@@diepotatohead i am on 11.7 in the british tree. they have pretty good tanks and i can actually consider myself a british main. but the poor reverse speed on the grind to the top can turn off players - not much leeway when reversing out of trouble.
In the game you might make the argument but we actually have real life proof from the war in Ukraine that the reverse speed from the superior transmission and engine makes the T-80 superior when facing off against other tanks. Keep in mind almost all tank on tank engagements end after the first shot so not being hit is better then superior armor.
I do agree in irl and in game the T90M should get a better reverse gear but i also watched many videos about the war and the T90M feels much more durable against dronestrikes which is way far more common than actual tank engagements. T90M crew most of the times survives these drone attacks, not like the 80s😢
@@seronax-games112That’s just due to the turret/ERA. You can easily place the turret on a T-80 chassis. The reason they don’t produce ore T-80 is because they got swallowed up by the T-90 creators so they have to market their less thought out design to not look bad… Capitalism > Safety of crew.
@@BARelement I wish we could get a T-80M , with that turret and spall liners, that would be nuts! Or just upgrading the T90M reverse gear and problem solved 😄
I was useing T84u with t90m turret in cursed tank similator it was a bad idea after I bought type 10 turret for T84u hull front armor has 800mm kinetic armor but turret average 600mm
I just learned about the laser detector. That explains how the T-90 had that 6th sense one time I pinged it.... Killed me before I could load next round 😮
@@danielelombardo8196 T-90M has the same autoloader as T-72. It is a T-90 a "upgraded" T-72. The major upgrades include a welded turret armor and much more. It is fully not the same as a T-72 but its based on it.
IRL I take the T90M over the BVM any day T90M also gets muzzle refrence system basicly as the gun gets hotter and starts to bend down slowls the system automaticly corrects no other soviet/russian tank has such system after the barrel bends down to much your shots will start going off not to mention the bad base armor under the Relikt armor for the BVM they toke T-80Bs and just slaped relikt and thermals on that damn turret composite is from the 1980s M829A3 or any other sabot round with anti ERA tipp will go throw
The Reload Rate and ability to escape really doesn't allow the T-90M to outperform the T-80BVM. The mobility of the T-80BVM also makes it more durable at high speeds simply because it can be hard to hit its weak points accurately when it zooms around.
Я хер знает чем страдали конструкторы когда делали т-14 армату, ведь у нее автомат заряжание который оснастили минусами автоматов т-72 и т-80, а именно большие габариты и раздельное размещение гильзы и снаряда
I've played on both of them and I stopped using T-80BVM right after I got T-90M. Now my 2nd spawn is usually Ka-50/ T-72sm3. Btw, T-90m's engine is less noisy, and the gun has a little more depression. Bad reverse speed doesn't matter if in right hands. (T90m winrate is over 65% and positive k/d )
90M has gen 2 while BVM has gen 3. And even so BVM is still better cuz reload and mobility are far more important then having slightly better protection and a CITV. Also optics don't really matter that much unless they are like fixed zoom or have bad magnification. Cuz 122a is still the best tank in game while it only has gen 1
T-90m spalliner only works if you got shot from uper side angle, a little low and a large amount of spall it's created, and all fuel tanks generate a HUGE amount of spall them i think T-80BVM better in protection considering both cook ammo with minor spall hit
The BVM still dominates i think. It is just overall more snappy and you tank a bit stronger APFSDS projectiles as the 90M. The 90M tho has better protection against missles.
I feel like the t80 bvm is better because the t90ms weakspots are the same but more exposed, not to mention with less mobility. It's just an easy target for everyone using rounds over 600 mms of penetration where the t80 bvm and its great speed gets away with is great mobility
@@kaljamaistuuperjantaisin So by this logic the Leopard 2A6 and M1A1SA tanks that's been destroyed in Ukraine are bad tanks since they've been destroyed.
the t90s reverse drive kills it for me
haha i know...it's painful, but it looks too badass to not play it :D
that’s probably the only thing that ruins it. If it had reverse like in bvm it would be OP
It's not only T-90s/T-72s , EVERY Soviet/Russian has "no retreat" order
@@ghostwithmp-5 is-2 :
It's okay to have a premium T90m with 15km reverse gear
T-80 for me: that reverse speed is the difference between life or death in an emergency.
never play the british tech tree then lmfao
@@diepotatohead i am on 11.7 in the british tree. they have pretty good tanks and i can actually consider myself a british main.
but the poor reverse speed on the grind to the top can turn off players - not much leeway when reversing out of trouble.
@@HONGKELDONGKEL1888and once you get to the challengers, its amazing with reverse 🔥
@@diepotatohead Tortoise have a excelent reverse Speed and good protection
t-80BVM=offense
t-90M=defense
T80 roadwheels suck
This shit is funny because most Russians call t-90 offense vehicle (can confirm because I live here)
@@City1Tiger bruh what??
@@City1Tiger still much better than t-64😂
t80bvm acts like a k2 black panther the same role while the t90m is the "charge with ur head cut off and hope for the best"
Oh wow the production quality is quite nice for a short, well done!
In the game you might make the argument but we actually have real life proof from the war in Ukraine that the reverse speed from the superior transmission and engine makes the T-80 superior when facing off against other tanks.
Keep in mind almost all tank on tank engagements end after the first shot so not being hit is better then superior armor.
I do agree in irl and in game the T90M should get a better reverse gear but
i also watched many videos about the war and the T90M feels much more durable against dronestrikes which is way far more common than actual tank engagements.
T90M crew most of the times survives these drone attacks, not like the 80s😢
@@seronax-games112That’s just due to the turret/ERA. You can easily place the turret on a T-80 chassis. The reason they don’t produce ore T-80 is because they got swallowed up by the T-90 creators so they have to market their less thought out design to not look bad… Capitalism > Safety of crew.
@@BARelement I wish we could get a T-80M , with that turret and spall liners, that would be nuts! Or just upgrading the T90M reverse gear and problem solved 😄
@@seronax-games112 Not gonna happen. #Russiancapitalismandcorruption.
@@BARelement учитывая, что на более новых версиях Т-90М нормальная скорость заднего хода, твой комментарий ещё смешнее.
3D T-90M VS Real T-90M Wich one is better let's find out
i love both :D looks dope
There are no better Russian tanks
All Russian tanks is better
(Just meme, don't take it serious)
3D printed wins
The mobility of the t80 is huge
БВМ для блицкрига, "Прорыв" для... Прорыва
T-90M for me, as a Russian Main, I rarely reverse and just hold W anyways. I've learned that being aggressive in a Russian Tank is the way lol
My brain:
T-80BVM+T-90M=
T-90BVM?
I really hope oneday we gonna have a new generation of 90MV and 80BVM :D
I was useing T84u with t90m turret in cursed tank similator it was a bad idea after I bought type 10 turret for T84u hull front armor has 800mm kinetic armor but turret average 600mm
Ukraine has not been sleeping since this man dropped this contraption…
T-80BVM+T-90M = T-90M Obr.2023 finally good reverse speed of 15kmh and more armor.
No its the T-170.MBVM
I just learned about the laser detector. That explains how the T-90 had that 6th sense one time I pinged it.... Killed me before I could load next round 😮
T-90 is basically a T-72 with makeup
T-72 collector edition
the T-90M is completely different from the T-72 in everything aside from the hull maybe. You could say that for the T-90A i guess
@@danielelombardo8196 T-90M has the same autoloader as T-72. It is a T-90 a "upgraded" T-72. The major upgrades include a welded turret armor and much more. It is fully not the same as a T-72 but its based on it.
@@MrTefe i guess but that would be like saying that a Leopard 7 is just a Leopard 4 with makeup
@@danielelombardo8196 But it is a Leopard 2. (2)A4 (2)A7.
Now T-(72) T-(90)
So technically you are right but after all it is a Leopard 2
I like su-27 more because better reverse speed
It has no reverse speed bro
@@broygamer3338Oh fr?
Me: "playing both"
You're not going to convince me that Leo's and Abrams have Gen 1 thermals and gaijin is that confident the bvm has gen 3
Real
Irl the bvm, t72b3 and t90m have 3 gen or 2 gen thermals
@letankiste2340 yeah if you looked at them now, but when they were being made no. Same reason they gave for not giving gen 2 or gen 3 to the abrams.
@@trevorowens5373 heu no the purpose of the bvl,b3, etc is to upgrade the tank to modern standarts so they always got the gen 2 thermals
All top tier leopards have 3rd gen thermals lol.Try commander sight
Mans forgot that the T-72 style AL can get additional armor unlike the T-64 AL
Do T80UD vs T-72AV Turms T next!
Bro brings AoE2 being attacked sound effect back, i need that for my LWS system sound effect😂
Т-90М если хочешь потанковать
Т-80БВМ если хочешь что-то мобильное)
BVM having less spall than the T90M with spall lines lol
IRL I take the T90M over the BVM any day
T90M also gets muzzle refrence system basicly as the gun gets hotter and starts to bend down slowls the system automaticly corrects
no other soviet/russian tank has such system after the barrel bends down to much your shots will start going off
not to mention the bad base armor under the Relikt armor for the BVM they toke T-80Bs and just slaped relikt and thermals on that damn turret composite is from the 1980s M829A3 or any other sabot round with anti ERA tipp will go throw
Also best tank when it comes to survivability against drones.
Also helps that even without the spall liner the BVM does not generate spall in game
It generates lol
The Reload Rate and ability to escape really doesn't allow the T-90M to outperform the T-80BVM. The mobility of the T-80BVM also makes it more durable at high speeds simply because it can be hard to hit its weak points accurately when it zooms around.
ngl the era coverage of the BVM is just bad at the turret and the 1980s turret under it dosent help also
@@rayotoxi1509 It doesn't matter when you're that fast and mobile.
Speed is life in this game, so bvm takes it. Bvm’s armour also is way much unpredictable, sometimes it just eats darts like they’re nothin
Champion for its turret leaping in the heavens hahha
War Thunder in 2030 will have newest T-90M with much better reverse speed
Я хер знает чем страдали конструкторы когда делали т-14 армату, ведь у нее автомат заряжание который оснастили минусами автоматов т-72 и т-80, а именно большие габариты и раздельное размещение гильзы и снаряда
I've played on both of them and I stopped using T-80BVM right after I got T-90M. Now my 2nd spawn is usually Ka-50/ T-72sm3. Btw, T-90m's engine is less noisy, and the gun has a little more depression. Bad reverse speed doesn't matter if in right hands. (T90m winrate is over 65% and positive k/d )
I have both.I think t90m is for long range battles and t80bvm is for fast and furious rushes.I like t80bvm more
Bvm is easily the winner here, mobility and fast reload with good enough armor is what matters...
T90 while you want to be defensive and T80 when you want agressive playstyle... both are pretty solid tanks tho
The T-90M has a reverse speed of 15 km/h on its modern modification... And all these tanks are very beautiful and everyone loves them for that!
I have classified documents for both lmao
cool
90M has gen 2 while BVM has gen 3. And even so BVM is still better cuz reload and mobility are far more important then having slightly better protection and a CITV. Also optics don't really matter that much unless they are like fixed zoom or have bad magnification. Cuz 122a is still the best tank in game while it only has gen 1
T90M because T80BVM is a modified version of the T80 and the T90 was made based of the T80BVM especially with improved turret armour
and the T90 itself was based of an T72.
@@BiskyYy was it T72
@@AdamSharif. it's the third generation of the T-72, it has a similar/same Hull, same engine, but different turrent layout.
@@BiskyYy thanks, didn’t know that
T-90m spalliner only works if you got shot from uper side angle, a little low and a large amount of spall it's created, and all fuel tanks generate a HUGE amount of spall them i think T-80BVM better in protection considering both cook ammo with minor spall hit
As an American main, i enjoy playing the BVM more its funnier
Was there a AoE 2 reference? 😮
Personally i like both equally, i perform well in both MBTs and while they have their flaws, both are amazing and have to played differently
The biggest thing that makes me prefer the T-90 over the T-80 is the fact its fuel tanks can’t explode
Tu es clairement FR 😂
obviously the t90 wins by the funny factor alone, we sending turrents to space
Next do Leopard 2a7 vs Leopard 2a7 HU
No, the reverse speed kills it
BVM but they are both incredibly powerful
The BVM still dominates i think. It is just overall more snappy and you tank a bit stronger APFSDS projectiles as the 90M. The 90M tho has better protection against missles.
For me , the only thing that kills the T-90M is the bad transmission and the 7.1 Sec reload speed
depends, T90 is more of a sniper while the T80 is more of a brawler but the difference is too light in my opinion to play em lota different
T-84 “Oplot-2M”
my opinion is they both good and can be used in different maps
Personally t80bvm is way better than the t90m. I will always pick t80UK over t90m anyway but when I fet the bvm I will always play that instead
T-90M isnt even worth a mention, let alone a comparison win
I feel like the t80 bvm is better because the t90ms weakspots are the same but more exposed, not to mention with less mobility. It's just an easy target for everyone using rounds over 600 mms of penetration where the t80 bvm and its great speed gets away with is great mobility
T-80BVM obr.2023 got better reverse -23 km/h but still no depression
Thanks good vid
The only thing t90m is better at is pure shell tanking but sometimes bvm is also good at that. Bvm is just superior in my opinion
i would say ive played russia top tier and the t-80 is better because of reverse speed but just depends how you play
i usually pick the T80BVM as first pick, rush to cap a point and if i die i bring in the T90M.
T90 have very slow reverse speed
T80s are very good MBTs, T90/72s? Very awful due to their worse engines
T-series tanks in real life: 💀
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@@kingzzp613Guy thinks because a tank gets destroyed in a war that must mean it's a bad tank.
@@IceAxe1940 yes it means exactly that
@@kaljamaistuuperjantaisin So by this logic the Leopard 2A6 and M1A1SA tanks that's been destroyed in Ukraine are bad tanks since they've been destroyed.
T90 tanks is really god, but for it's own doctrine
BVM already has spall liner its fuel tanks
t90m is better because it has spall liner, if everything else was as it is but neither had spall liner t80bvm would be better
t-80bvm has lower profile and in combination with better kobility and reload speed i'd say the t-80bvm is better than t-90m
Why cant they just re designs their transmission
Russian bias... Both have rocket propelled turrets as we can see in Ukraine 🤣
I see more Bengal fire Abrams and Leopards
t90m is not better, trust me. from both using it and shooting at it its survivabilty is bad
T-80bvm is better and more fun to play
T90m got second gen thermal and bvm 3 gen there is a web and there are all thermals
IS 7 is the goat
T80bvm is so much better it may be weak but it is fast and can run away well if you miss a shot in T90m you better start praying to the snail
Isn't it the same thing?
T-90M crab eyes makes me like it alot
El T-90M tiene mejor supervivencia y tecnologias que el T-80 y este solo tiene mejor movilidad
both win the turret toss high jump
Both have a killer gun
T90m for sure
I like the t 80 more
I just don't get it why russia create a tank so powerful but has slow af reverse move
A 200$ Ukrainian drone can take it out
same goes to any western MBT 😅 drones owns tanks no matter how good or bad their design
Not true! A T90M took 7 Drones to the turret without even taking damage…. can’t say the same for the Abrams.
well i mean fpvs are pretty OP nowdays. Well, but Russians invented cages for it
t 80 is op
Bros comparing two Russian spaceships
T80 is better lol
Russian bias
Shity tanks.... Same crap
This is a game.
npc ahh behaviour