RC Plane with 3d-printed Motor and 3d-printed Propeller
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This video is about RC Plane with 3d-printed Motor and a 3d-printed Propeller. Motor performs with 100W and 70% efficiency. 400g thrust at 8300rpm. STL-Files and building instructions are published on makeSEA.
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This is an excellent project which reduces a number of old skills to something simpler using modern technology. In the old days the product was more sophisticated than the tools that made it, now it is a case that the product is never as complicated as the tool that made it.
In this particular case there are such a lot of sciences and skills that were reduced to a computer programme. But even so the skills of the practical side need to be known as to how much fusion does takes place to make a strong propeller and in addition to all the automatic components there is the winding and the placement of the magnets to produce a rotating magnetic field.
There is such a lot of appreciation and while we are at it , I would say that better streamlines support spokes could have been incorporated to keep the shroud of the propeller, being round they would have a lot of drag and turbulence. I love the manner in which the spinner incorporated part of the propeller, excellently conceived.
In a few years time no company will keep spare parts, but just a 3D printer in the corner somewhere and it will be used every time the spare part is needed. When the companies would sell you is the programme to do it with!!
Really I do not like the way we are going as education is producing people who do not seem to go through the whole education of the requirements to know such deep detail about many components. I feel that countries which produced oil seem to buy products which they own and the pride of ownership does never top the pride to have grown with the product from its conception and its making......... there are so many components in the human person which do not develop just because one owns a product or knows how to operate a machine. So modern people should be aware of the fact that knowing how to fill time sometimes needs careful consideration as there are moments when we are all alone without any machines around and we still have to keep same with a good mental state and good physical strength so one needs to improvise a system where one exercises the physical and the mental state of mind without so many sophisticated machines around to help you. Still it is a nice life we now lead but one must not despair when all machines around us do not work!!
It is the last day of the year 2016 so a happy and healthy new year 2017 to all. Congratulations the making of this project it is excellent in every way.
Just finished printing the Rotor with absolutely ZERO warping in ABS on COLD plate with 100% infill, .100 height and 260C nozzle temp, no raft, 4 layer skirt, 15 skirt outlines, 0.0 skirt offset and it came out BEAUTIFULLY after 11:23H!!!
what a great project. great one to teach kids electronics and 3d :)
minskmade I
definitely suitable for kids
Awesome! Thank you for that project, I always wondered if this was possible. Next step: buy myself an 3d printer.
Great project! It would be interesting to see the steps designing a propeller in CAD especially with specific measurements.
I was considering a printed motor for a different project but naysayers dissuaded me. I think my mind just got changed again. thanks for the ideas
Never listen to naysayers, they always lack vision and always think only things that have 100% success rate are projects to explore, but the fun is to experiment and improve stuff with iterative progress and you learn alot by failing.
So true! Naysayers are just people not capable of doing it themselves 😂👍
How do you keep the plastic from melting?
Nice project! Efficiency is higher, than I would expect. The material has only poor magnetic properties compared to real silicon steel laminations. And the rotor has no backiron. So there is an additional "air gap" in the flux pattern behind the magnets. Use a steel ring (tube cutting) instead. You can also integrate the ring in a printed part. This will also dramatically increase the strenght of the rotor and also the max rpm.
Would you please make a video, showing everyone how you wrapped the copper wire around the stator. I really would like to see the pattern.
There are illustrations and a description on www.makesea.com/brushless-motor - you have to scroll down a few pages.
very cool project
I suppose a much larger motor would be possible? Something similar to a Turnigy rotomax could be very interesting and with a low KV setup it could be quite robust
I am impressed about the power this motor can deliver with a plastic stator! l didnt know rc motors made with plastic stators could make any model plane to take off. Congrats!
This is fantastic.
wow! really nice, is it scalable? so could you just scale it up by 2 change some minor things and use it, that would be awesome!
Fantastic project. So glad to hear another Swiss genius on YT.
Cheers
Wow, nice work. I saw the thumb for the video in the sidebar and I was like "Oh bullshit, you did not *print* your frickin motor." I stand corrected!
Awesome video and project! Is that a carbon-fiber bed in your ultimaker? Also, what filament type did you use for this?
Yes, it's carbon. Printing with PETG. Great adhesion at 80°C.
Wonderful project! I have seen your other videos as well and all of them are very informative.
Regarding this video, at 4:13 to 4:15 you mentioned that plane takes an uncontrolled left turn; could that be due to gyroscopic effect introduced by the motor?
You should try it with a trainer glider style body or a delta wing. they both would make for a much more stable platform. check flitetest.com for foam board plans
flitetest is a good chanel
Oh no what happens to the links in the discretion 😢 it seems like that thy are not working anymore
Excellent video. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm hoping to get me a 3d printer soon. Will be trying this. Link to your video will be saved for future reference. :)
Abdu ElRhoulm
great
Oh how i would love to fly a model plane in a public open space here in North Staffordshire UK, but council are such ultra right morons it is band.
BTW I love you motor a truly great effort. I was going to try my 3D printed electrostatic motor (see my channel) in a plane but authorities in this area still think we are in the age of the steam train. I guess you have to feel sorry for them they are so far behind the times aviation hasn't happen here yet.
I think I have a design to improve propeller efficiency by about 33.3%
Would you consider 3D printing my design id I pay you?
Congratulation! very good job.
3D printer technology is improving really fast and prices are lower.
Very nice and interesting .. thank you for sharing
Christoph, on MakeSEA, I see the propeller page, and it says you can change the parameters of the props, but all that's there are STLs, .factory, STPs, and S3D files to download, only in 9x3 and 9x4... Any idea where the parametric part is available?
Hello Sir,
Need your help, I am RC Airplane hobbies.
Please suggest best low cost 3d printer under $450 .
Suggest in the view of Airplane components, durable, spare parts of printer available, large working area etc . .
Please guide . . .
That is impressive. I'm wondering that can the design be modified to convert the motor into a magnetic floating vertical axle bearing? Basically frictionless magnetic rotary bearing.
Whaau..mind blowing..Christoph
Ok, great video, but that transition effect is pretty horrific and bloody terrible on the eyes.
Oh i'd love to get my hands on that propeller STL... The video link is not working anymore, could You Update it? Thank You so much!!
Impressive project, congratulations! Looking forward to see the next iteration/plane. :-)
wow. what a fun build. so fun. great project to teach a kid elctronics and 3d printing.
This is seriously good work. Congrats and thank you so much for sharing the files and explanation.
if you make the wings by following aerodynamic principles it can flya far better and with less power i guess.
so what is the thrust measurement? I have a 3d printer. I want to make 400kv motor having 2000g thrust using 15" prop. I want to know if this is possible to do using plastic.
Has the above pages gone ? URL's are no longer working.
Would like to take a look to the motor build.
I noticed that you use a carbon fiber sheet for your print bed. Does it work better than glass? Any special tricks that get your prints to stick better on carbon fiber? do you use heat on the bed also? thanks
I'm printing PETG or PLA (no ABS). These materials stick perfectly - I just keep the bed clean (grease free) with some water and alcohol. I bought it at extrudr.eu/ It also works to print their BDP, which doesn't stick at all on glass.
Thanks Christoph. You bought the carbon fiber bed at extrudr.eu? or the materials? I didn't see the carbon fiber bed on the site. Also, do you required heat to print on the carbon fiber bed/sheet? Great video by the way, really cool that you were able to 3d print the motor stator and rotor.
extrudr.eu/collections/equipment/products/carbon-plate
I'm still heating it up to 80° for PETG and 60° for PLA
The motor and prop look to be pretty good. But the way it was fixed into the plane looks hopeless. Much to flexible. Flying wings don't need to be so lightweight, in my opinion.
You're right, but the "original" plane-design with the lighter (common) motor flies excellent: ruclips.net/video/zXV3GNcvId8/видео.html
????? if its tail heavy,,, why does it crash nose first
to get more power and efficiency u can modify the rotor outer diameter like 6mm smaller and put something like thin steel ring thickness around 3mm (note ring has to be tall as magnets) that way magnetic flux penetrates stator deeper and u can spin it up much hire rpm 😀
What printing surface are you using on your Ultimaker 2? I'm having problems with my glass bed chipping when using more advanced materials like Form Futura ApolloX and TitanX
carbon fiber
я хочу это всё повторить, всё очень очень интересно и уникально, самое главное такой мотор можно сделать и для машины, что выйдет гораздо дешевле ))
Would it be possible to print larger multi-section blades, with 1-2 carbon fiber rods inside them and epoxied together? Ie take the blade, cut it down the middle so it's half length, add a small hole or two for the rods, then print each half? I'm thinking for something like a 26x10" prop, 2, 3, or 4 blades. My build area is only ~ 8.5-9" (standard typical first machine size of 220x220x250 or so); assuming I did a blade diagnally, the largest I could print would be approx 310mm, or about 12". that's about half of a 26" diameter blade, so I might be able to get away with doing each blade in a single go without having to epoxy or doing CF supports.
What material did you print the blades in? I was thinking of starting with ABS, then working my way into either CF/Nylon or even Polycarbonate. I was even thinking of using them to just get the shape I need, then either casting them, or making molds to lay some Carbon Fiber, and/or using them as cores for CF coated blades.
I wonder what the cost of making a motor yourself vs buying one off the shelf would be? Is there any advantage, did you do a cost comparison to a similar motor? I supposed at the very least for a given size/winding yours would be lighter due to the plastic vs aluminum motor housings.
The project link doesn’t open. Please share another link to download the files
Is it still possible to get the STL files for this project? Thanks :)
Great, I am going to try to reproduce with my Engineering Students in the Course of Introduction to Electric Motor Design. Thank soooo muchhh Christoph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Best Regards from the North of Spain
Do you still have the STL File for the 3 Blade prop? I was looking & Couldn't find it!! I find your work really appealing...
You should find it on makeSEA. Maybe you need to register, before you have access.
www.makesea.com/mashmarket?p_p_id=141_INSTANCE_doReYoyki7Qc&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_count=4&p_r_p_564233524_resetCur=true&p_r_p_564233524_tag=propeller
After browsing all over I manage to find all the work that you have done and you have posted! thank you very much It is greatly appreciated.
Can you make stepper motor like NEMA17 ?
Printed and obtained all parts for the smaller motor but really need help with the Stator Winding Core. Any chance of a video showing how to wire this part?? Once mastered I want to build one of your 600w design.
I am just seeing this now in 2022. The concept didn't even occur to me. A 3d printed motor and stator are amazing ideas and I'm sure more power and efficiency has been obtained. I'd love to use this for some experements
The part of that the stator is plastic... the metallic stator make the electromagnetic field more smoother , I know that is very hard to make a Iron stator... you need to cut , slices of Iron and pressured together... if the press is not good , will end up have more current wasted then now... ok the weight is an issue but how much % characteristic you lose that we say is worth it! if you lose from 10 to even 20% of performance and power, may be I am okay with it! but more then this is not good! and I am not sure if the electric motor that u used is at the same level with that you make! If a motor is not made good At the stator , the stator will burn of temp and energy! so there you have Fe waste... there is some books that help you calculate and is not very easy way ... but you end see the motor like a transformer, and you take step by step , where the waste come from, is from Fe , is from Copper, is from pattern of the copper coils , is from an old bearing?
SUPER COOL thats CRAZY impressive
Wow I can't believe this is possible?! Great Job. Do you see an application for this tech seeing that a proper stator material like iron can give a motor half the size of yours 4 times the power? Are you planing to cast stators with 3d printed parts?
@christoph Laimer the propellers link does not work.
I thoroughly recommend Polymaker PC-Max filament. It's VERY strong, creates beautiful parts and can take more heat...
Very nice. One motor with fan blade can be arrange please
ive been following your build have you played with the idea that the radius of the motor looks more like .___|___| instead of .______| 'what you did', would it increase torque?
meaning magnets on the outer shell but also to an inner shell directly afixed to the main rotor
hi i have this all built and setup, i am using a 7.2v 2200 mAH battery and when i give full throttle i can see the motor jiggle back and forth and here it trying to sping but it seems like there isnt enough power, should i get a battery with mor mAh or volts, what should i do?
Try a battery with a higher voltage, but keep an eye on the rotation speed (don't exceed 15'000 rpm).
If it still doesn't work, it might be the ESC which has doesn't like this motor: At low rotation speeds the back-EMF is maybe not high enough to be "sensed" by the ESC. A cheap ESC is potentially not enough "sensitive". The rotor of this motor is also quite heavy, and it accelerates not as fast - maybe the ESC thinks that the motor is blocked, and stops the current.
Hopefully there is no mistake with your winding pattern: use an electric drill and a multimeter. Fix the shaft of the motor in the electric drill, and let is spin. It will work as a generator. Then measure the AC-voltages between the motor leads. The measured voltage should be similar for all 3 combinations. If you connect all the leads (short-circuit), you should clearly feel a torque. Even better if you had an oscilloscope: you would see a sine-wave.
Have you thought about running a carbon or aluminum rod to the propeller and placing the engine more towards the front, or would it not survive the torque?
damn god BRAVO ! quelle qualité d'impression, et vous semblez avoir fait un excellent travail de rédaction sur votre site web, j'y fonce! (what a print accuracy, and you seem to have redacted an great amount of knowledge on your web site, I run there right now! )
problem is they like to explode if run too fast.
Impressive - but I note the magnet mounting design must force the magnetic gap to be rather large, which must be impacting on the motor performance.
I was expecting you to use a beginner pusher to test the BLDC motor. Flight Test have some good models.
It could work for a drone? a big one clearly.
Would it be possible to decrease the number of magnets or use electromagnet I'm running low on magnets 😅😅
Damn, I just looked up 3d printers. Didn't know they got that cheap.
How did you design the parametric propeller? What tools did you use, and what were your design criteria?
Could you please tell me What the 3D printer you are using?
Files are not available anymore.
Impressive project. Congratulations +Christoph Laimer.
Have you considered improving the motor efficiency by improving the magnetic circuit reluctance by bridging the pure PLA parts with magnetic PLA?
Oops! That page can’t be found
what 3d printer would you recommend which is available at eBay
Awesome! Good job Chris, I hope you get the plane flying again with a better center of gravity.
I had this problem with a flying wing also. need more weight in the nose :p
cool project, plus the narration, its like werner herzog explains tech project
Hola comunidad , alguien que tenga la bondad de traducir este video para los que no sabemos este idioma???
Seria de agradecido
This is a very interesting experiment. Thank you for sharing your videos and the documentation (including the files).
Absolutelly fantastic work !!!! Would it be suitable to a quadcopter drone ?
is the armature printed with the iron impregnated filament? i think its sometimes called magnetic filament. if not this needs it
The stator is printed with magnetic PLA from Proto Pasta. Rotor is PETG.
Very clean print, i see that you use some custom bedplate, is that carbon fiber plate ?
As well I see that you have excellent print must be full infill , what brand of PLA are you using.
I saw on your makesea page that you recommend petg. but for long print i wonder if warping won't be an issue.
Anyway bravo, you have put a lot of time into this.
It's a common carbon plate 2.5mm thick. Motor and Propeller are printed with PETG (for this application I don't like PLA, because it's much more unpredictable brittle). It's all from www.extrudr.eu. Their PETG doesn't warp, and has very consistent quality.
thanks you
BEAUTIFUL! have you considered smoothing the props surface with acetone vapor? I think it will be more efficient.
I haven't even finished watching the video. AWESOME sir!. I've been designing the same thing on and off for a year. Still have not built it. Well done.
Most impressed.
Thanks for sharing. (I will have to download the stl though)
thanks again.
Nice work! I'm surprised you got that much power out of an ironless stator! :)
would the motor work in a multi-rotor copter without risk of burning out?
Hi
What is this sticker that you put in the build plate of the ultimaker?
what a smart guy... perfect print stuff just slid in place..
Too bad it's not more powerful
Better at electric motors than RC planes. Good work.
You forgot to make a profile (KFm) on the model.
nice ,these 3D printers are the future
Hey TTN, cool paper airplane! What kind of paper did you use? A great type of paper to use is Tyvek: it cuts easily, but is very hard to tear, and is waterproof/resistant, and is light. I first ran into it with floppy disk sleeves when I was a kid, but it's commonly used as a vapor barrier in building construction, and also often used for shipping envelopes.
Actually it only looks like paper but it's Depron. But the shape of the plane is from my smaller paper-plane. It's scaled up 5:1
i like a lot you info i am congratulations thanks for share.
Mr Laimer, Impressive work. Your creation is fascinating.
Great project, keep it up! I guess from your accent and from the markings on the plane, you're from Switzerland ;-)
This looks like an amazing project but the transitions in the video started driving me crazy. I'll come back later to see if I can get through more of the video.
I hope you'll be more conservative with the video transitions in the future. I'd really like to be able to see what you're doing without wanting to rip my eyes out.
I looked through the comments and I didn't see anyone else complaining about the video transitions. I find it hard to believe I'm the only one who found the transitions irritating. Was anyone else bothered by the transitions?
Sorry to come across as a jerk. It sure looks like you're doing amazing stuff.
I'm very curious to see how well your motor and propellers worked.
Sorry about that - next time I try to keep the plane longer in the air, so I'll have longer video sequences.
Duane Degn i think you're the only one who finds the transitions this irritating.
+Chimaeria "i think you're the only one who finds the transitions this irritating."
So far the evidence points to your being correct.
+Christoph Laimer Sorry for being so negative.
No problem - each to his own. I like that your feedback is very specific. If other people just click on "dislike", it's much more obscure to figure out the reason.
I didn't have an issue with transitions myself, but on an earlier project I noticed people could get a bit dizzy if I overdid it on crossfades. But it's really quite rare.
Gibts leute die solche 3D Motoren Herstellen und verkaufen? (Kann mir leider keinen 3D Drucker leisten...)
Eventuell gibt es bald auf www.makesea.com/mash-market einen Bausatz zu erwerben. Ich empfehle, gelegentlich da reinzuschauen. Ansonsten wäre www.3dhubs.com/ eine Alternative, die Teile drucken zu lassen.
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what about using plastic casing tho surely this will melt once run for a while causing it to most likely break apart
oh wait i just watched your other vid showing it explode at full rpm i guess i was right about it breaking apart
all propellors do that at a certain rotational velocity, but the other video showing the destruction wasn't due to heat, just centrifugal forces
I want five PC's motor and it's control