Your logic is undeniable. People are fed up with the crazy prices of many motorcycles today, yet still want to have fun. The MT450 is all the power you need in the real world whether on or off road. That it’s comfortable, has fully adjustable suspension and tubeless tyres, along with that wonderful 450 twin engine is fantastic. It’s probably the biggest bargain in biking today and I believe will sell by the millions - literally.
@@podunkman2709 its not a super powerful engine of course, but it easily does 60km/h in 2nd.. 90 in 3rd, 110 in 4th, etc. Top speed around 160, cruise/comfortable/efficient speed at 120
the 450MT is absolutely great, we are loving ours (we have two!). The bike is more than fast enough, it easily cruises at 100km/h on highways, and it has more than enough torque for offroad. The light is VERY good so you won't need more lights on it, it sounds great, good tyres, and it's cheap! Comes with lots of upgrades by default, and any extras will be cheap as well. The quality is surprisingly good, and despite the 194kg, it feels MUCH lighter than the Africa Twin (our previous bikes).
i bought a 450mt 5 days ago, i have done around 300km on it and here is what i have to say so far Pros - the torque, this engine is full of torgue in almost the whole rpm range (im still braking it in, sto i have only gone up to 6k rpms) - sitting position is as comfortable as it gets - the weight, although not an enduro, still pretty light to move around and lift the tail to manuver - the technology on it is the right amount imo, not too much but definatelly not lacking. -the chassis feels very sturdy and can take corners on road like a dream (haven't tried it off road yet) - fully adjustable suspensions (also KYB suspensions) -fuel consumption is very good, you can cruise at 110km/h with a stated consuption of 2.7-3.2 litres per 100km -stock tyres feel ok on road, so no major need to change them immediately (maybe this is needed for more of an off road use) - front brake GRABS HARD, but in a good way, havent felt any danger from my brakes in mountain twisty roads yet - the lights are exceptionally good, high beams pretty makes turns the night to a day Cons - the stock wind shield is laughably small and needs to be changed if you are going to do long travels with it (although the small wind screen is probably a lot better for off road) -rear brake abs seems to be too sensitive? not a major problem since you can turn it off but it is what it is -the pillion handle bars protrude a bit when the bike is on its side stand, so me being the einstein i am, i hit my leg quite often at them when i mount the bike - the clutch felt very light the day i got it but later figured out it wasnt tightened propetly (this is more on my dealer and not the bike) -front sprecket probably needs to be changed froma 14 to a 15 and it will probably solve most of the gearing issues - its a 450, its makes 40~hp at the wheel, its ok, it would be better if it had more XD Overall, i really like it so far, i was keeping my hopes down before i got it but up until now it over delivers
@@tuanoful almost 5k km, did some off road but mostly on road, very happy with it It's top speed is about 162 on the dash for me, me being a food enthusiast, with a bigger windscreen and a top box, very acceptable performance in my opinion
@@renektop6820 Thanks for replying! I have more questions, if you don't mind. I don't need speed, a near death fall humbled me Im 90kilos and if I can cruise at 120/130 km/h, I'm more than satisfied. Is it comfortable at that speed? And how does it feel in city commute when filtering and in traffic? The price here in Mexico is REALLY good
@@tuanoful I'm heavier than you by a considerable amount (I'm 120kg) and with a 15 tooth sprocket in the front and a dna air filter the bike will cruise at 120 at 6k rpms, 110 at 5k if you want the engine to be even more relaxed In traffic its as good as a full sized adv can get honestly, I had a versys 650 before the 450mt and I feel I filter through traffic better with the 450
New bike, a new project, Diogo. I'm sure you will improve the bike. And we learn a lot from your experience. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg (I'm paid to be patient, great phrase)
I didn't watch a video from you in a long time, always nice and fresh! This bike is more and more interesting to me. It's as you say, how fast do you really need to go.. it's like how Honda should have made the CB500X from the beginning..
Can’t wait to see what you do to it. I have a deposit on one and can’t wait; it’s suppose to be here in Michigan in August..I keep my fingers crossed. I ride a 300CRFL Rally now and it’s been a lot of fun with the Rally Raid Suspension but we have a lot of highways in between the good stuff in the US so I am betting on the 450 MT to help me with that. That said the 300 is staying in the garage as this bike is so much fun and it fits very well on a bumper in the back of my truck.
Great logic and what I'm planning. Coming from a 2012 Triumph 800XC I want sometning a little lighter and little more modern, but still "OK" for the road. I don't use the power of the 800 triple (but do LOVE the engine - I'll miss that!) so I think this will be enough. You know, it's way more fun riding a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow! Greetings from Aus.
Good to see you again and greetings from Australia! :) So funny , we ordered one 3 weeks ago, after test riding one! -It just felt so easy and relaxed to ride.. yet a capable adventure bike. It's gonna be traveling out bush here in WA ( I will be on my Norden and the Gf on her MT) and we will see how it holds up in real life! Keep the good work up !
Congratulations Diogo. Sounds like a really cool bike. Price-wise, it is unmatched, and if it's reliable, it's a no-brainer bike. I'm actually very curious about the Kove 450.
Hello Diogo, its great to see you again! The Yamaha XT660 certainly earned a spot in the pasture. Well played XT, well played. I think you've made a wise decision that will be fun as well.
Ahahahaha! "A spot in the pasture"...brilliant! I actually sold it to a close friend who wants to refurbish it and make it top notch! An honorable pasture indeed :D
So good to have you back! Great points! Very valid and sound thinking. Super interesting to see how it works out for you. Congratulations on the new bike!
great honest review; thank you; as an older rider and ex-racer i feel my enduro weapons are getting a bit too much as my pace slows down; they are not comfortable and they are hard to just cruise on; they demand 100% focus and attention at all times; you have me thinking about this bike as i had never really considered it as replacement for my racing steeds; your comments about build quality have impressed me; made in China (poor quality) is why i haven't really considered CF Moto until watching this video.
I've always been the same way mate but China are finally turning out some decent stuff! Pretty good bang for buck with this bike. Keen to see what the long term longevity is like :)
@@leighhill9185 at under 10K on road here in Australia, no doubt it is great value for money even if it does need a rebuild after 12 months; let's face it, a 15K Enduro bike from the 'name' manufacturers often need a rebuild after 12 months of riding it like it was meant to be ridden; some of these models are a non-stop problem off the show-room floor and need many upgrades just to do what it says on the box; then there is the fact that most of the 'name' brands are built with Chinese made components these days...i believe some of KTM's line-up are actually built in China...no doubt other brands are too; i gave this bike some serious thought last night and i think i have my mind set...just need to go and do a 'fit and feel' test first. i'm of the 'bigger' variety so ergo's and suspension are always a challenge and the fact this bike has KYB at both ends has already ticked a major box; Heavier springs and maybe valve tweaking should be an easy mission.
After decades of the mainline motorcycle cartel refusing to make the ADV bike so many of us want, to protect the sales of their heavy mid and full size ADV bikes, I'm glad to see others making ADV bikes that are light enough to function well off road but with enough power to cruise on highways without being at maximum RPM. 450 cc seems like the sweet spot. I'd prefer a single cylinder and even lighter weight, something more like an ADV version of the Kove 500 Rally.
Finally a video talking about the bike as it is and not with tendencies of being Chinese or other things like that. We will be here to see the evolution of the machine before changing ours....
Interessante, o preço parece bem ajustado. Optei pela T7, estou super satisfeito com a mota, tem uma ciclística de outro mundo, uma desportiva em estrada e uma moto de motocross para quem souber. Só troco quando aparecer outra no mercado com o dobro da potência e metade do peso.
Currently, I ride a 2022 Himalayan 410. I was initially waiting for the new Himalayan, but I was disappointed with its design. So, I decided to invest some money in my current bike (DNA filter with cover, grips, exhaust, FuelX Lite). However, in the next year or two, I plan to switch my bike, and right now, CF Moto is at the top of my list. As I respect your opinions on bikes, I am eagerly awaiting your first in-depth review.
Thanks for watching my stuff :P A note: As you can probably understand from my video, I didnt chose the 450MT because i thought it was A GREAT motorcycle, but because it was, by far, the most interesting motorcycle for a low amount of money. I will need to test it a lot more before I draw final conclusion, but right now I am not necessarily recommending it to anyone because its not super good for off-road and also not super good for on-road. Its a beautiful "Meh!" and that interests me at this stage of my life xD
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I understand that, but I'm more of a traveler than an enduro/MX rider. I ride mostly unpaved roads, and right now, my trusty Himalayan is doing an excellent job. I bought the Himalayan after not riding for 32 years, and after 3 years, I feel ready for a bit more power. However, I'm not considering anything above 500cc as I don't ride on highways and prefer small roads. In 2023, I traveled from Croatia to Morocco without using highways. That's why I think the baby Tenere (CF Moto) would be a good choice for me. I've always wished Yamaha would make a 400-500cc Tenere.
hi Diogo, me as an owner of 450MT. Don't forget add a hand guards, those they have from factory are just for decoration, also get a wider platform for side stand. bash plate is must have, other wise you can say "bye bye" to carter. I hit original once and now just hanging on the wall, have a proper now. Upper crash bars better have + good bashplate, enough for most scenarios. Best
The bash plate was the first thing i bought, but I will probably not install any crash bars. I dont mind a few scratches, but I do mind the extra weight :P My goal is to keep this thing as lightweight as possible :)
I have the Aprilia Tuareg 660 anf a CRF 250L...i am considering to change both bikes by a CFMoto 450 MT, something in the middle of those bikes...less costs an cheap bike for on and off road..but still think is too heavy for off road, i almost don't use my Tuareg on the dirt for that reason even when i know lot people say Tuareg is not too heavy for off road for me is, 205 kg is heavy, and the CFMoto is just 10kg lighter...the CFR is ok for off road but not adecuate for the tarmac, also the suspensions are so weak!!!
I had a Tuareg - good bike but I didn't bond with it because I was looking for one bike to do everything and it was too heavy for me to confidently go offroad by myself. Tried to find the unicorn and bought a Kove 405 Rally. Later, I found a great deal on a Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE, which I adore, but will never take off-road due to its weight (it's gorgeous tho). Now, I am going to sell the Kove and I'm thinking about a CRF300L as my trail bike, which essentially puts me where you are now. If I were going for one bike I would be very tempted by the CFMoto. The Kove was a bit loud and spartan for the road, but too fast and bulky for poking about the single trails. The CFMoto seems like a better compromise if you plan on using tarmac to get to the trails. That would be rough on the Kove.
Hello! I dont think the 450MT will feel game-changer offroad, compared to the Tuareg. Maybe sligthly lower, if even... you will lose ON-road without gaining much OFF-road. Consider instead a big dual-sport like a AJP PR7, a Suzuki DR650, a KTM690 / GASGAS 700 / Husky 701, etc :)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse that is question...and my doubt, because the 450MT is clearly two steps down from de Tuareg on the road, and maybe there is not so much diferent about the weight.....
Fechei os olhos e ouvi a minha tê-sete de facto. 😮 Estou muito curioso pelos próximos vídeos com essa mota e até por um dia testar uma para perceber se o power seria suficiente para me fazer sorrir como a que tenho e se a diferença de peso/centro de gravidade é algo que faça A diferença.
V kool! I've been eyeing this 450mt vs the Kove 800x (2xhp & 5-10kg lighter but more $$$ ofcos) but I am somewhat apprenhensive re. a new model, nevermind a new model from Chinese brands that I've zero knowledge on. Imagine my elation to hear thoughts from a pro, atleast a pro who actually rides adv bikes for a living. Will be eagerly awaiting your future experiences with this Cfmoto 450mt. Subscribed 🤘
Hello! Well, on paper the Kove 800X is the perfect bike... so much so that it even gives me a "bad feeling" :P I'm eager to try one, but I must admit that I have a feeling of "this is too good to be true". Also, CFMoto has already been a serious brand for many years, with proven performance in the European market... Kove on the other hand appeared a bit "out of nowehere" and MAYBE it is taking bigger steps than it can handle (I'm saying this based on absolutely nothing real, because I haven't tried any Koves yet)
Hello Diogo! Such a long time without a new video Congrats on your new ride, and waiting for the review. 450mt and hima450 are the two im looking up to, while waiting on xpulse400 and honda cb350x. Hopefully by next year... Damn i envy that price point! Hopefully, a trip to sunny Portugal could also be in the cards... Glad to see you are doing well!
I currently ride a 1990 Yamaha XT 600 and can't wait to see what you do with this thing. I've watched every video I can find since I've heard about it and think it will probably be my next purchase here in Middle TN ..USA!!
Looking forward to see future modifications and what the bike is capable of. Is it possible for You to get access to the service manual? id like to know more about the proper maintenance of the bike.
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Looking forward to more videos of this awesome combo: you + the 450MT!
Thanks for the video. As a youtuber, you will test this engine for all of us, less brave. Many of us are now impatiently waiting to see what KTM will do with the 390 adventure R and Enduro 2025. There is a lot of talk and we hope that the mountain will not shake and give birth to a mouse. I'm also interested in why you didn't decide on the Kove 450 rally or the Kove 800x adventure pro. The reasons can be understood from the description in video, but still...
The reasons were exactly those.... i aman instructor/guide, i really didnt want a 140kg "rally bike"... the cfmoto was supposed to be a morr calm, comfortable and easy going bike BUT, to my surprise, this thing loves it fast (and doesnt really like slow xD) Oh well... i am happy anyway
I’m new on your channel. But before watching this movie I thought that this bike is nice successor for XT660 and found it here :) I saw this bike yesterday, in live, at dealership. I can confirm about quality what you mentioned. And sound? I love it. I’m willing to see your upgrades and if you will be doing it please put some accessories sources to quickly find please ;)
Excelente escolha! 👌 Vou para a semana fazer a revisão dos 1000km, e tendo andado apenas até à faixa das 6500 rpm é uma mota muito muito divertida. Estradões e nacionais é onde sinto a mota mais capaz, e que melhor se adequa ao escalonamento da caixa. Em zonas mais técnicas fora de estrada sente-se um bocado o peso, o que era de esperar não sendo uma mota de enduro pura. Travagem mais do que suficiente, suspensão muito competente especialmente a da frente, motor bastante linear e cheio com boas baixas e médias, ainda não experimentei os regimes mais altos. Apaixonado pelo som com o escape stock, a fazer lembrar o de uma tenere 😎 O que oferece pelo preço que custa, acho que não há atualmente alternativa melhor no mercado! Quando vieres buscar a máquina, se quiseres avisa que tenho todo o gosto em pagar um café 👊 Abraço
Olha, no papel a Kove 800X é a moto perfeita... tanto que até me da um "bad feeling" :P Estou deserto para testar uma, mas devo admitir que estou com uma sensaçao de "isto é bom de mais para ser verdade". Tambem temos de ver que a CFMoto ja é uma marca séria ha muitos anos, com provas dadas no mercado europeu...a Kove apareceu assim um bocado de para-quedas e TALVEZ esteja a dar passos maiores que a perna (tou a dizer isto baseado em absolutamente nada real, porque ainda nao conduzi Kove nenhuma)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse it is a new event, they are branching out from their events in England. I will be back in Porto for October and November, so yes I am thinking of going, I am waiting for them to release the full agenda to see if I can get involved in the activities as I won't have my bike with me on this trip 😭
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looking for something that might be a good al rounder, but 70% in town usage, 20% of riding on road and 10% off... not sure this would do it. but I really like it visually...will test ride it soon.
The MT 450 is a T7 for poor short guys like me I think. Good Choice Diogo !! Am waiting arrival in UK and will give it a try. Even my Mrs likes the looks and the technicals and low cost. Enough to keep me happy I think.
á partida nao vou mudar porque eu quase so ando na terra (ou a caminho da terra), e como raramente toco em AE, nao me compensa perder a aceleração =) Acho que se for pa fazer estrada e offroad muito ligeiro, outras motos serão uma opção mais sensata
10k for a mint AT? Not here in Portugal definitely... :o And still, its quite a different experience, a 245kg bike vs a 190kg one. And like i said... i am choosing this bike because it is interesting, not because it is "the best" :D
O que me dizes da cfmoto 450mt vs kove 800x? Praticamente o mesmo peso, mais cilindrada e cv pa kove, o preço é que muda. Mas se puderes diz algo sobre isto
Olha, no papel a Kove 800X é a moto perfeita... tanto que até me da um "bad feeling" :P Estou deserto para testar uma, mas devo admitir que estou com uma sensaçao de "isto é bom de mais para ser verdade". Tambem temos de ver que a CFMoto ja é uma marca séria ha muitos anos, com provas dadas no mercado europeu...a Kove apareceu assim um bocado de para-quedas e TALVEZ esteja a dar passos maiores que a perna (tou a dizer isto baseado em absolutamente nada real, porque ainda nao conduzi Kove nenhuma)
Nice bike for not too much money! ❕ QUESTION ❗; could you make a video about setting up your suspension? static, preload, damping, rebound,... ? THANKS! ♥
Boas Diogo. Parabéns pelo conteúdo! Profissional, interessante e diferente do que se vê pelo youtube. Tambem estou à espera da minha 450... Queria perguntar onde vais encomendar o protetor de motor e crash bars? Pelo que percebi, na marca estão esgotados e ouvi dizer que a cross pro já estava a fazer moldes...
Vivas Luisa! olha, eu mandei vir do AliExpress.... afinal de contas, é o moto chinesa, não é verdade? :P Eles ja têm la no Ali todos os acessórios e mais alguns :)
The PR7 is a high performance dual-sport, the 450mt is an "Ok" performance adv bike. You cant really compare them i think :/ I will try to make a video explaining these things (and also compare it with the crf300L)
thats something I've been thinking a lot about, but without the bike its hard to reach conclusions... lithium battery, short license plate holder and perhaps decatting the exaust are the best/most obvious places do save 6-7kg, but beyond that it will be hard. I need to look and strip the bike to try to understand if there is something else
That engine is very very VERY smooth.... people complain that at 100kph you have 6000rpms, but thats nothing for that engine. The redline is at 9000 and even at the redline the bike seems to be asking for more (and this is coming from someone who hates making bikes "scream")
6k rpm at 100km/h is kinda a lot but if you don t do much on road it s fine i guess. for off road, a good range in second gear is important and this bike seems to have it. T7 seems better but not 2 times better because the price is almost double
I also thought 6k rpm would be a lot until I tried the bike.... when you experience it you will understand that 6k rpm is just where that engine "opens up". Revving up 7-8k doesnt feel wrong on that bike at all
Very happy to see a new video. The CFMoto 450 is very interesting so I understand perfectly why you have bought it. With 44 ch and a very elastic twin 270° and the announced weight is 175 kg dry. I've seen that some get around 160-165 kg with a little work. So the about the ratio power/weight of many old 600 and more monos. A 270° twin is a plus compared to a mono for road riding. The ratio price/equipment (suspensions, tubeless oh yeah, size of wheels etc...)/general quality is outstanding, at 6500€ it's a bargain. 17.5l of gas give you more that 300km fast offroad, and far more if you go slow and quiet. We see that the Chinese engineers have used a lot of brain juice on this bike on the details to get a good compromise for a dual sports bike. For me the revealing detail is that they preferred to get less power in exchange of a very nice torque curb. Yes a very elastic and sweet engine is more efficient offroad. I feel that the 450 MT will be the reference in cheap light able adventure bike. I'll follow impatiently the next videos.
Amigo! Parabéns pela compra! Também estou à espera da minha, em azul com guarda-lamas baixo. Uma questão, referes que já compraste Crash-Bars, quais são? Da marca?
I'm considering this bike, the Himalayan 450 and the Caballero 500 Rally. The CFMoto has 21/18, but it's a lot heavier than the Fantic, which is 19/17. The Himalayan is also much heavier than the Fantic. So, being an offroad beginner, what matters most for making it easier to ride on offroad trails: the lower weight or the bigger wheels? Thanks!
hi, i like your approach ☺ Want to ask you to try out the new Himalayan 450, i'm hesitating between the CF and the new Himmi .... hope you'll give us your insights 🙏
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Your logic is undeniable. People are fed up with the crazy prices of many motorcycles today, yet still want to have fun. The MT450 is all the power you need in the real world whether on or off road. That it’s comfortable, has fully adjustable suspension and tubeless tyres, along with that wonderful 450 twin engine is fantastic. It’s probably the biggest bargain in biking today and I believe will sell by the millions - literally.
Indeed! Its half the price of the T7 for a lot more than half a T7 😂
I can't wait till they come to USA!
450cc weak engine is not a dream. U'll get it when u have get to the 5th gear to ride 50km/h.
@@podunkman2709Dude i ride my wife's KLX 300 and it'll hold 85mph all day long. And I'm a chunky boy. 450 is plenty! ☮️❤️
@@podunkman2709 its not a super powerful engine of course, but it easily does 60km/h in 2nd.. 90 in 3rd, 110 in 4th, etc.
Top speed around 160, cruise/comfortable/efficient speed at 120
Its been said a million times.
Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow!
Im pretty much sold on one of these
"I'm paid to be patient." Loved that line! And it makes sense within your decision.
the 450MT is absolutely great, we are loving ours (we have two!). The bike is more than fast enough, it easily cruises at 100km/h on highways, and it has more than enough torque for offroad. The light is VERY good so you won't need more lights on it, it sounds great, good tyres, and it's cheap! Comes with lots of upgrades by default, and any extras will be cheap as well. The quality is surprisingly good, and despite the 194kg, it feels MUCH lighter than the Africa Twin (our previous bikes).
Uau, 2 of them? How cool! Im eager to get mine 😊
Cant't wait for an in-depth review of the 450MT. Always happy to see your videos :)
Damn, glad to see you back!
i bought a 450mt 5 days ago, i have done around 300km on it and here is what i have to say so far
Pros
- the torque, this engine is full of torgue in almost the whole rpm range (im still braking it in, sto i have only gone up to 6k rpms)
- sitting position is as comfortable as it gets
- the weight, although not an enduro, still pretty light to move around and lift the tail to manuver
- the technology on it is the right amount imo, not too much but definatelly not lacking.
-the chassis feels very sturdy and can take corners on road like a dream (haven't tried it off road yet)
- fully adjustable suspensions (also KYB suspensions)
-fuel consumption is very good, you can cruise at 110km/h with a stated consuption of 2.7-3.2 litres per 100km
-stock tyres feel ok on road, so no major need to change them immediately (maybe this is needed for more of an off road use)
- front brake GRABS HARD, but in a good way, havent felt any danger from my brakes in mountain twisty roads yet
- the lights are exceptionally good, high beams pretty makes turns the night to a day
Cons
- the stock wind shield is laughably small and needs to be changed if you are going to do long travels with it (although the small wind screen is probably a lot better for off road)
-rear brake abs seems to be too sensitive? not a major problem since you can turn it off but it is what it is
-the pillion handle bars protrude a bit when the bike is on its side stand, so me being the einstein i am, i hit my leg quite often at them when i mount the bike
- the clutch felt very light the day i got it but later figured out it wasnt tightened propetly (this is more on my dealer and not the bike)
-front sprecket probably needs to be changed froma 14 to a 15 and it will probably solve most of the gearing issues
- its a 450, its makes 40~hp at the wheel, its ok, it would be better if it had more XD
Overall, i really like it so far, i was keeping my hopes down before i got it but up until now it over delivers
Excellent report man! I am eager to try it properly at the end of the next week :D
Two months later, how is it?
@@tuanoful almost 5k km, did some off road but mostly on road, very happy with it
It's top speed is about 162 on the dash for me, me being a food enthusiast, with a bigger windscreen and a top box, very acceptable performance in my opinion
@@renektop6820 Thanks for replying! I have more questions, if you don't mind.
I don't need speed, a near death fall humbled me
Im 90kilos and if I can cruise at 120/130 km/h, I'm more than satisfied. Is it comfortable at that speed?
And how does it feel in city commute when filtering and in traffic?
The price here in Mexico is REALLY good
@@tuanoful I'm heavier than you by a considerable amount (I'm 120kg) and with a 15 tooth sprocket in the front and a dna air filter the bike will cruise at 120 at 6k rpms, 110 at 5k if you want the engine to be even more relaxed
In traffic its as good as a full sized adv can get honestly, I had a versys 650 before the 450mt and I feel I filter through traffic better with the 450
Ansioso para ver essas ideias e upgrades com a 450MT. Parabens pela máquina 😎
super excited to see all the content we will get with the new machine!
congrats on the bike
Thanks man! I will post some videos ASAP :D
I too have just bought the 450 MT and like it very much. I am new to adventure bikes and look forward to learning this new bike and ridng style.
excited for the 450mt vids, i have the bike for over a month now and it's super fun I'm mostly running it on road.
I wold love to see your CFmoto 450MT vs Kove 450 rally pros and cons vid. Hope we will see it one day and congrats! Looks like a well thought change
Congratulations looking forward to seeing the content
New bike, a new project, Diogo. I'm sure you will improve the bike. And we learn a lot from your experience. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg (I'm paid to be patient, great phrase)
Ahaha! I saw this coming…but thought it might be a T7. Keen to learn more about this bike through your videos. Keep us posted Diogo and all the best!
Hey Chris! Ahaha, yeah... sooner or later this had to happen 😅 i surely will keep you posted!
I didn't watch a video from you in a long time, always nice and fresh!
This bike is more and more interesting to me. It's as you say, how fast do you really need to go.. it's like how Honda should have made the CB500X from the beginning..
Looking forward to your videos on this bike. As mentioned by others, your videos are both informative and entertaining.
Can’t wait to see what you do to it. I have a deposit on one and can’t wait; it’s suppose to be here in Michigan in August..I keep my fingers crossed. I ride a 300CRFL Rally now and it’s been a lot of fun with the Rally Raid Suspension but we have a lot of highways in between the good stuff in the US so I am betting on the 450 MT to help me with that. That said the 300 is staying in the garage as this bike is so much fun and it fits very well on a bumper in the back of my truck.
Glad to see another video. Always enjoy your content and I love your accent.
Hehe, the accent 😂 i'll try to post morrle often now 😊
The 270 deg crank arrangement is awesome. I do like a main stand though
congrats on the new bike Diogo! :)
Uma decisão inteligente! Acho que para o ano, será a minha vez de ir buscar uma 450MT! Boa sorte com a máquina e venham de lá esses vídeos! 👏🙌👌✌️
I picked mine up 2 days ago. Best bike i have ridden so far.
Looking forward to seeing more content on the 450 MT, keep em coming please
Great logic and what I'm planning.
Coming from a 2012 Triumph 800XC I want sometning a little lighter and little more modern, but still "OK" for the road.
I don't use the power of the 800 triple (but do LOVE the engine - I'll miss that!) so I think this will be enough.
You know, it's way more fun riding a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow!
Greetings from Aus.
eager to see more of this bike on your videos!
Good to see you again and greetings from Australia! :) So funny , we ordered one 3 weeks ago, after test riding one! -It just felt so easy and relaxed to ride.. yet a capable adventure bike. It's gonna be traveling out bush here in WA ( I will be on my Norden and the Gf on her MT) and we will see how it holds up in real life! Keep the good work up !
Parabéns pela nova máquina! O desconhecido é sempre incerto... Boa sorte e que essa máquina esteja à altura dos teus Raids/Tracks 💪
Congratulations Diogo. Sounds like a really cool bike. Price-wise, it is unmatched, and if it's reliable, it's a no-brainer bike. I'm actually very curious about the Kove 450.
Hello Diogo, its great to see you again!
The Yamaha XT660 certainly earned a spot in the pasture. Well played XT, well played.
I think you've made a wise decision that will be fun as well.
Ahahahaha! "A spot in the pasture"...brilliant! I actually sold it to a close friend who wants to refurbish it and make it top notch! An honorable pasture indeed :D
Many congrats on the new bike. I look forward to hearing about how you like it. Força ! 👍🏻
So good to have you back! Great points! Very valid and sound thinking. Super interesting to see how it works out for you. Congratulations on the new bike!
Congrats on the new bike! Looking forward to the related content!
It is definitely and interesting bike, looking forward to hearing what you do to it and how you like it.
great honest review; thank you; as an older rider and ex-racer i feel my enduro weapons are getting a bit too much as my pace slows down; they are not comfortable and they are hard to just cruise on; they demand 100% focus and attention at all times; you have me thinking about this bike as i had never really considered it as replacement for my racing steeds; your comments about build quality have impressed me; made in China (poor quality) is why i haven't really considered CF Moto until watching this video.
I've always been the same way mate but China are finally turning out some decent stuff! Pretty good bang for buck with this bike. Keen to see what the long term longevity is like :)
@@leighhill9185 at under 10K on road here in Australia, no doubt it is great value for money even if it does need a rebuild after 12 months; let's face it, a 15K Enduro bike from the 'name' manufacturers often need a rebuild after 12 months of riding it like it was meant to be ridden; some of these models are a non-stop problem off the show-room floor and need many upgrades just to do what it says on the box; then there is the fact that most of the 'name' brands are built with Chinese made components these days...i believe some of KTM's line-up are actually built in China...no doubt other brands are too;
i gave this bike some serious thought last night and i think i have my mind set...just need to go and do a 'fit and feel' test first. i'm of the 'bigger' variety so ergo's and suspension are always a challenge and the fact this bike has KYB at both ends has already ticked a major box; Heavier springs and maybe valve tweaking should be an easy mission.
对中国产品的担心可以理解，毕竟我们从一个很低的起点开始制造成品，因为品牌的缺失，我们只能销售低端产品。价格的制约有导致他们无法与昂贵的其他品牌获得公平的比较。。但是现在情况已经发生了变化，中国在品牌，产品，质量上都取得了长足的进步。相信我，中国制造有能力提供足够性价比的产品，同等价格，更高质量。
You seem to be a knowledgeable and trustable person. I look forward to your 450MT review before swapping my 2014 KLR650 for it. Cheers.
I appreciate that! the review is already out by the way :D
After decades of the mainline motorcycle cartel refusing to make the ADV bike so many of us want, to protect the sales of their heavy mid and full size ADV bikes, I'm glad to see others making ADV bikes that are light enough to function well off road but with enough power to cruise on highways without being at maximum RPM. 450 cc seems like the sweet spot. I'd prefer a single cylinder and even lighter weight, something more like an ADV version of the Kove 500 Rally.
Looking forward to more videos with the bike!
Finally a video talking about the bike as it is and not with tendencies of being Chinese or other things like that. We will be here to see the evolution of the machine before changing ours....
So happy to see this video pop up on my feed! 👍
Ahah, thanks! Its good to be back 😂
Thanks for the review Bro.
Great choice for a new bike.
I am impatiently waiting for the shipment to arrive at the dealer for Bulgaria.
Greetings.
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Parabéns pela aquisição. O futuro será interessante de se acompanhar 😉
Heeeey! Good to see you again. Great product choice. Looking forward to the review!
Hey, thanks! I'll try to stick around this time 🤣
Interessante, o preço parece bem ajustado. Optei pela T7, estou super satisfeito com a mota, tem uma ciclística de outro mundo, uma desportiva em estrada e uma moto de motocross para quem souber. Só troco quando aparecer outra no mercado com o dobro da potência e metade do peso.
A T7 é uma moto incrivel...esta 450MT como diz um amigo meu é "a T7 dos anões sem dinheiro"...e eu acho que está muito bem :D
Currently, I ride a 2022 Himalayan 410. I was initially waiting for the new Himalayan, but I was disappointed with its design. So, I decided to invest some money in my current bike (DNA filter with cover, grips, exhaust, FuelX Lite). However, in the next year or two, I plan to switch my bike, and right now, CF Moto is at the top of my list. As I respect your opinions on bikes, I am eagerly awaiting your first in-depth review.
Thanks for watching my stuff :P A note: As you can probably understand from my video, I didnt chose the 450MT because i thought it was A GREAT motorcycle, but because it was, by far, the most interesting motorcycle for a low amount of money. I will need to test it a lot more before I draw final conclusion, but right now I am not necessarily recommending it to anyone because its not super good for off-road and also not super good for on-road.
Its a beautiful "Meh!" and that interests me at this stage of my life xD
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I understand that, but I'm more of a traveler than an enduro/MX rider. I ride mostly unpaved roads, and right now, my trusty Himalayan is doing an excellent job. I bought the Himalayan after not riding for 32 years, and after 3 years, I feel ready for a bit more power. However, I'm not considering anything above 500cc as I don't ride on highways and prefer small roads. In 2023, I traveled from Croatia to Morocco without using highways. That's why I think the baby Tenere (CF Moto) would be a good choice for me. I've always wished Yamaha would make a 400-500cc Tenere.
I'm looking forward to some more of your videos on this new bike. I always enjoy your content. Keep up the good work.
Good luck with the new bike! Greetings from Sweden!👍
Hey there! I thought you' stop seeing my videos after meeting me in person 😂😂
@@OFFroadOFFcourse No way! I had a fantastic time with you. Coming back for sure.👍
This is very surprising! Eagger to see what you do with it
hi Diogo, me as an owner of 450MT. Don't forget add a hand guards, those they have from factory are just for decoration, also get a wider platform for side stand. bash plate is must have, other wise you can say "bye bye" to carter. I hit original once and now just hanging on the wall, have a proper now. Upper crash bars better have + good bashplate, enough for most scenarios. Best
The bash plate was the first thing i bought, but I will probably not install any crash bars. I dont mind a few scratches, but I do mind the extra weight :P
My goal is to keep this thing as lightweight as possible :)
Welcome back Diogo! Benvido 🙂
Thanks man 😊😊
It all comes down to reliability of the bike, other than that for the price you can not go wrong whith this baby - tenere.
Great choice!!
very intresting... please share as much as you can
nice. i have plan to buy it too. waiting for more videos about mt
I have the Aprilia Tuareg 660 anf a CRF 250L...i am considering to change both bikes by a CFMoto 450 MT, something in the middle of those bikes...less costs an cheap bike for on and off road..but still think is too heavy for off road, i almost don't use my Tuareg on the dirt for that reason even when i know lot people say Tuareg is not too heavy for off road for me is, 205 kg is heavy, and the CFMoto is just 10kg lighter...the CFR is ok for off road but not adecuate for the tarmac, also the suspensions are so weak!!!
I had a Tuareg - good bike but I didn't bond with it because I was looking for one bike to do everything and it was too heavy for me to confidently go offroad by myself. Tried to find the unicorn and bought a Kove 405 Rally. Later, I found a great deal on a Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE, which I adore, but will never take off-road due to its weight (it's gorgeous tho). Now, I am going to sell the Kove and I'm thinking about a CRF300L as my trail bike, which essentially puts me where you are now. If I were going for one bike I would be very tempted by the CFMoto. The Kove was a bit loud and spartan for the road, but too fast and bulky for poking about the single trails. The CFMoto seems like a better compromise if you plan on using tarmac to get to the trails. That would be rough on the Kove.
Hello! I dont think the 450MT will feel game-changer offroad, compared to the Tuareg. Maybe sligthly lower, if even... you will lose ON-road without gaining much OFF-road.
Consider instead a big dual-sport like a AJP PR7, a Suzuki DR650, a KTM690 / GASGAS 700 / Husky 701, etc :)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse that is question...and my doubt, because the 450MT is clearly two steps down from de Tuareg on the road, and maybe there is not so much diferent about the weight.....
@@MichaelShaw206 next thursday i am going to try it...but i am very sceptical about the posibility of this bike were the unicorn for me......
@@MichaelShaw206 carefull with the CRF 300, is a good bike, very similar to my CRF 250 but both have rabish suspensions..
Fechei os olhos e ouvi a minha tê-sete de facto. 😮 Estou muito curioso pelos próximos vídeos com essa mota e até por um dia testar uma para perceber se o power seria suficiente para me fazer sorrir como a que tenho e se a diferença de peso/centro de gravidade é algo que faça A diferença.
V kool! I've been eyeing this 450mt vs the Kove 800x (2xhp & 5-10kg lighter but more $$$ ofcos) but I am somewhat apprenhensive re. a new model, nevermind a new model from Chinese brands that I've zero knowledge on. Imagine my elation to hear thoughts from a pro, atleast a pro who actually rides adv bikes for a living. Will be eagerly awaiting your future experiences with this Cfmoto 450mt. Subscribed 🤘
Hello! Well, on paper the Kove 800X is the perfect bike... so much so that it even gives me a "bad feeling" :P
I'm eager to try one, but I must admit that I have a feeling of "this is too good to be true". Also, CFMoto has already been a serious brand for many years, with proven performance in the European market... Kove on the other hand appeared a bit "out of nowehere" and MAYBE it is taking bigger steps than it can handle (I'm saying this based on absolutely nothing real, because I haven't tried any Koves yet)
Hello Diogo! Such a long time without a new video
Congrats on your new ride, and waiting for the review. 450mt and hima450 are the two im looking up to, while waiting on xpulse400 and honda cb350x. Hopefully by next year... Damn i envy that price point!
Hopefully, a trip to sunny Portugal could also be in the cards...
Glad to see you are doing well!
Hello man! Nice seeing you here still :D
Let me know if you ever decide to visit Portugal!
Great to see you ! Love your videos and am looking forward to the riding and review of the CF Moto. BRAP from Washington State USA !
Right on! Thanks for sticking around, Kelly 😄
Congratulations on the new ride. Great comments on the pillion position.
I hope it works out for you. It is a great bike on paper.
I currently ride a 1990 Yamaha XT 600 and can't wait to see what you do with this thing. I've watched every video I can find since I've heard about it and think it will probably be my next purchase here in Middle TN ..USA!!
👌, também gostei da mota, pesno que um contra que tem é não trazer os crashbars de origem.
Looking forward to see future modifications and what the bike is capable of.
Is it possible for You to get access to the service manual?
id like to know more about the proper maintenance of the bike.
Looking forward to more videos of this awesome combo: you + the 450MT!
Thank you man! I appreciate it :D
Thanks for the video. As a youtuber, you will test this engine for all of us, less brave. Many of us are now impatiently waiting to see what KTM will do with the 390 adventure R and Enduro 2025. There is a lot of talk and we hope that the mountain will not shake and give birth to a mouse. I'm also interested in why you didn't decide on the Kove 450 rally or the Kove 800x adventure pro. The reasons can be understood from the description in video, but still...
The reasons were exactly those.... i aman instructor/guide, i really didnt want a 140kg "rally bike"... the cfmoto was supposed to be a morr calm, comfortable and easy going bike BUT, to my surprise, this thing loves it fast (and doesnt really like slow xD)
Oh well... i am happy anyway
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I am also happy for you and wish you much success in your tour management business
I’m new on your channel. But before watching this movie I thought that this bike is nice successor for XT660 and found it here :)
I saw this bike yesterday, in live, at dealership. I can confirm about quality what you mentioned. And sound? I love it.
I’m willing to see your upgrades and if you will be doing it please put some accessories sources to quickly find please ;)
Welcome aboard! :D So far I've been ordering all extras from AliExpress :D
@@OFFroadOFFcourse cool. I’ll looking on your channel how it will fits ;)
A smaller capacity Twin makes sense, slow speed running is superior to a thumper, plus it sounds better.
3:30 Hmmm, I found the throttle a bit jerky in low speeds. Are you sure you can be precise enough?
Muitos parabéns, escolhemos a mesma mota, depois era fixe mostrares nos o setup das suspensões. Elas de origem são bem duras.
Sem duvida que vou fazer um video sobre isso! É dos meus assuntos favoritos! :D
Parabéns e boas curvas!
Excelente escolha! 👌 Vou para a semana fazer a revisão dos 1000km, e tendo andado apenas até à faixa das 6500 rpm é uma mota muito muito divertida. Estradões e nacionais é onde sinto a mota mais capaz, e que melhor se adequa ao escalonamento da caixa. Em zonas mais técnicas fora de estrada sente-se um bocado o peso, o que era de esperar não sendo uma mota de enduro pura. Travagem mais do que suficiente, suspensão muito competente especialmente a da frente, motor bastante linear e cheio com boas baixas e médias, ainda não experimentei os regimes mais altos. Apaixonado pelo som com o escape stock, a fazer lembrar o de uma tenere 😎 O que oferece pelo preço que custa, acho que não há atualmente alternativa melhor no mercado! Quando vieres buscar a máquina, se quiseres avisa que tenho todo o gosto em pagar um café 👊 Abraço
O que tem a dizer da nova kove 800x?
Mais leve, mais potente e também mais cara
Olha, no papel a Kove 800X é a moto perfeita... tanto que até me da um "bad feeling" :P
Estou deserto para testar uma, mas devo admitir que estou com uma sensaçao de "isto é bom de mais para ser verdade". Tambem temos de ver que a CFMoto ja é uma marca séria ha muitos anos, com provas dadas no mercado europeu...a Kove apareceu assim um bocado de para-quedas e TALVEZ esteja a dar passos maiores que a perna (tou a dizer isto baseado em absolutamente nada real, porque ainda nao conduzi Kove nenhuma)
Desculpa Daniel, so li isto agora! és de Leiria? (foi onde comprei a moto)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Tranquilo Diogo, ya sou de Leiria. Como moro lá perto do stand é que falei, quando vieres para estes lados já sabes. Abraço! 👊
I truly hope there will the another such ADV bike from CF Moto, but with the 675 cc triple announced last year.
Secret hand shake LOL HAHA! Sounds great! Are you going to the MalleLondon event near Lisbon in October?
I never heard of it :o will you be there?
@@OFFroadOFFcourse it is a new event, they are branching out from their events in England. I will be back in Porto for October and November, so yes I am thinking of going, I am waiting for them to release the full agenda to see if I can get involved in the activities as I won't have my bike with me on this trip 😭
looking for something that might be a good al rounder, but 70% in town usage, 20% of riding on road and 10% off... not sure this would do it. but I really like it visually...will test ride it soon.
The MT 450 is a T7 for poor short guys like me I think.
Good Choice Diogo !! Am waiting arrival in UK and will give it a try. Even my Mrs likes the looks and the technicals and low cost. Enough to keep me happy I think.
Ahaha, you and me both! 😃😃
Waiting for mine, ordered in April. But no delivery date yet (here in France)
✌️ to you all
Waiting for mine here in México! looking forward for your content about it!
As always, interested in what you bring and what you have to say.
Welcome back!
Thanks for sticking around ;)
Good to see you again
Its good to be back!
Tenho quase a certeza que irás mudar o pinhão e a cremalheira. Eu vejo essa mota mais como hibrida para asfalto e alguma gravilha (leve).
á partida nao vou mudar porque eu quase so ando na terra (ou a caminho da terra), e como raramente toco em AE, nao me compensa perder a aceleração =)
Acho que se for pa fazer estrada e offroad muito ligeiro, outras motos serão uma opção mais sensata
O valor da mota é incrível e vai trazer muita malta nova para o segmento!!…Agora é pedir emprestada a nova himalayan e fazer a comparação
Assim que conseguir quero experimentar uma coisa dessas também :D
2:40 to the budget argument: you can have mint AT 2018 for 10k€ why even consider brand new bikes they ridiculously expensive other than that agree
10k for a mint AT? Not here in Portugal definitely... :o And still, its quite a different experience, a 245kg bike vs a 190kg one.
And like i said... i am choosing this bike because it is interesting, not because it is "the best" :D
At is too heavy
@@alrightdave6135 you are too weak
A minha chega no início de agosto porque quis cinzenta ! Mas vai levar o pinhão de 15 :)
Parabens pela compra! Depois tambem vou brincar ca relação da transmissao mas para ja nao me incomodou nada
O que me dizes da cfmoto 450mt vs kove 800x? Praticamente o mesmo peso, mais cilindrada e cv pa kove, o preço é que muda. Mas se puderes diz algo sobre isto
Olha, no papel a Kove 800X é a moto perfeita... tanto que até me da um "bad feeling" :P
Estou deserto para testar uma, mas devo admitir que estou com uma sensaçao de "isto é bom de mais para ser verdade". Tambem temos de ver que a CFMoto ja é uma marca séria ha muitos anos, com provas dadas no mercado europeu...a Kove apareceu assim um bocado de para-quedas e TALVEZ esteja a dar passos maiores que a perna (tou a dizer isto baseado em absolutamente nada real, porque ainda nao conduzi Kove nenhuma)
Nice bike for not too much money! ❕ QUESTION ❗; could you make a video about setting up your suspension? static, preload, damping, rebound,... ? THANKS! ♥
I will do that FOR SURE. Its a subject I am very passionate about :)
@@OFFroadOFFcourse 🙂 thank you so much for all these free and great video's you make & the contact with viewers! ♥
Boas Diogo.
Parabéns pelo conteúdo! Profissional, interessante e diferente do que se vê pelo youtube.
Tambem estou à espera da minha 450...
Queria perguntar onde vais encomendar o protetor de motor e crash bars? Pelo que percebi, na marca estão esgotados e ouvi dizer que a cross pro já estava a fazer moldes...
Vivas Luisa! olha, eu mandei vir do AliExpress.... afinal de contas, é o moto chinesa, não é verdade? :P Eles ja têm la no Ali todos os acessórios e mais alguns :)
could you compare it with the AJP PR7? I'm looking for that review. Thanks!
The PR7 is a high performance dual-sport, the 450mt is an "Ok" performance adv bike. You cant really compare them i think :/
I will try to make a video explaining these things (and also compare it with the crf300L)
all reviews make it sound pretty good. How are the driving lights at night if anyone knows ?
Its very decent... not braking any lumens record but i found them sufficient :o
Tanto la Cf moto 450mt como la nueva Royal enfield 450 himalayan son muy buenas opciones.
What can be done to take out some top weight? Lithium battery, muffler... maybe alu handlebars? What else?
Maybe 6-7 kilos?
thats something I've been thinking a lot about, but without the bike its hard to reach conclusions... lithium battery, short license plate holder and perhaps decatting the exaust are the best/most obvious places do save 6-7kg, but beyond that it will be hard. I need to look and strip the bike to try to understand if there is something else
Patiently waiting for the review 😅
tambem comprei uma 450mt tou á espera que chegue :P
Congratulations on your videos!!
Questions. At 120 km/h, any vibrations? How many rpm?
Thanks! I'm looking forward to watching your next vídeos.
That engine is very very VERY smooth.... people complain that at 100kph you have 6000rpms, but thats nothing for that engine. The redline is at 9000 and even at the redline the bike seems to be asking for more (and this is coming from someone who hates making bikes "scream")
6k rpm at 100km/h is kinda a lot but if you don t do much on road it s fine i guess. for off road, a good range in second gear is important and this bike seems to have it. T7 seems better but not 2 times better because the price is almost double
I also thought 6k rpm would be a lot until I tried the bike.... when you experience it you will understand that 6k rpm is just where that engine "opens up". Revving up 7-8k doesnt feel wrong on that bike at all
Very happy to see a new video. The CFMoto 450 is very interesting so I understand perfectly why you have bought it.
With 44 ch and a very elastic twin 270° and the announced weight is 175 kg dry. I've seen that some get around 160-165 kg with a little work. So the about the ratio power/weight of many old 600 and more monos. A 270° twin is a plus compared to a mono for road riding.
The ratio price/equipment (suspensions, tubeless oh yeah, size of wheels etc...)/general quality is outstanding, at 6500€ it's a bargain. 17.5l of gas give you more that 300km fast offroad, and far more if you go slow and quiet.
We see that the Chinese engineers have used a lot of brain juice on this bike on the details to get a good compromise for a dual sports bike. For me the revealing detail is that they preferred to get less power in exchange of a very nice torque curb. Yes a very elastic and sweet engine is more efficient offroad. I feel that the 450 MT will be the reference in cheap light able adventure bike.
I'll follow impatiently the next videos.
There are MTs already with 160-165kg? Whrre have you seen this? Show me! Show meee!!
@@OFFroadOFFcourse what is wet weight of cfmoto450mt?
borderline 200kg.
@@OFFroadOFFcourse Yes I have to remember where I've read this info. Probably some Chinese source.
192 kg wet weight. Your weights make no real world sense
Looking forward to your content on the new bike. 👍
Amigo! Parabéns pela compra! Também estou à espera da minha, em azul com guarda-lamas baixo. Uma questão, referes que já compraste Crash-Bars, quais são? Da marca?
Tudo o que comprei ate agora foi no AliExpress :P
Nice new bike Diego!See you in October.😊
You will have to try this thing , Robert!
@@OFFroadOFFcourse yes would love that…hope it is not too muddy then
I'm considering this bike, the Himalayan 450 and the Caballero 500 Rally. The CFMoto has 21/18, but it's a lot heavier than the Fantic, which is 19/17. The Himalayan is also much heavier than the Fantic. So, being an offroad beginner, what matters most for making it easier to ride on offroad trails: the lower weight or the bigger wheels? Thanks!
hi, i like your approach ☺ Want to ask you to try out the new Himalayan 450, i'm hesitating between the CF and the new Himmi .... hope you'll give us your insights 🙏