Atari Falcon 030 Unbelievable Donation & Repair Part 2 (CT60e 060 CPU + NVRAM / RTC)
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- The second part of at an absolutely incredible donation to the channel!!!! The Atari Falcon is a rare system and super expensive if you can find one for sale!
This system was incredibly GIVEN to me by William on Twitter (@ste_mega AKA 3DOKID)
Here's the link to his website:- wmgaming.co.uk/
It's worth following his Twitter feed to see what amazing systems he's tinkering with!
If you would like to support the channel via Patreon (keep the channel running) - / gadgetuk164
You can also buy me a coffee or donate via Ko-fi - much appreciated! ko-fi.com/gadg...
Part 1 - • Atari Falcon 030 Unbel...
Part 3 - • Atari Falcon 060 Unbel...
#atari #falcon #repair #rare
This system was incredibly GIVEN to me by William on Twitter (@ste_mega AKA 3DOKID)
Here's the link to his website:- wmgaming.co.uk/
Exxos (Atari Forum / Blog / Falcon & ST Parts & Upgrades - www.exxoshost.co.uk/atari/
Falcon clock issues explained - mikrosk.github.io/clockpatch/
Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/-43l7KhTI0U/видео.html
Part 3 - ruclips.net/video/xrY4C5xvqFw/видео.html
Demo recordings I mentioned in this video:-
Atari Falcon 060 Demo - Ocean Machine ruclips.net/video/UBQUFnrvhD4/видео.html
Atari Falcon 060 Demo - Rift - ruclips.net/video/n5A8M-rIMR8/видео.html
Atari Falcon Quake - 060 @ 100Mhz - ruclips.net/video/IM4uO20y5h0/видео.html
i know im randomly asking but does anyone know of a way to get back into an instagram account??
I somehow forgot the password. I love any assistance you can give me
@Gage Charlie instablaster ;)
@Noe Bryce I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and Im in the hacking process atm.
I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Noe Bryce it did the trick and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy:D
Thank you so much, you saved my ass!
What do you mean that "unfortunately" you'll have to make a part three? These videos are epic - we love them! :D (Damn good work!)
Haha =D
Demo recordings I mentioned in this video (direct capture):-
Atari Falcon 060 Demo - Ocean Machine ruclips.net/video/UBQUFnrvhD4/видео.html
Atari Falcon 060 Demo - Rift - ruclips.net/video/n5A8M-rIMR8/видео.html
Atari Falcon Quake - 060 @ 100Mhz - ruclips.net/video/IM4uO20y5h0/видео.html
THANK YOU, thank you for THIS Record. I am a fan of ATARI - 2x Falcon, 2x Jaguar, 1x TT. REGARDS.
I love the look of the ST and Falcon, also the 65XE
Yeah, I love the look of all 3 =D
Open the Quake console and type "timedemo demo1", or "timedemo demo2", or even "timedemo demo3". Then, you can actually measure the performance and the changes due to overclocking.
For running Doom on the ct60 I actually recommend trying 'PMDoom' by Patrice Mandin. Reason being that the DSP optimised version you're running is actually limited by the speed of the DSP (which obviously is fine in 030 mode, as the DSP boosts the performance!) But the 060 processor itself out performs the 030/DSP combo, so running a completely CPU bound Doom engine like PMDoom will give you better performance in 060 mode. I hope that makes sense...
Excellent timing! Just went looking for Part 2 when up popped the notification!
Nice to see our Demo here
It's a fantastic demo! I love it!!!
You wot mate? Not "jumpstarting" the power supply with a paperclip, or "Dremelling" out the case to make the drive fit better? lololol
In all seriousness, this is a beautiful machine, an absolute stunner. I can hardly think of any microcomputer that I would rather own. I'm glad you got it all sorted and upgraded. It's heartwarming to see the care you take. You understand the value of what you have, and what a tragedy it would be if it were to be lost or irreparably damaged-as always. Hopefully you are as proud of the work you've done on this as of the machine itself. I look forward to Part 3!
Haha, thanks =D Yes, it's a lovely machine - so pleased to finally own one!!!
Like this video a lot and I don’t like Atari. I do to many AMIGA 1200 projects and waiting for the ACA1260. The Atari Falcon is a great computer but to expensive and rare to find. My A1200 with the Blizzard 1260 is to slow to get up with your Atari Falcon 060. You must be lucky to have a real 68060 Rev6 CPU. Had a Atari Falcon but I swap it for a Neo Geo AES. The Neo Geo AES is still great but a Atari Falcon would be great for Demos. Maybe I buy next year a Atari Falcon and upgrade it to a 68060 Rev6 and see your great video again. Saw a lot of videos from you and this is your best. Cheers and have fun with your fantastic Atari Falcon 060.
Thanks, very much appreciated =D The Falcon is a lovely machine! I am super lucky to have this donated to me, and as you say - the rev 6 68060 is just icing on the cake!!!
These videos have been invaluable for helping me out - thanks so much! Incidentally my Falcon has its badge with the original wrapper on it :)
Such an upgrade available for a vintage computer that sold in extremely low numbers is amazing.
Happy Geekday Gadget lol
Haha, thanks!!! =D
I love it when they make the center pin negative. I always double check the polarity of the connectors.
Why are old computers so much more interesting than modern stuff?
Very true!!! =D
Old computers had personality! Each had its own ROM, OS, interpreter and architecture. You had to get to know each machine, something I found very exciting as a kid back in ye olden days. I spent countless hours doing basically nothing useful, but it was _fun._ Beginning with the MS-DOS era, home computers became faceless, generic abstractions, designed for compatibility and modularity. The user experience almost entirely comes from the operating system. In a technical sense that is a superior approach, but it is dreadfully bland. There is no excitement. I do not consider any MS-DOS machine, no matter the age, to be truly "retro".
Really need to get my Nemesis Falcon back up & running, not used it in years & years, need a back up solution first, has an IDE drive in it, so if it is still running need to back it all up ASAP...
As a note on the Beams demo, the music is on a MP2 file, but is only mono, but the Falcon will happily play stereo MP2 files and at a higher bit rate, with any music you want :-)
Fabulous machine. Great to see it all come together.
Really enjoyed watching you getting this up and running. Thanks
Thanks, much appreciated =D
Nice job. The badge makes it. Bring on Pt 3.
For your fan, you may not need it to run full blast.. You can usually connect 12v fans to 5v instead, but some won't start up if you do that, because it's too low voltage..
Another option is to use the positive 12v connection, but use the 5v connection as ground.. Then you get 7v and those fans will run, and be quiet
Awesome video mate, Jesus what a machine to have! Well 90MHz 060 well jel! You can do some serious emulation with that baby too!! I'd love to see some demo scene stuff.
100Mhz+! You either weren't watching properly or fast forwarded lol ;) As I said in the video - there are a few demos linked in the description!
@@GadgetUK164 Ahh ok, I'm always doing something while watching, I do miss bits.
Very interesting video series. Learning a lot about Atari Falcon.
Thanks =D
More Falcon stuff please mate, I always wanted one of these, but crazy expensive. You're a lucky boy ;)
=D Part 3 just needs me to finish it off!
thanks for the great vid. I love ur content. cant wait for more. hope you are in good health.
Thanks =D
Impressive frame rate increase on Quake there, overclocking is much more dramatic at this retro spec level of hardware, just hot enough to work well lol. Later day Atari and Amiga models were very close to running the DOS games of that time, took a while but they got there "I did it..my way!". :D
Pretty pin dense monitor out covers lots of better AV options but pretty late for a built-in RF out by 1992, surprised they didn't go external with that by then. Curious, I've heard multiple stories about temperature related quirks in a few Atari hardware platforms.
Sweet looking demo, bit of a mystery to me the Falcon with it's rarity and all. Look forward to part 3. ;)
Its amazing you have one of these rare machines and it great to see it well looked after we are all jealous... Enjoy Mate well deserved... right I'm getting back to my Amiga :)
Thanks 👍
Jan Beta shared the idea of a shrink tube over what you are measuring to isolate it.
Yeah, I've used that technique myself before - I always forget and never have any heat shrink nearby! The other thing I've done in the past is just plug it into a socket and then measure from the socket pins! I have plenty of sockets, I just get lazy lol
8:30 IPA softens the glue very well. Just don't get it on soft paint because it might smear it off.
Thanks Yes, I've mentioned that numerous times in previous videos! A good example of where IPA is bad - the red print on the front of a Nintendo Entertainment System.
Good job !!
Thanks!
An amazing video learnt a lot about the Falcon thanks Gadget
Thanks =D
It’s better to use the Ohms range and look for ~0 Ohms than using Diode/Continuity for checking which is ground. Less chance of making a mistake.
You have got a really nice machine now. Well jealous!
Thanks! I love it =D
Ha! great vid! As usual :) I hope CT60e will serve you nicely ;)
Much appreciated!
Super interesting, thanks for posting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
50:44 - What does mean BLITTER FAST ?
If I good remember there was problem with Blitter - works max 16MHz.
Wow, cool machine there; glad you have it all worked out. Never knew much about the Falcon - I was an Amiga guy back then, I'd be curious to see you boot it into MagiC and Linux.
=D I would need to setup a Linux and MagiC drive I think - Might have a go at that at some point!
Almost all power connections are centre positive. But not all.. So you always need to check :-)
Most devices also have reverse polarity protection using diode(s), but again, not all.
And usually it's the stupid things with centre pin negative that don't have reverse polarity protection, like they are designed to get blown up..
I am hearing this a lot, but as a kid 30-40 years ago I had many devices and gadgets of all sorts that used centre-negative polarity (perhaps 70%). I used them with universal AC adapters, so I paid close attention to voltage and polarity. In recent years centre-positive has become much more prevalent but it was not always so!
I never understood the point of "freezer spray". It was always good enough for me to just turn a can of "duster" spray upside down. That stuff gets shockingly cold.
(me) the most beautiful thing i've ever seen in my life is when i married my wife
(then sees GadgetUK's soldering work on that socket)
LMAO!
The different resistance values makes a little bit of sense.. I know when overclocking CPUs in PCs it sometimes needed voltage unlocked chips, and boards and bioses that allowed you to increase the voltages slightly..
Putting the lower value (22) resistor in will result in a slightly higher voltage than the 33, which may explain that..
Would love to see Cubase Audio actually running on it. Any chance?
Falcon is the stuff of legends for muso's would be great to demo its capabilities 👍
Those third-party laptop style PSU's with the removable plugs with pins aren't the best design. I see laptops which fail because the plug somehow is polaity reversed 😥 The best laptop charger with removable plugs I've ever used was AI AI-YB9021B (12-20V 4.5A 22-24V 3.75A) which I still have for laptop repairs.
Wd40 dissolves adhesive.. Once you got one end of decal lifted, you could spritz a tiny bit of wd40 under it, and then it would have basically fallen off
Fantastic machine. I now want one 😩 🙊😆🤷♂️👍
6:26 - Did you speed-up the movie during test TT-RAM? How long is TT-RAM tested ?
Yes, I cut a couple of small sections out there (maybe 6 or 7 seconds cut).
The “trash” icon looks like an axial-lead electrolytic capacitor with no leads! 😏
LOL!!! =D The funny thing is, if you had an axial-lead capacitor without leads, you would put it in the trash 🤣
Oh my, Quake performance is just AMAZING, somewhat equivalent to Pentium 120's one
No way you may compare it to the same clocked CPU even with RTG mode Amiga system
Unfortunately, Quake is unplayable on AGA and barely playable with RTG
Again, amazing performance!
So they can't mail you a board with a battery fitted.. but you can order batteries in the mail..
Maybe the battery could have been included, just not installed?
What was that 3M tape you were using to secure the heatsink? If it's just double-sided tape, it's going to do you absolutely no favours when it comes to heat transfer, being a plastic insulator. Ideally you want a thermal pad, or something similar, to conduct the heat to the heatsink.
It's 3M thermal transfer adhesive. It works without a doubt, temperature dropped by 10 degrees before I even added a fan!
Chris I keep telling you if you keep posting this porn on YT you will get kicked off. Seeing Quake run and run very well just blows me away.
TT = Thirty Two
Thanks! I'm so glad to discover this video. I just got a Falcon and a brand new CT60e from a guy in the UK that he kept as a backup for his other one. I ordered the Pico 80 watt PSU and am looking for the memory. I know the CT60e needs PC 133 SD RAM, but is that also a 168-pin_UDIMM form factor?
=D This is a mirror of the original website:- powerphenix.com/ct60/english/overview.htm
I am not sure off the top of my head if its 168 pin or not. I think I counted the pins on mine.
I swapped the RAM in part 3 btw!
@@GadgetUK164 Thanks as I watched part 3. One question though was based on the 'CT60 Overview' you sent me the RAM was supposed to be CAS CL2 and your Kingston KVR133X64C3L/512 is (CAS) CL3. I guess that wasn't an issue, and that memory and the CT60 supports CL2 anyway?
@@seanwalker4330 I am not sure if they changed the (e) to allow that - or whether the original works with CL3. CL2 is faster I think, but the RAM I used works fine.
@@seanwalker4330 This provides more info - jil.guru/32bit/CT60e/doc/chg.pdf
That resistor mod I dont really recommend doing.. it kills the clock feed to like 0.5V and stops both my falcons from booting. Would be better to fix the clock buffer patch from my store and fix the issues that way.
I tried a few of those clock buffer boards and had worse problems tbh! And they were definitely wired properly! I might give yours a go at some point!!!
@@GadgetUK164 +1 for what exxos said, the resistor mod also stopped my Falcon from booting. There are only two clock patch kits available to buy online at the moment so I assume you tried the one not by exxos... try his as he has had three revisions since he began and lots of time, effort and SCIENCE went in to it.
one question, nice video though but did you check the micro atx power suplys temperature when in use? i did use something similar from china in a low power atom based motherboard and with normal atx powersuply it didnt heat up much but the chinese micro atx the whole board heated up big time but it still worked though.
I didn't as this particular PSU is used commonly with these - but I will check that to make sure its not getting hot!
Near the end of the video, you already had an RGB cable, didn't you?
EDIT: apparently that's covered in the next video ^-^
Yes, some cross pollination happened on a few clips! If you look closely at one point you can see it booting with 512MB too!
did you ever open up the nvram chip ?
Yep, covered in another video =D
wouldn't it have been better to turn the heatsink round 90% so there is air blowing onto the memory too ?
Yes, that's not a bad idea - tbh the memory doesnt really get hot - the CPU sure does though!
10:40 - WHY ATARI DIDN'T do this with 68060 in 1992 ??? WHY ???
It would have pushed the price up a lot! They were trying to make it as affordable as possible at the time!
@@GadgetUK164 +25USD? +50USD?
I paid 1000USD in Poland in 1993 for Falcon030 with 4MB RAM without any HDD. Even +100USD changed nothing.
5:45 - Is possible to replace splash screen to custom one ?
Most probably - yes! You would need to find the image within the custom ROM that the CT60E uses and modify it. It would be fiddly to work out the start of the image, any size info etc and then replace it with something that is no larger than the original data. There may be a checksum to change somewhere in the ROM too.
@@GadgetUK164 thx
i always run fans 7volt
Hi, do you repair Atari Falcon motherboards as a service for payment? Thanks!
Hi, I don't! You could contact Exxos on his forum - he may be able to offer a repair! exxosforum.co.uk/forum/
Part 3?
Part 3 is coming soon! I just had way too many things that needed priority!
Did part 3 not happen?
It just needs a few game captures adding at the end, and then I can upload it =D
shameless plug: you can install ct60 tos 1.05 from insane.tscc.de and have a bios setup utility in rom!
Thanks! I did see that on my travels but what are the benefits to doing that upgrade?
@@GadgetUK164 Mostly small fixes - the big point is the build-in nvram setup utility.
Doesn't play well with supervidel due to some bizarre race condition i'm still fighting against though.
What an amazing machine with the CT60 up and running! Maybe you mentioned it, but what are the two switches, red and green LEDs connected to the CT60, good for?
I think you have to do a cut out in the shielding where the new exxos NVRAM is. I had to do a bulge and mine is not socketed. 🤔
flic.kr/p/2gUS36e , flic.kr/p/2geyBpY
Thanks, I will mention those switches at the end of part 3 =D One is for the HDD, the other LED is power. The two switches, one is the power switch (on and off), the other switch is a reset switch.
Hi Chris. I have a Falcon I need repaired. Do you accept (paid) repair jobs?
I cannot do customer repairs sorry!
Best place to ask for a repair is the Exxos forum!
TT-Ram is faster than ST-Ram
New Atari Falcon Case: ruclips.net/video/atw3FYKzog4/видео.html
unfortunately leaked int a 3rd part. There's NEVER anything unfortunate about more vids from yourself.
Thanks ever so much! =D