@@pasajerodelabrujula8261 I mean, isn't he supposed to be some kind of self-made man? And I remember there being a lot of unspoken tension between the Roys and the Pierces due to the nature of their respective fortunes.
@@yggdrasil2 Exactly. The Pierce's are old money, and that is why Nan can walk away from Logan's bid on her company. She will always have money. Logan struggled his entire life to get where he is, and he resents the old money people who never had to get their hands dirty and looked down on him for growing up poor. For Kendall to act like they are not new money is so delusional when his wealth only goes back one generation.
1:51 Shiv's reaction is incredible - she first gives a blank look as a reflex of playing dumb re: Matsson with her brothers, only to realize the news is bad for HER as well and switches to genuine distress. Sarah Snook is brilliant.
3:05 The way Matsson furrows his brow and then stammers out a "Well we, we, we, we, we..." felt very Greg-like. He came off like a laidback deer in the headlights.
@@verpen8108he never got paid. He was just offered it. They didn't end up using him. Ironically offered by Roman who also offered the kid a million dollars if he hit a home run then rubbed it in his face when he almost did it but failed to in episode 1. Luckily Logan gave the kid an expensive watch but also made his family sign an NDA. They're all awful people but sure go ahead and die on that hill defending them.
@@Koi_World okay, Romulus offered him a million dollars in exchange for photos of Kendall's initials tattooed on the hobos forehead. We didn't get a definitive scene with the transaction happening but I assume that the former hobo didn't give them the photos before receiving his payment.
people saying that this is all an elaborate ruse by Matsson have no understanding of the show... that's just not how it works. Cons like that are introduced & revealed within single episodes, they're not stretched out over an entire season. Not to mention Matsson gains absolutely nothing by lying about inflated numbers. It's been made clear that he & Ebba have an f'd up relationship, so no surprise she spills the beans. Also, the first time he told Shiv about the blood bricks he was drunk & high on cocaine... he just slipped up; not trying to deceive her.
Agree with everything EXCEPT that he slipped up. Mattson's like everyone on this show, rich, damaged, emotionally immature, smart but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. I think Mattson told Shiv about the blood because he genuinely wanted someone he could confide in. He also picked up, early on in Norway, that Shiv was being shut out by her brothers, so he confided in her to get him more on his side. It's a twisted form of endearment, rather like Roman sending dick pics to Gerri, or for that matter Mattson sending blood to Ebba.
I bet the people saying this is a ruse are the same type of people that think all billionaires are master strategists and cannot do dumb things therefore a show with dumb billionaires looks "unrealistic" to them.
The writer of THE SOCIAL NETWORK?? I think his background is what influences his writing … so he may not have the same finesse when it comes to writing upper class characters …….You can see that anytime the twins in social network talk … quick , dumped down and short
The greatest tragedy is that if Kendall shined a proper spotlight in this it could have killed the deal. If he just presented this idea to the board, he could have won over a vote to win.
None of it really mattered in the end. All those eccentricities of matsson didn’t mean shit. I thought these bogus numbers shit would do something to the deal but they didn’t. They aren’t even really mentioned later or even affect the money.
The actor may speak perfect English but he was born Swedish. Mattson's accent and weird speech patterns are almost certainly based on people in Alexander Skarsgård's own life
None of them talk in complete sentences. Which is why it doesn't feel like scripted dialogue and feels more real. This is how cornered, angry, sad and under stress ppl speak.
Got mad respect for Matsson's psyop game, being able to use Ebba to feed the Roys false and/or erroneous information just so he can suss out how the Roys will attempt to stop his merger with ATN lel
Yet another thread that went nowhere. Ebba's whole character exists to introduce blood bricks and India, but neither of those ended up being consequential. they contribute next to nothing to plot or character development. It's all great execution by the actors but what the hell is up with the pointless scenes. This whole India thread is more pointless than some of the deleted scenes from other series. feels like the writers are saying "gotcha fuck you for caring"
I think it was to convey one of the reasons, Matteson was so interested in acquiring Way Star, by becoming so big that the India thing would become much less relevant. This is me spitballing, I really don't know what the point was.
Not really, there is a point to all of this. You see, Mattson is basically a fraud and can't technically afford Waystar and ATN. His hope is to buy it to drown out the noise of his fraud and eventually sell the business for parts to recuperate his investment while legitimizing his wealth. Gojo was always going to tank when people found out it was fake, so Mattson needed a way to scam himself into actual wealth. At the end of the story, we think he's successful because he wins in the moment and achieves his plan. However, he actually cucks himself because he just ended up playing a $192 a share (33% premium above what he was originally going to pay) on an already overvalued company that he can't afford. Mattson is never recuperating his investment and he isn't the business mogul (like logan) that is capable of making Waystar + ATN appreciate in value. So he's basically fucked. The point of all these scenes is to inform the watcher that Mattson ends up losing too, because he too is not a serious person. He like Kendal, Roman and Shiv are too emotional. It fits in with the whole theme of the show. Everyone ends up losing. Succession as a story is a tragedy because nobody technically wins.
i think the whole fake numbers in India thing , and Mattson harassing Ebba stuff might be a ruse both of those things revealed by Ebba nd Mattson themselves, and Roy kids have 0 evidence that they are true
Ok, if this was all a ruse, to what end? The deal would still go through and the plan still being to cut Kendall and Roman out would remain, so why would this convoluted plan need to happen anyway?
@@J____L first to gain shivs trust so she would him help along the way , And also to make Kendall make mistake based on false info which his doing by trying to blow the deal
The India numbers conflict was probably real. The reason it was included was so Shiv could speak up about it, making Lukas realize she isn't the yes man he was looking for and choose Tom as CEO instead.
Because every word in a sentence is going through a filter while also keeping it vague enough to not give out info to those not in the know. So you can listen to a conversation but if you don’t know the topic it has no meaning, it just noise
Says the tiny PP “man” who can’t even get a woman to look in his direction. I get it! Life is hard for your kind. Here’s hoping it gets better and you become better. ❤
Did anyone else have an irrational dislike for Ebba. I like that she drags Matsson but like the nervous smoking shtick is so boring and she just doesn't seem like a good actress? I know it's petty but likeeeee....
![roman & shiv being besties - [Succession]](/img/1.gif)
"If there were two Indias it would make sense" is one of the most jaw dropping lines in the series.
It’s not *bullshit*. But it’s kind of… bullshit?
@@LloydWaldo Just tells the kind of crazy these high level Business Types are.
Loved that line. He was kind of careful with the words and with the phrasing, but he basically told that they inflated the number at least ×200% 🤦♂️
Ya jaw dropping cause I’m yawning
Yea tbh it's not that jaw dropping - relative to some of the other lines in the series
"I'm telling you. New money. Gotta hold those fresh bills to the light." What an amazing line.
Classic Kendall.
Lol as if his dad wasn't also new money
@@pasajerodelabrujula8261 I mean, isn't he supposed to be some kind of self-made man? And I remember there being a lot of unspoken tension between the Roys and the Pierces due to the nature of their respective fortunes.
@@pasajerodelabrujula8261nope
@@yggdrasil2 Exactly. The Pierce's are old money, and that is why Nan can walk away from Logan's bid on her company. She will always have money. Logan struggled his entire life to get where he is, and he resents the old money people who never had to get their hands dirty and looked down on him for growing up poor. For Kendall to act like they are not new money is so delusional when his wealth only goes back one generation.
1:51 Shiv's reaction is incredible - she first gives a blank look as a reflex of playing dumb re: Matsson with her brothers, only to realize the news is bad for HER as well and switches to genuine distress. Sarah Snook is brilliant.
It’s genuinely hilarious how she screwed herself over for no reason
@@idont448 she a fool for that fr
I hadn't even noticed her expressions at first, it's so subtle, but brilliant nonetheless.
3:05 The way Matsson furrows his brow and then stammers out a "Well we, we, we, we, we..." felt very Greg-like. He came off like a laidback deer in the headlights.
how tf are your 4 comments on top
@@MRHEY 😂😂😂 No idea
“He seems kinda awful” says the guy who paid a homeless person to tattoo his name on his forehead.
Yeah and then that guy got paid a million dollars
Your honor my client was drunk when he did that
@@verpen8108he never got paid. He was just offered it. They didn't end up using him. Ironically offered by Roman who also offered the kid a million dollars if he hit a home run then rubbed it in his face when he almost did it but failed to in episode 1. Luckily Logan gave the kid an expensive watch but also made his family sign an NDA. They're all awful people but sure go ahead and die on that hill defending them.
@@Koi_World okay, Romulus offered him a million dollars in exchange for photos of Kendall's initials tattooed on the hobos forehead. We didn't get a definitive scene with the transaction happening but I assume that the former hobo didn't give them the photos before receiving his payment.
wasn't that Roman who wanted Kendal's initials tattooed
“By next quarter the numbers will be real again…probably”
"Time to pillage THEIR village."
The angles during the dialogue look like they were doing that "how to talk to short people" meme.
Because Alexander Skarsgard is a gigantic real-life Viking
Any scene between Greg and Kendall is equally hilarious. There's like a foot difference in their heights so the angles always look comedic and weird
@@BatmanHQYT It was weird how Nicholas Braun still dwarfed him
@@BatmanHQYTFun fact, Nicholas Braun (Greg) is 6'7" and is taller than Alexander Skarsgard who is 6'4"
The numbers are gay!!
dont you think thats a little homophobic?
@@berserk4souls your cute little numbers came out as gay
@@berserk4souls He just means the numbers aren't straight. Of course, he said it in a roundabout way for shock's sake. lol
@@uscitizen3252 …I’m just quoting Kendall’s response
@@berserk4souls oh lol true!
people saying that this is all an elaborate ruse by Matsson have no understanding of the show... that's just not how it works. Cons like that are introduced & revealed within single episodes, they're not stretched out over an entire season. Not to mention Matsson gains absolutely nothing by lying about inflated numbers. It's been made clear that he & Ebba have an f'd up relationship, so no surprise she spills the beans. Also, the first time he told Shiv about the blood bricks he was drunk & high on cocaine... he just slipped up; not trying to deceive her.
Agree with everything EXCEPT that he slipped up. Mattson's like everyone on this show, rich, damaged, emotionally immature, smart but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. I think Mattson told Shiv about the blood because he genuinely wanted someone he could confide in. He also picked up, early on in Norway, that Shiv was being shut out by her brothers, so he confided in her to get him more on his side. It's a twisted form of endearment, rather like Roman sending dick pics to Gerri, or for that matter Mattson sending blood to Ebba.
I bet the people saying this is a ruse are the same type of people that think all billionaires are master strategists and cannot do dumb things therefore a show with dumb billionaires looks "unrealistic" to them.
@@hughjass8807 agree w/ this completely
@@PrestigeLearning agree w/ this too
@@hughjass8807conspiracy theorists in a nutshell
It’s incredible how bad Kendall is at small talk, like he stumbles through even the most basic of conversations.
“on a human level”
Every billionaire kid's problem when they have to talk to someone outside their circle.
This is why I foresee ATN going under within 2 years of the final episode! 🤣
Shivs nervous laughter..OMG I love Sarah Snook
Nice shot of the Flos Bellhop table lamp at the beginning
“A butcher with a smile”🤣🤣
I think Aron Sorkin himself watched this show with this level of writing and thought seriously about retirement.
The writer of THE SOCIAL NETWORK?? I think his background is what influences his writing … so he may not have the same finesse when it comes to writing upper class characters …….You can see that anytime the twins in social network talk … quick , dumped down and short
He actually called himself a “Succession evangelist” in an interview so he is a fan for sure.
😂
"Slim Reaper" - amazing
The greatest tragedy is that if Kendall shined a proper spotlight in this it could have killed the deal. If he just presented this idea to the board, he could have won over a vote to win.
‘…a little bit bullshit’
😅😅😅
None of it really mattered in the end. All those eccentricities of matsson didn’t mean shit. I thought these bogus numbers shit would do something to the deal but they didn’t. They aren’t even really mentioned later or even affect the money.
Matsson talks so weird
The actor may speak perfect English but he was born Swedish. Mattson's accent and weird speech patterns are almost certainly based on people in Alexander Skarsgård's own life
None of them talk in complete sentences. Which is why it doesn't feel like scripted dialogue and feels more real. This is how cornered, angry, sad and under stress ppl speak.
@@spanishflea634 Heard his post-show interview, you're right. But he does American so well!
If you watch True Blood, he nailed that Southern Accent but for this show, Alex is using his original accent, Swedish accent to sound more natural
Got mad respect for Matsson's psyop game, being able to use Ebba to feed the Roys false and/or erroneous information just so he can suss out how the Roys will attempt to stop his merger with ATN lel
Just not buying that LM’s ppl would be divulging info. I hope it’s a scheme from LM otherwise it’s pretty unbelievable
Absolutely. He’s going to bury the brothers
The plan was already to bury the brothers in the deal, so why would they need add this "fake numbers actually no they're real" bit?
yeah I was surprised at how many people just accepted what was obviously a staged public argument
He's a prick it's not surprising.
always be weary of financial/sub stats coming out india 😂
Why?
Yet another thread that went nowhere. Ebba's whole character exists to introduce blood bricks and India, but neither of those ended up being consequential.
they contribute next to nothing to plot or character development.
It's all great execution by the actors but what the hell is up with the pointless scenes.
This whole India thread is more pointless than some of the deleted scenes from other series.
feels like the writers are saying "gotcha fuck you for caring"
I think it was to convey one of the reasons, Matteson was so interested in acquiring Way Star, by becoming so big that the India thing would become much less relevant. This is me spitballing, I really don't know what the point was.
Not really, there is a point to all of this. You see, Mattson is basically a fraud and can't technically afford Waystar and ATN. His hope is to buy it to drown out the noise of his fraud and eventually sell the business for parts to recuperate his investment while legitimizing his wealth. Gojo was always going to tank when people found out it was fake, so Mattson needed a way to scam himself into actual wealth.
At the end of the story, we think he's successful because he wins in the moment and achieves his plan. However, he actually cucks himself because he just ended up playing a $192 a share (33% premium above what he was originally going to pay) on an already overvalued company that he can't afford. Mattson is never recuperating his investment and he isn't the business mogul (like logan) that is capable of making Waystar + ATN appreciate in value. So he's basically fucked. The point of all these scenes is to inform the watcher that Mattson ends up losing too, because he too is not a serious person. He like Kendal, Roman and Shiv are too emotional.
It fits in with the whole theme of the show. Everyone ends up losing. Succession as a story is a tragedy because nobody technically wins.
Also advanced the plot of Shiv being pushy on the India tactics which was a factor in Matson souring on her
@@kylesteiner50 that's a good take, man theses writers knew what they were doing
It is actually a very important plot point...just in a very indirect way.
It’s a TRAP!
is it really tho??
Star Wars
nah
Nah, I don’t think it is cuz matsson seemed genuinely frightened by the numbers. He’s using Waystar as a scapegoat
i think the whole fake numbers in India thing , and Mattson harassing Ebba stuff might be a ruse
both of those things revealed by Ebba nd Mattson themselves, and Roy kids have 0 evidence that they are true
It is. He knows how to lead these two down a primrose path
Ok, if this was all a ruse, to what end? The deal would still go through and the plan still being to cut Kendall and Roman out would remain, so why would this convoluted plan need to happen anyway?
@@J____L first to gain shivs trust so she would him help along the way ,
And also to make Kendall make mistake based on false info which his doing by trying to blow the deal
@@erm12341 too much stress…you’re overthinking it
The India numbers conflict was probably real. The reason it was included was so Shiv could speak up about it, making Lukas realize she isn't the yes man he was looking for and choose Tom as CEO instead.
Good show, but I never understood why these rich people talk like teenage girls: "Uh, like, wow, totally..."
Cuz they are fucking idiots
Have you ever heard Musk talk lmao
Because every word in a sentence is going through a filter while also keeping it vague enough to not give out info to those not in the know.
So you can listen to a conversation but if you don’t know the topic it has no meaning, it just noise
She blew up like a balloon
Says the tiny PP “man” who can’t even get a woman to look in his direction. I get it! Life is hard for your kind. Here’s hoping it gets better and you become better. ❤
Did anyone else have an irrational dislike for Ebba. I like that she drags Matsson but like the nervous smoking shtick is so boring and she just doesn't seem like a good actress? I know it's petty but likeeeee....
Nah looks like you're in an incel bubble on that one.