I love how the actual song being played isn't actually horrible, I was expecting it to be a bunch of random keys being played that sounded like 5 year old smashing the key board
I feel like people have already commented about this, but I'd like to say it anyways. In the Tom and Jerry short "The Cat Concerto", Tom plays the exact same piece that Bugs does here: Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt. However the animators for Tom and Jerry went through the painstaking detail to make sure that Tom's finger movements correspond to the actual notes one would hit for the piece. They eventually won an Academy Award for their attention to detail.
I always preferred T&J over BB, and knowing that they animated the right keys is just too satisfying know they got the Oscar despite all the controversy over the plagiarism
@@patrickstewart3446 HB didn't rotoscoped or used film frames like other comment said before, they take their own time and fully animate It because It doesn't have that "rotoscope awkwardness" (credits to other comments). Edited: Credits is actually belong to an user named "Blockoumi"
This is a brilliant piece of animation. From the days when every cell was hand drawn. The sheer timing is perfect and there was no keyframe computer timeline, just outright genius.
Always annoying. As others have already pointed out though, both "Forest of Piano" and "Your Lie in April" have beautiful animations of playing the right notes.
As a pianist and Animator, its okay if the animation isn't accurate, especially in cartoons. We just want to get the idea across and make it entertaining. But it is nice and some what comedic when animations get it right.
I like some authenticity when it comes to animating stuff like this. EDIT: ESPECIALLY if it's something you're passionate about. Heck, in Metalocalypse (one of my favorite shows), most of the time they would accurately animate the fret finger placement and the strumming using recorded footage from one of the show's creators, Brendon Small, who makes Dethklok's music. (He's a sick guitarist.)
It's an effing cartoon! It's supposed to make you laugh! It's not a didactic for Hannon Virtuoso Pianist! What the actual eff is the matter with all of you?
He got some of it right, but if animators weren’t showing how instruments actually work since the 1940’s, then we haven’t improved that much since 1936.
obviously the animators know how they work, still dude that cartoon was obviously done just for entertainment, not really as an artistical piece of animation
@@2idiot2animate28 exactly. these knobheads think that cartoons have to be the same as reality. Just look at that. Is there any rabit that plays piano? Obviously no. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the words cartoon says arent synchronise with their lips. But who is there to complain it? Obviously no one because no one is an idiot. The same case happens here. Just if because youre a pianist doesnt mean to get out of way to complain things. Saying humanity arent improved that much. dude, whatre you holding in your hand right now? Is that a 30 Kg phone that was made in 1930? Absolutely no mate. Thats the prove human is improving.
@@AtanoKSi that does make sense in the 1930’s - 1990’s. Luckily we have Adobe apps. Still, they were still very productive rather than using modern technology.
Considering everything, this is a whole lot more accurate than what it's being given credit for. What he act plays, it honestly sounds a bit like the real song (even if the notes are a few octaves off, it still has the same basic melody and structure!)
Sounded like the only thing they got wrong is the key scale is backwards with the scene. Right hand playing low, left high as opposed to most pianos, right high, left low. Everything else was similar at least
i remember there is 1 episode of tom and jerry where the animators actually took the time and animated the characters playing the right notes. and yes, it was hungarian rhapsody no. 2 again Edit: I'm sorry, but i have to say it. HOW THE HELL DID THIS COMMENT GET 87K LIKES?
Yes, you can look it up, the episode's title is "Cat Concerto", if I'm not mistaken. Also Tom's pianist gestures, posture and body movement is following the rhythm and the melody. A marvelous animation 😍❤️
The fact that it's not in modern animation where everything is easier (not saying it's easy, it is still hard...But now it's better ig??), makes it more amazing...
I get that it’s frustrating when they right keys aren’t shown but you gotta understand that animating itself is pretty hard and sometimes they show them playing a certain sets of keys to show off their expressions better
It isn't poorly animated. It's HIGHLY innacurate, but given the poinbt of the animated performance isn't about trying to reproduce the piece accurately(but about using it as a resource to enable Bugs character to express), accuracy is one of the last concerns in the matter, mostly because it would increade the work esponentially in time and complexity(not animators don't understand how needlessly hard it would make it when it's not even the point, specially for analog handdrawn animation in the 40's)
It is when compares to what its trying to imitate. The bugs piece is copying is the piano sequence from Tom and Jerry. Before you ask, yes Tom did play ever note correctly
@@mikecheck5937 No, he didn't. A lot of the notes midway through become incorrect. The beggining notes? Sure. But past around 10 seconds notes also become innacurate on Tom's side. Let alone, there's no evidence that Tom was the original short. It seems plausible given the history of both shorts but even the unofficial version claims The Cat Concerto was an answer to Rhapsody Rabbit. And that's not even adressing the point I made here. I know more about animation than thousands of pianists do and there's a reason why this kind of thing is common and low priority in animation: it's time consuming, hard and bloats production costs (which sure, makes the Tom and Jerry short more impressive for going the distance but doesn't change that the point of the short isn't even the piano playing proper but the comedy of Bugs being annoyed by the mouse)
@@roskiart8750 you can just look at the dates. Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation. Old animation were poor there is nothing to changed that. But you can still say one was better or worsely animated. Lastly a animator doesn't need to go out of their way to animate something, but it does mean that your quality does go up in others eyes (since quality is mostly subjective).
@@mikecheck5937 "you can just look at the dates." Yes, I can. Rhapsody Rabbit came out first(November 9, 1946. The Cat Concerto? April 26, 1947. You know, over 5 months of difference). "Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation." Which I never denied was positively impressive, but to assume that should be the standard is patently absurd. I can't stop pianists for feeling miffed every time an animation goes the easy route, but I can say without guilt they're coming form a place of ignorance when they ask incredibly stupid questions like "is it really that hard?". Yes, yes it is even today, which is why it's so rare to see it done right! And like I said, PRODUCTION TIME AND BUDGET. Animation is a craft. Work. Paid. It requires time and money to be made and it's not always available for things that in the end are often minutiae. I repeat, yes, that makes all the more admirable that Tom and Jerry(partially) went the distance, but to look down on Rhapsody Rabbit based on this criteria is patently ridiculous.
@@roskiart8750 I also said that quality is subjective. Meaning that author can view it by any means from a negative view. As long as the have something to justify that view in this case they do. What you find to be a petty factor is different than author
In defense of the animator (as I'm an artist) I need to say it's very hard to animate the correct key even with a big reference, they did very well at least getting the right timing xD
Very true lmao, people really dont see the struggle in animating (especially in those days where each frame was hand drawn). People take such small detail too seriously
Tom and Jerry won an Oscar for an animation exactly like this. Only it was Tom and they animated him playing the right notes. Got world wide recognition for it. No one said it’s easy but it’s 100% worth doing.
To be fair to the animator, they were likely overworked, underpaid, and on a VERY tight deadline. Also, studios back then believed that re-using animation cycles saved time and money since the animator could supposedly trace over it with new character, though in practice it was often even more laborious and time consuming (not least of all because the animations records rooms were so poorly organized). That's why you see the "Snow White dancing with dwarves" and "dancing in a circle with linked hands" animation loops on **so** many Disney cartoons from back in the day. They probably didn't bother trying to make it very accurate since it would need to be generic enough to re-use.
Exactly lol, i dont see why people complain bout such small details. Besides not like everyones a pianist. The majority of the watchers prolly dont even realize theres a mistake. Animatings hard and people should realize that. Edit: Underrated comment btw
@@EternalShadow1667 You're welcome! There are some fascinating interviews with OG Disney animators who said they sometimes spent DAYS searching the animation records room for a specific animation loop because their bosses demanded they reuse them whenever possible. The animators hated it because they could have just come up with something entirely new and moved on in less time than it took to FIND it let alone adapt it. I love rewatching the old cartoons, now, because I have so much respect for how much work it took to make that kind of magic.
A couple things: -it doesn't sound bad -an actor doesn't need to capture the technique but rather the feel of the moment and as far as that goes, the animation did a wonderful job -the budget wasn't high on these shorts
im fuming at the fact that a overworked, underpaid animator who probably never touched that instrument in his life wasnt able to animate it correctly 😡😡😡
Honestly, It makes sense. Studios don’t always have time time/budget to make a musically accurate representation of a piece. And I don’t know why you would go through that painstaking process for the small duration of the clip for a show that isn’t anything music related. If the idea comes across, then the animation succeeds. Now, that being said, the piece being played would not have been much difficult if at all to animate with accurate notes. I’m a bit confused on this one.
Exactly. I don't understand these people getting frustrated over cartoons of all things messing up notes on an instrument. And ofc it's all from channels who play specified instrument so they can just use that to their advantage to get more validation on a pointless complaint lmao.
Omg it's so annoying though because I'm a pianist and I know music, but Bugs Bunny is playing the piece WRONG. Maybe it's because I'm a pianist but I find it so annoying. Did I mention I'm a musician and I play the piano?? In fact I can play this piece and it just annoys me to see an animated animal playing it wrong!!!
You have to at such a slow part of the music though. Otherwise, you end up with the musical equivalent of those bad dubs where a character says one syllable loudly & slowly but their mouth moves multiple times.
"Poorly animated" is not a good way to look at this objectively. Even still, as an artist of different mediums, I see that the cartoon did a good enough job to be entertaining for the intended audience. It comes to my understanding that animation, especially cartoons, is exaggeration.
I understand the frustration an instrument player feels, but if I were a full time animator, I wouldn't want to take the time to make sure everything was lined up perfectly. It's already a lot of work...
Idk why a person who is gud at instruments get frustrated as such a trivial detail , I have been playing guitar for 6 yrs and I don’t really give a shit if some cartoon plays some thing wrong
@@mariakhan7986 "With that attitude" the animators don't get to decide details like that. Also you're just proving how much work it is to add those kinds of details, not everyone wants to go through that.
@@mariakhan7986 how to tell me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium without telling me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium
It was close enough. Remember that at that time, no-one expected it would be anything but on at the movies a few times. No-one would ever own a copy apart from the studios. We were never going to have 24 hour access to it and be able to replay it at our leisure., let alone slow it down and tear it to pieces. that was never the intent. All things considered it is not bad.
why am I the only one that didn't understand anything? this comment has a whopping and shocking amount of 366 likes! I literally thought that a 2year old wrote it
To red tooth blue tooth: I can happily translate for you. The original comment is basically saying that these cartoons were made at a time before the public was able to have free access to rewatch and put any little mistake made onto a microscope for imperfections or flaws, which is true if you think about it. Movies were made on reels and nobody really had access to replay them except for movie theaters at the time
“Poorly animated” is an obscene, disrespectful and stupid assertion. These are the best animations ever created. Hand painted frame by frame. Poorly animated started when single static images remained on screen for 10 seconds or more, and only the mouths moved, but not with precision. Just 4 or five basic positions that are sequenced to approximate 5% of what and actual pronunciation might look like. Often it’s reuse of a previously used sequences which doesn’t even get close to what the pronounced line would look like. That is poorly animated.
@@Ed_Mann And there's those VERY cheaply animated cartoons where they slide the animation cells around and use real life lips to "lip sync". For a parody example, check out Mr. Incredible and pals (preferably with commentary).
@@peculiar297 Nah. The friska is still accurate coz i always watch Hungarian rhapsody no. 2 from Rousseau and piano concerts of michael andreas which is the great great grandson of Franz Liszt
"Poorly animated" isn't the right set of words at all. I'm hoping most people know this, but they had a week to make shorts (yes, multiple,not just one per week), and these were all drawn by hand. So, it's not that Warner Bros. poorly animated it, it's the fact that they had a lack of time to do everything perfectly, something that people now-a-days don't think about because c.g.i./a.i. can solve those problems, and that's what they grew up with.
That’s not true, these productions took 6 months to complete. After the script was written, the first week was actors meeting in a room to block out movements in the general scenes, which as filmed. Then, those films were edited to designate the composition of a world class orchestral score. Once that was written and recorded, the voices and sound effects tracks were created. After that, hundreds of artists went to work hand-painting each frame of the animation. And that’s just a very basic overview. There are video documents which show each part of this process along with interviews with the actors. Mel Blanc, Carl Stallings and support production team.
this production took nearly a year to release, which resulted in a lawsuit when cat cacophony also came out, doing the same song except with Tom and Jerry. these aren't just animated ( and this was beautifully animated in traditional style, "accurate " or not; it's amazing animation. That's impressive bc it's not done by cgi or automatic software. they hand draw each and every frame. few *weeks*? lol this is nothing short of a masterpiece if it took a few weeks. you crazy kids
in fact its fun to see how probably some people that enjoyed the bugs bunny's short instead of the tom and jerry short started to hate it just because of the inaccuracy of the piano notes, those mtf's would wish to animate atleast as good as a hanna barbera cartoon XD
They may know how to play a piano, but they definitely don’t know how hard animation is and how time-consuming and unnecessary it would be to make sure the character hits the right notes 💀
@ren yeah its way more difficult than animating them moving normally. Drawing the piano's already kind of a pain. And then does one honestly expect the animators to be like... I dunno, learn able to do everything? from piano to violin to guitar to singing to any other skill/activity just to animate one short scene
My thesis film had an instrument that was 100% made up (strings over the main character’s chest) and I made sure to assign notes to each one and have it be animated correctly.
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It juat annoys me when people have to point it put when insert instrument animations are not 100% accurately Do you actually know how long animation takes a little goof up doesnt mean its "poorly animated"
as someone who has (albeit limited) animation knowledge, it would be impossible to be a production team focusing on animating one specific song while there is an entire other movie/show to animate. that would be not only pretty hard, but also expensive for the production. edit: i am literally so pleased i started an argument in the comments
@@samueltreminivalle3494 not impossible yeah. But that's also because your lie in april is focused on a pianist. The animators were probably given actual clips to study.
I suppose that would depend on the budget of the animation studio in question. There is no doubt that Warner Bros has that kind of budget at their disposal. But other animation studios may not have that budget so they cut corners. With that being said they definitely could have animated Bugs Bunny's fingering correctly but chose not to
The animators wanted to give it its own bouncy flair. The target audience won’t understand it’s accuracy and it won’t matter to them. It isn’t animated correctly, but that’s ok because it is creatively used
I noticed the same thing when Stewie is trying to write a song for Suzie Swanson on guitar. He's just practicing campfire chords, but the chord shapes are all accurate. Always impressed when I see an accurate portrayal of people playing instruments.
I'd give anything to go back to this "poor animation" averaging 35000 unique frames for a 7-8 minute theatre short vs 1000-1500 for a 20 minute cartoon.
Hate to be 'THAT' person buuut... Going by what you have said, you (And the 277 people that liked it) Have no idea how frames work. Because 1500 fromes over a 20min cartoon would mean a whopping.......1.25 FRAMES per SECOND. (FPS = Frames per second) Basically a comic book. As where your original example, 35000 frames in 8 min, would equate to 72.916 Frames per second. not only is your example massivly off scale, it's 100% the other way around, more frames per second are drawn (animated) today than they were 100 years ago, in a fraction of the time. I will however conceed, that many cartoons and shows story eliments have really gone downhill though.
@@Whitewolf1984p Hate to be that person BUT..... I never said modern cartoons have "1500 frames of animation" I said "1500 frames of unique animation" modern cartoons reuse a lot of animation, and have a lot of stills that drag on. Sometimes they don't even animate the character, or they use frame inbetweening to fill things in. They didn't have shortcuts to use back then. If they wanted bugs bunny to do something, they had to painstakingly animate by hand. Here's an example from an anime I like: Dragon Ball Z has tons of scenes where they cut back and forth between characters. During those scenes you usually don't see the character animated at all, just the mouth, so they can just reuse the face animation they made for the series.
It’s a freaking CARTOON! Kids watching that don’t give a rip if he’s actually playing it correctly!! At least they are getting introduced to other types of music!! That’s what’s important‼️‼️‼️
I think the most important perspective to have is how that single scene fits in the context of the whole episode. The lack of accuracy can be frustrating, but we must consider if the scene is in line with what feeling the animator wanted the audience to feel. Nothing wrong in nitpicking, but we must not forget to consider the rest.
I play piano. I didn't watch the whole episode, just this RUclips video. I felt like the animators did a pretty good job when you consider the difficulty of hand drawing scenes frame by frame, and also considering the (lack of) importance of visually portraying each note on the keyboard. Face it, most people don't play the piano and those of us who do, aren't using these animations to learn the piano.
Everyone: making fun of animators for not correctly animating the instruments The animator, who isn't a musician and was not provided with adequate video reference: 😢👍
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 yes, but that was because the director made the decision to have it done correctly and provided the animators with what they needed to do so. With Bugs, don't blame the animators for not doing it properly. It's not like they could pull up a RUclips video on their phones to check back then.
@@faolan2174 dont blame them at all, its a lot of extra work to do a fully accurate animation of actual piano playing, for deminishing returns. He plays the same notes because they reuse the motions, because thats all that is needed to convey the action. It makes for a cool video where you see what hes actually playing, but animating every hand motion would be a lot more work and it would be pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, unless thats something you want to show off
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 my Asian buddy scored 100%,for you not to score the same means that you nd every single one of you westerners are slacking mofos.
you'll sometimes see more accurate piano animations in modern stuff. this is typically achieved with 3D animation, and in the case for a series that's mostly 2D, the 3D work will be cell-shaded to look as much like the 2D stuff as possible. pretty much no one doing 2D animation is getting paid enough to do that level of work. hell, i don't know if 3D animators are getting paid enough to do it. animators don't do it accurately for the same reason bugs bunny has four fingers instead of five; shit's complicated. unless you got a freak in the studio who's obsessed with getting an accurate depiction. we love seeing what those freaks create, but they're not common.
Listen I’m a musician but one thing I can’t stand is when other musicians expect people to know shit when they’ve had no training to know. I draw too and I was thinking, had I not known how to play piano, would I really want to make it more difficult on myself to try and have someone come in and point out every key in each chord and then also have to remember that the entire time as you draw it on a piece of paper?
The piano wasn't animated, it was literally part of the background which OBVIOUSLY is just a painting... cartoon's animation is different from flipbooks...
@@angrytedtalks STILL, looney tunes had a high budget and it was and is considered as high budget animation, anyways its just a cartoon done for entertainment, not something really as an artistical piece of entertainment
The fuck you mean actually putting effort into it, good on T&J for doing it, but animating piano accurately for the song is so much more time consuming and costs way more money, that painstaking effort isn’t necessary for a cartoon
Do you even understand how much more time-consuming it would be to animate something that most people would just overlook How about you try to reanimate and "put actual effort" into it
People out here defending it like it's their own craft. It's got a higher budget and has been produced a lot later aswell, which means they had access to better tools aswell. Yes, it's more time consuming and more expensive, but there's still a noticible difference in the amount of passion of the animators that is showcased by the small details. The title of the video holds true, because it IS rare for animators to actually spend the time doing so, which is a real pity because the scene becomes a lot more immersive when you can not only hear the music, but see the music being played aswell. The best rated animations are simpy those that spend the time doing exactly that: Adding the small details.
@@Minecraftgnom its not because of pasion really, obviously both units liked their job, depending which animators, but its actually for budget reason, plus the production of a tom and jerry short would usually take 1 - 2 years, while a looney tunes short would usually take 7 months - 2 years to produce around that time, plus the person that directed the short was friz freleng which at the time, his unit has one of the best budget from other directors units, apparently chuck jones had the best budget, and it is clearly obvious if you look at the mid 50's shorts comparing it to other directors short from that time
I find it very close to what it's supposed to be. Accurate enough for the average viewer who knows a little music to enjoy. It's a cartoon afterall, not a documentary
On the other hand, you have the notes on the music. It's not like flute or violin where a non-musician doesn't know how it's done. Additionally, they have an entire music department with multiple pianos in the studio, and they took the time to make it look correct from a timing and relative position. Given how long it takes and how much care they took to animate this scene (since they could have easily changed the angle to hide the hands), you would think they would at least get the notes correct on such an important part of the short.
@@Benjamin1986980 Ikr. Like when Bugs sticks his finger in the barrel of Elmer's gun and it blows up in Elmer's face... so inaccurate. They should show BB hand getting mangled. I hate inaccuracies in cartoons 🙄
To the dude who made this video, try animating 5 seconds of a character playing any keyboard notes. You won't ever feel like making a video like this ever again in your life. I have learnt the piano and my best friend is an animator. The time it takes for me to play a song of 5 minutes is only a quarter of the time it takes for him to draw a keyframe which lasts for 1/24th of a second (He is faster in drawing than anybody I know irl. My profile picture is one of his drawings.) And to the people who say that it's just time consuming and not as difficult as playing music,have you ever tried drawing like those animators? My friend and I sometimes try out each other's crafts and if I could ever have the level of understanding of 3D space as he does,that would be one of my greatest achievements.
I was wondering why some people in the comments were pissed off, this seems like a light-hearted video? Then I read the description and saw the phrase "poorly animated". Yeah, probably a good idea to remove that. That's an unnecessary remark and a bit pretentious. This is still animated very well, it's just a bit inaccurate, but really who cares? It doesn't really matter, as a lot of other people have said. Either way, good job figuring out what Bugs was "actually" playing, I thought that was fun
Right, like I don’t think a pianist is a better judge of what is or isn’t good animation than an actual animator who probably doesn’t get paid enough to care about these details anyway 😅
Who did it first, Tom or Bugs Bunny? Because I have seen two videos in one day where those two are playing the piano, and the Tom one got an Oscar award for being accurate and creative, and if this one came after and not before, than BB was animated doing the same thing to capitalize on the fame, but if it's the reverse, Tom did it one better.
@@Delsanium of course, and the ever present painted tunnels on the sides of cliffs. It always bothered me that the animators couldn't get that simple physics correct.
The funniest moment on this particular Bugs Bunny cartoon, is when a member in the audience can't stop coughing when he's about to play. So Bugs gets frustrated and shoots him with a hand gun.
Animators were overworked and underpaid. Being mad that they didn't have the effort to actually research the piece to animate it accurately is the most snobby thing that I'd come expect of the music community.
Musicians are the snobbiest people in the world and they do expect perfection. That's nothing new. That's one reason why I quit piano lessons a long time ago and have more respect for genres that lean heavily on experimental stuff.
The most amusing part of these videos are the very people who - out of all the unrealistic stuff happening in cartoons - complain about the incorrect animation of playing instruments
I mean we don’t see scientists complaining about how wild coyote shouldn’t be able to walk and stand on thin air until he looks down so I hear ya but I understand how it could get annoying when it’s something you focus on daily.
I have to ask, why would you expect the studio to spend the time and money to accurately animate per the music? What purpose would it serve and how many of the target audience would even know?
Wait so you're telling me that the talking bunny that can also walk on two legs that played basketball with Michael Jordan and LeBron James playing a piano isn't accurate?!?! No way.
This is fun...but the people who are actually irritated that a cartoon character from a million years ago doesn't appear to play a piece perfectly are like the people who used to tell me not to draw dragons, because dragons aren't real. XD
"poorly animated" As someone who is in the arts it always baffles me how artists in different fields can be so ignorant. It's okay if you know its inaccurate because of your niche, but its not that serious and you're being rather pretentious. Animation is one of the hardest creative mediums to get to any level of acumen in. And you, a person who knows nothing about the craft, calling this animation "poor" is just like people saying you're a shit pianist because you don't play fast. This is master level animation that took decades of skill honing to even be able to do, and months of work to execute by dozens of staff members.
Well said. I'm also in the animation field and I'm constantly baffled by the number of people that don't understand how much hard work and dedication it takes to be an animator.
There's a term for this and I forget it, but when you're adept at a particular thing all the inconsistencies jump out at you. What people like this don't realize is there are inconsistencies indiscernible to their eye everywhere.
As someone who plays the piano too, i'd say if this annoys you you're just a tryhard wannabe great pianist that's probably a beginner. These shows are not made specifically for pianists, we should be happy if we even just see them play the piano. They don't have to spend double the time animating them playing the right notes just so a small part of their viewers (people that play the piano) don't get butthurt by whether he goes half a note up or down
Seriously man, you have no idea how difficult animation is. You try being an expert at every detail of everything you are animating in addition to being be to draw realistic movement by with consistent feeling characters.
that would be literally random keys, gerry chiniquy did a better job at animating bugs playing the piano better than an average fame seeker tiktoker could play it
Well, you know why they didn't always do that?...production values, time, and most folks wouldn't even notice. The impression is there, and in some cases doing the actual correct notes may not be as visually expressive or expedient for the scene. Speaking as a experienced composer and a terrible animator (ha!)...That's a ton of reference work for an animator to do. The tom & jerry team deserved an award if they didn't get one.
Lol, I'd die as an animator if someone asked me to learn the piano keys AND animate the character's fingers to land on the exact piano key for every scene. As long as it's not like some serious animated show that centers on pianos or music, I'd definitely just animate it to _look_ as if the character's playing the right notes.
Guys doing extremely vintage and hard style of animation that took hours and hours to do 5 seconds worth of footage. But some dude is mad they didnt make the piano musically correct. You should be impressed on how they made beautiful art come alive in a time where it wasnt easy to do so.
attention all animators: when you animate your cartoon rabbit in a suit playing piano you MUST have him playing the correct notes. don't forget about those deadlines, though, we gotta make the warner brothers as much money as possible!
Others : Noooo this is so inaccurate!! I literally can't!!! OMG that's so offensive and annoying and frustrating!!! Tom and Jerry did it better!!!😡😡🤬😡🤬😡😭😭😭😡😡😱😱😡🤬🤬😡 IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO ANIMATE IT PROPERLY BECAUSE IT!!! Me : woaa funny bunny so talented
This here. Animation was / is a way to make fictional things lively and animated. It isn’t supposed to be super realistic or exactly like real life-it’s kind of an escape from reality or way to just simply; as I said bring characters and fictional places to life, give them movement, etc. This might sound a little on the stupid side to some people, but, animation isn’t supposed to be super realistic, even if it does have a realistic look to it: it’s still for fiction and entertainment purposes(or some other purposes but not to look like reality)
Yes, and how about the animators' perspective..? Imagine going through so much work of drawing, making sure the movement doesn't look too odd, making the animation smooth, and still seem entertaining. And then a bunch of people nag you about inaccuracy when you had little to no knowledge of playing the piano.
I love these kind of comparisons cuz it shows that the animators have just enough knowledge about pianos to make it sound like absolute randomness (unless of course, it's meant to be). Or if you're Tom and Jerry, have the absolute maximum knowledge of it and animate it almost damn near perfectly.
NO matter what he's playing, I wound up with an appreciation for classical music from watching old Loony Toons. This one, the Barber of Seville, etc. all put to animation cleverly by these guys. Thanks!!
I'm sure this has been mentioned but can we just acknowledge that -- regardless of the accuracy -- how amazing it is that a FREAKING RABBIT knows how to play piano?! Ugh. I really think we're missing the big picture here, guys...Next video from Yenchy: "no way that Tom and Jerry could do all of those things WITHOUT OPPOSABLE THUMBS..."
Let's still give the designer credit for the rabbit's hands being so coordinated, in rhythm with the music. I don't like it in E minor just as much as everyone else. C# Minor all the way 💖
"LiTeRaLLy this is very fTuStRaTiNg to see how PoOrLy aNiMaTeD this is… SaAaAd" This is the same episode in which Bugs picked up every single piano key and dropped it back down to make music, and even used the damn thing as a typewriter. And yet here you are getting triggered over something as silly as a cartoon. The words "Accuracy" and "Looney Tunes" Should NEVER go together.
I’m fairly certain that it has been proven that this clip was animated correctly by people with perfect pitch. You played it with all notes between the fingers. But the animation clearly shows that he hits the notes correctly. If you pause it at the right timing, you can see the notes that are played (which are correct for this specific piece)
Are you thinking of the Tom and Jerry version of the same piece? I recently saw a video saying that one was animated with the correct notes being hit and, when I first saw this video, I did think "Well, that's strange, because I saw somebody come to the exact opposite conclusion just the other day" until I realised that was Tom and this is Bugs Bunny.
@@beeble2003 I think it was this video. But even if it weren’t, you can still see that he is playing the notes correctly, if you pause the video at the right moment. The creator of this video played every note between the fingers, whereas buggs has his fingers in the correct position.
@@meercat3457 OK. I'm not a pianist, so I can't see whether it's correct or not, as long as moving to the right gives higher-pitched notes. Just wanted to check that you weren't confusing two similar cartoons in exactly the same way that I had.
I think it is NOT correct, I don't have a perfect pitch, but it is easy to compare the animation with a online piano. The first note you can hear is cis, but he presses a "f", then at 2th second you can hear: cis,h,cis,h but he plays: e,f,e,f. At the 5th second you can hear: cis, e, d,cis but he plays: e,g,e,f,e I used a german website for the online piano, maybe the notes are named a bit different and as I dont have a perfect pitch and my last music lesson was a long time ago I can be wrong, it is just my impression.
As a musician I couldn’t care less, I don’t give a fk what they mimic, I’m a guitar player, do you really want people to animate note per note on a guitar? What a nightmare that’s completely useless for an animator. Getting close is all you need, NOBODY who doesn’t play the specific instrument will ever see it’s wrong as long as the hands are close to where they’re supposed to be, so why bother with completely useless animations that just doubles, triple or quadruples the work time of the animator hence the budget? You guys are ridiculous
Hey guys! Really special video coming out this Saturday! What do you think it will be?
I have no idea
You're doing a free concert?
Giveaway?
@@sarcastic_bee2410 lol
Rush E
I love how the actual song being played isn't actually horrible, I was expecting it to be a bunch of random keys being played that sounded like 5 year old smashing the key board
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SAME
If your only using white keys your more than likely going to make something that sounds okay
@@nickhaas9185 oh
@@nickhaas9185 actually if u use black keys there'll be something even more ok😂
I feel like people have already commented about this, but I'd like to say it anyways.
In the Tom and Jerry short "The Cat Concerto", Tom plays the exact same piece that Bugs does here: Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt. However the animators for Tom and Jerry went through the painstaking detail to make sure that Tom's finger movements correspond to the actual notes one would hit for the piece.
They eventually won an Academy Award for their attention to detail.
That's actually quite a chad move.
EDIT: I was 200th like LMAO
@@CrafterDaemon Congrats
I always preferred T&J over BB, and knowing that they animated the right keys is just too satisfying know they got the Oscar despite all the controversy over the plagiarism
Tom and Jerry did it first anyway. Luney Toons copied it
@@trashboat2687 Looney tunes didn't actually copy that piece was really popular among animations search for a short called rhapsody rivets
Hilarious how Tom got it right, while Bugs couldn’t.
Probably because HB either rotoscoped or used film frames as art references and WB didn’t.
Nice comment, I was totally impressed with that animation of tom doing piano.
its not that bad of a result
Tom is more skilled
@@patrickstewart3446 HB didn't rotoscoped or used film frames like other comment said before, they take their own time and fully animate It because It doesn't have that "rotoscope awkwardness" (credits to other comments).
Edited: Credits is actually belong to an user named "Blockoumi"
This is a brilliant piece of animation. From the days when every cell was hand drawn. The sheer timing is perfect and there was no keyframe computer timeline, just outright genius.
You have to give mad props to the actual shows out there that took the time to animate the right notes in piano scenes.
Some guy without a mustache
Agreed. Second
Maybe respond?
Shows: Your lie in April, Piano no mori
You have to shut up
Always annoying. As others have already pointed out though, both "Forest of Piano" and "Your Lie in April" have beautiful animations of playing the right notes.
Underrated comment, but you really aren't wrong. I learned the beginning of 'Minute Waltz by Chopin' from 'Forest of Piano'
I love Forest of Piano!
Not to mention, Kids on the Slope
Pixar's Soul too
Yes i watched your lie in april it was amazing
0:25 this is like the closest sounding part...
I do love accurate animations, but imagine doing it for the entire piece
Check out kids on the slope
it has great animations
Doesn't Tom & Jerry's version have most of the notes right
Cat concerto, the Tom and Jerry version was incredibly accurate with the same piece
Um your lie in april has left the chat
The animators really should’ve made sure their talking bunny, in a tuxedo, was hitting the correct keys
They managed it in Tom and Jerry
As a pianist and Animator, its okay if the animation isn't accurate, especially in cartoons. We just want to get the idea across and make it entertaining. But it is nice and some what comedic when animations get it right.
A pianist and an animator? Please make me your disciple! Plzzzz
@@lynxarcade2020 kinda mood
I swear this man's gonna come out as an neurosurgeon next kudos to you for being both a pianist AND an animator
So he has no reason to fail.
I like some authenticity when it comes to animating stuff like this. EDIT: ESPECIALLY if it's something you're passionate about.
Heck, in Metalocalypse (one of my favorite shows), most of the time they would accurately animate the fret finger placement and the strumming using recorded footage from one of the show's creators, Brendon Small, who makes Dethklok's music. (He's a sick guitarist.)
I was expecting a lot worse, I'm sure it's cringey for professionals, but for most people it seems pretty good actually.
yeah a producer could probably sample the hell out of that
Yes I thinking the same....it does sound similar
What the
Its terrible
It's an effing cartoon! It's supposed to make you laugh! It's not a didactic for Hannon Virtuoso Pianist! What the actual eff is the matter with all of you?
He got some of it right, but if animators weren’t showing how instruments actually work since the 1940’s, then we haven’t improved that much since 1936.
obviously the animators know how they work, still dude that cartoon was obviously done just for entertainment, not really as an artistical piece of animation
@@2idiot2animate28 exactly. these knobheads think that cartoons have to be the same as reality. Just look at that. Is there any rabit that plays piano? Obviously no. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the words cartoon says arent synchronise with their lips. But who is there to complain it? Obviously no one because no one is an idiot. The same case happens here. Just if because youre a pianist doesnt mean to get out of way to complain things. Saying humanity arent improved that much. dude, whatre you holding in your hand right now? Is that a 30 Kg phone that was made in 1930? Absolutely no mate. Thats the prove human is improving.
It's not that they don't know how they work, they have to do tons of frames very fast
@@AtanoKSi that does make sense in the 1930’s - 1990’s. Luckily we have Adobe apps. Still, they were still very productive rather than using modern technology.
When was this made?
ruclips.net/video/ltqx-jo6aWE/видео.html
Considering everything, this is a whole lot more accurate than what it's being given credit for. What he act plays, it honestly sounds a bit like the real song (even if the notes are a few octaves off, it still has the same basic melody and structure!)
To be honest while it's not accurate, what he really played doesn't sound bad.
true that, my friend
Almost Debussy-esque
Agreed
They did miss animating any key hits on minor keys. It's not bad for major keys only.
Sounded like the only thing they got wrong is the key scale is backwards with the scene. Right hand playing low, left high as opposed to most pianos, right high, left low. Everything else was similar at least
i remember there is 1 episode of tom and jerry where the animators actually took the time and animated the characters playing the right notes. and yes, it was hungarian rhapsody no. 2 again
Edit: I'm sorry, but i have to say it. HOW THE HELL DID THIS COMMENT GET 87K LIKES?
Wow
Animation is already very difficult. Personally I don't mind the animators not getting it right it's a cartoon not a doc.
Yes, you can look it up, the episode's title is "Cat Concerto", if I'm not mistaken.
Also Tom's pianist gestures, posture and body movement is following the rhythm and the melody. A marvelous animation 😍❤️
The fact that it's not in modern animation where everything is easier (not saying it's easy, it is still hard...But now it's better ig??), makes it more amazing...
@@vleaky3430 not really difficult
I get that it’s frustrating when they right keys aren’t shown but you gotta understand that animating itself is pretty hard and sometimes they show them playing a certain sets of keys to show off their expressions better
Especially over a hundred years ago they had to draw every frame by hand
also most animation was and still is drawn with the characters having only 4 fingers! it's a world of mostly fantasy people don't get too serious
exactly^
@@NovaBoi7 uhh today animators still have to do that lol. Yes i know that there are tools to assist them but still.
@@dacrazyhippo well yea but now there’s rigs n stuff on flash
It isn't poorly animated. It's HIGHLY innacurate, but given the poinbt of the animated performance isn't about trying to reproduce the piece accurately(but about using it as a resource to enable Bugs character to express), accuracy is one of the last concerns in the matter, mostly because it would increade the work esponentially in time and complexity(not animators don't understand how needlessly hard it would make it when it's not even the point, specially for analog handdrawn animation in the 40's)
It is when compares to what its trying to imitate. The bugs piece is copying is the piano sequence from Tom and Jerry. Before you ask, yes Tom did play ever note correctly
@@mikecheck5937 No, he didn't. A lot of the notes midway through become incorrect. The beggining notes? Sure. But past around 10 seconds notes also become innacurate on Tom's side. Let alone, there's no evidence that Tom was the original short. It seems plausible given the history of both shorts but even the unofficial version claims The Cat Concerto was an answer to Rhapsody Rabbit.
And that's not even adressing the point I made here. I know more about animation than thousands of pianists do and there's a reason why this kind of thing is common and low priority in animation: it's time consuming, hard and bloats production costs (which sure, makes the Tom and Jerry short more impressive for going the distance but doesn't change that the point of the short isn't even the piano playing proper but the comedy of Bugs being annoyed by the mouse)
@@roskiart8750 you can just look at the dates. Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation. Old animation were poor there is nothing to changed that. But you can still say one was better or worsely animated. Lastly a animator doesn't need to go out of their way to animate something, but it does mean that your quality does go up in others eyes (since quality is mostly subjective).
@@mikecheck5937 "you can just look at the dates." Yes, I can. Rhapsody Rabbit came out first(November 9, 1946. The Cat Concerto? April 26, 1947. You know, over 5 months of difference).
"Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation."
Which I never denied was positively impressive, but to assume that should be the standard is patently absurd. I can't stop pianists for feeling miffed every time an animation goes the easy route, but I can say without guilt they're coming form a place of ignorance when they ask incredibly stupid questions like "is it really that hard?". Yes, yes it is even today, which is why it's so rare to see it done right!
And like I said, PRODUCTION TIME AND BUDGET. Animation is a craft. Work. Paid. It requires time and money to be made and it's not always available for things that in the end are often minutiae. I repeat, yes, that makes all the more admirable that Tom and Jerry(partially) went the distance, but to look down on Rhapsody Rabbit based on this criteria is patently ridiculous.
@@roskiart8750 I also said that quality is subjective. Meaning that author can view it by any means from a negative view. As long as the have something to justify that view in this case they do. What you find to be a petty factor is different than author
In defense of the animator (as I'm an artist) I need to say it's very hard to animate the correct key even with a big reference, they did very well at least getting the right timing xD
Very true lmao, people really dont see the struggle in animating (especially in those days where each frame was hand drawn). People take such small detail too seriously
Tom and Jerry won an Oscar for an animation exactly like this. Only it was Tom and they animated him playing the right notes. Got world wide recognition for it. No one said it’s easy but it’s 100% worth doing.
Only worthy for making videos like this
plus usually you greatly exaggerate things to communicate it to the average viewer. Not for it to make sense.
Friz freleng had the best timing
To be fair to the animator, they were likely overworked, underpaid, and on a VERY tight deadline. Also, studios back then believed that re-using animation cycles saved time and money since the animator could supposedly trace over it with new character, though in practice it was often even more laborious and time consuming (not least of all because the animations records rooms were so poorly organized). That's why you see the "Snow White dancing with dwarves" and "dancing in a circle with linked hands" animation loops on **so** many Disney cartoons from back in the day. They probably didn't bother trying to make it very accurate since it would need to be generic enough to re-use.
Exactly lol, i dont see why people complain bout such small details. Besides not like everyones a pianist. The majority of the watchers prolly dont even realize theres a mistake. Animatings hard and people should realize that.
Edit: Underrated comment btw
Thanks for this! Didn’t know that, very interesting. They’re still great cartoons though
Straight up
And then you have Cat Concerto from Tom & Jerry which got Oscar awards
@@EternalShadow1667 You're welcome! There are some fascinating interviews with OG Disney animators who said they sometimes spent DAYS searching the animation records room for a specific animation loop because their bosses demanded they reuse them whenever possible. The animators hated it because they could have just come up with something entirely new and moved on in less time than it took to FIND it let alone adapt it. I love rewatching the old cartoons, now, because I have so much respect for how much work it took to make that kind of magic.
A couple things:
-it doesn't sound bad
-an actor doesn't need to capture the technique but rather the feel of the moment and as far as that goes, the animation did a wonderful job
-the budget wasn't high on these shorts
Yeah
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Agreed 💯
True. However those that take the time and effort for accuracy deserve a special place in heaven.
No need to take it too seriously
This video is clearly just poking a lil fun at that nothing serious
im fuming at the fact that a overworked, underpaid animator who probably never touched that instrument in his life wasnt able to animate it correctly 😡😡😡
Honestly, It makes sense. Studios don’t always have time time/budget to make a musically accurate representation of a piece. And I don’t know why you would go through that painstaking process for the small duration of the clip for a show that isn’t anything music related. If the idea comes across, then the animation succeeds. Now, that being said, the piece being played would not have been much difficult if at all to animate with accurate notes. I’m a bit confused on this one.
For real.
The Tom and Jerry animators did it accurately in "The Cat Concerto"
I would presume none of the animators knew how pianos work
I mean tbf, I do think the Looney Tunes would be somewhat focused on music, hence the name, but I don't know.
@@toothlesstoe How can someone not know how a piano works?
The idea of entertaining animations are not to be as realistic and accurate as possible, but just enough to make it, well… entertaining.
Exactly. I don't understand these people getting frustrated over cartoons of all things messing up notes on an instrument. And ofc it's all from channels who play specified instrument so they can just use that to their advantage to get more validation on a pointless complaint lmao.
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Omg it's so annoying though because I'm a pianist and I know music, but Bugs Bunny is playing the piece WRONG. Maybe it's because I'm a pianist but I find it so annoying. Did I mention I'm a musician and I play the piano?? In fact I can play this piece and it just annoys me to see an animated animal playing it wrong!!!
@@loejewis I know you're a pianist, but like they said, it's just for entertainment purposes
@@jcoolguy1548 wow was that a plane or the joke flying over your head?
Honestly. I think it’s impressive that they even animated each key being the pressed down. And even got the rhythm.
You have to at such a slow part of the music though. Otherwise, you end up with the musical equivalent of those bad dubs where a character says one syllable loudly & slowly but their mouth moves multiple times.
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Patronizing much?
"Poorly animated" is not a good way to look at this objectively. Even still, as an artist of different mediums, I see that the cartoon did a good enough job to be entertaining for the intended audience. It comes to my understanding that animation, especially cartoons, is exaggeration.
I understand the frustration an instrument player feels, but if I were a full time animator, I wouldn't want to take the time to make sure everything was lined up perfectly. It's already a lot of work...
And that's why the animators of Tom and Jerry have an Oscar for actually doing it accurately whereas you likely won't get one with that attitude.
@@mariakhan7986 who?
Idk why a person who is gud at instruments get frustrated as such a trivial detail , I have been playing guitar for 6 yrs and I don’t really give a shit if some cartoon plays some thing wrong
@@mariakhan7986 "With that attitude" the animators don't get to decide details like that. Also you're just proving how much work it is to add those kinds of details, not everyone wants to go through that.
@@mariakhan7986 how to tell me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium without telling me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium
It was close enough. Remember that at that time, no-one expected it would be anything but on at the movies a few times. No-one would ever own a copy apart from the studios. We were never going to have 24 hour access to it and be able to replay it at our leisure., let alone slow it down and tear it to pieces. that was never the intent. All things considered it is not bad.
As if anyone but an obsessive psycho would care about it being the right notes or not lol
@@thunderstar7116 you calling out the uploader or...? Jk jk 😂
why am I the only one that didn't understand anything? this comment has a whopping and shocking amount of 366 likes! I literally thought that a 2year old wrote it
To red tooth blue tooth: I can happily translate for you. The original comment is basically saying that these cartoons were made at a time before the public was able to have free access to rewatch and put any little mistake made onto a microscope for imperfections or flaws, which is true if you think about it. Movies were made on reels and nobody really had access to replay them except for movie theaters at the time
@@redtoothbluetooth5794 It's because your a NPC...
If you guys watch closely you can see the exact notes that he plays and that they are all inaccurate
I'm so triggered
@Anonymous Person Exactly
That's playing the piano. Not animating it
@@jamesbigfan364 oh meh gosh they didnt play the piano correctly am so triggered!!!111!!!11
@@user-C3ryb5UVr257nJlWxvwRthA even the piano and key size...
Why
Considering their animation technologies before, that would really be time consuming if they made Bugs play it on the right key.
"poorly animated" seems incredibly harsh when you look at how bart simpson rides his skateboard. this looks immaculate by comparison.
“Poorly animated” is an obscene, disrespectful and stupid assertion. These are the best animations ever created. Hand painted frame by frame. Poorly animated started when single static images remained on screen for 10 seconds or more, and only the mouths moved, but not with precision. Just 4 or five basic positions that are sequenced to approximate 5% of what and actual pronunciation might look like. Often it’s reuse of a previously used sequences which doesn’t even get close to what the pronounced line would look like. That is poorly animated.
@@Ed_Mann And there's those VERY cheaply animated cartoons where they slide the animation cells around and use real life lips to "lip sync". For a parody example, check out Mr. Incredible and pals (preferably with commentary).
@@cadethumann8605 exactly. It’s a lost art.
I grew up watching this, I can assure you none of us kids back then didn’t care if it was accurate or not.
^ This right here!!!
I rly don't care even now
I think Tom and Jerry are still more accurate (at least the *Lassan* part)
But not the friska I think
@@peculiar297 Nah. The friska is still accurate coz i always watch Hungarian rhapsody no. 2 from Rousseau and piano concerts of michael andreas which is the great great grandson of Franz Liszt
@@ougi6524 oh nice
By the way I am a real fan of Rousseau too...
@Belle ♪ bruh
Considering the fact that Cat Concerto was done during the 1940s that is already more impressive than the Looney Tunes one
Who would've guessed that animators are not musicians
Exactly lol, "Poorly Animated" isnt really the right term
"Poorly animated" isn't the right set of words at all. I'm hoping most people know this, but they had a week to make shorts (yes, multiple,not just one per week), and these were all drawn by hand. So, it's not that Warner Bros. poorly animated it, it's the fact that they had a lack of time to do everything perfectly, something that people now-a-days don't think about because c.g.i./a.i. can solve those problems, and that's what they grew up with.
This series is idiotic. Nitpicking decades old cartoons is stupid.
And of course, it's just a cartoon. The animators most likely didn't think it had to be realistic
That’s not true, these productions took 6 months to complete. After the script was written, the first week was actors meeting in a room to block out movements in the general scenes, which as filmed. Then, those films were edited to designate the composition of a world class orchestral score. Once that was written and recorded, the voices and sound effects tracks were created. After that, hundreds of artists went to work hand-painting each frame of the animation. And that’s just a very basic overview. There are video documents which show each part of this process along with interviews with the actors. Mel Blanc, Carl Stallings and support production team.
@@Ed_Mann Either way, that is still a lot of hard work, and calling it poorly animated still isn't right.
this production took nearly a year to release, which resulted in a lawsuit when cat cacophony also came out, doing the same song except with Tom and Jerry.
these aren't just animated ( and this was beautifully animated in traditional style, "accurate " or not; it's amazing animation.
That's impressive bc it's not done by cgi or automatic software.
they hand draw each and every frame.
few *weeks*? lol this is nothing short of a masterpiece if it took a few weeks.
you crazy kids
What's funny is how annoyed people are getting for inaccurate piano on a slapstick style comedy cartoon from the 1940s 🤣
💯💯💯
in fact its fun to see how probably some people that enjoyed the bugs bunny's short instead of the tom and jerry short started to hate it just because of the inaccuracy of the piano notes, those mtf's would wish to animate atleast as good as a hanna barbera cartoon XD
It's funny watching them try to play the accurate version of what it sounds like tho
They may know how to play a piano, but they definitely don’t know how hard animation is and how time-consuming and unnecessary it would be to make sure the character hits the right notes 💀
@ren yeah its way more difficult than animating them moving normally. Drawing the piano's already kind of a pain. And then does one honestly expect the animators to be like... I dunno, learn able to do everything? from piano to violin to guitar to singing to any other skill/activity just to animate one short scene
My thesis film had an instrument that was 100% made up (strings over the main character’s chest) and I made sure to assign notes to each one and have it be animated correctly.
respect o7
omg where do i watch it?
@@nickeman132 wahh i wanna know too o.O
@@nickeman132 I’m trying to figure out how to put it in a yt allowed way
Tick-Tock (I hope the typo helps)
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Last one pinned (so, first one to appear)
@@sonderwater I just replied to the comment above yours with instructions! (RUclips is kinda tricky with links and such)
It juat annoys me when people have to point it put when insert instrument animations are not 100% accurately
Do you actually know how long animation takes a little goof up doesnt mean its "poorly animated"
as someone who has (albeit limited) animation knowledge, it would be impossible to be a production team focusing on animating one specific song while there is an entire other movie/show to animate. that would be not only pretty hard, but also expensive for the production.
edit: i am literally so pleased i started an argument in the comments
Probably not impossible, since Your Lie in April seemed to handle it just fine
@@samueltreminivalle3494 not impossible yeah. But that's also because your lie in april is focused on a pianist. The animators were probably given actual clips to study.
Tom & Jerry Cat concerto- ahem
I suppose that would depend on the budget of the animation studio in question. There is no doubt that Warner Bros has that kind of budget at their disposal. But other animation studios may not have that budget so they cut corners. With that being said they definitely could have animated Bugs Bunny's fingering correctly but chose not to
@@rudrodeepchatterjee THANK YOU
The animators wanted to give it its own bouncy flair. The target audience won’t understand it’s accuracy and it won’t matter to them. It isn’t animated correctly, but that’s ok because it is creatively used
yeah, that's true.
But there are different people who just have to nitpick everything.
I just don't get it. Why would anyone expect a show with a talking rabbit to be 100% accurate when it comes to a piano solo.
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 because another show did it better
I’m a pianist and I never would have noticed this, haha.
If I remember correctly, Nodame Cantabile was very accurate. It used a lot of assistance from CGI and/or rotoscoping though.
I wouldn't be surprised. Isn't it literally about classical musicians?
Yep, it looked fairly accurate even with complicated stuff like Rachmaninov and Ravel. It is interspersed with a lot of still frames though.
Your lie in April and kids on the slope too
And piano no mori
To end the quatuor of music instruments playing animes where the animation is actually good
@@pomatomapo mate just watched that the other day. It is amazing! Was just about to comment this also. 🤩
I loved the movie, "Coco" for this reason: every note, every chord played on guitar was accurate. As a guitarist, this was extremely satisfying! 🎸
I noticed the same thing when Stewie is trying to write a song for Suzie Swanson on guitar. He's just practicing campfire chords, but the chord shapes are all accurate. Always impressed when I see an accurate portrayal of people playing instruments.
I'd give anything to go back to this "poor animation" averaging 35000 unique frames for a 7-8 minute theatre short vs 1000-1500 for a 20 minute cartoon.
Beats the F out of Captain Planet, or other modern frauds that couldn't find the vaudeville spirit with a map..
I'd be happy if they just went back to the intelligent writing.
@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U When cartoons didn't feel like cartoons while also being cartoons
Hate to be 'THAT' person buuut...
Going by what you have said, you (And the 277 people that liked it) Have no idea how frames work. Because 1500 fromes over a 20min cartoon would mean a whopping.......1.25 FRAMES per SECOND. (FPS = Frames per second)
Basically a comic book.
As where your original example, 35000 frames in 8 min, would equate to 72.916 Frames per second.
not only is your example massivly off scale, it's 100% the other way around, more frames per second are drawn (animated) today than they were 100 years ago, in a fraction of the time.
I will however conceed, that many cartoons and shows story eliments have really gone downhill though.
@@Whitewolf1984p Hate to be that person BUT.....
I never said modern cartoons have "1500 frames of animation" I said "1500 frames of unique animation" modern cartoons reuse a lot of animation, and have a lot of stills that drag on. Sometimes they don't even animate the character, or they use frame inbetweening to fill things in. They didn't have shortcuts to use back then. If they wanted bugs bunny to do something, they had to painstakingly animate by hand.
Here's an example from an anime I like: Dragon Ball Z has tons of scenes where they cut back and forth between characters. During those scenes you usually don't see the character animated at all, just the mouth, so they can just reuse the face animation they made for the series.
Everybody knows that cartoon world is different than reality. Cartoons play by their own rules.
So Bugs’s piano playing is spot on 💯% correct.
5head stuff right here.
😂
Exactly
Finally, a wise comment.
Just like a coyote can fall off a 1000 cliff and walk away like an accordion. It’s a cartoon. Kids don’t care
If you think that part was "inaccurate", imagine the part when he's walking and jumping on the keys.
It’s a freaking CARTOON! Kids watching that don’t give a rip if he’s actually playing it correctly!! At least they are getting introduced to other types of music!! That’s what’s important‼️‼️‼️
I think the most important perspective to have is how that single scene fits in the context of the whole episode. The lack of accuracy can be frustrating, but we must consider if the scene is in line with what feeling the animator wanted the audience to feel. Nothing wrong in nitpicking, but we must not forget to consider the rest.
I play piano. I didn't watch the whole episode, just this RUclips video. I felt like the animators did a pretty good job when you consider the difficulty of hand drawing scenes frame by frame, and also considering the (lack of) importance of visually portraying each note on the keyboard. Face it, most people don't play the piano and those of us who do, aren't using these animations to learn the piano.
Everyone: making fun of animators for not correctly animating the instruments
The animator, who isn't a musician and was not provided with adequate video reference: 😢👍
Yeah
Tom n Jerry did it. Bugs is lackin
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 yes, but that was because the director made the decision to have it done correctly and provided the animators with what they needed to do so. With Bugs, don't blame the animators for not doing it properly. It's not like they could pull up a RUclips video on their phones to check back then.
@@faolan2174 dont blame them at all, its a lot of extra work to do a fully accurate animation of actual piano playing, for deminishing returns. He plays the same notes because they reuse the motions, because thats all that is needed to convey the action. It makes for a cool video where you see what hes actually playing, but animating every hand motion would be a lot more work and it would be pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, unless thats something you want to show off
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 my Asian buddy scored 100%,for you not to score the same means that you nd every single one of you westerners are slacking mofos.
you'll sometimes see more accurate piano animations in modern stuff. this is typically achieved with 3D animation, and in the case for a series that's mostly 2D, the 3D work will be cell-shaded to look as much like the 2D stuff as possible. pretty much no one doing 2D animation is getting paid enough to do that level of work. hell, i don't know if 3D animators are getting paid enough to do it. animators don't do it accurately for the same reason bugs bunny has four fingers instead of five; shit's complicated. unless you got a freak in the studio who's obsessed with getting an accurate depiction. we love seeing what those freaks create, but they're not common.
Look up Metalocalypse. Their 100% correct note accurate animations will blow your mind.
Listen I’m a musician but one thing I can’t stand is when other musicians expect people to know shit when they’ve had no training to know. I draw too and I was thinking, had I not known how to play piano, would I really want to make it more difficult on myself to try and have someone come in and point out every key in each chord and then also have to remember that the entire time as you draw it on a piece of paper?
+Respect
“Pianos are NEVER animated correctly”
Tom giving a piano concert: “Are you sure about that?”
Ye but atleast the piano itself is animated correctly
wh-what do you mean?
@@misenthropic the piano in the video looks like a real piano
The piano wasn't animated, it was literally part of the background which OBVIOUSLY is just a painting... cartoon's animation is different from flipbooks...
Most shows don't depict instruments correctly, be it drums, guitar, or harps. Or in this case, piano, pretty funny honestly
Then you have shows like Metalocalypse which did their best to make sure the finger placements were correct on the guitar.
Gotta love Tom and Jerry flexing on Bugs bunny by actually putting effort into animating that piece being played. >_>
@@angrytedtalks STILL, looney tunes had a high budget and it was and is considered as high budget animation, anyways its just a cartoon done for entertainment, not something really as an artistical piece of entertainment
The fuck you mean actually putting effort into it, good on T&J for doing it, but animating piano accurately for the song is so much more time consuming and costs way more money, that painstaking effort isn’t necessary for a cartoon
Do you even understand how much more time-consuming it would be to animate something that most people would just overlook
How about you try to reanimate and "put actual effort" into it
People out here defending it like it's their own craft.
It's got a higher budget and has been produced a lot later aswell, which means they had access to better tools aswell.
Yes, it's more time consuming and more expensive, but there's still a noticible difference in the amount of passion of the animators that is showcased by the small details.
The title of the video holds true, because it IS rare for animators to actually spend the time doing so, which is a real pity because the scene becomes a lot more immersive when you can not only hear the music, but see the music being played aswell.
The best rated animations are simpy those that spend the time doing exactly that: Adding the small details.
@@Minecraftgnom its not because of pasion really, obviously both units liked their job, depending which animators, but its actually for budget reason, plus the production of a tom and jerry short would usually take 1 - 2 years, while a looney tunes short would usually take 7 months - 2 years to produce around that time, plus the person that directed the short was friz freleng which at the time, his unit has one of the best budget from other directors units, apparently chuck jones had the best budget, and it is clearly obvious if you look at the mid 50's shorts comparing it to other directors short from that time
I find it very close to what it's supposed to be. Accurate enough for the average viewer who knows a little music to enjoy. It's a cartoon afterall, not a documentary
I thought it was the same. Had to watch it twice to hear the difference.
Granted, let's be fair
Animating piano-playing thats accurate to the actual piano music, is probably much harder, than playing said-piano music
"To be faaair"
On the other hand, you have the notes on the music. It's not like flute or violin where a non-musician doesn't know how it's done. Additionally, they have an entire music department with multiple pianos in the studio, and they took the time to make it look correct from a timing and relative position. Given how long it takes and how much care they took to animate this scene (since they could have easily changed the angle to hide the hands), you would think they would at least get the notes correct on such an important part of the short.
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Ikr. Like when Bugs sticks his finger in the barrel of Elmer's gun and it blows up in Elmer's face... so inaccurate. They should show BB hand getting mangled. I hate inaccuracies in cartoons 🙄
@@Benjamin1986980 It's a six minute cartoon made to give you a couple of laughs before the movie starts. Relax.
@@nicholasmuro1742 It's a fucking cartoon what do you expect? It's supposed to make kids laugh, not be realistic.
To the dude who made this video, try animating 5 seconds of a character playing any keyboard notes. You won't ever feel like making a video like this ever again in your life. I have learnt the piano and my best friend is an animator. The time it takes for me to play a song of 5 minutes is only a quarter of the time it takes for him to draw a keyframe which lasts for 1/24th of a second (He is faster in drawing than anybody I know irl. My profile picture is one of his drawings.) And to the people who say that it's just time consuming and not as difficult as playing music,have you ever tried drawing like those animators? My friend and I sometimes try out each other's crafts and if I could ever have the level of understanding of 3D space as he does,that would be one of my greatest achievements.
Yeah, I'd imagine it's kinda hard to animate a performance when your musician is a rabbit with four fingers on each hand :P
Lmao so true
I was wondering why some people in the comments were pissed off, this seems like a light-hearted video? Then I read the description and saw the phrase "poorly animated". Yeah, probably a good idea to remove that. That's an unnecessary remark and a bit pretentious. This is still animated very well, it's just a bit inaccurate, but really who cares? It doesn't really matter, as a lot of other people have said.
Either way, good job figuring out what Bugs was "actually" playing, I thought that was fun
You need more attention
Right, like I don’t think a pianist is a better judge of what is or isn’t good animation than an actual animator who probably doesn’t get paid enough to care about these details anyway 😅
you gonna give it to him? and besides, he's right.
@@bobsegar1242 Animation is hard enough without focusing on accurate detail, it isn't a big deal.
Who did it first, Tom or Bugs Bunny? Because I have seen two videos in one day where those two are playing the piano, and the Tom one got an Oscar award for being accurate and creative, and if this one came after and not before, than BB was animated doing the same thing to capitalize on the fame, but if it's the reverse, Tom did it one better.
Yeah I wished they added more realistic pianos in a show about an anthropomorphic rabbit that obliterates people with falling anvils and bombs
IKR? And let's not even get into the way Elmer Fudd's shotgun works....
@@tjsogmc and you can't forget the road runner that can run across canyons...
@@Delsanium of course, and the ever present painted tunnels on the sides of cliffs. It always bothered me that the animators couldn't get that simple physics correct.
@@tjsogmc Man, the audacity...
@@tjsogmc idk if I spelled it the right way for that version of the world lol
The funniest moment on this particular Bugs Bunny cartoon, is when a member in the audience can't stop coughing when he's about to play. So Bugs gets frustrated and shoots him with a hand gun.
Accurate or not, Bugs introduced a LOT of classical music to kids.
Animators were overworked and underpaid. Being mad that they didn't have the effort to actually research the piece to animate it accurately is the most snobby thing that I'd come expect of the music community.
Musicians are the snobbiest people in the world and they do expect perfection. That's nothing new.
That's one reason why I quit piano lessons a long time ago and have more respect for genres that lean heavily on experimental stuff.
I'm pretty sure it's just him that's getting mad at this mistake,NOT THE WHOLE MUSIC COMMUNITY lol
Exactly lmao, thnk god you said it. Seriously people dont see the struggle of animating smh.
The most amusing part of these videos are the very people who - out of all the unrealistic stuff happening in cartoons - complain about the incorrect animation of playing instruments
FOR REAL 😂
I mean we don’t see scientists complaining about how wild coyote shouldn’t be able to walk and stand on thin air until he looks down so I hear ya but I understand how it could get annoying when it’s something you focus on daily.
@@BlueSoulGamer Obviously the coyote is in another planet with different rules of gravity
I have to ask, why would you expect the studio to spend the time and money to accurately animate per the music? What purpose would it serve and how many of the target audience would even know?
As a kid, I just wanted to see cartoons create drama lol, now that I’m older, I still just want to see cartoons create drama.
Wait so you're telling me that the talking bunny that can also walk on two legs that played basketball with Michael Jordan and LeBron James playing a piano isn't accurate?!?! No way.
This is fun...but the people who are actually irritated that a cartoon character from a million years ago doesn't appear to play a piece perfectly are like the people who used to tell me not to draw dragons, because dragons aren't real. XD
That sure detracts from the realism of a rabbit playing piano, doesn’t it?
"poorly animated" As someone who is in the arts it always baffles me how artists in different fields can be so ignorant. It's okay if you know its inaccurate because of your niche, but its not that serious and you're being rather pretentious. Animation is one of the hardest creative mediums to get to any level of acumen in. And you, a person who knows nothing about the craft, calling this animation "poor" is just like people saying you're a shit pianist because you don't play fast. This is master level animation that took decades of skill honing to even be able to do, and months of work to execute by dozens of staff members.
Well said. I'm also in the animation field and I'm constantly baffled by the number of people that don't understand how much hard work and dedication it takes to be an animator.
There's a term for this and I forget it, but when you're adept at a particular thing all the inconsistencies jump out at you. What people like this don't realize is there are inconsistencies indiscernible to their eye everywhere.
@@javascriptkiddie2718 Probably a good thing--if we all saw all the inconsistencies everywhere we'd go crazy ;-)
Animators never get the respect they deserve
Man, you are calling someone pretentious, yet you are pretentious yourself
As someone who plays the piano too, i'd say if this annoys you you're just a tryhard wannabe great pianist that's probably a beginner. These shows are not made specifically for pianists, we should be happy if we even just see them play the piano. They don't have to spend double the time animating them playing the right notes just so a small part of their viewers (people that play the piano) don't get butthurt by whether he goes half a note up or down
Seriously man, you have no idea how difficult animation is. You try being an expert at every detail of everything you are animating in addition to being be to draw realistic movement by with consistent feeling characters.
The animators never thought people would go this far
TikTok Piano tutorial be like:
that would be literally random keys, gerry chiniquy did a better job at animating bugs playing the piano better than an average fame seeker tiktoker could play it
Well, you know why they didn't always do that?...production values, time, and most folks wouldn't even notice. The impression is there, and in some cases doing the actual correct notes may not be as visually expressive or expedient for the scene. Speaking as a experienced composer and a terrible animator (ha!)...That's a ton of reference work for an animator to do. The tom & jerry team deserved an award if they didn't get one.
If you're going to nitpick on accuracy, Bugs is playing with only three fingers, you're playing with four. 🙂
Honestly that’s actually the most accurate I’ve seen it be in animation tho. Usually it will be COMPLETELY off. That actually doesn’t sound too bad.
Lol, I'd die as an animator if someone asked me to learn the piano keys AND animate the character's fingers to land on the exact piano key for every scene.
As long as it's not like some serious animated show that centers on pianos or music, I'd definitely just animate it to _look_ as if the character's playing the right notes.
Yeah, we are not music nerds, we are animation nerds
Yet the Tom and Jerry animators were up to the challenge
@General Grievous that’s them
@@generalgrievous3731 There’s more to cartoons than animation, and Looney Tunes was typically animated VERY smoothly..
@@DoomKid It's still easy to tell that Tom and Jerry had a higher budget cuz MGM studio was bigger than Warner Bros at the time
The way people are so pressed about a cartoon not animating the right keys says a lot
Nobody needs expertise, it’s just a cartoon
Guys doing extremely vintage and hard style of animation that took hours and hours to do 5 seconds worth of footage. But some dude is mad they didnt make the piano musically correct. You should be impressed on how they made beautiful art come alive in a time where it wasnt easy to do so.
attention all animators: when you animate your cartoon rabbit in a suit playing piano you MUST have him playing the correct notes. don't forget about those deadlines, though, we gotta make the warner brothers as much money as possible!
Others : Noooo this is so inaccurate!! I literally can't!!! OMG that's so offensive and annoying and frustrating!!! Tom and Jerry did it better!!!😡😡🤬😡🤬😡😭😭😭😡😡😱😱😡🤬🤬😡 IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO ANIMATE IT PROPERLY BECAUSE IT!!!
Me : woaa funny bunny so talented
Yeah no kidding.
You guys have to realize it is a cartoon, and an old one at that. They aren’t going to spend the time making it perfect
Exactly man, so true
Imagine getting frustrated over children cartoon that it's made for entertaining purposes and its not supposed to be realistic 💀💀💀
This here. Animation was / is a way to make fictional things lively and animated. It isn’t supposed to be super realistic or exactly like real life-it’s kind of an escape from reality or way to just simply; as I said bring characters and fictional places to life, give them movement, etc. This might sound a little on the stupid side to some people, but, animation isn’t supposed to be super realistic, even if it does have a realistic look to it: it’s still for fiction and entertainment purposes(or some other purposes but not to look like reality)
Yes, and how about the animators' perspective..? Imagine going through so much work of drawing, making sure the movement doesn't look too odd, making the animation smooth, and still seem entertaining. And then a bunch of people nag you about inaccuracy when you had little to no knowledge of playing the piano.
@@pomepau7082 Very interesting, but no extra payment tho, so who cares? Kids will still laugh at it anyway.
@@pomepau7082 and also, this a children cartoon made in 1930.
@@pomepau7082 Get over it.
I love these kind of comparisons cuz it shows that the animators have just enough knowledge about pianos to make it sound like absolute randomness (unless of course, it's meant to be).
Or if you're Tom and Jerry, have the absolute maximum knowledge of it and animate it almost damn near perfectly.
NO matter what he's playing, I wound up with an appreciation for classical music from watching old Loony Toons. This one, the Barber of Seville, etc. all put to animation cleverly by these guys. Thanks!!
I'm sure this has been mentioned but can we just acknowledge that -- regardless of the accuracy -- how amazing it is that a FREAKING RABBIT knows how to play piano?! Ugh. I really think we're missing the big picture here, guys...Next video from Yenchy: "no way that Tom and Jerry could do all of those things WITHOUT OPPOSABLE THUMBS..."
😂
It's a freakin cartoon! Lol And people are upset... smh
It's like they can't suspend their disbelief anymore.
I still don't get why people go out of there ways and make videos exposing that one little scene is incorrect I mean it's just a movie....
bro if you consider this child's cartoon frustrating because of the way the goddamn piano was animated you need some other hobbies my guy
Let's still give the designer credit for the rabbit's hands being so coordinated, in rhythm with the music. I don't like it in E minor just as much as everyone else. C# Minor all the way 💖
"LiTeRaLLy this is very fTuStRaTiNg to see how PoOrLy aNiMaTeD this is… SaAaAd"
This is the same episode in which Bugs picked up every single piano key and dropped it back down to make music, and even used the damn thing as a typewriter. And yet here you are getting triggered over something as silly as a cartoon. The words "Accuracy" and "Looney Tunes" Should NEVER go together.
Inaccurate note depiction should not cause your merry-go-round to break down.
This is well animated, the fact that the sound doesn't match the animation is an entirely different issue, but it's not poorly animated, lmao.
I don’t care what he actually played, bugs bunny is skilled, valid, and goated.
and nobody cares, we met classical music and it's more than what animated series can give us today
I’m fairly certain that it has been proven that this clip was animated correctly by people with perfect pitch. You played it with all notes between the fingers. But the animation clearly shows that he hits the notes correctly. If you pause it at the right timing, you can see the notes that are played (which are correct for this specific piece)
Thought I was the only one that noticed it
Are you thinking of the Tom and Jerry version of the same piece? I recently saw a video saying that one was animated with the correct notes being hit and, when I first saw this video, I did think "Well, that's strange, because I saw somebody come to the exact opposite conclusion just the other day" until I realised that was Tom and this is Bugs Bunny.
@@beeble2003 I think it was this video. But even if it weren’t, you can still see that he is playing the notes correctly, if you pause the video at the right moment. The creator of this video played every note between the fingers, whereas buggs has his fingers in the correct position.
@@meercat3457 OK. I'm not a pianist, so I can't see whether it's correct or not, as long as moving to the right gives higher-pitched notes. Just wanted to check that you weren't confusing two similar cartoons in exactly the same way that I had.
I think it is NOT correct, I don't have a perfect pitch, but it is easy to compare the animation with a online piano. The first note you can hear is cis, but he presses a "f", then at 2th second you can hear: cis,h,cis,h but he plays: e,f,e,f. At the 5th second you can hear: cis, e, d,cis but he plays: e,g,e,f,e
I used a german website for the online piano, maybe the notes are named a bit different and as I dont have a perfect pitch and my last music lesson was a long time ago I can be wrong, it is just my impression.
Then there's me, a casual, who didn't care if it's animated correctly, I'm there for the good ol fashioned comedy they brought 😂
As a musician I couldn’t care less, I don’t give a fk what they mimic, I’m a guitar player, do you really want people to animate note per note on a guitar? What a nightmare that’s completely useless for an animator. Getting close is all you need, NOBODY who doesn’t play the specific instrument will ever see it’s wrong as long as the hands are close to where they’re supposed to be, so why bother with completely useless animations that just doubles, triple or quadruples the work time of the animator hence the budget? You guys are ridiculous
Animators on their seventh night shift back to back living on cup noodles tryna get the fingers right on an intrsument
You can't expect animators to also be accomplished pianists. Surely it happens from time to time, but it can't be very often.
That isn't ANYWHERE near as bad as I thought it would be. Thought it would really sound like a cat trying to hump the keys and making a cacophony.
okay but let's acknowledge how realistic that hair (ears?) brush out of face move was 0:06