CLAN WARS - WILL "SIEGE" CHANGE RAID FOREVER??l (round table)
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- RAID Shadow Legends | Clan Siege : Will Clan vs Clan Be Good?
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Time is an issue!
For this to be a success for the average player they need to add quick battles to doom tower bosses and hydra and add super raids to mino.
Huh? You can literally just afk all this content why would u need quick battles for everything?
And let Mino give scrolls to all champs per run, not just one.
Do something with the 3V3 tag arena would be better, imo, so long and borring
Because he probably has a life and doesn't want to spend all day on a phone game.
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Plarium can't messed this up.. LOL Saph trying out some new comedy material.. lol
Hahaha perfect. Thank you :)
I have a feeling this will rip clans apart. One thing to make things better/easier, they need to improve the chat system in the game
I am a clan leader and I set up a discord chat for my clan.. people who want to join will join and participate
They can improve the clan chat all they want, 80% of players still wont use it.
Yup , if this becomes a must to stay in the clan i am out of clan and the game in general
I watched the whole "Siege" vid and I noticed in the "prep stage" that the timer said 2d.16h so I think this is going to be a week long event that'll probably happen every other week between CvC's. If it is going to be week long then I also predict clans splitting up over this mode as time to play your game and do this on top of CvC/fusions/Titan events is way too much for people with RL commitments. Raid is almost a second job as it is, and putting more pressure on time without significant time saving QoL's everywhere else it will be too much for many to keep playing I'm thinking as Raid is fast becoming a PvP game with PvE elements instead of the other way around and what most of the player base started playing Raid for was the PvE.
I got a bad feeling this will just amplify the really stupid behavior that some clan leaders have towards their fellow clan mates. Mess up a defense, get kicked out, stuff like that.
That's why not to join clans that care about this garbage
then join a more casual clan, not one of those very competitive one...
@@cjhaedaten8711 My clan is casual but I still rule with an iron fist.
@@kevinsmarts9953 as you should
Idk, but I know changing the 3v3 progress missions would be a better start in my opinion. Cheers 🍻
Yes. Yesyesyes. That NEEDS to change
that should be balanced YEARS AGO.... still stuck at silver
@@cjhaedaten8711 facts.
@@cjhaedaten8711 I'm now happily in bronze 1 for over a year after banging my head against the wall in silver 4. 3v3 is simply torture and I for one am not a masochist.
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Too complicated. Too time consuming. I do not play RAID to interact with other players. Will require lots of exchanges on discord, as the in-game clan chat sucks. 😢
I completely agree, and feel the same way.
I can already see most clans yoloing this.
There's no way that the average clan can manage to co-ordinate for this.
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What does that response have anything to do with the dudes comment? You using a bot for responses now?
really not interested in this, i have the time but just don't want to be a team player, happy to do my best for clan wars but want to play my game my way
There's a guild out there for you...I guarantee it
TOO COSTLY TO ADVANCE no ftp chance?
Lemure is the only HP based bomb champion in the game. Very nice of Plarium to give him a buff!
i just noticed that as well :D stealth buff :D
Thanks for pointing that out, but I hope they come out with a better champ...
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I love the new addition but, "A game for the unemployed": should be there new moto. Since you won't have enough time to both progress and play seige in this game. But then again, I guess you can chose what you want to do
Because we had such a weak fusion (with the same hero path afterwards) I finally jumped from 7 to maxed on Sand Devil. There is no time to enjoy the game your way when the game mandates what you do. Similarly, the time constraints have made me virtually abandon 2 other Plarium games I'd spent money in for 10 years each (Stormfall and Sparta).
True. I'm only playing this game to fill time on a leave of absence from work. I won't be able to keep up when I go back soon.
Hahaha superb comment. Thank you :)
It seems that u dont need. You just do your 3 battles and wait another 2 weeks...its like a glorified tag team arena battle :D
This will be fine if you are in a clan full of Krakens. If you're in a less competitive clan, you're never going to get anything out of this. And the amount of extra time required is making this game feel like a second job 😊
so if ur not a competetive clan u will lose to clans who take it more serious than urs? damn how shocking, that should be illegal, u should win even if u are less competetive than ur enemys :)
Clans likely will be matched against other clans of similar strength. Krakens v. Krakens and ftp v. ftp. There is likely nothing but rewards for participating (you don't lose anything for losing cvc), and it likely won't cost energy to do these battles.
The only down side to me is the potential time sink. My clan isn't going to be facing pay-to-win clans, we'll be facing similarly powered clans, so I just don't care about krakens.
@@skelton4795 that is a gross misrepresentation of what they said 😂
Like, is that how your brain really works?
@@aBadWizard the only other way i can understand his take would be, that he thinks every clan that is not full of krakens is less competetive resulting in never winning/getting anything, which would be an even worse take. Otherwise i would appreciate it if u could tell me what else he means with the first 2 sentences.
Aye that. I don't even drop into Live Arena. Time kills
I threw up in my mouth when he said "leadership chat". This is supposed to be a game. Sounds more like my actual job.
Next up: mandatory conference calls for guilds 😂
Ash has an incredible ability to assimilate information so quickly for his viewers and really create understandable content, this is even more evident and collaborations where he creates space for other ideas and thoughts while quickly piggybacking off of them and extrapolating upon certain thoughts and
ideas to make easily digestible content
Just want to point out i don't have enough time for this so i will skip and the only result of this will be me getting kicked from my clan for inactivity, another way to squeeze money out of players.
Why is it everyone brings up there money issues it’s not hard to play f2p many accounts out there surpassed p2w accounts because of age and skill of there accounts
exactly my thoughts 😂
@@romeogarcia8774 I'm f2p that's why I'm bothered, they mythic did shift the pvp meta and fp2 is impossible there, plarium is slowly forgetting about balancing p2w and f2p making this game fun only for whales.
Then you will find another clan ! Still i agree most of it gonna be ugly p2w. Its ok if you still get some rewards as always and in all content of the game
Facts. I was in the same clan for 3 years and was forced to leave over CvC and Hydra. Our clan was very competitive and to be competitive against emerging super clans that were being formed minimums were continuously raised. When the clan leader raised CvC min to 750k and hydra to 2bill I had to leave. I was spending roughly $500 a month and 30hrs a week to stay in the clan. Plarium is forcing clans to recruit bigger spenders and this is what will end the game.
As I said on Hell Hades the only reason you all are liking this is because you are top clans and then we'll be the only ones that benefit
100% correct.
This is going to be a blast. It's already very hard to recruit new members, and now we will probably lose ppl who want to play siege while the rest doesn't even want to look into it. At least that's the feeling i've gotten from the chat in the clan already. So most likely i'm going to disband my 4 year old clan over this. And if I have to do that, I'm out myself. Awesome.
One of the things that annoys me with CC's on this is that they are all pretending that the majority of ppl actually like "pvp". There needs to be a button available for clan leaders to simply opt out of the whole siege thing.
How will clan leaders be able to tell what my account even looks like and all champs I might have to use? Doesn't even sound like a workable system already
That's relatively simple it will allow the leaders to see your champs, that is easily programmable. I've played other games that had a similar style clan war.
No it doesn't sound workable. How's the average clan leader supposed to sift through a pool of... Well potentially 300+ champions? It sounds a mighty burden most won't simply have time for
Like I saw in other comments, RL commitments tend to make RSL barely playable as a F2P/mild spender and progress without being logged in and doing things on the side while at work or home. Making a F2P game more time consuming tends to make potential players become idle or not even play. Clan I'm in has had 3 leader changes due to this and now that I'm the leader, trying to turn it around and recruit fresh players that stay is tedious. As Ash has said, one aspect of life suffers when you devote time to anything else, especially with a game that keeps wanting more. Sure every game out there has to keep it fresh to keep players playing, but it's neverending unless the devs screw up and the game takes a serious nose dive. The CCs that cover this game also cover other similar games and totally different styles of games. Platinum NEEDS to heed the player base that actually do CC and comment their social media feeds. My hats off to them for the fun things they've done, QOL improvements, etc but they also need to realize to pick and choose their battles. CCs put their time in to get a few in game goodies and some cool things like the shards Skratch recently got, but it only goes so far and I'd say a majority are on here making extra money by doing vids.
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Thanks man!
I wonder if the hp def bomb thing could be preview of a potential champion coming to the game. They been putting out alot of easter eggs about a particular champion that might pair wit that packmaster guy....if that's the case that makes him more valuable, and after seeing this footage mode i think he could be potential key champion in stalling a attack team out.
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I agree with the other comments regarding the time investment. Between champ building, fusions, misc. events/tournaments, gearing/regearing, team building, dungeons, clan bosses, doom tower, cursed city, there is PLENTY to do. I'm not sure I wanted yet a new game mode. Being FTP, mastering the various aspects of the game is challenging enough. Oh well, I guess we all make our choices in how much we want to invest as far as time/money.
seems like cvc went from mismatched wvw to mismatched pvp.
You three people add include hell Hades are talking delusional about this to think anyone besides the top 10 clans are going to have a chance at anything
I don't understand your rationale here. Does your clan never win a CvC or hydra clash? Never beat people on your level? That's what matchmaking is for. As for my clan, we win some and lose some but we never feel outmatched and we're ranked around 900. Way outside of the top 10.
Issue: Time zones. If half of the clan is in Europe and the other half is North America, I could see people leaving to join clans where their time online matches better. Also, if the end time for Wars is like Hydra & Arena, Euro players will have a major advantage. Lots of North American players don't even bother trying to place in Plat Arena because the final push happens when they are all sleeping.
You are joking, right? The timer resets at 2am in Central Europe when on summer time, so maybe you are thinking Russian time zones?
Saw one hour bonus item a bit concerned how this will work with clans across many time zones
Nice trio guys ❤ its a great idea to do the reaction video this way for a new content.
Thanks man! Glad you like it ;)
#1 Question: Will you be able to purchase the new currency with real-world money? If so, I think that's an issue. P2W is already baked in with roster depth, souls, Empowerment etc. Don't need/want ANOTHER milking update IMO. Having said that, I'm optimistic for the update, looks very cool, PLEASE don't mess this one up Raid.
It seems to be entertaining.
Sorry to ask this question - I have been trying out the Instinct set to see if it could boost some damage.
First - it does not give the message "Ignore def". Second - the damage looks exactly the same as ones that do not ignore defense. Yes, I am using 4 pieces on both Champions.
Thank you for your help.
first. i dont know why your asking a question right here . or why im intending to asnwer it as youll likely never see the respose.. but YES it works , i would say that it likely your champs are not built in such a manner that it reflecting the dmg for if your not buildign wiht adauate ACC Crit% , stacked dmg , and stacked corresponding dmg stat ie: atk def hp... then its really not going to reflect much differnt than any other set anyways... seems to me the most liekly scenario being that your asking the question under wuch circumstances suggests to me like MOST new players that plarium hasnt guided as to how to BUILD a champ properly (thanks to arbiter missions basically misleading ppl away form the reality ).. suggestions... watch some videos on how to build a dmg dealer.. best i can tell ya.
@djemmatthewbergholtz4901 I asked because it was a question about this game.
When I tested Instinct versus Savage gear with the same stats on each Champion (one attack and one defense), the Savage gear scored about 23% higher. I am going to assume that could be from the 25% ignore defense, not from the 5% difference in the two sets. When I tested Perception vs Instinct - Instinct scored about 2% more.
Guess I should never ask a question again, unless I have your permission.
The leader and deputys are the ones in control of rewards placing the teams and upgrading or repairing of the towers ,there are two new rewards for this purpose
Thanks for tuning in, Simon :)
It looks to me that they will match same lvl clans and this will run 30 days and play a lot like Sintranos, but the clan leaders are the ones who set up the types of champs can be used as you capture areas then clan members set up the defenses and work to get to the main Fortress. The clan that controls the Fortress at the end of the month gets the loot. I think each area captured also gives loot the first time.
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In a clan management perspective so far it's a planning nightmare and finding who's going to participate. Who will donate for the building and rebuilding.
My clan immediately set up a Discord server, which we probably should have done some time ago, but we're pretty casual-at least up until now. There is a consensus that we'll need to do a lot of coordination, and maybe help each other build better teams and offer tips on upgrading champs, so we took the plunge. Fingers crossed that it won't be a battle of the credit card as we will lose since I'd say 3/4 of the clan are FTP, and those of us who do buy some stuff mostly stick with energy packs.
I bet there is gonna be a shop with stuff like 3v3 arena and you can spent the win currency there and there's is gonna be fragments for the champ the same way it was for Drexthar
I think that bomb power is evidence that these stages will have special criteria/auras such as "All champs have a X% chance to place a bomb on each hit. " So in that battle, since every champ can place bombs, you'll want a bunch of cleansers and multi-hitters. But that's just my guess.
This looks awesome I think they will add a clan siege shop where you will be able to spend what you earn just like the clan shop
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I have so many questions thst I hope they answer in next video.
1. When you attack a defense and fail. Does tbe defense go back to full hp and cool downs or are they where you left them when they wiped.
2. If you set your best team on defense are they unusable on offense.
3. Will arena auras cont in this mode?
And all the questions you 3 posed
What an AMAZING colab!!!
Thanks man! Glad you like it :)
As a Clan Leader I have 24 members living all over the world. We are not online together at any given time. Gonna be difficult to strategize this with members. I have a feeling many will leave Raid. I am gaming for long but here I am shaking my head😊
Something Ash seems to be forgetting when he says the bonuses will help counteract whales in bad matchups... is that the whales also have the bonuses.
It doesn't give anyone an edge, unless they're making a smarter decision about which bonuses to choose.
If anything, the whales and tryhards will be making more educated decisions than the minnows and casuals, getting even more value out of their bonuses.
As someone who still plays CoC after all these years, I know how huge clan wars were for the game. I hope this does the same for Raid.
1 thing they didn't really clarify is if you set a hp champions only battle for example, does that affect both teams or just the attacking team?
HH covered this and he said it was both teams.
The only way this works out is if it's quite literally normalized across the board; basically, champions everyone uses are stripped of gear, ascensions, awakenings, blessings, and just treated as their basic champion mode at rank 6. Otherwise, it's just going to be another Kraken v Kraken, Whale v. Whale, and the average player won't get anything out of it.
Everything I've seen, read, and heard about this is bad news. Plarium says they understand the problems with areas of the game (*cough* Classic Arena *cough* Hydra Clash *cough* Tag Arena *cough* Live Arena *cough*) and then go and create a new mode of play with the exact same problems; and combines them. This is just a big ol' flop, and I can already find at least 14 reasons this won't be fun or engaging gameplay. I'm sure part 2 will elaborate and I'll find another 20. Plarium fails, again.
I also want to point out that people aren't so upset that their PvP affects their PvE... They're more upset because of the amount of PvP they have to do to get a decent Great Hall, and what that's tied to; (Arbiter takes 1 rank 10, Ramantu; 3 rank 10's, fairly early on. That's 10,200 Gold medals, at (in Gold 5) 4 each win; making it 2,550 wins; which is exactly that many hours worth of PvP. That only includes the 7 and up tiers; 300 per 6, 250 per 5, 200 per 4... you see where this goes? Going from level 3 to level 10 takes 5,650 gold medals, and again, at 4 each, is 1413 wins per rank 10. It's just such an overwhelming amount of PvP and the benefits are so few and far between... That's what people hate about the Great Hall; not THAT PvP is tied to PvE, it's that not participating in PvP at all, just makes your grind for PvE that much longer.
love the COLLABS
Thanks man! Glad you like it :)
Hopefully they will match up the Clans a lot better than they have in Reg CvC, seems as if my poor lil clan is always outmatched as in we have half as many Gold players as we have been up against. Another prob, my clan circumnavigates the world.half in europe and asia, the other half in USA and Canada not to mention 1 down under , organization may be a chore,due to the different times people log in.
Would love auto complete silver keys in DT once you down the boss the first time and I know this has been mentioned before but 1/2 tag team arena tokens but double the rewards or something. Maybe even autocomplete FW too.
I feel obligated to voice my experience with competitive play inside raid as a mid to late game ftp in an average clan. My clan often comes in 1st or 2nd in hydra clash and we win about half of CVC events though not as many pr CVC events. I don't understand why so many people complain that all new game mods are too hard or kraken fests. There is a very large player base that can be competitive in this content without paying a lot of money. Personally I'm hyped for this game mod.
then you have alot of free time on your hands... just sayin
my doubt is if it is possible to use multiple times the same champion, cause i remember from summoner wars is that each member of the clan can only use 30 uniques champions, you can use 1 v 4 to try to win but only 30 uniques champions at at "cvc" (siege) in this case
Live arena XD i always forget there's live arena in this game tbh. They really need to fix most of what's already out, before building new roof.
CvC Siege. CvC re-skin/rename 😮
I don't think match making has EVER been a Plarium priority so unfortunately nothing makes me think they miraculously got it right this time
Well in the last 4 CvC finally my clan face same level of rival. So I think they fixed the matchmaking there.
@@TequilaXD I would say 4 CvC is a very small sample size to claim matching improvements. How many CvC have you participated in since you started playing?
Dunno we don't have any crazy trunda teams and it does pretty good on the hydra clash matchmaking as we win some and lose some. Same goes with CvC.
They should add speed and crit rate to the Hall instead of a new whole Hall on top
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@@ASH-RAID thanks for all the progression tips my man
Once we do our first cvc siege,it won't be as complicated. Just assign players here and there and maintain it if it works. It will get easier and easier
Yay! Another game mode I won't even touch. This game takes way too much time already.
Real curious how quickly and easily that a clan can rebuild a completely destroyed layout, stronghold and all. Do you lose tower / stronghold levels when they are destroyed? Are they looted and pillaged by the conquerors? Also, what happens when your clan leader (and lieutenants) loses internet or gets real-life'd?
If they wanted to ease the clan drama coming the could make it so only the top 5 or 10 clan members can sign up. Or decide among the clan which are competing that way not all members have to participate if they didn't want to.
What if they tie in 3v3 to this? Players set up their 3v3 teams then leader and deputies can place them, and choose bonuses. Then atleast defense is set, even if they aren’t very active. Then you get 3 attacks, 1 per team, to use each week? I think that would be good for some sort of clan control.
They took my idea for using the resources to add buffs/handicaps haha
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To help even out a little bit the pay to win aspect it would be nice if some of the tower powers were team power limits like you ccs do in like your hydra clashes so that lower lvl people have a chance to use strats to beat people who just pour money in obviously won't make it even but might give free to play ppl at least a chance
That would assume Plarium gives a damn about F2P players. I'll let you in on a little secret... They couldn't give 2 shits about you if you are F2P.
I agree they don't but unless the spenders want to continue to move gear the would need to build new team needing more characters built and I would assume that there will be a scaling to clan vs each other so most ftp clans won't be versing kraken teams but may vs low spend teams and the need to build better low power teams may push some extra spending
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I just can't believe the top raid legend one person put ip 1.5 million clan points for cvc the teammates did a few 100 and we lost. Has a f2p account i put 289k points i have never seen someone put up so many cvc points in 4 years playing this game something is not right in that clan
Should have started this in a simplified version to start with instead you need a degree in raid ,great for saph but to much to start with
One of the problem of this new sistem is the game chat, is very limited, especially compared to games like clash of clans
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Interested to hear your view as always. keep up the good content
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It's been discussed for ever.
If us players still don't make any effort and approach biased, we are just ridiculous.
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It's Plarium. If it doesn't suck, that itself will be amazing.
Think they're gonna add champs that will be specialists to this new piece of content. The HP bomb debuff is an example of them adding champs that take advantage in the future
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Our clan just barely can hang onto shards until CvC, so I feel quite doubtful that a new challenge with intrinsic members' cooperation will be exciting. I mean, not really setting the world on fire in Total Battle, and Clan Wars seems to have the same order of operations.
I agree, less time to complete for greater rewards... we use the keys, energy or what ever it is, just once or make them instant complete. That's all!!!!
mythical bomb champion with hp and def base confirmed ?
literally 1 min in.....i am too excited about this!!!!!!
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This will be a whale feeding frenzy. If you think being seiged by some PTW noob while your silent clan is AFK all the time then this is for you. This will cause all kind of clan drama and just wait till clan descriptions require Seige expertise and participation.
I am concerned they are going to sell the new currencies for cash so a whale clan can have all the upgrades immediately
Maybe they will add new slots to the clan shop with a special currency and the new champion fragments will be one of the slots. We needs shards, books, awakening materials, etc I hate when they just keep adding new materials and gear sets when we don't get enough of the core resources.
Already hate pvp so combining that with what potentially looks like a huge daily time commitment thats tied to gukld progress scares me. If it comes down to me needing to put a ton of time into this or get kicked from my clan, I'll end up quitting. I already hate needing to do my hydra keys but since i get decent rewards and dont have a damage minum its fine.
Just stop playing, you won't regret it.
That HP bomb thing tells me they probably got AI to mix up a bunch of random shit
it's similar to summoners war siege battle im guessing . And it is offer's good reward the only downside i see is if you dont have a clan that is active you wont benefit from it having an active clan would help
My guess is that the rewards will be some kind of PvP sets and probably Primal Shards.
They overcooked at this one
and then some.. then some more.
As far as the bomb debuffs placed by HP or DEF champs. it may be worded for future champs.
50% more damage of bombs from Def and HP champs? Is that a teaser for HP or Def-based bombs?
we need quick battle for dungeons, no time for all these things
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Im already forced to do Hydra and with some nerfs backend, already doing it, as a chore. Live arena, total BS , log in when it is open, like I am scheduled around it? Sigh every add on slowly pushing me out.
It is SO much worse than people are willing to admit. Things like this hurts the clans, individual players and ESPECIALLY new players. This drives division. I don't understand why anyone would even start playing this game if your efforts are geared toward F2P. This game will soon consist of whales, krakens and OG's... and OG's will soon be removed from clans because they aren't spending. Small clans with small spenders and F2P players will dissolve. Medium clans with a few big spenders and many small spenders will dissolve and merge with clans with BIG spenders. After that, there will only be a few clans playing against a few other clans. If you are F2P (don't care HOW long you have played) you will not be able to compete. These are signs, folks. They are pushing overpriced trash. Companies do this as a last ditch effort to make as much money as they can before they sell out. I see the writing on the wall.
You said it, sad, our clan suffered and we are just playing, but anyone new wants to be super competitive because pushes like this, sad
Wallet v Wallet! (depending on how you have to acquire the resources).
Right?! lol
Just love the F2P strategy 😀
These are great collabs, but looking forward to a collab with chosen maybe? :D
chosen left the game dude
How big of a time crunch will this be?
too much
I think it will be good thing, we will have to see when it comes out.
This is like another version of Cuersed Sintranos City, except battling AI Bosses, playing against other clans with more RSS and better Champions. F2P versus P2W players, etc.. Lots of mechanics and strategies to work out. This can be costly for either way, time and money. Another black hole venue.
"it cant be wose"
*looks at hydra clash*
My clan is freaking the F out. We all spend way too much time on the game already and this is going to require even more! Heck I'm disabled and unable to work, and I already spend more then 12 hours on this game. This might make and many other players quit
Slayer accessories would be nice. to be honest, more chances to get protection and stoneskin accessories would also be enough for me.
Speaking for our small little clan… we have 3 people who actually chat. Plenty are active but no one ever talks. So I don’t see us being able to really coordinate things…
So the higher tier Hp & Def bomb champs are coming
Another feature for kill this game...raid is a job...cvc...hydra...tower...Cintranos...enough please...enough.
Community: Plarium plz, we need mechanics to reduce the time needed to daily the game! Plarium: We hear you, here is another game mode that will require even more time for you to spebd. Also: Member mobbing/pressuring in clans will pick up again, this time it will hurt the members that don't want to/can't spend more time on the game because many have spend years in theirs clans now contributing to it's level. Many will be forced to switch clans and possibly need to go to a lower level clan. This is so typically Plarium, everything in the game is set up to punish you if you don't play along nicely and even then, also expecting a new mode to be any kind of "fun" is a blod wish given the track record of Plarium. The Content Creators are the only winners here, they are rubbing their hands because content galore is about to be needed/produced/watched. My expectations are low and up to now Plarium always managed to not even meet them.
Way too complex for most players. Only hard core players will be interested in this.
I want see same level clan vs same level clan. Not level 7 clan vs Level 14 clan.
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It's a bit of a mess that part 2 hasn't dropped yet.
It’s not half as complicated as it looks.. I think everybody is overthinking it because there are so many options. Like all other games with many options.. The same ones will be used every time. The idea wants it to be different and complex but that never works in any game. There is always going to be the best option and everybody is going to use it. It’s going to come down to who spends the most money.. “cough” I meant who has the best champions…