1965 BMW R60/2 - Why don’t BMW recreate this bike as a Modern Retro?
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Another opportunity to ride this wonderful 1965 BMW R60/2 came up at Haywards of Cambridge. A bike that was owned by Tim and was recommissioned by Haywards. Tim had recently bought it at Bonhams from a private museum/collection, The Anthony R. East Classic Motorcycle Collection. In the last video I thought given its age she went very well but Tim wanted it smoother and so it went back to Haywards for some additional tweaks. After this ride, I loved it so much I had to wonder why BMW don’t recreate this bike as a modern retro?
This BMW R60/2 was supplied to Slocombe's of Neasden and first registered on 30th December 1964. The machine was registered to its first owner, a Mr Dallen of Wood Green, North London on 8th January 1965. It was then bought by a Mr Minifie of Wednesbury, Staffordshire in 1968; registered by a dealer in 1970; and then sold to a Mr Davies of Brierley Hill in July 1971. Next owner Mr Billingham of Stourbridge purchased the BMW in May 1975. Tony East purchased the machine in 1994, the V5C recording the previous keeper as a Mr Toothill of Ruislip, who had acquired it in November 1989 (the old-style V5 records six former keepers prior to Mr Toothill.
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Type four-stroke, two-cylinder, air-cooled boxer
Bore/stroke 72 mm × 73 mm (2.8 in × 2.9 in)
Cubic capacity 594 cc (36.2 cu in)
Maximum power 30 hp (22 kW) at 5,800 rpm
Compression ratio 7.5 : 1
Valves per cylinder 2
Carburation system 2 Bing 1/24/125-126 od. 1/24/133-134 od. 1/24/151-152
Engine lubrication forced-feed lubrication
Oil pump gear pump
Power Transmission
Clutch single disc saucer spring, dry
Number of gears 4
Shifting foot shifting
Gear ratios 4.7 / 2.73 / 1.94 / 1.54 (with sidecar: 5.33 / 3.02 / 2.04 / 1.54)
Rear wheel ratio 1 : 3.13 or 1:3.38 (with sidecar 1 : 3.86)
Bevel/crown wheel 18 / 27 or 8 / 25 teeth (with sidecar 7 / 27)
Electrical System
Alternator Bosch LJ/CGE 60/6/1700 R
Ignition magneto ignition
Spark plugs Bosch W 240 T 1 or Beru 240 / 14
Suspension
Designation 245/1
Type of frame twin-loop steel tubular frame
Front suspension long swinging arm with strut and oil-pressure shock absorbers
Rear suspension long swinging arm with strut and oil-pressure shock absorbers
Wheel rims deep-bed 2.15 B x 18 at sidecar, rear 2.75C x 18
Tires front 3.50 x 18
Tires rear 3.50 x 18 ( with sidecar 4 x 18)
Brakes front drum brake, Ø 200 mm Duplex full hub
Brakes rear drum brake, Ø 200 mm Simplex full hub
Dimensions and Weights
Length x width x height 84 x 26 x 39 inches (2125 x 660 x 980 mm)
Wheelbase 55.7 inch (1415 mm; with sidecar 1450 mm)
Tank capacity 4.5 US gallon (17 L) / optional 6.5 US gallon (24.6 L)
Unladen weight, full tank 430 lb (195 kg; with orig. BMW sidecar 320 kg)
Load rating 360 kg (with orig. BMW sidecaR600 kg)
Performance
Idle/riding noise 81/82 DIN-phon (from June 1967: 74 / 95 dB (A))
Fuel consumption 47.0 MPG (ca. 5.0 L / 100 km)
Oil consumption ca. 0.5 - 1 L / 1000 km
Top speed 90 mph (145 km/h
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Nothing more soothing than a stress free ride on a comfortable bike that has a headlight that reflects the scenery as you pass by. I had a Honda VTX with a huge chrome headlight that had a reflection like watching the surface of a calm lake. This BMW reminds me of that feeling.
Thanks AD 😁 just wonderful 😁
I couldn't agree with you more!👍👍
Thanks C 😁
Oh yes - a new R60 retro would be wonderful - BMW have such engineering cleverness it might turn out to be the best of all the retros . . . Bring it on please 😊
I am certain it would 😁 thanks VRE😁
Wonderful bike! 😊 one to show up on bike nights!
@@BlakesPipes thanks Blake 😁
How times change, from memory the road tests back in the day heaped praise on the exceptionally good brakes. Also back in the day I can remember one old boy saying making silent gear changes on a BMW is like starting a Velocette first kick, easy when you’ve got the knack. One of the blokes in the bike club I was in bought one of these brand new with a matching Steib sidecar and we were all in awe of it, not least because of what it cost. Another cracking video.
“…and the controls fall easily to hand…”, is one I remember.
@@peterberris119 😂😂 excellent observations and memories 😁 thanks Peter 😁
@@alexwilsonpottery3733 😂😂😂 brilliant 😁
My birthyear so same as me the best year.
What a stunning bike. So beautifull. With a few adjustments, yes i would buy one in an instant. Thanks taym for taking us back to the years when they understand how a bike should look like.
@@berryslokker8949 absolutely 😁 thanks Berry 😁
Nice one TAYM, one of my favourite classics, love the very art deco styling.....😊
Absolutely spot on 😁 thanks H 😁
That bike is bomb!! Just watching you ride, you really get a sense of that true vintage vibe!!
@@tenorbanjoguy absolutely 😁 thanks TBG 😁
Stunning. A wonderful bike for a leisurely gentleman's ride 🥸🎩
@@iantownsend17 thanks Ian 😁
Bikes back then were designed as everyday transport and most of them were comfortable. These days, most bikes are a toy, used occasionally and are a fashion statement for many. Back in 1959 a bloke near me had a beautiful new R69; I used to drool over it. 👍
@@chrisweeks6973 absolutely 😁 thanks Chris 😁
Beautiful and well engineered bike
@@garryclarke-kray4071 exactly 😁 thanks GCK 😁
Lovely bike always been one of the most stylish bikes ever built. Hartest has to be one of the best looking villages with the pub and the church round the green, but there are so many to chose from in the Essex Suffolk boarder.
@@MalcolmStaines absolutely 😁 we are spoilt aren’t we 😁 thanks Malcolm 😁
Thanks for posting, Mr Taym. It's a great looking bike, really like the styling. It's almost like you've gone back in time on those country lanes on that bike
@@garrysmith9246 that’s exactly how it felt too 😁 thanks Gary 😁
What a lovely bike, I get the impression that you might have liked it, but I could be wrong 🤪
😂😂😂 thanks Bill 😁 what gave you that impression 😂😂😂
What a joyous video, empty country lanes with the sun shining on a beauty like that, wonderful 👍
@@markpercy4277 thanks Mark 😁
I'd love to see BMW reviving something like the early 1980's R65 ,middleweight light tourer , shaft drive, about 50bhp , classy but practical enough for modern riding .
@@jamescant6625 absolutely 😁 thanks James 😁
I think you’re 100% correct. As RE and others more recently have proved, there is most definitely a good market for mid sized 400-600cc simply engineered ‘retro’ bikes. I have no doubt BMW could re-create a basic R65 that would sell well if they do it at a competitive price. As the owner of a 1983 R100RS with over 100k miles on the clock I may be biased, but in reality it is all the bike you’d ever need. My friend (on his ‘83 RS) and I did a tour of Alpine passes this summer through France, Italy (including the Stelvio) Switzerland & Germany, 2500mls in 10 days and both bikes performed perfectly and let’s say that no modern bikes would have gone any faster! In the real world (outside of a racetrack) these bikes are all you need 👍
Exactly what I was thinking about and often dream of doing 😁 thanks R😁
Fantastic!
@@bikegeist thanks BG 😁
Great video, I'm a big fan of the old air-cooled BMW boxers twins, having owned a few over the years. These earlier bikes were the "Gentlemans" motorcycle and were an expensive bike at the time. They did a sporty one the R69s. The early MZ two strokes had the same bar mount indicators operated by an up and down switch, the big key that operated the ignition as well as the lights and earles type forks.
@@AliasMrHackenbacker excellent comment 😁 thanks D 😁
I visited Bulli Antique Motorcycle Weekend today, TAYM. Lovely selection, quite different from last year. Will have a vid up on Monday but I wish I had your knowledge to be able to talk about them.
@@MrMomo182 excellent 😁 thanks MrMo😁
Morning Taym 🎩 love this BMW, MZ ignition switch, indicators, and rear light 1960s brakes 😂 lift it up Taym that's tickled Charlie's fancy 😊👍
@@Ainsworth-Rider I think it did 😁😂😂😂 thanks AR 😁
I listed after a BMW from 1965 on but could never afford one I ended up on all sorts of used BSA and Trumpets to make do - such was life for a teenager in the mid sixties
If i could get my hands on a good old one I would o it today but the. Again same issue is cost
Great video vlog and thanks for the ride along
Regards from Florida🦩
@@johnfountain8588 thanks John 😁
This is one of the 'ok, shout up and take my money' moments 😁😁 .. Apart from all of the nice things, it is build to be a practical bike too.
@@Stefan_trekkie spot on 😁 thanks Stefan 😁
I watched Mark Pulling riding and reviewing an R18 just prior to watching this video on the R60/2 and the colour scheme, the chrome highlights, the simplicity and the beauty ( not to mention the character and sound) are all there.The R18 may be a little larger....
@@stevenwatling3160 consistency 😁😂😂 thanks Steven 😁
Morning TAYM , I'll finish this video later , what a beautiful bike , but you've triggered me to get out right now on Thumper for a ride 😅😅, catch you later ,
cheers Mel
@@melfzs thanks Mel 😁 have a great ride 😁
Beautiful bike, I think TAYM definitely needs a classic bike in his garage. Dunno what sort but I think it's definitely time.
@@Grumpy-Goblin 😂😂 me too 😁 just in time for winter😂😂😂 thanks Mike 😁
This motorcycle is elegant and extremely beautiful, as if it were made by Chanel.
@@QUEEN054DIAMOND exactly 😁 thanks QD😁
Tims a great mate letting you ride that wunderbar old Bimmer although looking at the mirrors, indicators, headlamp bar and other design features I do wonder how much pot some German bike design engineers smoked in the 60s. Weird but real Cool tho.Thanks TAYM. 😊😊
HOW'S the Breakdancing going Ray Dain?
I put some Oxford Anchorforce Ground Anchor in shed today 1 each for each bike 🏍. Brother brought HIS drill & 16mm drill bit round.They're not going anywhere in concrete forever now.Put ball bearing in on top of bolt & bang it down with a Punch so can't be undone & put caps over the top of them.
Daingun you mean...I'm entering the senior women's b.dance next Olympics...I might even qualify Mrs Tree says a trip to the dogs vet might be in order if I don't stop misbehaving.
@daintree2455 Yeah that's it Dain Gun 🔫.
@@daintree2455 he certainly is 😁 thanks DT 😁 one can only imagine 😂😂😂
Circa 1982 I borrowed I think an R75/5 or 65/5 can’t remember whilst honda cb750/4 bike was in for a valve check. I was horrified however riding at 60-65 was an utter delight. Cant push it as protested but pootling along with that lovely sound was a memory imprinted in my mind
Exactly 😁 and that’s what’s all about 😁 thanks Volt 😁
Nice video TAYM and a lovely bike. My 1970 Puch had exactly the same end of the handlebar indicators and same ignition switch/ key type. If BMW made it today as a modern retro they'd have to spoil it by tuning it to 60BHP and that would take away all the charm. Back in the day they were priced almost double what a Bonneville cost. So would you pay £18,000 to £20,000 for one. of course it will need disc brakes, ABS, fuel injection, traction control, LED lights, E-vap cannister, catalytic converter etc etc.
@@brockett all very true, sad, but true 🤔 thanks Dave 😁
Morning taym I remember that from the other video it’s such a beautiful bike how lucky you are to have a ride on that it would be a nice bike for the Gentleman’s Ride with a German uniform and helmet on absolutely amazing bike if they bought a copy of that today I bet it would be a limited number and cost the earth to have great video thanks taym
@@nicholasjarrold8649 definitely get a prison sentence under the current government 😂😂😂 thanks Nick 😁
A friend of mine, Bri’ had one and I’d often go out for a ride on my old Guzzi Falcone. 👏🤣
Blitz battery! 🙄 The war! Get over it man! Was a long time ago! 🙄🤣🤣
Speedo a little out! 🤣🤣 You Blumin’ modern bikers! 🤣🤣🤣
@@daviddavies5347 was Bri taller than you🤔😂😂😂
@@daviddavies5347 don’t mention the war Dave 🙄😂😂😂😂
@@daviddavies5347 😂😂😂
Yours has become one of my favorite channels… thanks and do crack on sir!
(no super thanks button? Like to stand you a pint!)
@@luckyintervale you are very kind sir 😁 thanks Lucky 😁
Morning TAYM sorry I’m a bit late ( I like a lying on a weekend 😜) lovely looking beemer sounded marvellous and I could see you on one 🤪 keep up the good work carry on that man Caio for now tat ta👍🏻
Thanks HN 😁
I agree, i would buy one too
Thanks Mark 😁
Well done Tim and well done TAYBMWM. ( Doesn't roll off the tongue the same does it?).😂
Looking forward to the day when Fritz or Hans joins Bertie in your garage. 😂
@@ed.barker7069 😂😂😂 thanks Ed 😁
What a Beauty.
Wildlife Moto rebuilt a 1981 R100 recently on HIS channel & is mint.
@@ruahinesrider certainly is 😁
She's a bit "WOW " TAYM those mirrors make me think of mountains goats floppy ears "a bit strange I know " but what a bike .👌👍
@@crumblymal8479 😂😂😂😂 thanks Crumb 😁 spot on 😁
Well I think it boils down to environmental issues Mr TAYM, as to why BMW doesn't produce a modern version of the 65' R60/2.
Everyone would want an upgraded/modern version. Think about all the resources that would go into Billions of these bikes sold world wide. We'd have to start harvesting the asteroid belt, the moon, maybe Mars just to meet demand.
Knowing BMW they'd charge $35,000 US for it. BMW would become the dominant corporation/World Government and 2/3 of the World's population would work for them.
Mayhem, pure mayhem...
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In all honesty, this has become one of my top 10 bikes ever produced, it's a wonderful bike to look at and listen to.
Like another post mentioned, it's a 65, same year as me. So, it has to be vunderbar!
Have a great weekend everyone!
BTW, thanks to Tim for allowing you to ride/film for us to see this amazing bike.
@@pinkiewerewolf thanks PW 😁 yes, that’s the problem 🤔 😂😂
@@pinkiewerewolf absolutely 😁
@@TAYM 😂👍
The R60 certainly is an old classic, perhaps a little too old and classic to meet my needs in a bike but then perhaps I'm overly concerned with "chasing speed" 😂 I remember taking a shine to a more modern R100 in the local BMW dealers, perhaps fueled by the fact they were the police bikes of that era. As I'm maturing ( getting old) I can appreciate the joys of ambling along admiring ones surroundings. When I started my biking journey I had little choice but to do that, my first bike being the Raleigh Wisp. Look it up if you don't remember it, that'll give you a chuckle 😊😂
I do remember it but for some reason can’t picture you on one 😂😂😂 I wonder if AI could create one 😁 thanks GW😁
@@TAYM I did take some stick from observers when I was on it, my six foot frame on what basically was a folding bike with an engine and a pint pot for a petrol tank. It didn't help that I was wearing an over sized second hand Bell full face helmet. Still it was my pride and joy as I did two weeks of back breaking work picking potatoes to pay for it.
Being stuck in a big lorry's back draft in driving rain without the power to pass was a nightmare. I eventually graduated up to a Puch M50 Sport, which with it's large engine fins looked more like a 125. I made myself a denim cut off with a hand painted image of a famous cartoon character and the title " Road Runner" 😂
@@greywolf9292 😂😂😂😂 brilliant 😂😂😂 thanks GW 😁
They're Red Baron moustache mirrors. A fantastic old bike, the modern ones still sound quite similar and they obviously haven't changed the gearbox design in 60 years 😁
@@5dTraveller 😂😂😂 thanks 5DT 😁
Gerry giving to us again, I thought we were friends now
@@paulsilson2148 😂😂😂😂
Lovely old BMW. What a joy to ride I would imagine.
Do you think Tim would have noticed if you had just taken it home?😊
@@davidnunnerley9084 😂😂😂 I think he might 😂😂😂 thanks Dave 😁
That's a stunning bike. I'd love to have a go, you're a lucky having a play on that 👍
@@exeterrider thanks ER 😁
Yes Taym, I’d buy one as well, a 180 kg 650 to 750 air/oil twin, simple light with some classic styling
But I frankly doubt they are capable of doing it. No one else seems to have done it other than triumph and RE
@@Paul-kp1tu Kawasaki managed it but I think it was a lost leader, 🤔 spot on Paul 😁
You can see why BMW got the reputation for quality back in the day. I’m biased as a BMW fanboy I’m on my 5th over 20 years but the build quality from years ago was second to none although a bit agricultural 😂😂. Would a retro of it do well nowadays? I’m not sure I don’t think the pricing would be competitive enough.
@@andrewdyson4255 thanks Andrew 😁 mid size is very popular now, as is Retro, selling almost 2 or 3 times the rate of anything else 😁 it’s the price that’s the issue. 😁
Pure champagne vloging!!!!
😂😂😁 thanks Q😁
Brilliant video, what a cracking old girl. Hope Stuart fillingham isn't nasty to you about them Mickey mouse mirrors like he seems to be nasty to everyone that doesn't agree with him nowadays. 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 spot on 😂😂😁😁 thanks Trev 😁
Brakes are overrated anyway 😂. I bet that you have never had a problem seeing past your knees in the rear view mirrors before🤣. Two modes available, start and stop and thankfully no quick shifter. It looked like a fun bike! 👍👍. I loved it, although probably too much power for modern road conditions 😁😁.
@@GapBahnDirk 😂😂😂😁 no I haven’t 😂😂thanks GBD 😁
very nice bike. I rode russian bikes for many years. This one is basically the same except 100x better made ;)
Thanks Uncle 😁
Yes please, where do I sign up for one. 👍
@@thesilverfoxtravels6653 thanks Foxy 😁
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@@paulwatts905 thanks Paul😁
I agree TAYM although I would say an R90 from the 70's would be the bike to base a modern retro on ... of course BMW would say they already make that bike with the R nine T but IMO it's not anywhere near retro enough.
@@WyreForestBiker exactly right David 😁 the two big selling areas this year have been mid size engines and retro. Combine the two and it should fly 😁 thanks David 😁
A lot more usefull than that enormous monstrosity r19 thing ,form over function poser junk ,not a fan of stuff like that can you tell Mr TAYM. Older BMW quality bikes , the bloody roads man are they actually trying to kill us off ! Take care Mr TAYM 👍
@@kevbaldwin9552 exactly 😁 thanks Kev 😁
I suppose i could put up with it 😂😂
@@keithrogers2107 😂😂😂 thanks Keith 😁
it rides nice ;; but if bmw were to make it again - the tooling , the brake upgrades -- which would need forks to handle them ,, emissions e.t.c. the cost would be more than the gdp of a small country ,,, for the 10 people that would actually buy it ;;; so savour it while you can ;;;
😂😂😂😂😂 brilliant and possibly true 😁 thanks Simon😁
That's right why don't they make stuff like this anymore: short answer they want ya to take it to the stealership so they can make money off ya. See has to be over 50 years old and still ticking like a well maintained watch. Way to turn mickey on his head😂😂🎉.
@@jaysinhoffner2134 yes, good point 😁 thanks Jay 😁
Bmw should not recreate this bike,as like all the other imitators, it waters down the spirit,leaving us with a poor imitation of the original idea.
😂😂😂😂 there is that too 😂😂thanks Dean😁
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No sleep,no food phone📱in hand 24/7.
@@ruahinesrider As it should be! You sleep you lose! 🤣
Erste RR, sehr gut. Ich bin spat und es eine schone BMW ist (seemed appropriate for magnificent BMW)... and who doesn't love a boxer 2,4 or 6 cylinder I know I do.
@@ruahinesrider excellent 😂😂
BMW could produce a bike like this nowadays . After all , Moto Guzzi are able to make a bike very reminiscent of their 1960s and 1970s machines .
One could say that the R18 is that bike and certainly it is the only good looking bike that BMW have made in 50 years . But the R18 is a power cruiser and a bit too much for most of us who want a practical "everyday" machine.
If BMW were to make a replica R60 , they would probably make it in China .😮
With a quick shifter ( for those who can't operate engine speed clutches ) and 3 ride modes :
sepia ( for the nostalgic experience ) ,
blitz black and white ( for the lightning fast experience ) and
teknicolor panorama ( for the laid back cinematic full armchair life experience ).
The bike could also have radar , but that is a secret .🤫
Plus the usual ABS , TCU , Bluetooth , TFT and tyre pressure monitoring etc etc etc .
BMW are hooked on teknology .
Rather takes the fun out of it I think .🥲
@@dungspreader sadly I agree 😁 thanks DS😁
When bmw still made proper bikes!😊
Exactly 😁 thanks William 😁