Musicians Debate If These Iconic Songs Are Sampled Or Stolen! | React
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- We brought in musicians to debate whether these some were sampled or stolen! We have found the curt cases and settlements to all these songs but we want to see where musicians fell on the topic!
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Thinking out loud
• Ed Sheeran - Thinking ...
Let's Get it On (Live)
• Marvin Gaye - Let's Ge...
Gold Digger
• Kanye West - Gold Digg...
Bumpin Bus Stop (Thunder & Lightning)
• THUNDER & LIGHTNING - ...
Stay With Me
• Sam Smith - Stay With ...
I Won't Back Down
• The Rolling Stones - T...
Bitter Sweet Symphony (The Verve)
• The Verve - Bitter Swe...
Last Time (The Rolling Stones)
• The Rolling Stones - T...
Fight Test (The Flaming Lips)
• The Flaming Lips - Fig...
(Father and Sons) Cat Stevens
• Yusuf / Cat Stevens - ...
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Musicians Debate If These Iconic Songs Sampled Or Stolen! | React
0:00 Intro
0:24 Ed Sheeran vs. Marvin Gaye
2:45 The Verve vs. The Rolling Stones
5:08 Kanye West vs. Thunder & Lightning
7:28 Sam Smith vs. Tom Petty
9:44 The Flaming Lips vs. Cat Stevens
11:48 Robin Thicke vs. Marvin Gaye
13:54 Outro 
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“Point me in the direction of what those other songs sound like and I’ll be quiet.” He literally did that. Ed performed with his guitar, samples of over 100 songs with the same chord progression, in the court room and that is why the judge sided with him.
2:41 he literally did, with 101 songs he mentioned and even played some to prove it in court 😂, and that’s just scratching the surface
The Verve had permission and were legally robbed. As for Ed Sheeran, he was able to prove his point about common chord in court by playing the earlier songs.
I feel like the problem is as more and more years go by it has become nearly “impossible” to create entirely original music.
Lol. To Corey's counter argument, that's literally how Sheeran won his case was by playing 101 different songs in court with those same chord progressions. So i guess he has to be quiet now haha.
Yup he sure did. You can't patent a basic chord progression in music and say it's exclusively yours. That's not how it works.
I literally came here to say this.
He is just arrogant
Ok, that’s not what “sampled” means. Sampled means you use parts of another artist’s song, with their permission. Like how Eminem’s song “Stan” used the chorus from Dido’s “Thank You.” Dido was even in the music video so she obviously gave her permission. It should have been “Stolen or Coincidence.”
you're so right, thank you for your insight, I just might have to stay up all night, trying to fight this react plight, or just turn off the light and call it night night
Using the same chord progression is not sampling! Words have meaning! To hear other songs with those chords, look no further than every popular song you’ve ever heard.
Yes! I love the musical comedian that played over 20+ songs with the same chords for his pachelbel canon joke.
PSA: The Verve's Singer actually got the songwriting credits and royalties returned to him in 2019, so this video is not up to date.
like anyone knows that verage also threw shade at rolling stones over the years and still do
The React Channel also used the wrong version of the song. The sampled version of The Last Time was from the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra.
@hgodvilla00 I listened to the version you said and yeah that's definitely it. Like 100% the same instrumental as the verve's version. Idk why react didn't show that one instead
I hate the misuse of "sampled" here.
Absolutely! The only sampling in the whole video was Gold Digger.
Agree. It should have been “Inspired, “Sampled” or “Stolen”.
It's REACT, did we really expect better?
People go to trial over this stuff! Wording is super important!
Ok we get it, ur smart
Interesting idea for a video. Definitely feel like some people who had artists do a cover better than their original were upset and wanted to sue
I think a lot of the times, a chord progression suggests a certain melody. So it's easy to get the same thing without knowing the other person's work. It's also pretty impossible to remember every song you've ever heard or identify every bit of inspiration.
There was a song, that was literally about why all music is so similar (I think it was Axis of Awesome - Four Cord Song), it explained how almost all pop songs use the same 4 cord progressions, just at different octaves.
Just a came to say this and you are correct axis of awesome- four chord Song.
I don’t know if “sampled” is the right term since some of these were inspired by a song a sampling is something that can be done is songs where you literally play a part of the song.
But I’m a sucker for an alliterative title
stolen or similar could work
I'm totally for giving credit where credit is due, but it would be practically impossible to make a song now that doesn't in one way or another resemble a song that came before.
That's why you should ask permission to use it either way. To go anywhere to court system
@@user-xw9cz8fv3eBro so you're telling me if I made a song with the same damn chords just switched up i have to ask someone else for permission to usr those chords 😂 wow didn't know we were gatekeeping chords now
@@user-xw9cz8fv3e No one owns and should own a chord progression though...
As a musician I can tell you that this is not true lol
With Sheeren and Marvin Gaye song if you actually look at them they aren't even that similar progression wise - they just have a similar pacing
This doesn't really make sense. Should be "sampled," "stolen," or "just a coincidence"
simpled is how it works in music like ED said
@@NickyD "sampling" is an intentional use of part of a specific song where the source is usually credited and there's an agreement with the original artist. Sheeran didn't do that--that was the whole point. It was just a coincidence.
This was horrible. The choices should be stolen or coincidence. Not a single song is a sample
A sample is a specific thing. "Do you realize/you were a champion in their eyes" in Kanye's "Champion" is an actual sample from Steely Dan's "Kid Charlemagne."
pretty obvious some were samples Ed literally won in court only ovbious stolen one was sam smith
There’s no way Jagger and Richards should have any credit for Bittersweet Symphony. It’s not even a sample of the direct Stones song - it’s a potential sample of an orchestral cover of it and to take 100% royalties is just pure greed. At least the credits and royalties have gone back to the Verve in the last few years
Jagger and Richards didnt push to get the money, it was the crooked former manager (Allen Klein) that held the rights to the songs by bad business deal the Stones made.
actually, as of 2019, the verve got back the songwriting credits and royalty rights. would be nice if you could update everybody!
it’s also on the wikipedia page for the song.
There's actually a video of Ed Sheeran singing the songs with the same chord on Howard Stern or something, which is genius. Shut people right up
Also, 4 Chord Song by Axis of Awesome.
Although I like these sort of comparison videos, your insistence on sticking to “sampled” or “stolen” when the answer was quite often “neither” was very jarring.
if corey knew anything about the trial ed went through he would know that ed did infact show quite a few examples of other songs which when played on a guitar sound EXTREMELY similar the mr marvin gayes, some from before lets get it on some from after... its literally how he won the case LMAO
It's so hard to find musicians who aren't inspired by Marvin Gaye in the same genre of music. There's bound to be some similarities. These lawsuits were made by some people trying to make more money.
They need to show them the 4 cord song to show how similar songs are anyway.
Odd that you didn't use the most well known example of this, Vanilla Ice with "Ice Ice Baby" and Queen's "Under Pressure"
Thankfully Vanilla Ice cleared everything up and I could hear how they were two entirely different songs
But there was that one extra beat so it was totally written by Ice 🤣 I wonder if not owning up to the fact it was sampled gave the song more recognition than it might have otherwise.
The thing w Es Sheeran’s song was that he literally showed so many songs with the same chord progression during like an interview or smth abt it. U can’t plagiarize a chord progression😭
This! And if he had lost, it would've set a pretty bad precedent for future new songs...
Not even finished with the first round and I want to point out that "coincidence" should have been an option here.
Always amazes me how thorough Jillian's knowledge of the music industry is. Like now I want a music documentary narrated by her..
nothing was worse then ice ice baby and under pressure
Not a good execution of this concept. Many of these are neither sampled or stolen. It’s just common cord progression.
Agreed. If it's sampled without permission, then it's stolen. Otherwise, as you said, it's just common cord progression.
It's neither stolen or sampled if it's a coincidence and a legit original product. At some point it is harder and harder to not have the same 2 notes back to back.
It's not two notes. If you can't hear the similarity in "Blurred Lines" especially, I feel sorry for you.
No such thing is an original production, dummy. Everything is inspired from something else.
This was a really cool concept, good job! 😀
In my opinion and nothing more, some of these artists/labels realize they aren't getting paid from old music, so they target songs with vague similarities for a "quick" buck. Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams should've won against the Gaye family. The only similarity was a f*cking cowbell.
This happen all the times.. Their target is not only big names.. One that suffer the most is small names
@@alimyusmanto6677 What benefit would an established artist or label gain in going after a relatively-unknown artist? Up and coming, maybe.
@@TediTheGodfather some quick bucks.. Some of those labels are very greedy.. Some even sue small RUclipsr for smallest similarity then blackmail them if they want their youtube account back .. Big labels that are mainstream rarely do that.. But, established labels which popularity already decreasing do that for extra money.
Cool concept, but I think better research should have been done. And maybe have people on that have experience with making music.
It's a react channel. It's not a discuss panel. No research is needed for reaction. Come on now.
@@maplenerd22 don’t call it musicians debate then.
This was a really good one. It shine the light on a good topic about whats sampled and stolen
There's nothing wrong with being inspired , But you have to give credit where credit is due.
That's precisely what Ed Sheeran did in court... took his guitar into court and played many songs with the same chord progression...
Did that guy really just said he never heard the same 4 chord progression before...
In early 2019 the royalties and songwriting credits have been returned to Richard ashcroft of the verve
The issue with smith and Petty is.... that type of pause singing is universal and way before there time themselves.
So it can't be stolen since it's a type of singing (although small and niche).
Like literally the next song with Cat Stevens also does the pause singing...
Also surprised we haven't had Bruno Mars in here
Petty let Dani California slip by
@@boscotheman82Except he didn't. Rick Rubin was the one that produced Dani California & he also helmed Mary Janes last dance so there was no issue there.
Also "Mary Janes Last Dance" (1993) had an identical intro to The Doors "Waiting for the Sun" (1968)
A+ video!
Very helpful for understanding this phenomena!
give me a break Super BOT !
I think Marvin Gaye's family sues to much.
😂
Well he was killed by his own family members, I think it was his Dad
*too ( Nicki Minaj)
The 7.4 million settlement they got disagrees with you. 😘
In 2019 the Rolling Stones relinquished the rights to Bitter Sweet Symphony and returned royalties and rights to Richard Ashcroft.
Always have assing with the info around here.
would love to see more of this
YOU CANNOT OWN A CHORD!!!!!
Apparently Ed openly admitted the influential nature of Marvin Gaye's music, and that there was a chance he had it in the back of his mind, but being a consummate musician had his guitar in court was able to demonstrate loads of other cases where songs had a similar rhythm and chord progression to show there was no intentional use.
actually with what your talking about is that the idea of a song is about the song writing but technically it`s also not just about the song writing but also about the way that the song sounds and the way that the song is measured based on the beat with the right kind of instrumentation even i would know that too because i took music theory in high school
I believe that Tom Petty came out in Sam Smith's defense saying that the world had enough issues to be arguing about pop songs
Why didn't they put Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby? Lol
And Pearl Jam Given to Fly vs Led Zeppelin Going to California
You should of taken The Last Time by The Andrew Oldham Orchestra which they did a Tribute of the song of the same name of the Rolling Stones in 1965, that has way more elements that you find in the song BitterSweet Symphony by The Verves.
before watching: i would say, sample is saying u use a bit of the original music, alluding to it. etc.
As someone who is not a musician, I don't really know how you can prove that a song was stolen. I mean, there's only so many ways that music can sound like. Some songs are bound to be similar, right?
This is true. As someone who studied to be a choir director, we were taught that we’ve reached a point of music where songs are gonna sound similar since we’ve pretty much done a majority of music already. But some would argue that there is more to be done
more of this, please!
In a couple decades, it’s going to be nearly impossible to not sample.
Not + to + sample (Not to sample) because " to not sample'' is Grammatically incorrect !
12:47 the same could be said about “September” by Earth, Wind, and Fire as a sample. all three songs sound very similar and tiptoe on the lines of plagiarism
I don't think you know what the term "sampled" means. It has nothing to do with this video...
Dude.. ed sheeran song was no where close to the old one.. only the one beat is going on the similar rythem.. how many songs are with the same beat timing.. i dont know anything about the music. But you have to reach so much to hear a similarity there..
For the Ed Sheeran one I agree that those chords were used before Marvin Gaye and will be used after and we could point to many before him just because they weren’t as popular doesn’t mean anything.
In April of 2019 the stones gave back the royalties and songwriting credits to Richard Ashcroft.
Played music for 15 years... there's a dozen songs that uses same chord progression... Example
Pachebels Cannon
So I guess no more music can be made...
@ulivolga228...right? So, melodies and chords can't sound the same on different artists songs? I would be concerned about EXACT same melodies from 2 different artists and their words being the same, but melodies and chords are going to be duplicated. Some of these artists need to get over themselves.
I think these musicians are more vocalists, because they dont pay attention to the sounds under the vocals, but with the vocals they mostley have a clear view
@Official_REACT_ didnt mean no disrespect. I just noticed the reactions on beat/instrumentation sound and vocal lyrics/melodies of the cast was very different.
@@smashpakeryou're replying to a bot, they're not the official React channel
I’m getting so frustrated with this video 😂 So many times, “sampled” is not being used correctly and it’s making me crazy. lol Sample, interpolation, and stolen are all different things. And if they sampled without permission it would be stolen so it could be both. You can’t guess if it’s been sampled or stolen when it all comes down to whether or not the artist got permission/paid royalties.
A lot of songs also have the same basic chords that become the building blocks of the songs, but that doesn’t mean they’re stolen/sampled, interpolated or anything.
Thanks for the Soul Train clip. Sure brings back memories.
If you're in the music industry and your claim is "never heard of that massive tom petty hit before" you're a liar
good episode. I hope you get that ghostbusters in here to. That one I still don't hear it.
Can you even make a unique song now with all the songs being made every single day?
exactly
you can 100%.. but there's no guarantee that it is going to be good.. X) The reason you can't find uniqueness is because society has already set the standard of what is supposed to "sound good" which drives away anybody who is trying to be too creative..
@@jazRock13 Nah, just broaden your horizons, look to metal or reggae or jazz or even classical. People are always creating new music that in my opinion is different and sounds good.
@@O-D-X sure, that is true,, I agree.. I did not say that it can't be good, I said it is not guaranteed to be good.. :) I am guitarist and metal is my main genre of choice.. I am one of those who pursues dissonance in music :D and while I enjoy it, I would have to admit that it would not appeal to the majority of music listeners..
“As a songwriter and a singer as well I write with a lot of people
I bet you do -_-
can you write good poems ? 🙂
Ok seriously!!!!!!!???????
How can you not include the most BLATENT most INFAMOUS example!!!???
Queen's/David Bowie's Under Pressure vs Vanilla ice-skating ice ice baby. Hkw do you decide to do thus theme without thinking of that?
Juice WRLD vs Sting too
Yes, true!!
Permission was asked for, given, and credited on the album. The interview in which he claimed it sounded nothing alike was just a joke.
Have musician reactors reacted to the Axis of Awesome's Four Chord song? I'd really like to see what Jaxon would have to say about that.
You can make so many episodes on sample/stolen
I can't believe that they didn't include Ice ICe Baby and Under Pressure
Because that was so blatant there wasn't even a question.
Because Queen’s song goes, “ding ding ding ding-ding-ding ding” and Vanilla Ice’s song goes, “ding ding ding ding-ding-ding ding d” 😂😂😂 totally different, clearly just sampled lol
How about the Fogerty v Fogerty case?
Joe Satriani - "If I could fly" vs Coldplay - "Viva la vida" is another interesting one. Maybe for next type of this video.
There should be a third option because some of these are neither.
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no way sam smith had never heard of wont back down its one of the biggest artists ever biggest song
I was thinking the same thing. That song is huge.
Not going to lie, wasn't really feeling this video. Interesting concept, but I think the options were too forced. Sometimes music just sounds like other music.
the only one that i agree with is the last one. i’ve been saying forever that there are only so many chord progressions that you can do.
I love watching videos of guessing of songs are sampled on other creators pages, but there needs to be more work in this concept of you guys want to keep doing this. @roomieofficial does a lot of these concepts already and I like his stuff better, plus the verve song was more of the orchestra bit issue than the vocals. Maybe bring roomie official on to these episodes as he is in the music business and has experience in figuring out samples vs stolen.
Yeah, Joel, August and Jonas did that a lot of time and they did it so well. They're musicians, they study music and they have the knowledge to talk about it.
I'm not saying the people here aren't real musicians but obviously they don't know as much a Joel (which is normal). They don't give them real context for the songs, and choosing between sample of stolen is very wrong.
A lot of them aren't sample, like the Ed Sheeran one, where even the court said that it was not the same...
13:25 can’t tell exactly how she meant that, but people call themselves songwriters after just writing (often co writing) lyrics, that doesn’t make you a songwriter 😂
Now You Realise what LEVEL IS POETRY
uH TS makes all her own songs
@@NickyD TS is Taylor Swift I assume? Ok? But if she only writes the lyrics then no she doesn’t write songs 😂 that’s the point I’m making. Songwriting is writing lyrics, musical arrangement (on actual instruments ideally) and melody combined, if she does all that then fair enough
all of these are crazy reaches. ridiculous.
only if you are a tone deaf non musician...
Sorry but I don't think anyone in this video knows what sampling a song is 😅
Agreed. It's causing me a lot of mental frustration here. lol
And that includes the REACT staff.
If you guys do one of these again you should do Nirvana Come As You Are and Killing Joke's Eighties
You should do a which is better: original or cover version
They've already done an episode of Original vs Cover
@@theashenogre8948 they need another one
@@seansisco8062 Give them time and they likely will. They likely want to have a variety of different content to avoid oversaturation
almost every Drake song could’ve been featured 🤣🤣
Maybe Next show will be :
"Doctors React to surgeries shown in movies ..." with: Carolina, Jaxon , Izzy as Doctors ! 🙂 🤔🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Wish they had done Joe Satriani vs. Coldplay (If I Could Fly vs. Viva LA Vida)
Need a round 2
Cat Steven's father and son always makes me cry, every single time thay I listen to song....
So no Ice Ice Baby vs Under Pressure...
And don't think of doing Bootylicious, because Stevie is in that clip!
That is a case where everyone knew it was stolen and there wasn't even a question.
Gold digger is a I got a woman rip not Bumping Bus Stop haha. Probably why Kanye had Jamie sing on it as he played Ray.
Tom petty is iconic.... i wish theyd said borrowed the idea...thats more appopriate....imo.... i hate that phrase sampled it doesnt fit
Another one bites the dust vs good times, is another obvious one.
It will be cool if you put and compare the songs Hips don't lie and Amores como el nuestro in the next episode.
The Beach Boys "Surfin USA" vs Chuck Berry "Sweet Little Sixteen".
I don't think the options were the best here. Most of them were not even sampled when not stolen.
Would've been cool if y'all included the drama that surfaced from Doja Cat's live rock rendition of "Say So" and Plini's "Handmade Cities". These two worlds colliding was definitely something haha
You cannot go wrong with Marvin Gaye's music! So good! Let's Get It On is such a classic!
Wasn't aware of The Verve story...damn!
That's not technically sampling. You should have called this something like "Homage or Theft".
If you don't get permission to sample, it is theft anyway.