Shirley Turner : Dear Zachary
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Shirley Turner was never able to handle a breakup. When Andrew Bagby told her it was over, she decided that her best option was to kill him, but that wasn't the end of the story. After she found out she was pregnant with Andrew's child, things would get so much worse.
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The legal system killed that child, pure and simple. RIP Zachary.
He looked just like his dad.
The moment it was confirmed that Zachary was Andrew's child, I said to myself, "Oh God, please tell me she didn't kill the baby too". This whole case is horrendous. The pain that Mr and Mrs Bagby must have suffered is incomprehensible.
oh thanks for running to the comment section to ruin it for everybody else.
@@trustmesonimyourfather9097why would you even look at the comments before you watched 😂
@@coachstephdjfx uhhh that's the only way you can prevent yourself from getting click baited smart guy
@@trustmesonimyourfather9097 maybe don’t bit*h about it then. He never click baits.
@@trustmesonimyourfather9097You're full of it dude you don't never read the comments before you watch the show. That's what the comments are for to talk about the show. Sometimes I wonder about people
Dear Zachary, It is one of the SADDEST documentaries I've ever seen.
Yes I can't watch it again.
God yes. I remember watching it years ago and it just broke my heart in so many ways
I have watched this documentary several times and I cried for 2 days. How sad this is that a murder suspect has more rights than an innocent child
It changed me...
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As a Canadian, I am ashamed of my country's justice system. RIP Zachary.
So you'd rather them be like the US and just keep everyone locked up for months or even years waiting on a trial where there might be little to no evidence to find them guilty? I promise you that you don't. People here lose their jobs, their homes, their kids sometimes because they can't afford bail or because some investigator decided 5 minutes in that they think they did it. Sometimes there's no evidence to support this or even plenty of evidence that the person did NOT commit the crime and/or it points very strongly to someone else. Yet they get held anyway. What happened in this case was a relative rarity- almost no one who is in the middle of arguing extradition does what this crazy bitch did. However the circumstances I described in the US? Happens ALL THE TIME. You have to decide whether you want laws and procedure that might possibly allow a criminal to do something awful while waiting to be tried or laws and procedures that 100% positively keep innocent people locked away and ruin their lives waiting to be tried- and that second one can happen to anyone. You aren't safe because you're a woman or educated or have no criminal record or volunteer to spoon feed elderly people.
@@mommy2libras No one at any point mentioned the US justice system but you... Maybe give one of those mental health help lines a call, you seem really unwell.
@@LilybunI agree with you and that's why I didn't respond to her. She obviously doesn't understand. SMDH
And Andrew... She killed him too. 💔
@@mommy2libras You act as it doesn't count as time served. And screw her rights! What about Andrew's right to life? What about Zachery's?
No documentary has ever torn my heart out as much as this one. Kate and David are two of the strongest people I've ever seen. I wish them peace every day.
Beautiful people. We are all better because they exist. ❤
This is definitely one of them
This woman deserves the title of monster more than most. My heart breaks for the grandparents.
She’s very high on the list of top monsters
This case will always be INFURIATING! They knew she was a murderer but allowed their systems to favor her. She caused so much destruction without consequences 😡!
Narcissists excel at destroying everything and everyone around them
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There will always be consequences for our actions... especially on God's judgement day. Imo.
@@poorcollectibles4827 been waiting for god to do anything to quench evil... seems all he does is give his worshippers a reason to not take action. And thus, evil wins every day. Enjoy your doomsday cult tho.
I hope the judge who allowed her free TWO TIMES is haunted by his stupid decision, what a morron. I usually have compassion for people and their mental health, but this woman aside from being sick KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING, and I can't find within me to feel any compassion for her. so many opportunities to leave this child in someone else's care, her thought process of strapping her child and jumping to their death, is sickening.
I agree!
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Except that in the eyes of the law, she had so far done nothing wrong. I'm sorry that you don't actually believe people are innocent until proven guilty but that's your personal opinion. Judges make decisions based on the facts given and in the vast majority of cases, decisions like these keep people who don't deserve to be incarcerated out of prison while the rest of bureaucracy takes its sweet ass time. Being a crazy asshole isn't illegal- if it was we'd have at least a 50% higher incarcerated rate. And judges are paid to make decisions based on what is given to them by the state/lawyers, not to see the future. Of course no one is happy at the outcome of this case but it sounds like you'd prefer they change the laws and just keep everyone locked up simply because they're connected to the case somehow or some prosecutor believes they like them for that crime. These laws are already abused and plenty of innocent people ARE incarcerated for months, even years, awaiting trial only for the state to have nothing of substance to convict them on. And you've seen as many times as I have how often "detectives" foorm their opinion within minutes or hours and then spend their "investigation" period finding only what fits their theory and ignoring, sometimes even deliberately hiding, any evidence that does not.
We should be eliminating their judicial immunity. This judge made the wrong ruling based off personal bias, they should be held accountable for their decisions.
Psychopathy isn't an illness, it's a condition that hurts others. Though in every other sense of the word she was a sick b***h who had to have it her way even if it meant killing herself. She wasn't suffering from depression; she was suffering from malice.
the bagbys are truly some of the strongest people on this earth. i hate that losing both their son and grandson was the impetus for it, but the work they've done for child welfare, for children/family members of killers, for grieving families of murder victims, and just their community in general has been nothing short of amazing. i hope they have peace and happiness in their twilight years, they deserve it.
What was also so touching, and spoke volumes about the character of this loving couple is how Andrew’s friends make sure to visit them regularly and check on them. They don’t want them to feel like they don’t have any children. They truly appreciate the love they received from this beautiful couple while they were growing up alongside Andrew😢
What Shirley did was the ultimate form of control and getting back at someone. If I can't have them, neither can you. She knew this was going to kill those grand parents, losing their son, and then their grandson too, disgusting. The Canadian legal system is completely at fault here. They should have kept her in jail until her trial. She was proven to be a bad mother, and yet they handed over an innocent child to her, so sad, and what happened to that innocent baby was 100% preventable.
As a Canadian, this horrifying. I agree with you completely
@denisechristie I'm an American and I will ALWAYS be incredibly disappointed with our horrendous legal system and justice system but the Canadian legal system and justice system is, well, a clusterfuck.
This doc was the best / most heartbreaking docs I've ever seen 10 years ago and still til this day . I haven't heard anyone else ever cover it .
Thank you for all of the hard work ❤
It has been covered by others, but not this thoroughly. This one is amazing!
True Crime Obsessed covered it on their podcast a few years ago
You can't buy it, I thought this was in season one of monsters. Newfoundland is my home and the most deranged society abused by all nations as a door mat for natural resources. If you are born in Newfoundland expect a short life, of pain, because nobody is seeking progress.
I'm middle aged and I've also never heard this very sad and disturbing story before.
I wish I hadn't. 😭
I'm middle aged and I've also never heard this very sad and disturbing story before.
I wish I hadn't. 😭
Judges must do the time for the product of their negligence, criminality and corruption !
Jail to that judge today !
When I heard at the point Jiles said Shirley drugged Zachary, strapped him to her back, then jumped into the Atlantic Ocean, tears started streaming down my face. As a father to 3 young men and a grandfather to a toddler boy, my heart broke for Zachary, Andrew and his parents. I hope Shirley Turner is suffering immeasurably in the hottest depths of Hell! RIP Andrew and Zachary. 🙏🙏
I hope hell has an even hotter basement.
For anyone who hasn't watched "Dear Zachary" please take the time to do so, especially now that you've watched this. It will break your heart, make you angry and disgusted and leave you in such a state of empathy for all involved except HER. There are no words fitting for this monster.
I think that’s the reason I won’t watch it. This story is heartbreaking 😢. I hope she rots in hell!
Wait, where does one see it? Is it on RUclips?
I'm not sure I can take more of this sadness. I don't like denial of truth but am content to be wary of monsters without trying to understand the entire impact of their actions. This woman was deeply disturbed and would have left scorched earth behind every footstep. Even if she never became a murderer she would have destroyed every relationship she made. I cannot even say I am glad she's dead because her death included the murder of a child. No other word suites her more than Monster!
@@landroveraddict2457The documentary is _rough,_ to say the least. It's only going to make you angry, hurt and sad. I don't think you need to watch it after watching this video.
What breaks me the most is that the documentary was meant to be shown to Zachary when he was older :( then it turned into a memorial piece.
Unless you want to cry and be angry at a dead woman, there's no need to watch it. Don't feel bad for not wanting or being able to watch it 💓
It is one of the saddest stories Giles has told. So many missed opportunities, just terrible. @@PeachShortcake_
She didn't kill Zack, because she loved him so much or because she wanted to spare him growing up without a mother. She killed him, because she knew, that he would be happy and thriving without her. And maybe also, because she wanted to inflict more pain on Zack's grandparents. That woman is incredibly disgusting!
She left a wake of destruction behind her in every relationship.
I was NOT expecting this ending and it caught me off guard. So sad. What a complete failure of the ;legal system.
Thank you for all you do by bringing faces to the innocent Victims of these vile Monsters.
This is an absolute heartbreak.
I hope and pray in my heart of hearts
Andrew & Zachary are together. Forever.
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Thanks so much!
I HAVE NEVER felt such a STRONG emotional response to a video. I feel such a strong sense of rage !!!!! How tf could this happen?!!!! This is literally psychotic! I blame the courts and Canada’s “justice” (i use that term EXTREMELY loosely) system more than i blame Shirley!!!! When a monster shows you who they are, PLEASE BELIEVE THEM!!!!
you should check out the documentary "dear zachary"; top 3 most upsetting movies/documentaries/stories I've ever come across.
And read a dance with the devil by david bagby
Well said
Lol, nah, if you blame anyone more than the murderer, you're just wrong.
My sentiments exactly! This case is absolutely tragic and infuriating. I am not sure I could go on after the loss of one of my children. Then, to lose my grandson, the spitting image of the child I lost, would just break me. I pray for peace for the Bagbys.
I watched “Dear Zachary” when I was 5 months pregnant with my twins in 2016. I will never forget it. If you haven’t watched it, please do. I don’t know how to describe everything but please fight for your kids even if they’re 50 years. His parents. I don’t know how they carried on.
Thanks Jiles for doing this story. I just watched the documentary Dear Zachary and like most others, cried through out it. I can understand the logic of the Grandfather considering killing Shirley himself (although you’re right that we shouldn’t become a Monster in order to get justice) but I’m almost sorry he didn’t in hindsight. What an incredibly tragic story
@@Mataylor17 Good points and agree that if he did I’m not sure I would have considered him a monster. I don’t think we can compare these types of crimes (killing) to war times though. Every nation’s army during war time has had soldiers kill (not sure why specifically you mention Nazis as this was a German Political Party and like most citizens- the German people had to enlist. Not all soldiers in the German Army were Nazis or Nazi supporters). Every nation on Earth has committed atrocities during war time and a lot of war veterans suffered afterwards due to having experienced killing or seen and experienced deaths. No veterans anywhere are monsters but war certainly bought a few out from every nation including US, Japan and Britain
Oh man, THIS story... Dear Zachary made me start sobbing, and I almost never cry over this stuff. Those poor grandparents... The footage of the mom (in a skimpy 2 piece she's WAY too old for) "playing" with her son by bouncing that ball off of his face over and over again in the kiddie pool, like, you can tell she had no love and didn't know how to fake it even.
This broad was a practicing physician? That scares the hell out of me, for the general population but also my many relatives in Iowa! Thank you Giles, for another outstanding report. Much love from Southern California. 😊
It does beg the question, doesn't it? A great deal of people suffered at her hand so we can surmise she wasn't liked by her colleagues and patients. She harmed *everyone* around her bar none.
Please know that the medical profession though a caring profession is filled with bad ppl like any other unfortunately.
This story absolutely kills me. His poor, poor parents and that little baby. There's a special place in hell for this woman.
Thank you for covering this!! I watched Dear Zachary when it came out and my heart was shattered. 💔 Appreciate your content!!
I would love to see you do a deep dive on Scott Dozier. He got the death penalty in Las Vegas but ended up committing suicide after a ton of controversy. He also had a life sentence in Arizona and was wanted for murder in other states as well. It's a really wild case and I've yet to see any True Crime Channel make a video about him. I knew him before he got into all the trouble and I personally did time with him while he was in custody during his death penalty case. If you chose to cover it I can definitely provide you with some really good insight and information about him. If not it's all good but I would just love to see a video about him.
I find Scott Dozier very interesting...
@@kimeshareynolds2042 I'm currently trying to get a bunch of different True Crime RUclipsrs to feature him. Like coffeehouse crime that chapter disturban dire trip and a few others
@romanhlohowskyj try grizzly true crime. she actually responds to fans and loves first hand information that people send in
I’ll add him to my list. Thanks for watching!
@@pinkpugginz I will definitely add her to my list of RUclipsrs I'm trying to get to cover him. But it seems as though she only does current crimes. Even this is monsters is a stretch because of the way he does his seasons
This is one of the best documentaries I ever watched. I'm so glad you did a story on this. I hope I'm not about to cry my eyes out again like I did at the documentary. But this is a great great story so glad
This story made me so angry!!! She got away with murder twice!! She was a psychopath and the court system was blinded by her wit. What a shame!!!
It’s not that she was a single mother, it’s that she was a single mother due to her raging narcissism
But here being a single mother didn’t help tbh
So, it was because she was a single mother...
She didn't really raise her kids so was she really a single mother? She was a cowardly excuse of a women.
she wasn't even a single mother. She was an absent parent. Didn't care to have her kids around.
This case ripped my soul out of my body. First she kills a man that wants nothing to do with her because she can't handle rejection, something that life is full of but then she has the nerve to selfishly kill her son with herself because she didn't want the grandparents of the son that she ripped away so horribly to have him and give him the life he so desperately needed. My heart breaks for Andrew and Zachary. May they rest in peace and you are not forgotten. ❤
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We each have an opportunity to leave the world a better place before we go. Most of us never do. Zachary, in 13 months of his difficult life, punctuated with the profound love he shared with his grandparents, made the world a better and safer place for future children of violent parents. You have my gratitude for that dear Zachary. The same can be said for his grandparents, who negotiated with the murderer of their son to be there for their grandson. They were cheated badly out of what should have been a lifetime of fulfilling parenting, but took their experience and made a legacy. While it is devastatingly tragic, it is a beautiful love story. Never forget, we are on this planet for the blink of an eye in time. Whether 1 year, or 100 it is not really that much different, it is still the blink of an eye. The miracle is having had the ones we love here at the same time as us. That love is timeless, and it transcends life and death.
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What an evil woman! I hope the grandparents found some sort of peace! This is possibly the worst case I've ever heard! Worse than serial killers coz they kill strangers generally, and are sometimes mentally unstable, but this is a whole other level! To be so cold, callous and calculated , never mind cowardly! Oh boy Canada, you dropped the ball so badly!
From what Inunderstand, they do quite often.
That’s Canada for you. Their (in)justice system pats criminals on the head and protects them …it would be comedy if it were not so deeply tragic.
Shirley is without a doubt the worst of the worst.
If there is justice in the hereafter, I hope Shirley is rotting in the worst and most vile pit of Hell.
Amen. And may the people who allowed her to roam free feel the guilt on their conscience every day of the rest of their lives.
@@nyxspiritsong5557I hope that Andrew was reunited with Zachary and are at peace in heaven
I second that!
There isn't. This is a cruel, vicious, and unfair world. And, that's it. There's going to be many times innocent people suffer, and evil people triumph, as is the case here. There's no divine justice, no great equalizer after we die.
I actually take comfort in that. I was raised religious, that is to say indoctrinated from birth as most children are because adults abuse a child's inherent trust in their parents to do so, and constantly terrified of going to hell for things that are perfectly normal and natural. I don't live in fear anymore, and I don't judge others for being born a certain way as the majority of religious people do. But I also understand that life is very harsh, people are extremely flawed, and the bad guys often prevail.
If you do believe in god, then he must be rather apathetic to human suffering, for he never seems to intervene to stop said suffering, although he very easily could. And if you believe he is omniscient, then that apathy becomes outright malice. Your god sees innocent children suffer immeasurably, watches trafficking rings operate and natural disasters inflict unspeakable horrors, and does nothing. So either god is himself evil, or more likely, god does not exist.
I'm sorry for ranting, I'm rather sleep deprived and I tend to prattle on in this state 😅 But my point is, I dearly hope you try to make peace with things as they are, rather than how you wish they could be. I wish you the best.
@@WobblesandBean It's ok. I respect your beliefs just as much as most people. I just want to take comfort that there is somewhere after all this suffering is over. But I also believe we need to live here and now so we can find joy in the here and now.
Hope you get some good rest
This case in particular is so infuriating- I was extremely annoyed by Shirley and her manipulative demeanor after hearing her in the documentary...
Weird comment coming from a Satanist. Would have thought this behavior is the type of thing your into.
You heard her in it? Did she actually take part in this doc, or did he add video clips of her when making it? Or was he just talking about her & the case? I don't remember the year she killed herself along with that poor gorgeous son of hers. I believe it was said the doc came out in 2008. And of course with my horrible short term memory, I can't remember the year of the murder/suicide. It's just so incredibly tragic, I could never, ever, watch that documentary about this story. I think it would destroy me.
Sorry I fired off so many questions about it.
@@Julia-uh4li there are sound bytes included (from what I imagine were Andrew's parents recording everything in an attempt to gather evidence/keep record of what Shirley said)
Dear god, what was this woman doing, being allowed to be a doctor? ‼️
She's cold, heartless, obviously mentally disturbed, and violent
What we're these men seeing in her, that we can't??
She did not show her true self when she first started relationships, the same as any domestic abusive situation, they only show the side of them that is nice and loving, they wait until they have their victim hooked before they start the abuse. She sounds like she was a psychopath, not really caring for anyone but herself and what she wants, many doctors are psychopaths, but fortunately most psychopaths are not murderers.
@@janetpendlebury6808 I thought maybe she had borderline personality disorder since she couldn't deal with rejection.
I actually went out wirh a girl that looked so much like her and had the exact same character. She was really mean and the only way I could get out of there was with the help of the police. Everyone couldn't believe her audacity towards me and for how long I had endured her, but I lived out in the boondocks with no vehicle, so I was...or felt stuck so when it started getting bad that's when I called the police. Personally, I'm not sure how far would've gone, so yeah, the absolute worst girlfriend I've ever had and the scariest. She was really great at the beginning, but her character, true character, came apparent once I was settled in. Stuff of nightmares 💯🇨🇦
Happy to know you made it out, friend ❤
Dear Zachary is one of the most heart breaking documentaries.
The judge should be held liable
I couldn’t believe that this happened in my hometown. After a quick google search about the case, Andrew was a such a well respected physician with the Excela Health system and the scholarship fund in his honor is making such a difference in our community of Latrobe. A very tragic loss for the community and for the hospital system I work for
The documentary Dear Zachary affected me so much, I sent a message to the producers to express my feelings. I had never done this before and have not been moved enough to do it since. One of 5he best documentaries I have ever seen.
Wow. Did anyone ever respond to you??
Shameful, this shouldn't be acceptable in any country. Justice systems don't work in a lot of countries. My heart goes out to the grandparents who very clearly loved that dear little boy 💔
This lady is a monster in its truest form. I felt so bad for the grandparents in the documentary.
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Haha me too, lol 🤣
SomeWHERE sinister. Important to get these things right. This is Munsters.
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It's new. It's someone Sinister now
The dear Zachary documentary had me sobbing non stop 💔 this case is beyond frustrating and so heartbreaking. So glad you are covering it!
"But if we have to become monsters to get justice, is it really justice at all?"
Yes, ending the threat permanently is justice, it prevents future crimes from happening.
Which is what our legal system is supposed to do, so if we have to do it ourselves, it is not justice. It's vigilantism.
I saw "Dear Zachary", years ago. I never forgot about this case because that documentary really touched me. I highly recommend it, though it is deeply sad.
I remember this documentary! “Dear Zachary”and “there’s something wring with Aunt Diane” are two of the most heart wrenching and devastating hbo docs I have ever seen. Thank you for covering what happened to Andrew and his beautiful baby Zachary! I know Andrew is holding him in heaven, protecting him from sherry.
An entirely preventable tragedy if only the justice system did their damn job. Instead, they let an abusive & manipulative monster to do as she wishes because she knew she can get away with it.
RIP Zach & Andrew, you didn't deserve any of this. I wish the family would heal.
the documentary made me so mad i couldnt do anything for like 2 days after watching it for the first time.
I dont think killing shirley would have made him a monster, it would have made him a noble protector and a hero. I'd never vote to convict him if I was on the jury. I hope he'd sleep calmly at night knowing he removed evil from the world
Exactly. Killing an evil person does not make a person a monster. That's a soft mentality that only first worlders in the 21st century have the luxury to think.
This case absolutely tore my heart out
I can only imagine the pain those beautiful parents/grandparents have felt even after all these years
Just what I needed on this Monday morning here in South Africa 🇿🇦 - another great delivery from Jiles 😊
Dear Zachary blew my mind. I can't believe that the Canadian courts allowed Shirley to have full custody of that child after she unalived his father. Courts should have given full custody to the child's grandparents. Totally a shameful miscarriage of justice.
This story and "Garnett the Great" are two of the most heart breaking Jiles has ever covered. Thank you for sharing the victim's stories 💔
Incredible to consider that an emotionally immature and unstable person like Shirley was able to practice as a Doctor! Scary stuff! Condolences to Dr Andrew’s parents!🙏🏼💔🕊️
Psych studies show the most popular career choices for those with psychopathic traits are, in order: Corporate CEO, Medicine, Law Enforcement. They go for roles that fulfil their need for power, status & control.
Thanks Jiles - you’ve been putting in a super effort for months!
Zachary was not unconscious when he hit the water as a former detective, we call that a comping mechanism. My prayers go to the grandparents 🙏
😭 My parents used that same mechanism as I grew up. As a parent myself now, I understand, however, as difficult it may be, honesty (age appropriate, of course) is always better.
Omg thats so much worse 😢 I thought she'd given him something to knock him out?
I have put the documentary on my list to watch after work today. Thank you for all the great work you do!
Just be prepared to cry!
@@Yes_Anastasiayep! That’s what I was about to say. I don’t cry easily but that documentary got to me….especially Andrew’s parents/Zachary’s grandparents. Such a devastating case.
You are both right! I cried. What a beautiful documentary, but such needless deaths. My heart broke.
I'm glad this post has more ppl watching the Dear Zachary documentary done by his Andrew's best friend Kurt. It's so well done but my God did it hurt to watch it. I've never cried so hard or been so angry at something I watched on the internet.
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This documentary “Dear Zachary” stuck with me from the day I saw it years ago.
Wow getting spoilt with a longer video today. Hi to all the Aussie Monster Squad, you know the drill. Enjoy, much love from Melbourne Australia 🙏 🌏 💙
Hello, hello Cynthia! 💖
Mornin’ y’all! South Louisiana here!
Holy christ, man. Your narration definitely made this palatable. Watching/listening to true crime kinda builds up a persons ability to hear these things, but that was a gut punch and I didn't even live it. Those poor victims and the grandparents, man.
I originally saw " Dear Zachary " on Netflix a couple years ago, and by the end of the documentary, I was sobbing. The documentary was amazing, and extremely heartbreaking. This is the first time I have ever seen anyone cover this story on the RUclips platform. You did a tremendous job telling Andrew and Zachary's story. May they eternally rest in peace. 💐
Absolutely.heart.breaking. I am devastated for this poor, precious family. Simply AWFUL!!!!!! Bless them….. I’m just flabbergasted
Zach was so CUTE, he was like a clone of his daddy! What makes this so sad is the resemblance and personality of Zach was so much like his father, that it was almost as if his grandparents had been given their deceased son back. Until *that* happened.
Im sure you did this case justice, I love your content. I can't watch anything about this case without sobbing so I'm sitting this one out but you have my full vote of confidence. This is such a sad and infuriating story. Stories really. Cheers Mr. J
Same! I want to watch but this story is just really incredibly painful. And I don't even know the family, imagine their grief. But this story isn't covered often I only remember the documentary really.
@FionavanDahl there aren't many things I literally won't watch again. If you haven't seen 'Dear Zachary' I would watch this first to prepare yourself.
@racheloster9047 The documentary tore my heart out over and over. If I hadn't seen it first I would try to watch this.
The Bagby’s are the perfect example of good, loving, extremely intelligent and focused people. Their tolerance, used to benefit their grandson, was miraculous. How they coped, how they still do, is a mystery but that their son and grandson were in the arms of love and gentle relationships in life as well as for eternity is very beautiful. That woman will rot in Hell forever. God bless and hold Kate and David.
One of the stories that stayed with me for so long after I watched the documentary. Absolutely tragic.
Jiles, your last line. “If we have to become monsters to get justice, is it really justice at all?” It had me thinking, this applied to people like Gary Plauche, Bernie Goetz, the people of Skidmore, Marianne Bachmeier, Christopher Scarver, and anyone else taking justice into their own hands. As for Andrew Bagby’s murderer, she took the coward’s way out, escaping from justice but unable to save her reputation that was tarnished by the people who condemned her.
It's a difficult watch , but highly recommend the doc "Dear Zachary". I remember watching it in disbelief of the incompetence and extreme failure of the system meant to punish wrong doers and protect the innocent.
Shirley Turner meets the definition of a "monster".
She was a murderer who mentally tortured everyone she came in contact with. Shame on everyone who failed Zachary, his father and those who loved them.
Thank you for all your hard work! I’ve followed your channel for several years, and no other story has hurt my soul like this one, being the grandmother myself of two wonderful angels I cannot imagine going through something like this! I sobbed through the last part of the video, the way you narrate the events of what happened allows you to vividly feel what they went through! Once again thank you for bringing these stories to us!
Truly one of the saddest stories to date. The Canadian justice system is baffling. 🤦♀️
Extradition is an issue as we do not have capital punishment here. I have no idea if that was part of the extradition issues in this case, however.
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It absolutely was the issue in this case. The State she committed the crime in refused to take the Death Penalty off the table.
It wasn't just Canada. It was two nations in a pis'sing contest over the Death Penalty without considering all the factors at play:
Shirley being released and given custody despite the violent nature of the crime,
and the US State for being completely unwilling to take the Death Penalty off the table.
The political aspect of law & order overcame common sense.
This is a case of female privilege unfortunately
This story makes me cry just thinking about it. I remember balling my eyes out watching the movie the first time. That was before I had kids. Now I dont think I could even stomach it. What an angel. Too cruel that the world was robbed of his life, and the people who loved him have to suffer daily. Shirley got more than she deserved, even in death.
Good morning my beautiful sinister Munsters family I hope you're all having a great day
Hi fellow monster fam❤
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Mornin’ y’all! Fellow monster here from south Louisiana
R.I.P. you beautiful little boy. How can a women who was so smart in education and be such a monster at the same time, the world is much better off without this maniac but not without that dear little baby. my condolence's to Kate and David who did their best in trying to save that little baby, and my condolence's for you son Andrew. How strong you both are.
Lotta c00nts go into healthcare. Must be a way to fulfill their Karen-ish need for control.
Morning all from Maine!
Evening from Melbourne Australia 🙏 🌏 💙
This doc left a lasting impression on me,saw it years ago. His poor parents …. I apologize on behalf of all Canadians.
Thank you for all that you do. As sad as this an most all of these stories, they need to be brought to light, so that others can learn.
This was a well written and articulate commentary on the incident.
Really great work as always, Jiles.
Ohhhhh man....I know this one's gonna require the tissues....Dear Zachary is THE documentary that got me interested in true crime so many years ago... I'm so glad you are covering this and so heartbroken at the same time...such an insane, enraging, unbelievable case. If anyone reading this (maybe even before watching this video) hasn't seen Dear Zachary I implore you to go watch that documentary first!!! Then come back and watch this video! Not knowing the case while watching Dear Zachary....idk it hit HARD! It hit hard.
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Ps: "...but if we have to become monsters to get justice, is it really justice at all?" while I completely 100% understand what is being said here I also completely 100% don't think that David killing Shirley would in any world (I guess with hindsight of course) make him a monster.
The irony is that if David and Kate had just ignored baby Zachary, he would have been useless to Shirley and she would have probably dumped the baby on to them. You have to think like these people when dealing with them, although its hard.
Omg I was so not prepared for what happened to baby Zachary 😢 I had heard of the documentary before on multiple occasions, but hadn’t watched it yet. I just did not see that coming. How truly heartbreaking :( I feel so badly for Andrew’s parents. Idk how you overcome such soul shattering grief. They did absolutely everything they could & more to be there for their grandson after the loss of Andrew. To have their only grandchild taken from them on top of already losing their only child…I just can’t imagine the strength it must take to keep going everyday. My heart goes out to them. They seem like the most amazing people. So sorry they had to experience all of this. This really is a true life nightmare 😢❤ That horrible, evil MONSTER got off far too easy imo😡
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I remember watching Dear Zachary and crying my eyes out. Heartbreaking doesnt even cover it!
Always a good day when This is Monsters drops!
Thank you for covering this case, I saw the doc first, followed by David Bagby's book on his son, and its affected me ever since.
Jiles, I am so glad you are covering this heartwrenching story. I watched the documentary many times. Thanks for covering it from your amazing perspective!
The Dear Zachary documentary was absolutely brutal. "Mummy loves you." I won't say more, as my language is too poor to be able to eloquently say how I feel. His paternal Grandparents are the epitome of grace, and my heart goes out to them and theirs. Jiles, @thisisMONSTERS, again, a magnificent job addressing a truly heart breaking story.
That line always stuck with me too
@@Snoodles294 Having just reread this, it's back in my head again. Ugh. Best wishes to you and yours.
@carabiner7999 sorry about that. Same to you and yours
@@Snoodles294 Thanks! x
I'm not only Canadian, I'm also a Newfoundlander. My heart is broken and I bow my head in shame at the failure of the Justice System here. Dear Zachary, may you rest in peace in your father's loving arms. I'm so sorry, dear Angel!!😢
The doc on this had me in tears. I was angry and heartbroken. His parents were WARRIORS. I have an only child that's a son also. I couldn't imagine what I would do. The system failed a father, a son, and two loving grandparents. If u haven't seen the doc yet please be prepared to have all kinds of emotions and be extremely frustrated.
Excellent video. Sad case. And it's important to point out, this didn't happen because she was a mom (regardless how many kids or dads) or because she was older than him, this happened because she was nuts.
I see what you’re saying, but you couldn’t convince me this would have happened (in regard to the legal issues) if it was a male.
@@Inquisitor_Zama That's a good point actually, yeah. I think things would have likely planned out different too.
If you mentioned the documentary, I missed it. I think it deserves extra emphasis. It is a wonderfully loving documentary despite the horror and tragedy. And very well made. A true remembrance of Andrew's life and a tribute to his parents.
I sure did. Thanks for watching!
This is a horrific one.
Literally the case I cried hardest over and to have strangers mourn for this baby and his father I can’t imagine how much grief the actual family is under
Wow! Incredible story😢 you did an exemplary job bringing it out. I’ve never heard this one. The Bagby’s sound like beautiful people. Thank you for your hard work
This case crippled me. I am watching on RUclips on my iPad. I use Apple ear buds so I can still hear when I need to to another room momentarily. In this case, I went into the kitchen thinking how wonderful this would turn out w/Zachary being with his grandparents. As I was stirring some rice, I heard Jiles say what happened to Zachary. I gasped and my mouth fell opened. I was not expecting that. Tears abound.
What a monster she turned out to be. 😡 How could someone end her son’s AND Zachary’s father lives. 😢 Hate is a strong word, but hatred is what I feel towards this ultimate MONSTER 🤬 God bless angel Zach and his father. I am going to look up the “Dear Zachary” film. Thanks for the upload, Jiles. So heartbreaking. 😢
She has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and apparently also the right not to be extradited so she can go to trial and be found guilty... Good grief. 🤬
From personal experience due to seeing a family I grew up with lose thier son horrifically in the Greyhound beheading I can attest to how absolutely pathetic our Canadian justice system is. It favors the "rights" of the criminal instead of caring for the victims and it's just so messed up because if you can commit a heinous crime such as murder you don't deserve those rights in my opinion. May that sweet baby and Andrew rest in peace ❤
I agree. I was shocked to learn that Li was released so quickly. The details of his savage crime are beyond shocking. Last we heard he's still safely ensconced in Manitoba under a new name, Will Lee Baker, living free while Tim's family/friends, and the witnesses, have to live with the monstrous brutality and trauma everyday. It was actually scary riding a Greyhound after that.
That case haunts me. Guy was just riding a bus like like he had before, like millions of people do every day. And then he was murdered by a guy who happened to be on the same one.
I love your podcasts and every video you post! So well done and you are very likable. Keep them coming!
Just a note- in Canada, you don’t “take out” any of those refunds or cheques (you called them baby bonuses), they are automatically sent to you. You have to have filed taxes and meet the qualifications, but if you have done that, they will automatically be sent. She wouldn’t have had to do it under certain “pretenses”, anyone that has a child under a certain age, receives them. You get a certain amount for each child. There are certain ones that you cannot make over a certain amount a year, and still receive them, but they do the calculations from your filed taxes. Just thought you’d like to know.
I wrote this near the beginning of this video. I will add what a horrifying story. I am breathless.
I’m not sure if this is the season for this kind of case, but have you ever thought of doing an episode covering the Dnepropetrovosk Maniacs? Viktor Sayenco, and Igor Suprunyuk?
The story regarding these 2 men is one of the most outlandish and abhorrent cases I have ever come across. In less than a month, the duo viscously attacked 21 people killing 19 selecting their targets at random. The two killers are serving life imprisonment while an accomplice of theirs served 9 years.
You are hands down my favorite true crime channel, and your videos are the greatest thing to listen to on a long drive.
This has to be one of the most heartbreaking true crime case I've ever beard. 😢
So the Canadian courts give someone who happens to be hosting a group of cells that have the potential to become a baby more rights than a murdered victim and the victim's family and friends? It didn't even seem that it being the victim's baby played any part in the decision, just that it was any baby! How utterly sickening.