The speaker is uninformed. You can get this latency on an O3b satellite which is MEO (Middle Earth Orbit), but no way, you can do that on a HughesNet or Viasat GEO (Geosynchronous Earth Orbit). Even if you and the teleport were directly below the satellite, the signal still has to travel (4 x 22,000 miles) to ping a server in the teleport. Dividing 88,000 miles by the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) gives us 473 ms. That's the very best you can do, and very seldom are the client and the teleport directly under the satellite on the equator.
i lived near a big city in ar and had bad internet couldn’t use even to watch yt i moved to a tiny village in ak and now have much better internet but capped and it costs hundreds of dollars but viasat is available but we can’t put anything on are roof so bad luck i guess
@@RealGalaxyGamers as I understand it, agreements have been put in place to build what's called a "MicroGEO" satellite to be placed in orbit and deliver service to Alaska. Most GEO satellites are very large because it's so expensive to put them in orbit, that the manufacturers figure they might as well max them out. However with new electrical propulsion systems it's becoming more economical to put smaller satellites into GEO orbit. Instead of covering very large geographic regions, they provide a hotter, smaller signal to a region like Alaska where it is extremely difficult to pull fiber or install microwave towers, given the terrain. Be patient - it looks like it's coming! (However it's still GEO. It won't solve the latency problem for gaming - but it should reduce costs and increase speeds). www.bcsatellite.net/blog/microgeo-satellites-stake-out-a-claim/
It's going to be a flat panel receiver, rather than a dish. There might be something you could spray on it, like Rain-X on a windshield. Or even use an actual mechanical wiper.
@@geezer652 You put a car add on window defogger on the back side of a dish. A single fine copper wire taped to the back and powered by DC. Or buy a rear window defogger kit.
I tried downloading the bitcoin blockchain on Wildblue once. It actually *corrupted* the files once it was all said and done. It wasn't just the speed and latency that was terrible on their network..
@@shanktheglobe954 I was jokingly going to say ...Flatearther? then i looked at your RUclips page.Your world can be whatever shape you like but mine remains round until i know of proof otherwise.
@@MrRogermash you got it backwards bro, flat earth is the default because it's all we observe and experience. it is flat and motionless until proven otherwise. you been to space bruh?
The speaker really doesn't know much about satellite technology, and I addressed some of the issues in the comments here (I'm in the industry). We keep hearing about how these new mega-constellations are going to provide service to people everywhere, no matter how remote; but right now there is a big piece missing, and that's the terminal (antenna). Today, in order to use LEO satellites, you need dual tracking parabolic antennas which are very expensive. Unlike GEO satellites that sit in place above the equator, LEO satellites are screaming across the sky. One antenna will track a satellite coming in over the horizon, and as it goes over the other horizon, a second antenna will pick up the new one coming in as the first one goes out of sight, and seamlessly hand over the connection. This gear is expensive and requires a lot of maintenance. This is not a solution for Joe Consumer. FPA (flat panel antenna) terminals based on phased array technology will be used to track two or more satellites and hand off connections. This equipment is still very expensive and is limited to markets like airplanes, maritime, and it's working into bus/train markets. It still has quite a ways to go before it's a Joe Consumer solution. The first services, therefore, will probably be to large companies wanting low latency connections, where fractions of seconds equate to millions of dollars in financial trading markets, for example. They will go to MNOs (mobile network operators) who will use them as large backhaul circuits and connect users locally with cell towers, and to WISPs (Wireless ISPs) who will do the same thing. In my view, we have a ways to go before these new services are available to the consumer market, because of the cost of the terminals. However, it's a fast moving industry, and perhaps there are FPAs in development that we haven't heard about yet. What really seems to be going on here, is a challenge to terrestrial fiber networks. These large networks in the sky will be faster - light travels faster in a vacuum than in fiber cables - and they will be intelligently switched so you can get your traffic between any two places on the globe very quickly - faster than fiber. I see the consumer market as part of the marketing campaign, but I think it's really an afterthought, since I think big companies are going to buy into these new superfast, intelligent switching networks, and consumers will have to wait for terminal costs to come down.
keep in mind spacex with starlink is in the process of designing and building there own phased array antenna for starlink and has said cost will be around 300 so hardly very expensive if they can pull it off. That said the speaker on this does not know jack about whats coming and failed to do any research if they think dish's are what people will be using.
Telesat said their LOE constellation latency will be 20ms. That’s huge for MNO backhaul hard to reach areas because 20ms works for voice. The crazy thing for me is these birds are all moving, and they work with planes/ships that are also moving - the algorithms for this seems pretty cool
As long as a dish is involved I have no intention of using any kind of satellite internet or tv because I have no interest in having those unsightly things drilled into my roof. I think a better solution to curb costs would be for the isp to build local hub stations where signals are transmitted to and received from the satellites. Any costs are reduced as the antennas service multiple customers. Then signal goes to customers on underground fiber connections. As for an antenna/dish on my roof. Let me know when they can make my roof the antenna and I might be interested. Question though, why not just have an antenna that transmits to/receives from the entire sky? So any network satellite in the sky receives the signal, rather than having to follow specific satellites. Why does it need to be pointed directly at the satellite? I know inverse square law and all that but if it's only travelling to LEO is it really that big a deal?
@@PlutozReal starlink does not use a dish it uses a square box about the size of a medium pizza box you dont point it at a satelite as it's a phased array it locks onto any sets that cross its path
@@trevordavies2863 correct. In fact, they most likely will incorporate such an antenna into the roof of the Tesla semi. Phased array antennas can beam form a virtual dish pointed in any direction fast enough to service multiple endpoints simultaneously. (A MUX if you will.) Aircraft use them for radar to do 1000s of sweeps per second. Otherwise they would never be able to track incoming missiles. As the tech becomes more refined, I expect them to put these antennas in the hoods of cars. That way you can have a wireless hotspot from your Tesla all day long. I would welcome a new data/phone provider. They're cornering the markets now. Competition is good!
I grew up in rural area with only GPRS coverage and awful dial up that gives 33.6kbps, shuts down all other neighbours phones , takes 1hr to open a page and charges by 30 min, Mobile gprs data was literaly 1000 more expensive than a Sattelite but had a speed of the turtle and ping that was giving my dad enough time to have a cigarette. I can say the speed of a sattelite network is still decent, its the long ping (especially for dual way systems), high price and dependence from weather that make it an Autonomic source rather than constant and stable source. It's more for people who need an interned for basic needs, emails, school or work than for leasure.
I used to live in a rural area my internet IPS options we're very limited, we had "hues satellite internet", radio tower internet, & 4G cellphone internet, having used them- they are all horrible options with very small datacaps only 20-50gb per month which is NOT usable!
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
No need by the end of this year space x starlink will be available to us and canada first the Antena locks to the sat itself no need for someone to install it
@@yosmig24 sure. if you're on windows 10. just google how to bridge network connections. its really easy. you have to have 2 different like. 1 has to be wifi and the other usb. or it can be Ethernet and usb
This would have been music to my ears a couple years ago. I live in very rural west tn and have dealt with viasat internet since I moved here 10yrs ago. paying over $130/month for 50gb of data before being throttled. but yesterday my electric co-op put the box on my house and in 2 weeks I will have fiber optic through them at $50/month for unlimited data and 1gbs of speed where this am I am at 2.2mbps
@@jameshowlett4438 true.. Thankfully our rural electric co-op is doing that for all its members and as of December 2nd I now have fiber internet at 1000mbps and no data limits..
PUD for my county will be running fiber optic cables in the rural parts of my county starting in May. I am stuck with hughesnet until they get it set up. Hopefully sometime in 2020 I will have descent internet, and be able to play games online again. Updates really suck when you have data limits too.
@@tweech2000000 hell i dont think they're even trying to improve where i am at.. and the places around me with land line have slower speeds than my satelite. just a bit lower ping.
Rather than that countries should stop using money on military funds. Us uses 2billiion usd every year! Imagine if the spent all that money on space exploration and intrenets.
Sounds great, but I bet "clouds" still cause problems?(he didn't say) Had that with early Hughes, kind of hard to check radar for tornado warning when you can't get signal.
Excellent! I just know how far we've come since 1990. Exponential increase of tech advance: I really have no complaint. Even when I had to wait 20 minutes for a download, after all was said and done, I said to myself: it was worth it.
Not much, since we place satellites at different altitudes, they are very small for the most part, and the Earth is huge, but orbit is much larger. All in all, we can easily see that 45k satellites parked in an area multitudes larger than the Earth (since the areas surrounds the entire earth and both the circumference and the diameter of the Earth is very small compared to the space within low-to-mid orbit) would be less of an impact around the Earth than ten fleas would be to a horse. The reasons that nothing real bad could go wrong is because we put satellites in certain areas, we track all of them, and usually they mostly burn up on reentry. The chances of them hitting something would be so slim, that winning the lottery would have better odds, especially since any space mission planners already know where they are and how to not hit them with a rocket or spaceship. These satellites would be in geosynchronous orbit, also. This means that they are a very long ways away from Earth to get them further from the gravitational pull. A little critical thinking and you will realize that the Moon orbits the Earth, so, orbit is further than the Moon away depending on speed and mass. It also means that as long as a normal satellite doesn't get far enough to get affected by the Moon's gravitational pull, it could most likely be able to hang stationary in Earth's orbit.
@@mechinizer6911 there is a lot of activity going on now to investigate how to clean up space debris. Yes, the odds of collision are pretty low, which is a good thing, but it happens. We first became aware of how real a problem it could be in 2009 when a US spacecraft accidentally collided with a Russian craft, creating a sort of debris belt and increasing the amount of large debris in LEO by about 70%. There are 250,000 pieces of debris that we can see and track and millions of pieces smaller than that, which we can't see and track. New Radar from LeoLabs is intended to let us see smaller pieces. The ISS has been hit by debris before. It happens. New satellites are being designed with the ability to de-orbit, so they reduce their orbit and burn up in the atmosphere, but there's a bunch of stuff up there (out of 5000 satellites up there, only 2000 are active), that was sent up with no thought of space debris. This past May a new, huge Boeing satellite IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and is now inoperable. (Thank goodness, I didn't sell any services on it!). On September 18, 2019 the Bigelow Aerospace’s Genesis II experimental habitat, and the Russia Cosmos 1300 satellite had a near miss. No evasive maneuvers were taken - both spacecraft are defunct and inoperable, just part of the ever-growing field of orbital debris… Had they struck each other, they would have created a huge debris field. The India space war test, in which they blew up one of their satellites, also contributed to the problem, and the world's governments need to come together and agree not to do that crazy crap any more - or face extreme sanctions. As I understand it, the science confirms that the potential is there (Kessler Syndrome) to render space unusable for generations. It would set us back at least 50 years. The new satellites that the video is describing are LEO satellites so they are only a few hundred miles up. GEO satellites are now pushed up into a graveyard orbit with the last of their fuel, but there are still a bunch of dead ones up there floating around, slightly influenced by gravitational pulls from sun, moon and earth. The region in which GEO satellites sit still in geostationary orbit (GSO) is above the equator 22,200 miles up. The satellites in this video will be much lower and whizzing by at 17,400 mph more or less. This is a very doable project. Indeed it is a lot of space, but there's also a lot of junk, so there is risk associated with it, and someone is going to have to pay to clean it up as we develop the technology to do so. It's being actively developed and tested now. Next year, for example, the Astroscale ELSA-d project will practice finding, matching orbits, locking on and retrieving space debris and then hauling it down to burn up.
@@mechinizer6911 thanks appreciate your insight as you sound like you might be in the industry. I'm sure this looks great and feasible on a design board. Seems it'd be too risky to me in real world. Let's say there are 3,000 satellites (that we'll admit to) in orbit today. Those new 45k satellites are going to require maintenance, generate their own space junk, need (fallible) humans to monitor & direct them. For one possible contrary reason, let's suppose further that those 3k satellites are by proxy, responsible for, even conservatively, 20% of the 500k pieces of today's "space junk". Proportionally, we would now be putting up another 1.5M pieces of space junk, with associated risk. So I see your 10 fleas (satellites), and raise you 33 more fleas (pieces of space junk to a satellite) for 330 fleas in total. I think the horse might notice. :-) Tied to Pat's comment above, I'd be in favor of "cleaning our closets, before we contract for an addition on the house".
@1:45 Latency will cause a delay of signal transmission, but why there will be a mismatch between audio and the corresponding video? Is it not that both audio and video will be delayed by almost a similar amount?
As has been noted in the comments, I erred in saying that users would be using a dish to receive the signal -- it would actually be an antenna. Even better! Thanks for the correction!
Questions: a. The Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, projected to be at it's weakest around 2035. The Earth's magnetic poles continue to move, most probably on their way to another magnetic field flip. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, looks like it will this time. A weaker magnetic field would allow more harmful cosmic radiation energy to reach the surface of this Earth, and us. But putting our potential extinction aside for the moment, satellites operate off of very small volts and amps. The extra cosmic radiation energy might cause some of these satellites to either outright fail or at least prematurely fail. And then of course whatever does not burn up in the atmosphere will crash here on Earth somewhere. But, what is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites? b. The Van Allen Belts around this Earth trap protons and electrons. As the Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, so too would the Van Allen Belts. The sub-atomic particles would be getting pulled toward the Earth due to Earth's gravity along with any solar or cosmic radiation pushing them from behind toward the Earth. Currently, the Van Allen Belts are thickest around the equator and taper off towards the poles. But, as the magnetic poles move, so too does the Van Allen Belt's trapped area. At some point in time, the Earth, (and us) might get bombarded with sub-atomic particles, more so in some areas on the Earth, less so in other areas, and it might just be a crap shoot as to actually where. But, what if the satellites get affected by the bombardment of those sub-atomic particles? What is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
@@technosaurus3805 useful communication is not possible through quantum entanglement. Communication is still limited to the speed of light. It's not a real easy read, but Sean Carroll's "Something Deeply Hidden" will explain this in more detail than I can.
Dude you're full of shit. How will they justify setting up internet in space when every launch costs a few hundred million and internet service providers don't make remotely anything close to that to cover their investment? You're either gullible af or you're dumb as dog shit which is it
Here in Merica, it's not uncommon to be paying ~$70/mo for less than 100 Mb "Cable" internet and even when you live in the same Town as the provider's Hub you still likely get no better than ~100 MS Latency. This after it went public a few years ago that the Internet division for Media Companies is as high as 97% Profit. Well no wonder, because our speeds are garbage for a developed Nation.
Is latency a continual problem, as in slow speed throughout internet use, or is it occurring only when a person starts and stops then starts and stops sending and receiving?
@@codypolar6593 latency a lot of times it doesn't have anything to do with your WI-Fi speed you can have 0.90Mbps and get like 30 ping but there's a lot of packet loss and stuff like some internet companies will provide 200mbps but you will still get like 60 ping the reason why some internet providers like HughesNet get 600 ping and then some other satellite providers you can get like 60 ping it's cuz HughesNet and Visat or whatever it's called satellites are in space 60 times higher than starlink as a lot of smaller satellite internet providers just have a tower that's only a few miles from your house as I have satellite internet but we have a tower that's only about 3 mi away or four
I pay $129.00 a month for Viasat. 3mbps .0.25 And 179.00 a month for HughesNet not any better. 21 devices in a home, and there is nothing great about satellite
Hughesnet is the worst I can never watch what I want to. Takes forever for anything to load if it loads at all. And it's contract. You are automatically locked in for 2 years. They charge you out the butt if you try to cancel what a joke for a company!!!
I have an unlimited data hotspot thats mobile and that works anywhere a cell phone works. Until satnet does that I'll be using this. Once the satnet is mobile and less expensive can't see changing.
people say hughesnet is crap.;. i do respectfully agree and disagree... i've had some good luck, i got 4.5mbps on the throttled speeds but my lowest ping on record was 350MS!! out of 600ms... i also reached 50mbps on unthrottled speeds, plus i was able to game on hypixel a little bit with a few minor problems.
Who cares it sucks it's expensive it lags and I'm sick and tired of buffering during the best parts of watching porn it's like you got to stop in mid stroke and wait for it to start
I live in Florida and had Direct TV. The slightest rainstorm caused an outage. I would not be interested in this system unless the were able to fix this problem.
@ Reviews.org Viasat is amazing! With constant bufferings, a almost never even being able to handle RUclips videos on that nice crisp 144p setting, I would recommend Viasat to anyone who are looking for a very reliable internet provider :) :Pin this comment or Viasat will sue you:
I've been fighting with ViaSat for 19 months now. They keep claiming that my 80 bucks a month buys 12 to 25 mbps download speed, when in reality, on a good day, its only 650kbps! Even ytube lags and buffers. The only one worse, and more expensive, then ViaSat out here, is HugesNet! Wish there was a way to find out if there was a broadband 4g LTE out here that I could use instead. I'd drop both of these losers, contract or no contract! SMDH
For home packages, the speed is not a guarantee, it is a goal. Check your TOS for the word guarantee. Comcast does the same. If you want guaranteed speed get a business package.
satellites don't exist, its cell phone/microwave technology. I've seen many "satellite" dishs on peoples homes pointing almost at the horizon towards hills, and trees. There are ZERO pictures of satellites in space....
a 18 inch satellite dish will not track the signal of a Low Earth Orbit Satellite. Usually a fixed dish also has problems with trees and buildings. Other problems will be similar to Satellite radio picking up signal from Geo Satellites!
it won't be a dish and it will track the satellites and pick the best one and hand off to the next as they speed past, same way your wifi works fine with many other wifi signals around...
As a unfortunate satellite internet user that is my only option at this point in time my recommendation is if you have access to better internet cable, fiber optic, do it and never even think about going to satellite internet it's just as bad as dial up.... even with absolutely perfect conditions perfect weather got plenty of data and you are perfectly synced with the satellite the lag is absolutely horrible !!!!!! 🤦♂️🤢🤮 Most video games you CAN NOT PLAY PVP unless you have a friend that has better internet with you to piggyback off of and the game's that you can play you get reported as a cheater with a lag switch....
you are comparing two different technologies and strategies..... did you not watch the video? in many cases for gaming satellite actually might be even better ping vise unless you live close to the game server and have perfect routing
@@emko333 I'm taking from experience here my ping right now is 0.900 vs my friends cable internet ping Wich is 0.250 - 0.150 and in the video he even said at best my internet ping would go down to 0.500 Wich is still not even close to cable and forget about trying it against fiber optic exactly how is that better ??? Ya it's better then what I got now but still doesn't hold a candle to other internet options.
@@dragoneye6642 sorry what? why would your ping go down?... you are not going to be using the same satellite or service so it will be a different ping... and no it won't be 500ms and who measures network latency in seconds, its very easy to calculate what the theoretically latency could be LEO 550 km vs GEO where its at like what 23,000 Km? just do that math and you will not be getting 500ms ping that would not be a viable business, space X is promising under 15ms thought i doubt that as it should still need to be doing some routing satellite to satellite at least i think it should so probably like 20-50ms
Unfortunately the latency from satellite communications is much longer than, 600 ms. You didn't do your homework. Radio waves travel at the speed of light. It has to make a 44,000 mile round-trip. Do the math. 186,000 mi./s divided by 44,000 miles. Do the math. It's more than 600 ms. So you're not going to be playing any fast action games with satellite Internet. Ain't going to happen. You can't speed up, physics. You can't go faster than light. So satellite Internet will be just fine for watching television with. It'll be just fine for your email. It will still work with Skype. Just not exactly in real time. It'll have about three seconds worth of latency. As in, 3. Not milliseconds but full seconds. Do the math. So you will get your data quickly. Albeit with a 3 second latency. So, you won't be playing any stupid games. Sorry. You might have to do something more productive like learning something. Heaven forbid you should become more intelligent. You need to play your immature infantile games. What's the matter with that picture? You're an idiot. You're worried about computer games. And we all know how important it is to be playing games like a child. As an immature child or immature adult. So nobody needs to worry about playing high-speed shoot them up, computer games on the Internet via satellite. You're going to lose. Ain't nothing you can do about going faster than light.. Even though it exists in your mind and science fiction movies. It doesn't really exist. And you have to wait for radio communications in space to go at the slow speed of lights. I know you think it should be faster. So you can play your computer game on the Internet via satellite. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You have to observe the physical laws of the universe and you can't go any faster than 186,000 mi./s. I know you think it should be faster because you saw that in a science fiction movie. But that was only science fiction. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to slower than light speed. I know you paid a lot of money for your gaming computer. But it won't go faster than light. And satellite communications are really slow. It's faster if you stay on this planet. So, don't leave. RemyRAD
Right now with fios and the new 5th gen cell signals satellite is going to be way slower than either of these.. Yes not everywhere has fios.. yet, However they do have cell service mostly.. and with the new 5g at speeds of 100-250mb + at most satellite DIRECT connected meaning you have a dish on your house.. gives you roughly 30 mbs.. and has a data cap. now if they are going to do a CENTRAL location in every city and do MESH antenna's they can do faster speeds because your using antennas across the land.. to the central hub.. and that hub does the communication.. so Less connections to the satellite means faster connection to and from. Then it comes down to how fast that satellite can transmit back and forth to get the info you want. However this is NOT how spacex is talking... they are talking dishes on roofs about the size of a pizza box.. that can move and track satellite.
This guys doesn't know what he's talking about. 1st off. The cost of sending all those satellites in the sky is very expensive. Which will make the cost non competitive. 2nd if satellites were feasible then why is AT&T currently killing off Directv. It's because it's so expensive and their satellites are needing upgrade and they don't want to foot the cost to replace them. 3rd satellites will never be as fast as the wireless in your home. Just the same as your wireless in your home will never be as fast as an actual wired connection.
John, so how do at and t expect to get signal to rural communities? That's most of their market. Rural areas have bad wifi. I know I only have 1 bar for Wi-Fi and cell phone!
Even when I was on a cruise ship with 3000 other people, I purchased a wifi package and I was getting unlimited data, 150mbps throughout the entire 12 floor ship, and yes the latency was also very low
Ma ON they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t they’d make money. This also has to compete with cellular and wired broadband so it’d have to be cost competitive
I've been rocking the viasat for this last month, works okay with warframe and dead by daylight. Not great, but its certainty playable. I used to have their old dish, and that wouldn't work at all.
What ping do you get because I feel like there's no way to get less than a 300 ping when your satellites are 60 times higher than starlink and even starlink lowest satellites are like 500 km in the sky
I was using Exede (now viasat) because the only other option was expensive LTE or DSL that couldn't even hit 1mbps. After months of 600ms, and data caps that kept getting worse and worse, I am now using LTE. Thankfully some companies have ways to get LTE unlimited. I can't wait to try out the new sat networks.
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Don't forget underwater cables still carry most of the international data. I know it sounds old fashion, but I believe Google just put down more cables between the US and Europe?. Doesn't cost much once the cables are in place.
Cell phones would get their signal as they do now, via the cell provider. You won't be the only one with a dish, communications companies already use them extensively. This is for home and business use, not mobile.
@@jamesthompson3099 actually there will be a lot of mobile applications as well, but the antennas will be fastened to the roofs of cars, trains, planes, boats, etc.
Overall good explanation but the real world numbers for latency are more like 1-2-3 seconds. Keep in mind that there is more to latency than just distance above the earth, there is the slant range and the internal transit time, compression & etc.. I have spent a lifetime in Satellite Communications since the early Intelsat IV birds up until my retirement in 2006 and have kept abreast of the new generation. As I said you did well but left so much out that your numbers become false. Even with the LEO birds, some will have less and some more latency, it is not a fixed delay for any two users unless they are both on the same backbone or block bandwidth being used by the same satellite. Single, double or triple hop paths. Satellites have a fixed bandwidth limited by hardware not throttling..... Oh well its a huge discussion and good people are trying to work it out but I don't see LEO birds as the sole solution. It hasn't eliminated all the other evils they initially claimed it would and LEO has been mostly relegated to Amateur Radio and some specialized data users.
Maybe it can be affected by weather but it depends on witch bands and how much power they use to transmit the signal they’re going to be closer than satellites we have right now, and I would definitely think that it won’t be affected by satellite position because they’re going to be a constellation of satellites so you will have one always closer to transmit the signal.
"It takes an average of at least 100 milliseconds for that data to travel back and forth." Sigh... In my world, the theoretical best-case scenario for the round trip to geosynchronous orbit from the earth's surface is about 240 milliseconds. Perhaps you live on a smaller or faster-rotating planet than earth?
I have ViaSat and LOVE it. I’m routinely pulling 75-100mbs and ViaSat is extremely generous with their soft data caps I used almost 200gb last month and there were absolutely no slowdowns. The latency is there and it’s not at all cheap (15 X more than local DSL) but beats the maximum 1.5mbs of the other option of DSL. I’m paralyzed and work from home in a rural area and ViaSat is a blessing.
I was surprised that my internet was not slowed down like it use to be after I passed the cap I assumed it's due to AT&T moving more towers out near where I live.
@Robert Pearce I'm just referring to satellites that we sent up that didn't work as they should have or didn't work at all and could have been fixed so they claimed... Believe me, if it works right I'll support it 100 percent... Have a great day...
Used Hughesnet for several months - brings back memories of dialup. With small data caps, even better. Only good for rural isolated areas who don't have any internet.
There are at least 250,000 pieces of space debris in LEO (low earth orbit) that we can see with Radar, and probably millions more that are too small to be seen - and many of them are zooming around at thousands of miles per hour. The industry understands the problem and is working on ways to clean up the debris. The idea, generally, is to capture the larger pieces with various methods (nets, magnetic plates, harpoons, etc.) and drag them down to the atmosphere where they will burn up. For example, we've launched about 5000 satellites into space. 3000 of them are dead. Now we're going to launch over 50,000 new satellites in the years ahead... A lot of promise. A lot of risk. If things go wrong, space could become unusable for a couple generations or even centuries. If things go right, the fiber infrastructure on earth will essentially be replaced or significantly augmented, by an intelligent fiber-like switching network in the sky. New satellites such as Starlink, OneWeb, etc. must file plans for how they intend to de-orbit their satellites when their life is finished. At this time, there are no plans I'm aware of, for anyone to try and land defunct satellites. They would have to carry enough fuel rocket engines, guidance systems, etc. to bring them down, which would increase the cost of sending them up in the first place. The simplest and safest approach is to burn them up in the atmosphere.
@@KnightofDark00180 there are a number of companies spending a lot of research and development money to devise solutions for something you suggest is not a problem.... A company called LeoLabs develops huge Radar arrays that track debris. They are working to deploy new technology that lets them see smaller objects, and deploying this equipment in New Zealand, with plans to add more stations near the equator and poles. There are hundreds of near-proximity alerts issued every week. Most see the risk diminish as time goes by, but sometimes operators have to move their satellites out of the way. New satellites are given a cover material, (Whipple shield) that helps deal with micrometeorites, but large debris can explode them into a shower of pieces, each of which becomes a new bullet in space. The Astroscale ELSA-d project is designed to test new techniques for clearing space debris. A "Servicer" will be launched in 2020 along with a "Client" that will act as debris. The client will be released and then retrieved with a magnetic plate. It will then be released and put into a spin. Servicer will match the spin, and then latch on again. It will be released yet again, and Servicer will use its Radar to find it, match speed and spin, latch on to it, and pull it back down to the atmosphere to burn up. That's quite a project to undertake for something that isn't really an issue! Japan is developing a solution that uses an "electodynamic tether" to slow down defunct satellites so they can bring them down to the atmosphere. Other solutions include slingshotting the debris, or sending puffs of air in front of debris to slow it, (which makes it fall to a lower orbit where it will be burned up). The RemoveDEBRIS satellite released from the ISS in Sept of 2018 demonstrated the use of a net to capture a test object. The Russians are working on a scheme to clear debris from GEO orbits. Just a few months ago an almost brand new $400 million satellite, IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and rendered inoperable. The Russian solution is to launch a huge satellite that by its mass will create a gravity field that will attract defunct satellites and rocket parts. With each new object, the mass grows, hence the gravity field. Low thrust jets will move it around, and when it collects enough, it will raise the debris to a "graveyard" orbit above GEO. This is just a short list of some of the activities being tested and researched to overcome what in fact is a very significant issue. There is the remote possibility that space could be rendered unusable, which would set us back a couple generations.
Three years later. SpaceX and OneWeb have global coverage already. Jeff only has a phallic-shaped rocket and zero internet in orbit. Personally, I will stick to fiber, but SpaceX surely will fill the voids and even provide some telephone services from space.
Iss feed is firstly very secured, that makes it slower. And it travels via the iss, to a tdrs satellite in geostationary orbit, then back to houston manned spaceflight center, and from there to the nasa center that broadcasts it. Massive detour, you wouldnt have that with starlink.
ViaSat sucks and it's the "best" current provider on the market. Pay $200 per month for 700-800 MS ping... oh and did I mention some how we max our data (150gb) out in 7 days or less... I CAN NOT WAIT FOR STAR LINK! If charter would just come out to me... I would gladly pay the $200 per month I currently do to Spectrum.
Down in mexico I have phone company via satélite.voice over Lte.band 28 or 700mghz.20gb unlimited talk and text all north america . All for 200 pesos =$US 9.5! Gies what mobile company: walmart !👍
of course it will matter, think with your brain.... whats cheaper then no ISP in your area? whats cheaper then no internet on your yacht? or very bad current GEO satellite internet?
Satellite internet user here. Our ISP is based out of West Virginia, called Morgan Wireless. I play video games a lot, and the ping is between 60-100 ping, which isn't that bad! Even when my family is on Netflix or RUclips, I don't lag that much. If you live in West Virginia, consider Morgan Wireless!
Save yourself, don't do it!!! HughesNet Satellite Service was easily the worst internet experience I have ever had. Worse, it became the most costly too. If you don't mind constant buffering, satellite internet is for you. If you find you can't stand it anymore, you'll pay a $400+ penalty fee. Who does that to customers they can't deliver a good product too? This is your warning.
Who only gets 300/ms latency with satellite internet? on a good day its 600-1500
The speaker is uninformed. You can get this latency on an O3b satellite which is MEO (Middle Earth Orbit), but no way, you can do that on a HughesNet or Viasat GEO (Geosynchronous Earth Orbit). Even if you and the teleport were directly below the satellite, the signal still has to travel (4 x 22,000 miles) to ping a server in the teleport. Dividing 88,000 miles by the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) gives us 473 ms. That's the very best you can do, and very seldom are the client and the teleport directly under the satellite on the equator.
@@ptgannon1 For youtube that was an astoundingly informed comment. Are you sure you're in the right place?
Sque333
lol true
i lived near a big city in ar and had bad internet couldn’t use even to watch yt i moved to a tiny village in ak and now have much better internet but capped and it costs hundreds of dollars but viasat is available but we can’t put anything on are roof so bad luck i guess
@@RealGalaxyGamers as I understand it, agreements have been put in place to build what's called a "MicroGEO" satellite to be placed in orbit and deliver service to Alaska.
Most GEO satellites are very large because it's so expensive to put them in orbit, that the manufacturers figure they might as well max them out. However with new electrical propulsion systems it's becoming more economical to put smaller satellites into GEO orbit. Instead of covering very large geographic regions, they provide a hotter, smaller signal to a region like Alaska where it is extremely difficult to pull fiber or install microwave towers, given the terrain.
Be patient - it looks like it's coming! (However it's still GEO. It won't solve the latency problem for gaming - but it should reduce costs and increase speeds).
www.bcsatellite.net/blog/microgeo-satellites-stake-out-a-claim/
So internet will be down when it rains?
Who's going to come out and clean Snow off of the Dish??
@@geezer652 That is your job.
It's going to be a flat panel receiver, rather than a dish. There might be something you could spray on it, like Rain-X on a windshield. Or even use an actual mechanical wiper.
It's gonna work similar to WiFi, you'll be fine with some refraction
@@geezer652 You put a car add on window defogger on the back side of a dish. A single fine copper wire taped to the back and powered by DC. Or buy a rear window defogger kit.
Try 1100+ ms on hughesnet
Yowch!
Yeah, I'm waiting for my Hughsnet contract to expire.
I tried downloading the bitcoin blockchain on Wildblue once. It actually *corrupted* the files once it was all said and done. It wasn't just the speed and latency that was terrible on their network..
HughesNet sucks.
twdarcy same
Alien visitors are gonna love avoiding all that trash in the sky.
Think of it as a passive defense system
Yes, and eventually we will make the earth a prison we cannot escape from.
it's all a lie and you're gullible, search for a real photo of a satellite in space, i dare you.
@@shanktheglobe954 I was jokingly going to say ...Flatearther? then i looked at your RUclips page.Your world can be whatever shape you like but mine remains round until i know of proof otherwise.
@@MrRogermash you got it backwards bro, flat earth is the default because it's all we observe and experience. it is flat and motionless until proven otherwise. you been to space bruh?
The speaker really doesn't know much about satellite technology, and I addressed some of the issues in the comments here (I'm in the industry). We keep hearing about how these new mega-constellations are going to provide service to people everywhere, no matter how remote; but right now there is a big piece missing, and that's the terminal (antenna). Today, in order to use LEO satellites, you need dual tracking parabolic antennas which are very expensive. Unlike GEO satellites that sit in place above the equator, LEO satellites are screaming across the sky. One antenna will track a satellite coming in over the horizon, and as it goes over the other horizon, a second antenna will pick up the new one coming in as the first one goes out of sight, and seamlessly hand over the connection. This gear is expensive and requires a lot of maintenance. This is not a solution for Joe Consumer.
FPA (flat panel antenna) terminals based on phased array technology will be used to track two or more satellites and hand off connections. This equipment is still very expensive and is limited to markets like airplanes, maritime, and it's working into bus/train markets. It still has quite a ways to go before it's a Joe Consumer solution.
The first services, therefore, will probably be to large companies wanting low latency connections, where fractions of seconds equate to millions of dollars in financial trading markets, for example. They will go to MNOs (mobile network operators) who will use them as large backhaul circuits and connect users locally with cell towers, and to WISPs (Wireless ISPs) who will do the same thing. In my view, we have a ways to go before these new services are available to the consumer market, because of the cost of the terminals. However, it's a fast moving industry, and perhaps there are FPAs in development that we haven't heard about yet.
What really seems to be going on here, is a challenge to terrestrial fiber networks. These large networks in the sky will be faster - light travels faster in a vacuum than in fiber cables - and they will be intelligently switched so you can get your traffic between any two places on the globe very quickly - faster than fiber. I see the consumer market as part of the marketing campaign, but I think it's really an afterthought, since I think big companies are going to buy into these new superfast, intelligent switching networks, and consumers will have to wait for terminal costs to come down.
keep in mind spacex with starlink is in the process of designing and building there own phased array antenna for starlink and has said cost will be around 300 so hardly very expensive if they can pull it off.
That said the speaker on this does not know jack about whats coming and failed to do any research if they think dish's are what people will be using.
Telesat said their LOE constellation latency will be 20ms. That’s huge for MNO backhaul hard to reach areas because 20ms works for voice. The crazy thing for me is these birds are all moving, and they work with planes/ships that are also moving - the algorithms for this seems pretty cool
As long as a dish is involved I have no intention of using any kind of satellite internet or tv because I have no interest in having those unsightly things drilled into my roof.
I think a better solution to curb costs would be for the isp to build local hub stations where signals are transmitted to and received from the satellites. Any costs are reduced as the antennas service multiple customers. Then signal goes to customers on underground fiber connections.
As for an antenna/dish on my roof. Let me know when they can make my roof the antenna and I might be interested.
Question though, why not just have an antenna that transmits to/receives from the entire sky? So any network satellite in the sky receives the signal, rather than having to follow specific satellites. Why does it need to be pointed directly at the satellite? I know inverse square law and all that but if it's only travelling to LEO is it really that big a deal?
@@PlutozReal starlink does not use a dish it uses a square box about the size of a medium pizza box you dont point it at a satelite as it's a phased array it locks onto any sets that cross its path
@@trevordavies2863 correct. In fact, they most likely will incorporate such an antenna into the roof of the Tesla semi. Phased array antennas can beam form a virtual dish pointed in any direction fast enough to service multiple endpoints simultaneously. (A MUX if you will.) Aircraft use them for radar to do 1000s of sweeps per second. Otherwise they would never be able to track incoming missiles. As the tech becomes more refined, I expect them to put these antennas in the hoods of cars. That way you can have a wireless hotspot from your Tesla all day long. I would welcome a new data/phone provider. They're cornering the markets now. Competition is good!
Yay maybe I won't be paying $160 a month for 1mbps
I grew up in rural area with only GPRS coverage and awful dial up that gives 33.6kbps, shuts down all other neighbours phones , takes 1hr to open a page and charges by 30 min, Mobile gprs data was literaly 1000 more expensive than a Sattelite but had a speed of the turtle and ping that was giving my dad enough time to have a cigarette. I can say the speed of a sattelite network is still decent, its the long ping (especially for dual way systems), high price and dependence from weather that make it an Autonomic source rather than constant and stable source. It's more for people who need an interned for basic needs, emails, school or work than for leasure.
if you buy starlink. you can get 1GBPS for $80. imagine getting wifi one thousand times faster for half the price lmao
@@mabros26 it's work in Afghanistan I want starlink
same!
I used to live in a rural area my internet IPS options we're very limited, we had "hues satellite internet", radio tower internet, & 4G cellphone internet, having used them- they are all horrible options with very small datacaps only 20-50gb per month which is NOT usable!
Xfinity is fine don't mind paying through nose.
Playing games where .2 seconds determine life or death in a game yeah internet makes a huge difference
Don’t get fios
I wonder if I'll come back to this video in 5 years from and say ....damn, what happened? ;)
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Thats ridiculous what are the odds you would come back to this video in 5 years
@@cindydo8781 unplugging from the net for me would be like pulling the plug on life support
No need by the end of this year space x starlink will be available to us and canada first the Antena locks to the sat itself no need for someone to install it
Anyone remember Globalstar, Iridium or Orbcomm? They're all LEO satellite operators that were going to compete with ground-based.
i'll take 4g over satellite anyday. i have 2 unlimited hotspots through att and i bridged the 2 connections now im getting like 90mbps sometimes more
Corgany Lothar how do you do that? Can you please make a video explaining it?
@@yosmig24 sure. if you're on windows 10. just google how to bridge network connections. its really easy. you have to have 2 different like. 1 has to be wifi and the other usb. or it can be Ethernet and usb
This would have been music to my ears a couple years ago. I live in very rural west tn and have dealt with viasat internet since I moved here 10yrs ago. paying over $130/month for 50gb of data before being throttled. but yesterday my electric co-op put the box on my house and in 2 weeks I will have fiber optic through them at $50/month for unlimited data and 1gbs of speed where this am I am at 2.2mbps
the gov should step in and wire the entire U.S. like they did with the electrical grid years ago
@@jameshowlett4438 true.. Thankfully our rural electric co-op is doing that for all its members and as of December 2nd I now have fiber internet at 1000mbps and no data limits..
PUD for my county will be running fiber optic cables in the rural parts of my county starting in May. I am stuck with hughesnet until they get it set up. Hopefully sometime in 2020 I will have descent internet, and be able to play games online again. Updates really suck when you have data limits too.
@@jameshowlett4438 I am so jealous of you. My area still barely has Ethernet. It's gonna be 3-5 years for Fiber
@@tweech2000000 hell i dont think they're even trying to improve where i am at.. and the places around me with land line have slower speeds than my satelite. just a bit lower ping.
I feel like space expeditions and mars missions are really wasting money for no reason when they could instead make the internet way better -_-
Right?
Deathwarrior agree
Checkout mark robers video on space exploration
Rather than that countries should stop using money on military funds.
Us uses 2billiion usd every year!
Imagine if the spent all that money on space exploration and intrenets.
yeah. elon delivers his fantasies on time and the 1st version works as promised. uh huh.
Careful you don't get copyright striked by Darth Disney's Death Star legal team!
On top of that Satellite internet will have to significantly lower the price and eliminate Data Caps (or MASSIVELY increase the limit at least)
It reduce latency between continents (faster than fiber). It will greatly improve global commerce.
Sounds great, but I bet "clouds" still cause problems?(he didn't say) Had that with early Hughes, kind of hard to check radar for tornado warning when you can't get signal.
Excellent! I just know how far we've come since 1990. Exponential increase of tech advance: I really have no complaint. Even when I had to wait 20 minutes for a download, after all was said and done, I said to myself: it was worth it.
45k more satellites in lower/tighter orbit, what could possibly go wrong....
Good question. There's a lot of work on research to remove space debris right now.
Not much, since we place satellites at different altitudes, they are very small for the most part, and the Earth is huge, but orbit is much larger. All in all, we can easily see that 45k satellites parked in an area multitudes larger than the Earth (since the areas surrounds the entire earth and both the circumference and the diameter of the Earth is very small compared to the space within low-to-mid orbit) would be less of an impact around the Earth than ten fleas would be to a horse.
The reasons that nothing real bad could go wrong is because we put satellites in certain areas, we track all of them, and usually they mostly burn up on reentry. The chances of them hitting something would be so slim, that winning the lottery would have better odds, especially since any space mission planners already know where they are and how to not hit them with a rocket or spaceship. These satellites would be in geosynchronous orbit, also. This means that they are a very long ways away from Earth to get them further from the gravitational pull.
A little critical thinking and you will realize that the Moon orbits the Earth, so, orbit is further than the Moon away depending on speed and mass. It also means that as long as a normal satellite doesn't get far enough to get affected by the Moon's gravitational pull, it could most likely be able to hang stationary in Earth's orbit.
@@mechinizer6911 there is a lot of activity going on now to investigate how to clean up space debris. Yes, the odds of collision are pretty low, which is a good thing, but it happens. We first became aware of how real a problem it could be in 2009 when a US spacecraft accidentally collided with a Russian craft, creating a sort of debris belt and increasing the amount of large debris in LEO by about 70%. There are 250,000 pieces of debris that we can see and track and millions of pieces smaller than that, which we can't see and track. New Radar from LeoLabs is intended to let us see smaller pieces. The ISS has been hit by debris before. It happens.
New satellites are being designed with the ability to de-orbit, so they reduce their orbit and burn up in the atmosphere, but there's a bunch of stuff up there (out of 5000 satellites up there, only 2000 are active), that was sent up with no thought of space debris. This past May a new, huge Boeing satellite IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and is now inoperable. (Thank goodness, I didn't sell any services on it!). On September 18, 2019 the Bigelow Aerospace’s Genesis II experimental habitat, and the Russia Cosmos 1300 satellite had a near miss. No evasive maneuvers were taken - both spacecraft are defunct and inoperable, just part of the ever-growing field of orbital debris… Had they struck each other, they would have created a huge debris field. The India space war test, in which they blew up one of their satellites, also contributed to the problem, and the world's governments need to come together and agree not to do that crazy crap any more - or face extreme sanctions. As I understand it, the science confirms that the potential is there (Kessler Syndrome) to render space unusable for generations. It would set us back at least 50 years.
The new satellites that the video is describing are LEO satellites so they are only a few hundred miles up. GEO satellites are now pushed up into a graveyard orbit with the last of their fuel, but there are still a bunch of dead ones up there floating around, slightly influenced by gravitational pulls from sun, moon and earth.
The region in which GEO satellites sit still in geostationary orbit (GSO) is above the equator 22,200 miles up. The satellites in this video will be much lower and whizzing by at 17,400 mph more or less.
This is a very doable project. Indeed it is a lot of space, but there's also a lot of junk, so there is risk associated with it, and someone is going to have to pay to clean it up as we develop the technology to do so. It's being actively developed and tested now. Next year, for example, the Astroscale ELSA-d project will practice finding, matching orbits, locking on and retrieving space debris and then hauling it down to burn up.
@@mechinizer6911 thanks appreciate your insight as you sound like you might be in the industry. I'm sure this looks great and feasible on a design board. Seems it'd be too risky to me in real world. Let's say there are 3,000 satellites (that we'll admit to) in orbit today. Those new 45k satellites are going to require maintenance, generate their own space junk, need (fallible) humans to monitor & direct them. For one possible contrary reason, let's suppose further that those 3k satellites are by proxy, responsible for, even conservatively, 20% of the 500k pieces of today's "space junk". Proportionally, we would now be putting up another 1.5M pieces of space junk, with associated risk. So I see your 10 fleas (satellites), and raise you 33 more fleas (pieces of space junk to a satellite) for 330 fleas in total. I think the horse might notice. :-) Tied to Pat's comment above, I'd be in favor of "cleaning our closets, before we contract for an addition on the house".
My first thoughts?
@1:45 Latency will cause a delay of signal transmission, but why there will be a mismatch between audio and the corresponding video? Is it not that both audio and video will be delayed by almost a similar amount?
As has been noted in the comments, I erred in saying that users would be using a dish to receive the signal -- it would actually be an antenna. Even better! Thanks for the correction!
A dish is an antenna.... 🤫
Questions:
a. The Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, projected to be at it's weakest around 2035. The Earth's magnetic poles continue to move, most probably on their way to another magnetic field flip. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, looks like it will this time.
A weaker magnetic field would allow more harmful cosmic radiation energy to reach the surface of this Earth, and us. But putting our potential extinction aside for the moment, satellites operate off of very small volts and amps. The extra cosmic radiation energy might cause some of these satellites to either outright fail or at least prematurely fail. And then of course whatever does not burn up in the atmosphere will crash here on Earth somewhere.
But, what is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
b. The Van Allen Belts around this Earth trap protons and electrons. As the Earth's magnetic field continues to weaken, so too would the Van Allen Belts. The sub-atomic particles would be getting pulled toward the Earth due to Earth's gravity along with any solar or cosmic radiation pushing them from behind toward the Earth. Currently, the Van Allen Belts are thickest around the equator and taper off towards the poles. But, as the magnetic poles move, so too does the Van Allen Belt's trapped area. At some point in time, the Earth, (and us) might get bombarded with sub-atomic particles, more so in some areas on the Earth, less so in other areas, and it might just be a crap shoot as to actually where.
But, what if the satellites get affected by the bombardment of those sub-atomic particles? What is society going to do probably when, not if, we lose satellites?
Still waiting for quantum entanglement communication, even 3ms is still too much and antennas are a PITA.
@@technosaurus3805 useful communication is not possible through quantum entanglement. Communication is still limited to the speed of light. It's not a real easy read, but Sean Carroll's "Something Deeply Hidden" will explain this in more detail than I can.
Dude you're full of shit.
How will they justify setting up internet in space when every launch costs a few hundred million and internet service providers don't make remotely anything close to that to cover their investment?
You're either gullible af or you're dumb as dog shit which is it
Here in Merica, it's not uncommon to be paying ~$70/mo for less than 100 Mb "Cable" internet and even when you live in the same Town as the provider's Hub you still likely get no better than ~100 MS Latency. This after it went public a few years ago that the Internet division for Media Companies is as high as 97% Profit. Well no wonder, because our speeds are garbage for a developed Nation.
During the latency demonstrations, it would have been helpful had you clapped your hands on camera.
Is latency a continual problem, as in slow speed throughout internet use, or is it occurring only when a person starts and stops then starts and stops sending and receiving?
@@codypolar6593 latency a lot of times it doesn't have anything to do with your WI-Fi speed you can have 0.90Mbps and get like 30 ping but there's a lot of packet loss and stuff like some internet companies will provide 200mbps but you will still get like 60 ping the reason why some internet providers like HughesNet get 600 ping and then some other satellite providers you can get like 60 ping it's cuz HughesNet and Visat or whatever it's called satellites are in space 60 times higher than starlink as a lot of smaller satellite internet providers just have a tower that's only a few miles from your house as I have satellite internet but we have a tower that's only about 3 mi away or four
I pay $129.00 a month for Viasat. 3mbps .0.25
And 179.00 a month for HughesNet not any better. 21 devices in a home, and there is nothing great about satellite
Wow. This popped up on my utube feed after telling someone on my voice call that sat internet sucks. Hahaha.
Yes sat internet Sucks!
Scarry huh? I have stuff pop up after conversations at the dinner table.
Yes they lissen
That should scare the shit out of you
@ probably gonna be some kind of projectors built in them huh lmao.
Hughesnet is the worst I can never watch what I want to. Takes forever for anything to load if it loads at all. And it's contract. You are automatically locked in for 2 years. They charge you out the butt if you try to cancel what a joke for a company!!!
Thanks for the heads up. I'm happy to see that SpaceX is into more than going to Mars.
...Get the price down to $29.95 and the world is at your feet ..as it is ...Nop!! ...Way to high ...I'll Pass.
When are Tesla’s going to have the receivers built into the roof?
Burn
How about those who live in the thunder storm capitol of the US (Georgia), rain clouds screw up my sat tv all the time.
I have an unlimited data hotspot thats mobile and that works anywhere a cell phone works. Until satnet does that I'll be using this. Once the satnet is mobile and less expensive can't see changing.
Greetings from the middle of the New Mexico desert. My first thought is to wonder how many cell towers could be put up for the cost of one satellite.
This will benefit rural areas much more than cities. Cities are already pretty well covered. Rural is way behind.
people say hughesnet is crap.;. i do respectfully agree and disagree... i've had some good luck, i got 4.5mbps on the throttled speeds but my lowest ping on record was 350MS!! out of 600ms... i also reached 50mbps on unthrottled speeds, plus i was able to game on hypixel a little bit with a few minor problems.
Huges Net is real expensive.
Who cares it sucks it's expensive it lags and I'm sick and tired of buffering during the best parts of watching porn it's like you got to stop in mid stroke and wait for it to start
I live in Florida and had Direct TV. The slightest rainstorm caused an outage. I would not be interested in this system unless the were able to fix this problem.
Sometimes just an electric storm, with no rain messes up directv, it sucks.
Fix it lol 😂 they can't turn off the rain
Wesley Clarke true
@ Reviews.org Viasat is amazing! With constant bufferings, a almost never even being able to handle RUclips videos on that nice crisp 144p setting, I would recommend Viasat to anyone who are looking for a very reliable internet provider :)
:Pin this comment or Viasat will sue you:
I saw "Escape from LA". Snake activates the 666-worldcode and ends modern internet.
I've been fighting with ViaSat for 19 months now. They keep claiming that my 80 bucks a month buys 12 to 25 mbps download speed, when in reality, on a good day, its only 650kbps! Even ytube lags and buffers. The only one worse, and more expensive, then ViaSat out here, is HugesNet!
Wish there was a way to find out if there was a broadband 4g LTE out here that I could use instead. I'd drop both of these losers, contract or no contract! SMDH
For home packages, the speed is not a guarantee, it is a goal. Check your TOS for the word guarantee. Comcast does the same. If you want guaranteed speed get a business package.
@@crawfish069 Yeah, but for 80 bucks a month you'd think they could squeeze out at least 6 or 7 mbps.
The flat earthers are going to freak out when they hear this.
They already have their stupid logic in place for the existing satellites.
Let them continue to pay Comcast then for their garbage service. I'll stick with science and convenience thanks
@Damnit Bobby did you seriously like your own comment? Seems just a little odd all of your comments have exactly one like.
satellites don't exist, its cell phone/microwave technology. I've seen many "satellite" dishs on peoples homes pointing almost at the horizon towards hills, and trees. There are ZERO pictures of satellites in space....
K K well, in all likelihood... the MM is posting to get reaction comments... good job fulfilling the dream.
a 18 inch satellite dish will not track the signal of a Low Earth Orbit Satellite. Usually a fixed dish also has problems with trees and buildings. Other problems will be similar to Satellite radio picking up signal from Geo Satellites!
it won't be a dish and it will track the satellites and pick the best one and hand off to the next as they speed past, same way your wifi works fine with many other wifi signals around...
It's going to be a phased array. Info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array
lmao "the middle of the new mexico desert" 6:15 that's where i am
Time to take down the xfinity thiefs. Please hurry.
As a unfortunate satellite internet user that is my only option at this point in time my recommendation is if you have access to better internet cable, fiber optic, do it and never even think about going to satellite internet it's just as bad as dial up.... even with absolutely perfect conditions perfect weather got plenty of data and you are perfectly synced with the satellite the lag is absolutely horrible !!!!!! 🤦♂️🤢🤮 Most video games you CAN NOT PLAY PVP unless you have a friend that has better internet with you to piggyback off of and the game's that you can play you get reported as a cheater with a lag switch....
you are comparing two different technologies and strategies..... did you not watch the video? in many cases for gaming satellite actually might be even better ping vise unless you live close to the game server and have perfect routing
@@emko333 I'm taking from experience here my ping right now is 0.900 vs my friends cable internet ping Wich is 0.250 - 0.150 and in the video he even said at best my internet ping would go down to 0.500 Wich is still not even close to cable and forget about trying it against fiber optic exactly how is that better ??? Ya it's better then what I got now but still doesn't hold a candle to other internet options.
@@dragoneye6642 sorry what? why would your ping go down?... you are not going to be using the same satellite or service so it will be a different ping... and no it won't be 500ms and who measures network latency in seconds, its very easy to calculate what the theoretically latency could be LEO 550 km vs GEO where its at like what 23,000 Km? just do that math and you will not be getting 500ms ping that would not be a viable business, space X is promising under 15ms thought i doubt that as it should still need to be doing some routing satellite to satellite at least i think it should so probably like 20-50ms
Unfortunately the latency from satellite communications is much longer than, 600 ms. You didn't do your homework. Radio waves travel at the speed of light. It has to make a 44,000 mile round-trip. Do the math. 186,000 mi./s divided by 44,000 miles. Do the math. It's more than 600 ms.
So you're not going to be playing any fast action games with satellite Internet. Ain't going to happen. You can't speed up, physics. You can't go faster than light.
So satellite Internet will be just fine for watching television with. It'll be just fine for your email. It will still work with Skype. Just not exactly in real time. It'll have about three seconds worth of latency. As in, 3. Not milliseconds but full seconds. Do the math.
So you will get your data quickly. Albeit with a 3 second latency. So, you won't be playing any stupid games. Sorry. You might have to do something more productive like learning something. Heaven forbid you should become more intelligent. You need to play your immature infantile games. What's the matter with that picture? You're an idiot. You're worried about computer games. And we all know how important it is to be playing games like a child. As an immature child or immature adult.
So nobody needs to worry about playing high-speed shoot them up, computer games on the Internet via satellite. You're going to lose. Ain't nothing you can do about going faster than light.. Even though it exists in your mind and science fiction movies. It doesn't really exist. And you have to wait for radio communications in space to go at the slow speed of lights. I know you think it should be faster. So you can play your computer game on the Internet via satellite. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You have to observe the physical laws of the universe and you can't go any faster than 186,000 mi./s. I know you think it should be faster because you saw that in a science fiction movie. But that was only science fiction. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to slower than light speed. I know you paid a lot of money for your gaming computer. But it won't go faster than light. And satellite communications are really slow. It's faster if you stay on this planet. So, don't leave.
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More NSA covered areas...
Right now with fios and the new 5th gen cell signals satellite is going to be way slower than either of these.. Yes not everywhere has fios.. yet, However they do have cell service mostly.. and with the new 5g at speeds of 100-250mb + at most satellite DIRECT connected meaning you have a dish on your house.. gives you roughly 30 mbs.. and has a data cap. now if they are going to do a CENTRAL location in every city and do MESH antenna's they can do faster speeds because your using antennas across the land.. to the central hub.. and that hub does the communication.. so Less connections to the satellite means faster connection to and from. Then it comes down to how fast that satellite can transmit back and forth to get the info you want. However this is NOT how spacex is talking... they are talking dishes on roofs about the size of a pizza box.. that can move and track satellite.
I truly hope this satellite bullshit goes obsolete once and for all.
I live in rural Arizona and just canceled via stat, slow and expensive
I can't wait for this
Seen any skin walkers?
2 years later and it still hasn't gotten "awesome"
What about the cost ? It’s already over priced for the service that we get.
This guys doesn't know what he's talking about. 1st off. The cost of sending all those satellites in the sky is very expensive. Which will make the cost non competitive. 2nd if satellites were feasible then why is AT&T currently killing off Directv. It's because it's so expensive and their satellites are needing upgrade and they don't want to foot the cost to replace them. 3rd satellites will never be as fast as the wireless in your home. Just the same as your wireless in your home will never be as fast as an actual wired connection.
John, so how do at and t expect to get signal to rural communities? That's most of their market. Rural areas have bad wifi. I know I only have 1 bar for Wi-Fi and cell phone!
Does this allow people on a boat in the middle of the Ocean to have affordable internet?
yup
Soon, yes. You'll be able to stream the latest VR games from the middle of the ocean
Hurray, if I get stranded on an island, I'll at least have decent wifi to see my waifu!
Even when I was on a cruise ship with 3000 other people, I purchased a wifi package and I was getting unlimited data, 150mbps throughout the entire 12 floor ship, and yes the latency was also very low
I'm giving serious thought to living on a sail boat. This would give working "remotely" a whole new meaning.
Whelp, there goes astronomy..
Unless they plan on offering it for a bettet price, they're gonna lose their a$$!
Ma ON they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t they’d make money. This also has to compete with cellular and wired broadband so it’d have to be cost competitive
well if there is competition and they are aiming for mass production , the should be acceptable
at least for people with a high enough currency
i hear starlink is going to start at about 80$ a month and i think that is a gigabit link
Thank you so much, this helped me a lot with my coursework
Next step - Latency via quantum entanglement
What about 5G internet? 🙄
I've been rocking the viasat for this last month, works okay with warframe and dead by daylight. Not great, but its certainty playable. I used to have their old dish, and that wouldn't work at all.
What ping do you get because I feel like there's no way to get less than a 300 ping when your satellites are 60 times higher than starlink and even starlink lowest satellites are like 500 km in the sky
I was using Exede (now viasat) because the only other option was expensive LTE or DSL that couldn't even hit 1mbps.
After months of 600ms, and data caps that kept getting worse and worse, I am now using LTE. Thankfully some companies have ways to get LTE unlimited.
I can't wait to try out the new sat networks.
Can’t wait to ditch Comcast, cable and internet keep going up, channel lineup goes down.
Sad how people will put their health and well-being on the line just for the sake convenience and entertainment. Not to mention their freedom. Unplug people and live!
Don't forget underwater cables still carry most of the international data. I know it sounds old fashion, but I believe Google just put down more cables between the US and Europe?. Doesn't cost much once the cables are in place.
2:50 Gets my hopes up. "More satellites!"
3:01 Makes me a sad rural Alaskan, with still shitty internet. Thanks.
You can get space x starlink soon
This never happened after 3 years smh
I’ll believe this when I see it. Maybe ten years from now.
you can see these satellites in the sky right now with your eyes, findstarlink.com/
Theres already 240 starlinks in orbit, 120 more set to launch in march
An 18-inch dish is not nearly as mobile as a cell phone. Not seeing the advantage for urban/suburban customers.
Cell phones would get their signal as they do now, via the cell provider. You won't be the only one with a dish, communications companies already use them extensively. This is for home and business use, not mobile.
@@jamesthompson3099 actually there will be a lot of mobile applications as well, but the antennas will be fastened to the roofs of cars, trains, planes, boats, etc.
Pat Gannon Thanks, I didn’t know that.
It's going to be something called a "phased array". Here's a bit more info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array
I’m excited about SpaceX’s service!
@Tcll5850 you are sorry
Dont get viasat. It blows even their "gaming" 100 mbps package
I can actually play GTA 5 on my PS4 with my viasat. Any first-person shooter games though require my hotspot
Yeah, good luck with that!
Video title: Wait, Is Satellite Internet About to Get ... Awesome?
Viasat users in 2020: No... No it is not.
This should help us to destroys ourselves better and faster.
You know more than you are saying++++
Skynet
Overall good explanation but the real world numbers for latency are more like 1-2-3 seconds. Keep in mind that there is more to latency than just distance above the earth, there is the slant range and the internal transit time, compression & etc.. I have spent a lifetime in Satellite Communications since the early Intelsat IV birds up until my retirement in 2006 and have kept abreast of the new generation. As I said you did well but left so much out that your numbers become false. Even with the LEO birds, some will have less and some more latency, it is not a fixed delay for any two users unless they are both on the same backbone or block bandwidth being used by the same satellite. Single, double or triple hop paths. Satellites have a fixed bandwidth limited by hardware not throttling..... Oh well its a huge discussion and good people are trying to work it out but I don't see LEO birds as the sole solution. It hasn't eliminated all the other evils they initially claimed it would and LEO has been mostly relegated to Amateur Radio and some specialized data users.
"Anywhere?" so the sailing community will finally have internet anywhere all the time now?
yes, anywhere. Maybe not at first while they are still adding satellites, but spacex is adding them quickly now.
Yup, with a pizza box size phased array antenna you have internet. You can attach it to an airplane, your house, or indeed your sailboat.
So I wonder if this service will have the same pitfalls of satellite....well, anything else. Subject to weather conditions.
As Zevon said “I want to live all alone in the desert I want to be like Georgia O’keef”
I've got ATT DSL 6mb per sec for $40 per month and I'm a happy camper. But I don't play games.
Awesome, now I won't have Internet every time it rains.
Maybe it can be affected by weather but it depends on witch bands and how much power they use to transmit the signal they’re going to be closer than satellites we have right now, and I would definitely think that it won’t be affected by satellite position because they’re going to be a constellation of satellites so you will have one always closer to transmit the signal.
@@richie0099 it will suck, just like digital broadcast t.v.
"It takes an average of at least 100 milliseconds for that data to travel back and forth." Sigh... In my world, the theoretical best-case scenario for the round trip to geosynchronous orbit from the earth's surface is about 240 milliseconds. Perhaps you live on a smaller or faster-rotating planet than earth?
President Pence will ban porn and there will be way too much capacity everywhere.
In your dreams... 😊
You mean ballon internet!
this is all moving too fast right im going back to my 14.4k dial up modem
God plz we need this in Australia. Our dinosaur government think 20mbps is "super fast internet* fml
for me it is im stuck with 3mbs in the middle of texas cause of old lines no one wants to replace
I have ViaSat and LOVE it. I’m routinely pulling 75-100mbs and ViaSat is extremely generous with their soft data caps I used almost 200gb last month and there were absolutely no slowdowns. The latency is there and it’s not at all cheap (15 X more than local DSL) but beats the maximum 1.5mbs of the other option of DSL. I’m paralyzed and work from home in a rural area and ViaSat is a blessing.
I was surprised that my internet was not slowed down like it use to be after I passed the cap I assumed it's due to AT&T moving more towers out near where I live.
i couldn't get more than 1mbps with viasat. shit sucks.
Satellite Internet in motorhome(RV)?
Yeh more junk in space...
@Robert Pearce I'm just referring to satellites that we sent up that didn't work as they should have or didn't work at all and could have been fixed so they claimed... Believe me, if it works right I'll support it 100 percent... Have a great day...
How many satellites? You have to dodge rocks when going to Mars, now we have to add satellites as well. Better to stay here.
Yeah just like satellite TV was so great...specially when cloudy yup amazing. Lol we'll see how good it actually is
As long as it’s under 30 ms round trip latency then it’s a worthy contender
Used Hughesnet for several months - brings back memories of dialup. With small data caps, even better. Only good for rural isolated areas who don't have any internet.
As someone looking to be living on a truck within a year this is something I will be looking to get asap....
I feel for all you people living in remote areas having to deal with satellite internet. I had it for 4 years and it was awful.
Wow, that's a lot of space debris in the future once the satellites reach end of life and are decommissioned.
They burn up.
They get burned at the end of their life
There are at least 250,000 pieces of space debris in LEO (low earth orbit) that we can see with Radar, and probably millions more that are too small to be seen - and many of them are zooming around at thousands of miles per hour. The industry understands the problem and is working on ways to clean up the debris. The idea, generally, is to capture the larger pieces with various methods (nets, magnetic plates, harpoons, etc.) and drag them down to the atmosphere where they will burn up. For example, we've launched about 5000 satellites into space. 3000 of them are dead. Now we're going to launch over 50,000 new satellites in the years ahead... A lot of promise. A lot of risk. If things go wrong, space could become unusable for a couple generations or even centuries. If things go right, the fiber infrastructure on earth will essentially be replaced or significantly augmented, by an intelligent fiber-like switching network in the sky.
New satellites such as Starlink, OneWeb, etc. must file plans for how they intend to de-orbit their satellites when their life is finished. At this time, there are no plans I'm aware of, for anyone to try and land defunct satellites. They would have to carry enough fuel rocket engines, guidance systems, etc. to bring them down, which would increase the cost of sending them up in the first place. The simplest and safest approach is to burn them up in the atmosphere.
*Another instance of someone being concerned over an issue that really isn't an issue...*
@@KnightofDark00180 there are a number of companies spending a lot of research and development money to devise solutions for something you suggest is not a problem....
A company called LeoLabs develops huge Radar arrays that track debris. They are working to deploy new technology that lets them see smaller objects, and deploying this equipment in New Zealand, with plans to add more stations near the equator and poles.
There are hundreds of near-proximity alerts issued every week. Most see the risk diminish as time goes by, but sometimes operators have to move their satellites out of the way.
New satellites are given a cover material, (Whipple shield) that helps deal with micrometeorites, but large debris can explode them into a shower of pieces, each of which becomes a new bullet in space.
The Astroscale ELSA-d project is designed to test new techniques for clearing space debris. A "Servicer" will be launched in 2020 along with a "Client" that will act as debris. The client will be released and then retrieved with a magnetic plate. It will then be released and put into a spin. Servicer will match the spin, and then latch on again. It will be released yet again, and Servicer will use its Radar to find it, match speed and spin, latch on to it, and pull it back down to the atmosphere to burn up. That's quite a project to undertake for something that isn't really an issue!
Japan is developing a solution that uses an "electodynamic tether" to slow down defunct satellites so they can bring them down to the atmosphere. Other solutions include slingshotting the debris, or sending puffs of air in front of debris to slow it, (which makes it fall to a lower orbit where it will be burned up).
The RemoveDEBRIS satellite released from the ISS in Sept of 2018 demonstrated the use of a net to capture a test object.
The Russians are working on a scheme to clear debris from GEO orbits. Just a few months ago an almost brand new $400 million satellite, IS-29e was apparently hit by debris and rendered inoperable. The Russian solution is to launch a huge satellite that by its mass will create a gravity field that will attract defunct satellites and rocket parts. With each new object, the mass grows, hence the gravity field. Low thrust jets will move it around, and when it collects enough, it will raise the debris to a "graveyard" orbit above GEO.
This is just a short list of some of the activities being tested and researched to overcome what in fact is a very significant issue. There is the remote possibility that space could be rendered unusable, which would set us back a couple generations.
Three years later. SpaceX and OneWeb have global coverage already. Jeff only has a phallic-shaped rocket and zero internet in orbit.
Personally, I will stick to fiber, but SpaceX surely will fill the voids and even provide some telephone services from space.
hughes net is crap
Hymn....? Have You Ever Tried To Watch A Live Video Feed From The ISS YEA ! Won't Be Holding My Breath !!!
Iss feed is firstly very secured, that makes it slower. And it travels via the iss, to a tdrs satellite in geostationary orbit, then back to houston manned spaceflight center, and from there to the nasa center that broadcasts it. Massive detour, you wouldnt have that with starlink.
ViaSat sucks and it's the "best" current provider on the market. Pay $200 per month for 700-800 MS ping... oh and did I mention some how we max our data (150gb) out in 7 days or less... I CAN NOT WAIT FOR STAR LINK! If charter would just come out to me... I would gladly pay the $200 per month I currently do to Spectrum.
Down in mexico I have phone company via satélite.voice over Lte.band 28 or 700mghz.20gb unlimited talk and text all north america .
All for 200 pesos =$US 9.5!
Gies what mobile company: walmart !👍
This is fine and all but if they can't get the cost lower than local ISP, it will not matter much.
of course it will matter, think with your brain.... whats cheaper then no ISP in your area? whats cheaper then no internet on your yacht? or very bad current GEO satellite internet?
@@emko333 I was talking in general not a handful of instances. Not many dead zones anymore. Sure maybe 10 years ago but not now.
Satellite internet user here. Our ISP is based out of West Virginia, called Morgan Wireless. I play video games a lot, and the ping is between 60-100 ping, which isn't that bad! Even when my family is on Netflix or RUclips, I don't lag that much. If you live in West Virginia, consider Morgan Wireless!
Using low cost Satellite internet services and the one thing is you just can't watch RUclips in HD 1080p. Very frustrating and disappointing.
Viasat sucks beyond all capabilities. Waiting for my Starlink to arrive this year (after ordering it in June of 2021.) That sucks also.
Save yourself, don't do it!!! HughesNet Satellite Service was easily the worst internet experience I have ever had. Worse, it became the most costly too. If you don't mind constant buffering, satellite internet is for you. If you find you can't stand it anymore, you'll pay a $400+ penalty fee. Who does that to customers they can't deliver a good product too? This is your warning.