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Thanks hawk, I agree Oda is probably the best Japan forming candidate. Also, I never saw Ashikaga expand, that's actually news to me One thing I do think helps in the Japan conquest is do NOT state lands. I'm not sure about most people, but for me admin points are at a premium in my Japan campaigns. What I recommend is get all the provinces in the state, then half state it and save your admin points until you are good on tech. Once tech is good, full state
One note about finishing Daimyo missions before forming Japan: one of the final missions can take until the 1700s to finish simply because it requires you to resolve all but one Shinto events, each of which has a 30 year cooldown between them. Edit because I wrote the first comment in between gaming: Japan actually has three unique government types, two unlocked by the mission The Balance of Power and one unlocked by a mission after turning Christian. The first one gives you permanent access to the ability to transfer subjects at half war score cost, while the second one gives you more max estate privileges, estate loyalty, tolerance of true faith, and no stability loss on monarch death. The third turns you into a monarchy version of a crusader state, giving permanent holy war and cleansing of heresy CBs, and a unique government interaction. Rare Redhawk research L.
Your guides are the best Hawk. I haven’t really played EU4 in a few months yet I’ve still been watching your vids to keep sharp on it. I’m probably about to have more time to actually play the game soon so I like to see you keep pushing them out! I know you did a few Italian guides recently but the new Venice update looks amazing so I’d love to see a guide on them soon! Thanks man!
21:55 I would also recommend you to take the Japanese ideas if you want to play a lot with the Samurai special units since without them you will only be able to have a small amount of them.
I just finished a Japan game last night. I even started as Oda and united Japan in roughly 27-30 years, but quit when my next ruler died. Let me explain, Oda’s starting ruler is great and all, but I ended up getting a 6/5/6 daughter as his heir, and when he bit the dust in battle she took over and ended up being the one that actually united Japan, annexed Korea, Ainu, and most of Manchuria. Died in her 70s as the Shoguness, and honestly I got so attached to her that it killed my desire to continue that campaign. It’s just not the same without her leading the Imperial Army and stack wiping 50k Ming troops that couldn’t retreat due to a fort.
Had a similar experience! Shoguness that wanted to fight on the battlefield (event that made ber a general) and lead my armies to conquer China. Sometimes these little bits of flavor really grow on you
Taking 23 ducat loans to pay off 17 ducal loans is a really bad idea, unless bankruptcy is looming. You don't save a single penny on interest. Every bit of interest you would pay for the rest of the old loan instead you pay immediately as part of the early payment. Plus you get the new inflation.
once bankruptcy is looming you cant take loans at all, so you have to know when to restructure your loans if youre going to do that, which in reality most good players dont. If you ever watch florryworry for sp, or absolutehabibi for mp, or zlewikk who does a little bit of both, yhe reality is no one gives a fuck about the extra like 20 ducats you pay to restructure your loans right now instead of when theyre expiring
@@boop7441 It's the inflation from renewing loans every 18 months that matters. Just keep an eye on when they're coming due and take anew loan in advance of that to pay off the old one. Folks underestimate inflation. Every loan is about 4 ADM in eventual inflation reduction cost, in addition to the extra expense inflation causes in the mean time.
@@DvdAvins this is the kind of stuff that matters when you're growing by developing land in mp, not the kind of stuff that matters in sp. People in this game spend hours playing on speed 2 pausing every few days just to finish a wc before 1500/1550/1600 and almost none of us look at how long our loans are going to be before restructuring them. its really just not worth the effort.
@@boop7441 If you listen to what (at least some of) them say, they think they're saving money by doing it. Folks just don't get that you pay the interest, even if you have to pay it early.
Try the same as Shimazu, imo Ultimate MIL Ideas they have but in starting a run twice as complicated to roll with them. Keep up good work and bless ya mate.
Humiliate Rival is really important do asap for the age goal, and whoever you do it to will probably get annexed by somebody else within a few months of you peacing out. Ditto for show strength, just pick somebody weak who doesn't border a daimyo with a lvl3 fort, and you'll have the money and the drugs. Fabricating claims is a good idea just to save some mana, you don't need to have super high relations with Ashikaga to avoid force suppuku, just above 100 (in my experience) and once you get big enough to get >50 liberty desire he can't, so relations don't matter.
For those of you more experienced, as Oda, you do not really need any Military Ideas to succeed, the bonuses they get are good enough already, the AI is kinda shit. I would instead go for Diplomatic for the Province War Score Cost, which will be -30% when you invade Korea and China, then admin for the -25% CCR, then either Religious for the CB and conversion bonuses, or Espionage for the AE impact and the big Siege Bonuses, then take whichever you did not take as your fourth idea.
Also worth noting that early wars for show strength are extremely strong if you can string enough together you can get tech 4 or even tech 5 before the others get tech 4 also with the added points you can dev renaissance quicker idea groups have changed recently too quality are good then follow with admin or espionage whichever you dont pick is your 3rd group after that diplo so you can get the province war score cost decrease With oda ideas as japan you will not need money making things especially after you take chinese trade and korea because the dev is so strong and the trade is so valuable that money will most likely not be an issue. Oda ideas are based around blobbing so picking ideas that support that is extremely valuable.
Japan immediately after unification is a mess of debt, inflation, lack of admin and high autonomy. It takes time to fix itself. There is however one thing that makes life easier with little to no effort. Bank of Ming. After taking Hokkaido you build a navy that can clap Ming plus a dozen trade ships. Put a merchant in Hangzhou node and direct every single trade ship you have there. It should give you enough trade power to fabricate trade conflict on Ming with 30 spy network. A special CB that gives warscore for blockades. If you only have the home islands and Hokkaido, Ming will be unable to challenge your army even if its on a 100 Mandate. Meanwhile you just relax and murder your rebels. Then the best part. Drain Ming of all cash, peace out and IMMEDIATELY declare on Ryukyu before the game has time to register Ming's newfound debt. Enjoy your pending second withdrawal from the Bank of Ming.
Samurai actually aren't as good as they seem at first. Any time there's a bonus to discipline that only applies to specific units, whether they're special units, from a general trait, or mercenary discipline, it actually doesn't have any effect on military tactics. So the 5% discipline that samurai units get is just a +5% damage bonus, which isn't bad, but not amazing. And, while I can't remember the specifics, due to the way it's codes "-10% morale damage taken" does not actually reduce the amount of moral damage you take by 10%. And with those 2 modifiers, are they really worth the 50% higher reinforcement cost?
-10% moralr damage taken only doesnt apply to the passive morale damage, which is fairly minimal. 5% discipline to special units should also impact military tactics, and I'm not sure why you don't think it does.
I have honestly started to find this region quite frustrating as I can never get things going proper before spain shows up and demolish everything around and locks me in. Usaully around 1534
i swear tokugawa has the best ideas for the new japan since you need to dev so much, by the time you get the ideas you dont really need oda since you are unstoppable already
Oda again! Shimazu has better national ideas, Oda only get's CCR and province war score cost. You also can't take advantage of your starting situation with trapping your enemies army. CCR isn't that helpful for a tall campaign only if you want to expand like crazy e.g. if you take on a WC or WC + one faith!
Same, by the time I get there they always have at least 47K troops and I don’t know what it is but my manpower just disintegrates while even when they lose they immediately get all their troops baco
Hi, Hawk. Guess what...after watching like over 100 videos, I remembered that could do something crazy, like subscribe to one of my favorite channels 😂😅😅 here to stay tho
3:15 this is actually really rng reliant. my start is instead to take admin and mil mana, sell titles to get my estates loyal, look for a stability cost advisor, get it, then stab up and take the mission for +1 stab, putting me at 2 stability. I expect to be forced seppuku at most once, so this is on average enough stability until i form japan. Then i reject royal marriages and do everything I can to expand quickly enough to become disloyal. Then ashikaga becomes unable to force seppuku. Thats why personally i like to play uesugi, because being able to so rapidly reach >50% LD is so valuable. If you're planning on playing a tall/colonial japan game, where you take the japan ideas, go for uesugi and spur the ashikaga shogunate
Is it worth it to become a theocracy as Japan? (From my understanding. the fastest way to get the reform as Japan is through the ikko ikki, and the ikko ikki theocracy reform doesn't really care what religion you are even though it initially makes you Buddhist)
Japan gets two possible unique 1st govt reforms during the Age of Absolutism, one of which gives +5 admin efficiency. And Shinto has a unique 4th tier reform that unlocks Divine Ideas regardless of the govt type.
While both are true. Shinto isn't really that amazing. It's main selling point is free divine ideas (which aren't that powerful and can give a bad event) and extra morale (which the ikko ikki theocracy reform gives an equal amount to) in addition to its incidents. It is arguably better to become emperor of China and have Shinto be harmonized for the extra infantry combat ability and go defensive for the morale boost, though it could be better to just stay Buddhist (the ikko ikki theocracy reform has karma decay and the monuments in Japan can work with Buddhism) or convert to a branch of Christianity (Catholic is only good with a very specific reform as Japan. Reformed can replace the morale of being Shinto and has certain benefits. Protestant can help you conquer the world and help you colonize but has few requirements to get it going. Orthodox while the second most difficult for Japan to acquire it is still very good. Hussite however is not worth the time and effort as Japan because it doesn't help Japan much and is probably gone before you would even have it as an option, the main cost however is that any monuments for Christianity are in/around Europe which means you lose out on many of the monuments on your starting continent)
@@christianwhite8877 Yeah, I'm aware. And I agree, ultimately Confucian is a better option as an Eastern religion. Moreover, taking Divine ideas and switching out of the 4th reform/changing religion doesn't cancel the ideas. And of you care about Eastern monuments the ones that are available for Shinto are also available for Confucian.
@@stesnuash8986 also shinto only existing in japan makes deus vult work on every nation in the game which is great for a world conquest especially if you stay in the shogun government reform, but ultimately vassal swam wcs are better done by austria or spain.
I am so confused. I have played through the Japan area a few times in previous patches, but was thinking of knocking out the latest Japan achievement and using Oda for it.. but I keep getting Seppuku on my rulers CONSTANTLY. I have royal married, had 150 or more relations, and nothing seems to matter. Mulitple runs keep getting 2 or 3 in a row and it just grinds the run to a halt.
Is it really worth it to give the diplo and military monarch point privileges instead of waiting until you can seize enough land to prevent the autonomy debuff? Because you also can't embrace the institutions for a long time so you just hoard monarch points
Does anyone have a straight forward strat (which decisions to take during the shinto events, which daimyo to pick) to become ikko ikki theocratic japan ?
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Aztects, Timurids or Oirat pls
i shit myself halfway through once again 😢
Venice
Timurids 100%
@@indiradevi8136 pls no, we just had 2 guides on italian nations
So Hype for So in A to Z. Pirate samurai are unstoppable
I think you should pick your daimyo based on which one has the nicest map colour :)
So it's still Oda lol
And emblem. That chrysanthemum is so cool
Virgin choosing for ideas vs Chad choosing the daimyo w the best color
@@c_f0rce Shimazu for that sexy purple
Nanak that means we choose Takeda. Paint the map orange
Thanks hawk, I agree Oda is probably the best Japan forming candidate. Also, I never saw Ashikaga expand, that's actually news to me
One thing I do think helps in the Japan conquest is do NOT state lands. I'm not sure about most people, but for me admin points are at a premium in my Japan campaigns. What I recommend is get all the provinces in the state, then half state it and save your admin points until you are good on tech. Once tech is good, full state
I always state it all & reduce autonomy, just focus admin & it will be enough anyways, especially if you pull off a humiliate war or two first.
I full state the first ones that I conquer, but the rest I only half state. tosave admin and avoid going way over gov cap
A guide for Maya, Inca, or Aztec would b pretty cool.
One note about finishing Daimyo missions before forming Japan: one of the final missions can take until the 1700s to finish simply because it requires you to resolve all but one Shinto events, each of which has a 30 year cooldown between them.
Edit because I wrote the first comment in between gaming: Japan actually has three unique government types, two unlocked by the mission The Balance of Power and one unlocked by a mission after turning Christian. The first one gives you permanent access to the ability to transfer subjects at half war score cost, while the second one gives you more max estate privileges, estate loyalty, tolerance of true faith, and no stability loss on monarch death. The third turns you into a monarchy version of a crusader state, giving permanent holy war and cleansing of heresy CBs, and a unique government interaction. Rare Redhawk research L.
Your guides are the best Hawk. I haven’t really played EU4 in a few months yet I’ve still been watching your vids to keep sharp on it. I’m probably about to have more time to actually play the game soon so I like to see you keep pushing them out! I know you did a few Italian guides recently but the new Venice update looks amazing so I’d love to see a guide on them soon! Thanks man!
21:55 I would also recommend you to take the Japanese ideas if you want to play a lot with the Samurai special units since without them you will only be able to have a small amount of them.
I just finished a Japan game last night. I even started as Oda and united Japan in roughly 27-30 years, but quit when my next ruler died.
Let me explain, Oda’s starting ruler is great and all, but I ended up getting a 6/5/6 daughter as his heir, and when he bit the dust in battle she took over and ended up being the one that actually united Japan, annexed Korea, Ainu, and most of Manchuria. Died in her 70s as the Shoguness, and honestly I got so attached to her that it killed my desire to continue that campaign.
It’s just not the same without her leading the Imperial Army and stack wiping 50k Ming troops that couldn’t retreat due to a fort.
Had a similar experience! Shoguness that wanted to fight on the battlefield (event that made ber a general) and lead my armies to conquer China.
Sometimes these little bits of flavor really grow on you
Wtf I dont play eu4 anymore but female shogun? Thats so omega lame
Taking 23 ducat loans to pay off 17 ducal loans is a really bad idea, unless bankruptcy is looming. You don't save a single penny on interest. Every bit of interest you would pay for the rest of the old loan instead you pay immediately as part of the early payment. Plus you get the new inflation.
once bankruptcy is looming you cant take loans at all, so you have to know when to restructure your loans if youre going to do that, which in reality most good players dont.
If you ever watch florryworry for sp, or absolutehabibi for mp, or zlewikk who does a little bit of both, yhe reality is no one gives a fuck about the extra like 20 ducats you pay to restructure your loans right now instead of when theyre expiring
@@boop7441 It's the inflation from renewing loans every 18 months that matters. Just keep an eye on when they're coming due and take anew loan in advance of that to pay off the old one. Folks underestimate inflation. Every loan is about 4 ADM in eventual inflation reduction cost, in addition to the extra expense inflation causes in the mean time.
@@DvdAvins this is the kind of stuff that matters when you're growing by developing land in mp, not the kind of stuff that matters in sp. People in this game spend hours playing on speed 2 pausing every few days just to finish a wc before 1500/1550/1600 and almost none of us look at how long our loans are going to be before restructuring them. its really just not worth the effort.
@@boop7441 If you listen to what (at least some of) them say, they think they're saving money by doing it. Folks just don't get that you pay the interest, even if you have to pay it early.
Try the same as Shimazu, imo Ultimate MIL Ideas they have but in starting a run twice as complicated to roll with them. Keep up good work and bless ya mate.
Humiliate Rival is really important do asap for the age goal, and whoever you do it to will probably get annexed by somebody else within a few months of you peacing out. Ditto for show strength, just pick somebody weak who doesn't border a daimyo with a lvl3 fort, and you'll have the money and the drugs. Fabricating claims is a good idea just to save some mana, you don't need to have super high relations with Ashikaga to avoid force suppuku, just above 100 (in my experience) and once you get big enough to get >50 liberty desire he can't, so relations don't matter.
8:45 did he just take the wrong choice? Wanted to go down a level towards more openess and chose the isolationist path
Yeah
Thank you very much for no spoilers in the beginning
For those of you more experienced, as Oda, you do not really need any Military Ideas to succeed, the bonuses they get are good enough already, the AI is kinda shit. I would instead go for Diplomatic for the Province War Score Cost, which will be -30% when you invade Korea and China, then admin for the -25% CCR, then either Religious for the CB and conversion bonuses, or Espionage for the AE impact and the big Siege Bonuses, then take whichever you did not take as your fourth idea.
A guide for Aragon may be nice, since I don’t really know what to do beyond no CB-ing Byz, fighting the Maghreb guys and following the mission tree.
Also worth noting that early wars for show strength are extremely strong if you can string enough together you can get tech 4 or even tech 5 before the others get tech 4
also with the added points you can dev renaissance quicker
idea groups have changed recently too
quality are good
then follow with admin or espionage
whichever you dont pick is your 3rd group
after that diplo so you can get the province war score cost decrease
With oda ideas as japan you will not need money making things especially after you take chinese trade and korea because the dev is so strong and the trade is so valuable that money will most likely not be an issue.
Oda ideas are based around blobbing so picking ideas that support that is extremely valuable.
Thanks for the video.
Japan immediately after unification is a mess of debt, inflation, lack of admin and high autonomy. It takes time to fix itself. There is however one thing that makes life easier with little to no effort. Bank of Ming.
After taking Hokkaido you build a navy that can clap Ming plus a dozen trade ships. Put a merchant in Hangzhou node and direct every single trade ship you have there. It should give you enough trade power to fabricate trade conflict on Ming with 30 spy network. A special CB that gives warscore for blockades. If you only have the home islands and Hokkaido, Ming will be unable to challenge your army even if its on a 100 Mandate. Meanwhile you just relax and murder your rebels.
Then the best part. Drain Ming of all cash, peace out and IMMEDIATELY declare on Ryukyu before the game has time to register Ming's newfound debt. Enjoy your pending second withdrawal from the Bank of Ming.
Samurai actually aren't as good as they seem at first. Any time there's a bonus to discipline that only applies to specific units, whether they're special units, from a general trait, or mercenary discipline, it actually doesn't have any effect on military tactics. So the 5% discipline that samurai units get is just a +5% damage bonus, which isn't bad, but not amazing. And, while I can't remember the specifics, due to the way it's codes "-10% morale damage taken" does not actually reduce the amount of moral damage you take by 10%. And with those 2 modifiers, are they really worth the 50% higher reinforcement cost?
-10% moralr damage taken only doesnt apply to the passive morale damage, which is fairly minimal. 5% discipline to special units should also impact military tactics, and I'm not sure why you don't think it does.
I have honestly started to find this region quite frustrating as I can never get things going proper before spain shows up and demolish everything around and locks me in. Usaully around 1534
real just like on real life history except about spain
hawk is against divine ideas but ridiculous level of moral and manpower is my favorite way to play (as Persia has always got me great success)
i swear tokugawa has the best ideas for the new japan since you need to dev so much, by the time you get the ideas you dont really need oda since you are unstoppable already
Kilwa or Mali Guide? Africa nations are fun to play.
he has an old kilwa guide it should be quite viable still
15:19 “yellow nation?” Easy there tiger! (Jk JK)
I was thinking about this gameplay yesterday lol
Oda again! Shimazu has better national ideas, Oda only get's CCR and province war score cost. You also can't take advantage of your starting situation with trapping your enemies army.
CCR isn't that helpful for a tall campaign only if you want to expand like crazy e.g. if you take on a WC or WC + one faith!
Yeah, Samurai is great
Would have been nice to see your first war in Korea, they always kick my ass.
Same, by the time I get there they always have at least 47K troops and I don’t know what it is but my manpower just disintegrates while even when they lose they immediately get all their troops baco
Hi, Hawk. Guess what...after watching like over 100 videos, I remembered that could do something crazy, like subscribe to one of my favorite channels 😂😅😅 here to stay tho
Humilliation 4-5 time before expand is better, you will get a more solid Japan.
nice
3:15 this is actually really rng reliant. my start is instead to take admin and mil mana, sell titles to get my estates loyal, look for a stability cost advisor, get it, then stab up and take the mission for +1 stab, putting me at 2 stability. I expect to be forced seppuku at most once, so this is on average enough stability until i form japan. Then i reject royal marriages and do everything I can to expand quickly enough to become disloyal. Then ashikaga becomes unable to force seppuku.
Thats why personally i like to play uesugi, because being able to so rapidly reach >50% LD is so valuable. If you're planning on playing a tall/colonial japan game, where you take the japan ideas, go for uesugi and spur the ashikaga shogunate
Hey Hawk, i love you :3
Another guide for a nation that didnt change?
no but really, was the last guide this outdated?
Is it worth it to become a theocracy as Japan? (From my understanding. the fastest way to get the reform as Japan is through the ikko ikki, and the ikko ikki theocracy reform doesn't really care what religion you are even though it initially makes you Buddhist)
Japan gets two possible unique 1st govt reforms during the Age of Absolutism, one of which gives +5 admin efficiency. And Shinto has a unique 4th tier reform that unlocks Divine Ideas regardless of the govt type.
While both are true. Shinto isn't really that amazing. It's main selling point is free divine ideas (which aren't that powerful and can give a bad event) and extra morale (which the ikko ikki theocracy reform gives an equal amount to) in addition to its incidents. It is arguably better to become emperor of China and have Shinto be harmonized for the extra infantry combat ability and go defensive for the morale boost, though it could be better to just stay Buddhist (the ikko ikki theocracy reform has karma decay and the monuments in Japan can work with Buddhism) or convert to a branch of Christianity (Catholic is only good with a very specific reform as Japan. Reformed can replace the morale of being Shinto and has certain benefits. Protestant can help you conquer the world and help you colonize but has few requirements to get it going. Orthodox while the second most difficult for Japan to acquire it is still very good. Hussite however is not worth the time and effort as Japan because it doesn't help Japan much and is probably gone before you would even have it as an option, the main cost however is that any monuments for Christianity are in/around Europe which means you lose out on many of the monuments on your starting continent)
@@christianwhite8877
Yeah, I'm aware. And I agree, ultimately Confucian is a better option as an Eastern religion. Moreover, taking Divine ideas and switching out of the 4th reform/changing religion doesn't cancel the ideas. And of you care about Eastern monuments the ones that are available for Shinto are also available for Confucian.
@@stesnuash8986 also shinto only existing in japan makes deus vult work on every nation in the game which is great for a world conquest especially if you stay in the shogun government reform, but ultimately vassal swam wcs are better done by austria or spain.
I am so confused. I have played through the Japan area a few times in previous patches, but was thinking of knocking out the latest Japan achievement and using Oda for it.. but I keep getting Seppuku on my rulers CONSTANTLY. I have royal married, had 150 or more relations, and nothing seems to matter. Mulitple runs keep getting 2 or 3 in a row and it just grinds the run to a halt.
I'm begging for a Trebizond guide with 1.37
Tibet guide next please!
Prefer Shimazu for unstoppable army Japan, most of ODA´s ideas are pips related which you get anyways by being at war most of the time. :)
hey man i’m really new can i ask how do you get so many points (military administration stuff) and how do you get claims and rivalries
"Unstoppable japan" so we are japan and 20 provinces in korea
Japan, ok. But what is about Ryukyu in 1.37? It is frustrating, I can't get the three mountains
Yarimazing
please do Ming guide
Please do Cusco
Is it really worth it to give the diplo and military monarch point privileges instead of waiting until you can seize enough land to prevent the autonomy debuff? Because you also can't embrace the institutions for a long time so you just hoard monarch points
you can use the monarch points to dev the institution and spawn it, Oda's capital is farmland even so it is cheaper to dev
Aztec? Timirids? Hordes? Middle East nations?
ASHIKAGA KEEPS FORCING ME SEPPUKU BRUHHHHHHHHHHHH
even though my relations are great
Does anyone have a straight forward strat (which decisions to take during the shinto events, which daimyo to pick) to become ikko ikki theocratic japan ?
Why is everyone blue?
Sigh Shimazu not mentioned...
first
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Unless you're unifying Japan as Tokugawa you're doing it wrong.
104 minutes in 4 views bro fell off
Oda ideas: one piece must last for a decade more.