What if Britain invaded Russia? Hoi4 Alt History Operation Unthinkable
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What if Stalin lost the post lenin power struggle to Trotsky?
Then you've got a bolshevik jew trying to foment violent communist uprisings across the world and especially in Europe and history gets written very very differently
@enrixosjjdjd187 Firstly, trotsky was not a likely candidate to succeed lenin. Even if he was, lenin gave stalin a massive position of power on purpose, because he seemed to trust stalin. Stalin was actually the person who visited lenin the most in his sickness. Rykov or Bukharin were more likely candidates to replace lenin than trotsky was.
@@8-bitstream379 lenin didnt trust stalin in the slightest, thats why he actually wasnt given any real position of power, its more how stalin used his position as secretary to manipulate soviet politics which later gave him the ability to rise to power
you are right though, immediately following lenin's death, stalin did everything in his power to prevent trotsky from ascending to power, and likely lost his chance within the first year or two, and rykov, bukharin, zinoviev, kirov among others were more likely candidates later in soviet history
trotsky would have made the USSR opps with the entire world lol
Idea: What if Republican Spain (somehow) won the Spanish civil war and declared war on Germany at the start of operation Barbarossa
Underrrated
Amazing. Hope it wins the poll.
It could open a lot of possibilities what if the soviets didn't screw as much with the republicans or that they were able to hold their ground in the west so that the nationalist front stayed split. The possibilities are endless
I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have significantly impacted the overwhelming success of Barbarossa, as most of northern Spain borders Vichy France, and the natural barrier of the Pyrenees would have prevented any serious invasion attempts. However the political influence that Germany had in that region would definitely lessen.
@@JayneTeeter It wouldve made them station more troops in France at the very least
What if the Kaiser remained in power after losing ww1
I hope this goes hella far
Revolution prob
Thats like saying “what if napoleon swam back from saint halena and then became emperor of france again.”
But both are cool to think about.
@@TopatTomBut that’s why he’s offering it here as a suggestion, NOT as a “what-if?” to be answered.
Like Japan?
What if Oswald Mosley came to power in the UK?
Im not giving up, and I really just wanna see stakuyi talk about Mosley, if Im honest
Yes!
Me too, he's just very intresting to talk about and study.
Good idea
He's technically already done this
Hoi4 oswald mosley is kind of inaccurate honestly.
What if instead of the schlieffenplan, germany held at Elsace Lotharingia and went east to capture the wheatfields of the Oekraïne to counteract the food shortages of the naval blockade , then pushes to the Urals to quickly capture Russias industrie and capitulate Russia so they can then focus completely on the western front. (Call it operation Frederick)
Edit:thx for the 200 likes, it means a lot
Thats actually interesting
that is actually a really interesting scenario: are we talking ww1 or 2 or the coming 3rd world war??
Perhaps they'll call it Operation Karl der Große (Carl the Great aka Charlemagne)
@@DieHeiligeSchüssel thanks man, my history class went over the first world war and the main reasons why it capitulated and personally this fixes most of them, yes the spanish flu shall still happen and the other central powers are still as weak, but there'll be almost no food shortages, which means less civil unrest. Plus i'm sure that the war will end sooner this way, as with both Austrian and German focus on Russia, Russia will fall faster, which means that the experienced troops of the eastern front are earlier at the western front, where the entente didn't get as experienced, seeing as the German troops don't attack and just hold their positions. This ends the war quicker thus hopefully preventing the devastating effect on morale that was the American intervention.
@@MrKangaroo123 The first , as the food shortages had the biggest impact in that one
1:45 An important point of reference, Western divisions were (and still are) larger than Russian Divisions. US Divisions for example had ~14,000 men, where as their Russian counterparts had 10,000. Meaning if you look at actual fielded manpower, the difference isn't that large.
The west also has studied logistics for decades and has refined the transport of Men, Material, and Munitions down to a science. If the Invasion of Ukraine is anything to go by logistics is still not and will never be a strong point for the Russian Military.
Also don't forget that this is nominal strength, not actual. The Soviets had been fighting heavily on the Eastern Front for four years by this point and few divisions were actually at their nominal strength. That and the Soviets heavily relied on the US for logistical equipment.
Hey, that gives me an idea.
What if there was no appeasement?
the oster conspiracy maybe
@@bop1k i like oyster sandwich
What if Operation Valkyrie went successful in killing Hitler?
I feel like that would've caused the western Allies to attack the Soviets who would've kept on pushing.
Nothing basically. The war was already started with all four Allies. Maybe negotiations for peace coming from both sides.
@@rextroop1941 why? millions more dead for nothing.
The issue with numbers is that while the Soviets had more divisions, after the grind of pushing to Berlin, the Soviet army division strength were about half strength. In addition, the Soviets were in a similar situation to the Germans supply wise and were in hostile territory compared to the Allies, especially in Poland.
Exactly! If the people of the occupied states of Poland, Germany, the Baltics, a good portion of the former Balkan axis, and the defeated but unbroken Ukrainians learned that the allies were pushing to actually liberate them (Not the phony totally not imperialistic "under new management" that the commies brought) they would've lit the logistics of their homelands on fire if not partaken in outright revolution. The Soviets took to a policy of loot, grape, and plunder whenever they exhausted their supply lines and the occupied territories _hated_ them for it they just couldn't do anything about it.
There's a propaganda story from the winter war about an old lady living in a cabin in Rural Finland who was notified by some soldiers that the Reds were coming and they needed to destroy her Cabin to deny the enemy shelter. She took a broom, swept the floors and sat in her chair one last time before going to the hearth and started the blaze herself.
Imagine that, but over the entire former eastern front. Hell considering that the Muslim majority Turkic regions also had their religion suppressed by the soviets they might also rise up in a holy war at the same time too.
What if Poland won Poland-Bolshevik war "more"
They did won and took everything they could have possibly wanted
@@andysierra1618the only way they couldve went further was to annex Ukraine and theres no way that wouldve lasted
Would be untenable with minorities uprisings in the Polish-occupied territories soon.
@@elseggs6504 Yeah and that wasn't their objective neither
@@andysierra1618 Well, that's my country.
I was wandering about Miedzymorze idea. In our timeline it wasn't possible. But maybe Stakuyi could make it :D
What if the United Arab Republic was a success? (Egypt/Cold War mod)
What if Sweden joined The Central Powers in WW1?
Best way to have that happen would be if Admiral Essen wasn't recalled in time.
What if the Ottomans survived after WW1 (they still lost it but weren't beaten afterwards) (10)
What if Operation Weserübung failed. Aka, what if Norway and Denmark had resisted German occupation.
What if the United States never went to war with Germany? (Japan is still attacked, but Germany does not declare war on the U.S and vice versa.)
Easy clap for the Germans. We’d be living in a literal paradise
@@JoeDueterte elaborate a little on what you consider a paradise, i don't think germany was coming out of that regardless even if they didn't go to war with the US
the US would've inevitably still declared war on germany, however maybe without operation torch, husky, or the large strategic bombing effort, germany wouldnt have been as destroyed as it was in our timeline.
What if the Anglo-French Union idea was adopted? (This is a Road to '56 thought.)
What if Spain was more stable before WW1 and decided to choose a side during the war?
another really interesting scenario!
Alternatively we can make a what if Spain won the Spanish-American War (or lost less hard)
Things are about to get real... Also since my previous suggestion was selected and even in 3 polls I decided to not suggest another scenario for 3 what if videos. So here's my new one...
What if the United States joined the Central Powers?
Idea: what if Britain and Germany had made peace and went to war on the Soviet’s like hitler wished?
LGM
@@Ladiesman-iw9gc lgm brother
What if UK agreed to peace terms with germany after the fall of France?
(The soviets have to defend against germany without lend lease or the possibility of the allies opening up a second front)
So TWR?
1:52
I loved how the camera glitched his face LOL
Idea: what if Operation Downfall actually happened?
What if at the start of the Siberian intervention, one of the Romanov sisters survives the assassination and is found by the Japanese who then proceed to marry them into the Royal family to give Japan a claim over all of Russia?
Yes the Romanov sisters are assassinated in July and the intervention starts in August, so either move the intervention forward a couple of months or have the Czechoslovak Legion rescue one of the sisters and bring her to the Japanese.
Either way, Japan should remain in Siberia after October 1922, with enough legitimacy so that America doesn't embargo Japan or force Japan's withdrawal
Finally, Japan should be able to pay for the “reclamation” of its territory from the Reds with Siberian gold/iron/gems/fur.
Alternatively, Alexieve survives and is made a puppet ruler to justify Japan's ongoing presence after the withdrawal of the other intervention forces.
The fact that Norway didn’t fall was actually possible in this timeline! As in our timeline the British sent an expeditionary force of lightly armed recruits who immediately suffered massive casualties and losses and pulled out
Thanks for these awesome videos?
I'll post this again: What if Japan invaded Hawaii on December 7th 1941?
What if chemical warfare happened in europe during WW2? Germany had huge stockpiles of Sarin and the UK stockpiled Anthrax, so in my eyes it's more surprising it didn't happen.
"Famine would spread across Europe" Made me laugh, that's just business as usual in Eastern Europe
What if Stalin’s paranoia was more extreme and never ended? No generals or advisors are allowed as the Soviet Union. Stalin is the ONLY person in charge.
Stak your videos are way too good. I cant imagine the research and *pain* you had to do these stuff for our entertainment and learning.
Your seriously awesome
What if Churchill was PM in 1937?
"no major offensives would be going on at this time"
Plan R4 and Operation Weserübung: Allow us to introduce ourselves
If Lend lease from the US was at a reduced level then Russian attrition would be increased as their resources dwindled. The US could have decided how weak to leave the USSR, just as their help at a price cost the British Empire
Spain Joins the Axis!!!
IIRC part of the plan to liberate Eastern Europe involved conscripting German POWs to increase the Allied numbers.
Byzantium sequel: what would a reformed Byzantium do in WW2?
What if the West came to Hungary's aid during the Hungarian Revolution in the 1950s?
Please, keep asking for this one
Stakuyi! Are you excited for the new DLC coming? Germany is getting some fun stuff and i feel like you will love it!
Your face waves like a flag with every move
What if Finland captured St Petersburg?
What if British fears came true and the Germans entered the second Boer War on the side of the Dutch boers (potentially triggering an early ww1) Let's say for this hyperthetical they (the British) refused to try breaker morant for war crimes thus the Boers refused to come to the negotiating table. (you may need to play Victoria 2 or victoria 3 for this one).
No matter how much Churchill wanted it, there is no conceivable way they’d get the allied armies to fight after they’d been promised peace
what if Ireland got real support from Germany during the 1916 rising which lead to a version of operation emerald?
"[..] Airpower greater than anything that Japan would be able to do."
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What if appeasement never happened
23:23 "the war would turn into a stalemate"
the unactive battleplane:
Whit if Japan didn't go to war with the US in 1941. Realizing the US industry might be too powerful to fight.
I still love that in every allied what if run Poland gets shafted at best and wiped out at worst. And then in the Russian monarchy run they were liberated with the most land.
The Soviets would have had a huge numbers advantage...... until the US dropped a nuke or two on their massed armies.
Idea: What if imperial germany expanded into Asia rather than Africa(Great War redux)
It's not that "unthinkable." A zillion starving Soviets would have been very easy to scatter. They had already picked all food and resources in their areas of influence during the push for Berlin. That is part of the reason why people were fleeing hundreds of miles out of the way to surrender to the well supplied zones of the U. S. and the Brits.
Idea: What if Germany focused on Russia after invasion of Poland?
What if Belguim ascended the position of Holy Roman Emperor and recreated the HRE under their reign?
What if Poland was better prepared for the the german invasion in 1939
One point of note for the video: Allied and Soviet divisions were not equal in terms of size. A standard Soviet rifle division had about 9500 troops in it at full nominal strength while the average American division was 15,000 men strong. So while the Soviets may have had a 2x nominal divisional strength advantage in the European theatre the actual manpower difference was much less. Then there's the fact that this is nominal strength that we're talking about with many of those Soviet divisions being battered and bruised from many years of intense fighting in Europe. The advantage was still on the Soviets side but the skew was nowhere near as heavy as this video implies.
Operation sorta kinda thinkable.
What happens if the Spanish civil war happened earlier and ended sooner. Then Spain joins the axis and goes in on France from the south.
Attempt 13: (Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?
What if Germany did not invade the user but focused on the British. Once they won to them if they did win then attacked the USSR.
What if Qing was divided after the eight nation alliance in 1900 and was left with only a small piece of land.
What if Greece went communist? (Either base game or cold war.)
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What if Japan embraced the East Asia League and treated there subjects humanly
What if Japan joined the central powers?
idea: what if Scandinavian countries join ww1 ( either side )
What if Poland held out against Germany in WW2?
What if, during ww1, the polish Lithuania commonwealth rose again?
What if Germany was the first one to create the tank and use it in World War 1?
What if Canada broke away from the Commonwealth and became an independent military superpower
I wNt Stakuyi to choose the next one ❤
2:00 This projected balance doesn't take into consideration:
- that soviet divisions were understrength (they rarely wanted to dissolve divisionas as it allowed them to use more artillery)
- soviet manpower issues (during Berlin Strategic Offensive they already had 16 and 17yo conscripted)
- the influance of LL (despite making 1/3 of soviet car park, Studebackers were responsible for 50% of soviet car logistics)
- allies industrial and technological advantage (both USArmy and British Army were fully mechanized/motorized (for standards of 1945))
- polish partisants that would disturb soviet logistics
- that soviets didn't have any real countr to american strategic bombers and allies would have free reign in sky
- that soviet cities were already destroyed despite some industry being rebuild in them.
The allies were going to bomb Baku after the winter war began. Fast forward to a year and a half later and the Brit’s and Soviets are invading Iran together. History is wild man
What is the Anglo-Egyptian Treaty of 1936 angered the Egyptians so much they joined the Axis and took (and possibly blew) the Suez canal.
But, what if goring took over Germany and put a lion in control, you may need your cat for this one!
One thing to consider, if the western allies fought Russia offensively or defensively Russian logistic support from the west would be cut off, and the US likely WOULD have used nukes prolifically.
Yep, gonna need Metal Gear Rising music for this amount of carnage.
What if the soviets invaded first?
Like what if the Germans had chosen to wait to prepare for longer or something or how could the soviets have been more prepared
What if Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov didn't go to work? (or was just never hired in the first place)
Hear me out… Trotsky joins the Axis
What if the polish government had prepared better for a german invasion and made competent decisions
Its crazy that my great grandfather was actually supposed to invade Japan and was on his way there when the atom bombs were dropped and they surrendered before he got there. So the atom bomb might've saved his life.
The Allies preparing to attack the Soviets after seeing them fight tooth and nail for 4 years in a defensive war.
What if the US won Korea War
Kyrgyzstan on Millennium Dawn.
Cause, yknow. Their flag looks like the Xbox Logo.
What if Mengkukuo joined the allies?
Why would it?
What if the Soviets veto the UN-Entry into the Korean War (meaning the Soviet Delegate didn't abstain the Vote).
I am baffled at this knowledge.
Did China not veto?
I have many questions.
@@WaterZer0 China back then in the eyes of the UN meant Nationalist China (KMT) and they were very much in favour of fighting communists. The PRC (Communist China) only get recognised in the 70s iirc.
Cool video! An idea: What if America fell to CPUSA or the Silver Shirts?
The Soviets also at that time had shortages oil, or fuel since a large percentage was imported from the USA.
What if the Moroccan Crisis started WW1?
I think one of the BIG diferances that would have to change is the american atituid towards Lend Leace.
Britan would not have continued the artic convoys after the revolution, and it would have tryed to force the same conditions for lend lease onto the sovet's. Blocking the americans from full aide towards the sovet union most probly by demanding the same conditions.
With Far less Chemiocals for HE rounds and worse logistics the soviets would be hard pressed to keep there heavy armour equiped and the infantey suplyed.
What if Finland was able to somehow take Moscow in 1939 and then take out Germany in 1941 and then invading the UK and then nuking japan and then bought alaska and then became a super power?
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Global Defense is the historical path i believe (or at least, the AI always goes down Global Defense but it just waits before doing motion of no confidence)
Day 56 of asking stakuyi to do the goddess viira path for barrad magroacy in equestria at war
Thank you very much stakuyi
What if U.S. focused on Asian Theater, I.E., the defense of the Philippines?
On PHL's POV, what if Manuel Quezon believed that Japan may eventually invade Philippines?
What if Quezon SAVED MORE JEWS than what he gathered at around 1500+ the Americans intended?
Idea: What if Stalin never purged the Red Army?
What if Russia had denied the montreux convention and invaded Turkey at the same time as Finland? A black sea campaign?
What if Russia invaded Germany instead of vice-versa?
What if the Russian Provisional Government survived
What if the allies permanently occupied Germany after ww1 rather than the treaty of Versailles?
Would the soviets still invade Poland? Would there be another avenue to conflict?
Oh I’ve got one, what if the allies retreated to the Brisbane line in Australia and Japan managed to invade Darwin and land troops
Are Armchair Historian and Stakuyi working together?
I thought the same 😅 two videos on same topic in a short span