At the time, journalists mentioned a famous moment when they first saw Ali stand next to Sonny Liston... The idea was that Liston was the bigger stronger guy, and Ali was the skinny, pretty boxer... But then they met at the center of the ring to touch gloves, and everyone saw that the "skinny" Ali was not only taller but had comparably wide shoulders.
Right. On film you perceive him to be a lanky, fast guy but he was way bigger than the average person. 6'3, 225-230 lbs. He had pretty wide shoulders and thick muscular legs.
mmmmmm yeah but fighters that aren't assholes are usually too humble to say "yeah I'd beat his ass." Ali said that Tyson would knock him out, and Tyson to this day maintains that Ali would knock him out, so... I dunno. I think booce would beat ali.
He did give himself a chance in a street fight where he could kick but yeah Lee said it wasn't much of a chance and compared their hand size to illustrate that point.
It's not verified that Bruce Lee actually said this. It's just hearsay of hearsay. This was what Robert Clouse (Enter the Dragon director) said in a book written many years after Lee's death that Bruce Lee said to Bolo Yeung (Bad muscled guy in Enter the Dragon) when he visited Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. As Robert Clouse was a noted bs artist, the same guy who spread around a false rumor that Bruce Lee wanted to kill Bob Wall after an accident on set involving a glass bottle that cut Bruce's hand, and the fact that he just didn't like Bruce Lee very much, I take this particular claim with a pinch of salt.
Some people don't want to admit that Ali would win purely due to the fact that he out weighs Bruce lee by a bunch. We have weight classes for a reason folks.
also the fact that Ali is FAST AS HELL compared to a small man, his punches+his feet are fast his jab would reach Bruce Lee first before Lee can kick him
@@user-ok7kz8ru2q Ali's footwork and side way stance could work in a kickboxing fight plus Ali knows how to clinch and hold that's a MASSIVE advantage in a fight, especially against someone smaller Ali himself said that he had a school bully that he beat in a boxing match but said he'd probably get beaten by him in a real fight because his bully is bigger, stronger and can just wrestle him If you want evidence that Ali's stance and footwork can work in a kickboxing fight, look up "Samart Payakaroon" highlights
The funny thing about ali is that his career was spurred by Theft of his bike and ended by a burglary into his home, got him beat up and destroyed his self confidence, with this ended his career.
@MOMOHAJI585 if you watch him rope a dope Foreman you'll see him use double knife hands. He would frame with the lead arm and trap one of Foreman's arms with his rear. Ramsey has made an excellent argument that double knife hands are a collar tie. The way Ali uses the double knife hand isn't far off from a collar tie.
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I’m a 5’7 150lb Asian guy who’s been training martial arts ever since I was a kid. As much as it sucks to say unless you have a MASSIVE skill gap, size is usually enough to get the job done. 100lb and one foot of height is a huge advantage. That’s like a college athlete fighting a middle school student.
Wait. Size isn't enough tho. A small trained fighter can absolutely beat a big untrained guy, no doubt. But here we are talking about one of the greatest boxe champion of all times!
Forget the weight class difference. Just the fact that Bruce Lee had virtually no professional fighting record, while Ali fought and beat all the heaviest hitters of his day should be enough for me to know where I put my money, even if they were the same weight.
To me it comes down to this, Bruce Lee was an actor who was skilled in Martial Arts,while Ali was not only alot bigger than Lee,but was also a Professional and conditioned combat athlete. So if I was going to bet (and I never do) I would put mine on the Professional.
Bruce Lee was a martial artist who later became a martial arts action star when he went back to Hong Kong in 1971 and made movies for a year and a half* There. I fixed it for you.
Couple of notes: 1) Antonio Inoki was a pro wrestler 2) you mentioned Ali fought 12 rounds. Back in his day, they actually fought 15. Other than that, love this video.
@@cloudmaster182 Kind of. Yes, it was WWE style professional wrestling but in Japan in those days the style was more oriented to being an actual combat sport. They were pro wrestlers but they could actually fight and were trained by catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz.
To anyone who questions this, you've gotta see Ali vs Liston and Ali vs Frazier and Ali vs Foreman. Ali is a picture perfect athlete who's missing nearly no important attribute. He's not the strongest but he was knocking everyone out in his prime. He has sufficient power, and more than enough to beat Bruce Lee. He's a heavyweight, the most heavy weightclass there is. And also Ali has reflexes, footwork, defensive speed, offensive speed, stamina, chin, and heart. Even in an unfavorable stylistic matchup, you cannot understate how much damage Ali is able to absorb. The only standout characteristic from Bruce Lee is that he can kick. If Ali fought someone who excelled in grappling, that'd be a different story. But someone who is very light and we just add kicking? That doesn't add much. Above all else, Ali can be called a real fighter. He's been in the ring with people who had violent intentions and the actions that went with that.
Ali vs prime Tyson. That's would be a great fight! Also for the fact that Ali was an out boxer and Tyson an in-fighter, i don't really could guess who will win
@@christophernewton8474 Ali faught wrestlers and kickboxers leading up to his match with Antonio Inoki, he wasn't clueless about mixed martial arts - the match itself was a s#itshow but Ali's leadup work was no joke.
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestling legend, and the Ali vs. Inoki fight is an absolutely fascinating story, even though the match itself ended up being a farce. Definitely worth looking into and maybe even making a video out of it (?) if you can figure out a good way to do that.
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
This. Ali didn't know how to take leg kicks, and probably wouldn't have known how to defend a takedown. If Li could kick him enough and then take him down, he could win. That assumes that Li could avoid Ali's far superior striking power.
Ali was not only larger, but he wasn't just some big *"Gym bro."* He was a world class heavyweight boxer during a time where the fights would go on for 15 rounds; against other world class heavy weights. He was big, indeed, but Ali was very fast with them hammers.
"Tao is a random collection of some of Bruce's notes. No one can learn JKD from there. Even some of movie fight choreography made it into that book." - Thomas Marx [Original JKD Instructor]
I agree with Seth's assessment, but Lee does have a chance if it's kickboxing in a pretty large ring. I'm still giving it to Ali 4 out of 5 times, though. He's not just a big boxer, he's one of the greats.
Someone as big as Ali wouldn’t be able to move in the same way or have the same sort of speed that Bruce Lee had. What Bruce could do, due to his weight and size, is far more impressive than anything Ali could do. We are talking about a guy who was 5 ft 7 1/2 that could hit as hard as a heavyweight, move like an Olympic fencer and kicked like a horse. There is less than 1% of guys his size and weight that has these sort of attributes. It’s incredibly rare. This is why there are so many naysayers about Bruce Lee. You just don’t see guys this size with these sort or attributes, you might see someone who is fast, or maybe hits hard, but not someone who has all of these qualities combined. And he didn’t compete in sport, so you have to understand this is someone who training was geared completely for survival and not scoring points. It’s a combination of things. Genetics and training like a fanatic 25/30 hours a week for years on end, training in such a way as to train the muscles used to execute the movement/technique more efficiently and explosively. How Bruce Lee trained and what he did was very unorthodox, even by today’s standards.
Bruce was a light weight that never fought a professional bout, or hardly competed in general. I love Bruce, but I'm not even sure if he could have beaten Inoki..
Also check out the sparring that Bruce Lee and Joey Orbillo had, who is a professional heavyweight boxer who dropped Ken Norton. Orbillo will tell you differently.
Bruce Lee, when asked if he could beat Muhammad Ali in a fight, supposedly had this to say: "Look at my hand... that's a little Chinese hand. He'd kill me."
A fight like this already happened in the 70's. A catch wrestler fought Ali in shooto. He spent most of the time on his back, kicking Ali's legs and it ended in a draw. Grappling would be Bruce's best chance, and a well-rounded grappler couldn't get it done. A speed advantage is also a physical advantage though. Lawrence Kenshin has a vid about a Thai boxer who destroyed giants. One of the fights, both guys were doing the right thing. Thai fighter was throwing roundhouse to head, bigger guy anticipated it, started throwing an overhand right, before the thai guy started kicking, but he still didn't make it fast enough. He took the kick to the dome, with all the added momentum of his own punch, got KO'd. Bruce's chances would be higher than 0%, but to say higher than 50% is straight dellusion.
@@senseisethreacts I watched about 10 seconds. You didn't put Subway Surfers in the background. I was a couple seconds away from the Inoki part when I commented. Came back and watched it all.
“Leg kick” lol. Bruce Lee didn’t attack “sport” targets. You aren’t stopping anyone that size with a leg kick. Waste of time. Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps. A hit to any of these places, no matter how big someone is, will stop them. And if the leg is snapped. They will definitely be unable to fight.
I was a freshman in high school for UFC 1, and also a new wrestler. My dad got the PPV and we watched the beginning. It was nuts to watch the sport evolve at the same time I did.
As a welterweight, I boxed against a cruiserweight once. We were both 6' tall and I had a reach advantage. For the majority of the first round, I was able to stay out of range and tag him repeatedly. Near the end of the round, he realized that there was literally no way for me to knock him out and just walked me down, and I saw a right hand that was coming over the top of my guard, and the next instant I experienced was standing back up. I don't remember him ever landing a single hit on me, but I had to stand back up multiple more times. That size difference is even bigger. Any time Cassius landed a punch, Bruce's soul would leave his body.
I had the same experience, only I was featherweight and the guy I sparred with was middleweight. He was only a few inches taller than me. Tagged him a few times in the first round because since I was lighter, I was faster. And then he finally decided to power through (I mean he was holding back), I only saw an over hand right at the last second and I was down. It only took one punch. I got hit by guys around my weight before, I can pretty much hold up. And I was knocked down by a guy my weight before as well, but being punched by someone way heavier was different. The world was literally spinning when I got hit.
Although I do agree in your scenario, as you are both boxers, the only thing I will say is that as Bruce Lee did train mma, IF he did kick Ali in the legs it would be a long day for Ali. So it would be about who hits who first because realistically if Ali punched Bruce it would be a long day for him
(Talkin about boxing) Well... depends. Generally speaking you're right. But if the shorter guy is pretty strong, if he's fast in fighter with heavy punches things are way different. Don't forget Tyson (and many others) has beat much taller and heavier boxer.
I’m a big fan of both Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali. Both were phenomenal athletes who revolutionized martial arts in their own ways which is why I have to be realistic and do them both justice. The “strikers chance” would give Bruce Lee a chance… but Ali would win 9 times out of 10 due to physical size, strength, experience fighting many 15 round boxing matches against a variety of opponents AND the fact that people forget that Ali himself was a highly skilled expert martial artist in his own right. All this is aside from one of Bruce Lee’s coworkers quoting Bruce outright stating that Ali would beat him.
Hey @senseisethreacts ! I think this was a really good dive into this classic matchup, I think it would be super cool if you reacted to this guy called Togo Ishii; he's like the only legit legit JKD guy i've seen on the internet, and his teacher was supposedly a disciple of bruce lee. He actually does real sparring in his videos as well as demos, dude is crazy fast and really shows the potential of JKD!
@@wambokodavid7109 you mma cultists and sport fanboys should start a “I hate Bruce Lee” fan club. You should start a Bruce Lee hater club and invitee all the haters on here so you can all congregate and talk bullshit together about how much you hate a guy who did more and accomplished more than you ever will.
Purely speculating here, but in a straight boxing match I 100% agree Ali takes it. And even in kickboxing/Muay Thai- style match 100lbs and 7 inches is a hell of a hurdle to overcome. MMA I think the gap closes a little further. I could see Bruce Lee deciding to focus entirely on leg kicks, throws, and submissions in his training camp and catching Ali with something he's never seen before, BUT, I could also see Bruce declaring beforehand that he's going to knock Ali out with a kick or something equally wild, and then getting locked into a sub-optimal strategy. Street fight I think might actually be Lee's best bet. As you pointed out, Lee would absolutely embrace the Dale Gribble mentality. He'd be biting, throwing things, picking up improvised weapons, using gymnastics and parkour BS to maneuver to high ground. And I think with his life at stake Lee would be less likely to showboat but Ali would be less likely to view a guy Lee's size as a serious threat. If I had to go gambler's odds I'd give 30/1 in Ali's favor in a boxing match, 10/1 or 7/1 in a kickboxing match (depending on specific ruleset), somewhere between 5/1 and 2/1 for an MMA fight (depending on what kind of strategy the two of them implemented for their pre-fight training); and 1/1 in the street fight. Mostly because I see Bruce Lee as being more likely to shank somebody with a broken bottle than Muhammad Ali.
That makes sense. Bruce Lee grew up in a gang, street fighting. I doubt they were doing weigh-ins or anything before they squared up, so I doubt a size difference would be anything new to him. The main thing would be Ali's skill-set in that situation. Bruce may have faced skilled fighters, and he may have faced bigger guys. But how many times did he face someone that big AND that skilled?
@@axelstone3131 He did when he was competing in a sport ruleset. And a kickboxing/muay thai style leg kick isn't just a "sport target". There's a reason they're so popular in MMA.
HELL NO Bruce Lee wouldn’t beat Muhammad Ali. Bruce Lee HIMSElF said that Ali would kill him. He’s been quoted on it. Bruce Lee was no fool. He was highly intelligent and a realist. The non martial artists that never fought combat sports and go on Movies NEVER ask how Bruce Lee would do against Duran , Sugar Ray Leonard, MannyPacquiao, …while we’re at it, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler-or even At Heavy weight George Foreman, Holyfield,Frazier??? Those fans keep watching Dragon Ball Z, StreetFighter , whatever. Bruce himself said the size difference alone would be enough to beat him-against a HEAVYWEIGHT that could move as fast as him. These same fans still think the ‘Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchucks is real. That’s all u need to know how educated they are on real fighting. And on top of that the greatest punchers in history couldn’t knock out Ali. Bruce wouldn’t do it either. This isn’t even a debate. This is coming from someone that idolizes Bruce Lee. Pound for pound, total athlete, strategist, martial artist, movie star, philosopher, icon.
I honestly want more people to debate on Bruce lee vs Mas oyama, since Oyama created Kyokushin and has helped karate stay in the picture as well as breed many legendary mma fighters and kickboxers with a Kyokushin background, it would be nice to have more people bringing light to that.
I think Muhammad Ali would have won, even though Bruce Lee was fast and definitely had martial arts knowledge, I think Muhammad Ali would have won in a freestyle fight. I think that superior kicks would not have hurt and hindered Muhammad Ali, who was certainly fast for his weight. After all, Bruce Lee himself said that Muhammad Ali would beat him.
I don't believe anyone thinks Ali beats bruce. The reason I say that is because the people who say Ali beats bruce, keep regurgitating the Bruce lee said Ali wins? But no suprise your too scared to admit you know full well bruce said in the ring Ali beats him and in street he kills Ali
@@iluvcliffrichard Of course, I will not claim that Muhammad Ali would beat Bruce Lee, especially because Bruce Lee had a lot of knowledge and practice in martial arts and I myself read his book, which is also my inspiration in martial arts, and it is quite possible that Bruce Lee would win. But if you take away the myth of Bruce Lee in a street fight, which in itself is very chaotic, where one punch decides everything, and you have to survive being attacked by Muhammad Ali, if you've ever been in a street fight, then you know that high kicks and others attractive moves too often fail in a fight of a few seconds. I really think that Bruce Lee would have a chance against Muhammad Ali, he would have a chance in all formats except boxing, but again you have to be realistic, on the street and in MMA, Bruce Lee would have to have very good tactics and sense to emerge victorious, especially on the street.
Another factor, not mentioned,in Ali’s favour is full contact combat experience. He is used to getting hit and has a very good chin. Bruce Lee was not. Maybe he had some experience taking shots during training, but traditional martial arts had a tendency to not have full contact sparring. That is one of the reasons traditional martial arts masters lose to mediocre mma fighters. They had no experience sparring, especially hard sparring. Mohamed was hit by some of the hardest punchers in the history of planet earth. He did not go down. He is not just some regular big guy. Bruce was a martial artist. Ali was a fighter. One can take an much harder headshot than the other, guaranteed.
@@JonasCelestine0From a guy that can generate as much force as Bruce or more, no more than one for sure. According to his students Lee punched like a Heavyweight Boxer, kicked like a Stallion & moved liked an Olympic Fencer. Might I also add that Lee didn't train for much prolonged encounters, for him it was one shot & done; he would only follow up if he had to. "One motion & he's gone" - Bruce Lee "Always maintain the attitude of defeating the enemy with one strike." - Miyamoto Musashi [The Book of Five Rings] "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." - Sun Tzu [The Art of War] "His [Bruce Lee] belief that a fight should not take over two seconds was basic to his discoveries. The longer the fight, the more chance for luck to come into play. Bruce wanted to control the outcome, not hope that he was going to be lucky. One of the most important concepts that Bruce shared with me was that you could become a master of a few techniques, but never a lot. He felt that if you could define the elements of a fight and design techniques to directly overwhelm them, then you were developing the ultimate system. If the total list of techniques did not exceed ten, then becoming a master of them was very realistic." - James Demile The reason why Bruce was so distraught after his fight with WJM was because of this, Lee was unable to catch WJM who was running away. It took too much time for Lee to win the fight. After understanding the limitations of his "modified Gung Fu," [Modified Wing Chun] Lee switched to "Fencing with hands & feet." [JKD] If you want to get a good idea as to why Lee switched to "Fencing with hands & feet," checkout my playlist titled "Fencing & JKD." P.S. The 3 primary targets of JKD are eyes,groin,kneecaps & the 3 principles of JKD are simplicity,directness & efficiency. Lee's intention behind his training was to go from point A [weapon] to ponit B [target] as quickly as possible & finish the encounter swiftly. Btw Lee actually took a lot of punishment in a fight in H.K. when he was young, read John Little's book titled "Wrath of the Dragon : the real fights of Bruce Lee" for more information. I think this fight in H.K. was the one where Lee discovered the "reaction lag time." "He [Bruce Lee] discovered that it is impossible to block the punch of a person standing within arms reach if he doesn't telegraph the move. The same thing applies to kicks thrown within leg reach." - Jesse Glover "A study of human reaction time shows that it takes too long for a response message to reach the part of the body that should respond if the attacker is within touching distance. Unless the attacker telegraphs, it is impossible to know when the attack is coming, & by the time it is seen it is too late to move out of the way." - Jesse Glover The average reaction time [to visual stimulus] of a human being is about 0.25 Seconds. If you stand within the touching distance of someone & try to touch them [without telegraphing even if you go slow] that person wouldn't have enough time to react & prevent you from touching him. Also if the roles were reversed & you had to prevent the other person from touching you the result would be the same. Now this is what is called the "reaction lag time." Sorry for the long comment, Cheers!👍
I think without gloves, no holds barred is Bruce Lee's best scenario and it's probably 40/60 for Bruce. The sheer size difference combined with the fact that Ali is WAY faster than a heavyweight has any right to be is a tough combination to overcome. Still knockout power is a real thing and Bruce Lee is extremely fast. He can deliver a knuckle or a heel where it needs to be with incredible speed and timing. There's always a chance and that environment is as far from what Ali has been training for as possible (terrain, equipment, rules etc). I think if pride had been around in the 70s Bruce Lee would have become famous for cleaning up the 145 division and revolutionized sports nutrition a decade or two earlier.
Just wanted to add that boxing gloves are a huge part of boxing; you have to change your guard, the fist you make and your distance/timing and all of that would shave away at alis advantage. Small things but depending on the scenario it all adds up.
I think it’s a far more interesting discussion than most people would give it credit for being, but at the end of the day I just think that Ali could take more punishment and last longer than Bruce in most scenarios.
I'm a self professed Bruce Lee fanboy, I'm 90/10 in favor of Ali. Bruce was fast, but so was Ali. Bruce was strong for his size, but Ali was bigger. Both had incredible endurance. Change their size to equal, odds go to 60/40 Ali. At the end of the day, Bruce Lee was a pioneer, but Ali was a professional fighter.
It's difficult to say, purely because we've never seen Bruce fight outside of that sparring clip where it was clearly very light and prior to Bruce's main development as a Martial Artist. We've all heard of the sparring rumours and legends he was involved in too. Logically, I'd think the one with the greater skillset and options available to him (Lee) would win, but we can only guess. Ali was a hell of a fighter and mover, and the weight advantage would be a challenge that while less relevant in a street fight, still poses a problem.
@@jagger_claw🤣 these guys are clowns. You can’t educate them. “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” -Mark Twain
A fairer comparison would be a world champion professional racer to a world renowned stunt driver. Both are drivers but have very different skill sets.
@@axelstone3131 Why? Racing Drivers and Stunt Drivers both drive, but in very different ways. Ali and Bruce both do martial arts but used them in very different ways.
Have to give it to Bruce for being able to convince generations that he was somehow the best fighter on the planet despite having never actually fought once. Thinking Lee could beat any professional fighter at any level is ridiculous. He was an actor and the only people to have ever vouched for his fighting prowess were other actors and or celebrities. People idolize and picture Bruce as this mythical being because that's what Hollywood does best. Bruce could probably beat up a regular Joe easy enough just through pure athleticism but I mean so could Seth. But anyone who thinks a 5"8 148 lbs man is giving a heavyweight champion boxer any kind of trouble is delusional beyond measure.
13:10 oh damn, that 1st MMA fight Savate vs Sumo Is a shame that the sumo guy Lost that fast only After some Palm strike, i really Wish he could have done at least some headbutt or takedown Is even worst when you realize that people that don't know sumo , use that clip to show that "Sumo doesn't work" while in reality Sumo have a lot to offer as you have shown to us several time Seth. Justice for Sumo! (Why the hell, there Is no Sumo emoji???)
I love Bruce lee and Jeet Kune Do concept, but people must stop to Overrating him like that How people really Think he can Dodge a bullet? 😂 But Also Is sad that or Bruce Is overrated asf or he Is Underrated asf Very few people actually rating him right ( like Seth in this video, nice job) 👍
Ali disse em seu depoimento no livro O Kung Fu de Bruce Lee: "Morreu o único ser humano capaz de me vencer", então Bruce dizer q Ali o Mataria, nada quer dizer, apenas expressa admiração mútua. Ali era mto mais pesado, Bruce, mto mais completo e essa seria a primeira vez na vida q Ali se confrontaria com um oponente mais rápido, enquanto Bruce fazia Sparring com Bob Wall e Joe Lewis, mto mais pesados q ele. Aposto em Bruce.
Let’s do this, Muhammed Ali advantages: Heavier Taller More powerful Had a speed of a middleweight Great range control Was a outside fighter Longer reach Bruce Lee advantages: Better weapon arsenal Super fast Was lightweight Seeing these stats, I would say Bruce Lee probably has the same speed level as Muhammed Ali maybe even significantly higher than Muhammed Ali, now if Bruce got close enough to Ali he can chop up those legs with leg kicks which would make Ali unable to fight properly, however Ali was great with his range control and was a outside fighter which meant he would not let his opponents get close to him. Ali has a longer reach making him able to hit Bruce Lee more and Bruce would have to be strategic to get close to him. In my opinion Muhammed Ali wins, he was more powerful and is heavier and taller than Lee. He has great range control making it impossible for Lee to attack his legs as he would keep getting hit with those punches.
@@AndreaOldSchoolboxing no one said he doesn't know how to fight. It's just that the skill scale is so great that the difference between an amateur fighter/a pro fighter/a national champ/a world champ and mohammed freaking ali is insane. And it's just not something you can experience without fighting the bests of the bests so I don't think you can bring your skill level anywhere close to Ali without fighting competitively.
@@DenterNu but i not doubt win Ali, but Remember Bruce lee Is also street fighter, him many times fight in street, when young boy and also After, i Just Say Bruce lee Is not only a actor, but Is actor and also martial arts master.
Ali wins like... 90% of the time (the 10% of the time being a pendulum hook kick to the beanbag). But people forget, Bruce also knew how to box (and ultimately studied Ali's footwork to incorporate into his own stuff), and trained grappling with Gene LeBell.
When you are smaller, the long range strikes like kicks become quicker. The nearest target for kicking is closer: opponent's knee instead of abdomen and thigh, and the liver and solar plexus are closer to shoulder height for punching reach. You're also moving less mass: change direction quicker, and spend less energy during the distance game, which can drag on as long as you want with no rounds or judge's scorecard. Ali would still easily win unless he goofed. Size is a big advantage, but not so huge as some people think. Especially in wide open spaces. I say this as someone who has learned the frustrations of sparring with highly skilled and athletic smaller guys.
@@wooshifgay462Lee did carry both a blade & a gun with himself. "I was a punk & went looking for fights, we used chains & pens with knives hidden inside." - Bruce Lee “I loaned Bruce one of my own guns, a very small ‘antique’ Colt .25 Caliber semi-automatic pistol with black handle-grips, He carried that piece for at least a couple of years." - Skip Ellsworth He also wore shoes with aluminium attached to them so he could target the opponent's knees,shins,ankles & cause more damage.
I have no idea why people keep asking this question. An actor with a bad back who had no fighting experience worth speaking of, vs a world class heavyweight fighter. Putting Bruce Lee against ANY pro-fighter (or even a modern amateur fighter) is a colossal mismatch. But for some ridiculous reason people keep putting him up against some of the best fighters ever. Nothing whatsoever in Bruce Lee's skillset or experience would prepare him for coming under serious attack from a professional fighter. Bruce Lee was a hobbyist. Not a fighter. It IS 0%, unless Bruce Lee has a gun. Nothing he could do to Ali would realistically hurt him; not enough to stop him destroying Bruce Lee with the first punch he threw.
As a BJJ guy who use to rely on my cardio and athleticism… one thing I learned after joining a couple LEGIT competitive gyms is that relying on the other dude “getting tired” isn’t always a thing. Like, Jeff Chan kinda dudes don’t really “get tired”. They DO, but yeah. Some dudes got a LOT of gas in the tank and know how to pace themselves etc.
1:25 *Squat Anyone who's sparred or fought competitively knows size and weight matters in a fight. Not only was Muhammad Ali a heavyweight, he was considered one of the "the greatest" (pun intended) heavyweight boxers of all time. Bruce only fought and won at the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School Amateur Boxing Championships, so he only competed as a young amateur boxer. Case in point, I think we've already learned how a hybrid stylist with amateur boxing experience would fare against a professional boxing champion, at least in a boxing match, with Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor. Indeed, stylistically kicks would be the path to success, but doing that against a GOAT boxer is easier said than done. Bruce Lee's acting career and fighting philosophy were definitely ahead of his time and influenced entire generations of martial arts fans and Asian Americans like myself, but I do think people exaggerate his legacy and abilities to the point where he seemed superhuman, which is delusional.
1 well timed and well placed leg kick ,(without pads) can end a boxers career. bruce had exceptional speed power and accuracy. Weight dose def matter but not as much as some ppl think. Both of these fighters are great but I have to give it to Bruce. Yes Yanoki kicked him in the legs b4 but let's face it. Yanoki was a fake wrestler, not the world's father of mixed martial arts. Also that man was only allowed to kick Ali while he was on the ground?! Give me a break. Those kicks that Ali endured injured Ali's legs badly Ali even says so after the fight with Yanoki. So really think about what a master of kicks could of done to him while standing up and throwing that perfect sweet chin music directly to the knee cap or throat. the fight is over as fast as it begins.
The story is when he fought Wong Jack Man for the ability to teach Chinese martial arts to Westerners, he submitted him with grappling. No idea if this story is true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, it is plausible that Bruce Lee could grapple with Ali. However, Ali did fight a Japanese wrestler much larger than Bruce and I'm not even sure Bruce could take Ali down to use the grappling because of his size and how evasive Ali has been known to be. Bruce Lee is excellent at covering distance though. The bottom line; I have no clue the fight never happened. My gut says Ali because he just needs to land one shot and Bruce has so much more that he has to do to win than Ali does.
I personally do not believe Bruce beat WJM. The whole story of how Bruce took too long to defeat Wong so he went out and learned boxing, ultimately to create JKD, is farcical to me. More likely is that WJM kicked Bruce's ass, after which, disillusioned, he went on to learn boxing and blended it with Wing Chun. This makes sense because as great as Wing Chun is, and it is great, it lacks mobility and its strikes are not as powerful as other fighting systems.
total bullshit and misinformation. Fight was over in less than 2 minutes and wasn’t much of a fight at all. Bruce spent most of that time chasing him around rooms. There were multiple people there to witness it also. Bruce lee didn’t need to grapple because of how good his mobility and footwork was. A years prior Bruce had a fight known as the YMCA fight which is very telling of his capabilities against a Japanese black belt in judo and karate called Yoichi Nagachi. You should read up about what Bruce did to that guy. Then make your own mind about what happened.
Yeah, I mean you can have an argument on Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali, but Bruce Lee was a fighter second, actor first. Not to say that he wouldn't be able to scrap, but comparing him to a professional boxer, who lives, eats, breathes and sleeps while thinking about the best way to throw hands. Not to mention the weight and reach advantage, AND considering how extremely mobile Ali is. The only way (assuming a sanctioned match) for Lee to win would be by points and keeping away. For a street fight, Ali will either corner Lee, or Lee would just have to run. Lee could get off a few good hits... but for a guy to takes punches from heavyweights for a living... there's no guarantee that it would land solidly and slow Ali down enough vs his punches.
Bruce would not fight fair in a street fight lol. Groin kicks, fishhooks and eye gouging, and dirty kicks to the knee change things up really quick. Bruce was an absolute master of closing 10 foot distance within a split second, and once Bruce clinched up, he would easily sweep Ali's leg or single leg him to the ground. Ali was clueless off his back, Bruce was well versed in folk wrestling and Judo.
@@AztecUnshaven fighting fair or not it’s still a case of a heavyweight champ who’s known as one of the greatest boxers of all time vs a significantly lighter martial artist who’s known primarily for his movies and only has a handful of actual recorded fights
@@username-yc3bd Bruce is widely considered one of the greatest martial artists ever, and was massively respected by all of his American combat sport contemporaries during his era. He wasn't just some "martial arts actor" lol. Seth's a nice guy, but he has no clue of what Bruce was capable of. His "sparring" video in Long Beach was a demo, not an actual sparring session. There's a reason kickboxing pioneers like Joe Lewis trained privately under Bruce. It's important to understand that Bruce's first two American students were a heavyweight Judoka and a heavyweight boxer. Both guys were skilled combatants BEFORE meeting Bruce, both guys greatly outsized Bruce, and both guys admitted to getting completely wrecked by little Bruce upon first trying to challenge him.
@@AztecUnshaven bruce was extremely fast and fit, definitely ahead of his time with some of his views on martial arts but ultimately all we have to go off of is stories and a handful of recorded fights. meanwhile ali is regarded as one of the, if not the greatest boxer of all time with several wins over some of the best and fights we can actually watch and analyze as opposed to bruce’s one demo video, even bruce himself said that he would lose to ali in a fight
It's disrespectful to Bruce Lee to pretend he is something he isn't. He was an incredible martial artist, but saying he could beat Muhammad Ali is just fantasy talk.
The fact that Lee knows Judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Ali knows how to punch and how to punch and how to punch and basically just how to punch means Lee might have a better chance than even he though. It was just last Sunday I watched a guy who is 5' 8'' leg sweep a guy who is 6' 4'' and completely change the dynamics of a sparring match. Stories of Jigaro Kano fighting sumo wrestlers also come to mind. Size does indeed matter, as everyone over six feet tall who likes to eat potato chips and post on the internet will remind you, but variety is also incredibly important. 60/40 Bruce.
Bruce Lee loses he is in another weight class. The best move Bruce Lee has over him is the eye poke & the nut kick. I think Ali knows how to deal with the eye pokes, the nut kick is all that might be able to get in & bother him a bit but then he would recover & just maul him.
I’m a huge Bruce Lee fan but he was still human and he was only 125 pounds when filming ETD. He was about 140 during the filming of Way of the Dragon. Ali would have smoked him 99 times out of a hundred. Ali was just as fast, fought the best fighters in the world, and had a massive height, reach and weight advantage. Bruce might gave gotten a finger jab once in a while but I don’t think he could’ve hurt Ali. If Joe Frazier needed 15 rounds to hurt Ali, realistically what chance would Bruce have?!
Most of the people commenting either don't actually watching boxing/MMA/kickboxing or are simply Lee cultists. Bruce himself literally said Ali would kill him in a real fight and they won't take his word for it. Embarrassing.
@@jw-nz2vx "To tell the truth I could beat anybody in the world, ofcourse if I sat still & your father hit me forget it. The question is could he ever get close to me" - Bruce Lee to John Tunney the son of Gene Tunney the undefeated heavyweight Boxing champion of the world [the source for the quote is the book 'Wrath of the Dragon' written by John Little]
Antonio Inoki was one of the greatest pro-wrestlers ever and a huge influence on martial arts in Japan. Read up on him and be ashamed you thought he was a kick boxer.
@@svensvensson2724 Just that it's no surprise he could be mistaken for a kickboxer by someone who just watched him throwing kicks. Seth should have done more research, of course, but it's not like Inoki was just some shmuck when it comes to throwing good kicks.
@@svensvensson2724 No but nonstop kicking Ali's legs throughout the whole fight makes a argument for him to be one. Also keep in mind, Inoki wasn't allowed to kick anywhere up the legs. Anyway this is just food for thought tbh.
In a street fight scenario Bruce might be able to catch Ali off guard and land a groin/throat strike which will give Bruce the opportunity to escape. In any formal fight Ali all the way.
I’m a heavyweight, if I didn’t know how to defend leg attacks, a guy who weighs 140 could beat me. Knees are very vulnerable. Ali wouldn’t know the first thing about defending that.
Because he moved so fast, a lot of people forget how damn big Ali was.
Yeah. Imagine moving that fast at 160cm and 100kg. Getting hit by that is like getting hit by a goddamn train.
At the time, journalists mentioned a famous moment when they first saw Ali stand next to Sonny Liston... The idea was that Liston was the bigger stronger guy, and Ali was the skinny, pretty boxer... But then they met at the center of the ring to touch gloves, and everyone saw that the "skinny" Ali was not only taller but had comparably wide shoulders.
@@me0101001000who are you even talking about here😭
Right. On film you perceive him to be a lanky, fast guy but he was way bigger than the average person. 6'3, 225-230 lbs. He had pretty wide shoulders and thick muscular legs.
Lee himself said that Ali would have kill him in a fight
I respect Bruce, but Ali was truly a Beast!
mmmmmm yeah but fighters that aren't assholes are usually too humble to say "yeah I'd beat his ass."
Ali said that Tyson would knock him out, and Tyson to this day maintains that Ali would knock him out, so...
I dunno.
I think booce would beat ali.
@@user-qt8ko4gm2k
bruce also weighed 140 pounds to ali’s 236
Per usual, the first comment that comes up on my feed is the correct one. Lee went on record that Ali would win - that it would not even be a contest.
He did give himself a chance in a street fight where he could kick but yeah Lee said it wasn't much of a chance and compared their hand size to illustrate that point.
It's not verified that Bruce Lee actually said this. It's just hearsay of hearsay. This was what Robert Clouse (Enter the Dragon director) said in a book written many years after Lee's death that Bruce Lee said to Bolo Yeung (Bad muscled guy in Enter the Dragon) when he visited Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. As Robert Clouse was a noted bs artist, the same guy who spread around a false rumor that Bruce Lee wanted to kill Bob Wall after an accident on set involving a glass bottle that cut Bruce's hand, and the fact that he just didn't like Bruce Lee very much, I take this particular claim with a pinch of salt.
There is a glaring difference that a lot of people overlook, Ali was an elite championship level professional fighter. Bruce Lee was not.
Some people don't want to admit that Ali would win purely due to the fact that he out weighs Bruce lee by a bunch. We have weight classes for a reason folks.
That's why i am bulking up (Just Need to eat at my grandma's house for a week 😅)
@@Baroxshitposter665 to the buffet XD
also the fact that Ali is FAST AS HELL compared to a small man, his punches+his feet are fast
his jab would reach Bruce Lee first before Lee can kick him
@@OliverOilsside kick actually beats jab in speed also Ali was only a boxer and thus doesn’t know how to handle a leg kick
@@user-ok7kz8ru2q Ali's footwork and side way stance could work in a kickboxing fight
plus Ali knows how to clinch and hold
that's a MASSIVE advantage in a fight, especially against someone smaller
Ali himself said that he had a school bully that he beat in a boxing match but said he'd probably get beaten by him in a real fight because his bully is bigger, stronger and can just wrestle him
If you want evidence that Ali's stance and footwork can work in a kickboxing fight, look up "Samart Payakaroon" highlights
Seth is about to be excommunicated from the church of Jeet Kune Do here!
Muhammad Ali was a black belt in taekwando
Hahaha you are right!
The funny thing about ali is that his career was spurred by Theft of his bike and ended by a burglary into his home, got him beat up and destroyed his self confidence, with this ended his career.
Seth has been excommunicated for years already 😂
@MOMOHAJI585 if you watch him rope a dope Foreman you'll see him use double knife hands. He would frame with the lead arm and trap one of Foreman's arms with his rear. Ramsey has made an excellent argument that double knife hands are a collar tie. The way Ali uses the double knife hand isn't far off from a collar tie.
Small correction, Ali fought 15 rounds bouts.
Great catch! That was definitely a brutal time to have those 15 round bouts.
And he fought in a harsh environment, such as extreme heat in Rumble In The Jungle and warm & humid climate in "Thrills in Manila"
Right, I was like c’mon Seth, u know it was 15 rounds
It was 15 rounds but 15 would start to steam even Ali himself off, 12 he can do without really steaming out
@@MashuSlyferiux yeah, 45 minutes of intense activity is crazy
The fact that the phrase "Taylor Swift's boyfriend" does not appear anywhere in the title or description of this video is perhaps the greatest demonstration of clickbait integrity I've ever seen
I didn't know Lee ever dated Taylor Swift.
I don't even understand your comment xD
@@Shrapnel82 Travis Kelce(one of the brothers in the video) is currently dating Taylor Swift
@@Shrapnel82 his time travel kung fu was the strongest.
I’m a 5’7 150lb Asian guy who’s been training martial arts ever since I was a kid. As much as it sucks to say unless you have a MASSIVE skill gap, size is usually enough to get the job done.
100lb and one foot of height is a huge advantage. That’s like a college athlete fighting a middle school student.
Wait. Size isn't enough tho. A small trained fighter can absolutely beat a big untrained guy, no doubt.
But here we are talking about one of the greatest boxe champion of all times!
What martial arts have you been training in?
What matters more is weight, height will only give you range and it can be dealt easier than someone heavier.
Forget the weight class difference. Just the fact that Bruce Lee had virtually no professional fighting record, while Ali fought and beat all the heaviest hitters of his day should be enough for me to know where I put my money, even if they were the same weight.
Eddie Hall vs Neffati Brothers is how I picture Bruce vs Ali
Man! So many people believed that Bruce Lee played ping-pong with nunchucks video. IT'S A NOKIA AD, you guys!
To me it comes down to this, Bruce Lee was an actor who was skilled in Martial Arts,while Ali was not only alot bigger than Lee,but was also a Professional and conditioned combat athlete. So if I was going to bet (and I never do) I would put mine on the Professional.
& Musashi was a painter who was skilled in martial arts.🤭😆😂🤣
Bruce Lee was a martial artist who later became a martial arts action star when he went back to Hong Kong in 1971 and made movies for a year and a half*
There. I fixed it for you.
Couple of notes:
1) Antonio Inoki was a pro wrestler
2) you mentioned Ali fought 12 rounds. Back in his day, they actually fought 15.
Other than that, love this video.
Pro wrestler as in WWE style?
@@cloudmaster182 yeah but the japanese were heavy into shoot style so a lot of jap. pro wrestlers were real catch wrestlers
@@cloudmaster182 Kind of. Yes, it was WWE style professional wrestling but in Japan in those days the style was more oriented to being an actual combat sport. They were pro wrestlers but they could actually fight and were trained by catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz.
Ali was more skilled, battle tested and bigger. Bruce had zero chance.
Ali was just as fast as Bruce, trumps him with experience & power
To anyone who questions this, you've gotta see Ali vs Liston and Ali vs Frazier and Ali vs Foreman.
Ali is a picture perfect athlete who's missing nearly no important attribute. He's not the strongest but he was knocking everyone out in his prime. He has sufficient power, and more than enough to beat Bruce Lee. He's a heavyweight, the most heavy weightclass there is. And also Ali has reflexes, footwork, defensive speed, offensive speed, stamina, chin, and heart.
Even in an unfavorable stylistic matchup, you cannot understate how much damage Ali is able to absorb. The only standout characteristic from Bruce Lee is that he can kick. If Ali fought someone who excelled in grappling, that'd be a different story. But someone who is very light and we just add kicking? That doesn't add much.
Above all else, Ali can be called a real fighter. He's been in the ring with people who had violent intentions and the actions that went with that.
Ali vs prime Tyson. That's would be a great fight!
Also for the fact that Ali was an out boxer and Tyson an in-fighter, i don't really could guess who will win
Seth just pointed out Lee was trained in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Judo, and it doesn't matter how strong your chin is if you're getting choked.
@@christophernewton8474 Ali faught wrestlers and kickboxers leading up to his match with Antonio Inoki, he wasn't clueless about mixed martial arts - the match itself was a s#itshow but Ali's leadup work was no joke.
@@christophernewton8474Bruce had very little grappling training, certainly not enough to handle a heavyweight
Muhammad Ali was a professional fighter..nuff said.
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestling legend, and the Ali vs. Inoki fight is an absolutely fascinating story, even though the match itself ended up being a farce. Definitely worth looking into and maybe even making a video out of it (?) if you can figure out a good way to do that.
Thank you. Didn’t want to have to type all that
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
@@Solomon-gc1hn Ernie Terrell threw LOTS of low blows towards Ali (the ref didn’t do his job) yet Ali wasn’t phased and proceeded to batter him
This. Ali didn't know how to take leg kicks, and probably wouldn't have known how to defend a takedown. If Li could kick him enough and then take him down, he could win. That assumes that Li could avoid Ali's far superior striking power.
Ali Vs Inoki is the 70's equivalent of BJJ memes today.
Ali was not only larger, but he wasn't just some big *"Gym bro."*
He was a world class heavyweight boxer during a time where the fights would go on for 15 rounds; against other world class heavy weights.
He was big, indeed, but Ali was very fast with them hammers.
How is this even a question, Bruce was a performer, Ali was an elite fighter, end of the story
& Musashi was a painter.🤣
@@jagger_claw and freaking samurai master?
@@Draconianoverlord55🤭😆😂🤣
"Tao is a random collection of some of Bruce's notes. No one can learn JKD from there. Even some of movie fight choreography made it into that book." - Thomas Marx [Original JKD Instructor]
I think 5'8 and 141lbs is pretty generous to Bruce.
Short answer: No.
Chinese: 不能
😂
Weight classes exist for a reason
So do sentences. You are illiterate.
Because it’s sport and the goal of sport is to make the fight fair. Referee, rules, soft floors.
For the reason of sport but still hand to hand Ali would destroy Lee
French press is a pretty great way to make coffee quickly and easily. It's also an exercise, apparently.
😂 underrated comment
The BEST professional fighter at his peak vs an actor who is very good at martial arts.
It’s not close
I agree with Seth's assessment, but Lee does have a chance if it's kickboxing in a pretty large ring. I'm still giving it to Ali 4 out of 5 times, though. He's not just a big boxer, he's one of the greats.
I think a more interesting debate would be: Muhammad Ali's body with Bruce Lee's skillset vs Bruce Lee's Body with Muhammad Ali's skillset?
Ali's body with Bruce's skillet 100% of the time. Bruce was way more skilled (or skilled in more things) but a lot smaller
@@cloudmaster182 yea there's no debate here
Definitely Ali with Lee's skillset. Imagine Ali landing a jumping head kick on Lee with the size difference.
Someone as big as Ali wouldn’t be able to move in the same way or have the same sort of speed that Bruce Lee had.
What Bruce could do, due to his weight and size, is far more impressive than anything Ali could do.
We are talking about a guy who was 5 ft 7 1/2 that could hit as hard as a heavyweight, move like an Olympic fencer and kicked like a horse.
There is less than 1% of guys his size and weight that has these sort of attributes. It’s incredibly rare. This is why there are so many naysayers about Bruce Lee. You just don’t see guys this size with these sort or attributes, you might see someone who is fast, or maybe hits hard, but not someone who has all of these qualities combined.
And he didn’t compete in sport, so you have to understand this is someone who training was geared completely for survival and not scoring points.
It’s a combination of things. Genetics and training like a fanatic 25/30 hours a week for years on end, training in such a way as to train the muscles used to execute the movement/technique more efficiently and explosively.
How Bruce Lee trained and what he did was very unorthodox, even by today’s standards.
@@axelstone3131 Muhammad Ali's movement was crazy. It's not "someone ali's size" it's ali. Idk if you've seen him box
Bruce was a light weight that never fought a professional bout, or hardly competed in general. I love Bruce, but I'm not even sure if he could have beaten Inoki..
Sport is sport 🤷♂️ he wasn’t interested in it.
Also check out the sparring that Bruce Lee and Joey Orbillo had, who is a professional heavyweight boxer who dropped Ken Norton. Orbillo will tell you differently.
One was heavyweight champion of boxing, other was a movie star that's half his weight. So who do you figure would win?
Bruce Lee, when asked if he could beat Muhammad Ali in a fight, supposedly had this to say: "Look at my hand... that's a little Chinese hand. He'd kill me."
A fight like this already happened in the 70's. A catch wrestler fought Ali in shooto. He spent most of the time on his back, kicking Ali's legs and it ended in a draw. Grappling would be Bruce's best chance, and a well-rounded grappler couldn't get it done. A speed advantage is also a physical advantage though. Lawrence Kenshin has a vid about a Thai boxer who destroyed giants. One of the fights, both guys were doing the right thing. Thai fighter was throwing roundhouse to head, bigger guy anticipated it, started throwing an overhand right, before the thai guy started kicking, but he still didn't make it fast enough. He took the kick to the dome, with all the added momentum of his own punch, got KO'd. Bruce's chances would be higher than 0%, but to say higher than 50% is straight dellusion.
You by chance watch my video? Lol
What speed advantage? Go watch a Muhammad Ali fight. Nobody has a speed advantage on him.
@@senseisethreacts I watched about 10 seconds. You didn't put Subway Surfers in the background. I was a couple seconds away from the Inoki part when I commented. Came back and watched it all.
@@willwailes9298realest comment😭
Bruce himself said Ali would beat him. His best bet would be a kick to the you know what, a leg kick or a rear naked choke.
“Leg kick” lol. Bruce Lee didn’t attack “sport” targets. You aren’t stopping anyone that size with a leg kick. Waste of time.
Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps. A hit to any of these places, no matter how big someone is, will stop them.
And if the leg is snapped. They will definitely be unable to fight.
bruce never said that😅
@@BRUCE098 “I never said that shit” - Bruce Lee
@@axelstone3131 🙂
I was a freshman in high school for UFC 1, and also a new wrestler. My dad got the PPV and we watched the beginning. It was nuts to watch the sport evolve at the same time I did.
Ali would take it with his combination of reach, power and agility.
Fun fact: the twist in his weight exercise is doing those exercises fast as possible that's why most of the weight there seems "light"
And yes, he did those to make his movements faster
RIP Teila Tuli! I think the world would have preferred to say goodbye to Gerard Gordeau, but that’s life.
amen to that. FUCK Gerard Gordeau. Rest in Heaven Teila Tuli.
As a welterweight, I boxed against a cruiserweight once. We were both 6' tall and I had a reach advantage. For the majority of the first round, I was able to stay out of range and tag him repeatedly. Near the end of the round, he realized that there was literally no way for me to knock him out and just walked me down, and I saw a right hand that was coming over the top of my guard, and the next instant I experienced was standing back up. I don't remember him ever landing a single hit on me, but I had to stand back up multiple more times. That size difference is even bigger. Any time Cassius landed a punch, Bruce's soul would leave his body.
I had the same experience, only I was featherweight and the guy I sparred with was middleweight. He was only a few inches taller than me. Tagged him a few times in the first round because since I was lighter, I was faster. And then he finally decided to power through (I mean he was holding back), I only saw an over hand right at the last second and I was down. It only took one punch. I got hit by guys around my weight before, I can pretty much hold up. And I was knocked down by a guy my weight before as well, but being punched by someone way heavier was different. The world was literally spinning when I got hit.
In a ring but let’s make it ufc you would be fucked ground game your done
Although I do agree in your scenario, as you are both boxers, the only thing I will say is that as Bruce Lee did train mma, IF he did kick Ali in the legs it would be a long day for Ali. So it would be about who hits who first because realistically if Ali punched Bruce it would be a long day for him
(Talkin about boxing)
Well... depends. Generally speaking you're right.
But if the shorter guy is pretty strong, if he's fast in fighter with heavy punches things are way different.
Don't forget Tyson (and many others) has beat much taller and heavier boxer.
Come on, Inoki, a kickboxer? Inoki was a Pro Wrestler and catch wrestler.
I mean against Ali?
Inoki turned into a masterclass low kicker 😂
@@wendigobanshe8904and that is because of the stupid rules against inoki, that event was heavily biased towards Ali.
I could beat both of them using my secret ninja keyboard techniques
The most forbidden of all of the forbidden jutsu.
Haha I’ll bet your one of the x men..
I’m a big fan of both Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali. Both were phenomenal athletes who revolutionized martial arts in their own ways which is why I have to be realistic and do them both justice.
The “strikers chance” would give Bruce Lee a chance… but Ali would win 9 times out of 10 due to physical size, strength, experience fighting many 15 round boxing matches against a variety of opponents AND the fact that people forget that Ali himself was a highly skilled expert martial artist in his own right.
All this is aside from one of Bruce Lee’s coworkers quoting Bruce outright stating that Ali would beat him.
Hey @senseisethreacts ! I think this was a really good dive into this classic matchup, I think it would be super cool if you reacted to this guy called Togo Ishii; he's like the only legit legit JKD guy i've seen on the internet, and his teacher was supposedly a disciple of bruce lee. He actually does real sparring in his videos as well as demos, dude is crazy fast and really shows the potential of JKD!
Ali, because Ali was a world champ. Lee doesn't really have a record of fighting world class fighters.
“Fight record” lol. Because sport is somehow more legitimate than the guy coming out you with a weapon or 2 other friends. Right..
@@axelstone3131Ali would remove 3 average joes from earth
@@TheReal_GigaChad Ali never has a real fight. Calm down “gigachad”
@@axelstone3131you Bruce cultists need to sit down.
@@wambokodavid7109 you mma cultists and sport fanboys should start a “I hate Bruce Lee” fan club.
You should start a Bruce Lee hater club and invitee all the haters on here so you can all congregate and talk bullshit together about how much you hate a guy who did more and accomplished more than you ever will.
Purely speculating here, but in a straight boxing match I 100% agree Ali takes it. And even in kickboxing/Muay Thai- style match 100lbs and 7 inches is a hell of a hurdle to overcome.
MMA I think the gap closes a little further. I could see Bruce Lee deciding to focus entirely on leg kicks, throws, and submissions in his training camp and catching Ali with something he's never seen before, BUT, I could also see Bruce declaring beforehand that he's going to knock Ali out with a kick or something equally wild, and then getting locked into a sub-optimal strategy.
Street fight I think might actually be Lee's best bet. As you pointed out, Lee would absolutely embrace the Dale Gribble mentality. He'd be biting, throwing things, picking up improvised weapons, using gymnastics and parkour BS to maneuver to high ground. And I think with his life at stake Lee would be less likely to showboat but Ali would be less likely to view a guy Lee's size as a serious threat.
If I had to go gambler's odds I'd give 30/1 in Ali's favor in a boxing match, 10/1 or 7/1 in a kickboxing match (depending on specific ruleset), somewhere between 5/1 and 2/1 for an MMA fight (depending on what kind of strategy the two of them implemented for their pre-fight training); and 1/1 in the street fight. Mostly because I see Bruce Lee as being more likely to shank somebody with a broken bottle than Muhammad Ali.
That makes sense. Bruce Lee grew up in a gang, street fighting. I doubt they were doing weigh-ins or anything before they squared up, so I doubt a size difference would be anything new to him. The main thing would be Ali's skill-set in that situation. Bruce may have faced skilled fighters, and he may have faced bigger guys. But how many times did he face someone that big AND that skilled?
Bruce wasn't a gymnast. He used doubles to perform such tricks in his movies. He couldn't even do a backflip.
@uldisparstrauts really, I know he did some of his stunts, but im aware he didn't do them all, he had doubles, some people don't seem to know that
“Leg kicks” 🤣 Bruce Lee didn’t kick legs or hit sport targets. It would be the knee or groin.
@@axelstone3131 He did when he was competing in a sport ruleset. And a kickboxing/muay thai style leg kick isn't just a "sport target". There's a reason they're so popular in MMA.
The leg kicks are what make this interesting, but the weight difference is way too big.
Maybe some other big guy , but not Ali . No way Bruce Lee beat the heavyweight legend.
As a Jeet Kune Do instructor and martial arts practitioner for over 30 years I can say that Muhammad Ali wins.
You don’t sound like a very good JKD instructor.
@@axelstone3131 Because they haven't drank the Kool Aid?
@@l.k.9666 lol didn’t take long for the BJJ guy to show up. Get back on the floor and roll around like an absolute fool.
HELL NO Bruce Lee wouldn’t beat Muhammad Ali. Bruce Lee HIMSElF said that Ali would kill him. He’s been quoted on it. Bruce Lee was no fool. He was highly intelligent and a realist. The non martial artists that never fought combat sports and go on Movies NEVER ask how Bruce Lee would do against Duran , Sugar Ray Leonard, MannyPacquiao, …while we’re at it, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler-or even At Heavy weight George Foreman, Holyfield,Frazier??? Those fans keep watching Dragon Ball Z, StreetFighter , whatever. Bruce himself said the size difference alone would be enough to beat him-against a HEAVYWEIGHT that could move as fast as him. These same fans still think the ‘Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchucks is real. That’s all u need to know how educated they are on real fighting. And on top of that the greatest punchers in history couldn’t knock out Ali. Bruce wouldn’t do it either. This isn’t even a debate. This is coming from someone that idolizes Bruce Lee. Pound for pound, total athlete, strategist, martial artist, movie star, philosopher, icon.
If you’re talking heavyweight, don’t forget Iron Mike 🥊
You're a genius for explaining the American slangs and measurement
I honestly want more people to debate on Bruce lee vs Mas oyama, since Oyama created Kyokushin and has helped karate stay in the picture as well as breed many legendary mma fighters and kickboxers with a Kyokushin background, it would be nice to have more people bringing light to that.
I think Muhammad Ali would have won, even though Bruce Lee was fast and definitely had martial arts knowledge, I think Muhammad Ali would have won in a freestyle fight. I think that superior kicks would not have hurt and hindered Muhammad Ali, who was certainly fast for his weight. After all, Bruce Lee himself said that Muhammad Ali would beat him.
I don't believe anyone thinks Ali beats bruce. The reason I say that is because the people who say Ali beats bruce, keep regurgitating the Bruce lee said Ali wins?
But no suprise your too scared to admit you know full well bruce said in the ring Ali beats him and in street he kills Ali
@@iluvcliffrichard Of course, I will not claim that Muhammad Ali would beat Bruce Lee, especially because Bruce Lee had a lot of knowledge and practice in martial arts and I myself read his book, which is also my inspiration in martial arts, and it is quite possible that Bruce Lee would win. But if you take away the myth of Bruce Lee in a street fight, which in itself is very chaotic, where one punch decides everything, and you have to survive being attacked by Muhammad Ali, if you've ever been in a street fight, then you know that high kicks and others attractive moves too often fail in a fight of a few seconds. I really think that Bruce Lee would have a chance against Muhammad Ali, he would have a chance in all formats except boxing, but again you have to be realistic, on the street and in MMA, Bruce Lee would have to have very good tactics and sense to emerge victorious, especially on the street.
Another factor, not mentioned,in Ali’s favour is full contact combat experience. He is used to getting hit and has a very good chin. Bruce Lee was not. Maybe he had some experience taking shots during training, but traditional martial arts had a tendency to not have full contact sparring. That is one of the reasons traditional martial arts masters lose to mediocre mma fighters. They had no experience sparring, especially hard sparring. Mohamed was hit by some of the hardest punchers in the history of planet earth. He did not go down. He is not just some regular big guy. Bruce was a martial artist. Ali was a fighter. One can take an much harder headshot than the other, guaranteed.
This is why I love Muay Thai,a traditional martial yet has full contact sparring and matches
Again how many hits would Ali be able to take to his eyes,groin & kneecaps?
@@jagger_clawhow many hits could Bruce take too the chin
@@JonasCelestine0From a guy that can generate as much force as Bruce or more, no more than one for sure. According to his students Lee punched like a Heavyweight Boxer, kicked like a Stallion & moved liked an Olympic Fencer. Might I also add that Lee didn't train for much prolonged encounters, for him it was one shot & done; he would only follow up if he had to.
"One motion & he's gone" - Bruce Lee
"Always maintain the attitude of defeating the enemy with one strike." - Miyamoto Musashi [The Book of Five Rings]
"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." - Sun Tzu [The Art of War]
"His [Bruce Lee] belief that a fight should not take over two seconds was basic to his discoveries. The longer the fight, the more chance for luck to come into play. Bruce wanted to control the outcome, not hope that he was going to be lucky. One of the most important concepts that Bruce shared with me was that you could become a master of a few techniques, but never a lot. He felt that if you could define the elements of a fight and design techniques to directly overwhelm them, then you were developing the ultimate system. If the total list of techniques did not exceed ten, then becoming a master of them was very realistic." - James Demile
The reason why Bruce was so distraught after his fight with WJM was because of this, Lee was unable to catch WJM who was running away. It took too much time for Lee to win the fight. After understanding the limitations of his "modified Gung Fu," [Modified Wing Chun] Lee switched to "Fencing with hands & feet." [JKD] If you want to get a good idea as to why Lee switched to "Fencing with hands & feet," checkout my playlist titled "Fencing & JKD."
P.S. The 3 primary targets of JKD are eyes,groin,kneecaps & the 3 principles of JKD are simplicity,directness & efficiency. Lee's intention behind his training was to go from point A [weapon] to ponit B [target] as quickly as possible & finish the encounter swiftly. Btw Lee actually took a lot of punishment in a fight in H.K. when he was young, read John Little's book titled "Wrath of the Dragon : the real fights of Bruce Lee" for more information. I think this fight in H.K. was the one where Lee discovered the "reaction lag time."
"He [Bruce Lee] discovered that it is impossible to block the punch of a person standing within arms reach if he doesn't telegraph the move. The same thing applies to kicks thrown within leg reach." - Jesse Glover
"A study of human reaction time shows that it takes too long for a response message to reach the part of the body that should respond if the attacker is within touching distance. Unless the attacker telegraphs, it is impossible to know when the attack is coming, & by the time it is seen it is too late to move out of the way." - Jesse Glover
The average reaction time [to visual stimulus] of a human being is about 0.25 Seconds. If you stand within the touching distance of someone & try to touch them [without telegraphing even if you go slow] that person wouldn't have enough time to react & prevent you from touching him. Also if the roles were reversed & you had to prevent the other person from touching you the result would be the same. Now this is what is called the "reaction lag time."
Sorry for the long comment, Cheers!👍
Mythical Lee can beat even a Elephant, but real Lee? nah
I think without gloves, no holds barred is Bruce Lee's best scenario and it's probably 40/60 for Bruce. The sheer size difference combined with the fact that Ali is WAY faster than a heavyweight has any right to be is a tough combination to overcome.
Still knockout power is a real thing and Bruce Lee is extremely fast. He can deliver a knuckle or a heel where it needs to be with incredible speed and timing. There's always a chance and that environment is as far from what Ali has been training for as possible (terrain, equipment, rules etc).
I think if pride had been around in the 70s Bruce Lee would have become famous for cleaning up the 145 division and revolutionized sports nutrition a decade or two earlier.
Just wanted to add that boxing gloves are a huge part of boxing; you have to change your guard, the fist you make and your distance/timing and all of that would shave away at alis advantage. Small things but depending on the scenario it all adds up.
I think it’s a far more interesting discussion than most people would give it credit for being, but at the end of the day I just think that Ali could take more punishment and last longer than Bruce in most scenarios.
How much punishment would Ali be able to take to his eyes,groin & kneecaps?
@@jagger_claw likely more than Bruce…
@@BennyBigIronAgainst Bruce most likely no more than one strike.
"One motion & he's gone" - Bruce Lee
@@jagger_claw ur a special little guy aren’t ya😂
@@BennyBigIronMe special? Nah... Lee was special, very special in fact but most people have no clue.
I think if Bruce Lee got to the ground he could choke him, but I don’t think Bruce Lee could get it to the ground
When you take out a boxer's knee(s) - their mobility, It's not that difficult to get them to the ground.
@echelon2k8 can you show Bruce taking out a knee though 🤔
I'm a self professed Bruce Lee fanboy, I'm 90/10 in favor of Ali. Bruce was fast, but so was Ali. Bruce was strong for his size, but Ali was bigger. Both had incredible endurance. Change their size to equal, odds go to 60/40 Ali. At the end of the day, Bruce Lee was a pioneer, but Ali was a professional fighter.
It's difficult to say, purely because we've never seen Bruce fight outside of that sparring clip where it was clearly very light and prior to Bruce's main development as a Martial Artist. We've all heard of the sparring rumours and legends he was involved in too. Logically, I'd think the one with the greater skillset and options available to him (Lee) would win, but we can only guess. Ali was a hell of a fighter and mover, and the weight advantage would be a challenge that while less relevant in a street fight, still poses a problem.
If you wannna know how Lee actually trained & fought, checkout my playlist titled "JKD Dummies."
No disrespect intended to Mr. Lee but Ali boma ye.
This video should have been 30 seconds long
One was a movie star and the other a professional fighter… how is this still a debate 😂
One was an "efficient street fighter" & the other a "professional sport fighter..." there I fixed it for you.
@@jagger_claw🤣 these guys are clowns. You can’t educate them.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”
-Mark Twain
A fairer comparison would be a world champion professional racer to a world renowned stunt driver. Both are drivers but have very different skill sets.
@@426mak I don’t know if that’s a good analogy
@@axelstone3131 Why? Racing Drivers and Stunt Drivers both drive, but in very different ways. Ali and Bruce both do martial arts but used them in very different ways.
Have to give it to Bruce for being able to convince generations that he was somehow the best fighter on the planet despite having never actually fought once.
Thinking Lee could beat any professional fighter at any level is ridiculous. He was an actor and the only people to have ever vouched for his fighting prowess were other actors and or celebrities. People idolize and picture Bruce as this mythical being because that's what Hollywood does best. Bruce could probably beat up a regular Joe easy enough just through pure athleticism but I mean so could Seth. But anyone who thinks a 5"8 148 lbs man is giving a heavyweight champion boxer any kind of trouble is delusional beyond measure.
agreed
13:10 oh damn, that 1st MMA fight Savate vs Sumo
Is a shame that the sumo guy Lost that fast only After some Palm strike, i really Wish he could have done at least some headbutt or takedown
Is even worst when you realize that people that don't know sumo , use that clip to show that "Sumo doesn't work" while in reality Sumo have a lot to offer as you have shown to us several time Seth.
Justice for Sumo! (Why the hell, there Is no Sumo emoji???)
Its very weird to think that i watch almost all of your videos to where i feel like i know you, but you dont know that i exist, very odd
Parasocial relationship
That's a parasocial relationship and can become very dangerous. I'd recommend introspecting on it some.
Jason is again proving why he is the superior brother
The question is, are you talking about Bruce Lee or a Bruce Lee movie character vs Ali?
I love Bruce lee and Jeet Kune Do concept, but people must stop to Overrating him like that
How people really Think he can Dodge a bullet? 😂
But Also Is sad that or Bruce Is overrated asf or he Is Underrated asf
Very few people actually rating him right ( like Seth in this video, nice job) 👍
Governments and Military would have been all over Bruce if he could dodge bullets lmao
react to fights from the anime Viral Hit
Ali disse em seu depoimento no livro O Kung Fu de Bruce Lee: "Morreu o único ser humano capaz de me vencer", então Bruce dizer q Ali o Mataria, nada quer dizer, apenas expressa admiração mútua. Ali era mto mais pesado, Bruce, mto mais completo e essa seria a primeira vez na vida q Ali se confrontaria com um oponente mais rápido, enquanto Bruce fazia Sparring com Bob Wall e Joe Lewis, mto mais pesados q ele. Aposto em Bruce.
Let’s do this,
Muhammed Ali advantages:
Heavier
Taller
More powerful
Had a speed of a middleweight
Great range control
Was a outside fighter
Longer reach
Bruce Lee advantages:
Better weapon arsenal
Super fast
Was lightweight
Seeing these stats, I would say Bruce Lee probably has the same speed level as Muhammed Ali maybe even significantly higher than Muhammed Ali, now if Bruce got close enough to Ali he can chop up those legs with leg kicks which would make Ali unable to fight properly, however Ali was great with his range control and was a outside fighter which meant he would not let his opponents get close to him. Ali has a longer reach making him able to hit Bruce Lee more and Bruce would have to be strategic to get close to him.
In my opinion Muhammed Ali wins, he was more powerful and is heavier and taller than Lee. He has great range control making it impossible for Lee to attack his legs as he would keep getting hit with those punches.
A actor vs a heavyweight boxing champion
Bruce lee not just actor
@@AndreaOldSchoolboxing no matter how good Bruce was, he wasn't a professional fighter.
@@TheVampireAzriel so for you a martial arts master doesn't know how to fight just because he's never competed in official competitions?
@@AndreaOldSchoolboxing no one said he doesn't know how to fight. It's just that the skill scale is so great that the difference between an amateur fighter/a pro fighter/a national champ/a world champ and mohammed freaking ali is insane. And it's just not something you can experience without fighting the bests of the bests so I don't think you can bring your skill level anywhere close to Ali without fighting competitively.
@@DenterNu but i not doubt win Ali, but Remember Bruce lee Is also street fighter, him many times fight in street, when young boy and also After, i Just Say Bruce lee Is not only a actor, but Is actor and also martial arts master.
Bruce Lee trained judo under Gene Lebell who himself had a lot of mixed rule matches and won by submission a lot, so yeah Bruce did know grappling.
Gene Lebell also said that Ronda Rousey would beat Bruce Lee in a fight.
@@benephelps A lot of people said a lot of dumb stuff during her hypetrain xd.
How good was he at grappling though?
FYI, Kareem studied with Lee and knew Ali. Ask him.
Lew Alcindor told Ali how nasty bruce was. That's why Ali knows bruce would win
Ali wins like... 90% of the time (the 10% of the time being a pendulum hook kick to the beanbag). But people forget, Bruce also knew how to box (and ultimately studied Ali's footwork to incorporate into his own stuff), and trained grappling with Gene LeBell.
Ali was able to throw 12 punches in 2.8sec..He would indeed be able to catch Bruce Lee with a right straight to the face..
K.O.!!
People really get bent out of shape when this debate comes up and you remind people Bruce Lee never won any real fights.
@@berlin990 he won only a boxing tournament when he was to college, or something like that
In boxing, no. In a street fight, also no
When you are smaller, the long range strikes like kicks become quicker. The nearest target for kicking is closer: opponent's knee instead of abdomen and thigh, and the liver and solar plexus are closer to shoulder height for punching reach.
You're also moving less mass: change direction quicker, and spend less energy during the distance game, which can drag on as long as you want with no rounds or judge's scorecard.
Ali would still easily win unless he goofed. Size is a big advantage, but not so huge as some people think. Especially in wide open spaces. I say this as someone who has learned the frustrations of sparring with highly skilled and athletic smaller guys.
I instantly Think about that scene of "Breaking Bad"
You mean better call saul
"Does bruce lee have a gun?"
@@wooshifgay462 "Because if he doesn't, it's ali in 3 minutes or less."
@@ryantarbadildo8765 yes, Sorry my bad
@@wooshifgay462Lee did carry both a blade & a gun with himself.
"I was a punk & went looking for fights, we used chains & pens with knives hidden inside." - Bruce Lee
“I loaned Bruce one of my own guns, a very small ‘antique’ Colt .25 Caliber semi-automatic pistol with black handle-grips, He carried that piece for at least a couple of years." - Skip Ellsworth
He also wore shoes with aluminium attached to them so he could target the opponent's knees,shins,ankles & cause more damage.
I have no idea why people keep asking this question. An actor with a bad back who had no fighting experience worth speaking of, vs a world class heavyweight fighter.
Putting Bruce Lee against ANY pro-fighter (or even a modern amateur fighter) is a colossal mismatch. But for some ridiculous reason people keep putting him up against some of the best fighters ever. Nothing whatsoever in Bruce Lee's skillset or experience would prepare him for coming under serious attack from a professional fighter.
Bruce Lee was a hobbyist. Not a fighter. It IS 0%, unless Bruce Lee has a gun. Nothing he could do to Ali would realistically hurt him; not enough to stop him destroying Bruce Lee with the first punch he threw.
Have you watched better call Saul?
@@user-ow9qn5fe2k No. I've seen clips of it, but I've never watched the show.
@@seraphinaaizen6278 Bruce did have a gun, he carried one around with him
As a BJJ guy who use to rely on my cardio and athleticism… one thing I learned after joining a couple LEGIT competitive gyms is that relying on the other dude “getting tired” isn’t always a thing. Like, Jeff Chan kinda dudes don’t really “get tired”. They DO, but yeah. Some dudes got a LOT of gas in the tank and know how to pace themselves etc.
Bruce Lee knew western wrestling
1:25 *Squat
Anyone who's sparred or fought competitively knows size and weight matters in a fight. Not only was Muhammad Ali a heavyweight, he was considered one of the "the greatest" (pun intended) heavyweight boxers of all time. Bruce only fought and won at the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School Amateur Boxing Championships, so he only competed as a young amateur boxer. Case in point, I think we've already learned how a hybrid stylist with amateur boxing experience would fare against a professional boxing champion, at least in a boxing match, with Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor. Indeed, stylistically kicks would be the path to success, but doing that against a GOAT boxer is easier said than done. Bruce Lee's acting career and fighting philosophy were definitely ahead of his time and influenced entire generations of martial arts fans and Asian Americans like myself, but I do think people exaggerate his legacy and abilities to the point where he seemed superhuman, which is delusional.
1 well timed and well placed leg kick ,(without pads) can end a boxers career. bruce had exceptional speed power and accuracy. Weight dose def matter but not as much as some ppl think. Both of these fighters are great but I have to give it to Bruce. Yes Yanoki kicked him in the legs b4 but let's face it. Yanoki was a fake wrestler, not the world's father of mixed martial arts. Also that man was only allowed to kick Ali while he was on the ground?! Give me a break. Those kicks that Ali endured injured Ali's legs badly Ali even says so after the fight with Yanoki. So really think about what a master of kicks could of done to him while standing up and throwing that perfect sweet chin music directly to the knee cap or throat. the fight is over as fast as it begins.
ali took multiple leg kicks from a far larger man and still stood, then you have bruce who weighs significantly less and is far shorter
How do u give it to Bruce? Just because Bruce could kick doesn’t mean he could beat Ali. This is a silly discussion!
Ali would smash Bruce up!
I kinda wish we got to see them fight a real fight. That's a real dream match.
The story is when he fought Wong Jack Man for the ability to teach Chinese martial arts to Westerners, he submitted him with grappling. No idea if this story is true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, it is plausible that Bruce Lee could grapple with Ali. However, Ali did fight a Japanese wrestler much larger than Bruce and I'm not even sure Bruce could take Ali down to use the grappling because of his size and how evasive Ali has been known to be. Bruce Lee is excellent at covering distance though. The bottom line; I have no clue the fight never happened. My gut says Ali because he just needs to land one shot and Bruce has so much more that he has to do to win than Ali does.
I personally do not believe Bruce beat WJM. The whole story of how Bruce took too long to defeat Wong so he went out and learned boxing, ultimately to create JKD, is farcical to me. More likely is that WJM kicked Bruce's ass, after which, disillusioned, he went on to learn boxing and blended it with Wing Chun. This makes sense because as great as Wing Chun is, and it is great, it lacks mobility and its strikes are not as powerful as other fighting systems.
total bullshit and misinformation. Fight was over in less than 2 minutes and wasn’t much of a fight at all. Bruce spent most of that time chasing him around rooms. There were multiple people there to witness it also.
Bruce lee didn’t need to grapple because of how good his mobility and footwork was.
A years prior Bruce had a fight known as the YMCA fight which is very telling of his capabilities against a Japanese black belt in judo and karate called Yoichi Nagachi.
You should read up about what Bruce did to that guy. Then make your own mind about what happened.
Yeah, I mean you can have an argument on Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali, but Bruce Lee was a fighter second, actor first.
Not to say that he wouldn't be able to scrap, but comparing him to a professional boxer, who lives, eats, breathes and sleeps while thinking about the best way to throw hands. Not to mention the weight and reach advantage, AND considering how extremely mobile Ali is. The only way (assuming a sanctioned match) for Lee to win would be by points and keeping away.
For a street fight, Ali will either corner Lee, or Lee would just have to run.
Lee could get off a few good hits... but for a guy to takes punches from heavyweights for a living... there's no guarantee that it would land solidly and slow Ali down enough vs his punches.
Lee wasn't even a fighter. He was an artist
Bruce would not fight fair in a street fight lol. Groin kicks, fishhooks and eye gouging, and dirty kicks to the knee change things up really quick.
Bruce was an absolute master of closing 10 foot distance within a split second, and once Bruce clinched up, he would easily sweep Ali's leg or single leg him to the ground. Ali was clueless off his back, Bruce was well versed in folk wrestling and Judo.
@@AztecUnshaven
fighting fair or not it’s still a case of a heavyweight champ who’s known as one of the greatest boxers of all time vs a significantly lighter martial artist who’s known primarily for his movies and only has a handful of actual recorded fights
@@username-yc3bd Bruce is widely considered one of the greatest martial artists ever, and was massively respected by all of his American combat sport contemporaries during his era. He wasn't just some "martial arts actor" lol.
Seth's a nice guy, but he has no clue of what Bruce was capable of. His "sparring" video in Long Beach was a demo, not an actual sparring session.
There's a reason kickboxing pioneers like Joe Lewis trained privately under Bruce. It's important to understand that Bruce's first two American students were a heavyweight Judoka and a heavyweight boxer.
Both guys were skilled combatants BEFORE meeting Bruce, both guys greatly outsized Bruce, and both guys admitted to getting completely wrecked by little Bruce upon first trying to challenge him.
@@AztecUnshaven
bruce was extremely fast and fit, definitely ahead of his time with some of his views on martial arts but ultimately all we have to go off of is stories and a handful of recorded fights. meanwhile ali is regarded as one of the, if not the greatest boxer of all time with several wins over some of the best and fights we can actually watch and analyze as opposed to bruce’s one demo video, even bruce himself said that he would lose to ali in a fight
It's disrespectful to Bruce Lee to pretend he is something he isn't. He was an incredible martial artist, but saying he could beat Muhammad Ali is just fantasy talk.
An incredible martial artist who couldn’t fight and never did, right? 🤦♂️ fucking ridiculous.
... Are you saying that Bruce Lee wasn't a martial artist?
The fact that Lee knows Judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Ali knows how to punch and how to punch and how to punch and basically just how to punch means Lee might have a better chance than even he though.
It was just last Sunday I watched a guy who is 5' 8'' leg sweep a guy who is 6' 4'' and completely change the dynamics of a sparring match.
Stories of Jigaro Kano fighting sumo wrestlers also come to mind. Size does indeed matter, as everyone over six feet tall who likes to eat potato chips and post on the internet will remind you, but variety is also incredibly important.
60/40 Bruce.
Bruce Lee loses he is in another weight class. The best move Bruce Lee has over him is the eye poke & the nut kick. I think Ali knows how to deal with the eye pokes, the nut kick is all that might be able to get in & bother him a bit but then he would recover & just maul him.
Ali brutalizes him
professional fighter vs actor...
That in of itself should be enough. But it's more than that. A very large all time great pro fighter vs a very small actor
@@ActualToucanidiots like both of you should be blocked from spreading disinformation.
I’m a huge Bruce Lee fan but he was still human and he was only 125 pounds when filming ETD. He was about 140 during the filming of Way of the Dragon. Ali would have smoked him 99 times out of a hundred. Ali was just as fast, fought the best fighters in the world, and had a massive height, reach and weight advantage. Bruce might gave gotten a finger jab once in a while but I don’t think he could’ve hurt Ali. If Joe Frazier needed 15 rounds to hurt Ali, realistically what chance would Bruce have?!
Most of the people commenting either don't actually watching boxing/MMA/kickboxing or are simply Lee cultists. Bruce himself literally said Ali would kill him in a real fight and they won't take his word for it. Embarrassing.
@@jw-nz2vx
"To tell the truth I could beat anybody in the world, ofcourse if I sat still & your father hit me forget it. The question is could he ever get close to me" - Bruce Lee to John Tunney the son of Gene Tunney the undefeated heavyweight Boxing champion of the world [the source for the quote is the book 'Wrath of the Dragon' written by John Little]
Antonio Inoki was one of the greatest pro-wrestlers ever and a huge influence on martial arts in Japan.
Read up on him and be ashamed you thought he was a kick boxer.
He wasn't a kickboxer, but he was a longtime karateka in addition to his more famous pursuits in amateur and pro wrestling as well as Judo.
@@jw-nz2vx And he was a politician. What's your point?
@@svensvensson2724 Just that it's no surprise he could be mistaken for a kickboxer by someone who just watched him throwing kicks. Seth should have done more research, of course, but it's not like Inoki was just some shmuck when it comes to throwing good kicks.
@@jw-nz2vx Throwing yourself on the ground is a kickboxer move now?
@@svensvensson2724 No but nonstop kicking Ali's legs throughout the whole fight makes a argument for him to be one.
Also keep in mind, Inoki wasn't allowed to kick anywhere up the legs.
Anyway this is just food for thought tbh.
In a street fight scenario Bruce might be able to catch Ali off guard and land a groin/throat strike which will give Bruce the opportunity to escape. In any formal fight Ali all the way.
Bruce himself said. " ..he would kill me"
No, I think clouse said that.
I’m a heavyweight, if I didn’t know how to defend leg attacks, a guy who weighs 140 could beat me. Knees are very vulnerable. Ali wouldn’t know the first thing about defending that.
Antonio Inoki was a Japanese Pro Wrestler. He did catch and shoot wrestling, and probably did Judo or real wrestling in highschool.