The problem is having 10 shadows amped Sukuna have inner monologue talking about “fearing death for the first time” then suddenly jump cut to Gojo slashed in half and stating “I don’t know if I could have beaten even regular sukuna” Don’t gaslight me lol
I mean maaaaaaaaybe gojo is unclear about how sukuna did that so possibly he’s like ehhh maybe he could’ve managed it regardless? It does sound really weird especially when sukunas explanation explicitly states he wanted an example to copy.
The only time Sukuna was EVER slightly worried in that fight is when Gojo was charging up that Amped up Purple. And that's because he was already weakened enough that it COULD actually kill him. Everything else in the fight Sukuna already knew how to handle and wasn't worried. He did underestimate Gojo at times and paid for it though.
I think that’s the best part. You see how crazy the community is going over this? The authors goal is to captivate readers into his story thus Gojo’s death was genius
@dominicwoodford5711 didn't even think about this but that's probably true. The amount of uproar has this chapter the talk of the town, especially for that reason.
His whole life he’d always been treated as the concept of “the strongest”, in the end Gojo‘s character comes full circle. Surrounded by loved ones he spends his final moments not as “the strongest”, but as Satoru Gojo, the human, friend to many, loved by many more
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж You mean Mahoraga. Gojo wiped the floor with regular old Sukuna. If I beat Magnus Carlsen in a chess match with Stockfish helping me out, that doesn't make me better than Magnus.
@justlurkin horrible exemple, sukuna fought mostly alone, mahoraga didnt give a speed dura strength CT or output amp, it was the opposite as sukuna had to take dumb damage and even held back even more than he was already to adapt mahoraga and even then weakned gojo and sukuna wher superior to him, he didnt even adapted in a way sukuna could use so sukuna itself had to figure it out on its own and decide what to do, so literally while helding back, restricted, and in a far weaker body than his old one still beated gojo, and tanking everything gojo throw at him, so no, sukuna>gojo, literally stated that even without 10 shadows sukuna>him😂so there's no point in arguing
@@giovannieriksandu2432Don't waste Ur time man. These gojotards are gonna come up with insane copium even after sukuna beat the allegations. Let him have their own idea. If they want to believe their opinion then they can don't waste Ur time
I really liked when Gege *told* us that Sukuna can beat Gojo even without TS, but *showed* us Sukuna not being able to beat Gojo using his techniques and completely relying on TS almost the whole fight
Actually Gojo says “he’s not sure if he could’ve won” and in another translation that” it would’ve been damn close” implying they are extremely relative and a fight could go either way. And we literally see sukuna’s domain expansion nearly killing Gojo on top of the fact that sukuna is apparently holding back in some manor soo….
@@brycenb2994 He emphasized on *could've. So Gojo is not sure that he would even have an ability* to defeat Sukuna. So Gojo would've just come close to Sukuna, but not enough to defeat him. Sukuna's domain wasn't even close to killing Gojo. He was not only surviving slashes but fighting Sukuna and landing attacks. Gojo on the other hand caught Sukuna in IV and knocked him out cold. And both times Sukuna was saved by Mahoraga. And after *showing* us all this, Gege expects us to believe that: "Oh, Sukuna didn't even needed TS, he would've won regardless"
thats not what he said. He said that he wasn't sure to be able to defeat sukuna, however same goes for sukuna who had no option to bypass infinity without TS. Without TS, this fight would have continued forever, since gojo can basically not run out of CE. At the end it was Mahorage who allowed sukuna to win.
@@Anorch-oy9jk that statement sets Gojo and Sukuna on the same level, but with Sukuna being slightly superior. Because why would he say "I'm no sure if I could've won" instead of "I could've won" or "I'd had a good chance" or etc. It emphasized on inability to win, instead of possibility of winning. Also rest of the chapter just reinforcers these negative undertones - "he wasn't going all out", "someone stronger than me"
@@seaweather I think sukuna didn't go all out because it was not a wise decision to do so. A fight against gojo is a strategic one and not a rough one like it will be against kishimo. The limitless is a very annoying CT and I suppose that even if you go all out, It won't make any difference unless you use domain amplification or w expansion. So sukuna had to fight passive and use mahoraga to figure out a possibility. I think gojo did give everything he had and it still wasn't enough to kill sukuna. Sukuna was patient and waited for his chance. So, personally I believe that the ten shadow CT made the difference in the fight. Close combat wise gojo was better, strategic planing wise sukuna was better. But sure, I think that makes sukuna a better sorcerer.
Respect to Sukuna, he will talk shit before and whilst fighting you, but by the end of the fight, if he sees you as strong he will commend you for that, such as with Jogo and right now with Gojo.
@@siniculeYou people have no critical thinking. They’re literally praising each other out of respect at the end of their fight. But we the audience know for a fact that Sukuna only has DE and 10s to actually get Gojo
I was disappointed by how much Sukuna relied on 10 Shadows during this fight instead of using his own abilities, but your explanation on why he did that makes a lot of sense. In hindsight, that improves the overall quality of the fight for me. Still upset that Gojo got off-screened though, 9/10 fight with a 1/10 ending.
All you would have witnessed is Gojo, after a blink of an eye, starts to cough blood, gets cut in half from his torso. Not only does this look unfitting but also removes the shock factor of it from the previous chapter. I know this personally because I was excited for the next chapter also a bit worried. Seeing Gojo see Geto was great, but Geto and Gojo were talking about things only their older selves would know meaning it wasn’t a flashback. Then Gojo starts hinting he died. But we haven’t seen it yet so it leaves the reader very worried while doubting Gojo is actually dead because of the last chapter and then it finally hits you. I find it very fitting he was off screened. Even his death now makes sense too and wasn’t just bs. Perhaps this makes it sound less bad? I was still mad about it later on when they described what happened in full detail and the binding vow. But that’s what makes it good. Gege knows how to play with emotions and give you false hope without it being necessarily bad writing.
Thank you for making a video on the chapter with out spoiling the outcome with your thumbnail and title like most of the RUclipsrs covering it are doing. You’re a real one six
@8:28 1. Additional damage done to Megumi's soul because he overexerted unlimited void 2. Even with Sakuna "weakened" he gave him an extreme buff 3. Geto's body is still being paraded around by a mysterious cursed brain 4. All the kids have to pick up the slack because of the adult AGAIN! 5. Although he said that he'd leave it to Shoko to handle, he never got a chance to tell Megumi about his Toji. Just boiling his last moments done to him having a good fight is what fans are talking about. He had a clear and direct mission with the intention of freeing his adopted student and all Gege could do was shit in him more to continue his efforts to make everyone not like this character.
And even if the explanation Six gave about why Gojo has nothing to regret made sense, the fact remains that Gojo said nothing about any of this. It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth because it feels like I'm meant to take away that Gojo suddenly doesn't care about his Students or Geto's body at all.
Also his point of that gojo drew a line between himself and others because he started to gojo on solo missions is just wrong. He started going on solo missions because he realized that he can't go all out when he has friends around. As kenjaku said, gojo is at his strongest when he is alone. He has no hindrance.
He believes in his allies , even he thought the win wasn't guaranteed , he believes that the rest can solve the problems even after his death and even told shoko to tell megumi incase he dies. Other reason is maybe all he wanted was satisfaction. Still it's hard to believe he died without regrets even if he thinks his students can solve the problems.
@@lorhengleap5300 But during the entire story Gojo is shown to care for his students and inspire them to be stronger. He saved 2 sorcerers from assassination because for 1 he cared for, and the other was a recommendation from his favourite adopted student. Gojo was mad with the higher ups when Yuji died because of them. He for sure cares about his students and in his afterlife him saying there is a emotional gap between him and others and he doesn't care creates contradiction. Also him dying did the same thing he hates, young people being burdened with the responsibilities of adults
This is a monstrous comeback! I *have* to give you applause. This is how content creators covering all things comics should handle these situations. For Gojo's survival, we should wait and see. You're right. The subtle way you addressed the fandom's obsession was extremely diplomatic and you earned stripes for that. Let the author write their story. It's supposed to cause an emotional reaction. That's what makes it a good story. Addressing the clues that were littered throughout gives you hella bonus points that other content creators didn't earn for themselves. A lot of jokes are going to stop now, and anyone who lambasted you before will likely drop the issue. It's true that you can't make everyone happy. But you're also not the author of the series. You can only work with the material you're given and maintain neutrality as you do so. The situation is ever changing. This conflict is already off the rails in the most Gege way. And we all know how Gege is. The harder we try to push the story in a certain direction, the harder he / she will troll us. You could turn this follow-up into a master class on how to cover this sort of material and recover from community backlash. Excellent work!
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Word. Six is the first I've observed taking this route. There are even bigger channels who took straight to turning on Gege, just fanning the flames. Sure, they're entitled to their opinions, but they're encroaching on libel, which could get them flagged for take downs. Taking a break to cool off was a big brain play by Six. We're not going to love everything along the way, but have to trust the author because that's who knows the ending. Even if Gojo somehow survives, this loss means something. But we have to wait for it to appear. I hope more content creators learn to follow this example - especially since he opened up the discussion even more in the process. He hit on something that I had said. Gojo would've seen the cursed energy flowing around Sukuna. Something unique happened that wasn't revealed by the black flashback panel showing a Cleave. Gege's being cryptic for good reason, and it's probably going to be important later on. I'm sure we're missing something big about Mahoraga that hasn't been revealed yet. Nothing says that Mahoraga can pass along it's adaptations, but nothing says that it can't. Also, Hollow Purple washes the detonation area in light before it explodes. Mahoraga can move through shadows, so shadows would've been everywhere when it vanished in those two panels from chapter 235. Those shadows can be on the underside of surfaces, which is how Mahoraga came through the floor on Gojo before. Mahoraga suspiciously took minimal damage from Reverse Red in the building. The panels suggest an adaptation to Limitless Blue, but didn't actually say that. It was worded deceptively because Infinity could've caused the badkfire, and Gojo disabled Blue when he intercepted Mahoraga anyway. Also, Blue hit Agito but didn't actually hit Mahoraga at all. Mahoraga was instructed to adapt to Infinity when it was taking damage from Lapse, and it can only adapt to one type at a time, so it couldn't adapt to Blue while adapting to Infinity. All of this makes for a strange combination. When Gojo's arm was cut off, I don't think the model was completed in a way that Sukuna could use. Otherwise, he could've ended Gojo at any time after that. But he waited despite having numerous opportunities. Why? He used Piercing Blood at the end when he had Gojo in perfect position to Cleave him. Why get boomed by the Hollow Purple anyway? Something is missing. So, Six making sure to question how was the right way to go. I bet Gege wants us asking questions.
@@JimmyCrackorn not sure what youtubers youve been watching but there are plenty of big JJK ones that have been open minded with the out come from understanding how Sukuna pulled off cleave to the meaning of the "dream" and accepting Gojo off screen. They didnt mention any distaste with Gege simply that the outcome wasnt what they expected. Ive been watching various types for this chapter 236 from Gojo being dead to Gojo coming back to break downs from the fight to how the students will rival Sukuna. Theres a much better understanding now that we have had the full translation instead of leaks alone. We can say Gojo is officially dead, the students can learn something from observing Gojos fighting techniques and yes Gojo dialogue and off sceen was shitty but Gege is already moving the plot foward, not much we can do.
@@SemekiIzuio I'm not outing anyone because I don't want to disrespect Six by outright mentioning other channels in his comments, and I definitely don't want to spark rivalries between communities. I'm speaking specifically of those who were upset by chapter 236, not those who suspected more to come before chapter 236. I'm going to refrain from encouraging the team Gojo vs team Sukuna thing because I think it's more nuanced than that. Of those who were upset, Six was the first I've seen to reevaluate, take a minute to calm down, and extend an olive branch. There are a lot of content creators, so I admittedly don't have the same exposure to the range of them as you do. You could've seen others before I have, some I haven't even heard of. So I'm careful not to say the first of all, only the first I've seen. Of those I follow, he's the only one who hasn't called it bad writing, blamed Gege for forgetting stuff, etc, etc. Hell, I predicted this outcome and one of the creators I follow allowed his community to dogpile and flame me for weeks. He's got a huge channel, and I went back solely to call him out on it before unsubscribing. But Six made peace, so full switch. I'll go with the diplomatic creator any day. Some things will make us sour, but that's what makes us appreciate them. Six earned my respect by using that instead of rejecting it. In truth, we like imperfect things because they give us problems to solve so that we aren't bored. A great writer knows how to intentionally disappoint everyone in some way, then tie it all together in the end.
It was how i expected... including sukuna domain of jujutsu to overpower gojo defense. BUT... The gojo character destruction in this chapter... that dont went well. Gege destroyed the character in 1 chapter, killed him offscreen. I dont even wanna know how Yuji will end... Gege hate Yuji too.
13:11 He held back because it's not a normal 1v1 . - If Gojo beat Sukuna then that's the end of it. If Sukuna beat Gojo he still has to fight the next challenger(s). I think it was Kukasabe who said that in the chapter, I'm too lazy to check but I just wanted to say that cos it's one of the things that irked me about your video. Not bad overall though, I liked your take on why Gojo shouldn't have regrets despite the loss.
This JJK fight was set up, masterfully. With the protagonist Gojo as the strongest, it inadvertently put Sakuna in the position we’re used to seeing the good guys, in.. which is on their heels tryna figure out how not to die. I knew Gojo was going to die, because of it. The underdog always wins and Sakuna was the underdog, in this fight. Proving that he could overcome the odds.
I think the reason people have a big problem with Gojo's death in the most recent chapter is not because he died, and might not even necessarily be because Gojo got off-screened (Though I do imagine that is a big part of it) but that Gege had been doing a pretty good job so far justifying the decisions made within the story between the characters and the "Power Levels" as well as the very limited amount of "Plot Armour" due to just how much of the cast has been killed in these high-pressure situations. Gege killing Gojo off screen after showing proof of Gojo's superior combat skills (What you show to the audience is more relevant to viewers' understanding of a work than statements of power levels or skills are. You can't just say that a character is at a certain level of power, you have to substantiate that claim in an action story for a viewer to buy it. A Shounen Manga is the type of story the audience can expect for the combat to be a big part of the exploration of its universe. It doesn't matter what Gege says, it matters what Gege *Shows* ) Gojo was just winning. He was just not losing. Gege showing Gojo getting KO'd off-screen feels less like an authorial statement or artistic decision and much more fundamentally like a letter of resignation or admittance that they would not rather have to answer what they've previously set up. It's hard to have all the pieces lined up when you're working on a piece of fiction, and especially when you're working under the conditions of Shounen Jump. But I think the reason this one has got everyone raising their eyebrows at it is because Gege did a good job with this kind of stuff before, but doesn't really have a good answer other than not answering it. Gege would rather just ignore or sidestep the issue and hope the audience doesn't pay attention. But of course, the story's not over, and this is just speculation on my part. Another reason is that "In-Universe" it has been set up that one of the reasons Gojo is so cracked and hard to beat is that he has Cursed Abilities and Magics that are specific in aiding reaction time. And when you play into characters in action stories having fundamentally higher reaction time, it can feel cheap to an audience for those characters with said great reflexes to be caught off guard. I think overall, audiences prefer characters with high reaction times to be overwhelmed, rather than to not be able to see a blow coming, which is what a cutaway of that nature implies. Not that Gojo was too tired to dodge, but that he just didn't see this one. Which doesn't seem in line with The Six Eyes. Especially when The Six Eyes is not a Technique that has to be activated, it is just on at all times.
THIS 100000%. You get it. Gege contradicts himself heavy with this chapter and everything he’s shown before. In powerscaling we have to take feats into account, and Sukuna had no feat that suggested he was superior to Gojo. It just was not set up. On top of Sukuna saying a purple would kill him IN HIS INNER MONOLOGUE so there is no reason for him to lie. Then a purple hits him and he offscreens gojo. Like what
This comment is just delusional tbh. Yes Gege showed Gojo winning BUT was Gojo really winning or was Sukuna holding back?? Gege put MUILTIOLE HINTS mid fight showing that sukuna want really going all out. During the domain battle everyone acknowledged that sukuna was taking the riskier routes in the fight. Gojo doubted himself mid fight and even had the Toji “something is off” comment. We also knew sukuna was waiting for mahoragas adaptation but no one expected that sukuna planned on copying the move, we most likely expected mahoraga to be the on killing Gojo, and this is why Gojo said sukuna could do ably beat him without 10S if he can copy what mahoraga did just know he always had the capacity to do that move, but mahoraga simply made it so he didn’t have to go all out and figure it out kid fight. This aside why would you accept that Gojo fights a guy like sukuna and it would be THAT easy, it literally made no sense Sukuna also wasn’t even using his real technique, the whole community just assumed it’s because HE CANT which is something we don’t even know. The people who are mad are 1: fans of Gojo 2: ignored ALL the hints that something was off the entire fight. You can’t say it’s bad writing when you literally ignore all the things the author did to forshadow the outcome.
@@emmanuelomego7080 I don't believe this to be the truth. If Sukuna was trying to kill Gojo, and was capable of killing Gojo handily. He would have done so when he had the monstrous advantage of 3 versus 1. Like it cannot even be explained just how insurmountable of an advantage just 2 versus 1 is in a serious combat context between trained and deadly combatants. And Gojo not only clutched the even more dire straits that were the 3 v 1, he eliminated Sukuna's backup and got it down to a 1 v 1. Sukuna's best chance at landing a "Gotcha" type hit is not here, it is when there are two other incredibly powerful sentient threats occupying Gojo's time and resources during the 3 v 1. I think one of Gege's missteps here is like you said, that it's hard to see coming. But it's not that Gojo fans are trying to huff up some copium, but that Gege didn't write Sukuna's skillset well enough for the audience to buy that he has any right in winning. Especially when Gojo proved he was nasty enough to fight three extremely powerful Curses all at the same time. Sukuna smiling is not proof of anything. Gojo clutching a 3 v 1 and not dying somehow is proof of something, and of much more substantial value to the audience.
@@kylefields3951 I am pretty sure he saw the slash coming. This is because of his six eyes, like you said. But how would Gojo know that slash would cut through space and thereby himself? Atleast thats what I think.
I like how you explained the "holding back" element. The thing that makes Sukuna extremely dangerous is he is a Genius Jujutsu problem solver. Which makes it likely that even if 10 Shadows was unavailable he would have found another way around the problem that was Gojo's infinity. Would it have been remotely similar? Maybe, maybe not. Thing is, he had faith in the tool he chose and he played it to the conclusion. And it worked. That does not mean it was impossible for him to put forth another tool to the task and still come out the victor.
I agree. This is what people miss the most. He used Moharaga simply because he had it. If he didn't have it, he would've broke infinity some other way. The attack used was Sukuna's own technique. It wasn't Moharag's. People keep saying that he could have never done it without the 10 shadows. That isn't true.
@@zaerogartorias9890stop lying to yourself for bad writing bruh…you think you are the only one in this ocean of people with a fing brain? Ego crazy lol. No one likes that “should’ve, would’ve, could’ve” nonsense. It’s the fact that during the fight the audience clearly sees sukuna didn’t have something to bypass it and the points that he received dmg or would’ve gotten hurt he used the 10 shadows. You never been in a ball game or argument with someone and they say if they would’ve done this they would win and you would respond “then why didn’t you do it then.” The way some of you guys talk it’s like you do not have real life friends or touch grass bro lol.
I believe it is a stretch to assume that he was going to get past it without Mahoraga. Saying that he was going to do it some other way when sakuna literally says I needed a model on how to do it lets me know that he couldn't on his own. Also I interpret holding back as using things that weren't going to be effective vs. What was
@@ShadeThaArtist Gojo stated he didn't know if he could beat 10 Shadowless Sukuna himself. A stretch? No. Gojo's infinity has weaknesses. We have seen it be breached by multiple different applications and some things (like poison) were mentioned as possible weaknesses but not explored. Sukuna WANTED a model for his CLEAVE. He didn't know how to get his primary attack that he spams the whole series past infinity. But he wanted to, and using Mahoraga, he did. Nowhere does Sukuna state that he needed Mahoraga to win. Only that he used him to win. A subtle, but distinct difference.
@@TyrantofthewindOK you are stating what gojo said, but you are not looking into what the actual attack user says, that he needed a model to bypass infinity. Yes he wanted to do with his technique. The thing is sukuna is a genius at understanding jujutsu sorcery and curse technique. He understood how mahoraga's adaptation works. I don't think any other user of 10S have ever done this or could have done. He understood that mahoraga can provide him that model which he can use to bypass infinity. And he had time to prepare for battle with gojo. Sukuna had used mahoraga before gojo's fight against yorozu, so he definitely knew how to watch mahoraga and use his model. Sukuna wasn't sure of any other way to bypass infinity, but to see mahoraga bypass it. So it's a stretch to consider he could have done it on his own.
15:16 this is the best take on "Sukuna holding back" and the recent reveal of Yorozu's gift not something that can break through Gojo's Infinity, Sukuna had no real way of breaking through the Infinity. im so tired of Sukuna dickriders saying that the Flame Arrows could breakthrough the Infinity as if JJK follows the dumb Dragon Ball rule of "higher energy beats anything". NO that ruins how the power system in JJK works.
Nah, Sukuna "feared death for the first time" admited that hollow purple could be fatal to him, just for Gege state that he was holding back, and he could have beaten Gojo without 10S, while the whole thing that made him survive the fight AND his final strike was ALL 10S. Honestly, idk what Gege was thinking him, but I trust him and I still think he is cooking something. This does NOT feel right. Big plot twist incoming.
@@dominicwoodford5711 Im not mad at all that Gojo died, he needed to, and I expected that he would since the beggining, but this was pure bs. Toji was being cautious but he did go all out and never feared anything on the first round, because HE KNEW HE WAS STRONGER. He only showed nervousness and fear when Gojo learned RCT and the true power of limitless. If Sukuna knew he was still holding back and was stronger from the beginning, why did he admitted that Purple could kill him and got desesperated when Gojo launched red in the sky to make the remote purple? Why did he felt nervous for the first time in a 1000 years? Look, if he had thought all the fight that everyone was under control, even if he was getting his ass beated, this would make sense. Maybe he was testing Gojo. But no. Multiple times he feared, he got nervous, he thought he could lose. And while all that he was holding back? Pure bs. Gege just took the fraudkuna trend personally and wanted to prove everything wrong, but this makes no sense. Sukuna needed to win for the story keep going, but the way Gege writed this ending. Honestly doesnt make any sense. I hope Gege is cooking something because this does not feel right at all.
It was never stated he feared death for the first time. It said he experienced the height of tension for the first time in 1000 years. You gojo stans are even making up your own manga to defend him. Read the manga before commenting on it.
We don’t even see the action of Sukuna releasing the attack. One chapter gojo is smiling and sukuna is leaning on the wall, and the next gojo is cut in half and sukuna is smiling 💀
Yea bro you was spitting here. I'm glad you were able to take a step back and see it without your emotions taking over because this really did wonders for gojos character and was great send off
Thank you for actually being smart unlike 99% of these Twitters users and RUclipsrs. I felt like so many people were misinterpreting Gojo’s words on Sukuna not going all in. Even Kusakabe makes it clear Gojo can go all out well Sukuna cannot. “Sukuna can’t afford to unload everything he has. But Gojo can fight unhindered. This carries the best chance of success.” Sukuan was pretty passive throughout this fight and took many blows just for an adaptation. If he had another/better technique off rip for getting past neutral limitless why retain so much damage? Wouldn’t make any sense.
He's not going all out because he doesn't want to or need to it's cuz he can't which is a huge difference in portrayal. Which is why a lot of people think Gojo saying that he's not sure if he could beat sukuna without 10 shadows is strange and irritating as a reader.
Well he logically will need to fight the other students. So why would he unload his entire bag straight off the rip if he’s confident he can win with only mahoraga/ten shadows. Taking unnecessary damage is also irrelevant for these characters cause they can literally just heal. Plus sukuna is the king of curses. Gaining knowledge on how to beat the most broken ability in the series would be pretty useful when you live for 1000’s of years
@@xiongbreeze that's not how that worked my guy. He couldn't bypass Infinity which is why he was watching Mahoraga do it so he can learn to do it. You are the one that needs to keep up lmao
@@brycenb2994 taking damage does matter because you run out of cursed energy faster if you take a bunch of damage and heal it. It had nothing to do with confidence he was using Mahoraga to learn how to bypass Infinity. We don't know if he had a way to bypass it before the fight because it hasn't been confirmed.
This is honestly the most fair interpretation i have seen yet, and i have watched SO MANY video responses to this chapter by different creators. The only small disagreement i have is that its made abundantly clear throughout the manga that sukunas learning power is ungodly. We are warned about it time and time again. So I believe gojo is saying sukuna would have learned to bypass infinity on his own, albeit taking more time. The disagreementi have with your analysis is that it wouldn’t have resulted in a gojo W because sukuna would have take FAR less damage in this scenario taking into account the fact that he spent most of the fight eating hits on purpose to spin the wheel.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlare you ok... that's literally what happened in the fight. Sukuna learned how to cut through infinity. He's not wrong. He would have probably figured it out even without mahoraga.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlThat's literally how Sukuna cut Gojo.. and how he has done everything in the entire manga. Sukuna, whether by a CT or not, is somehow able (and has always been able to) learn how to do things by observing something else.
@@ignorantslaves89 yeah my point is that sukuna explanation is a ass pull. His CT was only seen able to effect and cut matter. It wasn't able to effect something like space. Space isn't even a object it's what objects are in
I’m sure others have said it, but props for a non biased analysis. You really broke down the chapter with no emotion just feats. Not many in the game able to do so 👏🏿
Sukuna literally created a hit box and said "anything in this space gets cut." As crazy as it sounds, Infinity is a pretty simple thing to get through if you really think about it. Yes, it stops anything from getting NEAR gojo but it doesnt necessarily stop him from getting HIT. If you can just HIT gojo infinity is useless. He's as durable as any other human he just has mega regeneration if the hit doesnt kill him. So when you HIT him, make that hit count and boom fights done.
@@afewthreads1460 nah he isn’t. Be realistic here. Have you genuinely not noticed how much damage gojo takes when u actually hit him? Man literally go his throat cut out (young gojo but still). The guy literally got murdered. By a guy. With a KNIFE. That’s all it took.
I think what Gojo ment hen he said Sukuna didn't give it his all was that he didn't push him to come up with something on the fly, he didn't make deviate from his original plan, cuz when Gojo said he gave it his all he mentioned something about his quick thinking
I just need Gege to explain how Gojo didn’t see the ‘spark’ of this attack if it was the same thing mahoroga did. At the bare minimum he should’ve seen the startup
@@alswisha8519because in the chapter before this the narrator makes a big deal about how every CT has a start up and a ‘spark’ that no one even Gojo with his refinement of CE can’t evade this rule or however the wording is. So for Gojo to have the 6E and being at his full strength due to black flash it makes no sense 1) that he couldn’t even see the technique 2) for any student to be Able to defend against this technique in the future. Now if Gege says “well it’s a one use technique so he can’t just spam it” then I guess I’ll accept that answer but it’s poor excuse imo.
@@khalilwilson2586 it isn't a big technique tho it was just a simple slash with the ability to target spacetime... he didn't dodge mahoraga why would he dodge sukuna lol
Peak fight... but the end of the fight feels like Gege stabbed us in the back. No one can deny how impressive Gojo looked in the fight, and for all of that be almost debunked in 1 chapter is frustrating. Think about it this way. If Gojo had not said that Sukuna was pretty much stronger than him, most of us would have came to the conclusion that they were somewhat equal with Mahoraga being the deciding factor. NOW you have Gojo's very own words working against you if you have that opinion.
Gojo was being humble IMO. If Mike Tyson said Buster Douglas was the better fighter would anybody realistically look at their two careers and come to that same conclusion?
I think it's less Gojo "glazing" Sukuna as many have taken it. Gojo finally got to go all out and play, he pushed his technique to its utmost limit. Sukuna spent pretty much the entire fight having to use someone else's CT to find a way around Gojo's Infinity. He didn't get to go all out like Gojo finally got to and Gojo feels bad for him bc of that
I really do hope more positive videos like this one become the main interpretation of the chapter, instead of all this rage and hate I've seen floating around it.
After reading the official chapter myself too my only gripe was with sukuna holding back but your explanation makes so much sense why he had too, and gojo being off screened was just damn bad on the authors part but other than that I enjoyed it
For some reason a lot folks fail to consider Gege's reason for intentionally having off screened Gojo. He most likely is saving the reveal of how things went down for a later chapter. I personally don't understand the critique of this decision, some even claiming this to be bad writing, before waiting for the next couple of chapters and see what the author does narratively
@@Sanchase I call it bad writing lol. Gojo was problematic for the writing process given his abilities and power. Now you’ve got the same thing. They both should’ve died at the end of this fight. Whether it be by each other or Kenjaku coming in to swipe the kills at the end. Because with Sukuna’s newer adaptation of the ability. There’s no reasonable way to believe he’s able to be killed by any of these sorcerers that still exist OR cursed spirits. He just launched one of the, if not THE most powerful attack possible in JJK. Any solution to Sukuna will feel like BS kind of like Gojo dying suddenly, as if he never had a chance, and then you’re gonna have this same circumstance.
As far as my opinion goes Gojo and Sukuna help the story exponentially by being each others enemy for the possibility of a GRAND clash and the epitome of Jujutsu. You’d also solidify Kenjaku as a big bad by getting rid of the two.
@@SuperEvilTurkeyItadori would have some resistance if not immunity to cleave and dismantle as seen with Goni being able to tank his own Purple. It’s been hinted at multiple times that Itadori has an imprint of Sukunas cursed energy. Considering he’s also a cursed child it would mean Itadori potentially is the perfect match for Sukuna.
Been knowing you ever since you hopped on the Naruto debates with Swag and (redacted) the programmer. The way you analyzed sukunas mindset prior to and during the fight earned a sub from me for sure. Amazing interpretation!
As a sukuna fan, I also would have liked to see the actual attack on gojo. It would’ve been more satisfying for both fanbases and better for the overall narrative imo. We’d probably have a more clear answer about the nature of sukuna’s attack as well and if he could pull it off without maho. So that’s a shame. Good vid tho and respect six it was honestly one of the most hype fights I’ve looked forward to in a manga. Gonna miss the leak days of it. ❤
Sukuna combined Mahoraga sword and his slash and dismantle for the interdimensional slash. We know how that happened, it just feel so anticlimatic because if that is what Sukuna capable of then Gojo had no chance since the beginning of the fight.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 He also said Sukuna was holding back against (which was likely his true form and ◼️: Open). He’s unsure he could’ve won against these abilities, especially since he doesn’t know them.
I read through all of JJK this weekend just to see what the hype around this moment was about. I think this video is the best take I've seen on the fight, it reminds me of when we first saw Yama vs Yhwach. That fight also got the community feeling cheated in some way, but with hindsight it was perfect. I'm happy to finally be able to watch your videos on this amazing series as well.
I believe its more like, Gojo wears his "creators" outfit to probably the battle of his life and the future of the world. The only reason Gojo could rival Sukuna was basically his insanity and the ability to constantly heal his brain, which was given to him by Toji, when he decided to give one final blow to the head.
A lot of the time the deep talks in JJK that the characters have don’t make sense at all. And the readers are often the ones who make up their own interpretations of it because they already in their heads expect it to be something good because it’s JJk.
My biggest problem is how gojo says sukuna was holding back and he would of lost even if sukuna didnt have ten shadows both are wrong. He couldn't of adapted to infinity without mahoraga and if u got knocked out bleedinging through the eyes unable to make a domain then sukuna had to be trying
The way I've decided on looking at it basically forces it too come down to how long the fight is. If it's a relatively short fight, I'd give it too Gojo. If it's a long, drawn out slug-fest, I'd give it Sukuna. Him having the higher capacity for CE, and, at least in my opinion having a larger amount of raw talent for Jujutsu, as evidenced by open-barrier domain, I think means its a fairly safe bet that if Sukuna could survive long enough, he'd find a way around infinity, even without Mahoraga
@@InsomniaticDeathWishThis. He said he wanted Mahoraga to be a role model. Not that it was his only option. He even said he was anticipating that Mahoraga would be able to cut through infinity
it's nonsense at this time, I don't believe a sec gojo dead with no regrets. Because he been sealed, lots of people dead, friends even. Because of his dying, more people will suffer. He didn't feel any of that ?
World building also got busted. What's higher ups, exactly? What do they do? Do they print money ? Do they have capable army? What's their source of power, and how does this power structure work ? Jesus...
Right or wrong going through these chapters and seeing everyone so passionate about them was a lot of fun. Glad i found this chanel and got to be apart of it
so sakuna's upgrade, the best way i can explain it is if kenjaku uses gravity instead of the slashes getting pushed down it now cuts the gravity and keep going instead. or maybe if someone opens a portal infront of it, it would no longer go through the portal but cut it inhalf instead. he gained the ability to cut concepts, absolutely crazy
The concept never make sense. Cutting only apply to object. Say that a set of space is an object and you cut that space. Now we add more space. Each time you cut a space there is another. That is basically the concept of infinity. Theoretically speaking you cannot cut something that is infinite.
@@brandonjablasone7544 it was pushing and blocking before but now all the aspects of how it was pushing is getting cut he is now cutting the numbers themselves instead of them pushing back as a force
Gege does not like Gojo. I believe he wanted the impact of that hard cut to his body cut in half. I think it was very creative chapter composition. It felt like gruesome death in horror movie.
I do agree not actually showing the slash from Sukuna is a big L. Was it a sure hit was it not? Did the six eyes not see Sukuna’s mood change? Or a change in the spark/cursed energy build up? My issue is Sukuna has to raise his hand and cast cleave. Did Gojo just stand there and was like yeah this won’t reach me then bam? If so that’s just the worst/lamest way this could have gone down. But like they are in the same standing position and distance from last chapter. It kinda makes me think that’s why Gege didn’t draw it out. The last thing I wanna mention is the panel where it says for the first time in 1000 years Sukuna was nervous. Why get visibly angry that you lost Agito? Why waste all of chapter 235 fighting Gojo scared if that was AFTER Mahoraga already got his 2nd adaptation? Shit just rubs me the wrong way. Almost like Gege came up with Sukuna’s W at the end. But I know this simply can’t be true. Bro really could have just blitzed weakened Sukuna and hit him with a red but didn’t 😭 for no reason in particular. Maki even says the whole point was the immobilize Sukuna. After Yuji was like I got a plan.
I mean why declare Goyo the winner, to just backtrack in the next panel basically, it feels cheap to do that, like he wanted people to believe Goyo won so he could shit in their faces the next moment
@@abelochoaizquierdo5707se you guys werent using your thinking caps. No way you actually thought the fight was over in 235 unless you were a gojo stan. It was an obvious setup for a gojo loss
@@GeoX242 nah man, I knew Goyo was done since the start of the fight, but you can't deny that is dirty to declare Goyo the winner to then backtrack the claim, and it wasn't someone saying it, it was a narrator text bubble, why do that if he wasn't the winner?, to me it felt cheap
@@abelochoaizquierdo5707 Wasn't a narrator bubble, sprry to say, but the rest of your point stands. Man, Gege really hates Gojo. Must've lived rent free in his head at all times for him to do that.
The problem Gege has is that Gojo was too strong not to be the main character, and because of that you had to make an antagonist who is even stronger than him. Gojo not only was a problem because he solved everyone’s problem, but because he made any problem that was bigger then him pretty much impossible to solve by the rest of the cast without it being an asspull. The problem with JJK now is Sukuna
Same problem with Naruto ending with Madara, had to asspull. Only HxH seemed to find a way to make overpowered characters still be killable by weaker characters due to the nen system.
When Kenjaku the one that spent every era fighting 6eyes even told Gojo”You really think you beat Sukana”. When Sukana wasn’t even in his 20-fingers form was foreshadowing Gojo defeat. Gojo even started the fight at 120%. Sukana is the king of curses that fought for his position in THE GOLDEN ERA. Everytime Gojo died or got captured was because he was living through the title of “the strongest”.
I’ve been saying what you said repeatedly about the 120% thing. Also Sukuna isn’t one to misjudge things and in the first encounter I’m sure Sukuna says he’d slam Gojo
Gojo started the fight with 120% PURPLE. Not his other stats. Just that move. It's made clear by even Sukuna when he says he tanked because he was in perfect condition and it was far.
@@Sovereign7767 So you saying jogo that was high being worth being 4-6 fingers sukana was stronger than 80-90% of the golden era? I seen that statement by kenjaku to hype up jogo to further his own plans. The golden era go mean much when every reference to Sukuna was in 20 finger form
5:45 Space slash probably can be dodged by a moving target. Seems like Sukuna is able to populate a slash at a specific coordinate the way that you plot points on a graph.
That would explain why Gojo didn’t react to the attack. He may have seen the spark and waited to see the attack be projected but it wasn’t projected, it manifested on top of him.
Finally someone actually talking sense the community has been straight up jumping the gun in this and bandwagoning no opinion of theirs seems to make sense. Instead all of it is coming off as a fit they are throwing cuz gojo is dead.
glad you at least noticed the problem with gojo somehow not noticing the "flash" before sukuna used his new reality slash which he definitely would've seen the start up to since sukuna was able to sense gojo's flash when he was about to fire off red and gojo has better CE perception than sukuna. the only explanation for sukuna being able to actually surprise him with it is that he can do it instantly. which would still make no sense based on what was established in the previous chapter. also gojo could respond by simply using his teleportation he fogot about for 95% of the fight to leave his range and come back once sukuna misses his opportunity to use the slash. and yeah, gojo definitely wins against sukuna without 10S considering he only needs to fuck up once in the domain clashes for it to be game over. if he's off with his own domain expansion by even 0.01 seconds, gojo wins because he'll be stun locked by unlimited void and mahoraga won't be there to bail him out. the same applies if gojo manages to destroy sukuna's domain before his own collapses from sukuna's attacks.
gojo barely could register cleave throughout the fight if not for gojo RCT he would be fucking dead bro, he has had no way to properly dodge it from the first clash sukuna did, he was shocked he couldnt see it u could see it on his face
@@bonessxd1774 he should still be able to register the actual start up of the technique even if he can't see the slashes themselves. it makes even less sense considering the properties of a cleave that cuts reality would have to be significantly different from others sukuna had used before earlier in the battle. and gojo did have a way to avoid getting cleaved. he just forgot for 95% of the fight that he could teleport.
@@Resepticsregistering the start up doesn’t mean you can react to the attack. We literally see mahoraga cleave through an arguably more on guard Gojo but your surprised sukuna can do the same??
Gojo and sukuna were equally as powerful. The difference was experience. Gojo is in his 20s while sukuna is over 1000 years old and dominated the golden era of jujutsu. Their difference was experience, not power.
@AtulBasnet no he just holding back ct because he couldn’t use it against gojo infinity. Also if sukuna de disable infinity why not end the fight because it wasn’t strong enough. Also sukuna ce reinforcement is top notch bro. Ain’t no way let gojo punch hole in his chest and knock him out with a black flash. Sukuna not dumb to lower his durability for gojo.Sukuna basically weakened gojo durability. Good analogy is two knights are fighting to death one has a incredible shield that block every thing with good sword combat. While other has two swords with incredible attack power. The knight with two sword will have a harder time fighting the knight with a shield and a sword. Doesn’t mean other is holding back attack power. Sukuna found a way to get around that shield while also reduce the opponent durability.
Personally, I like the artistic feel of seeing Gojo in the afterlife then cutting to see him already dead. It's not like the slash would have any struggle to it, it'd just be an instantaneous slash that killed him almost instantly, so I don't think not see a single frame of an attack detracts from the moment. It isn't like we didn't see the fight, we just saw the result of the final attack rather than the attack itself.
theres alot to the fight from chapter 235 than to the attack bruh, it seemed like sukuna was nearly dead at the end and gojo was getting ready to put him down and your saying like directly 5 seconds after he used the technique and killed gojo? I feel like if they added a chapter or just a few more panels to show the rest of the scenes leading up to the attack it'd seem more coherent cause it felt like a ass pull how from 235-236 like they skipped the whole climax of the fight
@@zankoushadow fax it does feel like a page was missing but this was most likely a choice gege made so he can nerf sukunas new technique if he ever needs to in later chapters
What is there to regret the students he left behind with a chance of death the knew jujutsu world he never Got to see In shibuya he was so angry that he was using Getos body never being addressed after the, fact Nanami was wright Gojo only cared for the fight
Thinking back now, go back and look at the panel where Gojo asks Geto if they should kill everyone in the room while he's holding riko's corpse.. right then and there is the moment where all paths diverged
13:00 i felt like sukuna was holding back the entire fight and at the same time he was finding a way to counter infinity. Not like he didn't enjoy it though hehe.
Ok first some of my coping thoughts Learning that Sukuna never went all out and that Gojo did not think he could win even if he didn't have 10 shadows it weird to thing of even with retrospect given all the narrative implications, and that off screen kill felt like Gege's Gojo hate is showing in that moment Now some more calm thoughts I don't think we sould have ever thought he would have won but I don't think anyone thought it would happen after a narrator victory claim but also across manga chapters for that anime delay cut. Gege has said he hated Gojo and he does do stuff like this a lot with him gaslighting us a lot into thinking we have a reason to have hope, also I do think the "Gojo won" claim might still be true given the win condition for Gojo was to either beat Sukuna or weaken him to a point that the other can kill him
I think you are seriously reaching with this video the Nanami point for example, you are right that it is not character assasination but you are very wrong as why. The why is simple, it is Naomi’s opinion it is not a statement of fact just because Nanami said it. Gojo wanting to have strong students to help make a better society for Jujutsu is hardly selfish, him delaying the execution of a child and trying to find an alternative solution is hardly selfish. And the fight, in writing it usually best to show not tell. Throughout the fight we are SHOWN Gojo being the better fighter, to my memory until chapter 234 I believe Sukuna does not land a SINGLE physical hit on Gojo they are all parried or miss or are countered, we are shown Gojo surviving Sukuna’s Domain we are shown Sukuna getting stunlocked after a brief exposure to his we are SHOWN Sukuna getting knocked out by Gojo and needing Mahoraga to save him we are shown Sukuna getting nervous we are SHOWN Sukuna Frantically trying to save Maho from being oneshot. We are shown all these things and then we get a monologue from Sukuna being TOLD that he has some super amazing technique that he learned perfected and deployed offscreen no less we are then TOLD he was holding back, we see no evidence of that we see him using his domain several times for example after previously having a narrator statement that this is the pinnacle of Jujutsu and now we are told he was holding back some super secret technique that bypasses all his defenses. Sukuna states himself that a hollow purple in this current state would kill him and then he tanks a nuke made of it we are also told his RCT output is lowered and then he is just fine a panel later. It’s not just about Gojo dying or even being offscreened it is the massive dichotomy between what are SHOWN vs the contradictory statements we are later TOLD. THAT is bad writing, and you are reaching to defend it. That is why people are mad but most probably cannot put it into the words I just did. Additional point: at 16:10 You are stating that Sukuna not trying to destroy it from the inside is riskier and shows how he was holding back to let Mahoraga adapt. It’s very simple isn’t it? Their sure hits cancel out he cannot use the domain sure hit to attack it from the inside and he cannot use other techniques and domain amp at the same time. It was weird myself when I first read that. You cannot explain how Sukuna would otherwise attack the inside in that situation without using head canon or saying he could use his “open” which we do not the conditions for so it’s all speculation.
I would not mind if he just died from the explosion and leave a sukuna weak but show him dominate the fight and make him say he didn't think he could win even when sukuna didn't use mahoraga that s nonsense when you know sukuna need mahoraga to beat him
As Stan Lee once said "the writer decides the winner". At the end of the day you have Sukuna fans happy, Gojo fans angry, and it's all because of a fiction series lol. Gojo fans, this was a very poorly written fight ending, get over it, it's just a manga not real life lol
the explanation for why sukuna was "holding back" makes so much sense. The analogy for Gojo's infinity and how sukuna managed to overcome it is such a good concept. Obviously the execution was kinda wack, but we can overlook it. JJK on top
its like kashimo, the strongest always wanna do it the hard way. kashimo wanted to kill hikari while he was immortal, Sakuna wanted to kill Gojo while infinity was active
@@isaiascaines3299 he wasnt holding back in power he was just limited in his techniques due to the restriction of limitless being active, most people reading knew this obviously so what are u talkin abt
Ur probably the only jjk youtuber i can follow cause u really do a great job of trying to look deeper into the fight other than just what is blatantly stated and it makes sense. Im definitely more of a gojo fan than sukuna and im not gonna argue over who is stronger because i think pre-existence cut sukuna it could be argued for both sides but for some reason people think that the statement of holding back is to mean sukuna could have killed gojo at any time and he was only using like 30% of his strength. I agree that he was just not able to use all of his arsenal because of infinity whether it would have affected gojo or not is unknown but to just say sukuna has all these things that could possibly negate gojos infinity or one shot him he just didnt want to use them cause he was playing around is pretty dumb to me. RIP gojo who knows what more crazy twists gege has for us but thanks for the great videos. (p.s i already know people are gonna somehow find a way to want to argue i just wanted to say this out loud no need to waste your time.)
I think leaving the final blow to our imagination and giving us an emotional scene into the headspace of a character we will likely never see again was a brilliant move by gege
The minute you realize that domain clash aside this wasn’t a Gojo vs Sukuna fight, it was Gojo vs “Fully Realized” Megumi. Had a blast with the fight but damn Gojo is half the man he used to be coming out of this fight(sorry had to do it). Even though it’s not completely relevant I love how Kashimo didn’t even let Gojo’s body hit the ground before he arrived on the scene. Gotta love his “I got next” energy. He really saw the strongest sorcerer in the modern era get murked and said “Don’t disappoint me”😂.
The fight was great, even the conclusion. I was just irked by gege gaslighting the audience by making gojo say he wouldnt beat no 10s sukuna, even though the literal wincon for sukuna was only achievable through mahoraga. Hell even if that weren't the case, maho saved sukuna from death twice that fight and you wanna gaslight me into saying he wasn't needed? Nahhh, stop the disrespect gege
5:55 From what was stated about the spark concept, it only indicates that the person is activating a cursed technique. It doesnt tell what the technique exactly is. For example, from the spark in Gojo's eyes it was obvious he was activating his technique, but Sukuna had to predict that it was reversal red based on its output. From the spark, it is possible that Gojo thought of it as a regular cleave which could be stopped by his infinity, when it wasnt. It seems like this is what most likely happened. Otherwise, I cannot picture Gojo being caught of guard like that.
I think the fact that we don't see the attack that ended Gojo is just Gege being consistent. Gojo died the exact same way Jogo did. He was in the afterlife before he even knew what hit him. There might be meaning in that, which we don't know yet.
W video Six, i agree, i've also calmed down a bit and i can say that this chapter grew on me somewhat and now i can say that it did not ruin Gojo's character, but it still could have been done so much better, so that these complaints would not have been happening in the first place. Long story short, your point about Gojo not having anything to regret could not have neen further from the truth. Besides leaving his students to deal with everything themselves, where realistically, becuase of how OP Sukuna has become and how devious Kenjaku has been, Gojo should not, that the stakes are not like in Shibuya anymore. And even in Shibuya, saying that students handled everything is overstatment. They did get stronger and they did free Gojo in the end, but at the cost of many dying, getting crippled, possessed with very low chance of survival and Japan being in the ruins. The drastic difference in both outcomes is signifite by the fact that this time - Gojo is not sealed, he was killed. So i would have liked at least a little bit of dialogue about him still beliving in his students, him being somewhat troubled by the fact, that his burden, and in many ways, his blunders (Kenjaku getting Geto's body) are gonna lead to many deaths among his students, and that is undeniable. I myself even struggle to imagine how would Gege realistically write the story so that protags winning does not reek of 4th ninja war levels of asspuls and Madara problems, but we shall see. Speaking of Gojo's blunder. He did not bury his best friend's body. And he did not even mention that in the face of the man in the afterlife, like wtf?! Kenny possessing Geto not only is Gojo's biggest mistake, but it also can not be excused as something that he did while being pressured by the idea of "The Strongest", that he can now relinquish since was killed. Geto's friendship was always something, which bridged this gap, between him and other people. And to his last day, even after they fell apart, even after Geto's death, Gojo has always viewd him as his one and only, best friend. His duty to Geto was not the duty of the strongest, but a duty of a best friend. And thusly, him letting his students to take care of it, without him even acknowledging this, is buffling to me. Despite what Yuta said, this is something Gojo should have regretted or at the very least, acknowledged. Now, i still will critisize Nanami and Haibara lines, because of how vague Gege made them. They live too much of Big room for inrerpretation, and that much is obvious. Gege eitther struggled to convey the message properly, and thusly unintentionally left many fans think that he decided to 180 with Gojo's character, or he truly wanted to retcon him. Even with a lot of youtubers saying, how Nanami and Haibara are bouth unreliable narrators and should not be trusted 100%, do you really think the only reason from Gege's point of view, thay were both incorrect and simply misunderstood Gojo? The problem is poor dialogue in this chapter. Just how i mentioned before, one of the flaws of this chapter. It leaves with too drastic difference of possible interpretation, and thusly, i don't believe intended message was conveyd properly. This chapter had a lot of beautiful ideas, but the execution lacked in terms of showing the last attack, the dialogue writing left much to be desired and with that i simply can not say, thag chapter was great, or even good. It was okay. And that opinion of mine won't change.
I was waiting for this video. I just don’t understand how anyone can defend this as a direction for the story or Gojo’s character. If anyone defeats Sukuna now it will feel contrived and on top of it the remaining cast has to deal with Kenjaku as well. I could see a world where jumping Kenjaku with multiple special grades would work, but not against Sukuna especially now that Gojo is out. Man has the largest domain we’ve seen so facing multiple enemies means nothing, and now he has an unblockable slash that even the Six Eyes could not anticipate or dodge. This is flat out bad imo. The better result would’ve been a Gojo win but was unable to continue fighting with the constant burn out and healing of his CT and Domain. It would’ve meant that the healing Gojo did during their fight wasn’t without risk, Gojo was no longer a problem for the stakes of the story (power wise), and the rest of the cast could shine against Kenjaku.
@@kabutoyakushi9739 that would’ve been fine as well. I’m just biased and would’ve enjoyed seeing the character development of Gojo as the strongest to being helpless and becoming the full time teacher. He was always blessed since birth so it would’ve been interesting to see the introspection.
@@MatthewGalonbro the only thing sukuna has going for him is how he views everyone and everything as below him because of his strength,if he loses he is just some generic villain ,he needs to be the strongest till when he is finally defeated by the MCs
@@kabutoyakushi9739 i wouldve rather preferred gojo dying nd sukuna living but very weak(because if sukuna dies only kenkaju nd uraume remain nd gojo+yuji+yuta+hakari+ every one else is an overkill) but making the result of who is stronger between gojo nd sukuna unclear(cuz well sukuna did use 10s to beat) unlike wht we got where gege tried his best to make gojo look pathetic.
@@blank003 he was the king of curses from chapter one. The only thing this does is make his defeat contrived against the arsenal of the rest of the living cast.
Imagine seeing jiraya killing those 3 paths of pain and the chapter ending, and then the start of the next chapter we see him stabbed and at the bottom of the ocean.
For me it was impactful, and I really liked that. Let me explain, you remember when Toji killed Amanai with a headshot? we can see the head shot from our point of view but for Amanai was like Pum death. Now we have Gojo he believes that he won his last resort which even made Sukuna a little nervous has worked and Sukuna is defeated. He stands as arrogant as ever and then PUM he sees his best friend in the other world and realizes that he has been cut in an instant like a head shot. For me this was a really cool and impactfull moment. And analising the fight I think there was not a single moment that Gojo has the upper hand. It feels all the time like Sukuna had a really elaborated plan from the start so he didn't need to use his full power. While Gojo as Arrogant as he is just went to the fight with the wrong idea that his strength was the only thing that he needed. When I say that Gojo didn't have the upper hand, I didn't mean to say that he did not throw some good hits and moves. But it feels like he was always playing Sukunas game and was always against the ropes, escaping by being the strongest there is. Both are powerful and arrogant characters but in this fight, you can see the clear difference. Sukuna was arrogant because he gained his strength during his life (in the last chapter you could understand that he said "I was an unwanted child) But Gojo was born like a god so his arrogant came from his pure strength. Im not completely happy with the result of the fight because I loved Gojo as a character. But I completely understand (I think I do) what Gege wanted to do with this fight.
I had fun...
We all did.
All of us did
i liked it
SUKUNA IS HIM RAHHHH
Worst panels oat
You can say what you want about Gojo after this fight, but you can’t say he wasn’t a cut above the rest.
He's also half the man he used to be. 😢
You could say Sukuna cut Gojo's life to pieces and ot was Sukuna's last resort
He *was* the strongest modern day sorcerer, and then the reincarnated sorcerers came into the picture.
Technically he is cut above the rest 😂😂😂
Hey cut that out!
Any way you slice it sukuna is pretty sharp.
The problem is having 10 shadows amped Sukuna have inner monologue talking about “fearing death for the first time” then suddenly jump cut to Gojo slashed in half and stating “I don’t know if I could have beaten even regular sukuna”
Don’t gaslight me lol
ong lol
for real
I mean maaaaaaaaybe gojo is unclear about how sukuna did that so possibly he’s like ehhh maybe he could’ve managed it regardless?
It does sound really weird especially when sukunas explanation explicitly states he wanted an example to copy.
Idk he literally couldnt be killed only sealed during the golden age of jujutsu he was always going to be stronger than gojo imo
The only time Sukuna was EVER slightly worried in that fight is when Gojo was charging up that Amped up Purple. And that's because he was already weakened enough that it COULD actually kill him. Everything else in the fight Sukuna already knew how to handle and wasn't worried. He did underestimate Gojo at times and paid for it though.
Narratively speaking, Gojo had to die in order for the story to continue. Still doesn't excuse the fact that he got done the Hashirama treatment.
Or the Yamamoto treatment.
@@janicenascimento9625 I’m crying rn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that’s the best part. You see how crazy the community is going over this? The authors goal is to captivate readers into his story thus Gojo’s death was genius
@dominicwoodford5711 didn't even think about this but that's probably true. The amount of uproar has this chapter the talk of the town, especially for that reason.
@@janicenascimento9625Literally this.
I knew it was over for Gojo when that fire extinguisher got yeeted at him💀 keep up the good work six
No way that's the move that showed you how the fight would end
@@sixfromtokyo That wasnt Sukuna that threw it. That was Gege💀
@@maliklofton9148 LOL
@@SlickEvan I felt the pettiness in that panel🤣
@@maliklofton9148 everyone talking about how sukuna had a 3v1 advantage. But it was really a 4v1 with the help of fire extinguisher-san.
His whole life he’d always been treated as the concept of “the strongest”, in the end Gojo‘s character comes full circle. Surrounded by loved ones he spends his final moments not as “the strongest”, but as Satoru Gojo, the human, friend to many, loved by many more
Still the 2 strongest after Sukuna But also a Teacher, a friend.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж You mean Mahoraga. Gojo wiped the floor with regular old Sukuna. If I beat Magnus Carlsen in a chess match with Stockfish helping me out, that doesn't make me better than Magnus.
@justlurkin horrible exemple, sukuna fought mostly alone, mahoraga didnt give a speed dura strength CT or output amp, it was the opposite as sukuna had to take dumb damage and even held back even more than he was already to adapt mahoraga and even then weakned gojo and sukuna wher superior to him, he didnt even adapted in a way sukuna could use so sukuna itself had to figure it out on its own and decide what to do, so literally while helding back, restricted, and in a far weaker body than his old one still beated gojo, and tanking everything gojo throw at him, so no, sukuna>gojo, literally stated that even without 10 shadows sukuna>him😂so there's no point in arguing
@@giovannieriksandu2432Don't waste Ur time man. These gojotards are gonna come up with insane copium even after sukuna beat the allegations. Let him have their own idea. If they want to believe their opinion then they can don't waste Ur time
@@justlurkinno matter how many punches you throw if you got knocked out you lose.
I really liked when Gege *told* us that Sukuna can beat Gojo even without TS, but *showed* us Sukuna not being able to beat Gojo using his techniques and completely relying on TS almost the whole fight
Actually Gojo says “he’s not sure if he could’ve won” and in another translation that” it would’ve been damn close” implying they are extremely relative and a fight could go either way. And we literally see sukuna’s domain expansion nearly killing Gojo on top of the fact that sukuna is apparently holding back in some manor soo….
@@brycenb2994 He emphasized on *could've. So Gojo is not sure that he would even have an ability* to defeat Sukuna. So Gojo would've just come close to Sukuna, but not enough to defeat him.
Sukuna's domain wasn't even close to killing Gojo. He was not only surviving slashes but fighting Sukuna and landing attacks.
Gojo on the other hand caught Sukuna in IV and knocked him out cold. And both times Sukuna was saved by Mahoraga. And after *showing* us all this, Gege expects us to believe that: "Oh, Sukuna didn't even needed TS, he would've won regardless"
thats not what he said. He said that he wasn't sure to be able to defeat sukuna, however same goes for sukuna who had no option to bypass infinity without TS. Without TS, this fight would have continued forever, since gojo can basically not run out of CE. At the end it was Mahorage who allowed sukuna to win.
@@Anorch-oy9jk that statement sets Gojo and Sukuna on the same level, but with Sukuna being slightly superior. Because why would he say "I'm no sure if I could've won" instead of "I could've won" or "I'd had a good chance" or etc. It emphasized on inability to win, instead of possibility of winning.
Also rest of the chapter just reinforcers these negative undertones - "he wasn't going all out", "someone stronger than me"
@@seaweather I think sukuna didn't go all out because it was not a wise decision to do so. A fight against gojo is a strategic one and not a rough one like it will be against kishimo. The limitless is a very annoying CT and I suppose that even if you go all out, It won't make any difference unless you use domain amplification or w
expansion. So sukuna had to fight passive and use mahoraga to figure out a possibility. I think gojo did give everything he had and it still wasn't enough to kill sukuna. Sukuna was patient and waited for his chance. So, personally I believe that the ten shadow CT made the difference in the fight. Close combat wise gojo was better, strategic planing wise sukuna was better. But sure, I think that makes sukuna a better sorcerer.
Respect to Sukuna, he will talk shit before and whilst fighting you, but by the end of the fight, if he sees you as strong he will commend you for that, such as with Jogo and right now with Gojo.
10 shadows
He's like a fighting game player
@rohanking12able gojo said he don’t need that you can cope lmao
@@siniculeYou people have no critical thinking. They’re literally praising each other out of respect at the end of their fight. But we the audience know for a fact that Sukuna only has DE and 10s to actually get Gojo
@@jeremiahp5634u didn't read the manga gojo stated himself it wouldn't be easy even without 10s sukuna only speed up the process lol
I was disappointed by how much Sukuna relied on 10 Shadows during this fight instead of using his own abilities, but your explanation on why he did that makes a lot of sense. In hindsight, that improves the overall quality of the fight for me. Still upset that Gojo got off-screened though, 9/10 fight with a 1/10 ending.
"off screened" is a bit of an overstatement imo. it would have been 2 panels at most and I honestly think they wouldn't be necessary.
All you would have witnessed is Gojo, after a blink of an eye, starts to cough blood, gets cut in half from his torso. Not only does this look unfitting but also removes the shock factor of it from the previous chapter. I know this personally because I was excited for the next chapter also a bit worried. Seeing Gojo see Geto was great, but Geto and Gojo were talking about things only their older selves would know meaning it wasn’t a flashback. Then Gojo starts hinting he died. But we haven’t seen it yet so it leaves the reader very worried while doubting Gojo is actually dead because of the last chapter and then it finally hits you. I find it very fitting he was off screened. Even his death now makes sense too and wasn’t just bs. Perhaps this makes it sound less bad?
I was still mad about it later on when they described what happened in full detail and the binding vow. But that’s what makes it good. Gege knows how to play with emotions and give you false hope without it being necessarily bad writing.
Thank you for making a video on the chapter with out spoiling the outcome with your thumbnail and title like most of the RUclipsrs covering it are doing. You’re a real one six
@8:28
1. Additional damage done to Megumi's soul because he overexerted unlimited void
2. Even with Sakuna "weakened" he gave him an extreme buff
3. Geto's body is still being paraded around by a mysterious cursed brain
4. All the kids have to pick up the slack because of the adult AGAIN!
5. Although he said that he'd leave it to Shoko to handle, he never got a chance to tell Megumi about his Toji.
Just boiling his last moments done to him having a good fight is what fans are talking about. He had a clear and direct mission with the intention of freeing his adopted student and all Gege could do was shit in him more to continue his efforts to make everyone not like this character.
And even if the explanation Six gave about why Gojo has nothing to regret made sense, the fact remains that Gojo said nothing about any of this. It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth because it feels like I'm meant to take away that Gojo suddenly doesn't care about his Students or Geto's body at all.
Also his point of that gojo drew a line between himself and others because he started to gojo on solo missions is just wrong. He started going on solo missions because he realized that he can't go all out when he has friends around. As kenjaku said, gojo is at his strongest when he is alone. He has no hindrance.
Yeahhh he should definitely have some regrets 😂😂, specially on the Geto part. He literally said he wasn’t 100% satisfied because of it lol
He believes in his allies , even he thought the win wasn't guaranteed , he believes that the rest can solve the problems even after his death and even told shoko to tell megumi incase he dies.
Other reason is maybe all he wanted was satisfaction.
Still it's hard to believe he died without regrets even if he thinks his students can solve the problems.
@@lorhengleap5300 But during the entire story Gojo is shown to care for his students and inspire them to be stronger. He saved 2 sorcerers from assassination because for 1 he cared for, and the other was a recommendation from his favourite adopted student. Gojo was mad with the higher ups when Yuji died because of them.
He for sure cares about his students and in his afterlife him saying there is a emotional gap between him and others and he doesn't care creates contradiction. Also him dying did the same thing he hates, young people being burdened with the responsibilities of adults
honestly, this was a beautiful break down of the whole fight
Great vid broski. I agree with the characterization of Gojo section completely
This is a monstrous comeback! I *have* to give you applause. This is how content creators covering all things comics should handle these situations. For Gojo's survival, we should wait and see. You're right. The subtle way you addressed the fandom's obsession was extremely diplomatic and you earned stripes for that. Let the author write their story. It's supposed to cause an emotional reaction. That's what makes it a good story. Addressing the clues that were littered throughout gives you hella bonus points that other content creators didn't earn for themselves. A lot of jokes are going to stop now, and anyone who lambasted you before will likely drop the issue.
It's true that you can't make everyone happy. But you're also not the author of the series. You can only work with the material you're given and maintain neutrality as you do so. The situation is ever changing. This conflict is already off the rails in the most Gege way. And we all know how Gege is. The harder we try to push the story in a certain direction, the harder he / she will troll us. You could turn this follow-up into a master class on how to cover this sort of material and recover from community backlash. Excellent work!
it's good to see someone who is able to step down and admit that they didn't came to the right conclusion.
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Word. Six is the first I've observed taking this route. There are even bigger channels who took straight to turning on Gege, just fanning the flames. Sure, they're entitled to their opinions, but they're encroaching on libel, which could get them flagged for take downs. Taking a break to cool off was a big brain play by Six. We're not going to love everything along the way, but have to trust the author because that's who knows the ending. Even if Gojo somehow survives, this loss means something. But we have to wait for it to appear.
I hope more content creators learn to follow this example - especially since he opened up the discussion even more in the process. He hit on something that I had said. Gojo would've seen the cursed energy flowing around Sukuna. Something unique happened that wasn't revealed by the black flashback panel showing a Cleave. Gege's being cryptic for good reason, and it's probably going to be important later on. I'm sure we're missing something big about Mahoraga that hasn't been revealed yet.
Nothing says that Mahoraga can pass along it's adaptations, but nothing says that it can't. Also, Hollow Purple washes the detonation area in light before it explodes. Mahoraga can move through shadows, so shadows would've been everywhere when it vanished in those two panels from chapter 235. Those shadows can be on the underside of surfaces, which is how Mahoraga came through the floor on Gojo before. Mahoraga suspiciously took minimal damage from Reverse Red in the building. The panels suggest an adaptation to Limitless Blue, but didn't actually say that. It was worded deceptively because Infinity could've caused the badkfire, and Gojo disabled Blue when he intercepted Mahoraga anyway. Also, Blue hit Agito but didn't actually hit Mahoraga at all. Mahoraga was instructed to adapt to Infinity when it was taking damage from Lapse, and it can only adapt to one type at a time, so it couldn't adapt to Blue while adapting to Infinity.
All of this makes for a strange combination. When Gojo's arm was cut off, I don't think the model was completed in a way that Sukuna could use. Otherwise, he could've ended Gojo at any time after that. But he waited despite having numerous opportunities. Why? He used Piercing Blood at the end when he had Gojo in perfect position to Cleave him. Why get boomed by the Hollow Purple anyway? Something is missing. So, Six making sure to question how was the right way to go. I bet Gege wants us asking questions.
@@JimmyCrackorn not sure what youtubers youve been watching but there are plenty of big JJK ones that have been open minded with the out come from understanding how Sukuna pulled off cleave to the meaning of the "dream" and accepting Gojo off screen. They didnt mention any distaste with Gege simply that the outcome wasnt what they expected.
Ive been watching various types for this chapter 236 from Gojo being dead to Gojo coming back to break downs from the fight to how the students will rival Sukuna. Theres a much better understanding now that we have had the full translation instead of leaks alone. We can say Gojo is officially dead, the students can learn something from observing Gojos fighting techniques and yes Gojo dialogue and off sceen was shitty but Gege is already moving the plot foward, not much we can do.
@@SemekiIzuio I'm not outing anyone because I don't want to disrespect Six by outright mentioning other channels in his comments, and I definitely don't want to spark rivalries between communities. I'm speaking specifically of those who were upset by chapter 236, not those who suspected more to come before chapter 236. I'm going to refrain from encouraging the team Gojo vs team Sukuna thing because I think it's more nuanced than that. Of those who were upset, Six was the first I've seen to reevaluate, take a minute to calm down, and extend an olive branch.
There are a lot of content creators, so I admittedly don't have the same exposure to the range of them as you do. You could've seen others before I have, some I haven't even heard of. So I'm careful not to say the first of all, only the first I've seen. Of those I follow, he's the only one who hasn't called it bad writing, blamed Gege for forgetting stuff, etc, etc. Hell, I predicted this outcome and one of the creators I follow allowed his community to dogpile and flame me for weeks. He's got a huge channel, and I went back solely to call him out on it before unsubscribing. But Six made peace, so full switch. I'll go with the diplomatic creator any day.
Some things will make us sour, but that's what makes us appreciate them. Six earned my respect by using that instead of rejecting it. In truth, we like imperfect things because they give us problems to solve so that we aren't bored. A great writer knows how to intentionally disappoint everyone in some way, then tie it all together in the end.
It was how i expected... including sukuna domain of jujutsu to overpower gojo defense. BUT...
The gojo character destruction in this chapter... that dont went well. Gege destroyed the character in 1 chapter, killed him offscreen. I dont even wanna know how Yuji will end... Gege hate Yuji too.
13:11 He held back because it's not a normal 1v1 .
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If Gojo beat Sukuna then that's the end of it. If Sukuna beat Gojo he still has to fight the next challenger(s). I think it was Kukasabe who said that in the chapter, I'm too lazy to check but I just wanted to say that cos it's one of the things that irked me about your video. Not bad overall though, I liked your take on why Gojo shouldn't have regrets despite the loss.
“Throughout the size and proportions, I alone am the 1/2 one” ~random commenter
Finally FOLKS THE VIDEO WEVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
my bad gang. Also you had first comment!
The one indeed...
this was singlehandedly one of the most toxic anime community events of all time
But ALSO one of the most entertaining
Also brought out some of the funniest memes and agendas
Yes. Like the biggest I’ve seen in recent years.
Also it’s exposing people who don’t understand character writing more complex than Naruto
@@Zypixer malfunctioning shrine meme made me spit out my food when I first saw it.
@@SenatorWOOMY-xi9hl them mahodaddy memes were absolutely pure gold man, so hilarious
This JJK fight was set up, masterfully. With the protagonist Gojo as the strongest, it inadvertently put Sakuna in the position we’re used to seeing the good guys, in.. which is on their heels tryna figure out how not to die. I knew Gojo was going to die, because of it. The underdog always wins and Sakuna was the underdog, in this fight. Proving that he could overcome the odds.
I think the reason people have a big problem with Gojo's death in the most recent chapter is not because he died, and might not even necessarily be because Gojo got off-screened (Though I do imagine that is a big part of it) but that Gege had been doing a pretty good job so far justifying the decisions made within the story between the characters and the "Power Levels" as well as the very limited amount of "Plot Armour" due to just how much of the cast has been killed in these high-pressure situations.
Gege killing Gojo off screen after showing proof of Gojo's superior combat skills (What you show to the audience is more relevant to viewers' understanding of a work than statements of power levels or skills are. You can't just say that a character is at a certain level of power, you have to substantiate that claim in an action story for a viewer to buy it. A Shounen Manga is the type of story the audience can expect for the combat to be a big part of the exploration of its universe. It doesn't matter what Gege says, it matters what Gege *Shows* )
Gojo was just winning. He was just not losing. Gege showing Gojo getting KO'd off-screen feels less like an authorial statement or artistic decision and much more fundamentally like a letter of resignation or admittance that they would not rather have to answer what they've previously set up.
It's hard to have all the pieces lined up when you're working on a piece of fiction, and especially when you're working under the conditions of Shounen Jump. But I think the reason this one has got everyone raising their eyebrows at it is because Gege did a good job with this kind of stuff before, but doesn't really have a good answer other than not answering it. Gege would rather just ignore or sidestep the issue and hope the audience doesn't pay attention. But of course, the story's not over, and this is just speculation on my part.
Another reason is that "In-Universe" it has been set up that one of the reasons Gojo is so cracked and hard to beat is that he has Cursed Abilities and Magics that are specific in aiding reaction time. And when you play into characters in action stories having fundamentally higher reaction time, it can feel cheap to an audience for those characters with said great reflexes to be caught off guard. I think overall, audiences prefer characters with high reaction times to be overwhelmed, rather than to not be able to see a blow coming, which is what a cutaway of that nature implies. Not that Gojo was too tired to dodge, but that he just didn't see this one. Which doesn't seem in line with The Six Eyes. Especially when The Six Eyes is not a Technique that has to be activated, it is just on at all times.
THIS 100000%. You get it. Gege contradicts himself heavy with this chapter and everything he’s shown before. In powerscaling we have to take feats into account, and Sukuna had no feat that suggested he was superior to Gojo. It just was not set up. On top of Sukuna saying a purple would kill him IN HIS INNER MONOLOGUE so there is no reason for him to lie. Then a purple hits him and he offscreens gojo. Like what
This comment is just delusional tbh. Yes Gege showed Gojo winning BUT was Gojo really winning or was Sukuna holding back?? Gege put MUILTIOLE HINTS mid fight showing that sukuna want really going all out. During the domain battle everyone acknowledged that sukuna was taking the riskier routes in the fight. Gojo doubted himself mid fight and even had the Toji “something is off” comment. We also knew sukuna was waiting for mahoragas adaptation but no one expected that sukuna planned on copying the move, we most likely expected mahoraga to be the on killing Gojo, and this is why Gojo said sukuna could do ably beat him without 10S if he can copy what mahoraga did just know he always had the capacity to do that move, but mahoraga simply made it so he didn’t have to go all out and figure it out kid fight. This aside why would you accept that Gojo fights a guy like sukuna and it would be THAT easy, it literally made no sense Sukuna also wasn’t even using his real technique, the whole community just assumed it’s because HE CANT which is something we don’t even know. The people who are mad are 1: fans of Gojo 2: ignored ALL the hints that something was off the entire fight. You can’t say it’s bad writing when you literally ignore all the things the author did to forshadow the outcome.
@@emmanuelomego7080bro didn't get the point
@@emmanuelomego7080 I don't believe this to be the truth. If Sukuna was trying to kill Gojo, and was capable of killing Gojo handily. He would have done so when he had the monstrous advantage of 3 versus 1. Like it cannot even be explained just how insurmountable of an advantage just 2 versus 1 is in a serious combat context between trained and deadly combatants. And Gojo not only clutched the even more dire straits that were the 3 v 1, he eliminated Sukuna's backup and got it down to a 1 v 1.
Sukuna's best chance at landing a "Gotcha" type hit is not here, it is when there are two other incredibly powerful sentient threats occupying Gojo's time and resources during the 3 v 1.
I think one of Gege's missteps here is like you said, that it's hard to see coming. But it's not that Gojo fans are trying to huff up some copium, but that Gege didn't write Sukuna's skillset well enough for the audience to buy that he has any right in winning. Especially when Gojo proved he was nasty enough to fight three extremely powerful Curses all at the same time.
Sukuna smiling is not proof of anything. Gojo clutching a 3 v 1 and not dying somehow is proof of something, and of much more substantial value to the audience.
@@kylefields3951
I am pretty sure he saw the slash coming.
This is because of his six eyes, like you said.
But how would Gojo know that slash would cut through space and thereby himself?
Atleast thats what I think.
One of the best videos out there on this topic
I like how you explained the "holding back" element. The thing that makes Sukuna extremely dangerous is he is a Genius Jujutsu problem solver. Which makes it likely that even if 10 Shadows was unavailable he would have found another way around the problem that was Gojo's infinity. Would it have been remotely similar? Maybe, maybe not.
Thing is, he had faith in the tool he chose and he played it to the conclusion. And it worked. That does not mean it was impossible for him to put forth another tool to the task and still come out the victor.
I agree. This is what people miss the most. He used Moharaga simply because he had it. If he didn't have it, he would've broke infinity some other way. The attack used was Sukuna's own technique. It wasn't Moharag's. People keep saying that he could have never done it without the 10 shadows. That isn't true.
@@zaerogartorias9890stop lying to yourself for bad writing bruh…you think you are the only one in this ocean of people with a fing brain? Ego crazy lol. No one likes that “should’ve, would’ve, could’ve” nonsense. It’s the fact that during the fight the audience clearly sees sukuna didn’t have something to bypass it and the points that he received dmg or would’ve gotten hurt he used the 10 shadows. You never been in a ball game or argument with someone and they say if they would’ve done this they would win and you would respond “then why didn’t you do it then.” The way some of you guys talk it’s like you do not have real life friends or touch grass bro lol.
I believe it is a stretch to assume that he was going to get past it without Mahoraga. Saying that he was going to do it some other way when sakuna literally says I needed a model on how to do it lets me know that he couldn't on his own. Also I interpret holding back as using things that weren't going to be effective vs. What was
@@ShadeThaArtist Gojo stated he didn't know if he could beat 10 Shadowless Sukuna himself. A stretch? No.
Gojo's infinity has weaknesses. We have seen it be breached by multiple different applications and some things (like poison) were mentioned as possible weaknesses but not explored.
Sukuna WANTED a model for his CLEAVE. He didn't know how to get his primary attack that he spams the whole series past infinity. But he wanted to, and using Mahoraga, he did.
Nowhere does Sukuna state that he needed Mahoraga to win. Only that he used him to win. A subtle, but distinct difference.
@@TyrantofthewindOK you are stating what gojo said, but you are not looking into what the actual attack user says, that he needed a model to bypass infinity. Yes he wanted to do with his technique. The thing is sukuna is a genius at understanding jujutsu sorcery and curse technique. He understood how mahoraga's adaptation works. I don't think any other user of 10S have ever done this or could have done. He understood that mahoraga can provide him that model which he can use to bypass infinity. And he had time to prepare for battle with gojo. Sukuna had used mahoraga before gojo's fight against yorozu, so he definitely knew how to watch mahoraga and use his model. Sukuna wasn't sure of any other way to bypass infinity, but to see mahoraga bypass it. So it's a stretch to consider he could have done it on his own.
15:16 this is the best take on "Sukuna holding back" and the recent reveal of Yorozu's gift not something that can break through Gojo's Infinity, Sukuna had no real way of breaking through the Infinity. im so tired of Sukuna dickriders saying that the Flame Arrows could breakthrough the Infinity as if JJK follows the dumb Dragon Ball rule of "higher energy beats anything". NO that ruins how the power system in JJK works.
Nah, Sukuna "feared death for the first time" admited that hollow purple could be fatal to him, just for Gege state that he was holding back, and he could have beaten Gojo without 10S, while the whole thing that made him survive the fight AND his final strike was ALL 10S. Honestly, idk what Gege was thinking him, but I trust him and I still think he is cooking something. This does NOT feel right. Big plot twist incoming.
Look at it how Toji did. Toji was being cautious. Sukuna was probably doing the same. Toji foreshadowed a lot
@@dominicwoodford5711 Im not mad at all that Gojo died, he needed to, and I expected that he would since the beggining, but this was pure bs. Toji was being cautious but he did go all out and never feared anything on the first round, because HE KNEW HE WAS STRONGER. He only showed nervousness and fear when Gojo learned RCT and the true power of limitless. If Sukuna knew he was still holding back and was stronger from the beginning, why did he admitted that Purple could kill him and got desesperated when Gojo launched red in the sky to make the remote purple? Why did he felt nervous for the first time in a 1000 years? Look, if he had thought all the fight that everyone was under control, even if he was getting his ass beated, this would make sense. Maybe he was testing Gojo. But no. Multiple times he feared, he got nervous, he thought he could lose. And while all that he was holding back? Pure bs. Gege just took the fraudkuna trend personally and wanted to prove everything wrong, but this makes no sense. Sukuna needed to win for the story keep going, but the way Gege writed this ending. Honestly doesnt make any sense. I hope Gege is cooking something because this does not feel right at all.
@@dominicwoodford5711the Toji fit needs to be locked away and guarded at all times.
@@SenatorWOOMY-xi9hl foreal!! 😂
Shit would be crazy if Yuji pulls it out
It was never stated he feared death for the first time. It said he experienced the height of tension for the first time in 1000 years. You gojo stans are even making up your own manga to defend him. Read the manga before commenting on it.
honestly you bringing up that gojo is sukuna's "toji" is helping me cope a lot better
Blackbeard taught Sukuna off screen haki 😭
We don’t even see the action of Sukuna releasing the attack. One chapter gojo is smiling and sukuna is leaning on the wall, and the next gojo is cut in half and sukuna is smiling 💀
I have a theory that yuji is gonna absorb gojos left over energy
@@fallen_token The way they animate this is going to be hilarious. People are going to be so confused as to wtf just happened 😂
Honestly Lightnings official translation has been my favorite interpretation of the chapter out of all of them
I literally rewrote the entire video based on his translations
Link?
I've seen an argument that disregards nanami's statement leading back to gojo saying that no one can truly understand him.
Yea bro you was spitting here. I'm glad you were able to take a step back and see it without your emotions taking over because this really did wonders for gojos character and was great send off
Waited on this video💯 we stand in unison
W man
RIP my 7th favorite white haired character
Glad you’re back!!
Thank you for actually being smart unlike 99% of these Twitters users and RUclipsrs. I felt like so many people were misinterpreting Gojo’s words on Sukuna not going all in. Even Kusakabe makes it clear Gojo can go all out well Sukuna cannot.
“Sukuna can’t afford to unload everything he has. But Gojo can fight unhindered. This carries the best chance of success.”
Sukuan was pretty passive throughout this fight and took many blows just for an adaptation. If he had another/better technique off rip for getting past neutral limitless why retain so much damage? Wouldn’t make any sense.
He's not going all out because he doesn't want to or need to it's cuz he can't which is a huge difference in portrayal. Which is why a lot of people think Gojo saying that he's not sure if he could beat sukuna without 10 shadows is strange and irritating as a reader.
Well he logically will need to fight the other students. So why would he unload his entire bag straight off the rip if he’s confident he can win with only mahoraga/ten shadows. Taking unnecessary damage is also irrelevant for these characters cause they can literally just heal.
Plus sukuna is the king of curses. Gaining knowledge on how to beat the most broken ability in the series would be pretty useful when you live for 1000’s of years
@@ebola52u do realize sukuna can bypass infinity all along he saw mahoraga and wanted to use him as a blueprint to speed up the process keep up bruh
@@xiongbreeze that's not how that worked my guy. He couldn't bypass Infinity which is why he was watching Mahoraga do it so he can learn to do it. You are the one that needs to keep up lmao
@@brycenb2994 taking damage does matter because you run out of cursed energy faster if you take a bunch of damage and heal it. It had nothing to do with confidence he was using Mahoraga to learn how to bypass Infinity. We don't know if he had a way to bypass it before the fight because it hasn't been confirmed.
This is the best explanation of the fight and replicates my feelings exactly
This is honestly the most fair interpretation i have seen yet, and i have watched SO MANY video responses to this chapter by different creators.
The only small disagreement i have is that its made abundantly clear throughout the manga that sukunas learning power is ungodly. We are warned about it time and time again. So I believe gojo is saying sukuna would have learned to bypass infinity on his own, albeit taking more time.
The disagreementi have with your analysis is that it wouldn’t have resulted in a gojo W because sukuna would have take FAR less damage in this scenario taking into account the fact that he spent most of the fight eating hits on purpose to spin the wheel.
Wrong.
CT can't change nature like that.
Since when can Sukana CT adapt like that or effect space?
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlare you ok... that's literally what happened in the fight. Sukuna learned how to cut through infinity. He's not wrong. He would have probably figured it out even without mahoraga.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl there is no nature change. He just changed targets
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlThat's literally how Sukuna cut Gojo.. and how he has done everything in the entire manga. Sukuna, whether by a CT or not, is somehow able (and has always been able to) learn how to do things by observing something else.
@@ignorantslaves89 yeah my point is that sukuna explanation is a ass pull.
His CT was only seen able to effect and cut matter.
It wasn't able to effect something like space.
Space isn't even a object it's what objects are in
six real asf for waiting to process his emotions before making this great video
I’m sure others have said it, but props for a non biased analysis. You really broke down the chapter with no emotion just feats. Not many in the game able to do so 👏🏿
Sukuna literally created a hit box and said "anything in this space gets cut." As crazy as it sounds, Infinity is a pretty simple thing to get through if you really think about it. Yes, it stops anything from getting NEAR gojo but it doesnt necessarily stop him from getting HIT. If you can just HIT gojo infinity is useless. He's as durable as any other human he just has mega regeneration if the hit doesnt kill him. So when you HIT him, make that hit count and boom fights done.
Underrated comment 🔥
Cook again
I always knew from the first moment we saw those eyes
He is sans undertale
He is FAR more durable than the normal human, that statement is crazy
@@afewthreads1460 nah he isn’t. Be realistic here. Have you genuinely not noticed how much damage gojo takes when u actually hit him? Man literally go his throat cut out (young gojo but still). The guy literally got murdered. By a guy. With a KNIFE. That’s all it took.
the narrator will say "Goy Joy" then gojo started to smile and the drums of kaisen will be heard
I think what Gojo ment hen he said Sukuna didn't give it his all was that he didn't push him to come up with something on the fly, he didn't make deviate from his original plan, cuz when Gojo said he gave it his all he mentioned something about his quick thinking
Actually the best interpretation of the fight I’ve seen, props dude 🔥
I just need Gege to explain how Gojo didn’t see the ‘spark’ of this attack if it was the same thing mahoroga did. At the bare minimum he should’ve seen the startup
What are ppl talking about... he didn't dodge any other cleaves. Why would he think this one is different
Probably too fast for him to notice/ fully react to
@@alswisha8519because in the chapter before this the narrator makes a big deal about how every CT has a start up and a ‘spark’ that no one even Gojo with his refinement of CE can’t evade this rule or however the wording is. So for Gojo to have the 6E and being at his full strength due to black flash it makes no sense 1) that he couldn’t even see the technique 2) for any student to be Able to defend against this technique in the future. Now if Gege says “well it’s a one use technique so he can’t just spam it” then I guess I’ll accept that answer but it’s poor excuse imo.
@@dominicwoodford5711 which means that no one else should be able to react to it unless of a half assed reason
@@khalilwilson2586 it isn't a big technique tho it was just a simple slash with the ability to target spacetime... he didn't dodge mahoraga why would he dodge sukuna lol
Yeaaaa run that back lil boy🗣🗿🗣🗿
In all seriousness I respect yall and the goat, Gg's.
Really like your takes on Gojo's character as well. W video
Peak fight... but the end of the fight feels like Gege stabbed us in the back.
No one can deny how impressive Gojo looked in the fight, and for all of that be almost debunked in 1 chapter is frustrating.
Think about it this way. If Gojo had not said that Sukuna was pretty much stronger than him, most of us would have came to the conclusion that they were somewhat equal with Mahoraga being the deciding factor. NOW you have Gojo's very own words working against you if you have that opinion.
Gege just shit on the story
Gojo was being humble IMO. If Mike Tyson said Buster Douglas was the better fighter would anybody realistically look at their two careers and come to that same conclusion?
@@GodKiller97 Gojo? Like the idea, but don't excuse the trash execution.
I think it's less Gojo "glazing" Sukuna as many have taken it. Gojo finally got to go all out and play, he pushed his technique to its utmost limit. Sukuna spent pretty much the entire fight having to use someone else's CT to find a way around Gojo's Infinity. He didn't get to go all out like Gojo finally got to and Gojo feels bad for him bc of that
Sukuna and Gojo are not even close to being equal. Sukuna was dominating most of the fight
I really do hope more positive videos like this one become the main interpretation of the chapter, instead of all this rage and hate I've seen floating around it.
After reading the official chapter myself too my only gripe was with sukuna holding back but your explanation makes so much sense why he had too, and gojo being off screened was just damn bad on the authors part but other than that I enjoyed it
For some reason a lot folks fail to consider Gege's reason for intentionally having off screened Gojo. He most likely is saving the reveal of how things went down for a later chapter.
I personally don't understand the critique of this decision, some even claiming this to be bad writing, before waiting for the next couple of chapters and see what the author does narratively
@@Sanchase I call it bad writing lol. Gojo was problematic for the writing process given his abilities and power. Now you’ve got the same thing. They both should’ve died at the end of this fight. Whether it be by each other or Kenjaku coming in to swipe the kills at the end.
Because with Sukuna’s newer adaptation of the ability. There’s no reasonable way to believe he’s able to be killed by any of these sorcerers that still exist OR cursed spirits. He just launched one of the, if not THE most powerful attack possible in JJK. Any solution to Sukuna will feel like BS kind of like Gojo dying suddenly, as if he never had a chance, and then you’re gonna have this same circumstance.
As far as my opinion goes Gojo and Sukuna help the story exponentially by being each others enemy for the possibility of a GRAND clash and the epitome of Jujutsu. You’d also solidify Kenjaku as a big bad by getting rid of the two.
Yeah I get its for future chapters, but personally just seeing Gojo getting offscreened after the whole build up kinda annoyed me
@@SuperEvilTurkeyItadori would have some resistance if not immunity to cleave and dismantle as seen with Goni being able to tank his own Purple. It’s been hinted at multiple times that Itadori has an imprint of Sukunas cursed energy. Considering he’s also a cursed child it would mean Itadori potentially is the perfect match for Sukuna.
Been knowing you ever since you hopped on the Naruto debates with Swag and (redacted) the programmer. The way you analyzed sukunas mindset prior to and during the fight earned a sub from me for sure. Amazing interpretation!
As a sukuna fan, I also would have liked to see the actual attack on gojo. It would’ve been more satisfying for both fanbases and better for the overall narrative imo. We’d probably have a more clear answer about the nature of sukuna’s attack as well and if he could pull it off without maho. So that’s a shame. Good vid tho and respect six it was honestly one of the most hype fights I’ve looked forward to in a manga. Gonna miss the leak days of it. ❤
Sukuna combined Mahoraga sword and his slash and dismantle for the interdimensional slash. We know how that happened, it just feel so anticlimatic because if that is what Sukuna capable of then Gojo had no chance since the beginning of the fight.
The only I thing I don’t want is to see the attack land. Maybe it t could be something similar to Toji in the anime.
I'm still confused. Gojo said Sukuna don't need Mahoraga to win. But Mahoraga is how Sukuna won. Is there something I missed?
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 He also said Sukuna was holding back against (which was likely his true form and ◼️: Open). He’s unsure he could’ve won against these abilities, especially since he doesn’t know them.
I read through all of JJK this weekend just to see what the hype around this moment was about. I think this video is the best take I've seen on the fight, it reminds me of when we first saw Yama vs Yhwach. That fight also got the community feeling cheated in some way, but with hindsight it was perfect. I'm happy to finally be able to watch your videos on this amazing series as well.
I love that interpretation of Gojo being Sukuna's Toji. I didn't think about it like that but it makes alot of sense 👍🏽
I believe its more like, Gojo wears his "creators" outfit to probably the battle of his life and the future of the world. The only reason Gojo could rival Sukuna was basically his insanity and the ability to constantly heal his brain, which was given to him by Toji, when he decided to give one final blow to the head.
A lot of the time the deep talks in JJK that the characters have don’t make sense at all. And the readers are often the ones who make up their own interpretations of it because they already in their heads expect it to be something good because it’s JJk.
My biggest problem is how gojo says sukuna was holding back and he would of lost even if sukuna didnt have ten shadows both are wrong. He couldn't of adapted to infinity without mahoraga and if u got knocked out bleedinging through the eyes unable to make a domain then sukuna had to be trying
The way I've decided on looking at it basically forces it too come down to how long the fight is. If it's a relatively short fight, I'd give it too Gojo. If it's a long, drawn out slug-fest, I'd give it Sukuna. Him having the higher capacity for CE, and, at least in my opinion having a larger amount of raw talent for Jujutsu, as evidenced by open-barrier domain, I think means its a fairly safe bet that if Sukuna could survive long enough, he'd find a way around infinity, even without Mahoraga
@@InsomniaticDeathWishThis. He said he wanted Mahoraga to be a role model. Not that it was his only option. He even said he was anticipating that Mahoraga would be able to cut through infinity
it's nonsense at this time, I don't believe a sec gojo dead with no regrets. Because he been sealed, lots of people dead, friends even. Because of his dying, more people will suffer. He didn't feel any of that ?
The deal between yuji and sukuna is pointless, sukuna literally feeds a curse object to fushigoro, and it doesn't count as harm, WTF...
World building also got busted. What's higher ups, exactly? What do they do? Do they print money ? Do they have capable army? What's their source of power, and how does this power structure work ? Jesus...
Right or wrong going through these chapters and seeing everyone so passionate about them was a lot of fun. Glad i found this chanel and got to be apart of it
so sakuna's upgrade, the best way i can explain it is if kenjaku uses gravity instead of the slashes getting pushed down it now cuts the gravity and keep going instead. or maybe if someone opens a portal infront of it, it would no longer go through the portal but cut it inhalf instead. he gained the ability to cut concepts, absolutely crazy
The concept never make sense. Cutting only apply to object. Say that a set of space is an object and you cut that space. Now we add more space. Each time you cut a space there is another. That is basically the concept of infinity. Theoretically speaking you cannot cut something that is infinite.
@@brandonjablasone7544 it was pushing and blocking before but now all the aspects of how it was pushing is getting cut he is now cutting the numbers themselves instead of them pushing back as a force
This video was a phenomenal point of view of chapter 236.
Gege does not like Gojo. I believe he wanted the impact of that hard cut to his body cut in half. I think it was very creative chapter composition. It felt like gruesome death in horror movie.
Nicely explained
I do agree not actually showing the slash from Sukuna is a big L. Was it a sure hit was it not? Did the six eyes not see Sukuna’s mood change?
Or a change in the spark/cursed energy build up? My issue is Sukuna has to raise his hand and cast cleave. Did Gojo just stand there and was like yeah this won’t reach me then bam?
If so that’s just the worst/lamest way this could have gone down. But like they are in the same standing position and distance from last chapter. It kinda makes me think that’s why Gege didn’t draw it out.
The last thing I wanna mention is the panel where it says for the first time in 1000 years Sukuna was nervous. Why get visibly angry that you lost Agito? Why waste all of chapter 235 fighting Gojo scared if that was AFTER Mahoraga already got his 2nd adaptation?
Shit just rubs me the wrong way. Almost like Gege came up with Sukuna’s W at the end. But I know this simply can’t be true.
Bro really could have just blitzed weakened Sukuna and hit him with a red but didn’t 😭 for no reason in particular. Maki even says the whole point was the immobilize Sukuna. After Yuji was like I got a plan.
I mean why declare Goyo the winner, to just backtrack in the next panel basically, it feels cheap to do that, like he wanted people to believe Goyo won so he could shit in their faces the next moment
@@abelochoaizquierdo5707se you guys werent using your thinking caps. No way you actually thought the fight was over in 235 unless you were a gojo stan. It was an obvious setup for a gojo loss
@@GeoX242 nah man, I knew Goyo was done since the start of the fight, but you can't deny that is dirty to declare Goyo the winner to then backtrack the claim, and it wasn't someone saying it, it was a narrator text bubble, why do that if he wasn't the winner?, to me it felt cheap
@@abelochoaizquierdo5707 Wasn't a narrator bubble, sprry to say, but the rest of your point stands.
Man, Gege really hates Gojo. Must've lived rent free in his head at all times for him to do that.
“Wait until I got over all of my rage”
Real and true 😭
The problem Gege has is that Gojo was too strong not to be the main character, and because of that you had to make an antagonist who is even stronger than him. Gojo not only was a problem because he solved everyone’s problem, but because he made any problem that was bigger then him pretty much impossible to solve by the rest of the cast without it being an asspull. The problem with JJK now is Sukuna
Same problem with Naruto ending with Madara, had to asspull. Only HxH seemed to find a way to make overpowered characters still be killable by weaker characters due to the nen system.
Another banger video in every aspect! 🔥 I can’t even begin to explain it’d be too much! Keep it up 👍
When Kenjaku the one that spent every era fighting 6eyes even told Gojo”You really think you beat Sukana”. When Sukana wasn’t even in his 20-fingers form was foreshadowing Gojo defeat. Gojo even started the fight at 120%. Sukana is the king of curses that fought for his position in THE GOLDEN ERA. Everytime Gojo died or got captured was because he was living through the title of “the strongest”.
On the latest chapter we found out Gojo really didn’t understand why he was the strongest or who he was outside of his 6eyes
I’ve been saying what you said repeatedly about the 120% thing. Also Sukuna isn’t one to misjudge things and in the first encounter I’m sure Sukuna says he’d slam Gojo
Gojo started the fight with 120% PURPLE. Not his other stats. Just that move. It's made clear by even Sukuna when he says he tanked because he was in perfect condition and it was far.
golden era doesn't mean much tbh, even jogo was stated to be worth more than the people that sukuna fought in the 1000 year of his life
@@Sovereign7767 So you saying jogo that was high being worth being 4-6 fingers sukana was stronger than 80-90% of the golden era? I seen that statement by kenjaku to hype up jogo to further his own plans. The golden era go mean much when every reference to Sukuna was in 20 finger form
5:45 Space slash probably can be dodged by a moving target. Seems like Sukuna is able to populate a slash at a specific coordinate the way that you plot points on a graph.
That would explain why Gojo didn’t react to the attack. He may have seen the spark and waited to see the attack be projected but it wasn’t projected, it manifested on top of him.
@@DoesntMatter23 Shake he skipped on it. This conclusion was so rushed, maaaan.
Excited to see how the story progresses gojo glazing sukuna leaves room for the students to grow can’t wait to see what gege cooks up
Finally someone actually talking sense the community has been straight up jumping the gun in this and bandwagoning no opinion of theirs seems to make sense. Instead all of it is coming off as a fit they are throwing cuz gojo is dead.
glad you at least noticed the problem with gojo somehow not noticing the "flash" before sukuna used his new reality slash which he definitely would've seen the start up to since sukuna was able to sense gojo's flash when he was about to fire off red and gojo has better CE perception than sukuna. the only explanation for sukuna being able to actually surprise him with it is that he can do it instantly. which would still make no sense based on what was established in the previous chapter. also gojo could respond by simply using his teleportation he fogot about for 95% of the fight to leave his range and come back once sukuna misses his opportunity to use the slash.
and yeah, gojo definitely wins against sukuna without 10S considering he only needs to fuck up once in the domain clashes for it to be game over. if he's off with his own domain expansion by even 0.01 seconds, gojo wins because he'll be stun locked by unlimited void and mahoraga won't be there to bail him out. the same applies if gojo manages to destroy sukuna's domain before his own collapses from sukuna's attacks.
gojo barely could register cleave throughout the fight if not for gojo RCT he would be fucking dead bro, he has had no way to properly dodge it from the first clash sukuna did, he was shocked he couldnt see it u could see it on his face
@@bonessxd1774 he should still be able to register the actual start up of the technique even if he can't see the slashes themselves. it makes even less sense considering the properties of a cleave that cuts reality would have to be significantly different from others sukuna had used before earlier in the battle. and gojo did have a way to avoid getting cleaved. he just forgot for 95% of the fight that he could teleport.
if i remember correctly, Sukuna said the reason he couldn’t sense it is because it wasn’t Targeting him rather the space itself
@@Resepticsregistering the start up doesn’t mean you can react to the attack. We literally see mahoraga cleave through an arguably more on guard Gojo but your surprised sukuna can do the same??
@@brycenb2994 so you're just going to copy gaygay and also ignore the fact that gojo can teleport? got it.
this is the best analysis video
i started reading jjk for saturu “freaking” gojo … ...
Your thumbnail black type choice is straight S teir 🔥🔥🔥
Gojo and sukuna were equally as powerful. The difference was experience. Gojo is in his 20s while sukuna is over 1000 years old and dominated the golden era of jujutsu. Their difference was experience, not power.
Never thought of it like that
@AtulBasnet no he just holding back ct because he couldn’t use it against gojo infinity. Also if sukuna de disable infinity why not end the fight because it wasn’t strong enough. Also sukuna ce reinforcement is top notch bro. Ain’t no way let gojo punch hole in his chest and knock him out with a black flash. Sukuna not dumb to lower his durability for gojo.Sukuna basically weakened gojo durability. Good analogy is two knights are fighting to death one has a incredible shield that block every thing with good sword combat. While other has two swords with incredible attack power. The knight with two sword will have a harder time fighting the knight with a shield and a sword. Doesn’t mean other is holding back attack power. Sukuna found a way to get around that shield while also reduce the opponent durability.
I actually think there’s a since of beauty of how gojo died i loved gojo but the way he died is poetic
Personally, I like the artistic feel of seeing Gojo in the afterlife then cutting to see him already dead. It's not like the slash would have any struggle to it, it'd just be an instantaneous slash that killed him almost instantly, so I don't think not see a single frame of an attack detracts from the moment. It isn't like we didn't see the fight, we just saw the result of the final attack rather than the attack itself.
ong its just like how gojo used hollow purple against toji and it cut to him having a hole in his body
theres alot to the fight from chapter 235 than to the attack bruh, it seemed like sukuna was nearly dead at the end and gojo was getting ready to put him down and your saying like directly 5 seconds after he used the technique and killed gojo? I feel like if they added a chapter or just a few more panels to show the rest of the scenes leading up to the attack it'd seem more coherent cause it felt like a ass pull how from 235-236 like they skipped the whole climax of the fight
@@zankoushadow fax it does feel like a page was missing but this was most likely a choice gege made so he can nerf sukunas new technique if he ever needs to in later chapters
@@zankoushadowThat’s called a plot twist. You Gojo fans will keep moving the goal post because you don’t know what you actually want
I think him “Going North” might’ve been a metaphor for a new six eyes user being born
What is there to regret the students he left behind with a chance of death the knew jujutsu world he never Got to see In shibuya he was so angry that he was using Getos body never being addressed after the, fact Nanami was wright Gojo only cared for the fight
Thinking back now, go back and look at the panel where Gojo asks Geto if they should kill everyone in the room while he's holding riko's corpse.. right then and there is the moment where all paths diverged
smoking that gojo pack 🚬😮💨💨
13:00 i felt like sukuna was holding back the entire fight and at the same time he was finding a way to counter infinity. Not like he didn't enjoy it though hehe.
Ok first some of my coping thoughts
Learning that Sukuna never went all out and that Gojo did not think he could win even if he didn't have 10 shadows it weird to thing of even with retrospect given all the narrative implications, and that off screen kill felt like Gege's Gojo hate is showing in that moment
Now some more calm thoughts
I don't think we sould have ever thought he would have won but I don't think anyone thought it would happen after a narrator victory claim but also across manga chapters for that anime delay cut. Gege has said he hated Gojo and he does do stuff like this a lot with him gaslighting us a lot into thinking we have a reason to have hope, also I do think the "Gojo won" claim might still be true given the win condition for Gojo was to either beat Sukuna or weaken him to a point that the other can kill him
I think you are seriously reaching with this video the Nanami point for example, you are right that it is not character assasination but you are very wrong as why. The why is simple, it is Naomi’s opinion it is not a statement of fact just because Nanami said it. Gojo wanting to have strong students to help make a better society for Jujutsu is hardly selfish, him delaying the execution of a child and trying to find an alternative solution is hardly selfish. And the fight, in writing it usually best to show not tell. Throughout the fight we are SHOWN Gojo being the better fighter, to my memory until chapter 234 I believe Sukuna does not land a SINGLE physical hit on Gojo they are all parried or miss or are countered, we are shown Gojo surviving Sukuna’s Domain we are shown Sukuna getting stunlocked after a brief exposure to his we are SHOWN Sukuna getting knocked out by Gojo and needing Mahoraga to save him we are shown Sukuna getting nervous we are SHOWN Sukuna Frantically trying to save Maho from being oneshot. We are shown all these things and then we get a monologue from Sukuna being TOLD that he has some super amazing technique that he learned perfected and deployed offscreen no less we are then TOLD he was holding back, we see no evidence of that we see him using his domain several times for example after previously having a narrator statement that this is the pinnacle of Jujutsu and now we are told he was holding back some super secret technique that bypasses all his defenses. Sukuna states himself that a hollow purple in this current state would kill him and then he tanks a nuke made of it we are also told his RCT output is lowered and then he is just fine a panel later. It’s not just about Gojo dying or even being offscreened it is the massive dichotomy between what are SHOWN vs the contradictory statements we are later TOLD. THAT is bad writing, and you are reaching to defend it. That is why people are mad but most probably cannot put it into the words I just did.
Additional point: at 16:10 You are stating that Sukuna not trying to destroy it from the inside is riskier and shows how he was holding back to let Mahoraga adapt. It’s very simple isn’t it? Their sure hits cancel out he cannot use the domain sure hit to attack it from the inside and he cannot use other techniques and domain amp at the same time. It was weird myself when I first read that. You cannot explain how Sukuna would otherwise attack the inside in that situation without using head canon or saying he could use his “open” which we do not the conditions for so it’s all speculation.
Idk what ppl wanted to see. Gojo standing there and then falling in half? Sukuna attacks are invisible
Good video. I love how you took some time to get over your emotions before making any solid claims about it. You're really mature.
I’m sorry Six…
thanks diego!
As someone who has heard alot about jjk but never cared to start watching it.
I have to say Gojo's death was the perfect trigger 😂
I would not mind if he just died from the explosion and leave a sukuna weak but show him dominate the fight and make him say he didn't think he could win even when sukuna didn't use mahoraga that s nonsense when you know sukuna need mahoraga to beat him
As Stan Lee once said "the writer decides the winner".
At the end of the day you have Sukuna fans happy, Gojo fans angry, and it's all because of a fiction series lol. Gojo fans, this was a very poorly written fight ending, get over it, it's just a manga not real life lol
the explanation for why sukuna was "holding back" makes so much sense. The analogy for Gojo's infinity and how sukuna managed to overcome it is such a good concept. Obviously the execution was kinda wack, but we can overlook it. JJK on top
Ahh yes after y’all daddy Gojo died y’all are finally hoping on the bandwagon that Sukuna not going full power🤣
its like kashimo, the strongest always wanna do it the hard way. kashimo wanted to kill hikari while he was immortal, Sakuna wanted to kill Gojo while infinity was active
@@isaiascaines3299yall just accept anything is why
@@rohanking12able No standards, only mob brein.
@@isaiascaines3299 he wasnt holding back in power he was just limited in his techniques due to the restriction of limitless being active, most people reading knew this obviously so what are u talkin abt
Since day one Sukuna saw Gojo was too powerful...once he learned of Megumi's ten shadows he knew what the plan was and that helped him have the edge
I like how real Six is here, bro unashamedly admitting he actually raged at gojo's loss and that he would've said gojo losing ruined the series.
Ur probably the only jjk youtuber i can follow cause u really do a great job of trying to look deeper into the fight other than just what is blatantly stated and it makes sense. Im definitely more of a gojo fan than sukuna and im not gonna argue over who is stronger because i think pre-existence cut sukuna it could be argued for both sides but for some reason people think that the statement of holding back is to mean sukuna could have killed gojo at any time and he was only using like 30% of his strength. I agree that he was just not able to use all of his arsenal because of infinity whether it would have affected gojo or not is unknown but to just say sukuna has all these things that could possibly negate gojos infinity or one shot him he just didnt want to use them cause he was playing around is pretty dumb to me. RIP gojo who knows what more crazy twists gege has for us but thanks for the great videos. (p.s i already know people are gonna somehow find a way to want to argue i just wanted to say this out loud no need to waste your time.)
I think leaving the final blow to our imagination and giving us an emotional scene into the headspace of a character we will likely never see again was a brilliant move by gege
The minute you realize that domain clash aside this wasn’t a Gojo vs Sukuna fight, it was Gojo vs “Fully Realized” Megumi.
Had a blast with the fight but damn Gojo is half the man he used to be coming out of this fight(sorry had to do it).
Even though it’s not completely relevant I love how Kashimo didn’t even let Gojo’s body hit the ground before he arrived on the scene. Gotta love his “I got next” energy.
He really saw the strongest sorcerer in the modern era get murked and said “Don’t disappoint me”😂.
The fight was great, even the conclusion. I was just irked by gege gaslighting the audience by making gojo say he wouldnt beat no 10s sukuna, even though the literal wincon for sukuna was only achievable through mahoraga. Hell even if that weren't the case, maho saved sukuna from death twice that fight and you wanna gaslight me into saying he wasn't needed? Nahhh, stop the disrespect gege
5:55 From what was stated about the spark concept, it only indicates that the person is activating a cursed technique. It doesnt tell what the technique exactly is.
For example, from the spark in Gojo's eyes it was obvious he was activating his technique, but Sukuna had to predict that it was reversal red based on its output.
From the spark, it is possible that Gojo thought of it as a regular cleave which could be stopped by his infinity, when it wasnt. It seems like this is what most likely happened.
Otherwise, I cannot picture Gojo being caught of guard like that.
I dont really mind gojo losing but i just dont like how he lose and start downplaying his performance
I was waiting for this one
I think the fact that we don't see the attack that ended Gojo is just Gege being consistent. Gojo died the exact same way Jogo did. He was in the afterlife before he even knew what hit him. There might be meaning in that, which we don't know yet.
For people he respects he gives them a cool final cutscene
W video Six, i agree, i've also calmed down a bit and i can say that this chapter grew on me somewhat and now i can say that it did not ruin Gojo's character, but it still could have been done so much better, so that these complaints would not have been happening in the first place.
Long story short, your point about Gojo not having anything to regret could not have neen further from the truth. Besides leaving his students to deal with everything themselves, where realistically, becuase of how OP Sukuna has become and how devious Kenjaku has been, Gojo should not, that the stakes are not like in Shibuya anymore. And even in Shibuya, saying that students handled everything is overstatment. They did get stronger and they did free Gojo in the end, but at the cost of many dying, getting crippled, possessed with very low chance of survival and Japan being in the ruins.
The drastic difference in both outcomes is signifite by the fact that this time - Gojo is not sealed, he was killed. So i would have liked at least a little bit of dialogue about him still beliving in his students, him being somewhat troubled by the fact, that his burden, and in many ways, his blunders (Kenjaku getting Geto's body) are gonna lead to many deaths among his students, and that is undeniable.
I myself even struggle to imagine how would Gege realistically write the story so that protags winning does not reek of 4th ninja war levels of asspuls and Madara problems, but we shall see.
Speaking of Gojo's blunder. He did not bury his best friend's body. And he did not even mention that in the face of the man in the afterlife, like wtf?!
Kenny possessing Geto not only is Gojo's biggest mistake, but it also can not be excused as something that he did while being pressured by the idea of "The Strongest", that he can now relinquish since was killed.
Geto's friendship was always something, which bridged this gap, between him and other people. And to his last day, even after they fell apart, even after Geto's death, Gojo has always viewd him as his one and only, best friend.
His duty to Geto was not the duty of the strongest, but a duty of a best friend. And thusly, him letting his students to take care of it, without him even acknowledging this, is buffling to me. Despite what Yuta said, this is something Gojo should have regretted or at the very least, acknowledged.
Now, i still will critisize Nanami and Haibara lines, because of how vague Gege made them. They live too much of Big room for inrerpretation, and that much is obvious. Gege eitther struggled to convey the message properly, and thusly unintentionally left many fans think that he decided to 180 with Gojo's character, or he truly wanted to retcon him.
Even with a lot of youtubers saying, how Nanami and Haibara are bouth unreliable narrators and should not be trusted 100%, do you really think the only reason from Gege's point of view, thay were both incorrect and simply misunderstood Gojo? The problem is poor dialogue in this chapter. Just how i mentioned before, one of the flaws of this chapter. It leaves with too drastic difference of possible interpretation, and thusly, i don't believe intended message was conveyd properly.
This chapter had a lot of beautiful ideas, but the execution lacked in terms of showing the last attack, the dialogue writing left much to be desired and with that i simply can not say, thag chapter was great, or even good.
It was okay. And that opinion of mine won't change.
I was waiting for this video. I just don’t understand how anyone can defend this as a direction for the story or Gojo’s character.
If anyone defeats Sukuna now it will feel contrived and on top of it the remaining cast has to deal with Kenjaku as well. I could see a world where jumping Kenjaku with multiple special grades would work, but not against Sukuna especially now that Gojo is out. Man has the largest domain we’ve seen so facing multiple enemies means nothing, and now he has an unblockable slash that even the Six Eyes could not anticipate or dodge.
This is flat out bad imo. The better result would’ve been a Gojo win but was unable to continue fighting with the constant burn out and healing of his CT and Domain. It would’ve meant that the healing Gojo did during their fight wasn’t without risk, Gojo was no longer a problem for the stakes of the story (power wise), and the rest of the cast could shine against Kenjaku.
I think a draw where Gojo and Sukuna both died would've also been good.
@@kabutoyakushi9739 that would’ve been fine as well. I’m just biased and would’ve enjoyed seeing the character development of Gojo as the strongest to being helpless and becoming the full time teacher. He was always blessed since birth so it would’ve been interesting to see the introspection.
@@MatthewGalonbro the only thing sukuna has going for him is how he views everyone and everything as below him because of his strength,if he loses he is just some generic villain ,he needs to be the strongest till when he is finally defeated by the MCs
@@kabutoyakushi9739 i wouldve rather preferred gojo dying nd sukuna living but very weak(because if sukuna dies only kenkaju nd uraume remain nd gojo+yuji+yuta+hakari+ every one else is an overkill) but making the result of who is stronger between gojo nd sukuna unclear(cuz well sukuna did use 10s to beat) unlike wht we got where gege tried his best to make gojo look pathetic.
@@blank003 he was the king of curses from chapter one. The only thing this does is make his defeat contrived against the arsenal of the rest of the living cast.
Imagine seeing jiraya killing those 3 paths of pain and the chapter ending, and then the start of the next chapter we see him stabbed and at the bottom of the ocean.
For me it was impactful, and I really liked that. Let me explain, you remember when Toji killed Amanai with a headshot? we can see the head shot from our point of view but for Amanai was like Pum death. Now we have Gojo he believes that he won his last resort which even made Sukuna a little nervous has worked and Sukuna is defeated. He stands as arrogant as ever and then PUM he sees his best friend in the other world and realizes that he has been cut in an instant like a head shot. For me this was a really cool and impactfull moment. And analising the fight I think there was not a single moment that Gojo has the upper hand. It feels all the time like Sukuna had a really elaborated plan from the start so he didn't need to use his full power. While Gojo as Arrogant as he is just went to the fight with the wrong idea that his strength was the only thing that he needed. When I say that Gojo didn't have the upper hand, I didn't mean to say that he did not throw some good hits and moves. But it feels like he was always playing Sukunas game and was always against the ropes, escaping by being the strongest there is. Both are powerful and arrogant characters but in this fight, you can see the clear difference. Sukuna was arrogant because he gained his strength during his life (in the last chapter you could understand that he said "I was an unwanted child) But Gojo was born like a god so his arrogant came from his pure strength. Im not completely happy with the result of the fight because I loved Gojo as a character. But I completely understand (I think I do) what Gege wanted to do with this fight.