Voron Clone Falls Apart - Sovol SV08 May Have a Problem
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- 2024-06-22 UPDATE: A new update on this issue, hopefully wrapping up the SV08 nozzle story, can be found here • Voron Clone Nozzle Sit...
This is a follow-up to my previous video on the Sovol SV08, which you can watch here: • Voron Clone Destroys I...
0:00 Not a Review
1:06 Defining the Problem
5:32 Short Term Solution
7:05 Sassy Cable Management
13:13 Long Term Fix
16:10 Stop Blaming Early Adopters
Thanks to everyone who watched and commented on that one! With your help, I was able to figure out the problem, and I'm really concerned that I'm seeing other people in the community with similar issues. This could be a serious issue for the Sovol SV08 if it keeps happening as pre-orders continue to be fulfilled.
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I wonder if this was the reason that suddenly about 3 weeks ago, over on Sovols website, all the nozzles except for the 0.4mm kits randomly disappeared and they went from a silver to more of a copper colour. I certainly hope they fix this soon, especially if it is caused by the higher heat from printing PETG .etc. I was kind of excited to finally have an enclosed printer to print some PETG, ABS, Nylon and ASA.
Thanks for sharing this with us!
I like how it's not triggered, it's TRIGGERED
With press fit parts, the tolerances need to be very tight. Im sure its just a manufacturing issue that can be resolved. With any new product (especially at this price point) There are always some bumps in the road. Thanks for sharing this, Im gathering as much info in anticipation of receiving mine hopefully sooner than later.
Why releasing propietry nozzles is bad (this is a problem that never needed to exist).
I've been wondering what has been the holdup at Sovol, as they seem to have paused shipping SV08s. Just a shame Sovol isn't more forthcoming keeping people in the loop. Radio silence from Sovol...
I got an update - I'll post a new video as soon as I can!
Yeah, I have issues with the idea that a company - much less an established one - releases a product that's not actually been properly tested and that it's up to the adopters to help finish testing. Especially for something so integral to the use of the printer.
I have a Stealthburner kit that I was going to mount on one of my FT5s...maybe I'll put it on the SV08 whenever it arrives instead just to be safe.
The first big mod I'll probably do to mine is get rid of that hotend. I've seen the revo mod, but feel like someone might come up with a simpler solution.
Unfortunate that they chose a press fit when they (as a 3D printer manufacturer) must know that there's gonna be near constant pressure trying to slip that piece out of position. Either press fit it from the other side with a boss to keep the nozzle from moving downwards or spend the 50 cents in manufacturing costs for a set screw that interfaces with a groove to prevent any movement along the filament path.
But what do I know, I don't make $5mil in revenue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did u keep the broken nozzle? Would be awesome to get some measurements of the dimensions of the bore/ nozzle. I thought until now its one single part and planned to mill it down to see whats going on. My idea was if possible to drill out the nozzle, add a thread beeing able to use screw-in nozzles
I did - it's around here somewhere. I'll see if I can dig it up. If so, I'll take some measurements and post them. Worst case, Sovol published a bunch of CAD models which should include the nozzle and hotend.
@@MaximalistWorkshop uh yeah thats a great idea, didn't think about that!
Instead of doing the bare minimum fix, they should take this as an opportunity to improve their printer. Take a page from FLsun and drill cht-style grooves directly into the hotend and use commodity V6 nozzles. It'll fix this problem, improve volumetric flow rate, reduce costs to the user, low conductivity wear resistant nozzles would have an insignificant hit to volumetric flow, and users can buy countless variants of V6 nozzles or make it themselves if they have a lathe. The extra volumetric flow would take much better advantage of the speed their motion system claims to offer.
Could a grub screw be put into the heater block to set the nozzle in place?
I think they were trying to ride on the Voron coattails and put out a fast/cheap alternative. One of the cost cutting measures appears to be the heat-block/nozzle setup. Granted, it's about half the price of a V2.4 in that size, and that's worth something.
I would still consider the SV08 over a Voron if I needed a larger printer. I do like the CoreXY (I have a Voron 0.2) and am converting my SV06 to CoreXY now.
Yes, adding a screw to the heater block is something that some folks are trying. Voron has been central to their marketing from the beginning, but it seems like they really didn't test the T300's nozzle with PETG with the SV08's accelerations before releasing the machine. Based on their email to me, I had understood adding a screw is what Sovol is doing and that this new design was in testing - it's discussed in my update video linked in the description. However, they have since publicly said that they don't think it's a design issue and they're checking with their manufacturers to confirm that tolerances are fixed. That statement is posted on my RUclips profile. At this point, I'm not sure what the plan is.
I don't see why they didn't use a thermal adhesive or set screw to lock it in place from factory.
Or a screw or literally anything else hahaha. Since they never had any issues with T300 users, it just never occurred to them to test whether the nozzle could handle SV08 accelerations with all materials.
are you one of the ones on the FB page that mentioned you had this issue? i have seen a few people pop up with this issue and its almost always when printing PETG. i just dont know what makes PETG the filament that causes the issue. i have a ton of print time on my machine and most of it is with ABS/ASA and my nozzles havent budged. hopefully Sovol addresses this and sends out fixed nozzles out to customers that have the original ones.
Thanks! I'm not one of the people who mentioned they have this issue, but I am on the Facebook pages for the SV08, so I've seen the posts you're talking about. Super useful to know this issue isn't happening for you with ABS and ASA! In that case, it's more likely that this is a PETG-specific issue, which is reassuring. Agreed that it would be nice for them to send out new nozzles to everyone so that we don't have to stare at our printers around the clock. If it's more feasible for them due to costs or low supply, I'd also be fine if they just sent the new ones to people with malfunctions, though, as long as they replace whatever else breaks. I just want this fixed soon.
@MaximalistWorkshop ill likely purchase a set of "fixed" nozzles when they are out. As far as watching my printer, lol I just don't. I feel comfortable enough with my machine that I can press go and walk away. I actually took one of my spare nozzles and heated it up with a soldering iron to well over 300°c and tried to pull the nozzle out with a couple of pliers. While I was able to get the nozzle to turn I could not pull it out, and ended up crushing the tip of the nozzle before it even showed signs of coming out. Good luck with your machine.
I have been thinking of getting a SV08 but a recent experience has changed my mind. I have a SV06 plus and had an issue with the bed leveling sensor or main board not listening to the sensor. This is my only printer so it was a pain not being to use it. After almost a month of trying different replacement parts and the 2-3 day turnaround just to get a response I have made a decision. My next printer will be a Voron 2.4, 350mm^3 build volume. I will eventually convert it to a tool changer.
Of course you pay at least two times the price of a SV08. Mind that the SV08 i completely open source and soon there will be many, many mods in order to use a alternative nozzle like a V6, volcano or Bambu lab..
If you're definitely not the handy person to do well documented mods, you probably also need to stay away from a Voron?
So, that's my 2 cents
Look into the troodon 2.0 pro. It’s what the sv08 wants to be. Despite what Sovol has said the sv08 is not open source beyond releasing cad models. Most parts are proprietary, Voron mods do not work on it, and even the klipper it runs on is custom to Sovol and has not been made available.
@@chemicalwaffle9220 Many parts are standard like idlers, pulleys, a makerbase clone board, it's a ery simple printer. The CAD model is the only thing I need to easily building my mods.. I've been building my own 3d printers for 10 years now, and the SV08 might be the first of the shelf printer I buy. Goal is the equip it with a decent tool changer..
@@winandd8649I hope you are successful in that project. That would make the sv08 much more interesting. I think it could be a good base for modding like an ender 3. I just wish they spent more time on QA. I have been seeing so many issues online that were avoidable.
@@chemicalwaffle9220 Thanks, indeed a nice platform for modding. All issues there might be with the SV08 can all be resolved. Cheers!
Arh! How nice! I was about to ask, curious to see what was wrong. Thanks for the update. Too bad the nozzle came apart, I wonder if it's an isolated issue or if more users are affected. My SV08 should be shipped at 22nd of June, but it turns out to be at the first week of August. (3djake). I agree on your statement about the 'early adopter' part. The issue with the nozzle has got to with incorrect tolerances, they are not tight enough (looking at the 3d step file they are being press fitted into the heater block). What strikes me as odd is that at first, the images on the Sovol website with the SV08 nozzles showed silver plated nozzles, and now they show copper nozzles. On the other hand; it's common for companies to change things in their designs, different iterations for mechanical constructions are pretty common based on customer feedback. I found a small issue in the pinout on their github, and it was fixed within 2 days. They seem to be very responsive. (at least in my case). But the more printers are being sold, the more emails they will receive.
Thanks!! More users are affected - lots of posts from them on social media now, including in the comments here it seems. I agree with you that Sovol's customer service is top notch, especially in this field, and I'm sure they're working diligently to address the issue. It would just be good if they made a public statement about it so that people can stop using PETG on their machines for now. Weirdly, it seems like this is only happening with PETG - I haven't found any cases involving ASA or ABS. I think I figured out why the nozzles changed - I'll follow up with an update video ASAP.
That's crazy... I think they should have just went with a high flow hotend that uses standard v6 or volcano nozzles. Needing their custom nozzles is a killer for me. I'd end up tossing the stock extruder/hotend and going with something more standard. At least it runs Klipper so you can do just about anything you want. Having to ditch parts that suck adds to the cost of the machine.
Agreed - fwiw, the Revo adaptor is available from PCBWay (though surprisingly expensive; waiting for mine now), and there's someone in the community who designed a V6 adaptor for which they're just trying to find a manufacturer now. As expected from the maker community, new alternatives are popping up every day!
I am looking at your latest video regarding the problems you have with your solvo sv08. Do you know what you had the tool head fan plugged into the wrong port on the board?
Good eye - wasn't causing my issue, but that does seem to be the wrong fan port based on Sovol's official videos. I remember keeping everything the way it was from the factory, but it's possible I fumbled something at some point.
@MaximalistWorkshop no problem I have seen some other tubers make the same mistake its easy to do
Right now, the yt channel "The next layer" made a hotend to enable the usage of revo v6 nozzles. I was thinking that maybe I should use the "normal" head from voron designs and this video confirm it. Thanks.
Nice video. I was laughing then crying, then smiling.. haha :D
Thanks so much! That really means a lot.
thanks, I was about to order one... but now.. I´m not so sure perhaps instead the Infimech TX
Interesting. I would still go with the Sovol, honestly, or at least something other than the TX. I'm only just hearing of the Infimech, and there's nothing about it that stands out as unique in terms of performance when compared to more common printers like the Bambu Lab X1C/P1S, the K1 series from Creality, Qidi's new machine, the 5M series from Flashforge, or the KLP1 from Kingroon. The leveling system is kinda cool, but it's not necessary, and those other machines machines all have parts readily available from both the manufacturer and third parties. As far as I can tell, they are all also from much more well-established companies. I plan to make a video on it at some point, but I've always been weary of printers from companies that don't have a mid-to-long track record ever since the Wizmaker P1 and some others died on arrival.
At a glance, almost none of the parts being sold for the TX, even on the manufacturer's website, and something absolutely will break on a 3d printer. Even the nozzles aren't listed on their website, except as part of a complete hotend assembly. While Sovol is backed up with preorders, at least they dropped just about every part on their website on release, we get quick responses from Sovol for new parts (I don't have any experience with Infimech and can't compare), and we now have the CAD models for the SV08 to make upgrades or print our own parts.
@@MaximalistWorkshop Well I was surprised by this quite honest review ruclips.net/video/Kj0KjlPEEs0/видео.html and This unknown brand is just a new sub-brand name of a rather big 3d printer company Flying Bears.. And although there is a reality K2 plus on the horizon, I , ve just had it with Creality in general, however You´re doing a great job here, and I still like the basic Idea of only moving the gantry (Sovol SV8), so perhaps the combination of this BIGTREETECH Eddy Auto Leveling Sensor and a Steathlburner Extruder Design would give a Sovol Sv8 its better extruder/leveling/ system.
That same thing absolutely destroyed my print bed. Are you printing with PETG? Several of us on the Facebook group had this issue with PETG but not PLA. I suspect the solder for the nozzle cannot withstand higher heat
Yep! You guessed it. I was using PETG at the time, and I think you're probably right. If that's the case, then things are going to get MUCH worse when the enclosures are finally shipped and people start trying to print with ABS, ASA, etc. I hate to speculate, but what if that's a reason the enclosures are taking so long?
@@MaximalistWorkshop supposedly they are working on a fix for this issue. The nozzle is from the Comgrow T300 so maybe they got a deal on a batch of those nozzles. I am planning use a proven Voron toolhead one mine, I don't want to deal with proprietary and poorly executed nozzles
@@SKPhoto816 Thanks for the intel! Sounds like a true Voron toolhead is likely the way to go. I'll probably give some thought to doing the same once I've put the machine through its paces at stock. Maybe put a Chube on it or something.
@@MaximalistWorkshop nice plan. I am researching the Xol toolhead. I need something that can do PLA and Engineering grade materials equally well
@@MaximalistWorkshop Well that's going to suck. I was hoping to use the sv08 as a dedicated ABS/ASA printer in my garage.
4:32 Yea...That's gonna cause some issues with Z offset ;)
right?! 🤣
My voron also have a problem (the problem is I have disassembled it for the 69th time to upgrade it so it goes like 5% faster)
Hahahahaha - relatable! My Voron (located directly above my SV08) is still a jumble of wires from the last disassembly. I had actually been hoping to use the SV08 to repair it as sort of an homage.
A lot of electronics related industries somehow deem it perfectly acceptable to release unfinished products, hoping they'll ripe on the way to the customer like bananas. Among 3D printing companies, Prusa is pretty well known for releasing high price unfinished products. And it's like the rest of the industry over in China loves to copy this particular trait for some reason.
A P1P is 499 a SV08 is 580
As much as i hate Bambulab i would rather buy the P1P
unless... it's more worth it to get this cheap voron kit. But if you need another printer to fix this one. I can't buy it then.
Because i'm trying to buy my first ever printer.
I would not recommend a Voron as your first printer, especially if you don't have the means to print new parts. It's not worth it, and the learning curve is much steeper than something already difficult like an Ender 3. I'm not sure why you don't like Bambu Lab, but they make great machines; I use one for any parts I actually care about in each of my workshops. They're reliable, and parts for them are both cheap and plentiful. Great for beginners.
@@MaximalistWorkshop
@MaximalistWorkshop Yeah, you are right.
The why I'm very interested in the sv08 because yes it's a voron and I have a thinkerer mindset. I love that i could tweak everything and nothing would stop me from modding every single bit of the machine.
Sad thing that keeps me from buying it is those manufacturing weirdness.
And the reason of why I 'hate/don't trust' BambuLab is because you can't own those machines.
They connect to the internet without permission, you have to connect them if you want any convenience, also they upload telemetry.
Also if something breaks it's very possible you can't fix it if there aren't parts available, you can't do board repair because we don't have the schematics. Closed Source everything, etc.
That's why I'm having a hard time choosing what to buy :)
I guess we now know why the z offset seems to be so dodgy... Bummer...
Possible! Tbh, automatic z offset on every printer except for Bambu Lab and Creality's X1/X1C are invariably slightly off. About as accurate as the paper method, in my view, but I think that's because Bambu and the X1 series rely primarily on a strain gauge instead of trying to use both a strain gauge and some other probe. Would need to do more testing to confirm.
@@MaximalistWorkshop a press fit that loose would be an excellent candidate for the greater part of the variability at least. In the end it's pointless though, they should have gone with a standard hotend, not this proprietary crap.
If you buy ANY new machine from a Chinese company then you are a beta tester - always. This is the way Chinese manufacturers operate.
Including the Bambulab or is this just classic racism? You get what you pay for, if you want quality then pay more, broke ass.
They also have no morals about copying designs.
Sovol sold knockoff enders. There you go
I hear you. This nozzle has some issues, but Sovol makes good printers. The Ender 3 was iconic, and everybody sold (and continues to sell) some version of it, so Sovol isn't unique there.
Is that ip address 2:06 okay?
Thanks! That's a local IP address - they don't go anywhere except on a given local network. A public IP would be more of a concern. I think SomeOrdinaryGamers did a video on this at some point. Any time you see “192.168.x.x”, that’s not something that’s online and accessible except locally or through VPN or a similar tool.
There is a revo mod for it
They are a fairly established business at this point. Providing them with feedback, for free, isn't something I would continue doing. And I have stopped. Kudos, but don't help them.
They are adults, if they can't figure out running a business, and how to make the items for the market they chose...then they deserve what they get. Everyone does, actually. And if that is offensive, you're probably involved in offensive activity.
But just one more fail for @Sovol and the dunces working there.