'm currently (slowly) conditioning my hard-to-fit gelding for endurance and am waiting to get him a custom saddle for the exact reasons you mentioned. Reportedly he broadens out a lot when he's fit.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingA couple comments on treeless saddles. I have a Tuend treeless saddle made in Italy. It’s by far the most comfortable and secure feeling saddle I have ever ridden in. After hours of hard trail riding I was never sore and I have very little padding on my backside lol. The leather and workmanship are incredible. There is a genuine sheepskin pad with suede on one side that came with the saddle. The underside of the saddle itself is also thick genuine sheepskin. It’s neither English nor Western exactly but it does have a Western rigging for the cinch and English leathers and stirrups. Since it molds to the horse, there is no need for shims or half pads etc. Unfortunately this brand of saddle is no longer made. The close contact lets you feel exactly what the horse is doing, which in some cases may save you from a wreck. As far as my horse’s comfort, which is the most important issue, I am on my second Perch X QH mare. Both are extremely round big barreled and do not have prominent withers. They are very wide. They have extremely comfortable gaits. My saddle fits both perfectly. I understand the concept you mentioned of weight distribution. I am however only 115 pounds. When I am done riding there are no dry spots whatsoever under the saddle, no ruffled hairs, no hint of sore backs. I rode the first mare very heavily over 10 years and she was never sore. We rode judged trail rides over all kinds of hills etc. in Virginia and we also did occasional Hunter shows or fox hunting or even parades. I am not recommending that the treeless saddle is for everyone. Not for heavier riders , nor beginners who are more likely to bounce around on the horse or lean excessively. It would be very hard for me to go back to a treed saddle now. As a bonus, my saddle weighs 8 lbs, where some of your typical Western saddles are 20-30 lbs. So do you still think in my situation that the treeless saddle is unacceptable?
G’day Tim & Co ;-) Thank you so much really appreciate you sharing all your intelligent knowledge with us, lots of great comments too. I assume you’ve got a lot of different styles of saddles, full bars 7/8s and differing rigging, short rounded skirts and squares. Would love more tutorials on what equipment works for the particular body type and why.. Keep up the excellent work training and enlightening the world! With many source blessings with truth clarity love light laughter happiness joy fun play creativity adventures abundance wisdom wealth and may peace be with you all! Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 xoxo 😘
Saddle fitting can really be a nightmare if you have one of " those" hard to fit horses and from reading other places it seems many struggle to find a saddle that fits . I have never seen that small pad you used but it sure worked well for the horse in the video. Another good saddle fit video. You have several good ones for viewers to see and learn from.
Curious question. You said you don’t like the treeless saddles but what are your thoughts on riding bareback? Not constant but just maybe during winter and until the horse is more fit. Thanks love your methods and videos.
I think bareback riding is great for the rider to develop balance but it's generally not great for the horse. Not so much because not spreading the weight but because it takes an extremely good rider to keep the horse in frame bareback.
Hi Tim and crew. I am loving your videos especially your "boring ones". My newest horse and I are on a journey that will hopefully take us to western dressage. I am transitioning from the hunter world so some things are familiar but some are totally different. Your videos are such a big help. My question is, and maybe you have done a video on this, but how do you clean your everyday saddle pads. I struggle with that. Hunter people just use the washing machine!😃 Thank you again for what you do!
Thanks for the video and sharing your knowledge. How will you go about building the muscles he lacks? I really enjoy your videos. Ansie Jonck Greetings from South Africa.
Please Tim where can I purchase this small pad .? The only similar pad i have been able to find is an english half pad . Just does not mold to the back at all.
Re: treeless saddles. I don't believe molding to the horse's back is the point of a treeless saddle. The structure or foundation -- what would be the bars in a treed saddle -- has enough flexibility to move with the horse when the horse moves. In order to do that, there's obviously some give, but the best treeless saddles are not glorified bareback pads that collapse under the weight of the rider. They have a lot of structure, so the rider's weight is still spread out to some extent.
I’ve asked several saddle makers about ruffled hair and no one could give an answer. You said it is caused by pinching. How would you eliminate the pinching in the shoulder area?
I worked with harness horses, but I’d like to know. What is the average cost of a saddle? I suppose more leather etching and luxury horn would cost more. Thank you.
Handmade? Right around $7,000 with some tooling. But really, the sky is the limit. Factory stuff? $3,000 & up. Of course, used is somewhat less, if you can find what you need.
I have a 4 1/2 year old cow bred QH mare. My saddle isn't fitting correctly on her. She has ruffled hair on each side of her whithers about the size of soft balls when I remove it. I have not looked for a new saddle yet because i know she is not fully grown. At what age would you considered the best age to look for a saddle that fits assuming she doesn't grow into this one? Or what adjustment can be made for now?
Usually I try to wait until they are 5 which you are close. That ruffled hair Usually comes before white spots. I'd try different pads or another saddle if you have it temporarily.
Haha totally guessed wrong on his breed. There are quite a few draft/quarter horse cross around here usually percheron/quarter horse cross. They seem pretty level headed an calm.
The tree is “bridging”. Hopefully the horse will build muscle and fill that middle area BUT as Tim said this added shimming is temporary. If you have an older horse or one who cannot be muscled up then the saddle bars must be fitted with more “rock” in the bars. I have 45 years of experience in endurance riding and I’m a trained saddle fitter and Tim is completely correct in his assessment of what to do with horses in time and according to what you are doing with the horse and how often you keep them in shape, performance or not. And it never ends…😂 just when you think you’ve got the saddle fitting issue whipped another horse shows up for training that will show you you’ve got more to learn about it. I own over a dozen saddles and I bought a new mare that is only 15 hands and she’s stout! After trying everything I had that was a wide turned out she took a double wide draft tree! Changed her whole attitude. I don’t think anyone ever fit her properly in her life. Now she wants to work and be ridden, she’s happy! And so am I.🤠
@@livesoutdoors1708reasons I will never buy a custom saddle with a tree made for my horse. Horses bodies change over time like ours and add conditioning in whole new ball game. One of my horses is 15.2 and 1400 pounds. He's a QH, registered and DNA, but I swear he's a throwback wears a #2 shoe lol. Anyway I struggled to find a saddle that fit him. Luckily, I have a 50 year old barrel saddle made for bulldog types that fits well.
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There is so much more to being a good horseman than many of us are aware of. The education I am getting from your channel is immeasurable. I have never owned a horse but have ridden for many years and no one ever explained the differences a horse goes through physically due to all the things you have mentioned. It only proves you are never too old to learn. Thank you.
He shouldn't! That wasn't reassuring. I thought you throw a blanket pad on and boom the saddle and you ride! I'm so impressed that you're taking the time to custom fit for comfort and protection of the horse. I love it!
I always learn so much from your videos. I have had saddle fitting explained to me before but never with this much detail. I tend to understand and apply learning better when the 'why' is included. I appreciate that you explain and demonstrate 'why'. Thank you, Tim!
Me too! I need the why to process it and make any use of it.
@@thedirtprincess3293same here!
Good morning guys, Agree with other comments.Thank you for video Tim,😄
I can ride a bit but never had my own horse. Therefore I’m not very wise about tack. Fascinating info.
I always enjoy the close ups of the various equipment you use and discuss. You're a born teacher. Thank you.😊
I agree!
Hi, you are doing a good job on the horse 🐎
Thank you so much for educating the horse world with so many informations put in frame, many-many details on many different topics.
Listening to you with great pleasure.
A horsewoman from Hungary.
I do a similar padding on my 29 yr old gelding but I put the build up pad on top of the regular pad. I think it helps the regular pad breathe and absorb sweat.
Once again, excellent info, and thanks for your time put into making these videos!
Can't believe how much I am learning! Thanks for doing this.
It should be possible to take a 3-D scan of a horse and print bars or pads for the saddle that exactly fits the horse.
I haven't heard that before but it should work.
It'd be really interesting to see how his back shape changes as he muscles up and if you have to make any adjustments to what saddle you use/how you pad it as he continues in training with you! I'm currently (slowly) conditioning my hard-to-fit gelding for endurance and am waiting to get him a custom saddle for the exact reasons you mentioned. Reportedly he broadens out a lot when he's fit.
I try to remember to do a video on that before he goes home.
@@timandersonhorsetrainingA couple comments on treeless saddles.
I have a Tuend treeless saddle made in Italy. It’s by far the most comfortable and secure feeling saddle I have ever ridden in. After hours of hard trail riding I was never sore and I have very little padding on my backside lol. The leather and workmanship are incredible. There is a genuine sheepskin pad with suede on one side that came with the saddle. The underside of the saddle itself is also thick genuine sheepskin. It’s neither English nor Western exactly but it does have a Western rigging for the cinch and English leathers and stirrups. Since it molds to the horse, there is no need for shims or half pads etc. Unfortunately this brand of saddle is no longer made.
The close contact lets you feel exactly what the horse is doing, which in some cases may save you from a wreck.
As far as my horse’s comfort, which is the most important issue, I am on my second Perch X QH mare. Both are extremely round big barreled and do not have prominent withers. They are very wide. They have extremely comfortable gaits. My saddle fits both perfectly.
I understand the concept you mentioned of weight distribution. I am however only 115 pounds. When I am done riding there are no dry spots whatsoever under the saddle, no ruffled hairs, no hint of sore backs. I rode the first mare very heavily over 10 years and she was never sore. We rode judged trail rides over all kinds of hills etc. in Virginia and we also did occasional Hunter shows or fox hunting or even parades.
I am not recommending that the treeless saddle is for everyone. Not for heavier riders , nor beginners who are more likely to bounce around on the horse or lean excessively.
It would be very hard for me to go back to a treed saddle now. As a bonus, my saddle weighs 8 lbs, where some of your typical Western saddles are 20-30 lbs.
So do you still think in my situation that the treeless saddle is unacceptable?
G’day Tim & Co ;-) Thank you so much really appreciate you sharing all your intelligent knowledge with us, lots of great comments too.
I assume you’ve got a lot of different styles of saddles, full bars 7/8s and differing rigging, short rounded skirts and squares.
Would love more tutorials on what equipment works for the particular body type and why..
Keep up the excellent work training and enlightening the world!
With many source blessings with truth clarity love light laughter happiness joy fun play creativity adventures abundance wisdom wealth and may peace be with you all! Victoria Australia 🇦🇺 xoxo 😘
Thank you. Excellent information.
Saddle fitting can really be a nightmare if you have one of " those" hard to fit horses and from reading other places it seems many struggle to find a saddle that fits . I have never seen that small pad you used but it sure worked well for the horse in the video. Another good saddle fit video. You have several good ones for viewers to see and learn from.
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Very interesting, I always wondered if saddles did not always fit.
Curious question. You said you don’t like the treeless saddles but what are your thoughts on riding bareback? Not constant but just maybe during winter and until the horse is more fit. Thanks love your methods and videos.
I think bareback riding is great for the rider to develop balance but it's generally not great for the horse. Not so much because not spreading the weight but because it takes an extremely good rider to keep the horse in frame bareback.
Absolutely love it!
We had 2 different saddles for my horse, depending on the season😅
Most riders don't realize how much a horse's body changes during the year.
Hi Tim and crew. I am loving your videos especially your "boring ones". My newest horse and I are on a journey that will hopefully take us to western dressage. I am transitioning from the hunter world so some things are familiar but some are totally different. Your videos are such a big help.
My question is, and maybe you have done a video on this, but how do you clean your everyday saddle pads. I struggle with that. Hunter people just use the washing machine!😃
Thank you again for what you do!
Please Tim where can I find that small filler pad your using. I think that my Haflinger cross MR Nickers could benefit from one . Thank you. Susan
I bought it used somewhere and there is no name on it. It has been very handy.
Thanks for the video and sharing your knowledge.
How will you go about building the muscles he lacks?
I really enjoy your videos.
Ansie Jonck
Greetings from South Africa.
You will see how I do it in his videos that I put out. This horse's next video will be out tomorrow.
Please Tim where can I purchase this small pad .? The only similar pad i have been able to find is an english half pad . Just does not mold to the back at all.
I found this one used somewhere. Don't know the brand.
@@timandersonhorsetraining thanks .
try a prolite pad. my teacher has one and its even more adjustable than this
Re: treeless saddles. I don't believe molding to the horse's back is the point of a treeless saddle. The structure or foundation -- what would be the bars in a treed saddle -- has enough flexibility to move with the horse when the horse moves. In order to do that, there's obviously some give, but the best treeless saddles are not glorified bareback pads that collapse under the weight of the rider. They have a lot of structure, so the rider's weight is still spread out to some extent.
www.therideout.co.uk/tips-and-tricks/a-guide-to-treeless-saddles/
very helpfull thx
I’ve asked several saddle makers about ruffled hair and no one could give an answer. You said it is caused by pinching. How would you eliminate the pinching in the shoulder area?
I worked with harness horses, but I’d like to know. What is the average cost of a saddle? I suppose more leather etching and luxury horn would cost more. Thank you.
Handmade? Right around $7,000 with some tooling. But really, the sky is the limit. Factory stuff? $3,000 & up. Of course, used is somewhat less, if you can find what you need.
Tooling changes the price but not much. A quality saddle nothing special will run $2,000 to $4,000.
Thank you. Very interesting.
Thank you for the time you spend on showing us your tricks & tools. I’m learning a lot.
What is thee name of the pad you put under the saddle pad.
I don't know, I bought it used somewhere.
Tim, would you consider a moon shaped girth for a horse that has a bit of a belly (if you don't have different rigging options)?
I have one and have tried it on several horse but hasn't really worked for any of them.
Horse is wondering what all this jammering is all about. Thinking should I be worried
Where is the link for the small pad underneath? I can’t find it in the description box
I don't have a link to it. I bought it used and can't read the name.
What is the breed?
Belgian/ Quarter horse cross.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I thought he looked part Belgian! I like to try and guess the new ones you get in for training.
I have a 4 1/2 year old cow bred QH mare. My saddle isn't fitting correctly on her. She has ruffled hair on each side of her whithers about the size of soft balls when I remove it. I have not looked for a new saddle yet because i know she is not fully grown. At what age would you considered the best age to look for a saddle that fits assuming she doesn't grow into this one? Or what adjustment can be made for now?
Usually I try to wait until they are 5 which you are close. That ruffled hair Usually comes before white spots. I'd try different pads or another saddle if you have it temporarily.
Thank you!
What is his breed....?
Belgian/ Quarter horse.
@timandersonhorsetraining Interesting! Looking forward to watching him change as he gets some miles on him. I had never seen this cross before!
Haha totally guessed wrong on his breed. There are quite a few draft/quarter horse cross around here usually percheron/quarter horse cross.
They seem pretty level headed an calm.
The tree is “bridging”. Hopefully the horse will build muscle and fill that middle area BUT as Tim said this added shimming is temporary. If you have an older horse or one who cannot be muscled up then the saddle bars must be fitted with more “rock” in the bars. I have 45 years of experience in endurance riding and I’m a trained saddle fitter and Tim is completely correct in his assessment of what to do with horses in time and according to what you are doing with the horse and how often you keep them in shape, performance or not. And it never ends…😂 just when you think you’ve got the saddle fitting issue whipped another horse shows up for training that will show you you’ve got more to learn about it. I own over a dozen saddles and I bought a new mare that is only 15 hands and she’s stout! After trying everything I had that was a wide turned out she took a double wide draft tree! Changed her whole attitude. I don’t think anyone ever fit her properly in her life. Now she wants to work and be ridden, she’s happy! And so am I.🤠
@@livesoutdoors1708reasons I will never buy a custom saddle with a tree made for my horse. Horses bodies change over time like ours and add conditioning in whole new ball game.
One of my horses is 15.2 and 1400 pounds. He's a QH, registered and DNA, but I swear he's a throwback wears a #2 shoe lol.
Anyway I struggled to find a saddle that fit him. Luckily, I have a 50 year old barrel saddle made for bulldog types that fits well.
Why did you say the saddle won't fit that horse next week ? ....
Because he will be building muscle and his body will change. Same as when we start exercising.