The "WORST" Ace Combat Revisited
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Ace Combat Assault Horizon: A game known by many and hated by most who played it back in the day. I think it’s time we take a closer look at it, however…
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PROS:
Customize your aircraft.
Kick ass soundtrack.
Special missions with helicopters and heavy aircraft.
Cinematic dogfight mode points.
Graphics ahead of its time in 2011.
Special Eagan skin.
CONS:
The grave mistake of involving real world combatants and the annoying stereotypical ever going conflict.
Stupid as fuck dialogue for most characters.
You can’t give much of a shit for anyone in the story.
The mistake of not using fictional experimental fighters such as the wyvern or fenrir or even prototype fighters like the f-15 mtd or the f-16 xl.
The game is too short of missions. Just like ace combat 6.
The story is stupid and doesn’t make sense and worse with the dream as the tutorial mission, why could it not be something else.
Ground assault mode is the preferred way to attack surface targets.
A few missions are made and written in a stupid and overwhelming way.
You can’t properly earn ranks.
The game is a “what if” scenario fighting in major cities.
It feels like call of duty when it should not.
There is only one gunship mission.
The traditional realistic flight mode is impossible to work with the game mechanic.
Every main character sounds like they work in an office building instead of the Air Force.
@@clonecommando-cn6boLoL what a whiner ...
“Graphics ahead of its time in 2011” Ace6 was Literally Photorealistic and had WAY More Detail in How Jets move,
Assault specifically took that away
@@mrandrossguy9871 there is no whining here. my only complaints to ace combat 6 is the less missions and only one experimental fighter that just one of the bad guys has..i have the flight stick controller for fires of liberation
@@mrandrossguy9871 rather surprised with how fast DFM reacts with the graphics...you are right and at the same time AH is in a specific way out of the ordinary
Shooting down nukes? Blowing off your wingmans canopy with 20mm cannon fire to help him escape? Attacking surface combatants with A10's?
No, the most unrealistic thing in this game is functional Su57's 😂
Besides that , realistic Ace Combat game :)
Nice burn! Kilo level, even.
@@jackthorton10and don't forget, the only AC with actual protagonist and his dialogue with storyline like Battlefield series where it tried to cover multiple people perspective at once. To me, the only thing that annoys me the most is the Dogfight
It’s funny how things work out @@anggisuwandi2404
@anggisuwandi2404 DFM was built because of the arcade Version they had in Dave and Busters. I saw that shit and was like 😮 oh no, this is literally the first mission of ACAH.
It was definitely, without a shadow of doubt, one of the Ace Combats of all time.
Sucks when a writer gets snubbed and then shit on by fans
I completely agree. Happens way too often too.
The story wasn't even the worst part either, just shitty fans being shitty.
@@Swattii like yourself with armchair commenting
Game might not be fantastic, but that Soundtrack is A+++
Music for AH was composed by Rio Hamamoto and Keiki Kobayashi. The latter gave us “Zero”, “The Unsung War”, “Liberation of Gracemeria”, and “Daredevil”
The game wasn't perfect, but its sure wasn't a bad game. For me, I played it senior year and was one of many reasons I would join the Air Force. I remember the day I learned I was going to be a aircraft maintainer for the F-22 and I was so happy! the plane I had grown up using in video games, I was going to work on them! Still to this day, I love those birds and I have plenty of memories of my time in service, both good and bad.
It's an ok game but a bad Ace Combat game. If it was an original IP, I'm sure it'd have a more lukewarm reception.
I’ve grown to love it and accept it in the Ace Combat franchise, as it provides a break from the typical format (though I’m a big fan of said format), giving a fresh air combat game experience when I want it
It’s refreshing to see project aces tried something new. While I much prefer games like AC04, ACAH let’s me come back with fresh feel for the wonder that are games like 04, Zero, 6, and X
@@Mobius118 can't really see it as a "break" when you're forced into DFM to finish most missions.
like I said in that other comment, assault horizon is reasonably fun, but the other ace combat games are downright phenomenal. I'd give assault horizon 3-4 out of 5 stars, but I'd give the really good games in the series 7 out of 5 stars.
@@TheRibbonRedjust like Ace7 is Still a Maddening Chore with painful Script fights and Waiting for dialogue to move the Gameplay along 😩
Ace Combat 7 was an ethereal experience for me, mainly because I was mainly a no lifer for FPS games.
Ace combat gay
Ac 0 was like the mgs3 of the series and ac7 was like the mgs4
@@codyayo6158not really sure if the MGS4 analogy is correct, but the MGS3 analogy is prt apt, being the gritty prequel with a distinct style compared to its previous titles
Honestly... same.
@@TTV_Breezer dont you play fornite and cod?
One thing that’s interesting about the Spooky in this game is that it’s equipped with the Fulton STARS system, which came into play at the end of the mission. From what I know, the only Spec Ops variant that used the STARS was the MC-130E Combat Talon, until the system was removed in the late 90s.
As one of the like twenty people to have completed Assault Horizon on Steam (Singleplayer and Co-op) I can confidently say it's not bad, it's just not a good Ace Combat. The turret section, DFM, and the Spooky/Spirit sections really make it feel more like some kind of Call of Duty spin-off, when they come up. The rest of the time, it's classic blowing shit up in cool dogfights to an awesome soundtrack.
Yeah about twenty is probably right; my copy on Steam would CTD every time I tried to play and I could never find a way around it and instead of patching it they just pulled it from the store, so great. Not sure why I bought it on steam because I had a console copy, but eh.
I want a flyable B2 bomber in a future game. It was the one level I had no issues with and it justified dfm for the ground for me
@@isaacmacqueen9695 oh I won't lie the bombing part was cool, especially the naval warfare mission just absolutely demolishing boats
Ace Combat was the first game I owned on the OG Play Station. Dad was an Air Force crew chief so of course. I can still remember my dad getting upset about how unrealistic the A-10 was depicted in the game. That was his plane before he switched over to C-17s.
Anyway, I ended up getting every Ace Combat after that. Loving each one as much as the last. Even AH.
I think a permanent positive is that Ace Combat's Music had never failed
anyone can talk shit about AH all they want, but you can't disagree in that the Music still delivered.
GOTTA STAY FLY!
GOTTA STAY STRONG!
ACE READY! ALL DAY LONG@
I can hear it.
I loved that song
in some areas yes the game can be not so great but the way they implemented game play of missions like the door gunner mission or flying helicopters or piloting bombers makes it somewhat unique makes it somewhat different and as for someone like me spending thousands of hours on this game alone and the entire series id say yes it lacks some quality in areas but the more games Namco makes for the series it gets somewhat better so yes there is a good and bad side to AC assault horizon and to be honest if reviews aren't enough then try it for your self since everyone's entitled to our own opinions.
I think for a lot of ace combat player the Door gunner mission, the Helicopter mission and so on was the fact that they was a mission.
in ace combat 4 you had 18 mission,
ace combat 5 was 27-30 mission
ace combat 6 15.
ace combat assault was 16 mission where 6 mission
you did not play a airplane and had 3 tutorial for each new gameplay style of mission.
had the door gunner, helicopter, AC130 all been side missions the player can choice to play for extra credits then I think it would had gone down a lot better.
because ace combat player wants to fly Aircraft not helicopters especially if it eats up mission slots.
also I do need to look this up as I think the English dub of ace combat 5 was a bit bad.
Another thing and this is clearly seen in ace combat 4 is the feeling of the war been more then just the player yes the player does a whole lot of work tipping the war 18 times in ISAF favor but did not single handedly win it... .there is a analyze of the ace combat 4 whole war that explains how all 18 mission plays in into the big picture.
from what I understood of ace combat assult was that the game was just so... all over the place. something ace combat 7 got a lot of slack for.
The Combat Approved parody was so on point
You think being 30 is old? Come back to me when you hit the big Four-Oh. 😛
Been playing these games since my adolescent years with the initial PSX Air Combat. Loved 'em. Didn't take to Assault Horizon but I don't think I ever hated it that much, just didn't much care for it when I tried it. Glad you did have a lot of fun with it and good on you for defending it from the usual self-absorbed gatekeeping fan types.
I loved AC04 more than 5. Mostly because the story wasn't as preachy, AC5 goes a bit too over the top with it. Oseans apparently don't get mad that they got attacked without provocation and instead sing anti-war songs at war rallies. I get the wider story of both sides' war hawks being manipulated but it just felt like the writers pushing that element a bit too hard at too many points. Though you can't hate AC5 when you've got Steve Blum voicing a character, heh.
I think AC5 going over the top is why the game's great. It feels like an American action movie. I enjoy AC04's simple and mature story more, but 5's is good in its own right.
@@cheese5462 Oh, don't misunderstand me, I think AC5 is a spectacular game, I just enjoy AC04 more. But they're both very good games. I even bought the soundtrack to AC04 twenty years ago, when it cost double what most CDs cost because it was an import from Japan through a game music album seller online at the time.
ACAH is the best for
• Voice Acting/Dialogue
• Sounds
• Destruction Physics (The Very First Ace Combat Game to have Plane Gore)
• Jumping/Ejecting NPC Pilot
• Michael Bay Explosion Effect
• The Plot between two Rival aces, Markov and Bishop
• Flyable Bombers and Choppers
• In-Game Pilot Cutscenes to make the game feel more grounded
Imagine new strangereal AC game have ACAH-level cutscenes and dialogue
Breaking news. Yuktobania asking for another war again against Osea
The gunner aiming part is hurting my eyes
In my opinion, DFM has its roots in the "forgotten" game by Team Aces: The Wii only "Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces" tie in to the Mamoru Oshii movie (which is an adaption of the first book in a series of novels).
Innocent Aces had more beginner-friendly controls than any previous Team Aces games, as it wasn't (so to say) weighed down by the legacy of a Simcade franchise behind it. Plus, being on the Wii, you kind of wanted a form of waggle-the-controller gimmick in there anyways. Thus you defeated enemies by staying on their tails long enough to do a special dogfight manouever. Sounds familiar, right?
I think that approach, of making an Ace Combat game that could please both the fans (with the plane gore) and the newcomers (with accessible controls) is what mostly harmed ACAH as it couldn't truly satisfy either end of the market.
Sky crawlers was great.
The black sea fleet operation keeps getting more realistic... I don't know how to feel about
24:27 "You have provoked a gang war"
The most unrealistic part of the attack on the Russian Fleet it that the carrier is not being towed lol 😂
Savage lmao
Back then the Kutznetzov was fine. It was in like 2017 when a fire wrecked the Kutznetzov engines.
@@tetraxis3011 The Kuznetsov has never been in "good" condition since the fall of the Soviet Union.
That would be funny to implement. Imagine a super carrier with cwis all over but throw one missile at the tugboat in front and it gets destroyed
10:37 Final someone acknowledges Hawx 2 for the Wii only problem is there was no AC-130 mission in the Wii version cause the Wii version is entirely different from the PC,Xbox,and PS version and if I had the chance I would talk for hours about the wii version of Hawx 2.
H.A.W.X. 2 for the Wii is an underrated gem.
I got to play it like a year or two ago, it was a pretty fun experience
One thing I always loved about ACE assult horizon is the variety of vehicle types you can play especially types that normally. Along with that the damage model in the game is something I wished ace combat 7 had.
I meme on this game a lot but I remember playing the demo and thinking it wasn’t bad but different enough for me to pass it over.
Getting away from Strangereal was the biggest mistake in my opinion. Modern geopolitics are so unpredictable and controversial that having a fictional world to comment on them seems infinitely more fun and interesting than another generic “Russians bad “ plot.
AC7 is the peak of the franchise and I’d love to see some non-aerial warfare spinoffs set in Strangereal. There’s a lot of potential there if Namco were willing to take the risk.
Honestly, might be controversial but I feel like AC6 was the best overall gameplay wise because the sub-missions helped you feel like you were part of a bigger war and having the reoccuring friendly units at least gave some personality to these other characters.
Yeah, Garuda Team/Talisman were still core parts of winning the war in AC6 but they didn't do it alone. Plus the spectacle of a full allied attack wiping out everything on screen in front of you was always so satisfying.
I remember in the demo, the helicopter and fixed wing missions were offered as separate choices in the campaign. I wonder why they changed that
17:25 man I always forget that Illich was supposed to be a boss fight, when I first got into this mission I was so impatient I fired 8AAMs and took him down without even giving it a second thought lmao
That Zero quote at the end was slick af
“Baby, it’s my show”
Falcon’s flashing his claws.
Oddly enough, this is the game that got me into Ace Combat. Because I had no idea what an AC game should be, I found it extremely enjoyable. After playing other AC games such as 7, I can definitely say Assult Horizon is definitely a game. I wouldn't say its a horrible game, but it's not anywhere near as good as other AC games. I personally believe HAWX is better than Assult Horizon by far, but I still occasionally go back and play it, as it does hold a place in my heart for getting me into the Ace Combat series.
I really enjoyed assault horizon. For how many missteps it took it had many interesting details. Seeing the planes crumble in air and hearing the native language for the computer. Helicopters were too simplistic bit a fun idea I'd love to see expanded.
Still rather hate the turret sections in the side of the Blackhawks.
Maybe you can discuss AC7?
Agreed, to me its the weakest of the 'Strangereal' universe games. Properly Hollywood-ised, story falls limp and feels like it doesn't respect is history (G-DAM I SAVED HARLING 3 TIMES JUST FOR HIM TO DIE IMMEDIATELY HERE), I don't care about any of the character nor remember them and the upgrade system from AC:INF and its consequences have been disastrous for AC franchise.
@@thetrueinferno7993
I actually liked it; I remember a lot of it, including characters. And it’s still better than Assault Horizon.
Also, you can’t talk of disastrous consequences for the franchise when there hasn’t been a new mainline title for the Ace Combat series since 7.
@@stevenchoza6391 Meant from AC:INF, changed the text now. Either way I just despise the upgrade system as it really just ends up homogenizing all of the aircraft, they can't really feel different if you can just change their stats on the fly, and their is no real sacrifice of choosing one aircraft over the other.
@@thetrueinferno7993
I have to disagree… they still can feel very different.
For me, the most annoying thing was how AC7 rendered pure ground attack aircraft kind of pointless for the most part, aside from in Mission 8.
@@thetrueinferno7993 Yeah, I didn't care about any of the characters and the storyline was ridiculous. If I had been imprisoned for a crime I didn't commit and then forced to fly a jet to protect the base I was imprisoned in I would have bombed the hell out of the place and defected to the enemy and be hailed as a hero!
Enjoy the vid, Falcon! I'm a big Ace Combat fan myself and have enjoyed the main series of games. I couldn't get into Assault Horizon myself, so your look at it was interesting, and I think some things in this could make a return to the Strangereal games. The bomber and chopper elements (minus the door gunner bit, since most first or third-person shooters have done that to death) are the main ones. The bombing version of the DFM mode makes more sense, and it'd be cool to do a penetration mission with a B-1 or other bomber. Another idea is maybe actually fly a C-17 on a Special Forces insertion mission, akin to that one part of Clancy's 'Debt of Honor.' Glad to hear the game had a good MP element, though will admit I've always seen AC as a single-player experience, at least for me.
Personally, for me, the game with the best story is Ace Combat 4, and I might be a bit biased as that was MY first AC game. I had played flight sims before on PC as a kid, and well, always kind of sucked at them. However, Ace Combat gave me a bit more freedom, and I loved the anime animation-style cutscenes even though they were still images. I think telling the story from the grown-up kid's perspective and getting a sort of look at the rival Ace of the game was a cool idea. Ace Combat 5, yeah, has story and writing issues, but I'll admit that one made me a fan of the universe as a whole. Learning about Strangereal and making that alternate Earth feel more expansive. Zero was good, and I've never quite finished AC:6 cause it does get a bit boring storywise. Ace Combat 7 had a few flaws, but I think it looked great and reinvigorated my love of the franchise.
Hope you'll talk more about Ace Combat games or aviation games/media in general that left an imprint on you.
I was actually INCREDIBLY excited for Assault Horizon as AH it was the first Ace Combat ported to PC. But I just could not get past the DFM. It just made it unplayable for me. Maybe it was better with a controller, but I didn't want to play on a controller! I was playing on PC and so wanted to use my stick! And if it wouldn't let me, I had no use for it.
As a Canadian, the MC being named William Bishop felt like a bit of wink wink nudge nudge but it wasn't enough.
This game is where i found out that Leon Scott Kennedy became a pilot.
It used to be one of the reasons I went to my local airport in the UK - It actually had a pair of Air Combat machines for the longest time until they remodelled part of the terminal for them to be never seen again.
(I really hope they weren't scrapped and are at the local Arcade Club just getting fixed up).
YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS I LOVE THE ACE COMBAT GAMES I'm so excited to see you do some of this. Do more, pleeeeeeeease do more. I'd love to see you do game pilot biographies lol
I’m going to have to find my old, scratched to death disk and replay this game, it’s all I would play during high school, and I remember always using the trinity on the Russian base mission during the first ground strike pass, and I would always play the helicopter missions using the ka50, because you could lash bombs from it, at the time I though this was awesome
This game was a lot of fun for what it was, especially since it was the first AC itch I got to scratch for a while at that point. But no Ace Combat game will ever be better than AC: Zero. Zero was the AC anime insanity game wrapped up in an excellent story with the anesthetics loosely based on the death of Yugoslavia. To this day, Zero is one of my favorite games.
assault horizon legacy/3D cross rumble or what should be it's true name: ace combat 2 remastered. It was a 3DS port of ace combat 2 with not only an updated aircraft list, but a DFM inspired manovre meter that was completely optional (stay within a certain distance of your target for a certain amount of time, press a button to do a aerobatic stunt to get right behind the target for a killshot). Not only that, it stranrealed the story adding in enemy ace squadrons ala AC0 with their own unique tactics that you had to deal with and could break by downing the squadron lead. It has also a soundtrack which i swear was keiki Kobayashi's showing at range from better star wars music than john William's disney trilogy score to an actual rap song for one of the squadron themes.
You know what? I had fun with the game, so it accomplished that. Plus, paper thin plot to cover for letting you blow up airplanes describes every Ace Combat game, and I love it.
Not perfect, but still a good game.
Assault Horizon is probably one of my most played games due to the PS3 being one of my longest owned consoles. A lot of memories playing it. The soundtrack is in the top 3 of the series for me, and there's plenty of memorable moments in it. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Falcon.
That little reference to the AC:Z ending at the very end of your video was perfect lmao.
Horizon was definitely a "unique" entry for the series to say the least, it had it's good and not so good.
But really it's not that bad of a game after all; I do think if it didn't have "Ace Combat" in it's name it would've been treated differently tho.
I probably wouldve liked Assault Horizon if not for the DFM. It's cool to watch, but I hated having to play with it. I got used to playing with fluid maneuvers in all the games I had played before and enjoyed it greatly and because of that, DFM was just jarring to me. At the very least, if DFM had bee optional rather than mandatory, I couldve lived with that.
As for the writing... Well, I have a soft spot for AC5 because while it is forced as you said, it still feels epic to me. AH's story may be nothing special, but its unique enough with really cool moments that it couldve been fun for a play through. But, as I said, DFM alone killed any enjoyment of this game I couldve had.
I'm actually fine with the ground based DFM thing, though. Thats not too different to how you would conduct an actual bombing run, so its more intuitive.
Ace Combat Assault Horizon was my first Ace Combat game back in 2016. Funny thing is I only did my first ace difficulty run of it only a few months ago though I never had any bad opinions on it. I love blowing things up, it's fun. I'm glad it exists.
Great video :)
You left out how Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere’s international version was heavily dummied down compared to the original Japanese version.
There was also the ones that came out on the PSP: Ace Combat X and Ace Combat Joint Assault. ACX was actually pretty solid while Joint Assault was meh.
Don't worry. AC3 will have its day.
Thank you for this truly honest review of AC: Assault Horizon!
There is still too much sh*ttalking this title today, and many do so just for the sake of it.
*_"This game is more like flawed gem in its own right."_*
Not the best or even great Ace Combat, but good enough spin-off. 🙂
I remember watching my older brother play this game, he would rage so hard it was so much fun. Good times... good times...
Im a new AC fan coming into the series only last year with 7 but it has honestly become one of my favs, and it honestly came to me at a time when i was going through a serious depression after losing my job and dealing with other things.
My man did you just compare ACAH to Cipher himself?? (great ending!)
Nah but while I don’t think I look back on this one quite as favorably as you- DFM is just too much of a fly in the ointment- I certainly agree that it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand. If nothing else it’s a little interesting to see some of the more uh… manga-esque tropes the series is known for transposed into a real world setting, for instance.
I also agree that there’s a bit of a double standard when it comes to the series’ storytelling and that too many willfully ignore 5’s foibles. These games seem to be at their most compelling when they experiment with unorthodox narrative formats, I think.
At any rate, great video. I love to see any new discourse on this series since it’s one of my favorites now.
My biggest thing about Assault Horizon is that it's a decent game, and would probably be viewed as such by the community if it wasn't an Ace Combat game.
This was the first ace combat I ever played so it holds a special place in my heart. It was not the best [ace combat] game, but it was damn fun!
They let me paint my jet all red. 😏
( Has some of the best soundtrack out of all of the AC games that I listen to regularly. 🐐)
I love the credits picture of The Pig and Anamarchy silhouetted against the Door.
I had never played any ace combats before assault horizon, I was but a spotty teen playing Hawx and il2 sturmovik birds of prey.
I don't think I played much past the start.
This was the first and last Ace Combat game i played, not because it was bad, but because i *LOVED* it that much, before it, I used to play hawx because it was good and worked on my old pc, and before that i played (f22 lightning 3) and games of that sort, I really wanted a combat flight sim and I found nothing that gave me this with the same excitement/quality/graphics/music at that time except for ACAH, i first tried the demo on the 360 and just fell in love with it and kept playing it a lot, untill I found a copy, and I bought it right away, I played it sooooo many times that I remember bishop's last lines word for word. After that I played FSX and that of course didn't have combat, and then I found DCS, and that's what I keep playing and making YT videos about, using ACAH soundtracks because it is THAT good. And playing in a fantasy world with some fantasy weapons/aircrafts didn't appeal to me so I never tried any more AC games.
I still love this game, and its story. And I'm glad I found someone of AC fans who appreciates it as it is.
Please do the other games. This series is my childhood
Edit: insulting Unsung War made me discover that I have a twitch 😤
i remember this game
being awesome, but I guess I was 11 at the time
Area 88 and Top Gun influence on Ace Combat is kinda awesome ngl.
After I wrapped up ace combat 6 as a kid I actually remember the marketing and release of ACAH. I still happily bought and played it, even if I didnt like DFM. But I did remember thinking it was a departure from the classics.
Had no idea there were arcade cabinets first. It must have been so cool to play in those cockpits at the arcade. "Air" Combat is one of my earliest gaming memories or memories in general. Had no idea it was actually just Ace Combat renamed for the US. 7 was the only ever one I got so it was a trip realizing I played the OG and didn't even realize it for a long time. BTW Ace Combat 7 is a better overall game than Armored Core 6 imo. Project Aces beat Fromsoftware. Anyways. Great video. The footage in this game just looks fun. It being based "IRL" must have hit you even harder when you played it first time. Instead of StrangeReal. Like, Hell yeah. Playing as an AF American shooting down ruskies.
"BTW Ace Combat 7 is a better overall game than Armored Core 6 imo. Project Aces beat Fromsoftware"
Bruh apples to oranges
I'm waiting an Ace Combat 8 where players can assemble their own planes, color their own planes, and having multiple routes leading to different ending
@@meyers0781 You're right. It is like comparing apples and oranges. Your ideas for Ace Combat 8 would be awesome. I really do like Armored Core 6. To me, it just seems like less of a game than AC7. Like, Ace Combat 7 gave me a more complete and satisfying experience than Armored Core 6. Saying Project Aces beat Fromsoftware was just a dumb thing for me to say. Forgive my grammar in the original, and this, comment. Communicating is hard. Anyways.. Thanks for the reply.
I only got into the series with AC7, and id like to try some of the older titles.
The main reason AH doesnt interest me as much as the others is the fact it doesnt take place in Strangereal. Not that I have a particular attachment to the world, but the simple lack of the usual " 'Murkan" jingoism thats so prevalent in other genres of military videogames is kinda refreshing to me.
It looked great and had good music but my god why’d they have to go for DFM?
Honestly I would love an Ace Combat style game set in real world scenarios again. A Cold War gone hot Ace Combat game would be awesome.
Also I highly recommend Air Conflicts: Vietnam for you to check out. It let you play as both sides of the air war but it was limited by it’s time.
I played that on the PS3, was quite a fun game.
Strangereal had a Cold War between Osea and Yuktobania, so its proxy wars would be cool to see. Also a good reason to have old craft we don't see like the A-7 or Mirage F1 or MiG-23 (lol)
Idk, for me one of the best aspects of Ace Combat (and Project Wingman as well) is the fact that all nations and politics are made-up. Sure there can be simularities and references to the real world (like Osea and Yuktobania being US and USSR, Belka being Germany and so on) - but they are not outright our real nations. This greatly helps the suspension of disbelief and removes the great deal of possible issues like " *my country's name* is painted as baddies again so I don't like this game"
We have enough of real world political shit in the real world already. Let Ace Combat remain anime lol
With China, Korea, and Japan as protagonist againt the west imperialism!😁
I said this elsewhere. It was an okay game. It was a terrible *Ace Combat* game. You spent more time watching it be played for you than playing it. Good for Call of Duty, bad for Ace Combat.
Haha never have I heard a better tag line for AC. Blow Shit Up, Make Money, Blow Shit Up In A Better Plane.
My favorites will always be 04 because of the environmental storytelling and the fact most of it comes over the radio chatter. The radio chatter of Whisky Corridor and Siege of Farbanti make it clear ISAF is winning, but they are one small slip from utter disaster. ISAF is on their absolute last legs by the final two battles and Mobius One and their belief in his legend is literally carrying them over the line.
Then you have Zero, which may be my second favorite game of all time behind the original XCOM.
By XCOM you mean XCOM or X-Com?
Loved XCOM series, any of them, but can't get into X-Com (which i played when XCOM was announced for release back in 2011) due to its terrible UI and how fragile the troops are.
I gotta respect the nostalgia and the good points you made about Assault horizon. For me it was 6. With good gameplay and excellent replayability, albeit a weak story for sure.
I played it for hours at a time with friends online. It suffered as an xbox exclusive being the first AC on xbox. There are design aspects that I wish were used in ac7, the operations within missions were a brilliant idea that allowed for lots of replayability in almost every mission.
The story was, mediocre at best, bad at worst. With a game plot being the usual story of country gets invaded, turn the tide of war. As for the cutscene character subplot, it could have been worse, but not by much, the only real exception is Voychek as he has noticable character growth grow. Tge radio chatter in missions is at least ok, or in some cases good. Always love helping the armored divisions out.
So I understand the defense of AH, as it is rather important to you and isnt quite as bad as it is made out to be. I still don't like it, but that doesn't mean it was worth the fandom bulling the dev's over it.
Honestly while being the black sheep of the franchise ac6 definitely takes the cake of having a terrible story and bad character
One thing assault horizon did do is kinda save the franchise by selling well but thank god for ace combat 7 reviving the franchise
Whoever called this game the worst AC, obviously didn't play the GameBoy Advance Ace Combat 🤦♂️
I absolutely love all AC games, except the GBA one, although I still own a copy, so that my AC collection is complete 😉
It wasn't a bad game, just a bad ace combat game. And the ost was really good.
Hey why not play Macross games on April fools. Would be fun since the AC original aircraft designer designed the Macross Variable fighters.
The 3rd person camera physics did most of the damage in my view. Ace Combat has always been the "cringe" "anime" "unrealistic" air combat game so there's nothing new to complain about there imo
In many ways I think Ace 7 is more cringe than Assault Horizon imho
My very first arcade combat flight sim was Konami's Airforce Delta Strike for the PS2. I remember playing and grinding it throughout my elementary and middle to high school years. I love its many missions, its unique superweapons, and the surprisingly high number of aircraft that you can unlock. What stands the game out to me the most were the visual-novel like story, soundtrack, and playable anime characters, in which each one have their own unique aircraft to which to unlock and buy as well as story lines. The game does has its drawbacks like the repetitiveness of the 'Stand By' missions, the stiff and heavy feeling flight model, and the story in which can be over the top and cheesy, but I found to love it. It really gives off a unique vibe in which I rarely see in other similar combat flight sims. It was only when I was starting high school in which I got introduced into the Ace Combat series, mainly by its music (AC:AH does have a cool soundtrack don't forget).
I've never heard of this game before and thought I'd missed out on a console flight sim until I googled it and turns out it was called Deadly Skies III in Europe and I have that! I liked it a lot but had problems with controlling the aircraft because they seemed to wobble up and down with even the slightest movement of the joypad. But yeah, the sheer amount of aircraft you could fly really made the game and you could fly them in space!
I love the art in the credits xD as far as the game itself, i havn't played it yet (might actually sit down to do so), but i think the main reason people don't like it is that it was a symbol of the times. The war in Iraq had been marching on for a stupid amount of time, and with it came all sorts of media about the war and so on. So when you're force fed the same stuff for years on end it gets more than a little tiring. That and the close in combat system was a bit . . . Jarring for those of us who played 4 and 5 ages ago. A neat idea, surely! But one that was far too rail-shooter like and seemed to lower the standards of the game as a whole.
To this day Ace combat assault horizon will always have a special place in my heart just like ace combat Infinity. Though it is not the best game in the series that would have to be Ace combat 7 it's still one of the first games that got me into aviation. During its release I only owned a PlayStation with only three games. I heard of Ace combat before the release of assault horizon with Ace combat 6 being on the Xbox however since I did not own an Xbox or ps2 at the time, I could not enjoy any other Ace combat and for 3 years I played Ace combat assault horizon constantly trying to gain as many points and buy every part there was available for the aircraft in single-player since I did not get online until two years after the games release because WiFi was a new thing back in the day for me. I was only 11 with the release of Ace combat assault horizon and though I knew there were better Ace combat games out there I never got to experience that until i was a young adult, hell I did not even play Ace combat unsung war until they made a remaster of it with the Ace combat 7 pre-order bundle. Constantly playing Ace combat assault horizon and grinding Ace combat Infinity every single day up until his combat 7 was a joy for me, to others it may seem insane to enjoy a franchise with only playing two games out of that franchise that are utterly controversial but to me those games were all I knew in the aviation genre and to me that's why I cherish them, not because they did anything special believe me I hated the dfm online especially if you're going against an F-22, su-57 or any Rafael I hated HCAA spam and qaam so much but I was fine with it because I love planes and I love flying in the sky.
Something I always think about is that Namco should look back at DFM, helicopter, bombers and some of the other stuff, because I think it can work.
Not in Ace Combat no.
DFM is successful in Mach Storm and Star Wars Battle Pod
Helicopter is a neat idea, allowing better look at the environment.
Tbh, I was a fan of AH Legacy for the 3DS and it was my intro to the series, I kinda wish it had a console release
I never hated it oddly. It felt different but still FUN. Everyone has that fictional character they model themselves after during their late high school years? My role models were Bishop and Noble Six from Halo Reach.
The soundtrack was a continuous banger too. I really wish I could get it for just day to day bits.
The soundtrack was freaking awesome I’ll grant it that.
Maybe it's because I happen to have fallen headfirst into a group of friends who are hardcore Ace Combat players but I genuinely did not know that this game was hated. It always looked to me like the fun plane combat game with the wacky lore and ungodly good music. Cool to see Falcon is a bit of a fan of it too :3
Well that's the thing. Assault horizon was the Ace Combat game with no wacky lore and just okay-ish music.
@@jarvy251 Okayish music? I'd say its up there with some of his better works but in the end its a taste thing
It would have probably been better received if they had not shackled it down with the "Ace Combat" name. It's pretty much an accepted fact that the Ace Combat fanbase is rabid, making it its own thing could have skewed the meter in the other direction. Hell, the Sky Crawlers game that PA had a token development role in is pretty fondly remembered , and it's stuck on the damn Wii.
Fun video though, cheers!
What people forget is that, yes, Markov has plot armor bigger than the USS Enterprise, but Assault Horizon was a game with scripted cinematic stuff, so the final dogfight does make sense for the game.
Then there’s the final boss of Joint Assault, Sulejmani, who has similar plot armor in a game that’s not as heavily scripted. He’s probably one of the top worst bosses in the entire franchise, as you’re forced to listen to his sob story, and aren’t able to shoot him down until he’s finished.
Context of what the game is makes all the difference between these two.
Why is it hated? It may be a decent game, but it is a HORRIBLE Ace Combat.
AC:AH may suck, but damn does "Dogfight" go hard... So does "Gotta Stay Fly"
So true
Name reminds me of Billy Bishop who was a Canadian ace during WWI
This was my first Ace Combat and even I know it wasn't quite like what I had seen of other Ace Combat games, but most importantly it was available on PC which is the single biggest failing of the entire series. I still had fun seeing how I can complete the missions with the strangest air craft choices or avoiding the dogfight mode to kill anything I wasn't forced to use it for.
I will say that it never gets old using a A-10 for all the missions it was never meant to pull off.
I have vivid memories of playing multiplayer with a buddy of mine. He’d provide overwatch with the DLC SU-37, and I’d go in on the ground attack on the enemy base with a CAS-Spec’d SU-25. I think we MAYBE lost 2 matches total with that tactic…good times
I kinda liked some of the new ideas we got in Horizon, but I think they were laid on too thick. Dogfight Mode was okay, but I think it was overused. It needed to happen less often, like a handful of times in the whole game, never once per level. Like, imagine engaging Mihaly in those rock spires, then all of a sudden he drags you into DFM, you have to jink your ass off to stay alive, then you reverse on him. But then it goes back to normal for the rest of the mission. Attack helicopter missions, bombers and AC-130 are fine for one or two missions per game.
Horizon was my first Ace Combat game, I fell in love with it but at the time (early 2010s) there was no other AC game on PC, so I searched for alternatives after being tired of replaying this game for 45 time, going high and low (Vector Thrust low...), I tried getting one of 3 golden AC for my PS2 but only place I know that could have, dint had any of them. Few years later I set up PS2 emulator on my ye old laptop and downloaded AC 4, 5 and Zero. Had blast with them and learned to love this franchise even more.
As a entry point, it was serviceable, but when I compare it to previous ones and to 7, I find it lacking mostly do to forced dogfight mode and how it restricted whole gameplay.
Did I had fun? Yes*. Will I ever come back to it? No. Best for it to remain as small spark that let me go hard for Ace Combat and other flight games and stories (Like Area 88).
*when playing missions that had little to no DFM
Assault horizon is not bad. I like it. No, i love it. It new, it's fresh! If this game had a better story line, more like an ace combat story line, this game is good! For me it's not the best ace combat, but it's a great game.
Fair!
Ace Combat assault horizon was my first ace combat game, I loved it when I was younger, haven't played it since then.
I was happy with it for it at least giving me more Ace Combat. I enjoyed all the Chopper, Bomber, and Gunship missions at least for a change in pace throughout the campaign and just ignored the DFM as much a possible. At this point I really want Namco to just port all AC games between 1 and 6 to modern consoles and pc if nothing but to keep the games alive. The fact this did this for 5 and 6 as preorder bonuses shows they have the ability to do so.
The dog fight mode doesn't make too much sense in jet fighter / missile era. If they ever make an Ace Combat prequel game in a Strangereal equivalent of WW2, where close up analog bullet buzzing fighting is king, then the dog fight mode would make sense.
But no lie, the helicopter mode was kinda fun. It was a nice break from the usual gameplay. If future Ace Combat game wants to break up the story into multiple character's perspective again, they should put in a few helicopter missions. Not just as a gunship, but stealth infiltration with avoiding radar, non-lethal chase to capture enemy escaping in a car, or giving covering fire before extracting allies from a hot zone.
It's not like the game advertised a realistic experience, to be fair
@@fightertales There's realism and then believability. The tone of the game goes into it. If the story is less serious, then dog fight mode would feel more believable.
There is a certain romanization/dramatic of air combat and pilots before the age of jets and missile that feels like the dog fight mode would fit more with. I'm thinking of swashbuckling adventure of Crimson Skies or some slightly more over the top Hollywood movies. ACAH doesn't have that kind of tone.
@@ArchOfWinter Top Gun got away with being too close, of course that's just a movie.
I do agree that DFM would be more suited to something WWII inspired, though.
the dog fight mode was the worst thing about AC:AH, because you HAD to use it for certain enemies and the boss fight.
i see what you did there with the ending lol
Yes, I cover that.
I never got past level 2 of Air combat as a kid. But when I was red reintroduce to the franchise with Ace Combat 5 I immediately fell in love with the series and have played and bought every main line game since. RIP Chopper... why the fuck didn't you just bail out over the water 😢
Bad writing :/
I can't wait for the Ace Combat 3 video, it's spectacular
Im down for any ace combat video's you do.
The helicopter can barrel roll? 10/10, best game.
The last few videos I've seen about this game have only made me want to play it more, and those videos were mostly negative. It's refreshing to see a more in-depth look at what it has to offer rather than "it's gimmicky/not like other AC games, therefore bad". It's also pretty bold to call out the writing of some of the most beloved entries in the series, though it's a completely fair point that the anti-war messaging can be hampered by how much you get praised for being good at war. If anything, the fact that I still love those games in spite of that contradiction could imply that I might've loved Horizons if I ever got the chance to play it, which I won't because it's been delisted from Steam and getting a physical copy would also mean getting a console to play that physical copy on, and neither would be easy for me for various reasons.
Great defense. Love it when someone defends underrated gems.
I'll also say that Zero's anti-war message was far worse and more cringeworthy than 5's, at least on the Mercenary path. 5's may be, as you said, disingenuous, but it doesn't *actively shame you* like Zero's. Especially The Inferno, and all the dialogue your enemies utter when you destroy a yellow target.
I reminded how after i getting home after watching Top Gun Maverick in motion 4D i'm dusting off this before going back for a round of Skies Unknown.
Funny because AC7 have far better story, and the irony that even have a Top Gun Maverick DLC, when their stories are completely opposite, Maverick is a worship of the past, to a near fascist level, glorification of the past and the military, even that make no sense, one F22 could destroy F14 before they even realise that it was there, so there is no way that a F14 could fight against the enemies fighters.
I wonder if this game really even needed the Ace combat label behind it. I know it's an established franchise and that can help things sell but Ace combat isn't exactly super mainstream to begin with
Compared to the rest of the series, this one is definitely an odd duck and it is also clearly trying to capitalize on more popular gaming trends at the time
So there's a lot of things in it that aren't my favorite compared to the others.
But if you're just looking for a sweet action game flying around jet fighters, there's way worse than this. This is better than H.A.W.X. by a mile
Your pacing is really good, I was like "wait it's already been eight minutes?" lol. Subbed
I didn't get to watch all the video. Perhaps there are so many things I have missed. But the ending, man... You truly know how to end a video. Great work :D