Mwhimes was playing with 5 3rd string o linemen lol even in that loss Mahomes was the best player on the field. Just like how people knew Jordan was the GOAT before he even had 3 rings, the eyeball test matters
Pat is a cyborg. He is 100% calm in every situation now to the point it's like he's just ordering pizza while knocking off elite team after elite team.
Tom Brady has 7 titles. SEVEN, hes the greatest. Mahomes might be the most talented but not the greatest yet. Mahomes needs to get at least 5 titles to be in the conversation
@@stalepradNo, I'm just saying that he has only 2 rings and people are already saying hes the best ever which is unfair to Brady who has 7. Its the same with lebron too, early in his career, the comparison to MJ was dumb but now that Lebron has 4, its an equivalent debate
Well, that is not necessarily correct. Just because someone beats you, does not mean they will eternally be better than you for all of time. Games are a day-to-day thing. People perform at different levels on each day. For the record, I do think Tom Brady is still the goat, but I don't think your argument is sound. Perfect example is last year. Tom didn't even make it far enough in the playoffs to meet Patrick.
@imthebestmayne122 they pretty much mirror one another by the numbers at this point in their careers. But Mahomes has ALONG way to go before it is a discussion. And by this point Brady had led many comeback wins including SB wins where he led them to the game winning score or FG.
You can't deny Mahomes is more talented than Brady. Winning 5 rings also takes a bit of luck too. Being healthy at the right time and avoiding playing certain teams that were eliminated plays a part in the luck factor.
Slow your roll I agree he will get 5or 6 rings kinda doubt 7 considering kelce getting older, idk I say 5 rings, its gonna be like MJ and Bron kind of debate of whose the Goat, mahomes gonna have the stats while Brady gonna have the more rings. Gonna be close tho if mahomes somehow gets to 6 or 7 rings he definitely in that goat debate, probably the Goat atp
@@luckyluke1503well that’s because Brady’s a ball-inflating rigger who had home court advantage in Tampa as an accessory of the rigging in Buccaneers favor. In 20 years no one will point to one game like that. Mahomes is like a smarter and less ball-deflating Brady
Mahomes literally had grocery baggers for an offensive line in that game. Go back and watch the types of throws Mahomes made in that game. Did his best to put his team in the best position possible.
Yes exactly… these media members are working on an agenda imo, if the Chiefs lose then it’s all his fault no questions, because if they win it’s all because of him, and him alone
The media is truly insufferable with the mahomes stuff. They scored 3 points and averaged 3.1 yards per play after the first 2 drives of the game. They did NOTHING on offense for 10 consecutive drives.
@@Alan1michel I agree they did what’s needed, they won the game. Congrats to the chiefs. I’m simply stating the obvious, the offense was not good at all yesterday. Yet the entire sports world has been on their collective knees for Mahomes for the past 24 hours. It’s silly
@@jackyoung9731 If that's any other QB besides Mahomes, including Brady, everything we hear today is how great the DEFENSE played. The DEFENSE won that game for KC.
I think it's probably a cotton/polyester blend. It could easily be cut, though likely pretty resistant to tearing. So, maybe tough depending on your definition
Saying "always" is a dangerous game. AFC is way more competitive now than it was when Tom played... Patrick is certainly on his way and no one can deny that. Records are made to be broken and people assuming Brady would maintain all his for very long are delusional. I guess the point is, no one should be surprised if Mahomes surpasses Brady. So no, Tom will not always be better. Someone out there is always better.
Let’s wait until he wins his third Super Bowl to have this conversation. There are a lot of arguments on why Brady is the 🐐but I think the 7-10 record speaks for itself.
Tainted due to multiple cheating scandals. Also, he lost twice to Eli manning--once as the biggest favorite in SB history at 14 points--after going 18-0....And lost a 3rd to a back up QB.
@@petep5207Do you even know what “spygate” was about? Deflategate was a joke they ran the ball all over the colts and beat the by 40 but year it was .20 of psi 😂.
Brady STOLE Mahomes lunch money TWICE in the postseason. JUST STOP IT. Brady got 7 RINGS! Mahomes has 2. In order for Mahomes to JOIN the conversation is by winning atleast 5 SBs. And even then, he is only in tue conversation. To surpass Brady he will NEED ATLEAST 7 RINGS. AINT HAPPENING. BRADY IS THE GOAT AND MAHOMES got a LONG LONG WAY to go.
STOLE it once in the SB. If it werent for Dee Ford being offsides, Tom would've lost to Mahomes. So quit acting like this man BLOWS the chiefs out of the water.
We watched patty run for his life with no oline and hill dropped td pass and his rb Williams driped a td pass people act like they aint watch that Superbowl meanwhile on the other side brady didnt get scratched while grink ab mike evans and Godwin was wide open and they was at home 😂😒yea we remember everything
@@Heie_ Funny that Chiefs fans just a week ago were telling Bills fans, "Stop crying about injuries. Next man up. No excuses. You lost, fair and square." Bias is a funny thing...
Folks be talking like we ain't see Brady & Eli play each other in 2 super bowls & Eli beat him like he did the others smh. See how retarded that sounds?
Tom owned the AFC East for 2 decades, won 10 conference championships, 7 super bowls, and was 2-0 against Mahomes' team head-to-head (with different teams!) In the post season. Boys just stop this nonsense.
Tainted due to multiple cheating scandals. IT IS WHAT IT IS. Also, he lost twice to Eli manning--once as the biggest favorite in SB history at 14 points--after going 18-0....And lost a 3rd to a back up QB.
Yeah i think people are mostly saying hes the best all time. Which he is, mahomes is the beat ever. But greatness is a whole different level. And Brady will remain the GOAT, and Mahomes has to win 4 or 5 super bowls to be considered the GOAT. (which i think he will do in the next 7 years easy)
Tom won 7 rings, had 5 Superbowl MVPs and will be unanimous first ballot hall of fame inductee. He's retired and doesn't care about that debate anymore. As if he cared about it before.
Here we go with this nonsense. Besides, the fact that Tom Brady played in three different eras. Besides the fact that he is so much less, physically gifted and talented,….which should only strengthen his argument. Not only does Patrick Mahomes need to surpass every single achievement, Brady has obtained. Elevating Years and years of no names on offense, and yes, believe it or not dragging some pretty bad defensive teams at times. Patrick Mahomes would have to create some sort of invention that would allow him to be in his mid 40s and then play Tom Brady in his late 20s….AND beat him not only once… but twice in championship games.🤫 Forget about the way he inspired people, and the way he led. The Atlanta, Super Bowl, the countless others. People like Ali, Jordan and Brady are eternal…men like that belong in a different stratosphere.🔥💯
FOR YEARS all I heard was "Brady's defenses carry him." And now when KC's DEFENSE is CARRYING him (averaging 3.1 ypp is bad) and scoring ZERO points in the second half, and yet the media wants to CROWN Mahomes for his DEFENSE winning them the game, all while INDIVIDUALIZING the achievement. Oh ironic. And a deeper irony is this: Mahomes doesn't pass Brady until he gets AT LEAST SEVEN RINGS. Why? Brady got there 10 times. Meaning he GAVE HIMSELF 10 attempts at a ring and won 7 of them. This idea that WINNING should count when assessing who the MVP is, but WINNING the ultimate prize, the super bowl, SHOULD NOT count (and we should instead elevate REGULAR SEASON MVPs and individual stats ahead of rings) heavily towards the GOAT discussion because Super Bowls are a "team achievement," is the most IDIOTIC thing i have ever heard. So wait a second, if you put up great stats and LOSE you get a pro bowl. If you put up great stats and are above .500, you get a pro bowl, maybe an all pro nod. If you put up greats and have a top 3 win record in the NFL (usually the best record), you get REGULAR SEASON MVP (just check the past 10 winners). But being consistently CLUTCH enough in the playoffs to WIN A SUPER BOWL is a "team achievement?" Seems like REGULAR SEASON MVPS are JUST AS MUCH a "team achievement" as WINNING SUPER BOWLS. Please, this is click bait. Mahomes might be the most TALENTED ever, but he ain't the GOAT. That's Brady until Mahomes gets to 7 rings.
Yea he is because Mahomes had revolutionized the game and changed the way Quarterbacks are drafted and evaluated. Even changed the way Quarterbacks are trained. Use your eyes when not just talking about rings when we saying he’s the best the game has seen nobody has had a combination of talent like this he has no weaknesses. Brady weakness make him hold and move off the launching pad
@@KevonDaDon Mahomes is not the GOAT. Y'all people are weird & hella disrespectful to the legacy of Brady & Montana. Mf hasn't even surpassed Montana & y'all wanna crown him the participation GOAT title. That's wild. Mahomes is 3rd place all time, how in any way is that bad?? He just isn't the GOAT.
i think these people are just having fun talking about it. But in all honesty, we're a long way to go before we have this serious conversation. IMO he has to overtake Joe Montana first, before talking about passing TB12 as the GOAT. So far Patrick Mahomes is 2 for 3 in the Super Bowl
As a Brady fan if Mahomes gets 5 with 5 SBMVPs it’s a toss up tbh. Can’t argue with Mahomes ability to run and make off platform throws and just his creativity when the play breaks down. Brady was the best at moving around in the pocket and resetting his feet to make timely throws in the smallest windows. Both truly one of one.
Id say it’d take 5 rings and 5 regular season MVPs. Idc as much about SB MVPs because any number of players on any Super Bowl winning team could all deserve it. If Mahomes ties Manning at 1st in MVPs and cements himself as second in rings I’ll call him the GOAT. Only exception is if he orchestrates the first three peat in history this year and next.
@@NathanBradshaw-l1z - Then MJ is not the NBA GOAT, right? Bill Russell is. Hit me with the lazy, childish "plumber's era argument...which Russell had NO control over...and I will hit you with Brady being caught cheating and penalized severely multiple times--which HE DID have control over. His entire legacy is tainted, like it or not. See how ignorant YOU sound?
0:15 interesting sounds really familiar but that same guy got discredited any chance they could get, and Brady gave Mahomes his first regular season loss, first playoff loss and first superbowl loss,let me guess now tho it’s about the defenses when it’s anybody else but Mahomes does it all himself got it
You can’t tell me the nfl is not forcing these shows to heap unlimited praise on Mahomes. They literally discredit purdy for being a game manager. Yet when Mahomes does it it furthers his goat status
@@jctslice kc was carried by the defense this year and I seriously doubt you were saying anything about help when mahomes had an all star team on offense were you? And draft position means nothing Brady was 199
@@kingnovi9404 I wasn't because I and many others already knew how special he was talent wise. He wasn't reliant on his help to be special. Brock is. Brady is the outlier
@@jctslice nobody was talking about mahomes when he came into the league people criticized the chiefs for trading up for him. And talent or no talent we have never seen a player be criticized for having talent around him. Jalen hurts is another example coming into this year people was saying he was a top 3 qb even tho last year he had the best line. Good rbs and a top 3 receiver group
Have you played in the nfl? Won a super bowl? Ahh yet but a hof'er in Ryan Clark is a clown because hes giving his opinion. Nobody said its law but hes not the only ex-player/coach thats saying the same thing.
Here come the biased Brady meatriders under every video that talks about Mahomes' greatness, with the "Brady beat Mahomes twice already" idiotic comment as if 1. Football is 1v1, not Offense vs Defense 2. Brady didn't get bailed out of throwing a GAME-LOSING INTERCEPTION by Dee Ford in the AFCCG 3. Mahomes didn't have 4 starting offensive lineman out for the SB and was pressured a SB record number of times yet was still making insane throws that Brady could never make 4. Mahomes wasn't in his FIRST and THIRD year starting and isn't way better now, while Brady had 15+ years of experience. It's hilarious how awful of an argument that is, on so many levels (and why it's not used as a serious argument on TV by anyone who understands football).
17 points and shut out in the second half?! Really? Over this game?! This isn’t even close to his best performance this was MID for him. Still got a lot of rings to go but by all means ride that hype train
Mahomes didn't have anywhere close to the defenses brady had. The Superbowl home game Brady won head to head wasn't to do with Mahomes. Mahomes made plays Brady could never dream of.
Pats were a run first offense when Brady took over, and relied on their defense . That was common back then. Mahomes inherited elite talent at all skill positions, plus one of the best offensive minds ever. You can’t take away from Brady or mahomes. They’re both the unquestionable leaders of their teams.
According to Patrick Mahomes, he's not about to pass Tom Brady. He recently said that 7 SB wins still seems far off, and that asking if he's the GOAT shouldn't happen for another 15 years.
As far as pure talent and ability, Mahomes> Brady. It's like comparing Jordan to Bill Russell. Plus, you won't catch Mahomes drunk falling off of floats. It took Brady years before he started having success.
Mahomes has the most versatile arm ever, he is top 5 ever at avoiding sacks, he is the best ever against the blitz, he is the best scrambler ever, top 10 strongest arms ever. if he played 15 years at or near this level his numbers, accolades, all pros and records will be diabolical. that along with 4 to 6 rings and 3 to 5 MVPs that is easily goat worthy
Best scrambler ever? Jesus, that’s really not a good take. Better than Mike Vick, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham, Lamar Jackson, Roger Staubach? What are you talking about?!
@@nomnsookeke4882 I think your thinking about just running or just rushing yards from a QB. Mahomes gets more results from his scrambling ability than any of those QBs. Russ and LJ are up there but Pat is more effective when the play breaks down than any of those guys easily. and any arguable take is not a bad take. and if u think he not the best scrambler ever then thats fine. thats your OP
If Patrick mahome retire today he still behind Montana and peyton manning what the f are you people trying to put him up there .. we also seen Aaron roger be a great passer like Patrick
Mahomes is 4-2 in AFC Champs and has 2 SB wins and 14 Postseasons Wins… Tom is 9-4 in AFC Champs, 1-0 NFC Champs and has 7 SB wins and 35 postseason Wins Mahomes lost both AFC champs and a SB to Tom All hail the new 🐐 Mahomes 😂 (come back in 5-10 years with that statement)
@@stvmendez He went to OT in the AFCCG & lost. Took them to the SB in year 2 (W & SBMVP), year 3 (L), year 5 (1st QB THIS CENTURY to win MVP, the SB & SBMVP) & again in year 6. So this is his 4th SB appearance in 5 years).
@@jenniferaceste8823 Starting with your second sentence, add a year. Brock didn't get the benefit of a full redshirt rookie year. He got thrown into the fire and played great immediately. Patrick got to learn behind Alex Smith. Not knocking Mahomes, he's the best today. Just pointing out that Brock is on a as-good trajectory at the start. Hoping he can follow through in the next few years like Mahomes did.
Brady beat Mahomes when he was an old man with a team that had a losing record the year before with Jameis Winston. He threw for more yards and tds than Mahomes every year they both played. This is a silly debate. No way Mahomes will have Brady's longevity and ultimately longevity/durability will determine greatness as opposed to just being great. Mahomes relies on mobility and the second he loses a 1/2 step he will become Russell Wilson 2023.
Brady literally beat him. And got his 7th ring doing it: this isn’t a debate. It becomes a debate when Mahomes gets 7-8 rings and EVEN THEN it’s just a debate and Brady stills wins. Brady beat Mahomes
Brady’s the goat QB Pat is the best in this era because he’s not trying to be flashy and cute he plays straight up football move those dam chains…having said that I hate to say I’d still take Peyton over the two I can’t help it 😂 and the scariest playoff team is Eli and the giants my lord 😂
Keep in mind that we’re living in clout chasing times and these sports anchors and podcasters will say anything without any regard or respect for the legends that have played in different era that was not flag football! The word GOAT has no value or respect to it and it’s like a piece of candy that gets given out easily! 😂
The two share the title for now, because Mahomes has superior short term numbers, then when Mahomes career is over we bestow the title on whoever has the highest long term numbers.
I vividly recall the nfl doing everything in its power to dismantle the Patriots run, while they do everything to help the chiefs. Don’t forget the OT rule change they made just for mahomes and the chiefs. They said they’re going to change another rule this offseason for them too. * NFL isn’t letting Taylor Swift go to the Super Bowl and leave with a L.
They didn't change the OT rules when Patrick lost to Brady in the AFC Championship Game. It wasn't until Josh Allen lost to Mahomes. That's when the rule changed. Lol, very casual fan. 🤣
Not in the GOAT issue yet. He needs 4 more rings/2 more MVPs. Mahomes & Allen will be tied @ the end of their careers. Mahomes matches Peyton in managing the clock when behind in a game. Defenses can't take him out.
If you think Mahomes needs 8 rings to be the goat. You’re not worth debating. You’re obviously bias. That’s like saying Russel is better than Jordan. If you make that agrgument you was probably born in the 30s 😂
He needs it because Brady has the head to head victories and they were both in the playoffs and one of them the championship. It’s not gonna be stats because Mahomes last 22 games he’s thrown for 33 TDs and 22 INTs. His trajectory has fallen off a cliff.
Brady beat Mahomes in the Super Bowl
Youd think Brady retired 20 years ago the way they talk
Eli beat Brady in two Super Bowls
@@nathanfrancis9411 Eli isn't in the GOAT conversation though. If Eli was legitimately in the GOAT conversation, that would matter.
Mwhimes was playing with 5 3rd string o linemen lol even in that loss Mahomes was the best player on the field. Just like how people knew Jordan was the GOAT before he even had 3 rings, the eyeball test matters
@@BKFCNTBBMahomes was the best player on the field even though Gronk scored 2 touchdowns and LaVante David locked up Travis Kelce? How?
Pat is a cyborg. He is 100% calm in every situation now to the point it's like he's just ordering pizza while knocking off elite team after elite team.
Tom Brady has 7 titles. SEVEN, hes the greatest. Mahomes might be the most talented but not the greatest yet. Mahomes needs to get at least 5 titles to be in the conversation
By your standards, Robert Horry is better than Mj 😂
@@stalepradNo, I'm just saying that he has only 2 rings and people are already saying hes the best ever which is unfair to Brady who has 7. Its the same with lebron too, early in his career, the comparison to MJ was dumb but now that Lebron has 4, its an equivalent debate
@@avgviewer1
He's going to his 4th SB in 5 years!
Did we forget Brady beat him head to head for the SB? Enough said, and I am not a Brady fan but RESPECT to the GOAT
Well, that is not necessarily correct. Just because someone beats you, does not mean they will eternally be better than you for all of time. Games are a day-to-day thing. People perform at different levels on each day. For the record, I do think Tom Brady is still the goat, but I don't think your argument is sound. Perfect example is last year. Tom didn't even make it far enough in the playoffs to meet Patrick.
@imthebestmayne122 they pretty much mirror one another by the numbers at this point in their careers. But Mahomes has ALONG way to go before it is a discussion. And by this point Brady had led many comeback wins including SB wins where he led them to the game winning score or FG.
That must mean Eli Manning is the GOAT
So by your pathetic logic Eli Manning is the GOAT
@@bmuhlemanget off your knees
Thank you Dan for Patrick Mahomes to be in the Tom Brady conversation. He has to win at least five rings.
You really think he won’t win 5? Lol . He’s about to get 3 in his 6th season as a starter .
@@markvasil3307lmao huge difference between the TWO he has and 5. And 7
You can't deny Mahomes is more talented than Brady. Winning 5 rings also takes a bit of luck too. Being healthy at the right time and avoiding playing certain teams that were eliminated plays a part in the luck factor.
Slow your roll I agree he will get 5or 6 rings kinda doubt 7 considering kelce getting older, idk I say 5 rings, its gonna be like MJ and Bron kind of debate of whose the Goat, mahomes gonna have the stats while Brady gonna have the more rings. Gonna be close tho if mahomes somehow gets to 6 or 7 rings he definitely in that goat debate, probably the Goat atp
@@JoeyFlores-pn2hv well as of right now just one ring better than Trent Dilfer
The regular season was just a warm up for Mahomes. He becomes the goat when the playoffs commence. KC won't be denied in Vegas.
Yes the reg doesn't matter to the chiefs they know there gonna win the division and claim a top playoff spot then the fun begins
I think it’s chiefs for the next 5 years. Like no one is beating them it’s crazy….
Brady still owns Mahomes in Playoffs and he was in his 40's.
@@luckyluke1503well that’s because Brady’s a ball-inflating rigger who had home court advantage in Tampa as an accessory of the rigging in Buccaneers favor. In 20 years no one will point to one game like that. Mahomes is like a smarter and less ball-deflating Brady
@gonzalo4658 Bro definitely took the short bus to school. Brady is the GOAT. Deal with it.
He went head to head with the goat in the Super Bowl and got blown out. Any other argument is null and void after that.
GTFOH! Patrick Mahomes is much better than Brady!
@@chopshop523 Brady 2 Mahomes 0 in playoff. 7 rings. What are we talking about.
@@MrSample1 Mahomes is Thanos!!!!!
Mahomes literally had grocery baggers for an offensive line in that game. Go back and watch the types of throws Mahomes made in that game. Did his best to put his team in the best position possible.
@@davegardner6673 Injury excuses? You sound like Bills fans last week.
Oh the irony....
the way QBs and WRs are protected these days, goat status is still a ways away
Yes exactly… these media members are working on an agenda imo, if the Chiefs lose then it’s all his fault no questions, because if they win it’s all because of him, and him alone
The media is truly insufferable with the mahomes stuff.
They scored 3 points and averaged 3.1 yards per play after the first 2 drives of the game. They did NOTHING on offense for 10 consecutive drives.
They do what is needed.
@@Alan1michel I agree they did what’s needed, they won the game. Congrats to the chiefs.
I’m simply stating the obvious, the offense was not good at all yesterday. Yet the entire sports world has been on their collective knees for Mahomes for the past 24 hours. It’s silly
I agree them beating the ravens has more to do with the ravens beating themselves with a little help from the refs.
@@jackyoung9731 If that's any other QB besides Mahomes, including Brady, everything we hear today is how great the DEFENSE played. The DEFENSE won that game for KC.
@@777zippy777agreed.
Ryan's blazer is tough af
I think it's probably a cotton/polyester blend. It could easily be cut, though likely pretty resistant to tearing. So, maybe tough depending on your definition
@@chrism6880This was a very wholesome comment. "Tough" is a compliment for good-looking, not durability.
How ?? Be realistic 😂brady beat mahomes for ah super and for ah chance to win a Super Bowl
😂😂Tom will always be better
Saying "always" is a dangerous game. AFC is way more competitive now than it was when Tom played... Patrick is certainly on his way and no one can deny that. Records are made to be broken and people assuming Brady would maintain all his for very long are delusional. I guess the point is, no one should be surprised if Mahomes surpasses Brady. So no, Tom will not always be better. Someone out there is always better.
@@BSed31 he won’t pass Brady ever !
Just as brady will never pass eli. Mahomes will never beat brady cause he lost in the SB? well brady lost to eli TWICE
@@ryanseijuro5279 Brady got 7 super bows Eli got 2😭convo over 😭
@@onlyy1trav sorry my memory fails me, can you tell me who eli beat to get that 2 rings?
Let’s wait until he wins his third Super Bowl to have this conversation. There are a lot of arguments on why Brady is the 🐐but I think the 7-10 record speaks for itself.
Brady is the goat, and I'm a 49ers fan. He still needs 2 SB wins to catch Montana, so shhhh, everyone .
@@costa328 wishing your team luck against the Chiefs they are definitely gonna need it
Tainted due to multiple cheating scandals. Also, he lost twice to Eli manning--once as the biggest favorite in SB history at 14 points--after going 18-0....And lost a 3rd to a back up QB.
@petep5207 Mahomesy got them Refs and Sportsbetters. Just ignore the NFL Steroids and Salary Cap Scandals before Brady. All you're doing.
@@petep5207Do you even know what “spygate” was about? Deflategate was a joke they ran the ball all over the colts and beat the by 40 but year it was .20 of psi 😂.
He's not the goat yet, but hes ONLY looking up at Brady and Montana though
Manning?
@@cliptomaniac2562I think he’s passed manning already 🤷♂️
@@DevinBird2753I said if he wins he will be but 5mvps and 4afc champ wins with 4 different head coaches…
@@dougyfresh3kpat has passed Peyton and Montana last year😂
Brady STOLE Mahomes lunch money TWICE in the postseason. JUST STOP IT. Brady got 7 RINGS! Mahomes has 2. In order for Mahomes to JOIN the conversation is by winning atleast 5 SBs. And even then, he is only in tue conversation. To surpass Brady he will NEED ATLEAST 7 RINGS. AINT HAPPENING. BRADY IS THE GOAT AND MAHOMES got a LONG LONG WAY to go.
STOLE it once in the SB. If it werent for Dee Ford being offsides, Tom would've lost to Mahomes. So quit acting like this man BLOWS the chiefs out of the water.
Rings the only thing making him better?
@2chopstothethroat1 literally almost every stat for a quarterback brady is number 1 so yes mahomes has a very long way to go
@@samwheel5162 there is no situation where I would want Brady over Mahomes.
@@2chopstothethroat1except if the were about to go against each other
Absolutely laughable take
how it was laughable
🤣🤣🤣🤣Yes it is!!!! my side is killing me rt now.
He's gonna pass Brady ...
No what's laughable is Brady fans crying when mahomes wins Superbowl number 7 and then 8 !!!!
Folks be talking like we ain’t see Brady & Patty play each other for Super Bowls & Brady ain’t beat him like he did the others smh
We watched patty run for his life with no oline and hill dropped td pass and his rb Williams driped a td pass people act like they aint watch that Superbowl meanwhile on the other side brady didnt get scratched while grink ab mike evans and Godwin was wide open and they was at home 😂😒yea we remember everything
@@Heie_ Chiefs were missing 1 lineman, maybe he wouldnt be pressured if his TE actually played TE and blocked
@@Heie_ Funny that Chiefs fans just a week ago were telling Bills fans, "Stop crying about injuries. Next man up. No excuses. You lost, fair and square."
Bias is a funny thing...
@@777zippy777
The Chiefs FANS don't play the game. What was the Ravens excuse? Bias IS a funny thing.
Folks be talking like we ain't see Brady & Eli play each other in 2 super bowls & Eli beat him like he did the others smh. See how retarded that sounds?
When Mahomes gets his 8th ring, we’ll talk about it…🙄
Mahomes is like a QB super soldier.
Rodgers arm talent: ✔️
Big Ben's playmaking: ✔️
Brady-esque clutch: ✔️
Insane.
+ Eli Manning dumb luck lol
@@csharp3884 - You don't finish Top 10 in ALL major passing categories all-time due ot "dumb luck", you casual kid.
And the power of the swifties now.
To the point! He is a combination of these great QBs
@@petep5207 I’m an Eli Manning fan, I think he should be in HOF, but can’t deny some of the plays he’s famous for have been lucky lol
No. How many rings does Mahomes have. He's not in the same league yet.
Tom owned the AFC East for 2 decades, won 10 conference championships, 7 super bowls, and was 2-0 against Mahomes' team head-to-head (with different teams!) In the post season.
Boys just stop this nonsense.
So ignore the fact that mahomes had one of the worst defenses and offensive lineman that were backups? Lol.
@josephmartinez4975 No, that's 1 variable in a multivariate analysis.
Brady has two more seven season hall of fame careers
7 rings vs 2 lol we can't crown him the GOAT until he surpasses Brady in rings.....specially when one of Brady's rings came agaisnt Pat Mahomes
Technically two since the Pats won the Rams SB after beating the Chiefs in the AFCCG.
Tainted due to multiple cheating scandals. IT IS WHAT IT IS. Also, he lost twice to Eli manning--once as the biggest favorite in SB history at 14 points--after going 18-0....And lost a 3rd to a back up QB.
Yeah i think people are mostly saying hes the best all time. Which he is, mahomes is the beat ever. But greatness is a whole different level. And Brady will remain the GOAT, and Mahomes has to win 4 or 5 super bowls to be considered the GOAT. (which i think he will do in the next 7 years easy)
This is just MJ v Bill Russell. And Mahomes is MJ never seen anything like him and he’s revolutionized the sport and QB position
@@petep5207 Mahomes got Refs on his side. The "cheating" talking point is fraudulent BS!!
Tom won 7 rings, had 5 Superbowl MVPs and will be unanimous first ballot hall of fame inductee. He's retired and doesn't care about that debate anymore. As if he cared about it before.
Can we just call this the greatest stretch by a QB over 6 years instead of putting him in the goat conversation? It's too soon for that.
WORD! Precisely.
And even that isn’t true. Tom Brady had a 6 year stretch 2014-2020 won 4 of 5 SB appearances.
@@cliptomaniac2562 how many mvps? And that's 7 years buddy
Here we go with this nonsense. Besides, the fact that Tom Brady played in three different eras. Besides the fact that he is so much less, physically gifted and talented,….which should only strengthen his argument. Not only does Patrick Mahomes need to surpass every single achievement, Brady has obtained. Elevating Years and years of no names on offense, and yes, believe it or not dragging some pretty bad defensive teams at times. Patrick Mahomes would have to create some sort of invention that would allow him to be in his mid 40s and then play Tom Brady in his late 20s….AND beat him not only once… but twice in championship games.🤫 Forget about the way he inspired people, and the way he led. The Atlanta, Super Bowl, the countless others. People like Ali, Jordan and Brady are eternal…men like that belong in a different stratosphere.🔥💯
Brady surpassed Jordan I think
FOR YEARS all I heard was "Brady's defenses carry him." And now when KC's DEFENSE is CARRYING him (averaging 3.1 ypp is bad) and scoring ZERO points in the second half, and yet the media wants to CROWN Mahomes for his DEFENSE winning them the game, all while INDIVIDUALIZING the achievement.
Oh ironic.
And a deeper irony is this: Mahomes doesn't pass Brady until he gets AT LEAST SEVEN RINGS. Why?
Brady got there 10 times. Meaning he GAVE HIMSELF 10 attempts at a ring and won 7 of them.
This idea that WINNING should count when assessing who the MVP is, but WINNING the ultimate prize, the super bowl, SHOULD NOT count (and we should instead elevate REGULAR SEASON MVPs and individual stats ahead of rings) heavily towards the GOAT discussion because Super Bowls are a "team achievement," is the most IDIOTIC thing i have ever heard.
So wait a second, if you put up great stats and LOSE you get a pro bowl.
If you put up great stats and are above .500, you get a pro bowl, maybe an all pro nod.
If you put up greats and have a top 3 win record in the NFL (usually the best record), you get REGULAR SEASON MVP (just check the past 10 winners).
But being consistently CLUTCH enough in the playoffs to WIN A SUPER BOWL is a "team achievement?"
Seems like REGULAR SEASON MVPS are JUST AS MUCH a "team achievement" as WINNING SUPER BOWLS.
Please, this is click bait. Mahomes might be the most TALENTED ever, but he ain't the GOAT. That's Brady until Mahomes gets to 7 rings.
Mahomes still hasnt even supassed Manning or Montana.
They dont even get talked about anymore, do they even exist
@@tylers9476 Especially Joe. 4-0 in the Super Bowl and never threw a pick.
@@duydo6924 everyone living in the present and forgetting the past
Way too early for the GOAT convo. Especially when the GOAT beat him in the Super Bowl.
Yea he is because Mahomes had revolutionized the game and changed the way Quarterbacks are drafted and evaluated. Even changed the way Quarterbacks are trained. Use your eyes when not just talking about rings when we saying he’s the best the game has seen nobody has had a combination of talent like this he has no weaknesses. Brady weakness make him hold and move off the launching pad
Eli beat Tom twice
@@KevonDaDon Mahomes is not the GOAT. Y'all people are weird & hella disrespectful to the legacy of Brady & Montana. Mf hasn't even surpassed Montana & y'all wanna crown him the participation GOAT title. That's wild. Mahomes is 3rd place all time, how in any way is that bad?? He just isn't the GOAT.
Don’t forget that AFC Championship game in Arrowhead too
@@jordanwhitehead1251 Brady beat Mahomes TWICE, and yet you ignore that element. Nice Double Standards.
If he wins 3. He passes Montana. I think he needs 6-7 to pass Brady.
Just 4. He beats Brady 6-7 out of 10, all things being equal.
@@sixtynine2856its crazy how y'all have to low-ball the goat status if he really the goat like that or a future one then he'll get seven
@@Maddogtheiced They want to change the criteria for Goat In order to Squeeze Mahomes in.
@@tmot6714 it's a shame smh
i think these people are just having fun talking about it. But in all honesty, we're a long way to go before we have this serious conversation. IMO he has to overtake Joe Montana first, before talking about passing TB12 as the GOAT. So far Patrick Mahomes is 2 for 3 in the Super Bowl
Andy Reid is near retirement he is the brains to their success it all depends on how much longer he can go
Mahones isn't even close to touching Brady, so how can he already be the GOAT?
its a racial thing
That tweet was ultimate glazing
“It’s greatness on greatness.”
Niners / chiefs is avengers vs thanos. Question is are we talking infinity war or endgame?
thanks ryan, you just jinxed him
Hey the video froze but the audio is still going.
Let's completely ignore the fact that mahomes has been the second best QB in all the Superbowls he's been in.
he also needs to throw for over 300 yards at least once in the super bowl
He doesn't really. Brady once threw for over 500 and lost to Nick Foles
which he did lol
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@@jctslice he did✅
As a Brady fan if Mahomes gets 5 with 5 SBMVPs it’s a toss up tbh. Can’t argue with Mahomes ability to run and make off platform throws and just his creativity when the play breaks down. Brady was the best at moving around in the pocket and resetting his feet to make timely throws in the smallest windows. Both truly one of one.
Id say it’d take 5 rings and 5 regular season MVPs. Idc as much about SB MVPs because any number of players on any Super Bowl winning team could all deserve it. If Mahomes ties Manning at 1st in MVPs and cements himself as second in rings I’ll call him the GOAT. Only exception is if he orchestrates the first three peat in history this year and next.
The only way it's a toss up is if Patrick retires early. Patrick going to be the goat
You sound ignorant!!! He will need at least 8 to be in the convo
lmao you're not too bright
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@@NathanBradshaw-l1z - Then MJ is not the NBA GOAT, right? Bill Russell is. Hit me with the lazy, childish "plumber's era argument...which Russell had NO control over...and I will hit you with Brady being caught cheating and penalized severely multiple times--which HE DID have control over. His entire legacy is tainted, like it or not. See how ignorant YOU sound?
There is only one GOAT and it is and will ALWAYS will be Tom Brady 🐐
0:15 interesting sounds really familiar but that same guy got discredited any chance they could get, and Brady gave Mahomes his first regular season loss, first playoff loss and first superbowl loss,let me guess now tho it’s about the defenses when it’s anybody else but Mahomes does it all himself got it
He's got 2 superbowl wins. How many did Brady got? Hard to beat that. he's the greatest playing right now no question.
This is Mahomes last Super Bowl appearance. I have spoken. From 2 to 7, that’s eternity
If Purdy wins in 2 weeks and wins another SB, none of these 🤡 would say Purdy is close to being the goat . Silly nonsensical talk
Nah they probably would
You can’t tell me the nfl is not forcing these shows to heap unlimited praise on Mahomes. They literally discredit purdy for being a game manager. Yet when Mahomes does it it furthers his goat status
Yea it’s biased Media takes for
Sure
Because Purdy has way more help around him and was drafted way lower than Pat
@@jctslice kc was carried by the defense this year and I seriously doubt you were saying anything about help when mahomes had an all star team on offense were you? And draft position means nothing Brady was 199
@@kingnovi9404 I wasn't because I and many others already knew how special he was talent wise. He wasn't reliant on his help to be special. Brock is. Brady is the outlier
@@jctslice nobody was talking about mahomes when he came into the league people criticized the chiefs for trading up for him. And talent or no talent we have never seen a player be criticized for having talent around him. Jalen hurts is another example coming into this year people was saying he was a top 3 qb even tho last year he had the best line. Good rbs and a top 3 receiver group
The media needs to stop with these comparison
agreed they are ridiculous to me, none of them mention the rules have allowed for offense to play freely with minimal to no defense
You want to listen to a 🤡 listen to RC. Until he gets 4 SB wins like Montana, he's a good QB
Have you played in the nfl? Won a super bowl? Ahh yet but a hof'er in Ryan Clark is a clown because hes giving his opinion. Nobody said its law but hes not the only ex-player/coach thats saying the same thing.
@@SupremeGon Then you have a bunch of 🤡 that makes it a circus 🎪 🙄
@costa328 lmfao guess it takes one to know one
@SupremeGon Have you played in the NFL ?? Don't worry, I'm a big boy and can handle it
@costa328 sound kinda like a child to me but go off lol.
Only if he wins a third Super Bowl otherwise he will be 2-2 only.
Stop it!!!! Prisoners of the moment 😂
Tom Brady has the same amount of rings just by going through Mahomes that Mahomes has total
Amen!!!
Lol
Manning has 2 AB’s and 5 mvps but we’re saying Mahomes has suppressed Brady? Cmon now way too ealry.
Here come the biased Brady meatriders under every video that talks about Mahomes' greatness, with the "Brady beat Mahomes twice already" idiotic comment as if 1. Football is 1v1, not Offense vs Defense 2. Brady didn't get bailed out of throwing a GAME-LOSING INTERCEPTION by Dee Ford in the AFCCG 3. Mahomes didn't have 4 starting offensive lineman out for the SB and was pressured a SB record number of times yet was still making insane throws that Brady could never make 4. Mahomes wasn't in his FIRST and THIRD year starting and isn't way better now, while Brady had 15+ years of experience.
It's hilarious how awful of an argument that is, on so many levels (and why it's not used as a serious argument on TV by anyone who understands football).
But you're objective, right?
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He is 💯correct on every point!
31-9
@@bigchungus1848
Kiss the 💍.
17 points and shut out in the second half?! Really? Over this game?! This isn’t even close to his best performance this was MID for him. Still got a lot of rings to go but by all means ride that hype train
RC sounds like EVERY fan outside of KC 😂 Pinning their tail on another team (not even their own 🤦🏿♂️) to knock KC off of the throne.
Mahomes didn't have anywhere close to the defenses brady had. The Superbowl home game Brady won head to head wasn't to do with Mahomes. Mahomes made plays Brady could never dream of.
Mahomes joined a stacked team. Best te and wr in the league
@@markjackson5333u wasnt saying that 4-5 years ago stop it maholmes earned his name
@@SoCalOnTheBeat I was saying it the moment every chief fan became a bandwagon thinking he's god
Pats were a run first offense when Brady took over, and relied on their defense . That was common back then. Mahomes inherited elite talent at all skill positions, plus one of the best offensive minds ever. You can’t take away from Brady or mahomes. They’re both the unquestionable leaders of their teams.
@@aris_mendez mahomes joined a stacked team.lamar carried since day one as he had nothing. Lamar in chiefs gets 3 rings
According to Patrick Mahomes, he's not about to pass Tom Brady. He recently said that 7 SB wins still seems far off, and that asking if he's the GOAT shouldn't happen for another 15 years.
yall be glazing!!!!!
As far as pure talent and ability, Mahomes> Brady. It's like comparing Jordan to Bill Russell. Plus, you won't catch Mahomes drunk falling off of floats. It took Brady years before he started having success.
If lebron cant be the goat because of MJs 6 rings, Mahomes is in the same boat. Get 7 rings, then lets talk
Me didn’t loose in the finals. Tom has. But I agree, he needs more chips lol
He.s better
He doesn't cheat to win
Mahomes has the most versatile arm ever, he is top 5 ever at avoiding sacks, he is the best ever against the blitz, he is the best scrambler ever, top 10 strongest arms ever. if he played 15 years at or near this level his numbers, accolades, all pros and records will be diabolical. that along with 4 to 6 rings and 3 to 5 MVPs that is easily goat worthy
Defence gets flagged for touching him
@@markjackson5333 ok.
Best scrambler ever? Jesus, that’s really not a good take. Better than Mike Vick, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham, Lamar Jackson, Roger Staubach? What are you talking about?!
@@nomnsookeke4882 I think your thinking about just running or just rushing yards from a QB. Mahomes gets more results from his scrambling ability than any of those QBs. Russ and LJ are up there but Pat is more effective when the play breaks down than any of those guys easily. and any arguable take is not a bad take. and if u think he not the best scrambler ever then thats fine. thats your OP
They can’t compare Tom’s first 7 years to mahomes because mahomes has 3 years with 17 games . That gives him more yards and wins .
Mahomes even with more games than Brady still has less Ls
Then we can't compare Brady to qbs who only played 12, 14 games. At some point we gotta get past that
Brady is the goat. He beat Patrick twice. 10 Superbowls! So many things to list. It's not debatable.
just glad Orlovsky didn't claim that mahomes is the best 'football player' but burrows is the best 'quarterback' - what a BS statement
If Patrick mahome retire today he still behind Montana and peyton manning what the f are you people trying to put him up there .. we also seen Aaron roger be a great passer like Patrick
Sorry, Rodgers is the biggest choke job in the post season
Brady’s team was better but Patrick Mahomes a better player
Mahomes is 4-2 in AFC Champs and has 2 SB wins and 14 Postseasons Wins…
Tom is 9-4 in AFC Champs, 1-0 NFC Champs and has 7 SB wins and 35 postseason Wins
Mahomes lost both AFC champs and a SB to Tom
All hail the new 🐐 Mahomes 😂 (come back in 5-10 years with that statement)
He's played a 40 plus year old Brady in the playoffs twice and was the favorite in both games and lost! What else settles these things?
You people should give more credit to the defense. Offense did minimal. Just scraping by
Ye that part, so if the Chiefs lose using the media logic it’s all Mahomes fault
Now compare the first two seasons of Mahomes' and Purdy's career.
Mahomes had 5,097 Passing Yards in 16 Regular Season games, 50 Passing TD'S, won MVP & OPOY in his first full season as a starter.
@@jenniferaceste8823 and led his team to the Super Bowl that year?
@@stvmendez He went to OT in the AFCCG & lost. Took them to the SB in year 2 (W & SBMVP), year 3 (L), year 5 (1st QB THIS CENTURY to win MVP, the SB & SBMVP) & again in year 6. So this is his 4th SB appearance in 5 years).
@@jenniferaceste8823 Starting with your second sentence, add a year. Brock didn't get the benefit of a full redshirt rookie year. He got thrown into the fire and played great immediately. Patrick got to learn behind Alex Smith.
Not knocking Mahomes, he's the best today. Just pointing out that Brock is on a as-good trajectory at the start. Hoping he can follow through in the next few years like Mahomes did.
But also, I'll start acknowledging that Mahomes is on Brady's level around Super Bowl win number 5.
Ryan Clark u smokin😂
Who were Brady’s best weapons in those seven years?
He surpassed Brady at ring 8.
Head to head losses twice and trophies earned in Both. Brady did this
😂
So is Eli Manning better than Brady?
@@kingwhittman24 In the Super Bowl Head to Head you better believe he is
@@kingwhittman24 7>2 in terms of Ring Count. Eli was carried by his Defenses.
Anyone else skip ahead when Dan is talking?
Brady beat Mahomes when he was an old man with a team that had a losing record the year before with Jameis Winston. He threw for more yards and tds than Mahomes every year they both played. This is a silly debate. No way Mahomes will have Brady's longevity and ultimately longevity/durability will determine greatness as opposed to just being great. Mahomes relies on mobility and the second he loses a 1/2 step he will become Russell Wilson 2023.
Brady literally beat him. And got his 7th ring doing it: this isn’t a debate. It becomes a debate when Mahomes gets 7-8 rings and EVEN THEN it’s just a debate and Brady stills wins. Brady beat Mahomes
Brady’s the goat QB Pat is the best in this era because he’s not trying to be flashy and cute he plays straight up football move those dam chains…having said that I hate to say I’d still take Peyton over the two I can’t help it 😂 and the scariest playoff team is Eli and the giants my lord 😂
Keep in mind that we’re living in clout chasing times and these sports anchors and podcasters will say anything without any regard or respect for the legends that have played in different era that was not flag football! The word GOAT has no value or respect to it and it’s like a piece of candy that gets given out easily! 😂
Didn’t Brady send Mahomes home twice? Patrick has to win at least 5 super bowls to catch Brady
The two share the title for now, because Mahomes has superior short term numbers, then when Mahomes career is over we bestow the title on whoever has the highest long term numbers.
Noone shares the title you have to take the title and brady beat him twice so he'll never win the title unless he wins 8 super bowls
Brady is the undisputed GOAT !!!! Until Mahommes wins 7 it’s not a debate!!!
Patrick Mahomes my favorite qb but we gotta stop acting like he better than Joe Montana n Brady
Just give him a few more years. He’s pacing to break every single record and he just had his worst team of his career at least offensively.
@@deemity7557he’ll retire at 39.
@@giovannirodriguez4444 that may still be enough for Mahomes to track Brady down
He always played in the flag football league so sure he'll have stats LOL@@deemity7557
@@deemity7557 Brady still played longer.
She loves Patrick, got her the Patrick star chain.
If Brady’s MJ Patrick’s Kobe
Tim Brady was 10-0 in the postseason with 3 superbowl rings after year 4 Mahomes is in year 7 still trying to win his third GTFOH!!
Yea. If he gets 5 more championships. Brady is the goat.
Mahomes the goat of this era...
Mahomes is his own legacy.
Ryan Clark hit his head to many times
Patrick Mahomes will win more Super Bowls that Brady and he will do it without cheating
Patrick Mahomes already the GOAT honestly… ONLY thing left to prove is “Longevity”
He went up against the best defense and had 1TD and 0 points in the first half Chiefs defense Carried Mahomes against the ravens gtfoh!
I vividly recall the nfl doing everything in its power to dismantle the Patriots run, while they do everything to help the chiefs.
Don’t forget the OT rule change they made just for mahomes and the chiefs. They said they’re going to change another rule this offseason for them too.
* NFL isn’t letting Taylor Swift go to the Super Bowl and leave with a L.
They didn't change the OT rules when Patrick lost to Brady in the AFC Championship Game. It wasn't until Josh Allen lost to Mahomes. That's when the rule changed. Lol, very casual fan. 🤣
Not in the GOAT issue yet. He needs 4 more rings/2 more MVPs. Mahomes & Allen will be tied @ the end of their careers. Mahomes matches Peyton in managing the clock when behind in a game. Defenses can't take him out.
All mahomes has to do is just play another 6 years and stay healthy its game over 🔥🙀💯
Ryan clark brady did this every year
Mahomes needs eight rings to become the goat. Can't lose to Tom Brady twice in the playoffs and somehow become the goatwith less rings
mahomes can be in my opinion
If you think Mahomes needs 8 rings to be the goat. You’re not worth debating. You’re obviously bias. That’s like saying Russel is better than Jordan. If you make that agrgument you was probably born in the 30s 😂
He needs it because Brady has the head to head victories and they were both in the playoffs and one of them the championship. It’s not gonna be stats because Mahomes last 22 games he’s thrown for 33 TDs and 22 INTs. His trajectory has fallen off a cliff.